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Post Post #3325 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:57 pm

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In post 3319, texcat wrote:My problem is that I'm still thinking that the SK is either Pisskop or Delta and they have both been playing pretty pro-town. Which makes sense. That's how a SK should play. But I'm not sure I'm ready to vote a pro-town player on the hunch that they're the SK.


Just saw this. This is wrong. Protoen Sks get shot. SK should be scummy but not enough to be lynched to avoid nked status.
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Post Post #3326 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:06 pm

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Spoiler: Day 2 vcs
In post 2082, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.01

Wake88
- 4 - House,
Garmr
, dramonic, Flubbernugget
Aneninen - 2 -
Titus
, A Royal Saint
Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

freeko
- 1 - dragonspawn
ika
- 1 - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, texcat, pisskop, Egg, Shiro, DeltaWave

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: A Royal Saint, through Sunday, March 15;
Wake88
, through Tuesday, March 17

In post 2150, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.02
(unchanged)


Wake88
- 4 - House,
Garmr
, dramonic, Flubbernugget
Aneninen - 2 -
Titus
, A Royal Saint
Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

freeko
- 1 - dragonspawn
ika
- 1 - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, texcat, pisskop, Egg, Shiro, DeltaWave

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: A Royal Saint, through Sunday, March 15;
Titus
, through Monday, March 16;
Wake88
, through Tuesday, March 17

In post 2268, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.03

Wake88
- 3 -
Garmr
, dramonic, Flubbernugget

A Royal Saint - 2 - DeltaWave, pisskop
Albert B. Rampage - 2 -
freeko
, Shiro
DeltaWave - 2 - A Royal Saint, House

Aneninen - 1 -
Titus

freeko
- 1 - dragonspawn
ika
- 1 - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, texcat, Egg

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA:
Titus
, through Monday, March 16;
Wake88
, through Tuesday, March 17

In post 2372, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.04

Albert B. Rampage - 4 -
freeko
, Shiro, pisskop,
Titus


DeltaWave - 2 - A Royal Saint, House
Flubbernugget - 2 - dragonspawn,
Garmr

Wake88
- 2 - dramonic, Flubbernugget

A Royal Saint - 1 - DeltaWave
ika
- 1 - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, texcat, Egg

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA:
Wake88
, through Tuesday, March 17

In post 2464, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.05

Albert B. Rampage - 3 -
freeko
,
Titus
, Shiro

Aneninen - 2 - texcat, Egg
Flubbernugget - 2 - dragonspawn,
Garmr

Wake88
- 2 - dramonic, Flubbernugget

A Royal Saint - 1 - DeltaWave
DeltaWave - 1 - A Royal Saint
House - 1 - pisskop
Titus
- 1 - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, House

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17

In post 2531, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.06

Albert B. Rampage - 4 -
freeko
,
Titus
, Shiro, Egg

Flubbernugget - 2 - dragonspawn,
Garmr

Wake88
- 2 - dramonic, Flubbernugget

A Royal Saint - 1 - DeltaWave
Aneninen - 1 - texcat
DeltaWave - 1 - A Royal Saint
dragonspawn - 1 - AngryPidgeon
Titus
- 1 - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, pisskop

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22

In post 2720, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.07

Albert B. Rampage - 5 -
freeko
,
Titus
, Shiro, Egg, pisskop
Titus
- 5 - Flubbernugget, Albert B. Rampage, AngryPidgeon,
Garmr
, dragonspawn

A Royal Saint - 1 - DeltaWave
Aneninen - 1 - texcat
DeltaWave - 1 - A Royal Saint
Wake88
- 1 - dramonic

Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22

In post 2747, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.08

Titus
- 5 - Flubbernugget, Albert B. Rampage, AngryPidgeon,
Garmr
, dragonspawn

Albert B. Rampage - 4 -
freeko
,
Titus
, Egg, pisskop

Wake88
- 2 - dramonic, DeltaWave

Aneninen - 1 - texcat
DeltaWave - 1 - A Royal Saint

Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, Shiro

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22

In post 2844, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.09

Titus
- 4 - Flubbernugget, AngryPidgeon,
Garmr
, A Royal Saint

Wake88
- 3 - dramonic, DeltaWave, Egg

Albert B. Rampage - 2 -
freeko
, pisskop

Aneninen - 1 -
Titus

texcat - 1 - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, Shiro, dragonspawn, texcat

