New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Cheetory6]

I intend to.
Been trying to make a habit of taking notes earlier on in games to keep my thoughts coherent. Especially useful in bigger games.

[Ozgin]

I'm all good with putting some pressure on House.

VOTE: House

I wanna see House post some. He's kinda supposed to be around methinks.
He'll probably make a post that make half the players gain a whiplash.

VOTE: House

VOTE: House
Avatar easy to confuse with mod's.
Also probs scum.

OK so House hasn't even signed on yet since his first confirm post and these are the three votes I like the least on that wagon. I think Skybird did it to take pressure off of her wagon and that can come from either alignment.

Kitz expecting House to be here and saying he should be here is strange but she can be kind of strange. Kind of null on this.

lala-Yeah, jumping on the wagon here seems opportunistic and using and RVS reason to do so is meh, not a big fan.

I like Taly and Ozgin's unvotes here.

VOTE: la la duckie

See, it's funny, I'm using a Google Excel sheet to organize my reads based on the null hypothesis and alternate hypothesis:

Ho: Player = Innocent
Ha: Player = Not Innocent

Now, in my sheet, I have similar reads for lala and Kitz.

What disturbed me about the wagon was how

fast

it felt like it sprung up, but Egg got on House in RVS and Taly was on second only to unvote when the wagon flashed. Skybird hopped on it third, and what makes me inclined to against Kitz more than lala is the fact that it was literally 3 minutes after Sky, and that irks me. Then lala follows suit and votes 3 minutes after Kitz. I think what might tip the scale towards lala is that Kitz was prodding for posts (which is stupid because activity is not indicative of alignment this early on), and lala's reason is really stupid, some gibberish about avatars and a random fos.

I'm inclined to agree with Silverwold, VOTE: laladuck.

PEDIT:

@Cheetory, why don't you like my unvote?
@lala - Instead of apathetically shrugging off votes against you, why not do me a favor - Tell me why you think House is probably scum.

PEDIT2: @Boon - Stop perpetuating RVS and make reads, or don't vote.

[SilverWolf]

Yes. It's overly friendly and explanatory for this point in the game. *shrug* Nothing too strong but it doesn't make me feel good.

You've tried this on me before. Going after me for being friendly. I think you are going for the 71 let's push Wolf and see what happens. So I think we might as well get going here before House starts up with me for the same reasons.

Besides your vote for me and the above reasons, you don't seem to have much to say. What do you think about both the Skybird wagon and the House wagon and how they happened. Any of those votes bother you at all yet?

pedit: Cool, Ozgin is towning it up nicely. Good to see.

[Cheetory6]

Unvotes are showy.
Like "oo man look at how much I'm not voting for this person anymore" looks like you're trying to show everyone something rather than just voting someone new and being like "I like this vote better".

Egg got on House

This made me laugh.

[Ozgin]

EBWOP:

What makes me more inclined against

Kitz and lala more than others***

, I don't suspect Kitz more than Lala, they're almost identical except for the reasons for their votes.

[Ozgin]

Unvotes are showy.
Like "oo man look at how much I'm not voting for this person anymore" looks like you're trying to show everyone something rather than just voting someone new and being like "I like this vote better".

Egg got on House

This made me laugh.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You stop that, you stop that right the fuck now. xD

[Ozgin]

EBWOP: Also, I unvoted because I wasn't sure where to move my vote to, but I figured it'd be hypocritical of me to vote someone near RVS with a pseudo-shitty read right before I made reads and called other peoples' votes pseudo-shitty, you know?

I was also working on my reads sheet.

[dragonspawn]

@SW, I mean, I don't like Ozgin's unvote.
But hey, I feel like I'm going to suck at reading Ozgin until shit hits the fan so shrugs all around.

I tend to think cheetory is town at this point. He was alot more lurky last game.

I definitely was lurkier that game. Doesn't mean I'm always lurky as scum. I'm also o.o-ing you for not being more paranoid of me right now.

Everyone knows that "Cheetors" never prosper, so going to be taking a long hard look at Cheetory. That sounds suspiciously like some kind of mangled plural of "Cheetor" which is obviously an intentional attempt to hide "Cheater". I'm on to you Cheatory!

You got me, I'm the town cheater. I know who all the scum are. /smirk

There's content to sift through, which means I should probably actually think and write notes and stop being lazy.

No point to being paranoid this early.

[dragonspawn]

Oh, sweet. Game started. I skimmed real fast. Like real fast. Sup, dragon, how you doin'? Eh, house and Bookitty probably scum again.

VOTE: bookitty

Doing good boons. Try to stay alive longer this time.

Have house and kitty been scum buddies before?

[Skybird]

Let's hope we don't get mindfucked in this setup.

So what's 14:3:3:1?

This is why post 49 felt odd to me. Kitz you make a comment on the setup like you know what it is. Then you come back with post 49. Can you explain this for me?

