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[Vedith]

Never fear, Vedith is here!

[Vedith]

As my opening statement I am okay with lynching Transcend.

[Vedith]

It's not really a policy but an act of love from my side.
I doubt I'll catch up 57 pages on day1 so a tldr would be appreciated.

[Vedith]

Is this true, Lore?

[Vedith]

That's not a tldr... but I'll work on giving those 2 posts a read.

[Vedith]

912 didnt convince me, and yes you were pulling at straws. Your entire case is how someone would act / speak face to face in that kind if situation. This is done behind a monitor so the Uh well shit is NAI.
WhyMafia on the other hand showed some opportunity to just go with the flow there.

I sure hope Lexa is town because 804 is a good post and not because it has a lot in it. Effort does not decide align.

[Vedith]

Is this true, Lore?

nope

well rhyming is fun and lapsa is IC.... one of those lines was a question not a true false statement. but i am not scum which is what i think you were asking about.

Who's Scum Then?

[Vedith]

912 didnt convince me, and yes you were pulling at straws. Your entire case is how someone would act / speak face to face in that kind if situation. This is done behind a monitor so the Uh well shit is NAI.
WhyMafia on the other hand showed some opportunity to just go with the flow there.

The reasoning had a lot more to do with Theta's overall passivity, along with what Theta's focusing on, than her word choice. Any thoughts on that?

I think it can be more of personality Trait.
It depends on what they are like in other games? Let me check.

[Vedith]

It depends on what they are like in other games? Let me check.

Yes, please do. I'd like your thoughts on them.

Sadly the only game I can comment on is

forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=71316

Although the posts start like this game, Theta gets pretty confident pretty quickly in that game. Now this could be just a difference from Newbie to large but most players are more confident on town because they believe what they are looking for.
As stated Theta's second post in that game is "uh am I Voting" so it shows that kind of attitude is a personality trait to an extent. However, you barely see the passive play and more of a controlling lead play to a level.

I'm not going to put someone as Scum for that reason alone as it could be from the size of the game to even having an important town role. I would like to know Theta's view on what has happened in the game so far though.

[Vedith]

Is this true, Lore?

nope

well rhyming is fun and lapsa is IC.... one of those lines was a question not a true false statement. but i am not scum which is what i think you were asking about.

Who's Scum Then?

i am in the minority in thinking mutton is acting pretty scummy, theta is on my list, transcend is acting pretty scummy for his last 20+ posts as far as not helping at all and posting basically nothing and he has been trolling from day 1, tchill is either scummy af or really bad and depending on the moment i swing back and forth between the two, idk about who else might be. im not really sure how many people would be scum in a game this size and its still only d1. platinum or the-spot-formerly-filled-by-platinum also seems scummy for the behavior they were demonstrating early in the game but i find it really hard to read RVS stuff for roles which is probably partially because i am a relatively new player. i just plan to keep an eye on them at this point.

Well if Mutton doesn't get an Avatar we should lynch anyway *hint hint mutton*
Why is Mutton Scum?
View on Gamma?

[Vedith]

Vedith's a scribe

Fuck you Lapsa!

[Vedith]

Yeah I looked at meta of Theta but I can't comment.
After I've discussed with Theta concerning this game I'll have a better idea to if I think they are Scum or not.

[Vedith]

Vedith's a scribe

Fuck you Lapsa!

Fuck you Vedith!

I was going to read your iso because an IC role is to post 10 times and be useless. Who's Scum?

[Vedith]

People I'm for lynching: theta, lore, pmysterious

People I'm not against lynching: penguin, abr, pisskop, gamma, crush

People I am against lynching: egg, Lexa, four trouble, Transcend, massive, Ginngie

People I can't decide on: whymafia, texcat

I'm sure you have reason for Theta, Lore and that other one. Why?

I'm not surprised to see ABR there, he normally gets himself on a lynch list. But let me ask this... Is the people not against lynching list purely because they aren't voting where you want?
You don't really need to answer I can look myself.

[Vedith]

Vedith's a scribe

Fuck you Lapsa!

Fuck you Vedith!

I was going to read your iso because an IC role is to post 10 times and be useless. Who's Scum?

Transcend

VOTE: Transcend

[Vedith]

That looks like a town Transcend btw.

[Vedith]

No he's still bad...

[Vedith]

Im sure that's why he's willing to lynch you.

[Vedith]

if people stopped pushing me on it i would not have to reference it
if this gets too bad i will replace out
i really do not like having to skirt the rules this badly just because people keep pushing me on an earlier statement

She threatened to request out on top of me already thinking she's scum because of the language of her posts. I agree with 4 trouble a lot on her.

What parts do you agree with on troubles posts?
Does replacing out mean Scum?

[Vedith]

Youve got it backwards

I want to lynch him because he is scum.

