New York 181 -- Game Over

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2477 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:33 pm

Hello, hello, hello!

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2478 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:33 pm

If you guys think I'm reading 100 pages, you are terribly terribly mistaken. I'll do my best to read p1-5 and the last 5 pages shortly.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2480 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:47 pm

In post 30, Garmr wrote:wait that's 18 isn't it

VOTE: TSO

Town ^

Anen is also

probably

town.

For some reason I can't paste into the preview-window right now, so I'm going to do this light on quotes until Im motivated to restart chrome or something, lolol.

Ika is town.

Silverwolf is interesting.

Nikanor is town for now.

Wake wrote:And in this game, with limited time, I feel more like playing fast and loose.

I also like to play dangerously

Is dragonspawn still alive? That guy looks like scum. Well maybe not LOOKS like. But certainly talks like it and potentially walks like it. quack quack.

I like dave's post on P5. He can be town until I have reason to believe otherwise.

elusive is a gut town lean.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2481 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:48 pm

In post 2479, A Royal Saint wrote:Hi AP!

Greetings, traveler!

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2483 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:49 pm

Ok, I see I was right about elusive and dave for all the good that does me.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2484 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:52 pm

Also I think wake is not-mafia aligned after reading a one-line post by the flipped scum in response to him. Could be SK, no idea. Not mafia though.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2485 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:55 pm

VOTE: Dragonspawn
Chugga chugga

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2487 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:46 pm

Hearing that makes me suspect Anen is town. I'd need to read some context of that before drawing any opinions though.

I have no opinion on ABR right now.

His posts have been weird but I don't know what to make of that sentiment.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2496 (isolation #8) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:57 am

In post 2488, Garmr wrote:Hey Ap your the house slot right I have a mild scum read on that slot any thoughts on the scum that flipped?

I don't think Wake is on their team. Thats pretty much the extent of it.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2502 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:32 am

On wake? He could be SK if you like, I'm prob not voting him today though.

I think scumreads on delta and Anen are weak. Delta more than anen.

The bus is a null read for me atm.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2504 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:21 am

dragonspawn, no, I don't know.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2506 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:29 am

Well I see House replaced out for personal reasons which is something I avoid doing, so I'd say I disagree with it on that alone :S. I see he voted dragonspawn early on, so that is awesome. I cant recall much else of his posts but I also haven't read a lot so -shrug-.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:20 pm

In post 2527, Egg wrote:I'm not caught up but Titus you should stop doing what you're doing. It's too obvious and certain people would have made it obvious themselves if they wantedit to be obvious.

Still though

Vote ABR

I don't think shes doing anything, and I dont know what you think you see. This is pretty much just titus being titus.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2579 (isolation #13) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:32 pm

I'm going to say this right now: The cop should probably claim. We have a doctor and we know there are no mafia PRs in the game. This is basically a follow the cop setup and have the doctor park on them all night every night.

Furthermore, can we please lynch dragonspawn today. Source: hes scum.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2590 (isolation #14) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:39 pm

In post 2582, Titus wrote:
In post 2579, AngryPidgeon wrote:I'm going to say this right now: The cop should probably claim. We have a doctor and we know there are no mafia PRs in the game. This is basically a follow the cop setup and have the doctor park on them all night every night.

Furthermore, can we please lynch dragonspawn today. Source: hes scum.

Wrong. Cannot do that until the SK is dead. Otherwise both target the cop.

That's why I won't answer who has the guilty.

The SK would have to be actively playing against their wincon to remove a role that
a) cant harm them
b) harms mafia

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2596 (isolation #15) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:42 pm

It makes sense for the SK to try and kill the Doctor, but going for the cop is dumb as an SK. Like batshit insane levels of dumb.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2609 (isolation #16) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:52 pm

In post 2587, Wake1 wrote:
In post 2582, Titus wrote:
Wrong. Cannot do that until the SK is dead. Otherwise both target the cop.

I will give AP the benefit of the doubt and assume he made a simple mistake.

There is no mistake, I simply happen to be competent at game theory.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2611 (isolation #17) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:55 pm

Also, the opening post doesn't even say that Doctor protects only stop one kill.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2623 (isolation #18) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:12 pm

VOTE: titus because she antitown at best.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2625 (isolation #19) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:14 pm

^ Stop rolefishing!!!!11111!!11one!1!

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2626 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:14 pm

Pagetop epic fail.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2634 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:19 pm

In post 2628, ika wrote:titus: sk is investigation immune, killing cop is worst play for sk

This x 1000

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2649 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:30 pm

Dramonic is a chronic lurker regardless of his alignment. Hopefully he'll post something at me that I can read.

Oh sweet my ika read was right. Back to lynching titus thanks.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2725 (isolation #23) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:30 pm

Dragonspawn is trying to get people to "realize" he's town by pointing out that he thought ika was a cop and therefore would have shot him if he were scum.

The way he's going about it is incredibly scummy in a way that I only observe very occasionally. His posts have all been extraordinarily hollow outside of trying to sell us on this. He's still scum and obviously so. The nonsense about House is also nonsense and scummy.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2728 (isolation #24) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:47 pm

I can tell that no one is going to lynch Dragon with me Today, so sure. We can talk about titus. I'm even voting for her right now!

I don't have a townread on Titus, in fact there is a disturbing lack of town-looking posts from her. I'm perplexed and frustrated by her posts about Freeko and ABR. I think she probably genuinely believes what she is saying, regardless of her alignment. I don't see her interactions with anybody except MAYBE Freeko as likely not scum/scum. Overall impression is that Titus is a fine lynch right now.

ABR doesn't look that town to me so far and lynching between those 2 Today wouldn't really make me that unhappy.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2729 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:49 pm

In post 2727, Shiro wrote:Whoa what can a person miss while asleep

unvote

Give me some time cause if titus is scum I have to accept that ABR is mot likely town

Or you could have an interesting opinion instead of this boring one.

Scummy.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2830 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:54 am

Oh Titus was wrong about Treecko? What a shock.

Garmr is town. Ika is town. Delta and wake are probably town.

Treecko is a town lean.

I'm pretty uninterested in lynching Anen at the moment but would like to chat with him.

Opinions about titus and ABR being opposite alignments irk me. That reminds me Shiro is probably scum.

Feeling pretty good about the town reads accumulated in my head for the most part. I'm going to be on phone all day but probably here if you want me

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2832 (isolation #27) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:00 am

In post 311, Mikazuki wrote:
In post 251, Wake1 wrote:

(Mikazuki)
———✹[/color]
You needn't be shy, Mikazuki.

I'm so out of my league here, so much discussion between people who already know each other based on past games ><

In post 266, Aneninen wrote:As I said, I want to separate important things from irrelevant things, that's an andvantage for me right now. But, don't be that afraid, eg. by making readlists, there may be more, as you can see it soon.

But, you know what, this is a fourth sentence now, ending with this video.

Sounds fair enough to me!

... Yes, very amusing

This post is the one that makes me think wake is likely town.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2836 (isolation #28) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:10 am

Me? Well I haven't read the bulk of this still, but what I've seen so far looks town to me. I doubt I'd find what you are talking about to be scummy though. Lack of conviction isn't scummy necessarily

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2838 (isolation #29) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:18 am

The way she addresses him. He called her out and she is being cutesy and apologetic like she's trying to shrug him off.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:47 pm

That's ok. You are a concrete detail based person evidently. I read into tone and what is missing in posts. I've sort of given up on trying to explain some of my more abstract reads to people who gather information in more detail oriented ways.

Tldr: -shrug-
I'm right but it's cool

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2861 (isolation #31) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:12 pm

Uhhhh, what?

