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In post 56, T S O wrote:We have a 33% chance of lynching scum straight off the bat.
This amuses me greatly.
Actually, there'stechnicallya 28.57% to kill scum, as 3rd party isn't so much scum as they are anti-town. 33.33% chance to kill anti-town, yes. That is amusing.
What the literal hell...
Spoiler: ...
Suddenly, a train breaks out of nowhere!
"I trust Cheetory" = lol.
VOTE: Varsoon Let's make waves, shall we?
Also, I'M SO HAPPY TO BE IN ANOTHER GAME WITH SILVERWOLF.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 67, Cheetory6 wrote:Ozgin. Listen.
I'm a trustworthy guy.
Get on board the trust-me-train and get this skybird wagon out the muthafuckin station.
ALSO WHY AREN'T YOU HAPPY TO BE IN ANOTHER GAME WITH ME.
UGH.
I am happy to be in another game with you! I'll be happier when I derail your train that's only riding on the "trust me" tracks, because that shit don't fly with me.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 74, Titus wrote:@Ozgin, it's RVS break us out like I am trying or quit bitching.
Oh no, I am trying as well.
I think something is weird about the way Varsoon went about voting. Not that it was "RVS" or "pushing for a reaction" or something, no, "trusting Cheetory." That's just fishy.
I mean, I'm all for pressuring potential scums, but the whole, "I'm doing this because I trust Cheetory!" rubs me wrong (giggity).If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 79, Cheetory6 wrote:Also <3 Boo. With a playerlist like this I'm hoping my usual melodramatic bullshit won't be a thing
Also also, you're feline-ish correct?
Cats are all about killing birds. Care to join this super duper awesome wagon on policy of sky being a bird?
P-Edit: I'm a trustworthy person Ozgin. Just look at me.
Look into my eyes o.o
Cheet, I have one games worth of meta on your under my belt, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture for you. I got my eyes on your eyes!
I also think Taly rubbed be wrong with the whole, "Why're you voting them? If you're serious, that is" reaction. It almost reads, "Why are you coming after my scum mate? You can't be serious!"
But I have trust issues because I have a broken home life and a bad history with women, so I'm probably just being paranoid.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 83, Taly wrote:Sky's question in 54 was quite frivolous. We haven't even seen House post yet, so making reads like yours in 61 and Varsoons follow-up of that in 62 strikes me a bit weird.
Speaking of your post 61 Cheetory
Why are you saying House is most likely scum, but you immediately place your vote on Skybird?
P-Edit
Ozgin, I'm a male. ._.
My bad history with women is unrelated to your gender, Taly. It's just a contributing factor to my inability to build and trust meaningful relationships with other human.
*Laughs*
*Cries*If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 90, Cheetory6 wrote:
But Ozgin.Ozgin wrote:Cheet, I have one games worth of meta on your under my belt, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture for you. I got my eyes on your eyes!
We've been through so much together.
How can you not trust me after all of the bonding we did in a scum PT!?!?
P-Edit: I think there's three atm.
Hoping for more, soon.
>How can you not trust me after all of the bonding we did in a scum PT!?!?
>trust me after all of the bonding we did in a scum PT
>all of the bonding we did in a scum PT
>bonding we did in a scum PT
>bonding in a scum
>bonding scum
Do you not realize how hard it's going to be for me not to be able to laugh and have fun at night with you in a QT? Being a citizen is lonely ;_;
@Silver - Same with you! I just can't imagine you as anot scum, and I don't object your wagon, I object the shady 3rd vote on your wagon, and feel it is grounds for a counterwagon. And of course my love for you is genuine! I'm not buddying you though, like I said,
Being a citizen is lonely ;_;
It's lonely, let's keep it that way. I can't be bogged down by all you sweethearts
P.S. - I just realized I'm still in the habit of making a wall of text and quotes out of every response. Shit.
EBWOP - Cheetory, I do have a better wagon. See your local votecount for information on how I can save time lynching scum for you!If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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Even if we assume he's doing the right action, his reason for doing it is shady.
Like, donating to a charity is the right thing, but donating to a charity because you'll get laid by some upstanding goody-goody Christian girl who digs that kind of thing is bad.
Also, I feel like Taly is over-analyzing, kinda digging for evidence that might not be there. Does anyone know if this is normal per his meta?If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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@Taly - Read some posts, I'd say it's fair to say you make a lot of long posts, but not so much using post numbers and such early game. It's moderately accurate to the little bit I've read, but meh, I still don'tlikeit.
I'm okay with pressure on House too, but I'm more okay with getting out of RVS.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 121, Cheetory6 wrote:Page five and House hasn't obvtowned yet.
Guys he's practically scumclaiming.
He could also be sleeping, working, eating, visiting a relative, visiting a neighbor, playing a video game, kidnapped, sold into slavery, or dead.
But nah, he's probably just scumtelling.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 139, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 117, Kitz wrote:I wanna see House post some. He's kinda supposed to be around methinks.
He'll probably make a post that make half the players gain a whiplash.
VOTE: House
OK so House hasn't even signed on yet since his first confirm post and these are the three votes I like the least on that wagon. I think Skybird did it to take pressure off of her wagon and that can come from either alignment.
Kitz expecting House to be here and saying he should be here is strange but she can be kind of strange. Kind of null on this.
lala-Yeah, jumping on the wagon here seems opportunistic and using and RVS reason to do so is meh, not a big fan.
I like Taly and Ozgin's unvotes here.
VOTE: la la duckie
See, it's funny, I'm using a Google Excel sheet to organize my reads based on the null hypothesis and alternate hypothesis:
Ho: Player = Innocent
Ha: Player = Not Innocent
Now, in my sheet, I have similar reads for lala and Kitz.
What disturbed me about the wagon was howfastit felt like it sprung up, but Egg got on House in RVS and Taly was on second only to unvote when the wagon flashed. Skybird hopped on it third, and what makes me inclined to against Kitz more than lala is the fact that it was literally 3 minutes after Sky, and that irks me. Then lala follows suit and votes 3 minutes after Kitz. I think what might tip the scale towards lala is that Kitz was prodding for posts (which is stupid because activity is not indicative of alignment this early on), and lala's reason is really stupid, some gibberish about avatars and a random fos.
