NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

Nero Cain · Post Post #13 (isolation #0) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:28 am

vot:Boon

Nero Cain · Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:29 am

In post 20, davesaz wrote:Nero, if you're town please make it more obvious this game.

I'll be confirmed town when we lynch Boons.

Nero Cain · Post Post #24 (isolation #2) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:46 am

meh. What is your big hangup with him?

Nero Cain · Post Post #30 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:45 am

In post 26, Ricastle wrote:I don't like 11 or 15. 11 mainly because it goes hand-in-hand with his opener in reference to third parties, and 15 because he ignored Dave's suspicion on him and then gave him a townread.

It's not much, but hey. I'm bored.

I don't see much difference between your 8 and his 11.

Also I HIGHLY doubt that Dave's vote on GIB was legit suspicion and I actually find it odd that you felt it was.

Nero Cain · Post Post #31 (isolation #4) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:56 am

In post 27, elusive wrote:1. Favorite game of mafia you've played here or elsewhere and why?
2. What is your dream or ideal mafia role? Why?
3. Favorite season?
4. In an actual Apocalypse what is the first thing you would do?

1. tie between http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=41158 and http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19103
2. vig with heat seeking missles, I hate hate hate shooting folks and being wrong but I also want to shoot about half the players in any given game.
3. fall
4. finding a group of those I can trust

Nero Cain · Post Post #47 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:25 am

In post 32, Ricastle wrote:Calling someone's entry strange

ok, reading back I'll concede this point.

In post 34, Grib wrote:What's up, Nero?

hey bro

Nero Cain · Post Post #51 (isolation #6) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:41 am

My vote is serious.

Nero Cain · Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:42 am

Is Boon your scumbuddy or something?

Nero Cain · Post Post #55 (isolation #8) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:44 am

In post 52, Grib wrote:I don't believe you.

Nero Cain · Post Post #59 (isolation #9) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:55 am

In post 57, Grib wrote:Should I even ask why Boon is scum.

it says so in your pm

Nero Cain · Post Post #61 (isolation #10) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:02 am

against site rules. but prob not, no.

Nero Cain · Post Post #88 (isolation #11) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:59 pm

Why is boons not dead yet?

Castle's Grib vote isn't horrible but a Boon vote would be better.

In post 62, Grib wrote:How about your game!life instead.

*shrugz*

In post 74, PointYBagelS wrote:
In post 70, Grib wrote:I don't rolehunt.

Why do you feel the need to mention this? Creative didn't ask you if you were rolehunting, just how many power roles you'd generally expect to see in a large normal. This seems like an especially defensive answer to a relatively harmless question.

TBF, I actually disagree with you here. I mean in an 18 player game there's going to be like 4-5 scum but there's absolutely no way to tell how many scum prs there are unless town knew the set up.

Nero Cain · Post Post #90 (isolation #12) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:02 pm

The sooner Boons is dead the better.

Nero Cain · Post Post #92 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:08 pm

In post 91, elusive wrote:What is the difference between town Boon and scum Boon

one has a red pm and one has a green pm.

Nero Cain · Post Post #94 (isolation #14) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:40 pm

yes but lets stop the discussion about his meta stop here for now.

Nero Cain · Post Post #104 (isolation #15) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:40 pm

MORE BOONS VOTES!

Nero Cain · Post Post #107 (isolation #16) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:45 pm

Nero Cain · Post Post #109 (isolation #17) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:47 pm

Why are you so against a Boons lynch?

Nero Cain · Post Post #111 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:49 pm

Nero Cain · Post Post #126 (isolation #19) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:51 pm

Should we lynch Ric after Boons flips scum?

Nero Cain · Post Post #130 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:05 pm

I think my scum game is pretty fucking awesome, though I haven't won much.

Nero Cain · Post Post #132 (isolation #21) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:17 pm

In post 131, Ricastle wrote:Nero, why were you tunnelling Boon before he posted?

he has a red pm

Nero Cain · Post Post #134 (isolation #22) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:23 pm

Rubicon. Can I be in the town bloc with you and elusive, please? OH PRETTY PLEASE?! I'll even bring the snacks to the next meeting.

but where we differ in opinion is that I'd still lynch Ric.

Nero Cain · Post Post #140 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:36 pm

heh @ trying to write off a legit vote as a grudge.

Nero Cain · Post Post #143 (isolation #24) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:56 am

your scumbuddy

Nero Cain · Post Post #146 (isolation #25) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:09 am

I know what I'm doing, bae. Don't be the scums helpers this game plox.

Nero Cain · Post Post #148 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:12 am

No, I'm really not.

Nero Cain · Post Post #178 (isolation #27) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:00 am

GOOD GOOD

Nero Cain · Post Post #179 (isolation #28) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:14 am

So what happened (in that other game) is that Boons had claimed bulletproof. There was a conversation that "OMG he had to be scum b/c scum would claim bulletproofs" So yes, I agreed that its plausible that he was scum fakeclaiming bulletproof and/or legit bulletproof but didn't see the need to vote him that day and I had felt that there were scummier slots so we only needed to lynch Boon if we are having trouble finding scum. Wich, hey, is pretty fucking reasonable (and also the correct play b/c he wasn't scum) So anyways, Boon, in all his viness, took offense to this 'cause I guess he felt that I was scum and was trying to bus all my buddies ('cause I wanted to hunt outside of Boon) and leave him as a mislynch (after I leave a trail of dead buddies) or something equally retarded. So anyways, we get to lylo and HE votes me right of the fucking bat, so yeah, I voted Boon so TSO had a choice of who he wanted to mislynch. 'cause I mean, it didn't really matter. So I feel like he is slightly twisting the narrative there. Which is actually kinda a red flag, like saying that I misread him and 'caused town to not win seems a bit discredity.

I wouldn't say that I'm really salty about it. I think his play was p poor and I'm not just saying that 'cause he tunneled on me but like his whole "I'm a vi, I do stupid things, hehe I'm trying to be cute and fluffy." I just feel like its a very annoying playstyle and I want nothing to do with him. I had actually replaced out of a game (or not joined it) b/c Boons was on the playlist. So yeah, I fully expect scum to go "oh look, Nero is voting Boons b/c he doesn't like him!" And, I won't lie, that is partly true.

So I figured why not start a wagon on Boons and see how he (and others) react and get the ball rolling and in the worse case scenario we lynch a p awesomely bad player...which actually seems like a good thing.

Seems high reward; low risk to me.

In post 170, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 163, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 140, Nero Cain wrote:heh @ trying to write off a legit vote as a grudge.

He's basically trying to policy lynch me. LLL. He voted me before I even did anything.

sure there may be some grudge to it, but actually I do not like your response so far...
then again people do not always act in ways that make sense
.

In post 175, Rubicon wrote:but so far your reaction has been pretty underwhelming and a little ick. You're not just saying "lol rvs wagon," you're actually trying to doubtcast Nero over it which is strange.

I am in p much 100% agreement with these posts. I would think that if Boons were town he'd be all over me but then again we have the bolded that PB brought up.

Nero Cain · Post Post #181 (isolation #29) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:20 am

I am nowhere near Mastin level of wallness.

Nero Cain · Post Post #186 (isolation #30) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:29 am

In post 182, Rubicon wrote:What I'm getting out of this is that Boons is sort of right about your motives. Hm.