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2864 (isolation #32) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:32 pm

@Egg: Well, you are free to interpret what you see there however you want. I think that her response to Wake looks really apologetic and deflective in a way that I wouldn't really expect scum to respond to another scum. Its POSSIBLE, sure, and obviously 1/4th of the remaining scum in the game are SK so wake could end up being that, but I think her response looks like a quick dismissal/excuse which wouldn't be needed when talking to scum. I'd expect something more pointed. Why do you think she doesn't look worried? I wouldn't use the word 'worried' to describe her response, but it definitely looks dismissive/deflective to a degree.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2865 (isolation #33) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:33 pm

Also why did you Kenny-ify your avatar, lol

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2893 (isolation #34) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:41 am

In post 2891, Wake1 wrote:It's right here. 416. "Not knowing a thing about the people I am playing against."

I don't get why Town would say that b/c Town doesn't play against others. They have to work together to find the Scum. What I think is that Scum would say that, because Scum would play against the Town, and they know who each other is sans the SK.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2915 (isolation #35) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:00 am

Wake still looks town.

Push on him sucks

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2919 (isolation #36) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:13 am

You are under stating your feelings on that observation. At least it seems weird to me. I'd expect you to be more certain of it given your previous take on Titus.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2920 (isolation #37) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:18 am

Ok well I have probably 2 hours of road trip so I'll try and read around a bit. If anyone has recommended pages to look at, lmk.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2922 (isolation #38) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:36 am

Confidence is a play style tell, not an alignment tell.

I think he's being defensive because people are pressing him. Which is also not scummy.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2923 (isolation #39) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:36 am

I see a lot of myself in Wakes posts.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2925 (isolation #40) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:50 am

In post 174, elusive wrote:
In post 161, Shiro wrote:
In post 160, elusive wrote:Plus quizzes are so fun, link the quiz?

http://www.spiritanimal.info/spirit-animal-quiz/

The first google answer xD

Hmm..I got butterfly which meh. I'd say hummingbird or something kitty katty.

Texcat, hmm? What now?

I also got butterfly. I always thought I was a lion : (

AngryPidgeon · Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:25 am

Good news everyone. I'm getting reads.

Town: ika, ARS, wake, egg, delta, texcat, anen

Town leans: flubber, garmr, freeko

The rest: titus, abr, dram (tso?), shiro, dragonspawn, pisskop

AngryPidgeon · Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:43 am

Lynch titus with me then. You don't even have to feel bad if she flips town.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:59 am

She's being anti town with the whole freeko/abr/ika bullshit. HHer preferred votes are mostly on probable townies. Her prodding of you is pointless and just makes you aggravated which in turn makes me aggravated.

As of right now, I actually feel other people are scummier, but I'm willing to vote inside my short list of not - town reads so long as there is support for it, which there is. Titus has the bonus of misreading yourself and Anen aggressively which makes me more inclined to lynch her.

I'm not going to talk about meta much because I don't like meta. She was scum in my mini theme and in SR2. I waffled on her in that game until the end of d1 where she posted something desperately scummy and I lynched her.

Titus is known for being unconventional. Nitpicky might be a way of viewing that. Why are you asking about that specifically?

AngryPidgeon · Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:11 am

Yes but Anen is pretty obviously town.

Thanks for shooting mafia for us N1 though.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2957 (isolation #45) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:36 pm

In post 2950, A Royal Saint wrote:@All when I get time I am looking at how this wagon folded for Titus because in essence we have two competing cop claims are doing nothing to figure out which is the scum amongst it and instead poking Wake for LA when dramonic and Shiro have been lurking the entire time.

Uhhh, no there is only one cop claim. Please apply yourself.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2958 (isolation #46) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:41 pm

In post 2950, A Royal Saint wrote:The team is Anen/DeltaWave and one of Tiitus/texcat.

How could you possibly think titus is scum with aneninen?

I'll post about Anen in a bit.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2993 (isolation #47) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:00 am

In post 2968, Shiro wrote:Guys like seriously

VOTE:Dramonic

And let see what happens. This bird really needs to talk.

@Dram maybe you could give us some reads other than titus town and wake scum ?

This needs a lynch asap.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2994 (isolation #48) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:09 am

In post 2982, A Royal Saint wrote:
In post 2958, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 2950, A Royal Saint wrote:The team is Anen/DeltaWave and one of Tiitus/texcat.

How could you possibly think titus is scum with aneninen?

I'll post about Anen in a bit.

1) She says she never busses. That was in setup of a bus of Anen.
2) She didn't tunnel Anen but keeps saying he is scum. Titus is a tunneler. This play is off for her.
3) only Anen/Delta/Titus are saying I am scum in a large OMGUS. Pisskop said it once or twice then not again.

This reeks of coalignment.

I strongly disagree about that but ok. My running theory is that she is an SK scum anyhow.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2996 (isolation #49) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:42 am

Well yes your current vote is boring and non controversial.

Which would be whatever except that you haven't shown any town motivated progression all Game. You are just sitting in the corner and blowing spitballs at dram who is a known chronic lurker.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:35 pm

In post 3000, Shiro wrote:
In post 2996, AngryPidgeon wrote:You are just sitting in the corner and blowing spitballs at dram who is a known chronic lurker.

First you are speculating that I should be aware of that fact

Second yes I am calling him out for it it a horribly trait that makes it very easy for scum to hide.

No, I'm not speculating that you should be aware of that; that in fact has nothing to do with my point against you. My point against you is that you are sitting on the sidelines. you are not taking any stances on anything controversial or doing anything that really looks like scumhunting. I refuse to believe that Dramonic is the most interesting person in the game for you right now that you aren't commenting on other things, but choose to vote him instead. Voting Dramonic is basically the most unobtrusive thing anyone could do at this given time and that combined with your complete lack of scum-hunting or opinions on relevant topics is highly highly scummy.

Now the defense that you aren't aware of his meta is funny because its not relevant to my point. Further, by using your lack of knowledge to defend yourself you are suggesting that his meta IS relevant here, but aren't doing anything with your new knowledge about it. If it truly doesn't matter as you seem to tihnk, then you wouldn't be using it as an angle for strawmanning my point against you. Personally, I don't care about meta, me pointing it out was just to emphasize exactly how silly your vote on him is to me.

I just noticed that all the A-names are voting Titus, we just need to get Anen in on this one. Speaking of Anen, I owe everyone a crappy towncase for him that no one is going to agree with.

I'm not sure if Dragon/Shiro would both go after Dram in tandem as a team (unless maybe Dram is on their team which would be a highly specific case?). Not impossible I guess, but meh.

This wake wagon is pretty clearly scums way of letting town tear itself apart. I pretty much refuse to believe that Wake is scum if not for the complete and utter lack of posturing. His entire attitude about perfection makes a huge amount of sense to me even if it also annoys me. I don't erally see any scum motivation for elaborately faking hissy fits about his personality and I fdon't really think Wake of all people has the mental fortitude to conjure up such an elaborate persona and wall it up with all sorts of AtE to boot. Like really I'd be FUCKING impressed. The only thing I can't rule out is that he is an SK and is having an easier time with this because he IS genuinely scumhunting, but I still am not touching his wagon with an 11.5 foot pole.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3012 (isolation #51) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:39 pm

@Flubber: You do that, stud.
@Wake88: I think alcoholism is the solution you are seeking.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3016 (isolation #52) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:53 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6669034
This makes me think Wake is town.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3031 (isolation #53) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:25 pm

^ Sorry, but I'm not getting lynched this game. Killing me is the only way.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3033 (isolation #54) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:47 pm

In post 122, Aneninen wrote:I'm innefective because of my wallposts, which are annoying everyone.
No more sentences per post than 2d6 (2-12), which number is determined randomly.
The Number of Today is 3.

I don't really see any scum motivation to intentionally changeup playstyle in such an obvious way. I think there is more motivation to improve townplay by doing this. While Anen might believe that he will be a better debater as scum by being more concise, I think that being so open about changing his playstyle is bound to draw attention (especially the random element) and wouldn't really benefit him in the long run reasonably. For this reason, I tend to think off the bat that he is town and doing this.