He wants to lynch me cuz I want him dead.

I'll never let him lynch you!

[Vedith]

Lore pushed me when they got a lot of heat and I was the easiest scum push.

What page was you the top wagon?

[Vedith]

Ginngie you're supposed to break the game, that's what you claomed. Why would I want you gone? Anyways I also heavily read egg and massive for how much they pushed me. So no pisskop voting me isn't why I'm not against lynching him

Why are you okay with lynching him Then? What did he do?

[Vedith]

I will get to work on your Leo's now

[Vedith]

Iso's

[Vedith]

Chilly I don't like.
So it starts with the fact that they

NEVER

explain their read. Very opinionated on who is scum and who's town, but never anything to back it or why.
Also feels like Chilly is awaiting approval before actions, or looking to push focus somewhere without leading it.
I don't know what to think of the Lapsa vote though. It's not as joke vote, but it's not a scum trying a sneaky lynch either. I guess that part is NAI and Lapsa just didn't see.

I don't get the Lore vote, says that Lore has a good enough reason but is wrong with doing it?
Lore just looks like an easier opposition to Chilly at this point.

998 chilly is even ask Crush to give reads as if he's not scum reading them.

If Trans is scum, Chilly is scum for me. This would explain the lack of voting there for me.

Chilly is just throwing un explained votes around like they are skittles. And when the fuck did Chilly stop scum reading Crush?
It's a very fake ISO and after we lynch Trans (town or scum *Fingers crossed for town*) this is where we should go!

Texcat hasn't got much to go with.
Talks about Chilly not paying attention with the whole "did I miss something" comment.
Other than the Lore vote which I don't really understand, I don't sere anything of worry with Texcat so far.

ABR is lacking the "Me, me, me" attitude imo, but I'm not going to pretend to read him.
It's a useless ISO to go with day 1, like I normally find.

I like Crush. Pushing the game, scum hunting, asking actual questions and not fillers.
Not giving excuses to not do anything.
Is clearly an Alt though.

5 mins then I'll do the others.

[Vedith]

Before you go - What view do you have on the game, if any?

[Vedith]

Lynching Theta now has the added benefit of saving the mod from having to find us a replacement.

That's not happening.

[Vedith]

what do you mean
if you mean who do i think is scum
i was not really able to dedicate enough time to sort this game

if you mean the flavor
from what i have seen it is pretty good

I mean on events, conversations, reactions from players.
Not just scum but what do you think has happened in the game with the other players so far?
I understand you haven't played very much, but I'd still like to know what you have to offer here.

[Vedith]

look through my iso
honestly if i noticed something it would probably already be in there

To be honest your ISO is pretty disappointing.
I wish you all the luck with your future games though.

[Vedith]

Gamma
It's a lot of shit posting to read. Gamma has a habit of just voting / gaining a scum read on someone that scum reads him.
I normally read Gamma wrong but I don't read him as scum. I don't see anything I don't like though.
I'm not sure why he got voted up quickly though.

Pisskop
Not a fan of the Gamma scum read early on on. The amount of games that Gamma joins, I can be confident in saying that you know what he's like in that concept.
Like the push with Trans though, it's a small constant hammering at him for hopping off Gamma.
Chilly vote is to a T but I don't think Pisskop pushed as much as he could have (until recently).
If it turns out multi I'd say keep an eye out for Pisskop. His scum hunting is real, but for what reasons?
Plus he's probably one of the more manipulative players here.
I'll never let you lynch him though!

Lore I'm going to look more at tomorrow as I want to go into this with more detail. This is town for me and I'll explain better.

And Lapsa - I'm not looking at the IC who has 164 posts sadly. I'll just take his word for now!
Lets just remember - Confirmed town doesn't mean confirmed reads.

[Vedith]

lmao nice juan
still scum young padawon
and no, that's not how tunnelling works
from bad players, sure
I develop lots of town reads from tunnelling
you're just being a scumfuck (bumbling)

Get an avatar you scum!
You're tilting me.

[Vedith]

Lets just remember - Confirmed town doesn't mean confirmed reads.

don't you dare discrediting me

Look! I'm trying, okay?!

[Vedith]

Never fear, Vedith is here!

Hey hey hey!
Now that you're here this is easy game easy money!
Also yay you and Transcend have the same avatar again.

We got this, Gamma!
Do you think Chilly is scum?

And yes, he copied me for some reason.

[Vedith]

Nope! Read TChill's ISO for why.

Let me ask again!
DO YOU THINK CHILLY IS SCUM, GAMMA?!

[Vedith]

Pisskop comes off as scum trying to get town cred when I flip town IMHO.

What town credit would he get from you being town?

It's a good play for a scum slot to do that after they replaced in... *cough* *cough* vedith

Meant to say theta. Vedith had just replaced in and theta had just asked for a replacement. I don't scum read vedith. It's null so far. He seems to be catching up.