*shrugz* I think there's a fine line. Yes I'd like to see him dead sooner rather than later based on who he is alone but I also think that getting him sorted and getting the ball rolling this early is important.

Garmr, what do you think of Boons reactions?

Nero Cain · Post Post #187 (isolation #31) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:31 am

I think the fact that he p much ignored everything and kinda just shrugged at the wagon on him actually points to him being scum though.

Nero Cain · Post Post #192 (isolation #32) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:48 am

Him being wagoned has nothing to do with with his ability to not comment on anything in thread. Though I'll comment more on this after Boon posts.

Nero Cain · Post Post #199 (isolation #33) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:41 am

Castle, you think that Grib is scummy b/c he's not being as defensive as he usually is, right?

Nero Cain · Post Post #201 (isolation #34) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:46 am

In post 177, jbomber732 wrote:there's got to be some mafia members in the vote right now.

If you think there's mafia on the Boon bandwagon who are they and why are you not voting them?

Nero Cain · Post Post #213 (isolation #35) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:20 am

*rubs Rubicon's belly*

Nero Cain · Post Post #217 (isolation #36) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:22 am

In post 214, Grib wrote:That was surprisingly creepy.

Nero Cain · Post Post #219 (isolation #37) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:22 am

Nero Cain · Post Post #320 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:37 am

In post 254, Creative wrote:
In post 253, Garmr wrote:any town block with grib in it is a bad townblock that needs dismantling.

Town block = Town circle?

yes

In post 259, elusive wrote:I want to see something other then Boon from you.

yeah, that's what I'm doing; talking about nothing but Boon.

In post 261, Errantparabola wrote:Anyone who's played firsthand with Nero?

I've played with a good chunk of this playerlist including Ellusive so I'm not sure why she'd say she hasn't.

In post 252, Creative wrote:Boonskies reacted very poorly to the RVS thingy

THANK YOU!

In post 252, Creative wrote:the wierd thing is that no one tried to defend him

but this part is untrue. All of Grib, Elusive, ricastle, garmr, meglo and kbomber sorta defended him in one way or the other.

Nero Cain · Post Post #321 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:42 am

Anyways, gut says scum are in

Klingoncelt
Kitz
jbomber732
bewilderbeast
Garmr
Megalo
Skold
Ricastle
Boonskiies

Nero Cain · Post Post #323 (isolation #40) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:45 am

So you think he's scummy, what exactly makes you think not team scum?

Nero Cain · Post Post #327 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:00 am

In post 325, Ricastle wrote:It would make more sense that he slipped through them if he was an SK

he could do that as mafia as well.

Either help me lynch Boon or eat rope.

Nero Cain · Post Post #330 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:04 am

skold thinks that scum me would push a Boons lynch like that and dry THAT much attention to myself? sod off mate.

Nero Cain · Post Post #336 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:15 am

In post 333, Ricastle wrote:Maybe later, bro. Get him to L-3 at least.

Why are you ok with a Boon lynch now when you weren't earlier?

Nero Cain · Post Post #337 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:17 am

In post 335, elusive wrote:Nero Cain, I guess I don't remember a finished game with you? Maybe you were an alt? I only count completed games in terms of knowing people and some people it takes more then one to actually get a sense of playstyle.

It was the mafiacraft game that you replaced out of in wich I lynched the sk d1 and scum killed me night 2 b/c I was onto them.

Nero Cain · Post Post #344 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:40 am

In post 338, elusive wrote:and you try to use out of game reasons for why you thought he was scummy

Except I'm not?

Nero Cain · Post Post #346 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:42 am

I am 100% sure.

Nero Cain · Post Post #349 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:46 am

In hindsight I shouldn't have even mentioned our history but the reason that I am leaning scum on Boons has nothing to do with any out of game reasoning.

Nero Cain · Post Post #352 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:48 am

In post 350, jbomber732 wrote:Sorry that I'm not very active, but I'm a busy person and I haven't had a ton of time. That will change soon, hopefully. But anyway, what Skold said in post 328 is EXACTLY what I've been thinking. So, that's where I'm going.

VOTE: Nero

If you were thinking that, why did you not say anything?

Nero Cain · Post Post #361 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:01 am

In post 354, Skold wrote:Nero can you explain the IN-GAME reasoning then?

wait for it.

Also your your thinking that me wanting boons out of the game b/c I dislike him makes me scum is all kinds of cray crayness.

In post 353, jbomber732 wrote:With everyone following you and nobody suspecting you, it didn't seem like a good idea to throw out a random vote that would cause more trouble for me and ultimately do nothing. But seeing that there's support, I went ahead and did it.

So....you just wanted to blend in. That doesn't really make me feel better about you.

But then again, would you, as scum, admit to trying to blend in?

Nero Cain · Post Post #374 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:43 am

In post 363, jbomber732 wrote:is that I always say what I actually am thinking/doing. Many times it's going to be scummy or suspicious, but I always admit it because as town I try to be transparent.

no, that's good. Town SHOULD say what is on their mind but the problem is there's a cong dis between "I always say whats on my mind" and "well I didn't say what was on my mind b/c it would cause trouble for me."

Nero Cain · Post Post #376 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:50 am

In post 375, Skold wrote:Town should always without exception give their true thoughts on stuff. Anything else fucks with reads and fucks with game.

So what do you think of bomber NOT saying what was on his mind?

Nero Cain · Post Post #399 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:43 am

I've already explained my go at Boons.

In post 179, Nero Cain wrote:So I figured why not start a wagon on Boons and see how he (and others) react and get the ball rolling

Nero Cain · Post Post #400 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:45 am

3p is third party.

Are you an alt creative?

Nero Cain · Post Post #402 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:01 am

Can you remind me f your case on Grib?

Nero Cain · Post Post #407 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:38 am

In post 404, Ricastle wrote:Ah, forgot to link the posts. Sorry. 15 117 123 150 154 196 317 369

15 and 369 Are the only kind of scummy points there I think but the rest are p meh me thinks.

Th scummist thing that I read in those posts was actually Garmr's accusation that he's "trying to hard to look town"

Nero Cain · Post Post #411 (isolation #56) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:55 am

I like the Boon wagon. Might need to consolidate later but for now my vote rests here.

Nero Cain · Post Post #416 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:51 pm

I wonder how worried I should be that beast is posting elsewhere but not here.

Nero Cain · Post Post #449 (isolation #58) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:41 am

In post 448, PointYBagelS wrote:Skold I don't know if it's just your writing style, but I'm having a lot of trouble making sense of anything you post.

Does anyone really understand the scots?

Nero Cain · Post Post #454 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:23 am

In post 450, Skold wrote:I like you Mr. Jesus. You're funny.

^

Nero Cain · Post Post #473 (isolation #60) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:04 am

vote:Garmer

Nero Cain · Post Post #475 (isolation #61) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:13 am

ok, why is Boons town?

Nero Cain · Post Post #479 (isolation #62) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:17 am

Do yo not like Dancing Jesus?

Nero Cain · Post Post #481 (isolation #63) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:21 am

get a better internet

Nero Cain · Post Post #482 (isolation #64) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:28 am

Skold, go to User Control panel>>>Board Preferences. There a "disable flash animations" try that. or toggle display avatars.