I think he sounds totally different than he did in the last Street Racers game. I can't totally qualify that, but I see that he is being more to the point whereas in that game I think he put in way more effort to appear busy. Scattershot questions and quote strips to people and not a lot of follow up on them.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60285

I just don't get the impression that hes out to buddy up to people. Posts like 200 look like something a townie would think to me. Sure scum can posture about that, but I don't really think he is there.

I like his decisveness, its just the perfect amount, neither overdone nor too hedgy, and I generally agree with is reads.

I like that he is auditing his activity a little bit without being apologetic about it his lack of it recently.

I don't really see him being a wagon against the Pisskop slot as telling here:

In post 1391, Nobody Special wrote:Aneninen - 5 - T S O, Klingoncelt, Egg, elusive, House
Klingoncelt - 5 - SilverWolf, ika, texcat, Aneninen, Drixx

If anen is scum, then Drixx being on Klingon makes sense. If Anen is town, then Drixx being on Klingon is whatever. And I'm being generous because frankly I don't give a shit about where the flipped scum was voting, especially if he was all over the place. But him not being on one wagon is fairly meaningless in the grand scheme of things. If (and I havent researched the wagons at all so IF) he really is jumping everywhere but on Anen, I 'd say that makes anen likely not on his team. Once again though, I really am not going to be bothered at looking at votes at this point unless its to go through the entirety of Drixx's ISO and read all the context which I

will definitely not do

may actually do if it isn't that big, stay tuned.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3050 (isolation #55) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:59 pm

Call me beep me if you wanna lynch scum.
When you wanna lynch scum I'll be here.
I just can't wait to hear good wagons form.

In t h e meantime, keep misvoting anen and wake.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3077 (isolation #56) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:09 pm

In post 3067, dragonspawn wrote:why are you so confident they are mislynches?

Read my posts. Unless you aren't interested in why I think they are town and are just doubtcasting my confidence, in which case -SHRUG-.

In post 3072, A Royal Saint wrote:This is a counter claim just not with herself.

Its not a CC, its just nothing.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3078 (isolation #57) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:11 pm

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Dramonic

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3082 (isolation #58) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:06 pm

In post 3081, dramonic wrote:
In post 3078, AngryPidgeon wrote:UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Dramonic

I dunno, I don't really want to lynch either Anen or Wake and no one wants to vote my favorite reads.

I kind of felt you were town in SR3. I'm not getting the same vibes here.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3096 (isolation #59) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:09 pm

Do something that looks town motivated then?

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3103 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:36 pm

In post 3101, pisskop wrote: Youre reading his emotions, not his play.

This is a totally valid way to get reads though, especially in cases like Wake.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3112 (isolation #61) » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:43 am

In post 3108, Shiro wrote:@AP
So you think I am scum
You call my vote on dramonic stupid
You call me out for trying to start a wagon on some not all that interesting

You end up voting dramonic, who is the wagon someone who you think is scum started.

Tell me how that makes sense?

expected / 10.

Try harder to pin crap on me.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3116 (isolation #62) » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:09 am

Hey guys it's 6 days to deadline. Let's not screw around. Vote viable wagons please.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3117 (isolation #63) » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:10 am

Titus are you town reading dram?

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3129 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:45 am

In post 3121, Aneninen wrote:Who were your favourite reads again?

In post 2932, AngryPidgeon wrote:Town: ika, ARS, wake, egg, delta, texcat, anen

Town leans: flubber, garmr, freeko

The rest: titus, abr, dram (tso?), shiro, dragonspawn, pisskop

Of These I want to lynch pisskop the least. These aren't in any particular order though. So Shiro/Dram/titus/ABR/DS

In post 3126, Shiro wrote:You call the wagon stupid and you think scum is trying to start it yet you jump on it.

No, I didn't say anything about the wagon. The only thing I said is that you and your vote are scummy.

I'm not so naive nor conceited to think that you as scum are incapable of bussing Dram. Or that one of you is SK and the other mafia. Or that my read on you is so infallible that I should read into connections based on it before seeing you flip, which is a terrible practice.

I'm voting Dram because I think he is a good lynch in the current situation (sorry dram). I don't have a townread on him, and the only other serious wagons people are considering Today are on my townreads. Consider my vote a blatant counterwagon to the wake wagon, because that is how little I want that slot lynched right now.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3141 (isolation #65) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:51 am

Ya, Silverwolf makes the ARS slot too-town to lynch IMO. ARS isn't exactly scummy either, although I can understand frustration with their opinions.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:57 am

........

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3174 (isolation #67) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:50 pm

In post 3169, 4nxi3ty wrote:Deadline: 3 days, 16 hours, 59 minutes

Oh man, are we really going to NL this?

Come on guys.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:29 pm

In post 3179, Titus wrote:
In post 3174, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 3169, 4nxi3ty wrote:Deadline: 3 days, 16 hours, 59 minutes

Oh man, are we really going to NL this?

Come on guys.

Not voting dram. I think he site flaked. You can come to the shiny ARS wagon.

I would bet my bottom dollar that one of these wagons is on scum.

Ya, its the dram one

I think ARS predecessor looked town. Wake is pretty town.

I'll blatantly bandwagon anyone if they get in lynch range at this point in the Day though, so if you get people on those I'll tag along.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3197 (isolation #69) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:04 am

If anything, that makes delta scum.

But whatever. Intent to put all wagons at L-1 for Ika, my sweet prince, to hammer them.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3199 (isolation #70) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 am

Deltas posts about Wake have sucked pretty bad in the last couple of days.

It's pretty clear that wakes rl drama doesn't mean anything about hood alignment.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:39 am

AngryPidgeon · Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:47 pm

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Wake

Wagon ho

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3241 (isolation #73) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:02 pm

Inb4 SK flip

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3265 (isolation #74) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:44 pm

Man I suck at this game.

At least at this rate the SK is going to win the game for us, lmao.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3270 (isolation #75) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:01 pm

In post 3267, dramonic wrote:
In post 3265, AngryPidgeon wrote:Man I suck at this game.
Sucking is your specialty I guess.

I have many specialties

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3271 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:12 pm

Could Texcat be the last mafia?

I thought she was pretty town, but frankly I'm not buying that she nailed wake that hard lololol

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3273 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:18 pm

I wouldn't assume anything, and the last mafia is only 50% of the remaining scum anyhow at this point.

But I'm inclined to believe ithey were, lol. I mean why not. Garmr did. Id imagine they were either lurkaderping or trying to get towncred for the lynch.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3277 (isolation #78) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:14 pm

In post 3275, Egg wrote:Vote dragonspawn

AP, you may have had one right.

That'd be cool.

I should probably just sheep other people Today since I'm apparently totally off base in this game.

Sort of wanting to vote Texcat or Dragonspawn right now.

Pisskop calling me the SK and then not following that up with either a vote or a case at all is divey as all get out even though I suspect I know why he thinks I am SK and I would otherwise consider that to be good reason to suspect me.

Need to revisit delta read.

I don't think I'll be joining an ARS wagon Today.

ika stop investigating NKs.

Mafia killed Freeko. Uhhhhh, I'm sure that means something but I'll be gosh golly damned if I know what it is. Could have been someone's best guess at a Doctor maybe.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3294 (isolation #79) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:02 pm

Was it obvious that ika was going to investigate Freeko?

Because I certainly didn't expect that.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3307 (isolation #80) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:49 am

Obviously, lynching SK is the optimal play Today, but potentially more difficult.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3310 (isolation #81) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:27 am

In post 3309, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 3307, AngryPidgeon wrote:Obviously, lynching SK is the optimal play Today, but potentially more difficult.

Why is it optimal play?

Because they are exactly the same except the SK can't be investigated by the cop. If we lynch the SK today, we basically win by playing follow the cop. If we lynch mafia, our cop is useless.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3318 (isolation #82) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:03 pm

Ya I kind of don't like Titus ignoring SK here but I know VCA is her thing. Egg also sort of did with his iso so mehh.