I'm inclined to agree with Silverwold, VOTE: laladuck.
PEDIT:
@Cheetory, why don't you like my unvote?
@lala - Instead of apathetically shrugging off votes against you, why not do me a favor - Tell me why you think House is probably scum.
PEDIT2: @Boon - Stop perpetuating RVS and make reads, or don't vote.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 153, Cheetory6 wrote:Unvotes are showy.
Like "oo man look at how much I'm not voting for this person anymore" looks like you're trying to show everyone something rather than just voting someone new and being like "I like this vote better".
This made me laugh.Ozgin wrote:Egg got on House
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You stop that, you stop that right the fuck now. xDIf I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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EBWOP: Also, I unvoted because I wasn't sure where to move my vote to, but I figured it'd be hypocritical of me to vote someone near RVS with a pseudo-shitty read right before I made reads and called other peoples' votes pseudo-shitty, you know?
I was also working on my reads sheet.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 162, Varsoon wrote:Ozgin, I wouldn't consider 3 votes on someone in a 21 player game to be 'fast'.
Especially this early in the game.
Furthermore, I don't understand the suspicion you were throwing onto my slot.
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You don't think 3 votes in 6 minutes is fast? I mean, they had to have thought and concluded upon the previous votes, then typed out their vote and their shitty reasons (no offense guys) in only 3 minutes each (referring to Kitz and lala)?
It doesn't matter how early in the game we are,posting speedis independent oftime of post.
I didn't like that you mindlessly sheep'd Cheetory because you "trust" him. It was a shitty reason, even in RVS. At least I vaguely had a reason. Didn't you read my posts regarding you?If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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I just realized that "posting speed is independent of time of post" is stupid and inaccurate.
What I meant is that the fact that we're early in the game doesn't lessen the fact that 3 votes in 6 minutes (that's a vote for every 2 minutes) is really fucking quick.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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Lala, I concede that hedidpost in a Mini-Game, but it's still possible that he only had time to make one post and, rather than delve into a fiery large normal, decided to just plonk it down on a mini game?
Furthermore, if your alternate reason is "he's dangerous as scum," that's worse. Imagine you have a baby. That babycouldgrow up to be a terrorist. Andterrorists are dangerous. By your logic, you'd be inclined to murder your baby because he could become dangerous.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 178, Titus wrote:In post 172, Ozgin wrote:Lala, I concede that hedidpost in a Mini-Game, but it's still possible that he only had time to make one post and, rather than delve into a fiery large normal, decided to just plonk it down on a mini game?
Furthermore, if your alternate reason is "he's dangerous as scum," that's worse. Imagine you have a baby. That babycouldgrow up to be a terrorist. Andterrorists are dangerous. By your logic, you'd be inclined to murder your baby because he could become dangerous.
This type of language makes me want to lynch you. It's useless, inflammatory and really makes me not want to play.
@Titus: This type of language? What the hell, are you scared of rhetoric? Are you afraid of me putting holes in lala's logic by demonstrating the same logic on an extreme?
I don't think that, in a game based on language and logic, tearing apart someone's shitty logic is useless, nor is it inflammatory. And frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn less if you don't want to play.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 182, lalaladucks wrote:It takes <1 min to come and RV. Hmmmmmmm.
Why would he come in and RV then leave? What if he'd rather stick around to defend his points?If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 189, Varsoon wrote:
Ozgin:
Three votes in 6 minutes is fast for a smaller game. This is the first 10 pages in a 21 player game. Go look at other 21 player games, especially with multiball setups.
I agree that poor reasons for voting are poor.
However, my reasons for following Cheetory on the wagon were trust in both Cheetoryas well astrust in Cheetory's approach of applying earlygame pressure via a strong early wagon onto a questionable player.
If you think there's better reasons for joining into a wagon on early D1, propose them.
No one's done anything incriminating enough to warrant an actual-factual town-whole wagon.
In fact, every wagon will likely be a bit scum-sided given our teams.
So calling out people on a 3-person wagon is derisive and hurts game momentum.
Furthermore, your post against me tries to scumpaint me over lack of your own understanding. Just because you don't comprehend a motive or a post does not make the poster scum--it only speaks to your own perception. This forces me into assuming one of two things; You lack perception or you are trying to leverage a lynch onto me. I'd rather assume you're a good player. So, I've got to figure that you're aligned differently than I am or you're bad at the game.
So, that's why I called you out. I wanna see your feathers get a bit ruffled here. I want to see if you'll either prove to have made a mistake in reading me or if you'll prove to be someone that town needs to lynch.
P-EDIT:
I'm down for an Ozgin wagon~
VOTE: Ozgin
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Read my 156, where I told explicitly stated that my reads were shitty.
Then read your 62 where you mention literally nothing about "trust in both Cheetoryas well astrust in Cheetory's approach of applying earlygame pressure via a strong early wagon onto a questionable player.," then read your 136 where you say that you don't think the pressure is working, which contradicts that you trust the approach of applying earlygame pressure via a strong early wagon onto a questionable player. And I believe you only say that you don't think the pressure is working on House because you sense that the town isn't receiving the House wagon very well, and as scum you want to avoid that level of conflict.
As far as Titus' vote on me, her feelings seem to be hurt. . Whatever, I don't have time for crying over rhetoric, I have to go to bed so I can scumhunt while I'm awake tomorrow.
PEDIT: OH my God, here we go:
@Varsoon, I refer to myself as what I am, if I'm a citizen I'm inclined to say citizen. What a fucking mute point you generate here.
@SilverWolf, Yeah, it was a dark analogy, but it was an extreme hypothetical designed to test lala's logic. Just because it's an unpleasant scenario to think about does not degrade the fact that lala's logic fails in a situation where the same logic would be applied. I'm sorry if you're a bit offended, but it's merely a hypothetical and should be treated as such.
@Cheetory, How isn't it? I think you're just riding the popular opinion that it's unpleasant, not that it doesn't do what it's designed to.
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@Varsoon, Wouldn't the proper way to go about it say, "To those on the wagon, please say why you're on it?"