Nero Cain · Post Post #491 (isolation #65) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:45 pm

TBF, killing in mafia is pretty fun.

Nero Cain · Post Post #500 (isolation #66) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:41 pm

vote:Boon

Nero Cain · Post Post #582 (isolation #67) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:40 pm

vote:Jbomber

Nero Cain · Post Post #587 (isolation #68) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:09 pm

In post 586, Garmr wrote:@note to self I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon.

Why do you think jbomber is getting wagoned? Do you think this is valid reasoning? If not, Why did you say "I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon."?

Nero Cain · Post Post #591 (isolation #69) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:40 pm

^
Hates you for stealing that from me. Also feels kinda strange that Garmr has him as a scumread but is dismissive of the wagon.

Nero Cain · Post Post #593 (isolation #70) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:54 pm

ok

In post 592, Garmr wrote:formulating a opinion after being questioned on it

What made you lean scum on him?

Nero Cain · Post Post #598 (isolation #71) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:09 pm

So he replaces out, people are upset and the wagon continues on him. You then light push against his wagon and when questioned about it you are all like "yeah his replace out was scummy".

If you feel like his replace out is scummy why were you questioning the wagon?

Also I feel like you pushing on Elusive means shit all.

Nero Cain · Post Post #601 (isolation #72) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:11 pm

A boon/garmer/jbomber/??? scum team would be p funny

Nero Cain · Post Post #605 (isolation #73) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 603, Garmr wrote:@nero go fuck yourself and your elitist attitude

I think its a slight cong dis to disagree with the wagon, then call him scummy and when pressed on it your reasoning was something that you know people were already talking about and I'm asking about it and you blow up and overreact.

Also, I wholeheartedly agree with 604.

Nero Cain · Post Post #609 (isolation #74) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:46 pm

no hammer yet

Nero Cain · Post Post #613 (isolation #75) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:59 pm

meglo flaked out another game I am in so prob just needs a replace

Nero Cain · Post Post #639 (isolation #76) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:40 am

In post 628, Boonskiies wrote:What I feel what has not been said is I was actually the one who got lynched in that game, technically meaning Nero fucked up. Not I.

Yeah ok, if you want to say that to make yourself feel better than go for it it but considering that

YOU

voted me right off the bat and wouldn't change your vote you'd have a hard time finding anyone that didn't think you fucked up.

Nero Cain · Post Post #648 (isolation #77) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:57 am

In post 613, Nero Cain wrote:meglo flaked out another game I am in so prob just needs a replace

Nero Cain · Post Post #716 (isolation #78) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:17 am

In post 713, PeaceBringer wrote:yawn...

I have a few things I want to comment on but that'll have to wait until I get back.

Nero Cain · Post Post #717 (isolation #79) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:17 am

In post 715, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 710, Boonskiies wrote:I should probably go V/LA. I'm in dress rehearsal for my show, opening this weekend, and after we open, it should be much easier. I'm going to V/LA until 4/17. My hectic life will be becoming less hectic soon.

Mind taking your vote off me first?

Why?

Nero Cain · Post Post #719 (isolation #80) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:32 am

women and their fashion...

Nero Cain · Post Post #725 (isolation #81) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:03 pm

kill:Vamirate

Nero Cain · Post Post #743 (isolation #82) » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:53 pm

tbf, Vamp can't defend against what jbomb did. All vamp can do is scumhunt (if town) and try to get some town cred for the slot and then MAYBE (just maybe) I'll go back to lynching someone else I want dead.

Nero Cain · Post Post #760 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:11 am

In post 753, Xayzeck wrote:I'll just ISO Garmr for now though

In post 321, Nero Cain wrote:Anyways, gut says scum are in

Klingoncelt
Kitz
jbomber732
bewilderbeast
Garmr
Megalo
Skold
Ricastle
Boonskiies

Still feel moderately good about this thought I'm kind of rethinking skold and Ric but I deff do want a dead jbomber slot, Garmr, Zay and Boon.

Nero Cain · Post Post #767 (isolation #84) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:06 pm

You guys are putting way to much thought into this town bloc jazz.

peace, please be town.

Nero Cain · Post Post #792 (isolation #85) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:16 pm

In post 782, House wrote:
In post 781, Grib wrote:Hi House!

Hello Vonster.

hi scum.

Nero Cain · Post Post #793 (isolation #86) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:23 pm

In post 775, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 767, Nero Cain wrote:You guys are putting way to much thought into this town bloc jazz.

peace, please be town.

no worries

good thing you'd never lie to me, right?

I'm just a tad bit paranoid b/c when I was pushing Boons you were saying things I liked and was afraid that you were scum trying to butter me up.

Nero Cain · Post Post #797 (isolation #87) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:43 pm

In post 795, House wrote:
In post 792, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 782, House wrote:
In post 781, Grib wrote:Hi House!

Hello Vonster.

hi scum.

G'head and wagon me. I'll be just as impressed as Boonskiies was.

Why? Does Xay have a better role than you do?

Nero Cain · Post Post #879 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:30 am

In post 872, Bellaphant wrote:@nero, 321 is a LOT of scum-reads. Apart from the mostly in actives, can you talk to me about klingoncelt?

yea, atleast 5 of them are just bad town. At the point that I wrote that I didn't feel very cofident that scum were in Errantparabola, Rubicon, PointYBagelS, elusive, Grib, davesaz, Creative or PeaceBringer so its p much POE and I know its a big list but if I am correct that all the aforementioned names are town then putting town in a 50/50 is a p good start me thinks.

Klingoncelt

-I am pretty meh here.

Kitz

-hasn't really done anything

jbomber732/Vampirate

-I think that contradiction between "as town, I always say whats on my mind." and "well I didn't say it this time b/c it would make me look scummy." is p awful. House IS correct that town are (though I think its poor town play) survivalistic but in this case I think if his self meta is "I am not survivalistic and always say what is on my mind" it is p damning that he wasn't playing to his self meta. Its also hard to NOT read into that replace out.

bewilderbeast/Bellaphan

t-beast was hitting on one of my fave scumtells and posting it up elsewhere

Garmr/Xayzeck

-

In post 598, Nero Cain wrote:So he replaces out, people are upset and the wagon continues on him. You then light push against his wagon and when questioned about it you are all like "yeah his replace out was scummy".

If you feel like his replace out is scummy why were you questioning the wagon?

Also I feel like you pushing on Elusive means shit all.

In post 603, Garmr wrote:@nero go fuck yourself and your elitist attitude

Not a big fan of this overreaction + Zay asking to be caught up so he doesn't have to read 30 pages is p meh.

Megalo/House

-light defends Boons. Would policy lynch House based on artifically inflating his post count. His trying to get votes off jbomb feels weird to me.

Skold

-chainsaw defends buddy Boon?

Ricastle

-sk hunting as scum is a possibility.

Boonskiies

-Don't really like his reactions to getting wagoned.

Who are your scumreads and why?

Nero Cain · Post Post #892 (isolation #89) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:06 pm

In post 880, House wrote:Where did I defend Boonskiies?

not you specifically but your slot did. Calling what I'm doing "really stupid" seems like a light defense on Boon.

In post 888, Klingoncelt wrote:As Town he's a dick. As Scum, he's nicer.