Leaning towards pisskop vote.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3331 (isolation #83) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:26 pm

-shrug-

VOTE: Dragonspawn

In honor of Titus agreeing with one of my reads.

FTR, I dont think reading into the Freeko kill is a great idea. Could mean any number of things.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3333 (isolation #84) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:49 pm

Oh so you aren't scumreading Dragonspawn?

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3338 (isolation #85) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:15 pm

In post 3337, dragonspawn wrote:
If I'm scum, why would I leave ika alive when I had him figured as the cop early day 1?

Haha. Its funny cause I said you were doing this when you kept bringing it up and now here it is.

Its easier to be sure in hindsight.
Conflicting interests on your team at night.
You are the SK so you want the cop alive.
Your teak was trying to hit the SK.
You are lying about having known.

Any number of these things, really.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3343 (isolation #86) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:30 pm

In post 3341, Titus wrote:My gut screams lynch pool AP dragon and egg. Logic says include Anen too...bleh.

Why egg?

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3346 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:40 pm

Ok I'm actually going to read some more. And by that I mean conformation bias more.

Pedit: I might.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3349 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:49 pm

In post 562, Egg wrote:Ika is acting weirder than wake in my opinion.

Too obvious to be a buddy imo.

so I'm going to try and sk hunt although I suspect that will be difficult.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3355 (isolation #89) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:19 am

I actually think Dragon is more likely SK than mafia at this point. There was one early post where he failed to mention any flipped scum in his reads at all. Titus, are you saying that the SK was trying to hit town when hey shot Garmr?

I am reminded why I thought ARS is town. SW had a few freakouts and emotional posts that looked really genuine. Also her snapclaim at one point pretty much means she isn't mafia. SK, maybe but I don't think so. Which unfortunately is going to be a bit of a motif as I think about people. Also don't really think all of Wake's interactions with that slot are coming from scum/scum.

KlingonCelt looked sort of town in their little spat but I have some hangups on Klingon's attitude and her 'not knowing' that this was an open setup. I kind of wonder if its group scum. I think Pisskop's SK-read on me looks legitimate maybe so I probably won't touch this slot Today but -could- be mafia. Klingon's push looks pretty ardent but I sort of hate it. Around 825. Also the townie that got NK'd accused Klingon of flailing shortly after that. 840 looks town though...unless she really was convinced wolf was an SK which Im having trouble thinking. 947 is interesting at the end. Drixx starts implying that people are slipping about Klingon being town. I'll see if he followed up on that at all. He is also explicitly calling her an SK. This -could- be a really elaborate attempt to get credit for bussing a buddy and making it look genuine. Not sure. Might be overthinking it. 977 interesting that Garmr also parrots this opinion.

Fuck it, its a townslot no takebacksies. Maybe SK. fuck me. no I dont think its SK. IDK.

Flubber is probably not mafia based on 913. Gotta say he does fit the bill for someone playing SK though.

I actually kind of like Shiro's backandforth with House a little bit 926.

Anen is still a townread. At the very least a not-mafia read.

Egg is also a not-mafia, but maybe-SK read. This is getting upsetting.

I could pretty much see Titus being mafia after reading Nikanor posts a bit. He did some scummy things after seeing the flips.

-----
Town: Ika, AP
Probably won't vote: Delta, Anen, pisskop

Probably not mafia: ARS, dramonic, Flubber

Thats kind of where I'm at hoping to keep pressingforward.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:47 am

In post 3356, 4nxi3ty wrote:dragonspawn - 3 - Titus, AngryPidgeon, Aneninen

Definitely the most bipartisan wagon this game, lol.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3366 (isolation #91) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:39 pm

I'm actually curious from an objective perspective, what the correct play is for SK.

I think shooting mafia in this setup is almost always the right play but I dont have math to back that up.

If the SK had at least a 1x BP shot then Id say that'd be less important.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3369 (isolation #92) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:46 pm

I mean you say that and I get that perspective, but I'm curious what the EV of each play would be in a vacuum.

Frankly I make senseto have shot garmr since he cast some sideways suspicion at me but never was loud about it.

I didn't though. Nor am I his buddy.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3382 (isolation #93) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:53 am

In post 3380, Egg wrote:AP, why pisskop? Is it still for King talking about how she plays as SK?

I spent most of my time reading around that segment waffling back and forth on thinking that she was being bussed, that the scumteam legit thought she was an SK, that her feelings were genuine, etc.

Gun to my head, I'm going to call the slot town. No takebacksies. I tend to think Pisskop's SK read on me is real. I actually understand why he thinks it (I think) and its something I would potentially agree with if I didn't know my alignment, although I think the tell in particular mostly only applies in single faction games. At least less so to SKs.

I strongly believe that Klingon was being genuine about her feelings. That doesn't necessarily mean anything about her alignment though, I'm capable of getting emotional as either alignment when things don't go how I want. For her to be Mafia, she'd have to be super convinced that ARS is SK which I guess is possible. I just don't think its likely though. Looking at the big picture from the slot, I think I see town. I can come up with scenarios where it isn't, but I think the simplest explanation is that its town for Pisskop's case, Klingon getting voted by Garmr and Drixx, and Klingon's whole nonsense about an SK in the game.

Also, gratz on the poker win! I really like playing but haven't found anywhere up here that I like playing at really. Im too used to Commerce and the Bike in LA.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3388 (isolation #94) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:05 am

Tarhalindur SK and NobodySpecial mafia.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #3390 (isolation #95) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:52 am

Haha

I really don't know.

I'm not getting any strong town signs from most people, especially since most of the game is lurkmassing. And that combined with the SK likely mucking up my normal approach to reading into posts is making me pretty uncertain about everything.

Titus grandstanding about what the SK would do in this situation is amusing me though. I wouldn't be overly surprised if Titus is scum of either sort.

Asking me to nail both scum slots would be like asking me to put an eyepatch over my right eye and hit a bullseye on a dartboard from 8 yards away.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:04 am

Why exactly am I an SK read for you?

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:56 am

In post 3394, Titus wrote:
In post 3392, AngryPidgeon wrote:Why exactly am I an SK read for you?

Many vote hops over the past two days, you looked as if you were townreading garmr, pushing an obvious town lynch today (pisskop), OMGUSing anyone who suspects you

What the fuck.

I called Pisskop town.

I don't think I've OMGUS'd anyone. And don't eveeeen say you because that is not factual.

I called Garmr a townlean. I was having some doubts about that read, although I know I never expressed them.

Your assertion that the SK would definitely TRY to hit town is 100% bogus. I disagree that that would be optimal SK strategy. Trying o base a case on what YOU think is optimal in a situation where its clearly not super apparent what is, is completely silly. If I were SK I would DEFINITELY shoot someone that I thought might vote me without giving too much concern to my read on them. Because in my mind, my read is not certain but their willingness to vote me is way more certain.

TL;DR: Poppycock.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:21 pm

In post 3397, Titus wrote:Wow mystical Garmr doubts... really? and I'm supposed to feel GOOD about that?

Its the truth.

Forgive me for trying to be open and honest.

Believe me. If you think this is a half baked attempt to dodge your case, you can think again. And again.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:25 pm

Also, if you really think I was TRYING to hit town last night. Why would I shoot someone in my "town lean" pile instead of one of the multiple people in my town pile?

That whole point just doesn't make sense, my doubts about Garmr aside.

p-edit: oh hi flubber. Impress me please.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:26 pm

Oh the other retarded thing is that SKs aren't town.

You know who might lie about their reads in the thread?

People who aren't town??!?!

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:28 pm

In post 3400, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 3382, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 3380, Egg wrote:AP, why pisskop? Is it still for King talking about how she plays as SK?

Gun to my head, I'm going to call the slot town. No takebacksies. I tend to think Pisskop's SK read on me is real. I actually understand why he thinks it (I think) and its something I would potentially agree with if I didn't know my alignment, although I think the tell in particular mostly only applies in single faction games. At least less so to SKs.