PEDIT3:
@Titus, It was completely prompted but okay. I think your naked vote and you playing to your emotions rather than your senses is worse than a little dark analogy.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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I like how this wagon began right before I went to bed, I'm glad I double-checked while I was updating my reads chart.
Good night everybody, this is a battle I'll fight tomorrow (which is good because maybe we'll hear from House and others who have yet to post substantial information!).
@SilverWolf - Does it matter that I'm "claiming" Citizen? Even if I were a town PR, I sure as hell wouldn't out as such. Citizen is my way of claiming that I'm town, if that's what you're asking.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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Meh, I'm feeling scumhunty tonight. I'm trying to change up my town game, because apparently when I was scum in 180 and posted long and thought-out reads I was read as town, so I figure that I might as well do the same thing when I'm actually town. My win-rate as town is literally 0%, and my win-rate for scum is literally 100%. I'd like to change that.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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Fair enough, but I'd argue that, even though he has experience as scum,in any given game, he is given a blank slate to make of it as he will, so to kill him because he might end up being scum is stupid logic by itself.
And I like how this all turned into a big distraction from that point - lala's reason was literally just because he "might" be scum. Any one of us "might" be scum at this point, we don't fucking have any lynches/flips/solid evidence otherwise.
@Titus - That makes no sense, how is my Citizen "claim" shit, and how am I being dismissive about it? And did I say that it's the default was of claiming town? No. I said it'smyway.
I know what I said, and I meant it.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 208, Varsoon wrote:Nope, I'm redirecting attention onto you.
Why are you now referring to your reads as 'town' when you were adamant to adhere to 'citizen' earlier?
I read the things you told me to read, but I disagree with your points.
I'm going to go ahead and restate--no wagon on lynch will be 100% town.
This is a 14-3-3-1 setup.
Your interaction with Titus is a real downer and I'mma have to side with Titus here.
It's D1, first 10 pages.
You've gotta grab onto the little footholds and build momentum.
Chip at the armor
All that noise.
En Garde.
The fact that no wagon on lynch will be 100% town isn't being disputed. You're trying to shift the point of your argument. You're moving the goalposts.
My point is that not only did I retract my vote and state that it was a shitty read, but your claim that you "trusted Cheetory's approach" of blah blah blah is bullshit because you never stated that, and even if it's true I couldn't have known that becauseyou never stated that.In fact, my second point is that your second post seemingly contradicts that you support building a wagon on someone to build pressure, because you'reagainstthe House wagon, which was allegedly started because people want to "pressure House" and "get a response from House."
I agree that you need momentum, but no vote should be truly random. That's just bad form. You want momentum or footholds? You read the little discrepancies between peoples' posts and the facts of the game, or between peoples' reasons and votes. That's how you build a good wagon on someone, that's how you make sense of the chaos that is RVS (in my humble opinion).If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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EBWOP - I referred to myself as "town" when discussing my winrate because I wasn't referring to myself in this particular game, I was referring to myself in every game (I've been VT, Townie, and Citizen all), and so I felt it appropriate to use "town" when discussing my winrate.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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Also, my last point on the Citizen thing and then I'm really going to bed, but I have myself written as citizen in my excel sheet (I have myself there because I just typed the list as the OP has it, and then I didn't feel like changing it after I already put my name in it, so I just threw down "Citizen, given" on my chart, and I've been using it as reference all game. Of course I'm gonna say "Citizen" when talking about myself in this game.
PEdit: Sorry Wolfie, I'm getting a little emotionally evolved and I need to pull that out of my thoughts here. I don't get emotional at all when I'm scum, and that's what you saw the most of with me in 180, so yeah of course you're not used to it. But that statement doesn't mean shit, my self-meta is useless and I'll leave you to your own conclusions.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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I agree on the end of the debate about it, it's silly.
I suppose I could concede the point that you meant or implied you trusted his pressure, but the statement "I trust Cheetory" just sounds empty, hollow, and meaningless.
And yeah, I was against the House wagon for that reason too, among other things (such as it being silly to complain about someone's lack of posting when there's a massive amount of things he can be doing in meatworld preventing him from doing so).If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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Spoiler: My final word on my analogy
In post 239, Egg wrote:Laladucks on Page 5 is engaging in pointless banter and ignoring everything else. Not a fan. Oh shit. Then joins the random pop up House wagon with no apparent reason.
Ozgin wrote: [/unvote] I need to evaluate this House wagon, because a four vote spring-up is strange, now that you mention it.
Can you give me a reason why this would make House town?
So I don't think the wagon breaking out on House makes him town, I just don't think it's a fruitful or valuable wagon. If House is scum and I'm derailing a scum wagon, then fuck me, I'm sorry. But my point is that the people on the wagon were just chirping random votes out, or votes with shitty reasons.
In post 244, Titus wrote:In post 242, dragonspawn wrote:So tso claims to be town off the bad and I vote for it in random voting and my reasoning is bad.
Ozgin claims to be a citizen and he's scum.
Not following the logic here. Though I certainly agree that claiming he was a citizen was unnecessary and odd.
Claiming town is whatever, people do it. Claiming a VT role is NOT something that happens every day is really anti-town. He said this was how he always describes town. No, if that was the case, he'd say he's a townie or town like TSO did.
See Titus, if this is therealreason you're pushing a wagon on me, then your point is, frankly, dumb. I explained myself over and over as to why I used the terminology of "Citizen." I'm not going to argue this point. If that's the point that gets me lynched, then scum will have an easy game. I'm not denying nor confirming that I have a power role, as I have said before. I know I've said this before because Egg picked up on it as well.
So can you tell me why you're voting me because of my word choice instead of lala because of her shitty tack-on to the House wagon?
Thank God, someone who was actually reading my posts.
In post 252, Titus wrote:@Egg, I was Wolf and Dragonspawn's IC on another site. I'll sometimes refer to Dragonspawn as Avatar (because that's what his name was on that site). Most of them kinda followed me over here. I kinda wanted to have a legacy of decent players in case I had to leave mafiascum. You know, leave the community better than I found it type deal.