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22

In post 2917, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.10

Wake88
- 5 - dramonic, DeltaWave, Egg, pisskop,
Titus


Titus
- 4 - AngryPidgeon,
Garmr
, A Royal Saint, Albert B. Rampage

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko



Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, Shiro, dragonspawn, texcat, Flubbernugget

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22;
Wake88
through Tuesday March 24

In post 2967, Nobody Special wrote:
Votecount 2.11

Wake88
- 6 - dramonic, DeltaWave, Egg, pisskop,
Titus
, Flubbernugget

Titus
- 5 - AngryPidgeon,
Garmr
, A Royal Saint, Albert B. Rampage, texcat

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Flubbernugget - 1 - dragonspawn


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, Shiro

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22;
Wake88
through Tuesday March 24; Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15

In post 2978, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 7 - dramonic, DeltaWave, Egg, pisskop,
Titus
, Flubbernugget,
Garmr


Titus
- 3 - AngryPidgeon, A Royal Saint, Albert B. Rampage

dramonic - 2 - Shiro, texcat

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Flubbernugget - 1 - dragonspawn


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22;
Wake88
through Tuesday March 24; Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15

In post 3006, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 7 - dramonic, DeltaWave, Egg, pisskop,
Titus
, Flubbernugget,
Garmr


Titus
- 3 - AngryPidgeon, A Royal Saint, Albert B. Rampage
dramonic - 3 - Shiro, texcat, dragonspawn

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko



Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22;
Wake88
through Tuesday March 24; Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15

In post 3051, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 6 - dramonic, Egg, pisskop,
Titus
, Flubbernugget,
Garmr


dramonic - 3 - Shiro, texcat, dragonspawn

Titus
- 2 - AngryPidgeon, Albert B. Rampage

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Aneninen - 1 - A Royal Saint


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika
, DeltaWave

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Albert B. Rampage, "several days" from Tuesday March 17; Aneninen, through Sunday, March 22;
Wake88
through Tuesday March 24; Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15

In post 3075, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 6 - dramonic, Egg, pisskop,
Titus
, Flubbernugget,
Garmr


dramonic - 3 - Shiro, texcat, dragonspawn

Titus
- 2 - AngryPidgeon, Albert B. Rampage

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Aneninen - 1 - A Royal Saint
A Royal Saint - 1 - DeltaWave


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15

In post 3109, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 5 - dramonic, Egg, pisskop, Flubbernugget,
Garmr

dramonic - 5 - Shiro, texcat, dragonspawn, AngryPidgeon, Albert B. Rampage

A Royal Saint - 2 - DeltaWave,
Titus


Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Aneninen - 1 - A Royal Saint


Not Voting:
Wake88
, Aneninen,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15

Replacing
Wake88
, Prodding DeltaWave.

In post 3136, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 5 - dramonic, Egg, pisskop, Flubbernugget,
Garmr

dramonic - 5 - Shiro, texcat, dragonspawn, AngryPidgeon, Albert B. Rampage

A Royal Saint - 3 - DeltaWave,
Titus
, Aneninen

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Aneninen - 1 - A Royal Saint



Not Voting:
Wake88
,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15

In post 3169, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 5 - dramonic, Egg, pisskop, Flubbernugget,
Garmr

dramonic - 5 - Shiro, texcat, dragonspawn, AngryPidgeon, Albert B. Rampage

A Royal Saint - 3 - DeltaWave,
Titus
, Aneninen

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Aneninen - 1 - A Royal Saint


Not Voting:
Wake88
,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15;
Wake88
, til Tuesday

Prodding Albert B. Rampage and
ika
.

In post 3183, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 5 - dramonic, Egg, pisskop, Flubbernugget,
Garmr

dramonic - 5 - Shiro, texcat, dragonspawn, AngryPidgeon, Albert B. Rampage

A Royal Saint - 3 - DeltaWave,
Titus
, Aneninen

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Aneninen - 1 - A Royal Saint


Not Voting:
Wake88
,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15;
Wake88
, til Tuesday

Prodding pisskop, dramonic, and texcat.