How exactly can you commit a tell to being alignment indicitive if you know by your own role pm it's wrong?

I talked about this at some point where I said that the tell is likel way more reliable in single-faction games, or for group scum. May apply less for SKs.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:18 pm

I think flubber is town

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:23 am

Man I have so many quotes to reply to but MS was being slow and now I'm mobile.

Pisskop clearly not reading the thread.

What are you disagreeing about dram?

Be my guest Titus, I have nothing to hide.

Re wake defense: yawn. Ya I defended wake. And if I'm being totally honest I probably would have done something like that as scum. Actually I probably would have ignored him as much as possible.

I don't think shiro is mafia. Could be SK maybe.

Is ARS on vla or something?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:41 am

So Im getting light townfeels from a few people, Texcat not really serving me any recently.

Guess I'll call Titus town

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:55 pm

In post 3467, Aneninen wrote:Details?

Wish I had more :S.

I misread Wake hard and I'm not feeling overly confident about my prior convictions.

Texcat is one of the few posters that just doesn't look -natural- or otherwise uninteresting to me recently.

I thought her last post about wanting to Mafia hunt so we don't "lose too many strong townies in the process" was scummy logic.

Someone else already mentioned that we have more information (Titus?) as a reason to do this and it looks like buddying up to that a little bit. Other people are being more haphazard and proactive, this sentiment is sort of fear-mongering, reactive, and sort of lacking in actual bite for lack of a better way to express it.

Also most people seem to not care too much about whether the person they are hunting is SK or mafia, they are just going for it. But Texcat seems pretty conscious about that.

I can forgive titus and egg for mafia hunting. They didn't posture about it, they just went through and started ISOing people / looking at votes. Which sure, gives mafia more than SK.

Don't hold me to my opinions though plz cause I dont wanna be wrong

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:10 pm

In post 3472, texcat wrote:
In post 3471, AngryPidgeon wrote:I thought her last post about wanting to Mafia hunt so we don't "lose too many strong townies in the process" was scummy logic.

That was not even close to the first time I've expressed that sentiment.

Why does that matter? If you are saying that I should have pointed it out the first time you said it, then I dunno what to say.

In post 3319, texcat wrote:My problem is that I'm still thinking that the SK is either Pisskop or Delta and they have both been playing pretty pro-town. Which makes sense. That's how a SK should play. But I'm not sure I'm ready to vote a pro-town player on the hunch that they're the SK.

and I repeated it in 3420 for Ika.

And "scummy logic" to hunt for scum doesn't make sense to me.
You might try to claim that a SK would prefer to hunt for scum, but it's going to be a hard row to hoe to convince anyone that scum would prefer to hunt for scum over the SK.

Underlined is my emphasis. Everyone is 'scumhunting' or pretending to at the very least. Except for wake I guess and you can see how that worked out for him. So yes, just because someone is 'scumhunting' doesn't make them town. There is cetainly good and bad logic to find scum. Some of that is jus that - good or bad. And some of it is scummy logic, or logic that I think is less likely to come form the mind of someone who is genuinely town. I cant believe I really have to type this out. I don't even know how to being responding to the part after what I underlined. Like mafia has to lynch town today. SK can do whatever their heart desires I guess. This isn't really relevant to what I said about you earlier. Did I call you specifically SK or mafia? Because I don't recall having made that distinction at all. I can see either at this point, really. I feel like I had something else to say but I sure cant remember what that would have been.

Im kind of drunk right now, my old roommate stopped by so we busted out some wine. Forgive me if Im being snarky or incoherent

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:47 pm

In post 3476, A Royal Saint wrote:
In post 3474, Titus wrote:I don't always tunnel. Tunnelling matches my confidence level. I deal with the conflict and tension to read people, the problem is we don't have buddies protecting each other anymore. The closest thing we have is scum and SK most likely protecting who they think the other is.

Anen and Delta cannot be buddies. 3 group scum have flipped.

Agreed. However Delta may be the SK protecting Anen. I don't see any reason why this would happen. Anen/Delta is something weird and I want answers.

Lol.

I doubt anyone is protecting anyone at this point in that manner.

If I were scum I sure as hell wouldn't do potentially scummy things based off who I thought another not-town might be, especiall when I know my guess could easily be wrong.

And SK doesn't really have any motivation to lynch town or mafia Today, and yes I know you think differently. But frankly an SK's primary objective is to survive and removing one of the other 2 kills out there is really beneficial in that regard.

-SHRUG-, but what do I know about theory of playing scum. Oh quite abit actually, thats like actually something I profess to be proficient at.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:08 am

ARS should be part of the town block IMO.

Woah ninjad, someone posting in this game?

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:00 am

In post 3486, ika wrote:titus whats your town block?
AP samd damned thing if we are all going to be here and apatetich shitholes we might as well try to push something

Ugh ok. Lets do this. How about we all list people and everyone in 2/3 of the lists gets in

I like gimmicky policies.

Spoiler:

Honorable mentions:
Pisskop isn't an SK, maybe mafia

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:01 am

In post 3490, A Royal Saint wrote:Hell no on Delta. Last time we did a game you screamed shos scum and I said he was town for the longest time.

I liked that game ^^

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:43 am

I don't see why you are all up in arms about the townblock when its really just reads bouncing off each other right now, lol.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:46 pm

In post 3520, pisskop wrote:Im not a fan of us getting obcessed with a townbloc when we have a largely naked wagon. Discuss this thing.

UNVOTE: ;VOTE: Shiro

Discussion began.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:19 pm

^ good question. But you are voting town so shove off

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:43 pm

Shiro isn't a doctor.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:19 pm

Are there any cases to 'get' right now?

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:01 pm

In post 3532, DeltaWave wrote:
In post 3530, AngryPidgeon wrote:Are there any cases to 'get' right now?

Are we just lynching at random now?

I'm asking you. Most of what I've seen Today boils down to "x and y" are likely scum with very sparse reasoning. Not that Im doing any better. I have yet to see anything erally compelling though.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:22 pm

Oh so Shiro is claiming scum. Cool.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:46 am

In post 3548, Titus wrote:No claims are real. We are in the twilight zone.

Haha

AngryPidgeon · Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:22 pm

Shiro's last post is bad.

Its got us down a trail of 2.5 pages worth of nonsense.

And I was under the impression she was saying that she was a VT and that my assertion was ~magically correct~\

Because being a doctor and being oddly half-assed about claiming is really anti-town.

But the attack on me otherwise is just terrible. Well its pretty bad either way.

Pisskop, please try to be helpful. Ika is confirmed town.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:30 pm

I may as well have a wagon on me. Titus has been wanting it and Delta keeps hedging about it.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:33 am

In post 3622, pisskop wrote:
In post 3613, AngryPidgeon wrote:Pisskop, please try to be helpful. Ika is confirmed town.

what? Thats all you got out of the conversation that happened in your abscenc?

I've been absent?

Is there any particular player you want me to comment on? I think your slot is likely town.

UNVOTE:

If I were looking at the ARS slot and just considering ARS, I would be ok with voting it. I really had a fair townread on SilverWolf though. I too think that ARS has been 'earnest' even if that makes me more inclined to believe hes town and not inclined to sheep his reads.

In post 3623, Titus wrote:@AP, Too many of my townreads like you. You areout for now.

?

Uhhhh
VOTE: Texcat
Because.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:39 am

I have a pretty recent and pretty strong not-serialkiller read on Delta.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:49 am

Actually UNVOTE: ; VOTE: DragonSpawn

AngryPidgeon · Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:21 pm

In post 3646, Shiro wrote:At least to me both his assertiveness that he will not be lynched and only nked early when he replaced in
And
his post saying that I am not the doctor and nothing else before I even say anything .
Seem to me like attempts to hint that it was him.

