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[Flavor Leaf]

I actually really like CKD and Bub's interactions. Bub has been melding with me all game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao pairing up with Kitty a bit here, and calling out Andante as either scum or bad stands out. Notice how Andante was starting to call Hu Tao scum here.

This has been a pattern for Hu Tao this game. When someone hints at the possibility of them being scum, they starts going 'bad' 'terrible'. I've caught out scum before for the exact same kind of thing. It's Emotional Conditioning, a spray bottle to the bad cat.

And then, if someone is doing what they like, they double down, and pair up.

A wrong vote is not a bad vote. A wrong read is not a bad read. Wrong votes and reads can lead to trajectories that can be understood to help create genuine feeling and cases on people.

Softclaiming a vague power-role is absolutely the scummiest possible reaction to building pressure.

At this point I'm locked in on the CKD wagon.

Agreed. I think Glitch's reaction to it was VERY strange though. Do you agree? He quickly tried to town cast him and go after people on the wagon. While il not sure if that makes curious town or scum still I think Glitch's reaction was worse

What? That's def scummy. Either defending a scumbuddy or defending a townie for town points.

Finally someone who sees it

why the fuck are we still talking about the pr claim
JUST LET IT RESOLVE
like i don't understand why we are assigning the pr claim as any alignment really, because its practically doable for town or scum and regardless we want to avoid giving scum more information if possible

Chill out. I was clearly catching up

like, this was their 2nd to last post. so uhhh what did you learn from catching up? cause before this it's just random comments on posts.
I seriously feel like this is scum, and I'm pretty certain I'll be dead locked onto this thought.

cause sure "town falls behind too!!" there is NOTHING in this ISO that I feel like is lost town, this is 100% scum who didn't care too much since suspicion wasn't there, flying under the radar, will not commit to a read that isn't already said in thread, because they want to fly under the radar.

You're either scum or so bad. oh my god. All my posts were at the same time. I was catching up at once. I log in when I'm not working and read and reply to what I've missed. Not everyone can sit for an hour refreshing a mafia game.

VOTE: Glitch

I'd be shocked if this isn't mafia

[curiouskarmadog]

I actually really like CKD and Bub's interactions. Bub has been melding with me all game.

with each other? Not sure how you are reading us both town in that (two townies bumping heads?) especially yesterday.

...

at any rate, I need a couple questions answered atm, think I might have read a situation wrong or am completely missing a thing.

consider my vote ALSO on Kowah. reading that back and forth between Kowah and KT again, upped Kowah's scum factor in my eyes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Looks like Greeting was originally the scummy one and Glitch was the one I was scumreading later. So they aren't as scummy as I thought in one slot.

VOTE: Curious

My vote being here is who I'm most comfortable with for now

eh, scratch the Kitty-Hu Tao thing, I guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually really like CKD and Bub's interactions. Bub has been melding with me all game.

with each other? Not sure how you are reading us both town in that (two townies bumping heads?) especially yesterday.

...

at any rate, I need a couple questions answered atm, think I might have read a situation wrong or am completely missing a thing.

consider my vote ALSO on Kowah. reading that back and forth between Kowah and KT again, upped Kowah's scum factor in my eyes.

I just feel you guys are both coming from a town perspective. I don't agree with the read, but I can still town read you. I also could be the one currently with the wrong read on Kowah.

[Gimli]

more like hu town amirite

[Flavor Leaf]

more like hu town amirite

possibly, but probably not.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Pissant Posse (Gimli, Enchant, Hu Tao) is not clean however. I think probably exactly 1 scum in them. I currently think it's Hu Tao.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Let's check out this one. Things that stand out most are the 3 dueling wagons, obvi. Kitty is voting Enchant and while it's not uncommon for scum to sit away from the wagons, i feel they're sitting on a townie. 1 of the 3 dueling wagons is probably scum.

I town read Andante and NJAC, so what are the odds...it's Hu Tao there again. Thing that gives me pause is that the NJAC wagon looks pure, which would incriminate NJAC a bit, but I like NJAC for town more than GIF or Skygazer. I think Skygazer has townie reasons later as the game goes on wagonomically, such as the dueling wagons with Andante make me feel Skygamer is the fade scum wanted.

Kitty being outside the dueling wagons makes me feel there isn't more than 1 other scum off the dueling wagons.

Gimli/NJAC/Malcom Tucker include ZERO or ONE scum in them. Never 2, never 3.

Probably a scum on Hu Tao regardless of Hu Tao's alignment.

NJAC (5): Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer, Greeting, Skygazer, Andante
Hu Tao (4): Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralax
Andante (4): curiouskarmadog, Kowahbunga, Enchant, Hu Tao
Enchant (2): KittyTacky, Gimli
Greeting (1): NJAC


not voting (1): MalcolmTucker

Worth pointing out that NJAC was straight up lurking at that time. He feels super town now (largely because of him getting on the Kitty wagon early), but at the time it wasn't a super scummy thing to be jumping on the NJAC wagon just in the interest of getting him into the game.