Either I read this wrong or Chilly has messed up. He calls me scum in 1492, and clearly connects my slot to being a replaced slot, then changes his view in 1502.

The reason I read pisskop differently from egg is because there was a good bit of scum hunting from egg before his vote and pressure on me.

Talk to me about Egg more. Where do you feel he was scum hunting? What else has Egg provided for you to have such a strong town read?

Vedith why is mutton scummy?

Because he didn't have an Avatar

vedith, you said (implied) yourself this is town!scend on meta
vote someone you actually scumread, thatd be betta

VOTE: Chilly

He changed his friggin avatar to match mine again LMFAO

I had this since my join date...

It's day 1 and because it's day 1 I'm OK with lynching anyone I don't have a strong town read on so I can get some information out of where votes were placed on the lynch. While I'd rather lynch theta's slot or Lore I'm not gonna argue against any other player as long as there is a decent case against them.

He's happy to vote anyone more or less... Instead of looking for who's scum, where apparently a few names have already been thrown as scum.
This is not a town minded player.

After going back and reading crush's iso a few times I think he's a town lean for me. Vedith mentioned crush's iso seems solid which Is why I went back and read over it.

That's fantastic! I'll be getting onto my detailed reasons why later, what are yours?!

@ Vedith, thank you that you think I'm playing well, I think I'm playing awful so I don't get this read at all but hey. Also I'm not an alt, this is my second game of mafia ever.

Well, keep it up, vote Chilly and I'm sure we can be best friends!

I believe his scum game would be better than this.

Why do you believe this?

Unless we have a for sure scum vote I personally feel like penguin should be the one to go.

But Lore/Theta are more scummy in your eyes... What happened?!

What do you think about the penguin vote Mutton? Half as many posts as transcend who many people say haven't helped at all. Doesn't seem to be scum hunting whatsoever.

Post amount doesn't mean helpful. Someone with 20 posts can have more content than someone with 300.

HEY Y'ALL I GOT MORE SPAGHETTI WE CAN THROW AT THIS WALL TO SEE WHAT STICKS

Is Massive town?

cool but lore's scum

Lynch Chilly today and if town, I'll lynch Lore with you tomorrow!

[Vedith]

i was here first

we lynch lore first

But Lore is town.
Why are we lynching town?

[Vedith]

because lore is scum

Do you mean Chilly?

[Vedith]

Chilly?

[Vedith]

Spoiler: Vote Chilly, don't let this happen!

[Vedith]

inthis game he's clearly attempting to engage everyone and solve the game

He called me scum then instantly retracted it.
Get your head out of your arse.

[Vedith]

He is also pushing someone (PP) to be lynched over his top 3 scum reads.
That's not town. GTFO.

[Vedith]

Nah I think 4T is town

[Vedith]

tchill plays in a much more calculated matter as scum. i watched him play a game for 2months when i knew his alignment the entire time.

Link it.

[Vedith]

I also want other games you have read of his please, so I can compare them all.

[Vedith]

So you use meta on someone who doesn't have both aligns to view in?
The game you linked is a newbiw game.

Show me 5 people who play the same in a newbie game as they do in a large game.

Your argument is fraud and keep it up I'll actually believe you are scum with him.

[Vedith]

dude he's fucking obvtown please quit grilling me about this

Other than meta which doesn't exist, why is he obvious town?
What in this game makes him obvious town?

In regards to what I already said about him last night.

[Vedith]

pedit: his tone feels towny, his progression feels towny, i don't think he's fabricating any of his play. inconsistency =/= mafia. town can be sloppy just like mafia.

What does a town tone appear as?
What examples of posts are town tone?
Saying someone isn't fabricating doesn't warrant an obvious town statue.
Do you think I'm fabricating my reads?

[Vedith]

fuck u

just trust me

</3
If I was confident in you being town, I would trust you here.
However, I feel that I may need to take this into my own hands today.
If Chilly flips scum today, what's your view on the players than?

[Vedith]

Then.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Chilly

I might be conftable with not lynching Chilly today.

[Vedith]

I don't know man

I haven't considered scum!chill. My play this game has been engineered on town!chill.

Don't do that. Otherwise you will get side tracked.
Going by the reasons you've stated so far, you should not be having Chilly as obvioustown.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Gamma

Looking back, I probably took the whole thing a bit too seriously, considering that this is only the first day. I'll give out reads later.

Why should we not push a lynch on you?

[Vedith]

9. WhyMafia - i thhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnkkkkkkkkkkkk ttttttooooooooooowwwwwwwwn

What's town here, Trans?

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Gamma

Looking back, I probably took the whole thing a bit too seriously, considering that this is only the first day. I'll give out reads later.

Why should we not push a lynch on you?