Again, if he said "townie" I'd buy it. No one says, I'm avanilla townieout of the blue. Word choice is everything.
I didn't say vanilla townie, I said Citizen. Stop misrepresenting my posts. And as I just said, I'm not going to argue my fucking word choice, I've done it enough already and it's distracting everyone from the real points (like laladuck's scummy play).
In post 265, House wrote:11 freakin' pages, people?
Screw that. This game starts on page 11.
I think.
House.
If there is anyone.Who should read these 11 pages.Anyone.
It's you.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 283, Kitz wrote:In post 282, Taly wrote:Kitz what do you think about Ozgin, Lala, and Titus?
Ozgin seems to cut the wrong weeds with his selective charisma. But other than that, I think it's suspicious the way he makes a scene about "Citizen" this early. In fact if that's the reality, Scum just got -1 out of "process of elemination" list for PR and the opposing scum.
Citizen are supposed to be the meatshields, in a sense.
Lala is weird, but I find this odd.
Spoiler:
Titus is a null-lean with a slight town influence regarding the argument of Citizen claim by Ozgin, that she thinks he's scum.
However, I'd like to poke on the statement of "I expect everyone to be scumhunting."
The stance on House is also a bit questioning.
Kitz, I'm not the one making a scene about it. If that's a scummy play in your opinion, you're leaning the wrong way on the wrong person.
@Titus:
@Ozgin, Just because you attempt to discredit me does not make my reason for voting you a misrep.
I'm not discrediting you. You literally said that I called myself a vanilla townie, and that's not true. It's a literal misrepresentation of my terminology, which you seem to be obsessed with.
As for the shot (I'm assuming meaning shit) reasons on my push for lala, can you tell me why they're shit? Or are you just gonna throw a meaningless opinion with no supporting evidence?If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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@Varsoon - Lala hasn't addressed any point against him, he sort of just sarcastically shrugs off votes on him like, "Oh haha whatever another vote on me, look how much I don't care!" Then, his reason for being on the House wagon was literal shit (House/Wake similar Avvys, and because "House is probably scum"), which he hasn't elaborated on at all even though I asked him.
@Egg - You asked for a reason why my point would make House town. My answer is that it wouldn't. I don't know that House is town, but there's hardly any evidence at all against him. There's no reason to believe he isn't town, because he's made a whopping two posts (And at the time I was making my argument, one). I'm just saying that the House wagon itself is weird, and the people on it are worth looking into. You and Taly were on it in RVS, but the other 3 were the ones I was concerned about.
@Cheetory - A ProlapsedBrain vote? Whaaa?If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 295, Titus wrote:You said yourself that you usually don't claim Cit but generic townie.
I never said any such thing. Are you illiterate? You can't seem to properly read my posts.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 296, Cheetory6 wrote:
I'm a little wary that you didn't probe to try and find out Varsoon's intentions at all with a question or something to accompany this vote. I like the seriousness of this vote so early, but I dislike that it looks like you're not actually trying to sort what Varsoon is doing here. I'm leaning that this is lazy over scummy, but I'd like you to talk at me a little bit about what was going through your head here.Ozgin wrote:"I trust Cheetory" = lol.
VOTE: Varsoon Let's make waves, shall we?
The followup on this where you elaborate with Titus is okay, but the focus seems a lot more oriented towards explaining yourself and seems almost self-centered rather than actually interested in progressing the gamestate or sorting Varsoon.
So I made that vote and explained the vote in response to Titus (as you noted). I didn't dig into Varsoon because I'd rather have seen his reaction before asking questions. If he would have quoted me and said, "Oh, I meant that I trust Cheetory's plan to pressure scum." No, he didn't mention anything to the degree until he put his vote on me, and even then he said it was pretty much implied, and that it was my fault for not picking up on it.
I probably could have/would have/should have prodded him for answers, but I'd prefer a reaction first so I know what kind of person I'm dealing with.
The hedging here is a littttttle scummy.Ozgin wrote:But I have trust issues because I have a broken home life and a bad history with women, so I'm probably just being paranoid.
Ignoring citizen-claim-stuff for now.
The unvote on Varsoon just because he thinks the Housewagon is sketchy is weird. I feel like him finding the Housewagon sketchy shouldn't invalidate his vote so I don't understand why the unvote is at all necessary.
Because Varsoon hadn't reacted or replied at all, and I thought it'd be more worth-while to use my vote on someone that I had a better case on. I wanted to get out of the RVS, and my lone vote on the non-responsive looked like just that.
Also, could you explain the hedging thing to me? That whole post about trust issues and blah blah blah was pretty much a joke, hence my use of .
Why is this scummy?Ozgin wrote:what makes me inclined to against Kitz more than lala is the fact that it was literally 3 minutes after Sky, and that irks me.
In multiball with daytalk, I feel like Sky could have posted in a scum QT something like, "Hey lets go after House" and Kitz (and/or lala) could have been like, "K" and then just hopped on for no reason.
I guess I like that he's at least asking lala a question, even if said question seems pretty... empty. Heh. I guess it does eventually go somewhere so maybe I'm just feeling nitpicky atm.Ozgin wrote:@lala - Instead of apathetically shrugging off votes against you, why not do me a favor - Tell me why you think House is probably scum.
Well that's the only thing I can ask lala about at that point - The vote post had a vote, some dribble about avatars, and him claiming House is probscum with only one post.
Explain this more clearly please.Ozgin wrote:I figured it'd be hypocritical of me to vote someone near RVS with a pseudo-shitty read right before I made reads and called other peoples' votes pseudo-shitty, you know?
So my vote was placed in (and seemed like a part of) the RVS phase, and my point about "Trusting Cheetory" was not that great, given that it was RVS. As I was going through and calling out people on their "reads" (Like Lala's shitty point on House), I felt like my point on Varsoon wasn't that great, especially given that my read on Lala was much stronger.
Ozgin wrote:Lala, I concede that he did post in a Mini-Game, but it's still possible that he only had time to make one post and, rather than delve into a fiery large normal, decided to just plonk it down on a mini game?