In post 3212, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Wake88
- 6 - dramonic, Egg, Flubbernugget,
Garmr
, texcat,
Titus


dramonic - 4 - Shiro, dragonspawn, AngryPidgeon, Albert B. Rampage

A Royal Saint - 3 - DeltaWave, Aneninen, pisskop

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko

Aneninen - 1 - A Royal Saint


Not Voting:
Wake88
,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 18:49:13)

V/LA: Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15;
Wake88
, til Tuesday

Prodding Flubbernugget.


In post 3195, MathBlade wrote:VOTE:
Wake88

This acccount isn't playing in this game. Vote not counted.

In post 3247, 4nxi3ty wrote:
Lynch reached, flip shortly.


Wake88
- 9 - dramonic, Egg, Flubbernugget,
Garmr
, texcat,
Titus
, A Royal Saint, AngryPidgeon, DeltaWave

dramonic - 3 - Shiro, dragonspawn, Albert B. Rampage

A Royal Saint - 2 - Aneninen, pisskop

Albert B. Rampage - 1 -
freeko



Not Voting:
Wake88
,
ika


With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA: Shiro, through Wednesday, April 15
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Post Post #3327 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:14 pm

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ARS and ABR both take major hits on Day 2. Both vote me when I am counterwagoned with Wake.

The ABR wagon looks really townie.

The dramonic wagon started as essentially recycling of ABR but for Freeko. Yet that wagon was a counter to known scum.

The freeko kill is interesting but I think a frame job on ABR.
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Post Post #3328 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:33 pm

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VOTE: Dragonspawn

This is where I am most comfortable based on VCA at the moment.

Delta, pisskop, ika -- Strong town, near confirmed
ABR - Leanish town, would have liked a check here. Scum kill on freeko suggests ABR scum or scum want to frame him. Given we have the bodies and a semi-hidden cop (ika's fakeclaiming), we should let him go and be checked by a cop to ease paranoia. Scum will not get a frame in and ABR will be checked regardless. The fact no flipped scum got on ABR suggests they new freeko guilty was fake. One scum left so it's possible they got on ABR but unlikely. ABR's vote pattern on D1 was decent.
Anen- Drixx avoiding him D1 means lean scum.
dramonic - counter to Wake. Very likely town.
AP - Hard defended Wake scum based on him producing lots of content. Never really voted scum. Would lynch.
Shiro - Not a terrible lynch but less likely to hit scum.
Egg - Early on Wake. Lean town.
Dragonspawn - Not a major player but for cw to Wake. Red flag.
ARS - Scum or Village idiot.
Texcat - Early vote on Garmr. Moderate town read.
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Post Post #3329 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:34 pm

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Will elaborate more later as I gtg. But those are conclusions.
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Post Post #3330 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:34 pm

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I think we can all agree that AP is a good target for rope today.
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Post Post #3331 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:26 pm

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-shrug-

VOTE: Dragonspawn

In honor of Titus agreeing with one of my reads.

FTR, I dont think reading into the Freeko kill is a great idea. Could mean any number of things.
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Post Post #3332 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:36 pm

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@ika, Join me at Cafarelli's coffee shop. It's a nice new gambit I am trying.
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Post Post #3333 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:49 pm

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Oh so you aren't scumreading Dragonspawn?
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Post Post #3334 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:01 pm

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I am. Only ika and I are allowed at Cafarelli's.
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Post Post #3335 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:02 pm

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Which has nothing to do with Dragon.
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Post Post #3336 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:06 pm

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the cafe was about litchman and gallows shanigans so if we were to go there who are you
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Post Post #3337 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:08 pm

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Garmr voted wake, flubber, and titus on both days. He was bussing wake hard. Could he have been bussing his other partner as well?

If I'm scum, why would I leave ika alive when I had him figured as the cop early day 1?
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Post Post #3338 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:15 pm

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In post 3337, dragonspawn wrote:
If I'm scum, why would I leave ika alive when I had him figured as the cop early day 1?