I don't have the best reasons to give out for this type of question without making it seem like I'm being super defensive.

The question shouldn't just be a "why not", but more so a "why" and "why not".

To answer why you should push a lynch on me, I'm a weak guy and not exactly the most defensive, but that will also mean scum will likely jump on the wagon (and probably hammer me), making it easier to point them out.

For why you shouldn't, I am not the best player for a large playing group, but as the number decreases, I'm certain I'll get better (not just in the game, but also at understanding the players in this game).

I'm not interested in why we should lynch you. Regardless, there's no right answer there.
So you developed reads better over time? If you had to make a shot today on someone, kill them out right,. Who and why?
Also what is your understanding to what has happened in the game to date?

[Vedith]

Also what makes you think I have a defensive way of thinking

Really?

[Vedith]

My understanding to what has happened in this game is kinda hard to grasp, especially with so many posts (most of which I'm noticing contain some form of fluff). I'm not one for chaos, but this game has definitely started with so much activity (which is to be expected). This is why I am doing an ISO check on everyone in the game for my reads.

I understand that but as of now, what has happened in the game to your understanding?
This can include, claims, bad pushes, good pushes, wagons etc.

I just want to know what level you have been paying attention.

[Vedith]

Now, Lapsa being confirmed town was fine, but those that didn't see that had a legitimate reason to think that Lapsa was scum, based on how he was acting throughout the game, as there is so much fluff coming from Lapsa.

Do you think not seeing Lapsa as IC is AI? If so what side?

Now, the push on Lore is one that baffles me. Ever since really being near the top of the vote count, he has barely posted, despite being active for the first 3 days of the game. The fact he hasn't said anything gives me reasons to believe he is scum. Although, he has more than made up for it with a lot of words being put into each post since.

Why does it baffle you though? You say that it indicates more scum than not?
It does however, make me laugh that someone points out a valid reason while the people pushing for the lynch don't give any.
As you said yourselve, you can't always be on MS, why do you expect others to maintain regular posting to prevent being read (or considered) as scum for it?

[Vedith]

If you could elaborate on AI, then that would be most excellent (I'm not in with all of the terms yet). However, if Lapsa was not the Innocent Child, I would probably say that he is scum.

My apologies. I mean align indicated. The people who didn't notice that Lapsa was IC and voted, do you think it's more likely that scum didn't notice the IC and voted, town didn't notice and voted or it's too hard to say?
Keeping in mind we have no knowledge of scum having day talk right now.

As for the whole "baffling" thing, I'm saying that, because it's just odd to me. He really didn't start losing out on activity until after the Vote Count showed him high up on the poll. I can understand not being active if you aren't being pressured, but if you are, then it is best to stick around.

I don't think pressure on you should be the cause of activity.
You should be as active as you can / please regardless if people are calling you scum or not.
However, that said, it is more of a scum move to hide / ignore issues pushed at them. It's just not a deciding factor (which is why I like you haven't just thrown a vote down).

[Vedith]

Most of the votes on me were naked and/or completely baseless

And yet the people voting you won't give reason to why.

[Vedith]

is vedith pocketing lore?? find on next week on dbz!
but I think I've given plenty of reasons jeez

Of course I am, how else will I avoid a lynch?
Let me rephrase it... People are not giving valid or acceptable answers which they can discuss further in depth.
This includes you.

[Vedith]

So you want me to use this back and fourth as your case. Okay lets go for it.

1. yes.
2. bless

serious 2: tunnelling gets reads
after tunnelling you I've concluded you're scum, kapeesh?
3. that's not what strawman is and that's also not true
you didn't say annoying was a scum tell, and now you've said it's not scummy... so to sum up you voted me for something openly not scummy. cool.
all you've done is attack easy targets which is actually what I said
me with my join date before I started posting, t chill, theta... like I'm sorry attacking easy targets is the only way you can play as red?
and you haven't actually put any effort into pushing any of said scum reads
if you think I'm scum you should be convincing everyone, not being resigned to it... the hero town deserves but not the one it needs
instead you're just sitting back and occasionally popping in with words
4... no? not even a hint of truth in that statement. just abbunch of verbal turds

and look! you literally parrot my argument back at you! cool!
except one problem. that whole paragraph is awful and horse shit. fool.
I'm not passively arguing against probable mislynches. I'm vocally shutting down green flips
you are in no way an easy target, considering your play has been nothing even close to town and you're still here being a dip

Tunneling may or may not get you reads. To say it does is stupid.

You need to discuss more about the easy targets. Why do you find Chilly, yourself or Theta an easy target for a player like Lore?
Why would players like Texcat or ABR not be an easier push? Or even Trans who was the leading vote at this stage?
There are many people who could be considered as an easy push to one, but a harder push to another.