I think it's a little scummy that you seem to care more about poking holes in lala's logic than it seems you do about actually sorting her. Why is scumlala more likely to vote House for those reasons than townlala?Ozgin wrote:@Titus: This type of language? What the hell, are you scared of rhetoric? Are you afraid of me putting holes in lala's logic by demonstrating the same logic on an extreme?
Well lala's response to my question was pretty much, "Oh because I'm scared of him, he might be bad later on, who knows?" Furthermore, I know that House is a scary player,both in town and scum.He could be a scum just as scared of townHouse (hehe, townhouse) or opposing-team scumHouse.
Why were you so quick to sling shit at me for making a joke comment on an analogy?Ozgin wrote:@Cheetory, How isn't it? I think you're just riding the popular opinion that it's unpleasant, not that it doesn't do what it's designed to.
Because I was admittedly pissed off about people getting angry at my analogy, and I felt that it wasn't that inaccurate of one to boot. It was probably a little lash-out, but I still don't think my analogy (aside from it's apparently offensive nature) was that bad.
This feels townish.Ozgin wrote:Meh, I'm feeling scumhunty tonight. I'm trying to change up my town game, because apparently when I was scum in 180 and posted long and thought-out reads I was read as town, so I figure that I might as well do the same thing when I'm actually town. My win-rate as town is literally 0%, and my win-rate for scum is literally 100%. I'd like to change that.
Okay.
This is why it's problematic that you postured on a vote centered around this instead of asking him about it. Because now it looks a lot like you're shifting the blame onto him for not answering a question that you never asked him about it.Ozgin wrote:even if it's true I couldn't have known that because you never stated that.
But my issue with him claiming he was trusting your methods as opposed to your vote was that he didn't articulate it, and thenhe used it as a defense against my vote that was already retracted.
Sh. I'm doing a thing don't butt in.Ozgin wrote:@Cheetory - A ProlapsedBrain vote? Whaaa?
It was just an observation, I don't know your "thing," but it made me curious, okay? I had to ask, at least.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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Sorry, let me rephrase.
@Titus - Are you even reading my posts? I don't think you are.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 302, Cheetory6 wrote:
Why wouldn't his lack of response make your vote stronger/give you reason to want to push him more? Wouldn't dodginess come across as scummy to you?Ozgin wrote:Because Varsoon hadn't reacted or replied at all, and I thought it'd be more worth-while to use my vote on someone that I had a better case on. I wanted to get out of the RVS, and my lone vote on the non-responsive looked like just that.
No, because someone's lack of posting (see House, for example) isn't necessarily scummy. Had he continued posting and ignored me, I'd be more inclined to think he's scum.
It's hedgey because you make points about people being scummy in your eyes and then walk it back with a joke about how you're probably just being paranoid. It basically brings you around full circle and makes it so you've said not much of consequence which could come across as coasty or showy.Ozgin wrote:Also, could you explain the hedging thing to me?
Fair enough, I guess the joke wasn't really that great. I was being too playful, maybe, but that was before things got as serious as they did.
Why would they do that though?Ozgin wrote:In multiball with daytalk, I feel like Sky could have posted in a scum QT something like, "Hey lets go after House" and Kitz (and/or lala) could have been like, "K" and then just hopped on for no reason.
It'd be easy? Back House into a corner before he gets around to respond, play on everyone being scared to combat House.
Do you think scared scum votes for someone they're scared of?Ozgin wrote:Well lala's response to my question was pretty much, "Oh because I'm scared of him, he might be bad later on, who knows?" Furthermore, I know that House is a scary player, both in town and scum. He could be a scum just as scared of townHouse (hehe, townhouse) or opposing-team scumHouse.
I definitely think scared scum try to do away with people they are scared of, one way or another. Whether or not it be by voting, night killing, or whatever. Think about how terrified we were as scum when TSO was making waves. Skilled players should be relatively revered, in my opinion.
Was I entirely open about why I made my vote from the get-go? If not, why am I not under the same level of scrutiny as Varsoon by you?Ozgin wrote:But my issue with him claiming he was trusting your methods as opposed to your vote was that he didn't articulate it, and then he used it as a defense against my vote that was already retracted.
I just picked Varsoon out because I didn't like his "reason." You weren't open about your reads, and you're highlighted in my excel sheet (not the same way Varsoon is, but still highlighted) so you're not free of scrutiny yourself, but your reactions and action as a player have pinged you as more town than Varsoon in my opinion.
In post 303, Varsoon wrote:That said, I really like the most recent back and forth between Ozgin and Cheetory.
Ozgin's very abrasive and feels like he's wheeling back especially in post 300.
I like Cheetory's push on me, as well. He's seemingly fair and level-headed about it.
Can you elaborate on how you think I'm wheeling back in post 300? I'm addressing specific posts Cheetory is asking me about.
@Ozgin: So LaLa's got a 'shit push' (I'd prefer you actually detail why the push is bad, which I've inferred to be due to the really bogus reasoning that if House isn't 'confirmed town' this early then he must be scum--I think that's absurd reasoning and the push on House is an attempt to drum up pressure, which is what I disagreed with before, since so much of the wagon was rooted in that bogus reasoning and House didn't seem to feel that pressure at all) and has reacted poorly to people's votes and questioning? That's a solid enough reason for voting there.
So if you agree with me, what's necessarily stopping you from voting lala?
Do you have other reads? Do you think that Scumteams would really pile on someone so much this early?
I do have other reads. I'll post more about my other reads as the day goes on, we've only been playing for less than one meatworld day. I want to gather more information, especially on the people who haven't posted as much and the people who are kinda pulling me two different ways.
As for scumteams piling on someone this early - Hell yeah, why not? If I were a scumteam, I'd be advocating any and every moving wagon, for a variety of reasons. Multiball makes me think that Scumteam X (1 or 2) would pile on a wagon if one of their own weren't the one on the wagon, because that's less competition and potentially less town. Plus it's early, why not ride these flaring emotions/early game fights out? Let them carry on as they would.
For instance, let's just say for arguments sake that lala is on scumteam 1 and I'm town (there, I said terminology you all like, happy?) and House is on scumteam 2. If we were the 3 primary wagons, then scumteam 2 would be happy to pile on either of my or lala's wagons, scumteam 1 would be happy to pile on my or House's wagon, and the town would pile on the wagon they think is the scummiest, which could be any of the three.