[Kitz]

Kitz you make a comment on the setup like you know what it is. Then you come back with post 49. Can you explain this for me?

180 was a freaking nightmare, quite a lot of players here was in it so a subtle reference.

[Titus]

Yes. It's overly friendly and explanatory for this point in the game. *shrug* Nothing too strong but it doesn't make me feel good.

You've tried this on me before. Going after me for being friendly. I think you are going for the 71 let's push Wolf and see what happens. So I think we might as well get going here before House starts up with me for the same reasons.

Besides your vote for me and the above reasons, you don't seem to have much to say. What do you think about both the Skybird wagon and the House wagon and how they happened. Any of those votes bother you at all yet?

pedit: Cool, Ozgin is towning it up nicely. Good to see.

This is known multiball, so I'm not going to assume the best or worst of any wagon yet. I expect everyone to be scumhunting. It's day 1 and we aren't even at page 5. I'm not putting any stock at all in wagon analysis yet. I do like Skybirds #159.

[Varsoon]

Ozgin, I wouldn't consider 3 votes on someone in a 21 player game to be 'fast'.
Especially this early in the game.
Furthermore, I don't understand the suspicion you were throwing onto my slot.

:/

[Ozgin]

Ozgin, I wouldn't consider 3 votes on someone in a 21 player game to be 'fast'.
Especially this early in the game.
Furthermore, I don't understand the suspicion you were throwing onto my slot.

:/

You don't think 3 votes in 6 minutes is fast? I mean, they had to have thought and concluded upon the previous votes, then typed out their vote and their shitty reasons (no offense guys) in only 3 minutes each (referring to Kitz and lala)?

It doesn't matter how early in the game we are,

posting speed

is independent of

time of post

.

I didn't like that you mindlessly sheep'd Cheetory because you "trust" him. It was a shitty reason, even in RVS. At least I vaguely had a reason. Didn't you read my posts regarding you?

[dragonspawn]

Yes. It's overly friendly and explanatory for this point in the game. *shrug* Nothing too strong but it doesn't make me feel good.

You've tried this on me before. Going after me for being friendly. I think you are going for the 71 let's push Wolf and see what happens. So I think we might as well get going here before House starts up with me for the same reasons.

Besides your vote for me and the above reasons, you don't seem to have much to say. What do you think about both the Skybird wagon and the House wagon and how they happened. Any of those votes bother you at all yet?

pedit: Cool, Ozgin is towning it up nicely. Good to see.

This is known multiball, so I'm not going to assume the best or worst of any wagon yet. I expect everyone to be scumhunting. It's day 1 and we aren't even at page 5. I'm not putting any stock at all in wagon analysis yet. I do like Skybirds #159.

So, just curious, if everyone is supposed scum hunt, which makes perfect sense in the set up, what should we think if someone wasnt?

[Wake1]

'Harlequin Rasbora'

Trigonostigma heteromorpha

Vote Count 1.04

Aeronaut

Aneninen

Bookitty

Aneninen

,

Boonskiies

Boonskiies

T S O

Cheetory6

dragonspawn

Drixx

Egg

FA_Q2

House

Egg

,

Skybird

,

Kitz

,

lalaladucks

Kitz

lalaladucks

Bookitty

,

dragonspawn

,

Silverwolf

,

Ozgin

Ozgin

Prolapsed Brain

RadiantCowbells

Silverwolf

Titus

Skybird

Cheetory6

,

Varsoon

Taly

Titus

T S O

Varsoon

Not Voting:

Aeronaut

,

Drixx

,

FA_Q2

,

House

,

Prolapsed Brain

,

RadiantCowbells

,

Taly

Spoiler: Information

VLA

#

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Natural Action Resolution

Natural Action Resolution

Commute - {Commuter}
Blocking - {Roleblocker > Rolestopper}
Jailkeep - {Jailkeeper}
Protection - {Doctor > Bodyguard}
Miscellaneous - {Neighborizer > Friendly Neighbor}
Kill - {Mafia factional kill = SK factional kill = Vigilante}
Role Investigation - {Cop > Gunsmith > Role Cop > Vanilla Cop}
Action Investigation - {Tracker > Watcher > Voyeur > Follower > Motion Detector}

The '>' represents internal priority between the roles.
The '=' means that internal priority between the roles is the same.
All Night Kills have the same priority/speed.

Rules OP

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With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is 05/28/15, @4PM CT.