When I looked at Lore's ISO, I saw them pushing on you, and it wasn't just a pop in with a comment or 2. What is your idea of trying to convince everyone else? Being louder about it like myself or Trans have been today? Because I can tell you now, people push differently, and 1 way is not the correct way (If I misunderstood this part, let me know).
So I'm not sure what your argument is that Lore should be pushing you more, or what?

The rest is wish wash as it's poorly presented and badly opinionated. How can you say that Lore isn't an easy push when they have 4 votes, and the top voted had 5 with me sitting on a non serious vote?
You may think that Lore isn't playing as pro town, but that doesn't mean it's a majority rated opinion otherwise Lore would have more votes right now. This is why I wash this opinion off.
The part about parroting, means nothing to me but feel free to explain this more as I felt it was just commented to try and make a weak case stronger.

The only part you have which can esculate into being a serious and worthy read on Lore scum is about Lore going for an easy target.

So woo me with that part.

[Vedith]

Vedith,

did you change your avatar to annoy Trans? I'm not sure that's working, but it is annoying for the rest of us.

No! He copied me!
But if I did do it, I did it to show our love for each other!

[Vedith]

Also Tex - Who do you want me to vote for?
Would lynching Trans help with the Avatar issue that annoys you?

[Vedith]

Thing is I'm not usually super defensive.

[Vedith]

Also Tex - Who do you want me to vote for?
Would lynching Trans help with the Avatar issue that annoys you?

Or lynching you might help.

Penguin is most likely to be scum, but seems to have disappeared entirely.
My vote is on Lore. Lore started out bad, voting Mutton and being very wishy-washy about the reasons. She seemed reluctant to give reads and then said that her top scum were Crush and Gin 356. This was followed by her saying that she agreed with most of what Crush had said 365. She looks to me like scum who knows who the townies are and is having a hard time trying to make a case on known townies. So she's now sticking to her case on Mutton.
WhyMafia and PMyst are voteable.
Theta is stuck at null for me. Something seemed wrong with the way that FourT was pushing her so hard. He was even making up pre-flip association reasons for lynching her.

Finished work, I'll be back after the cinema.

[Vedith]

Manners, Trans! I raised you better than this.

[Vedith]

I quite like this Gin and Tonic lass.

[Vedith]

Scum don't want quick lynches.

That's not true at all.
The faster the lynch, the fast it goes to night phase, the less chance of us spotting scum.

Yeah, that's hilarious annoying. But at least I don't have to reread every one of his posts to see if it's him or Trans.

Why are you so angry?

fucking vedith man
shoot him.in the hand

This is where I'm at. Due to being lazy I haven't had a chance to over more yet.

Lapsa
Transcend
Lore
Crush
FourTrouble
Gamma Emerald (Keep in mind, I always get wrong, so most likely scum)

pisskop
Ginngie
Lexa
Egg

PenguinPower
PMysterious
texcat
New person
Albert B. Rampage

MuttonChopMagic
massive
Tchill13
Theta Alpine

WhyMafia

I'm fully against a Lore lynch.
PP I want reasoning to why. "Best option" is not a reason.

VOTE: WhyMafia

[Vedith]

fuck yeah

green tier bitches

however your red tier is a giant pile of what the fuck

Then tell me why I'm wrong.
Instead of just disagreeing, I want to know why.
Keep in mind, Chilly is questionable to move up, but I'm not convinced as of yet.
Other than that, I'm pretty confident with my red pile.

[Vedith]

Who are we talking about right now?

[Vedith]

I thought we were discussing my red tier?

[Vedith]

mutton's obvtown
massive is probtown
tchill's obvtown
i have no opinion on theta
i think whymafia is town

Explain why then.
I don't see it. I keep seeing people say that Massive is town, but no one has said why.
Mutton I don't feel it town at all and Chilly I partially agree.
WhyMafia is an opportunist fuck though.
Theta really showed lack of town tells on their leave and just appears to be a typical scum being over whelmed with a game and falling behind (since they aren't actually scum hunting).

[Vedith]

So you want me to use this back and fourth as your case. Okay lets go for it.

1. yes.
2. bless

serious 2: tunnelling gets reads
after tunnelling you I've concluded you're scum, kapeesh?
3. that's not what strawman is and that's also not true
you didn't say annoying was a scum tell, and now you've said it's not scummy... so to sum up you voted me for something openly not scummy. cool.
all you've done is attack easy targets which is actually what I said
me with my join date before I started posting, t chill, theta... like I'm sorry attacking easy targets is the only way you can play as red?
and you haven't actually put any effort into pushing any of said scum reads
if you think I'm scum you should be convincing everyone, not being resigned to it... the hero town deserves but not the one it needs
instead you're just sitting back and occasionally popping in with words
4... no? not even a hint of truth in that statement. just abbunch of verbal turds

and look! you literally parrot my argument back at you! cool!
except one problem. that whole paragraph is awful and horse shit. fool.
I'm not passively arguing against probable mislynches. I'm vocally shutting down green flips
you are in no way an easy target, considering your play has been nothing even close to town and you're still here being a dip

Tunneling may or may not get you reads. To say it does is stupid.