I kinda agree with this though in the game that we played where he was scum (3rd party) he sorta abused his "I'm a dick as town" meta.

Nero Cain · Post Post #908 (isolation #90) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:11 am

Bagels (that's what we are going to use this game) what do you think about lynching the garmer/zay slot?

Also, it very likely means nothing but all our replacements have been the 10, 11, 12 and 13th slot.

Nero Cain · Post Post #911 (isolation #91) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:18 am

Mod, did jbomber ask to be replaced?

Nero Cain · Post Post #918 (isolation #92) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:25 am

lol, not really. The game was pretty much stalled b/c of the inactives and they were kinda who folks wanted dead. House literally had to post and try and get some town cred for his slot. I'm not a huge fan of you sating that he "breathed life back into this game" when he really didn't.

I am not super sold on skold. I guess its possible that he chainsaw attacks me and then does this weird switch to Boon after calling the wagon shit. but he's a vamp counter wagon and that makes me feel not real happy.

I still don't think its impossible that jbomb contradicts himself like that.

I also really like the idea of lynching Garmr/Xay slot.

Nero Cain · Post Post #924 (isolation #93) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:02 am

In post 919, Klingoncelt wrote:I'd be more comfortable lynching him than Skold or Vampirate, but I don't think that can happen in a day.

I didn't realize there was a day and a few hours left till deadline. Theoretically, a wagon can happen in a day but Xay is a chronic lurker and getting folks to wagon a lurker prob won't happen. Still like a vamp lynch over a skold but meh.

Nero Cain · Post Post #925 (isolation #94) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:05 am

if skold flips scum, does this say anything about Boon?

Nero Cain · Post Post #934 (isolation #95) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:15 pm

lol @ House calling Boon scum.

Nero Cain · Post Post #953 (isolation #96) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:05 am

Actually, I wasn't. I wasn't scumreading you until your OMGUSy attack for shit reasons. Again, my lylo vote had nothing to do with you. You were voting me, TSO would have hammered me. Hence my vote didn't matter and THAT is why I voted you. I actully think its a lil' bit scummy that you are trying to spin a false narrative and effectively try to discredit me. Your reactions are so much more muted to me then they have been in the past so you are prob scum.

Even if you are town and just playing poorly like usual, don't put too much stock into what House is saying. I wouldn't be that surprised if he was scum.

Nero Cain · Post Post #955 (isolation #97) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:10 am

meh, I don't really care who gets lynch. Skold's last post is him giving up and sure I could see that from scum *shrugz*

vote:Zay

gonna ride this till I need to switch

Nero Cain · Post Post #990 (isolation #98) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:26 pm

In post 967, House wrote:Xayzeck is the easy counterwagon to a scum lynch.

Yeah, Zay is going to be lurky but him being a chronic lurker=//=not scum. Skold is also a counterwagon to vamp.

In post 970, House wrote:I'm having doubts about Nero (have you noticed how many people he has accused of being scum simply for disagreeing with his derptunnel?)

Who exactly have I called scum for not agreeing with me?

Its also alarming to me that like, my reaction test on Boon (who by the way is avoiding doing anything) was a BIG part of the game today. Like the entire reasons for Skold and jbomb/vamp and garmr/Xay being scumread by not just me but most of the game is b/c their reactions and actions to the Boon wagon. Its feels a little off to me that you are just NOW discussing it.

Nero Cain · Post Post #992 (isolation #99) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:34 pm

You went 40+ posts NOT talking about how bad my "derptunnel" on Boon was

AND THEN

you have me as a town read

In post 818, House wrote:

Not Gonna Lynch
:
House
elusive
Grib
Ricastle

Nero Cain

Errantparabola
Vampirate
Rubicon (following the reads of my townreads on this one)

And now, all the sudden my Boon push is bad?

yeah, this gets death at some point.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:41 pm

In post 985, House wrote:That doesn't change the fact that he maintains conviction in his "reads" as scum, which you are using to townread him.

But you are scumreading me for doing so. So...

I think a no lynch is out of the question today.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:42 pm

Ignore House Grib, just read my 992 and it should tell you that he is scum.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:59 pm

In post 997, elusive wrote:I'm always a minority on no lynch and then someone flips town and I hate it so much.

It's between Skold and Vampirate based on the last VC? Ugh

That's b/c no lynch rarely is a good idea. I mean, if we no lynched Xay/Vamp/skold are just going to be suspects again and we will literally be in the same position tomorrow with one less town member. I'm not exactly to the point where I want to lynch willy nilly and hope it flips scum (like most players) but I am starting to come around to the idea that its ok to lynch a really really scummy player that is a distraction.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:22 pm

Can you explain how you went from town reading me to scum reading me?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:31 pm

Don't need to, I can post it.

In post 970, House wrote:
In post 969, Grib wrote:House, is the Xayzeck wagon scum!driven? Because so far the only non-townread of mine on it is Peace.

I'm having doubts about Nero (have you noticed how many people he has accused of being scum simply for disagreeing with his derptunnel?), and I need to look into PointyBagelS ISO.

So you get asked about your scumreads pushing the Xay wagon and I'm there.

Also your whole implying that Grib shouldn't town read me.

You don't have a scumread on me. HAH

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:33 pm

In post 1002, House wrote:Well gee, let's reflect on your post history, shall we?

Spoiler: Grib

Spoiler: Ricastle

Spoiler: Skold

Spoiler: Megalo/Me In post 53, Nero Cain wrote:Is Boon your scumbuddy or something?In post 54, Grib wrote:That would be impossible.In post 55, Nero Cain wrote:In post 52, Grib wrote:I don't believe you.In post 59, Nero Cain wrote:In post 57, Grib wrote:Should I even ask why Boon is scum.it says so in your pmSpoiler: Ricastle In post 142, Ricastle wrote:Hi there. Mind explaining what Nero has actually got?In post 143, Nero Cain wrote:your scumbuddyIn post 327, Nero Cain wrote:In post 325, Ricastle wrote:It would make more sense that he slipped through them if he was an SKhe could do that as mafia as well.Either help me lynch Boon or eat rope.Spoiler: Skold In post 879, Nero Cain wrote:Skold-chainsaw defends buddy Boon?Spoiler: Megalo/Me

IF

Boons is scum, why do you not think its valid to look at who is soft defending him?

What do you think of Boon sitting there and doing nothing?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:23 pm

So you knew I was tunneling Boon, and town read me, and then started scumreading me for it?

heh, I'm 10 times the player you are, House. But also if I really really thought Ric and Grib were somehow super scummy I would have been voting them.

In post 126, Nero Cain wrote:Should we lynch Ric after Boons flips scum?

^^^
I also specifically said that I wasn't going to lynch him until AFTER Boons flips scum.

In post 879, Nero Cain wrote:Skold-chainsaw defends buddy Boon?

This is clearly a question as denoted by the question mark. I am completely indifferent to Skold. I remember liking his navigation during the initial push but his last post is kinda icky. But also for someone that is scumreading Skold it seems off that you'd feel like my scumreading of him is scummy for me. Seems like you are getting ready for his town flip. If you think he's scum you'd have to believe that all his posts are from a scum mindset and thus, that he either defended Boon for town cred or as Boons buddy.