[Greeting]

Greeting should HC his partner today

That’s a terrible idea.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Pissant Posse (Gimli, Enchant, Hu Tao) is not clean however. I think probably exactly 1 scum in them. I currently think it's Hu Tao.

I wanna change the name. I wanted some sting, cuz they need a little heat, but that’s too mean, and I mean it in purely gamestate duking it out.


Let’s call em Spicy But No Taste Wing Crew.

[Flavor Leaf]

Greeting should HC his partner today

That’s a terrible idea.

I’m kinda on Gimli’s side for this one.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Bub - I agree. We were trying to get past Day 1 because most of Day 1 was horrendous and slow until the Andante wagon. But it ended up being a good information filled day, and the Greeting claim probably got them protected.

However, it is weird Greeting made that comment, so I think them hardclaiming their partner is good because it’s possible they made that comment because they made the kill. I wanna give them the benefit of the doubt, though.

[Enchant]

What is HC?

[Enchant]

Ah hardclaim.

Oh well, i am against.

[Andante]

why would we want mason to hardclaim other mason? no thanks.

[Skygazer]

outting masons is bad ya

[Skygazer]

flavor being first on the kitty wagon is honestly the main thing keeping me from voting him tbh

[Skygazer]

"lets not push people to claim guys"

*pushes to out PRs*

[Skygazer]

thats my flavor impression

[Skygazer]

anyways until anything indicates otherwise i think we just treat greeting as always town

i think jailkeep is indicative of a save here and claiming mason + being announcing jailkept is such a weird scum play this early on, like that sort of fakeclaim would crumble so easily that if greeting is scum its bound to happen so why worry when its more likely greeting is just town

[Save The Dragons]

flavor being first on the kitty wagon is honestly the main thing keeping me from voting him tbh

i dunno if this is a great reason, being first on it could indicate he didn't know/think it was going through

[Skygazer]

i'm aware and i'm still weighing that

i'm also just trying to avoid a 1v1 with flavor bc i don't think i win that

[Skygazer]

Spoiler: D1 VCs

vote count 1.0 !

not voting (17):

curiouskarmadog, MalcolmTucker, Andante, Kowahbunga, Venmar, Cephrir,

Greeting

, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Skygazer,

KittyTacky

, Eiralox, Hu Tao, Save The Dragons, NJAC, Bub Bidderskins, Enchant

vote count 1.1 !

Hu Tao (2):

Eiralox, Bub Bidderskins

Enchant (1):

Skygazer

Andante (1):

Cephrir

Skygazer (1):

Enchant

Eiralox (1):

KittyTacky

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

Venmar (1):

curiouskarmadog

curiouskarmadog (1):

Kowahbunga

not voting (7):

MalcolmTucker, Andante,

Greeting

, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao, Save The Dragons

vote count 1.2 !

Hu Tao (2):

Eiralox, Bub Bidderskins

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

Enchant (1):

Skygazer

Andante (1):

Cephrir

Eiralox (1):

KittyTacky

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

Venmar (1):

curiouskarmadog

curiouskarmadog (1):

Hu Tao

not voting (7):

MalcolmTucker,

Greeting

, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Save The Dragons, Andante, Enchant

vote count 1.3 !

curiouskarmadog (5):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox,

KittyTacky

, Andante

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

Enchant (2):

Skygazer, Cephrir

Hu Tao (2):

Save The Dragons

Skygazer (1):

Greeting

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

not voting (5):

MalcolmTucker, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Enchant, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.4 !

curiouskarmadog (5):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

, Andante, Kowahbunga

Andante (4):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Cephrir

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Eiralox

Enchant (1):

Skygazer

Hu Tao (1):

Save The Dragons

Skygazer (1):

Greeting

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Enchant

vote count 1.5 !

curiouskarmadog (4):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

, Andante

Andante (4):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Cephrir

Greeting

(3):

NJAC, Eiralox, Kowahbunga

Enchant (1):

Greeting

Hu Tao (1):

Save The Dragons

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Enchant

vote count 1.6 !

curiouskarmadog (5):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

, Venmar, Andante

Andante (3):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf

Greeting

(3):

NJAC, Eiralox, Kowahbunga

Enchant (2):

Greeting

, Save The Dragons

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

Eiralox (1):

Cephrir

Hu Tao (1):

Enchant

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.7 !

curiouskarmadog (4):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

, Venmar

Andante (3):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, Cephrir, Eiralox

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

Hu Tao (2):

Enchant, Andante

Enchant (1):

Greeting

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.8 !

curiouskarmadog (3):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, Cephrir, Eiralox

Hu Tao (3):

Enchant, Andante, Venmar

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

NJAC (2):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Enchant (1):

Greeting

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.9 !