Then, since it's early, they can just make up excuses as to why they're on it, ranging from pressure to an actual read.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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EBWOP so I was thumbing back a little and I re-read the first part of your post where you say:
@Varsoon
I think LaLa is low hanging fruit. There's a general evasion happening where LaLa isn't really addressing worthwhile points being made against their slot.
Does that make it scum? Eh.
Feels more like path of least resistance.
I'd actually be okay with a lynch there since LaLa isn't providing much for the game.
And I didn't register that before I asked you why you aren't voting Lala. The question is still kinda valid, but let me also ask: Is dodging substantial points against yourself not anti-town? That is, do you really think it's not so much that lala is scummy as it is "less resistant" to lynch them?If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 311, T S O wrote:In post 191, Varsoon wrote:In post 185, Ozgin wrote:I'm going to bed, I'll be back tomorrow.
This game is heating up, and I kinda like it. This is the most excited I've been ever to play a normal game as a citizen.
You wanna talk rhetoric, I think it's awkward that you're referring to yourself as a citizen rather than town.
In most games, you're gonna be town. In this game specifically, you'd be a citizen if you were town-aligned.
So this speaks towards specific attention payed towards a claimed alignment flavor.
Which, to me, feels stilted, like you double-checked the OP to make sure you were calling yourself the right thing.
I really like this as a point.
I really like that we've argued this to the ends of hell and back, and it's a mute point and it's over.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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@Cheetory - I think that they are scared of house, and bringing a wagon to 5 votes (Nearly half) is one way to try to squeeze something out of him.
Besides, there are enough people here who got in late and won't read the first 10 pages, will take a look at the wagons, and make a face-value call. Every lynch has to start somewhere, so why wouldn't they just throw themselves at him now and hope for something to happen?If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 331, Cheetory6 wrote:
Gosh I just have to be upfront, don't I :cOzgin wrote:Uh, letting other people fight about their nonsense, and sitting back and cruising by?
Okay. So, what do you think House is going to look at first when he starts reading the game?
In my head, I imagine him first going "there is a wagon on me. Hm." and then looking at those votes. If lala and Kitz are afraid of House and they're scum, why wouldn't they be worried about him taking a closer look at them because of their votes on him? Why would they need to forge reasoning so hard for why they think someone is scum if they're capable of hunting for a second scumteam if they were scum?
That's a fairly good point. I guess I'm accustomed to people parroting being auto-scum, but I suppose it's a different case in multiball.
In post 356, lalaladucks wrote:So Wolfie's and Ozgin's votes for me were pretty good and seemed to be coming from a townish perspective. However, I don't like dragonspawn's vote for me.
In post 131, dragonspawn wrote:
forth on a wagon in rvs or close to it. Like that for scum better
VOTE: duck
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Why is being fourth on a wagon scummy? (Mine was actually the fifth vote on the wagon, but w/e)
In post 166, dragonspawn wrote:In post 163, Ozgin wrote:In post 162, Varsoon wrote:Ozgin, I wouldn't consider 3 votes on someone in a 21 player game to be 'fast'.
Especially this early in the game.
Furthermore, I don't understand the suspicion you were throwing onto my slot.
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You don't think 3 votes in 6 minutes is fast? I mean, they had to have thought and concluded upon the previous votes, then typed out their vote and their shitty reasons (no offense guys) in only 3 minutes each (referring to Kitz and lala)?
It doesn't matter how early in the game we are,posting speedis independent oftime of post.
I didn't like that you mindlessly sheep'd Cheetory because you "trust" him. It was a shitty reason, even in RVS. At least I vaguely had a reason. Didn't you read my posts regarding you?
Making a good point here. Speed might indicate a scum team pushing a wagon. After all they do have day talk
Promoting Ozgin's point, it wasn't even very good imo and it didn't require propagation. This looks like dragon trying to back up his vote on me, using Ozgin's reasons. Which strikes me as a bit odd and give me scumvibes. I already had the random vote from ~kitty~ and I believe dragon is likely scum and was capitalising on the situation by putting the second vote on me and starting up el lalawagon.
In post 198, dragonspawn wrote:I like the wagon I'm on better.
Por qué?
In post 200, dragonspawn wrote:In post 197, lalaladucks wrote:Eh, why not?
VOTE: Ozgin
Dunno if he's tryhard scum or tryhard town, will assume the former for now because his push on me feels calculated~
Thank you for reinforcing my point for me.
What point was that, dragon scum? I don't recall you making any legitimate points for pushing me as a dirty scum bumble.
In post 179, dragonspawn wrote:How do you know when someone posts in another game (I mean barring the obvious that you are in that game)?
And isn't it against the rules to discuss other ongoing games?
Trying to get me into trouble are you? Tsk, tsk, tsk. I didn't break the talking about ongoing games rule, Titus pointed out what we can and can't say.
In post 285, dragonspawn wrote:Taly,
Specifically, I don't like the way Varsoon and ducks have been pushing their wagons then when Titus votes ozgin they suddenly switch their votes in rapid succession. It doesn't feel organic. Especially duck.
Ahem... You know what I don't feel is organic? Your posts. They give me weird vibes mate.
In post 344, dragonspawn wrote:
This is probably the most townish post I've seen from you.
Course you need more than one post to get me to change your mind. I don't know whether you were just goofing off before or whether your scum buddies just told you to step up.
Oh, hello. Yesterday I was in classes all day and shitposting soz :/
It's the start of the weekend now but I have to go V/LA in under an hour.
I haven't considered dragonspawn enough, probably because he's been following suit right under me. I'm going to read dragonspawn again, especially now that he's apparently a wagon.
In post 410, Titus wrote:@All, I really don't care to lynch House. I would imagine him being more likely to fluff the point and terminate conversation, more of an "I agree to disagree" as scum. I could be wrong here, I admit that. Yet, this conversation is bogging down in theory. Theory is where scum should want to keep this.
So enough about lurkers. Enough about theory.