They were. Gratz.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:24 pm

In post 3650, DeltaWave wrote:
In post 3648, A Royal Saint wrote:Seriously I think Anen is scum Delta SK. Boom.

That's interesting. According to you way-back-when, I was Mafia because I was "protecting" Anen by not being on his wagon. (Ex. Post 2198.) You also called me Mafia because Drixx wasn't on Anen's wagon and I wasn't either. This was your Post #41, and now you're at Post #145 or so and it looks like nothing has changed with your reads, despite you being objectively wrong with your theory. It's not a matter of opinion at this point; there is no way that Anen and I can both be scum together. Therefore your case against me has been flat-out, 100% debunked according to this game's open setup. So what exactly is your motivation for tunneling so hard like this?

He thinks that you

know

anen is scum and dont want him lynched because you are scum. Yes it doesnt make sense, but Titus is lofting the idea around that the last two scum need to work together so anyone taking that seriously might start looking for this stuff. I mean my point that
a)the SK has no reason to protect mafia
b)the odds of being correct about a read and protecting them to an advantage are pretty low so why try?

AngryPidgeon · Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:24 pm

So basically I think that ARS is just misguided. I don't think he is scum here, but could be wrong.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:13 pm

Delta still town.

Dram could be scum.

kind of don't want to lynch dragon but I know I'm going to make the error decision regardless of what I choose wrt dragon :s.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:50 pm

Texcat prob still a good vote

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:55 am

hi guys

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:45 pm

In post 3677, Titus wrote:Throw in he was Wake's cw...

I dont see how this is relevant.

Garmr was voting Wake for most of that stint. Wake wasn't voting.

If you think that dram was a CW to wake, then who on the Dram wagon was the last scum shoving a CW? If you aren't going to say that the Dram wagon was led by mafia to stop the Wake wagon, then there is no point to be had here. The dram wagon certainly doesn't mean anything about his alignment relative to Wakes.

I'd buy that Drams early vote on Wake means hes likely not on Wakes team, but IDK. Dram hasn't really impressed me this game and I could see him being scum of some sort to be sure.

In post 3683, Titus wrote:@ARS, scum could just have shot SK last night since they likely had no clue they were losing Garmr. Scum buddy the SK to avoid death...

.......?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!
And scum know who the SK is because?? You cant keep making assertions based on how the SK and mafia will interact with each other ... when they probably don't have any idea who the other is more than anyone in this game. TBPH I can see the Freeko kill as someone potentially trying to hit the SK.

Whatever, I want to lynch someone in this group:
Pisskop, Dramonic, Texcat, ABR, Dragon.

Dragon I am really torn on after latest posts, but pretty willing to just finish that Today.
Dramonic dunked Wake and has gone back to being a lurksack. I might ISO TSO at some point. Not seeing any townsigns from Dram, could see him being SK or maybe mafia.
Texcat mehhhhhh MEHHHHH, more likely SK than mafia I think. Will probably ISO this since I've been looking at her cross-eyed all Day.
ABR is anyone really opposed to this? I don get townreads on ABR at all, especially not after Freeko turned up dead. Titus asserting that kill is a setup numbs my mind a bit.
Pisskop. Yep. Pisskop. Waffle Waffle, flippity floppity, *waves hands* I think hes mafia and mayyyyybe SK.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:50 pm

I think you will be waiting for a while.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:26 am

VOTE: abr

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:39 am

In post 3726, texcat wrote:Titus, with no teams left, I'm not sure how much you'll get out of future VCA.

Scum is scum sounds true enough. It's just hard with naked votes to do much analysis of the wagon.

Either. Probably mafia more likely though.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:58 pm

Ika is correct.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:30 pm

In post 3617, Shiro wrote:I.am indeed the doc and I protected ika all night

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:56 pm

In post 3749, Egg wrote:AP, I get that Tex's logic about why she wants to mafia hunt is wrong, but why is it scummy?

I didn't like the appeal to fear behind "we might have to lynch too many important townies".

Its just a combination of a few things, but I have a hard time seeing that perspective. I also really dislike throwing out that sk hunting would result in strong players getting lynched. Its just kind of a non-opinion but it looks really pro-town superficially. If that makes any sense.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:15 am

In post 3764, DeltaWave wrote:Ok answer mE this. Who here would support any of the following wagons? Abr ars dramonic ap

Lets just see who is up for what and go with the most popular wagon. No team scum are left and there are many townies still alive so scum have little influence in a pure democracy.

Yes no yes yes

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:49 am

In post 3768, Egg wrote:Dammit. I'm on Page 149. Gotta get a bottle ready

Of booze or milk

Trying to obscure PR claims is more pointless than it is anything else IMO.

In post 3775, texcat wrote:I must be mis-reading this? It looks like AP would support an AP wagon.

You read correctly. There is enough people who want to lynch me (or maybe Im just seeing it that way) and I don't feel confident enough about my reads to be indignant and fight against my lynch if it starts happening which it almost invariably will at some point if the game is still going in the nest 3 game Days.

In post 3776, Egg wrote:Delta, I like your idea. What if we ranked our lynch preferences and gave 14 points to top choice, 13 to second choice all the way down to 1 for last choice and then add up everyone's points and just lynch whoever has the most barring a cop or doc claim?

Town

AP
ika
Shiro
Titus
Delta
Anen
Egg
Flubber
A Royal Saint
Dragon
Texcat
ABR
dramonic
pisskop

Scum

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:09 am

Its so sad that Egg and Delta think I'm scum. I hope they feel silly after I've been calling them town all Day >.>

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:06 am

Im surprised you have Dramonic as so town. Although I guess thats because you think Delta is an SK.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:34 am

So far ABR is a pretty common consensus. Shiro disagrees on Dram although most like it.

ABR wagon ho.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:41 pm

In post 3790, A Royal Saint wrote:I second this. I just got done with an interview where I sold and communicated myself really well but tech differences killed it. :/
AngryPidgeon knows about job hunting and that will take precedence over something that takes 10 hours to type up.

<3

If you ever want to talk about jobs, I'm down. I just started applying to places aggressively and studying up on stuff again.

My last job was REALLY stressful and caused me anxiety that leaked over into all parts of my life. I've only recently come to terms with the whole situation and gotten a more positive outlook on things. I'm still a bit sheepish about the whole application process and I flatout hate some aspects of interviews (like being expected to lie about certain things). Stay positive, I know you'll find something!

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:56 am

In post 3810, pisskop wrote:Notice how I went from town with a legitimate read on him to his top pick for scum

Are you accusing me of OMGUS? Because if so, just say OMGUS instead of trying to make this look like a legitimate point against me.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:10 pm

@Pisskop: What happened is I find your posts scummy and my thoughts on your previous slot-holder are getting stale in continued input of more from you.

Your point discredits itself. A) I'm town and B) saying that my read changed on you (when its clear Ive been uncertain about it) is not a case. Or particularly interesting.

Texcat SK, Pisskop Mafia you heard it here first.

I'd still lynch ABR or Dram though so VOTE: Dram

Sorry Dram if you are town. QQ pew pew. People think you are SK and can you really blame them? Its not like you are getting lynched on policy like you seem to imply. Well ok you sort of are, but jesus christ if you actually posted a single thing that looked town motivated this game Day I might care to defend you.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:01 am

p much.

Blood for the blood gods. (That would be Fate and Kuribo)

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:33 am

Lol.

I was going to call bullshit on Titus but I was mobile and the thread was locked shortly after.

But Titus I want you to know that that was the most obvious lie ever.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:34 am

So are we going to lynch town again Today or are we actually going to lynch Pisskop/Texcat?

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:35 am

My selfvote is at the ready should everyone still want the former.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:55 am

In post 3849, dragonspawn wrote:Darn it. I was hoping they would hit one. How did they coordinate going for the two claimed docs? And yes AP Titus fakeclaim was obvious but it might have given them place to doubt

Not at all.