As far as you go, its more a foot note than anything. Your slot light defended Boons, its a fact and thus I am stating it as such. What I specifically dislike is your inflating your post count and trying to get votes off jbomb.

I think there's a massive cong dis in you calling jbomb town b/c he'd be more careful to not slip and draw attention to himself but that I, as scum, would push Boon and draw a ton of attention to myself.

So yeah, still town and most of the thread has figured that out but nice try in trying to get folks suspicious of me.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:52 pm

[House]OH WTF! YOU CAN'T SCUMREAD SKOLD FOR DEFENDING ANYONE!!![/House]

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:33 pm

In post 1016, House wrote:Nah, I think megalo just thought you were being stupid. If he did, I'm in agreement with him.

What is stupid about trying to get Boons sorted?

In post 1016, House wrote:I've already showed how you don't shy away from the limelight to sell a mislynch as scum.

How do you know that Boon is a mislynch?

I asked before, and you ignored me, but what is your take on Boon doing nothing?

In post 1019, House wrote:You trying to push this as town behavior from you is what made you a solid scum read.

Ah, so I am a solid scum read. 2 questions.

Why did you call me a null read in 1007 if you had a scum read on me?

Why, if you were scumreading me, did you act like you weren't scumreading me in 1004?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:37 pm

In post 1028, Errantparabola wrote:cognitive dissonance

^

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:45 pm

Klingoncelt
Kitz
jbomber732/Vampirate
bewilderbeast/Bellaphant
Garmr/Xayzeck
Megalo/House
Boonskiies
Skold

Wich is way to many but that's where I'm at so far.

Hey Rub, why are you being less active this game?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:00 pm

reasons

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:03 pm

your scum reads, wich i guess are the unstriked out.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:12 pm

Hey watch this

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:25 pm

In post 1020, House wrote:
In post 1019, House wrote:
In post 1011, Nero Cain wrote:
I think there's a massive cong dis in you calling jbomb town b/c he'd be more careful to not slip and draw attention to himself but that
I, as scum, would push Boon and draw a ton of attention to myself.

You trying to push this as town behavior from you is what made you a solid scum read.

The fact that you not only push mislynches in a highly visible manner as scum but also lean on that push as an appeal for towncred belies your true nature, and you're trying to sell the poor image of scum doing so to keep town from suspecting you.

Those who think that scum maintains a low profile and doesn't push hard as scum to sell mislynches, I urge you to read You Could Be Anyone II.

In post 1043, House wrote:You were a solid scumread as of the post I stated that you were a solid scumread

In post 330, Nero Cain wrote:skold thinks that scum me would push a Boons lynch like that and dry THAT much attention to myself? sod off mate.

FUCKING BAM!

I am using the VERY SAME LOGIC to defend myself from Skold that you are "supposedly" scumreading me for 700 posts later. My problem is that you are CLAIMING to have ISO'd me and therefore have read this post. So if what you are claiming is a scumtell in 1011, why was that not a scumtell in 330?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:46 pm

In post 1043, House wrote:Nothing, but you haven't done anything of the sort. You've been wanting to lynch him since before he even posted & scumread anybody that disagreed with you

For a guy crying about misrepping you sure do a good job of it.

How the hell do you do a reaction wagon without pretending to to want the guy lynched?

Yes, I think the guy is scummy b/c his reaction was really muted and he's not doing anything and maybe you are right that this is just "normal Boons" but lets just pretend that you are town, at what point are you going to say "enough is enough"?

Also a look at my last two games with Boons shows him doing things on d1.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:54 pm

In post 1053, House wrote:I hadn't reread YCBA II when I first caught up, which is why 330 didn't jump out at me.

This sounds like you just trying to drag up thinks to get town to be paranoid of me. Town me also used the same logic in World of Mafiacraft so good job cherry picking, scum.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:01 pm

In post 1060, House wrote:You should lynch me
before Vampirate
.

I agree with this 100%.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:05 pm

Why would you even say that? Why would town you be ok with getting lynched?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:35 pm

In post 1056, House wrote:Pushing a lurker with the shady b/s you've been using is far scummier than waiting for a game day or two to get invested in the game.

It depends on the player, but at times scum often have no reaction/muted reactions to votes/wagons. Why does Boon need time to get invested? I don't think being suspicious of a slot for doing nothing and just kinda shrugging at the wagon is the cray cray logic that you think it is. Or is this a repeat of Mafiacraft where you defended lurkerscum Eye?

But also, why should I, as town, not voice my suspicions of the Boon slot?

In post 1059, House wrote:You simply can't hide from the fact that you make a huge fucking scene as scum to sell mislynches, yet here you are trying to discredit the notion that you could be scum "drawing so much attention to yourself".

Anyone is going to draw alot of attention if they help a mislynch. But ok, lets talk about Jason's game. It wasn't as good as my scum game before that but I was still majoritly town read. I was on ONE mislynch and it DIDN'T garner alot of attention. The reason that I was "caught" that game is 'cause I was copped by PV b/c he thaught that I slipped that Garmr was on my team.

He wasn't

. The narrative that you are spinning that I garnered so much attention for being on a mislynch day 1 and pushing Mom/Ank/Mollie (though TBF they did kinda pushback.) when that had VERY LITTLE to do with my lynch and I have a hard time seeing you do that as town.

Also again,

In post 1059, House wrote:
In post 1057, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1053, House wrote:I hadn't reread YCBA II when I first caught up, which is why 330 didn't jump out at me.

This sounds like you just trying to drag up thinks to get town to be paranoid of me. Town me also used the same logic in World of Mafiacraft so good job cherry picking, scum.

doesn't feel really kosher and feels very much like the cherry picking that I think it is.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:48 pm

You are saying that I draw alot of heat for pushing a mislynch when I didn't.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:05 pm

In post 1053, House wrote:you obviously DO draw a lot of attention to yourself as scum trying to mislynch town

Why did you only read my scum game when metaing me?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:33 pm

In post 1072, House wrote:
In post 1070, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1053, House wrote:you obviously DO draw a lot of attention to yourself as scum trying to mislynch town

Why did you only read my scum game when metaing me?

I read through your scum game to see if you laid low as scum or if you put yourself out there to mislynch town. You put yourself out there in that game just like you did in this one.

That in itself isn't what made me scumread you. What made me scumread you was
your allusions that you didn't
in defense of the push on you, when it's quite simple to see that you do just that.

And my problem is that I've used this same defense as town and thus its null, knowing this what is your "read" on me.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:38 pm

In post 1074, House wrote:How about an actual case?

I've given my reasons why I'm suspicions of various slots. I wouldn't be all that suprised if today ends in a no lynch but it shouldn't si

vote:Skold

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:06 pm

So you are changing the narrative of why you are scum reading me? Ok fine. I'm tired and I don't want to argue but you prob are scum so meh.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:01 pm

I thought that you "forgot" you were in that game?

Why are you not voting Skold?

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:49 am

In post 1121, Bellaphant wrote:The only reason I can see house doing that would've been if the existing wagon was on another scum, and would he have been so blatant? Actaully...

Hey, guess who Skold was a counterwagon to?

XAYZEK!

like all of House, Xay, Boon seem like good lynches. Not opposed to Klitz at all. I'm also really worried with Peace avoiding the Skold wagon.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:56 am

vote:House

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:38 am

Why do you think House would be unable to push a mislynch as scum?