@Avatar, 373 is all theory. It's easy to get hostile about theory as scum or town. Let's get some wagons going and see how people react to them. Particularly obvscum Ozgin.
LOl @ "Obvscum Ozgin" - I'm still like, 75% positive you're literally only attacking me because you didn't like my analogy. Boo fucking hoo. Get over yourself, and get over the damn analogy. You're literally tunneling me on the premise of me claiming "VT", which is the stupidest fucking wagon. Either you're scum, or you're trying to throw this game.
In post 415, Titus wrote:@Taly, I plan to stay here until someone else scums worse than Ozgin, which I doubt is happening. That "Citizen" claim might as well have been a serious scum claim to me. The fact we could wagon House for not being here and being able to conftown himself but we can't wagon someone who spontaneously claims VT in the thread strongly suggests scum to me. I don't have a plan beyond brute force and listening to see if someone else actually provides a better case yadda yadda seven not town blah blah. The last time I caught scum during RVS with a similar thing, I was persuaded to let them go. My townreads then proceeded to get wagoned. It was town too that convinced me to back off because they wanted to hypothesize scenarios where the scum could theoretically be town.
He has been defensive and structured himself to discredit anyone who attacks him. Voting Varsoon yet attacking me is NOT a coincidence. We both saw it. We both jumped to the same conclusion. That's odd. I don't think scum!Varsoon jumps quick to the buddying thing there again, knowing I'll be checking him with a fine tooth comb if this shit comes up wrong. If you have got a wagon based on substance, you divert and you offer an alternative. Ozgin diverted attention from himself by voting himself and then tried to offer lala for shit reasons.
I wasn't really following NY 180 that closely, but I bet that Ozgin followed the same pattern.
So let me summarize this: "Boo hoo he made a distasteful comment and referred to himself as Citizen. He must be scum! Wah!" And you keep talking about discrediting anyone who attacks me? You've literally been drilling the same, retarded point about calling myself citizen, and then you cry about how I discredit you when you keep fucking misrepping me. I'm not attacking you, I've never even pushed on you! You keep victimizing yourself and it'sI also never voted myself to draw attention away from myself, so I dunno what the actual fuck you're talking about. So I reiterate my earlier point:absolutely, fucking pathetic of you, Titus.You aren't reading my fucking posts.My reasons for lala weren't shit, you're just hell-bent on tunneling me for one shitty reason after another. I don't care about you being dissuaded from voting your scumread early in a game for someone who claimed Citizen before, because I already explained that because I call myself Citizen doesn't mean I'm not a PR or something, holy fuck.
I haven't discredited you, you've only ever misrepped me. The one, half substantial point you have on me is my misuse of the term "Citizen," and if you can't get over that then I'm just going to fucking ignore you. I'm not arguing the citizen point anymore. Oh, and don't try to say I followed a pattern in a game you didn't follow,unless you want to keep being pathetic and misrepping me. Oh wait, that's your thing this game, isn't it dear?
In post 482, Taly wrote:Been re-reading Ozgin. Here are some posts that stuck out to me
In post 213, Ozgin wrote:Also, my last point on the Citizen thing and then I'm really going to bed, but I have myself written as citizen in my excel sheet (I have myself there because I just typed the list as the OP has it, and then I didn't feel like changing it after I already put my name in it, so I just threw down "Citizen, given" on my chart, and I've been using it as reference all game. Of course I'm gonna say "Citizen" when talking about myself in this game.
PEdit: Sorry Wolfie, I'm getting a little emotionally evolved and I need to pull that out of my thoughts here. I don't get emotional at all when I'm scum, and that's what you saw the most of with me in 180, so yeah of course you're not used to it. But that statement doesn't mean shit, my self-meta is useless and I'll leave you to your own conclusions.
What the hell? So you're claiming what is equivalent to VT because you had yourself written as it in an excel sheet? Also, what is this:
"I didn't feel like changing it after I already put my name in it."
So you were able to change your role? O_o.... Or you're not being honest with us?
In post 289, Ozgin wrote:
I'm not discrediting you. You literally said that I called myself a vanilla townie, and that's not true. It's a literal misrepresentation of my terminology, which you seem to be obsessed with.
As for the shot (I'm assuming meaning shit) reasons on my push for lala, can you tell me why they're shit? Or are you just gonna throw a meaningless opinion with no supporting evidence?
Have you read the flavor correctly? Citizens are equivalent to Vanilla Town in their abilities. Claiming as one is the same as the other.
If you were a "Citizen", thought you would know this.
In post 323, Ozgin wrote:Uh, letting other people fight about their nonsense, and sitting back and cruising by?
Yes because sitting back and watching fights rage on usually gets town lined up to be killed, that is - if both fighters are town... Unfortunately, I should know this because I usually get into 1v1s.
You haven't posted in the past 150 posts, your wagon has had a second spark added to it, my town read on you is failing and not entirely because of your townslip. Your posts don't appear as genuine, and maybe this vote will encourage you to add more onto this subject that'd help town.
VOTE: Ozgin
I never like naked votes, especially ones on the wagons that are moving.
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TSO, why are you voting for Ozgin?
The changing thing: I have myself on the excel sheet in row 13 on Google Docs. I can't delete a whole row to where the rows below it will move up, and I don't want an empty row because that fucks with my OCPD.
For the Vanilla Townie thing, my point was that Titus keeps saying I called myself Vanilla Townie, when I called myself Citizen. I know they'reequivalent in a usage sense,but me saying "Citizen" is just how I call myself regular town. And again, I'm back to arguing this stupid fucking point.
I haven't posted in 150 posts because I had company last night from 5pm onward, went to bed and I woke up at 10am, got a haircut, and am here now at 1pm. My wagon revived literally over the past like, 20 hours. This is that type of shit that I was saying with the House wagon - People have lives, and can't be on Mafia 24/7.
TSO is probably just trying to add pressure to me. I just don't get that there's a fucking wagon on me based on my "misuse" of terminology.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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@Egg - For fucks sake, I keep having to say it because people keep fucking throwing it in my face. Apparently, my whole case revolves around the use of the fucking word.