The correct play for mafia is to shoot the doctor. Which was obviously shiro and not titus.

the correct play for SK is ...well any number of things, but basically try and ensure survival by shooting
a) mafia
b) people who suspect you
c) people that are unlynchable.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:55 am

VOTE: AP

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:56 am

no one said that they did

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:59 am

But its not a pointless selfvote.

Im a fine lynch Today.

People suspect me.

Im going down at some point even if we DO find one of 2 scum Today.

Nobody is willing to vote my reads, consider me hopeful that I am vengeful in spirit.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:01 am

In post 3852, pisskop wrote:
In post 3851, pisskop wrote:
vote:AP

Also I wanna say ths is a setup for ika mislynch

Rather, the titus kill is

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AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:35 am

In post 3862, Egg wrote:AP/dragonspawn, were people really taking Titus's claim seriously? I thought it was an obvious attempt to save Shiro from the NK.

I dont think anyone had any time to respond to it, she did it during twilight. Ika went along with it, but it was VERY clear that he was just going along with the joke.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:39 am

Ika we aren't lynching a cop clear today.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:48 am

In post 3870, ika wrote:who said i investigated dragon?

You did? If you didnt then plz explain who you did investigate.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:50 am

Oh can we play 20 questions?

Does the person in question have an animal in their avatar?

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:56 am

Dude Texcat is the SK, ofc she returned an inno :S

What the fuck is ABR this game.

Like I don't even.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:04 pm

I have some walls to read :X

I could maybe see ARS being an SK. The titus shot would make a ton of sense for that. Still not sold on it at all though.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:33 pm

In post 3922, ika wrote:AP, im going to eb frank, pick read and stick with them. your constant change is honesly becoming more of a nucance if anything. I personalyl think your town but right now i want stances to be more hard set

I have barely changed my reads at all in the past game Day, especially considering this is me and not some random person. So, really Ika?

I even clarified that I don't think ARS is scum. And the titus kill is NEW information that COULD suggest that. So kindly shove off.

UNVOTE:

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:29 am

I could get behind a flubber wagon I guess.

Egg and Anen look really town.

ABR is useless beyond belief but I don't think that is scummy necessarily. Town I guess.

actually don't think ARS would kill titus as sk after some thought. Not going to lynch ars today.

Delta has fallen off my radar a little bit. Still town on him but wouldn't bet anything on that read right now.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:01 am

In post 3940, Egg wrote:Why wouldn't Royal kill Titus?

I think she knows it would make people suspicious of her.

So its kind of WIFOMy.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:56 pm

In post 3951, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3949, DeltaWave wrote:Let's take out AP today.

Okay, reasons?

Something something house was scummy something something

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:58 pm

Oh right ARS is town still thats cool.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:18 am

In post 3958, Flubbernugget wrote:Fwiw ap complaining about lynching a cop clear to want your lynch (also a cop clear) doesn't look good. Plus the self vote. Plus the other complaint about him I had that I can't currently remember

What? the only cop clear is texcat (assuming Im understanding Ika correctly) and Im not planning on voting texcat until a situation where the only scum left is the SK.

If I were voting Texcat then you might have a point here, but I'm not and you don't.

And commenting on my selfvote being scummy is SO last year.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:03 am

In post 3965, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 3867, AngryPidgeon wrote:Ika we aren't lynching a cop clear today.

is this not...

In post 3863, ika wrote:VOTE: dragonspawn

my results are town but dragons continued "wait on ika" is scummy at best. like your play doesnt take into account the fact that sk is is immune

also titus, you CC doc was pointless but whatever it would of been better if you just fake CC me as cop honestly

...in response to this?

Yes, and?

Please continue explaining how that makes me a hypocrite and scummy at all.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:04 am

In post 3966, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Who is cop cleared?

Texcat I believe although Ika is being indirect about it.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:49 am

Look Flubber I'm not stupid.

I'm not voting texcat today. I thought she was a likely SK but Im not going to vote for a cop clear. Not until/unless the only scum reamining is an SK.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:52 am

Drixx, Freeko, Texcat in that order I think

AngryPidgeon · Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:57 pm

Ugh this game is still a thing

AngryPidgeon · Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:08 pm

Ika you are too cute to be an outrageous angry drunk at this point. I miss Ika from Street Racers mafia, you were so eager and full of love. I used to be a better person too! Lets be awesome people again!

My attempt at being an awesome person:

Ok you clownfucks, we aren't lynching ABR probably ever because fuck that noise. Deltawave is being a MASSIVE troll and I'd probably just vote him off policy at this point cause Im done caring about the peanut-gallery tier comments from him, especially the ones regarding lynching me because LOL HOUSE WAS HOUSE.

God IDK. Dragon I guess is not a terrible lynch. flubber is also pretty much acceptable.

Still not lynching Egg. Texcat is off the table unless we are only looking for an SK. Ika is town. ARS is jesus I dunno I was hoping god would come down from the sky and tell me I was right to be whiteknighting this one for so long but all I get is more peanuts dropping on me from the chair next to Deltawave's except screaming about lynching Anen and Delta over me or whoever delta is scumreading. right I forgot Anen is someone Im sitll not going to lynch.

So thats pretty much where I stand.

VOTE: Flubber

Chugga Chugga, CHOO CHOO

AngryPidgeon · Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:03 am

Oh my god.

He investigated Texcat. I dont know why Ika is so bad at being straightforward considering hes straight (dats a joke) but he investigated Texcat. If you were reading the thread, you'd realize that.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:44 pm

I'll vote Flubber, Dragon, Delta, Pisskop at this point. Texcat is not lynchable if Ika is actually claiming a cop innocent on her which apparently Im the only person to think that. So IDK.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:46 am

Shut up.

You don't get to be a case-snob when the reason Im scummy is "Lol sorry but house was scum"

AngryPidgeon · Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:32 am

I miss titus.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:22 am

In post 4098, Aneninen wrote:Egg, AP, Ika, maybe ABR too (although I don't think the latter one will answer).
Post why Pisskop, Deltawave and ARS are town if you're townreading them, please! (You needn't repeat your reads if you've posted them recently, of course.)

I thought Delta's interactions with Wake at the end of Day 2 looked moreorless organic, making him not a wake buddy. His attitude/pride in general looks less like scum posturing and more like an overzealous townie to me who doesn't care that they've been uninvested. This read has gotten weaker for me though since he has done absolutely nothing interesting for like 2 game Days.

ARS is town because her predecessor was town. That has been the basis of my read on that slot.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:17 am

In post 4114, texcat wrote:I think PoE is a crutch that scum uses when they don't have any, you know, real reasons. You have not explained your process. You just say PoE. We've not seen a reads list from you. How do we know what reads you are eliminating?

This is like at least 50% of what I've been doing this game and something I pretty much always do as town.

Dragon is a bad vote, calling it now.

And no, townreading silverwolf or whoever that was is totally legit. She had way more readable posts than ARS does and ARS hasn't actually done anything scummy to overrride that.

Asking me to read ARS is complete bullshit and you should both feel ashamed. ARS is town. The end.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:25 am

Nothing shes doing is readable. Shes lurking because she has RL things. Im not buying that this is scummeta for her.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:26 am

WE ARE LYNCHING DRAGONSPAWN OVER MY DEAD BODY

Thank you.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:06 pm

In post 4108, dragonspawn wrote:A magic butt pixie promised me treasure

lmao

AngryPidgeon · Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:07 am

In post 4127, A Royal Saint wrote:Lynch me or not I don't care we have a billion mislynches.

Well actually, worst case scenario, we could lose the game in 3 mislynches. While thats not the most likely thing ever, its not a billion mislynches.

In post 4138, Egg wrote:AP, why was Silverwolf town? Why is Dragonspawn town?