Tell me what Boon as done and then ask yourself why you, as supposedly town, want him to remain.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:23 am

So what, House scum lets Xay get lynched? Naw.

Its also possible that House is scum and he's defending Xay for the town cred but meh, there's no way to know the dynamic but I effectively am scumreading them both. Why do you think they are town? Just 'cause "House wouldn't do that as scum"?

Ricastle wrote:Why would you be willing to PL over two of your scumreads?

this is pretty strawmanny, bro.

elusive wrote:Actually Nero you forgot the wagon that was vampirate unless all three were town which I doubt.

I'll have to make sure but I thought it went

Boon is wagoned, then Skold, then Vamp, then Xay, then skold again.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:07 pm

In post 1147, Bellaphant wrote:@nero, is that assuming a scum!house and scum!xay?

sure?

I kinda hate that both you and Rick are badgering me over my reads on those two when NONE SHOULD BE TOWNREADING THEM.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:07 pm

hey Boon, anything else?

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:15 pm

Says the guy that feels the need to rewrite history to make himself sound better.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:17 pm

oh look, House is OMGUS scum reading me like he did in mafiacraft

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:21 pm

In post 1167, House wrote:Nero, you should know quite well I bus the shit out of my buddies when I'm scum for town cred. And it works.

How would I know "quite well"? In what game were we in that you were team scum?

In post 1166, House wrote:Wrong, I was defending Vampirate. Nero was either wrong or flat out lying.

I *might* go and quote you but you were defending Zay as well.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:27 pm

In post 967, House wrote:Xayzeck is the easy counterwagon to a scum lynch.

I DID think there were more but this is the only one I found on a skim.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:55 pm

Did you really think that the Vamp suspicion would suddenly disappear? I know you haven't been year a year yet so technically still a newb but you know thats not how this works.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:56 pm

ugh.....here a year

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:58 pm

In post 1172, House wrote:When there are points behind it, IT IS NOT OMGUS

you have no points bro. Your "point" is that I lied about skold being a cw to zay when Elusive 1175 proves me right. The Xay wagon DID stall and Skold overtook him, thus he was a CW.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:09 pm

In post 1181, House wrote:And he continues to evade all the rest of my points.

Says the guy who is faking game theory.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:17 pm

In post 948, PeaceBringer wrote:I will not participate in a skold lynch
Vamp looking town to me

vote xay...
cannot even bother to show up replacing in...

In post 950, Grib wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xayzeck

In post 954, PointYBagelS wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xayzeck

In post 955, Nero Cain wrote:vote:Zay

At this point Zay had 5 votes (since Elusive was already on him) then it stalls and Skold is the deadline lynch. Even if Zay never over took Skold, the fact that the Xay wagon stalled makes Skold a CW to him.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:32 pm

In post 1191, House wrote:
In post 1185, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1181, House wrote:And he continues to evade all the rest of my points.

Says the guy who is faking game theory.

Point out one single thing I said that wasn't true.

You fucking can't.

In post 1178, Nero Cain wrote:Did you really think that the Vamp suspicion would suddenly disappear? I know you haven't been year a year yet so technically still a newb but you know thats not how this works.

Here. You acting incredulous that we'd still be suspicious of Vamp reads as fake fake fake. But even if you are saying "true" things, how does that make you town? Yes scum lie but its not like they don't have the ability to say true things.

In post 1192, House wrote:You're completely ignoring the votecount in 893 where Skold already had his wagon started before that post in 948.

never said he didn't.

Still, Zay stalled out so...and I actually think that's p scummy of you "SKOLD WASN'T A ZAYZEK COUNTERWAGON 'CASUE ZAY NEVER ECLIPSED HIM IN VOTES!" While correct in the most rigid of game theory its really ignoring the games events.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:55 pm

^

but House isn't town.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:43 pm

In post 1198, House wrote:Xayzeck never got ran up until AFTER Skold did.

Use your fucking brain, would you?

That's the thing, I am NOT

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:45 pm

In post 1201, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1198, House wrote:Xayzeck never got ran up until AFTER Skold did.

Use your fucking brain, would you?

That's the thing, I am NOT arguing that the Skold wagon didn't happen first (as you seem to imply) but that Xay wagon STALLED out and Skold was the deadline lynch.

FIXED

Also really enjoying this selective replying.

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:37 pm

I've only read you correctly 3 times

Nero Cain · Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:38 pm

So I'm 100% this far

Nero Cain · Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:39 am

In post 1208, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1207, Nero Cain wrote:So I'm 100% this far

Unless you're Scum this time, right?

What does this even mean?

Nero Cain · Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:48 am

In post 1210, House wrote:
In post 940, House wrote:
In post 934, Nero Cain wrote:lol @ House calling Boon scum.

When did that happen, exactly?

I'd still like to know what this is about, btw.

In post 932, House wrote:At first I thought he was trying to build a wagon on Boon to
pick off scum

Nero Cain · Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:02 am

I don't think your slot voted Boons + you continue to act like you don't know how this game works. Scum join scum wagons all the time, bro.

Nero Cain · Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:04 am

TBF, I'm actually worried that Boon IS town and you and Celt are scum.

Nero Cain · Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:43 pm

In post 1245, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1222, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1208, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1207, Nero Cain wrote:So I'm 100% this far

Unless you're Scum this time, right?

What does this even mean?

You said you correctly read House's alignment in every game. This suggests that you're reading him correctly in this game as well.

If you are Scum, though, that would make an exception to your psychic streak, you'd just be scumreading him for the sake of a mislynch.

So I'm FoSing you. That's what it means.

So...I'm scumreading House and I believe in my scumread and you say "well u could be scum pushing a mislynch.!" Like I'm squinting real hard and this still doesn't make any sense.

Nero Cain · Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:06 pm

In post 1251, Klingoncelt wrote:Would it help if I said you look scummier to me than he does?

Why am I scummy and why not just say that instead of some weird chainsaw type post?

Nero Cain · Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:49 pm

Nero Cain · Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:34 am

Why do you trust House?

Nero Cain · Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:50 am

Do you trust me?

Do you still town read Hose?

If so, what do you think of House saying that the Skold flip is making him rethink his reads?

What do you think of Celt basically selectively scumreading me for being confident in my House read?

Nero Cain · Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:07 pm

In post 1266, Ricastle wrote:
In post 1263, Nero Cain wrote:Do you trust me?

Do you still town read Hose?

If so, what do you think of House saying that the Skold flip is making him rethink his reads?

What do you think of Celt basically selectively scumreading me for being confident in my House read?
Honestly, not really. My heart still says you're town though.

Why was House's confidence in a Skold scum flip towny and my confidence in my scumreads scummyish?

On the other hand, I'm struggling to see your clashes with House as tvt but I can't make out which of you is the scum within it, so you're both floating around the null area right now.

What things worry you?

Can you quote where Klingon effectively said that?

In post 1245, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1222, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1208, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1207, Nero Cain wrote:So I'm 100% this far

Unless you're Scum this time, right?

What does this even mean?

You said you correctly read House's alignment in every game. This suggests that you're reading him correctly in this game as well.

If you are Scum, though, that would make an exception to your psychic streak, you'd just be scumreading him for the sake of a mislynch.