You need to discuss more about the easy targets. Why do you find Chilly, yourself or Theta an easy target for a player like Lore?
Why would players like Texcat or ABR not be an easier push? Or even Trans who was the leading vote at this stage?
There are many people who could be considered as an easy push to one, but a harder push to another.

When I looked at Lore's ISO, I saw them pushing on you, and it wasn't just a pop in with a comment or 2. What is your idea of trying to convince everyone else? Being louder about it like myself or Trans have been today? Because I can tell you now, people push differently, and 1 way is not the correct way (If I misunderstood this part, let me know).
So I'm not sure what your argument is that Lore should be pushing you more, or what?

The rest is wish wash as it's poorly presented and badly opinionated. How can you say that Lore isn't an easy push when they have 4 votes, and the top voted had 5 with me sitting on a non serious vote?
You may think that Lore isn't playing as pro town, but that doesn't mean it's a majority rated opinion otherwise Lore would have more votes right now. This is why I wash this opinion off.
The part about parroting, means nothing to me but feel free to explain this more as I felt it was just commented to try and make a weak case stronger.

The only part you have which can esculate into being a serious and worthy read on Lore scum is about Lore going for an easy target.

So woo me with that part.

I don't really care enough to argue mafia theory and prove you wrong so let's look at what you want
also, this was just the first lore post I found in my iso, it's not a case at this spot

texcat is not an easy target because the IC basically lock towned him
ABR is not an easy target because he's experienced and people talked about that then
trans is somewhat of an easy push, yes. probably the easiest outside of the players lore chose
but he at least has lots of games under his belt and clearly isnt as incompetent as the appearance of those

let's start off with his first post: Mutton Chop Man
at the time he pushes that, he didn't know I was mafia gods right hand man
I have a new join date, a self inflicted post restriction, and why that's easy to push is not hard to understand
and he selects his vote for something he directly states isn't a scum tell, grand

then, his other two "scum reads" emerge: theta and t chill
theta at the time was already being HARD pushed by 4t (as he's still)
theta had already shown to not be a great player as shown by his weak will
there was another case to latch onto and pile drive the kill

t chill is even worse and the definition of low hanging fruit
you yourself want to lynch him, but I bet it's not from anything lore said about
him, no, it's because especially at the time t chill had shown to be an easy ads target for town to shoot
if you want to argue he's a difficult push I laugh at you
oh, and most of the thread was scumreading him too

I think objectively theta and t chill are the easiest pushes in the game
I am not now, but initially I appeared to be the same
he hasn't done anything to convince anyone to lynch any of the three
you cite myself, sure, but he's stated he scumreads and yet accepted town isnt lynching me

I'm very aware you probably think you know everything, most mafia players do
but I'm not blindly tunnelling or ignoring the rest of the game or pocketed by transcend or what have you
he hasn't said anything to convince me hes town, not even close
and when I tunnel town I usually notice by now and am very verbose
this is not a town tunnel, it's defensive and scary
it's scum sad he got caught early and unmerry

It's not a matter of you don't care to prove me wrong, it's a matter of you can't. If it's not a case, then you have no case. Give me a case.

I can tell you now that the IC is being blanked more than they should be in this game. How can you argue that Texcat is not an easy push because of this? IC only has the same knowledge as us too, like I said, their reads don't mean right / wrong.
So yeah, Texcat is an easy push (at least earlier stage in the game)
Expierienced players can also be an easy lynch, even more so when they do nothing. What you are saying here is that majority of 1st day lynches are on players with less experience? That's incorrect.
Again, with Trans you are only going by experience to suggest who is an easy lynch and who isn't. This is why your argument is flawed.

The vote on you I take as RVS - There's no backing to the vote.
The scum read progresses (pretty damn well too) over time and you just make up manipulative reasons to discredit the read.
I'm still not convinced.

So if 4T is pushing this easy target, are you calling him scum too?
The fact that Theta was scum read by Lore, while others were too suggests that this was Theta coming accross early in the game rather than pushing an easy target.
If you mean that Lore was being an opportunist, then explain that to me, as that's different to what you are saying.

Chilly is a scum fuck in this game.
The only reason I'm changing my mind is because of looking into his meta (and I believe this is what Trans also saw).
Chilly is not low hanging fruit, if this was his only game, I would be shouting for his lynch. Why should it differ from any other player?