(expired on 2015-05-28 16:00:00)

1.00 | 1.01 | 1.02 | 1.03 | 1.04 | 1.05 | 1.06 | 1.07 | 1.08 | 1.09 | 1.10 | 1.11 | 1.12 | 1.13
Ozgin Lynch & Flip
Varsoon Death & Flip
2.00 | 2.01 | 2.02 | 2.03 | 2.04 | 2.05
Titus Lynch & Flip
T S O and Aneninen Death & Flip
3.00 | 3.01 | 3.02 | 3.03 | 3.04 | 3.05 | 3.06 | 3.07 | 3.08

[dragonspawn]

Ozgin, I wouldn't consider 3 votes on someone in a 21 player game to be 'fast'.
Especially this early in the game.
Furthermore, I don't understand the suspicion you were throwing onto my slot.

:/

You don't think 3 votes in 6 minutes is fast? I mean, they had to have thought and concluded upon the previous votes, then typed out their vote and their shitty reasons (no offense guys) in only 3 minutes each (referring to Kitz and lala)?

It doesn't matter how early in the game we are,

posting speed

is independent of

time of post

.

I didn't like that you mindlessly sheep'd Cheetory because you "trust" him. It was a shitty reason, even in RVS. At least I vaguely had a reason. Didn't you read my posts regarding you?

Making a good point here. Speed might indicate a scum team pushing a wagon. After all they do have day talk

[Ozgin]

I just realized that "posting speed is independent of time of post" is stupid and inaccurate.

What I meant is that the fact that we're early in the game doesn't lessen the fact that 3 votes in 6 minutes (that's a vote for every 2 minutes) is really fucking quick.

[lalaladucks]

lala-Yeah, jumping on the wagon here seems opportunistic and using and RVS reason to do so is meh, not a big fan.

Okay, but I'm gonna keep my vote there until he arrives ^~^

I'm inclined to agree with Silverwold, VOTE: laladuck.

One more for the party!

@lala - Instead of apathetically shrugging off votes against you, why not do me a favor - Tell me why you think House is probably scum.

He posted this morning in a TES4 mini game I'm also in but didn't even come to make a random vote/hi post here, I find it a tad suspicious. And he's very dangerous as scum so I wanna lynch him

[Titus]

Yes. It's overly friendly and explanatory for this point in the game. *shrug* Nothing too strong but it doesn't make me feel good.

You've tried this on me before. Going after me for being friendly. I think you are going for the 71 let's push Wolf and see what happens. So I think we might as well get going here before House starts up with me for the same reasons.

Besides your vote for me and the above reasons, you don't seem to have much to say. What do you think about both the Skybird wagon and the House wagon and how they happened. Any of those votes bother you at all yet?

pedit: Cool, Ozgin is towning it up nicely. Good to see.

This is known multiball, so I'm not going to assume the best or worst of any wagon yet. I expect everyone to be scumhunting. It's day 1 and we aren't even at page 5. I'm not putting any stock at all in wagon analysis yet. I do like Skybirds #159.

So, just curious, if everyone is supposed scum hunt, which makes perfect sense in the set up, what should we think if someone wasnt?

They are. If you think they aren't, you're misreading them or they are purposely playing anti-win con.

[SilverWolf]

Have house and kitty been scum buddies before?

Yes, that was the game I was talking about where I townread House for instigating shit with me all game. He, Bookitty, and T S O were scum and kicked ass. Town was dysfunctional as hell though. Still, they are all good as scum.

[SilverWolf]

I do like Skybirds #159.

Why?

[Ozgin]

Lala, I concede that he

did

post in a Mini-Game, but it's still possible that he only had time to make one post and, rather than delve into a fiery large normal, decided to just plonk it down on a mini game?

Furthermore, if your alternate reason is "he's dangerous as scum," that's worse. Imagine you have a baby. That baby

could

grow up to be a terrorist. And

terrorists are dangerous

. By your logic, you'd be inclined to murder your baby because he could become dangerous.

[Kitz]

That baby could grow up to be a terrorist. And terrorists are dangerous. By your logic, you'd be inclined to murder your baby because he could become dangerous.

Fearmonger of the year.

[Taly]

Skimming through this thread a bit more.

Less inclined to believe Sky is any type of buddy with Kitz, unless she's doing some good distancing. I see she is asking questions and getting conversation going, which is good at least.

I'm having difficulty choosing between 1 of 2 greater evils. Kitz and Lala. 141 <<< This felt like Lala was just breeding apathy over people voting for her. I want to see some useful remarks, specifically when someone is having suspicion placed on them.

A lot of Kitz's posts so far seem pretty fluffy, I can't get an accurate read - especially from her: 138, 146, and 160

So... Overall, not a fan of either. I feel like Kitz needs some votes here.
VOTE: Kitz

Cheetory, do you still think Sky is more suspicious than the other 2 people I just named?

P-Edit

Oh wow, 168 is not making me think Lala is any townier.

Considering that there are 2 scum teams, and possible a 1 3-p person. The odds that Lala and/or Kitz are scum seem quite likely.

173
Really don't like this post of Kitz either, don't like how she debunks Ozgins analogy without giving actual feedback over it.