So I'm FoSing you. That's what it means.

For the life of me the only thing I am really getting out of this is "Nero believes he's reading House correctly and so he's kinda scummy for it" What do you think it says? Its also incredibly vague and selective b/c if she believes that confidence is a light scum then why does she find my cofidence scummy and no one elses? Why, if she's worried that I'm setting up a mislynch on House, is no one that was confident that Skold was scum is getting FOSed?

Nero Cain · Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:27 pm

but the loudest pusher prob is scum...

Nero Cain · Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:49 pm

b/c I think its bullshit that you are picking me out of 16 other players and going "that guy! yea that guy could be scum b/c he believes in his read." and it makes me wary 'cause I think selective scumhunting is a scumtell. By the same logic that you are light pushing me it could point to anyone that believes in their read.

Likw, where is your fos on House b/c he could be scum pushing a mislynch as well.

Nero Cain · Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:57 pm

In post 1319, House wrote:
In post 1315, Nero Cain wrote:but the loudest pusher prob is scum...

Go back to the newbie queue.

Skold disagrees

Nero Cain · Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:31 am

In post 1325, Klingoncelt wrote:but Nero Cain obsesses and melts down over it.

yea, that's what I'm doing.

What you are doing is pretty objectively scummy.

Nero Cain · Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:11 pm

In post 1367, Klingoncelt wrote:The trivial post is why I FoS'd him. It was meaningless for him to say what he did.

Why are you changing your story here? If you thought my post was trivial and uneeded why not just say that? Instead, you've been pushing this "oh Nero could be faking his read on House!" so it looks to me like you are changing your story b/c what you were saying wasn't sticking.

but I mean, if your reason for light scum reading me is effectively "he could be scum, he could be faking his read on House!" How does that not apply to anyone else? We all had the same 5.5% chance of getting a scum pm, and you could apply the same reasoning to anyone else so why am I special?

Also, if you think that I could "fake" my scum read on House why are you not concerned with the, yknow, folks (like House) that pushed a mislynch?

Nero Cain · Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:49 pm

In post 1377, Klingoncelt wrote:
The FoS isn't just that you might be faking the read, it's that you obsess. It's like you're going after House simply for the sake of going after House.
Pages of arguing turn me off
.

Why didn't you FOS House then? Why do you view me as more responsible for the argument than him? Have you never seen town players argue with each other in a game? If so, how accurate is this "long argument" tell, that you are pushing?

My whole issue is that you the things you are light pushing me for are absolutely ridiculous, its selective and I think that's more likely to come from scum.

And then you act like a brand-new noob and ask me what I mean when I said you could be faking my read.

I didn't ask that but good job trying to ad hom.

Nero Cain · Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:41 pm

So we are 56 pages in and you aren't pushing anyone.

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:28 am

In post 1387, Klingoncelt wrote:This is one of those rare games where I'm scumreading him less than usual.

explain.

In post 1398, elusive wrote:Nero and House are still both alive? We don't have a day vig? God, we need more games with 3-4 day vig roles. Makes things more fun and stuff

What is your deal?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:42 am

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:14 pm

vote:peacebringer

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:32 pm

I am a tad bit worried about Elusive as well. It seems like her massive push on Castle came right 0 when the heat was really ramping up against KC. Also a quick skim of her ISO shows her NOT caring that much about Castles sk hunting but its super scummy today?

Nero Cain · Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:38 pm

As much as I find the vamp slot suspicious...

In post 1422, Vampirate wrote:Klingtonofcelt had
questionable reasons
to FoS Nero.

100% this.

I just want to kill a bunch of people right now.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:39 am

In post 1446, PointYBagelS wrote:but Nero did the same a few pages

What whole did I dig myself?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:27 am

hole rather...or maybe whole hole?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:36 am

In post 1439, House wrote:And you wonder why I have problems with you?

Yeah, actually. I mean there's a ton of slots with p suspicious behavior. One could argue that this game is somewhat a numbers game and while yes, mislynching isn't good for the town, it also sometimes requires getting rid of really suspicious slots. This isn't your first game, why do you keep pretending like you don't know whats going on?

So is there anything you'd like to discuss or are you content to sit back and take misreppy pressure point pot shots, like the scum you are?

In post 1443, PeaceBringer wrote:maybe he is pissed that I bailed on your vote...

a little actually. Still think House is scum, I will dedicate a post to this later. I was actually in the middle of writing it but got lazy...anyhoo...I voted you b/c I wanted to get your attention. First lets talk about Skold and your lack of Skold vote. I did not like the idea of lynching Skold over someone scummy like House or Xay, but I did anyways b/c like I told House above, you gotta break some eggs to make an omlette. I have argued in the past that town SHOULD care about how they come across (ie don't do anything that's stupidly antitown) but at the same time they SHOULDN'T care AS MUCH AS

House

scum and thats my point, town need dead bodies to solve so while I agree with you that Skold was not a very good lynch it shouldn't have mattered that much to you. Why, when I brought this up, do you not respond?

They thing is, the case on SK is NOT that she FOSed me, its that she FOSed me despite her "reasons" to FOS me being selective and vague.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:16 am

In post 1457, PointYBagelS wrote:You got into a rather long semantic argument with house that didn't make you look too good. It arguably obscured/prevented actual discussion.

meh. Its possible that leaps in logic and contradictions are just a House thing but he looks p scummy to me. *shrugz* I also don't think it prevented discussion at all. But if you found me sorta scummy for it, why did you not find him sorta scummy?

In post 1458, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 1456, Nero Cain wrote:Why, when I brought this up, do you not respond?

I didn't see you bring it up. Generally it comes and goes with me wether I will stick with a read or not. I didn't like the lynch and didn't like the push. I would much rather have seen waste of space Xay gone, now we got Xay still around. It was a choice between those 2... Xay was spared...

but why did you avoid lynching him? Its not like any other lynch was going to happen. What I'm getting at is that I'm afraid that you are scum that avoided being on a mislynch to try and make yourself look better.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:38 am

In post 1460, Ricastle wrote:Nero, again, why were you never on KC?

I'm still exploring and stuff I'm also a little worried that scumHouse is voting her but then again, according to his self meta he busses. MEH

vote:KC

Who else are you scumreading?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:18 am

you are still scum though so meh.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:24 am

In post 1464, House wrote:
In post 1463, Nero Cain wrote:you are still scum though so meh.

OMGUS.

yea, I had your slot listen as scum before you even replaced in, I have been arguing that you were scum both last night and all of today. Stop throwing around hollow buzzwords.

In post 1465, Klingoncelt wrote:@Nero Cain - What do you think of Ricastle white knighting you?

Where is this?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:35 am

I'm having a hard time seeing House as town, like everything seems manipulative and scummy. Why do you see him as town, ric?

In post 1470, House wrote:
In post 1467, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1464, House wrote:
In post 1463, Nero Cain wrote:you are still scum though so meh.

OMGUS.

yea, I had your slot listen as scum before you even replaced in, I have been arguing that you were scum both last night and all of today. Stop throwing around hollow buzzwords.

It wasn't a buzzword. It was a statement.