Theta is an easy lynch because that slot is scum, Chilly is an easy lynch because that slot is playing as scum.
However, both of these slots are no more easier to push than PP, Trans or Lore right now. So again, your argument is invalid.
And you can't say that you were an easy push, because Lore had a vote you on since the start.

If I knew everything, the game would be solved by now, so you can claim back that petty comment.
Tunneling is NAI. Regardless of what anyone says, both sides do it.
Tell me, what's the difference on tunnel town and scum defensive?

Just to confirm, this is what you have on Lore
- Pushing easy lynches
- Defensive

Did I miss something?

[Vedith]

Penguin is most likely to be scum, but seems to have disappeared entirely.
My vote is on Lore. Lore started out bad, voting Mutton and being very wishy-washy about the reasons. She seemed reluctant to give reads and then said that her top scum were Crush and Gin 356. This was followed by her saying that she agreed with most of what Crush had said 365. She looks to me like scum who knows who the townies are and is having a hard time trying to make a case on known townies. So she's now sticking to her case on Mutton.
WhyMafia and PMyst are voteable.
Theta is stuck at null for me. Something seemed wrong with the way that FourT was pushing her so hard. He was even making up pre-flip association reasons for lynching her.

Why is PP most likely scum?
He dashes in and out of the site a lot from what I remember.
Do you really believe that to be AI?
Or is it from his posts? If so, which ones?

Concerning Lore, do you think that the reasons for Lore's scum reads in 356 are false though? Or even forced reasons?
That's really interesting though, since there is no Crush posts in between these to suggest a change of mind. However, I don't feel that Lore is implying town here, but showing doubt.
Town can be pressured into giving a false read too, although the Crush read overall looks scum fake, not town fake.
Anything else on Lore, as you seem to be the first person to actually present a fault which can be entertained.
Why do you think Lore is trying to protest Trans as town, rather than just ignoring the read or just giving a shot answer?

Theta reads scum, but I want to see how their new body reads.
WhyMafia is voteable because they are not town to you or because of their play (opportunist fuck)?

[Vedith]

I already iso PP.
I want you to explain what's scummy about it.

[Vedith]

Oops hit submit prematurely.

Sounds like Trans life story...

I don't think I understood this question

I basically mean, why do you think Lore is calling Trans town earlier on in the game instead of not giving a read on him?
Since Trans wants Lore dead, of course.

Penguin locked onto Transcend on page 1 and checked out. He's done nothing but prodging since then. He occasionally will make a remark about the post or two above his prodge, but he isn't reading and he isn't playing.

I've seen town PP do this, I'll look later to see his posting habbits. Keep in mind I'm not saying this is a town thing from him, and I'm not sure where Trans is getting a town read from.

Concerning Lore, I think that Lore's later posts are what make 356 look false and forced.

Yeah I can actually see now.
Opinion on Lore's response to it?
Currently I'm prefering nervous scum in a large game rather than nervous town.

[Vedith]

Transcend is scum

Don't go down the road that Trans is and people just go "whatever".
If Trans is really scum, I can tell you now that we won't be lynching him today from these kind of comments.
Who else is scum?

[Vedith]

K but you're still mafia

well you've certainly convinced me.... thanks for this concise yet all encompassing argument




/s

Can you give me a scum team?
From the people you think are the most scum, give me a list of scum names (including people you town read less if you don't have enough scum names).
But I want who you think is the scum team from seperate actions or joint.

[Vedith]

are you asking me or transcend or both?

You.
You get to a stage in life where you give up on Trans... He means well, but his table manners just don't exist.

[Vedith]

mmk, i dont have that list worked out just yet but i will have it to shortly, finishing a couple things at work then i'll do it.

Okay great.
It's more of an "If I gave you a gun with just enough shots to kill Mafia, what names would you pick?" question.

[Vedith]

If i had a gun with 5 bullets (assuming there are 5 mafia because ??? idk i saw that number earlier and it seems as good a guess as any):

Where did you see 5?

[Vedith]

Massive, if Tchill's scum, who do you think the others are? Let's assume there's 5 of 'em for analysis-sake.

this

I'm satisfied with that.
Lore can stay town.

[Vedith]

Now that's out of the way we should focus on lynching WhyMafia.
Give your objections and say why otherwise get to voting.

[Vedith]

What do you mean?

[Vedith]

Do you mean a case? Nope.
I have mentioned him but I can provide a case if that's what you are requesting. Other than him being an Oppornist.

[Vedith]

Im not at a PC right now so I'm not quoting however...
WhyMafia lacks any real content or Scum hunting. When I was originally speaking with Pisskop, WhyMafia pinged me as Oppornist for his ridicules vote. Every time WhyMafia speaks about a player being Scum it's more of a question to try an see a general opinion or just very passive.
I have no understanding of what level WhyMafia has with the game and like I just said, he has no content including moving the game forward or resolving.
I'll have to go over the posts with Scum calling or voting which may explain it better.