Hu Tao (4):

Enchant, Andante, Venmar, Save The Dragons

NJAC (4):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer, Kowahbunga,

Greeting

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir

curiouskarmadog (1):

Hu Tao

Skygazer (1):

Eiralox

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Bub Bidderskins

vote count 1.a !

NJAC (6):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer, Kowahbunga,

Greeting

, Andante, Hu Tao

Hu Tao (4):

Enchant, Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir

Skygazer (1):

Eiralox

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.b !

NJAC (5):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer, Kowahbunga,

Greeting

, Hu Tao

Hu Tao (5):

Enchant, Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox

Enchant (3):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir, Andante

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.c !

NJAC (5):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer,

Greeting

, Skygazer, Hu Tao

Hu Tao (5):

Enchant, Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir

Andante (2):

curiouskarmadog, Kowahbunga

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

GuyInFreezer (1):

Andante

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.d !

NJAC (5):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer,

Greeting

, Skygazer, Andante

Hu Tao (4):

Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox

Andante (4):

curiouskarmadog, Kowahbunga, Enchant, Hu Tao

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.e !

NJAC (5):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer,

Greeting

, Skygazer, Andante

Hu Tao (4):

Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox, Cephrir

Andante (3):

Kowahbunga, Enchant, Hu Tao

Cephrir (2):

NJAC, Venmar

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.f !

Hu Tao (4):

Save The Dragons, Eiralox, Cephrir, Andante

Andante (4):

Kowahbunga, Enchant, GuyInFreezer, Hu Tao

NJAC (3):

Flavor Leaf,

Greeting

, Skygazer

Cephrir (2):

NJAC, Venmar

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

curiouskarmadog (1):

Bub Bidderskins

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.g !

Andante (6):

Kowahbunga, Enchant, GuyInFreezer, Hu Tao, Flavor Leaf, NJAC

Hu Tao (4):

Save The Dragons, Eiralox, Cephrir, Bub Bidderskins

NJAC (2):

Greeting

, Skygazer

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Andante

Cephrir (1):

Venmar

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.h !

Andante (4):

Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Venmar

Skygazer (4):

Hu Tao, Save The Dragons, NJAC, Cephrir

Hu Tao (2):

Eiralox, Bub Bidderskins

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Andante

Cephrir (2):

Enchant, Skygazer

NJAC (1):

Greeting

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.i !

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Venmar, Enchant

Skygazer (5):

Save The Dragons, NJAC, Cephrir, Andante, Hu Tao

Hu Tao (2):

Eiralox, Bub Bidderskins

NJAC (2):

Greeting

, MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.k !

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Venmar, Enchant

Skygazer (5):

Save The Dragons, NJAC, Cephrir, Andante, Hu Tao

NJAC (2):

Greeting

, MalcolmTucker

Hu Tao (1):

Bub Bidderskins

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (2):

curiouskarmadog, Eiralox

vote count 1.l !

Skygazer (6):

Save The Dragons, NJAC, Cephrir, Hu Tao,

Greeting

, Andante

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Enchant

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

Enchant (1):

Flavor Leaf

Bub Bidderskins (1):

curiouskarmadog

not voting (1):

Eiralox

vote count 1.m !

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Flavor

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, NJAC,

Greeting

Eiralox (3):

Gimli, Enchant, Hu Tao Leaf, GuyInFreezer

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Bub Bidderskins (1):

curiouskarmadog

MalcolmTucker (1):

Andante

not voting (2):

Eiralox, Skygazer

vote count 1.n !

Andante (6):

Kowahbunga, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Flavor Leaf, Skygazer, Gimli

Skygazer (4):

Save The Dragons, NJAC,

Greeting

, Hu Tao

Eiralox (2):

Enchant, GuyInFreezer

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Bub Bidderskins (1):

curiouskarmadog

MalcolmTucker (1):

Andante

not voting (1):

Eiralox

vote count 1.o !

Andante (7):

Kowahbunga, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Flavor Leaf, Skygazer, NJAC, Gimli

Skygazer (5):

Save The Dragons,

Greeting

, Hu Tao,

KittyTacky

, curiouskarmadog

Eiralox (3):

Enchant, GuyInFreezer, Andante

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

not voting (1):

Eiralox

vote count 1.p !

KittyTacky

(9):

Flavor Leaf, Gimli, NJAC, Andante, Save The Dragons, curiouskarmadog, Bub Bidderskins, Hu Tao, Kowahbunga

Skygazer (3):

Greeting

,

KittyTacky

, Enchant

Andante (1):

Venmar

Eiralox (1):

GuyInFreezer

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

[Skygazer]

i know flavor is a very gambitty player and great at messing with associative as scum but its hard to see a world where he pivots onto a scumbuddy at the end of day where the wagon forming has been chaotic when he had at least one miselim that would be an easy push