Except that it factually untrue so it seems to me like you are just throwing things around and hoping they stick and that doesn't seem town motivated at all.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:53 am

In post 1474, House wrote:
In post 1472, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1470, House wrote:
In post 1467, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1464, House wrote:
In post 1463, Nero Cain wrote:you are still scum though so meh.

OMGUS.

yea, I had your slot listen as scum before you even replaced in, I have been arguing that you were scum both last night and all of today. Stop throwing around hollow buzzwords.

It wasn't a buzzword. It was a statement.

Except that it factually untrue so it seems to me like you are just throwing things around and hoping they stick and that doesn't seem town motivated at all.

What I said is obviously true. You're breaking your back trying to get town to lynch me. If you're not scum, you suck. Those are the only two possibilities.

OMGUS is when you are voting a slot SOLELY b/c they are voting you or calling you scum. This is not true b/c I have been suspicious of your slot before you even replaced in and I was arguing that you were scum previous to 1463.

In post 1475, Klingoncelt wrote:Doesn't compare well with flailing Nero's posts.

look, I get it. Its like yours and House's go to thing to insult/throw around empty buzzwords but ya'll ain't fooling anyone.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:56 am

Well, House is fooling Ric but when I break down Houses posting he'll see the era in his ways. This is mafiacraft all over again but I can't rely on the scum to vote him b/c he is mafia.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:48 am

In post 1480, House wrote:you suck

not nearly as bad as you though.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:53 am

In post 1483, House wrote:You're just showing that you want me dead regardless of my alignment, which is scummy as shit.

yeah, keep up the manipulation.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:55 am

I want you dead b/c I don't believe you'd be this bad as town, thus, I think you are scum. That whole "you want me dead regardless of alignment is nothing more than ATE bullshit.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:58 am

In post 1487, Klingoncelt wrote:I was also thinking about some point regarding you

What point?

In post 1487, Klingoncelt wrote:My post refers to Ricastle, not you.

Can you quote him where he is wking his scumreads?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:16 pm

In post 1491, Klingoncelt wrote:Ricastle isn't WKing his Scumreads, he's WKing YOU, Nero. His Scumreads are my Townreads.

Where did he wk me?

Which is the same thing I asked before.

In post 1467, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1465, Klingoncelt wrote:@Nero Cain - What do you think of Ricastle white knighting you?

Where is this?

and I got

In post 1476, Klingoncelt wrote:*Ooops, I meant WK Ricastle's reads.

Which I thought was you saying that Ric was whiteknighting his reads.

but no...

In post 1491, Klingoncelt wrote:Ricastle isn't WKing his Scumreads, he's WKing YOU, Nero.

So again...where is this?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:22 pm

I was town in mafiacraft, House was scum, 3p specifically.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:43 pm

town

Nero Cain
Grib
Creative
Ricastle
davesaz
RationalMadman
Boonskiies
PeaceBringer
Vampirate
Rubicon
Errantparabola
PointYBagelS
Bellaphant
elusive
Xayzeck
Klingoncelt
House

scum

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:20 pm

In post 1502, Ricastle wrote:Why is Grib your top townread?

I'll deal with the rest tomorrow.

Isn't it a bit rude to ask me about my reads but when I ask you why you are town reading House you ignore me?

I think Xay is scum, he's voting scum.

In post 1504, elusive wrote:Thank you, however can you provide a clear minimum one sentence reason for why and a clear alignment? Behavior (specific example), interactions, VCs, etc.

I will if you do.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:32 pm

RN, I think Celt is scum and you are voting Celt. The only reason that you aren't as high as Grib is 'cause I really hate your play and I'm more paranoid that that its a bus.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:44 pm

What are your other scum reads?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:37 pm

What do you think you've done that has been pro-town?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:03 pm

In post 1515, elusive wrote:But Nero baby, I asked first and...nicely.

I will do it b/c it is what I am supposed to do but afterwards I would like the same from you.

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:53 pm

In post 1521, PeaceBringer wrote:I would argue the same for KC at this point...

*twitch*

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:58 pm

In post 1520, Creative wrote:don´t really like the way he said more than once about how Nero and House were TvT, don´t understand the motivation behind that

He's either scum that knows it is TvT or calling it TvT to protect scumbuddy House or town that thinks we are both town. Take your pick.

In post 1520, Creative wrote:I actually like Elusive points on Ricastle, don´t think they sould be trashed.

TBF, its not like she was the first to bring them up but what do you think of her not finding them super scummy on d1 and now they are lynch worthy?

Nero Cain · Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:19 pm

Dude, KC is pretty horrible. I mean its possible that she's just really bad but that whole "FOS Nero for reasons that others are doing" and then borrow from the school of House scum play and ad hom me.

Why do you find her town?

Nero Cain · Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:30 am

In post 1543, PeaceBringer wrote:You are talking as if you know for fact that Nero vs House is town and town

Whats the difference between him and Boon?

I could just be bias here but the KC case seems fine to me. She attacked me for being confident in my House read. If she thinks confidence was a scumtell she SHOULD be suspicious of House and everyone that was confident that Skold was scum. Or was confident Skold wasn't scum. Its really vague and selective. Which is really scummy. She kinda has a built in excuse that "she's known for cray cray logic" and maybe that's all it is, her just being a new join date but I also think its possible that you know, she's just scum.

Nero Cain · Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:45 am

In post 1590, PeaceBringer wrote:* KC would be no real loss if flipped imo and as such is a breakable egg.
* I do think KC is town and would be better to have her around.

Don't those two statements kinda contradict?

Nero Cain · Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:25 am

In post 1576, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1543, PeaceBringer wrote:You are talking as if you know for fact that Nero vs House is town and town

Whats the difference between him and Boon?

I know you've moved to Bella now but but I'd still like you to explain the difference between Ric saying this and Boon saying this.

Nero Cain · Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:33 am

In post 1598, Bellaphant wrote:Nero's putting Grib at the top of his town-reads, when the majority of his content is 'lynch xay' is shitty

if/when Xay flips scum do you think he's scum?

of course if Xay flips town I'll have to rethink but tell me why I should not think someone is town if they are lynching scum? no bussing arguments pls.

Who is your top town read.

Nero Cain · Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:21 pm

In post 1602, House wrote:
In post 1599, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1598, Bellaphant wrote:Nero's putting Grib at the top of his town-reads, when the majority of his content is 'lynch xay' is shitty

if/when Xay flips scum do you think he's scum?

of course if Xay flips town I'll have to rethink but tell me why I should not think someone is town if they are lynching scum? no bussing arguments pls.

Who is your top town read.

Distancing.

It's not bussing unless the lynch goes through.

tell me oh great one, how do we tell the difference between distancing and town with a scum read?

Nero Cain · Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:34 pm

In post 1611, House wrote:
In post 1610, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1602, House wrote:
In post 1599, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1598, Bellaphant wrote:Nero's putting Grib at the top of his town-reads, when the majority of his content is 'lynch xay' is shitty

if/when Xay flips scum do you think he's scum?

of course if Xay flips town I'll have to rethink but tell me why I should not think someone is town if they are lynching scum? no bussing arguments pls.

Who is your top town read.

Distancing.

It's not bussing unless the lynch goes through.

tell me oh great one, how do we tell the difference between distancing and town with a scum read?

Town with a scum read has no need to distance. Because, y'know, they're town.

Happy to help!

That explains nothing.