Silverwolf claiming VT as she replaced out was a huge towntell in my mind. I realize that best scumplay is going to be to claim VT in this setup 9 times out of 10, but I think in that situation town was far more likely to do that as a last ditch "screw you I'm town" than scum is at a last effort to feign being town. I wouldn't even expect Silverwolf to think that this would get her slot townread as scum (or care at that point). It fits with the narrative of her wanting to show she is town as a last bit of effort to discredit KlingonCelt who she was in a fight with. 239, 501 and a lot of Wake's posts around this time make me strongly doubt that she is on Wake's team at all. I might buy this slot being an SK I guess, but I could say that about pretty much everyone in the game.

Dragonspawn is a recent read, but I'm buying his appeals about as much as I can. His whole attitude about being voted today and yesterday looks genuine to me. I see frustration that he is getting lynched again Today when him saying that he'd rather it have happened Yesterday makes sense. I'm not going to be able to explain this read well because its all based on me reading into the emotion in his response to being wagoned twice. 4113 looks like frustrated town to me more than anything. 3644 from Yesterday and the one after it look like town.

In post 4142, Egg wrote:I dunno. Scum don't usually call every one of their buddies town. They usually call one weak scum at a minimum.

I agree with this. That is something I'd do.

AngryPidgeon · Fri May 01, 2015 9:45 am

ABR, I love it when you talk dirty to me like that.

AngryPidgeon · Sat May 02, 2015 7:28 am

Wow, I didnt check this thread in like 24 hours. But we lynched the goon, hurray. I did think his interactions with Wake were a bit forced.

Ok, so we have an SK to find. Thats cool. That means we essentially have a named townie, 7 VTs, and scum.

ARS, I'mma let you finish but I was right about Anen being town

AngryPidgeon · Sat May 02, 2015 7:43 am

In post 4191, Aneninen wrote:I started being sure shortly after Day3 started that Ika was faking as a VT.

Ya this was occurring to me. I didn't say anything because 1) I wasn't sure and 2) I figured Ika was town regardless so I didn't care.

I still don't want to lynch Dragonspawn. I might lynch Deltawave.

AngryPidgeon · Sat May 02, 2015 7:44 am

In post 4221, pisskop wrote:You can tell he's town because he states the obvious.

What, I didn't tell you my real identity?

AngryPidgeon · Sat May 02, 2015 8:04 am

Pisskop was KlingonCelt?

I might have to reread her stuff, might be an SK.

Dragon is probably my strongest townread. ABR and Anen are town.

Egg and ARS are townreads, but not as sure about the.

Pisskop, delta, Texcat is kind of where I'm looking.

AngryPidgeon · Sun May 03, 2015 7:24 pm

In post 4251, pisskop wrote:we're looking at a player who can read PRs well, as scum or as a whole. Anyone?

You think the SK was good at PR hunting?

AngryPidgeon · Sun May 03, 2015 7:30 pm

@Pisskop: Ok, why dragon then?

TBH I'm mostly working off of PoE right now. I do hope that today is a bit interesting though since the SK is no longer able to fake scumhunting at all organically.

I think if any of my previous townreads is shaky, its egg. Looking back, I recall him doing a lot of mafia hunting. I know Texcat has as well.

Delta I just don't really feel strongly about and that is sinking him into PoE-ville. I am going to try and read the posts he referenced on Day 2 though. I guess I was in the game for most of that.

Also @Anen: I think you marked me as off the Flubber wagon? I was on that as well, lol. I can't let Pisskop beat me in the number of wagon-votes.

AngryPidgeon · Sun May 03, 2015 7:35 pm

In post 4255, Egg wrote:If I'd been SK hunting with mafia still alive

Well...yes? I don't see why that makes my thought any less valid. And obviously I don't think this is a really great tell since I know texcat did it explicitly and you can't BOTH be SKs.

AngryPidgeon · Wed May 06, 2015 6:14 am

I got prodded. Whoops. Let me read this.

AngryPidgeon · Wed May 06, 2015 6:36 am

In post 4273, DeltaWave wrote:I'm conflicted. I didn't think the "We" was a scumtell but I think DS's explanation is BS. lol

I don't really get how someone would think this. I mean come on. That's never happened to you?

In post 4277, Aneninen wrote:Scums tend to try to explain everything, no matter how idiotic the original reason is. Turning my weakness into my advantage is a thing I sometimes do. I thought, "noone would be surprised if I used a f-cking W as a scumtell, because everyone knows that I'm building up things out of nonsense things"... and still, Dragonspawn tried to explain that W...

Are you kidding me? This is the most blatant self-fulfilling prophecy ever. Of course there is a reason for the W being capitalized. People don't just randomly decide to capitalize words in the middle of sentences for no reason. You make a CASE on him for something that almost definitely has some stupid reason behind it and his giving the explanation is scummy because ?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

If you think he is town, then what the hell do you expect him to say? "Ya I have no idea how that happened, I guess my finger slipped when I was typing but I didnd't notice at the time?"

Come on.

come on.

come On.

AngryPidgeon · Wed May 06, 2015 6:51 am

In post 4289, dragonspawn wrote:AP why haven't you voted for anyone yet?

I was wondering if someone was going to ask

. I'm at the point in the game where I want to be cautious. Hilarious lynches on lurkers are probablyn ot going to be effective at this point. I'm thinking. I was tempted to join Texcat's wagon on Pisskop. Delta wagon I'm hesitant on; I don't think Delta is going to be my preferred lynch Today. dragonspawn wagon is terribad and I can't believe its still a thing.

AngryPidgeon · Wed May 06, 2015 7:02 am

I know, I'm just stunned that people are jumping on him for this when IMO its a really null thing. Like really really null.

AngryPidgeon · Wed May 06, 2015 11:26 am

In post 4299, Egg wrote:
In post 4296, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 4289, dragonspawn wrote:AP why haven't you voted for anyone yet?

I was wondering if someone was going to ask . I'm at the point in the game where I want to be cautious. Hilarious lynches on lurkers are probablyn ot going to be effective at this point. I'm thinking. I was tempted to join Texcat's wagon on Pisskop. Delta wagon I'm hesitant on; I don't think Delta is going to be my preferred lynch Today. dragonspawn wagon is terribad and I can't believe its still a thing.

Seems like a weird time to get cautious. I mean, I agree we can't be random lynching and shit but to be more cautious than you would normally in 8:1 feels weird.

Sometime in league of legends your team is ahead like 20 kills to 10 and is up a dragon. There is pretty much no way you could possibly lose. So you let your guard down and manage to all trickle into a fight against the enemy team one at a time, dying in turn. And ever since that point there is a perceivable momentum shift in the game progression and the enemy team capitalizes on their tempo and new-found doubts your team is experiencing.

No throws. You don't throw a game when you get to the 4th quarter. You make good plays to avoid giving an inch.

drunk post.

AngryPidgeon · Wed May 06, 2015 11:37 am

Holy shit this page is one of the funniest pages in a mafia game I've read in a while.

Ok I'm going to do some reading. I'm not totally ready to write Egg off and I'm worried because I think he could easily coast to endgame if e IS the sk. To be honest, I really don't know what to look for in an SK and that bothers me. Pisskop is also a similar concern of mine, largely because of Klingon being weird about the SK-slot. I want to look back at his SK read on me, since I remember thinking that was town but can't remember why.

AngryPidgeon · Fri May 08, 2015 2:04 pm

VOTE: Egg

Going with the good ol' gut on this one.

AngryPidgeon · Mon May 11, 2015 7:55 am

I got prodded. Today is my first day at my new job, so I'll be back tonight.

AngryPidgeon · Tue May 12, 2015 10:00 am

post. I'll say something when I'm home from work.

AngryPidgeon · Tue May 12, 2015 10:03 am

In post 4363, texcat wrote:Why does it not surprise me that the 3 people voting for me are my primary suspects? One of them wants me gone because I'm not going to stop pushing for them. And Delta remains at the top of my list.

Because evidently you are aware of your own inability to be unbiased?

Thats better than most people though, so kudos.