Fine, everyone. I'm sorry. I used "citizen" when I should have used "town." I guess I have to retract my citizen claim (even though I didn't mean it to be) because some people can't seem to get over the fact that it wasn't meant that way.
Now let me fucking read and scum hunt so I can stop getting shit for something so fucking retarded.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 331, Cheetory6 wrote:
Gosh I just have to be upfront, don't I :cOzgin wrote:Uh, letting other people fight about their nonsense, and sitting back and cruising by?
Okay. So, what do you think House is going to look at first when he starts reading the game?
In my head, I imagine him first going "there is a wagon on me. Hm." and then looking at those votes. If lala and Kitz are afraid of House and they're scum, why wouldn't they be worried about him taking a closer look at them because of their votes on him? Why would they need to forge reasoning so hard for why they think someone is scum if they're capable of hunting for a second scumteam if they were scum?
In post 339, dragonspawn wrote:In post 329, Boonskiies wrote:I'll join in this game tomorrow. Had a busy past few days. Also, on the dragon spawn to Ozgin thing, Ozginalwayshas a stupid pointless wagon on him, regardless of alignment. He eventually obv towns it up when he is town, so just wait and see if that happens later...Ozgin isnota day 1 lynch sort of person. Day 3, by all means, lynch him.
Thanks for the info. You're the best.
I agree that ozgin is someone we should observe. Last time we played he was pinging me like crazy. I'm not getting that now. Granted, it's still the first 48 hours of the game.
Radiant, if you're not going to play like a normal player and play like a fucking troll, then replace out.
Otherwise, do something fucking productive, will ya?If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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In post 559, Varsoon wrote:Ozgin, I'm flattered, but you're really scumpainting me hard. Almost every point you have is some hyperbolized reactionary insult to my points. What's worse is that you're digging hard into things I've grown from and moved away from as well, so a lot of your complaints fall awkwardly in places that just aren't applicable anymore.
Look, it's not like I don't get the motivation. You're being wagoned hard. You need to counterwagon someone and drive the direction of the game away from yourself or you'll be lynched. You're flailing. People notice that. Why not make a big post-by-post case on a player who's integral to your wagon? Big post cases like that earn town-points, right?
What's especially fun is that I called you out on your earlier outburst as a flailing attempt to diffuse your wagon. Your response--going for my throat as hard as possible--is just more of the same. You're trying to do whatever you can to shake people off of you, to change the direction of the votes.
Why are you so concerned with your own survival?
Why is your scumhunting reactionary and insult-driven?
Why are you bringing back up the Citizen nonsense with me?Spoiler:
Can you use more buzzwords in your posts that only (poorly) summarize my play so far?
I don't understand why you're voting me. Why are you voting me? Because we've already talked about my buddying plenty, which I've legitimately said is buddying. I don't get what your beef is.
I know you're jealous of me and my beloved Cheetory and Bookitty superbloc, it's okay. <3
Are you capable of understanding that someone can feel half-hearted about things and have their eggs in many baskets? Because when I say 'We need to lynch the SK' and generally advocate being aware of an SK presence, that does not equate to your fiction of me insisting on an SK hunt or only looking to lynch the SK on day 1. As it turns out, I can hunt scum and the SK all at the same time! I can try to form alliances and hunt scum all at once! I can change my ideas on things across time! Woah! It's like I'm an actual human being, capable of having varying interests and investments in multiple things, capable of change and thoughtfulness and even being wrong! Woah!
Ozgin, come on. I don't see a bit of genuine effort in your case on me. It feels half-assed. It feels like a last-ditch flail to try to distract from your wagon, or, at least, force a 1v1. I've been there before, myself. I used to sweat hard when I got a handful of votes in large games. I was too used to the small ones where six votes meant death. Six votes here isn't even halfway to lynch, though. So I want to know why you're sweating so much. I want to know where this aggression against me is coming from. Your points against me are all things I've addressed already, so I'm curious as to why you're insistent on revisiting those old conversations. I want this game to move forward, Ozgin. I believe that direction lies with your lynch. When you flail like this and make what comes across, to me, as a desperate last-ditch effort to survive, it only makes me more confident in lynching you.
VOTE: Ozgin
Y'know. For good measure.
If you aren't the cockiest motherfucker I've ever seen.
Your entire post is a patronizing piece of shit and doesn't actually provide any defense against my points other than, "I've moved on from that," and "I've addressed that," when in reality you haven't addressed anything. It's a big fluff post with you trying to sound all high and mighty, like you're so great. And since when are you an integral part of my wagon? My real pusher is Titus, not you?
Why am I concerned with my own survival? Isn't everyone? If my wincon is to eliminate scum, why wouldn't I scumhunt? Why does my scumhunt have to be because it's you specifically? You're just the scummiest ISO I've read.
My scumhunting isn't reactionary and insult-driven, it's perfectly valid. What the hell do you mean the points I brought up aren't applicable anymore? Everything you say in a mafia game are applicable! It's a game about finding scum based on what you say!
And I don't have a beef, like I said - I read ISOs, I thought you contradicted yourself a lot and were extremely wishy washy. This is just a flail? seriously? I'm still at like, L-5. I don't have to flail until L-2. Just because I'm trying to actually scumhunt, now it's about me trying to shake attention off? If I had built a different scum case on someone else earlier, it would have been fine! You literally complain about how abrasive I am and how defensive I am, I get offensive, and that's scummy now apparently too?
Jesus Christ, what do you need to be satisfied, you arrogant prick? Actually address some of my points in my posts maybe, and stop throwing around your high-and-mighty shitposts.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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Varsoon wrote:Woah, the laladucks wagon really folded into being a dragonspawn wagon, huh?
Even eclipses the Ozgin one.
Hm.
Wonder if there's any possibility of just folding over and going all in on one or the other.
@Ozgin: Don't be droppin' those ultimatums! This isn't Shards of Alara, bro.
Can you make a bulleted/numbered and simplified list? We can do this via spoiler entries so we don't clog the thread. <3
Step 1) Read my case on you, spoilered on page 22 with my vote.
Step 2) Systematically address each of my points, especially the ones that highlight your self contradictory statements.If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3-
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