Haha. Its funny cause I said you were doing this when you kept bringing it up and now here it is.

Its easier to be sure in hindsight.
Conflicting interests on your team at night.
You are the SK so you want the cop alive.
Your teak was trying to hit the SK.
You are lying about having known.

Any number of these things, really.
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Post Post #3339 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:18 pm

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In post 3336, ika wrote:the cafe was about litchman and gallows shanigans so if we were to go there who are you


I am Parker divided by four without being as confirmed. I am denying you own the coffee shop but we all know how much you love coffee.
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Post Post #3340 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:20 pm

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In post 3337, dragonspawn wrote:Garmr voted wake, flubber, and titus on both days. He was bussing wake hard. Could he have been bussing his other partner as well?

If I'm scum, why would I leave ika alive when I had him figured as the cop early day 1?


Instead of addressing the VCA, you come in with a discredit. Tsk. Tsk.

Why were you largely absent ftom major wagons?
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Post Post #3341 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:21 pm

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My gut screams lynch pool AP dragon and egg. Logic says include Anen too...bleh.
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Post Post #3342 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:25 pm

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In post 3340, Titus wrote:
In post 3337, dragonspawn wrote:Garmr voted wake, flubber, and titus on both days. He was bussing wake hard. Could he have been bussing his other partner as well?

If I'm scum, why would I leave ika alive when I had him figured as the cop early day 1?


Instead of addressing the VCA, you come in with a discredit. Tsk. Tsk.

Why were you largely absent ftom major wagons?


Because I found the reasoning for them to be nonsense.
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Post Post #3343 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:30 pm

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In post 3341, Titus wrote:My gut screams lynch pool AP dragon and egg. Logic says include Anen too...bleh.

Why egg?
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Post Post #3344 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:38 pm

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In post 3343, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 3341, Titus wrote:My gut screams lynch pool AP dragon and egg. Logic says include Anen too...bleh.

Why egg?


There was a bit of awkward buddying at the starts.

Forgot to mention I would not cry if ARS was lynched.
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Post Post #3345 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:39 pm

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In post 3342, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 3340, Titus wrote:
In post 3337, dragonspawn wrote:Garmr voted wake, flubber, and titus on both days. He was bussing wake hard. Could he have been bussing his other partner as well?

If I'm scum, why would I leave ika alive when I had him figured as the cop early day 1?


Instead of addressing the VCA, you come in with a discredit. Tsk. Tsk.

Why were you largely absent ftom major wagons?


Because I found the reasoning for them to be nonsense.


You could not find one major wagon you agreed with?
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Post Post #3346 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:40 pm

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Ok I'm actually going to read some more. And by that I mean conformation bias more.

Pedit: I might.
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Post Post #3347 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:41 pm

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In post 3307, AngryPidgeon wrote:Obviously, lynching SK is the optimal play Today, but potentially more difficult.

Agreed, but I have no idea how to start it. I'd say, one of the "Drama-making" players might be the SK, eg. Pisskop or ARS but I have no direct evidences.
Or should we check who's been paying too much attention to SK-speculations?
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Post Post #3348 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:45 pm

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So, based on Drix, here are some thoughts:
Likely not mafia: pisskop, ABR, dragonspawn, Flubber?, Tex, Delta
Maybe scum: Silverwolf, Anen, AP?, Shiro

Obviously, only one of his buddies is still alive, but if anyone from that group of four stands out after an ISO of Wake and Gamr and a few other things, that's probably where my vote will land today. The first group of six isn't likely to get my vote unless it's a SK vote. They just don't seem like Drixx buddies at all.

Unvote

Might try to do more but my eyes hurt and my fiancé might be coming back early. Her mom is in the hospital again for seizures.

Preview edit: So ika investigated dying players both nights? LMAO, ok. Titus, remind you of our "friendly neighbor" in Inyuasha? lol


This here. I am not included in his reads based on Drixx despite my slot catching a lot of heat early.

Also he's reminding me of games I hate.
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Post Post #3349 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:49 pm

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In post 562, Egg wrote:Ika is acting weirder than wake in my opinion.

Too obvious to be a buddy imo.

so I'm going to try and sk hunt although I suspect that will be difficult.

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