[Vedith]

Ok, five days off work starting tomorrow. I'll be back to normal then.

That sounds eggcellent!

[Vedith]

Vedith, why not lynch Theta?

I prefer not lynching a spot that's replaced out and not filled.

[Vedith]

That made me laugh, Chilly
But Lore is still town.

[Vedith]

Why am I wrong here?

[Vedith]

Btw I appreciate that you are studying and that is why I never commented on your activity.

[Vedith]

I have no hard scumreads this game
Thinking this might be multiball based on that

If it is I think Pisskop is Scum.
Until proof it is though I'll keep him as more town.

[Vedith]

Hope it went well.
I'd appreciate reads on Massive and Mutton when you have a chance to re read their ISO

[Vedith]

Because it's you.

[Vedith]

You're not even close to my lunch pool.
Why so defensive over it, Pisskop?

[Vedith]

You seem to be panicking as if you know it's multi ball, all I'm saying.
I already stated earlier in my iso that if it's multi I'll consider you as Scum. Why did you not react then?
I'll tell you Why, because I was voting Chilly and you had a benefit to not get defensive.

[Vedith]

Im asking you why youre pushing this with no clear evidence for it.

Its not really like you to make moves like this without

something

to back it up. This game is replete with evidence of your thoroughness, yet this is entirely speculation from you/

It's not a push.
A push would be me saying we should lynch you encase

[Vedith]

So in addition to speculative reads and softing lynches, youve now taken to claiming narrative based on things that didnt happen?

thats a bad look vedith.

Did you just honestly give yourself and multi ball away?

[Vedith]

Where did I say 'push'?

Youre the one acting weird now vedith.

Consider this an fos

1857
You said pushing.

You can fos me all you like you just dropped the ball.

[Vedith]

Duh I said pushing.

Im positive you know the difference between 'push' ala mafia terminology, and pushing in the context I mentioned it.

Is this really your argument?
I do however, like how you went back, read that you said pushing then try and change it

[Vedith]

You're questions were answered.
But I'm really not worried over you, I can promise you that.

[Vedith]

Transcend will probably flip town.

That's why we're not lynching him.
Thanks for the input though.

[Vedith]

That game doesn't exist!

[Vedith]

That game doesn't exist!

YOU WON THAT GAME!

I thought Scum won?

[Vedith]

fuck yeah

green tier bitches

however your red tier is a giant pile of what the fuck

His reads feel fabricated tbh

GTFO

[Vedith]

Nah we're only lynching Pisskop if its proven multi.
Regardless he's been Scum hunting and it's genuine.

[Vedith]

Nah we're only lynching Pisskop if its proven multi.
Regardless he's been Scum hunting and it's genuine.

Awe
I am convinced he is scum

As I am you.

[Vedith]

The only part you can argue there is you didn't realise what you said until you looked back and thought "Oh wait I don't want to look stupid."
First sign of multi ball you're lynched. Simple as that.

[Vedith]

We be 1v1in if mb is the case.

wouldnt have it any other way

As I said, I'm not in a position to worry about that.

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

My was at Pisskop, not Lore.

[Vedith]

Ive had mine since my join date.

[Vedith]

I love D1 rainbows.
They help late game a lot.

[Vedith]

Trans and Laspa are competing for being the most useless day 1.

[Vedith]

Im not doing one of those stupid D1 rainbows, but I disagree.

tchill > whymaf > Transcend

what does this mean

???

Is it town to scum or scum to town

I'll give you a clue.
Pisskop really wants Chilly lynced...

[Vedith]

Gamma stop!

[Vedith]

I don't... That's why i steal others

[Vedith]

You guys make me cry...

[Vedith]

Hey guys. I'm going to skim read (because that's a lot of posts), but is there something extremely important?

WhyMafia is the favoured lynch of today if you wish to vote there.

[Vedith]

Why? Mafia?

Because he's Scum.

[Vedith]

VOTE: WhyMafia

I'm not?!

[Vedith]

That's mean

[Vedith]

Stop fucking with avatars, I don't read people's name but their avatars and it's fucking annoying because I thought you were gamma.

I'm already fragile after finding out Pisskop has a chance of being Scum...

[Vedith]

Multi ball?

Multiple scum teams.

How far are you read up?

[Vedith]

i will be doing this game later tonight

Any updates, reads?

[Vedith]

Not.

Also stop with the prof pics.

Okay, do you want anything else from us in the meantime?

I don't understand what a prof pic is?

[Vedith]

Your avatar.

And I'm just going to vote Why until I find an actual lynch candidate.

I can't stop it moving, it's a GIF.

I like your style!

[Vedith]

Because it's funny

[Vedith]

I like Mutton!

[Vedith]

No.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Lapsa
Since the IC is being useless I'll be useless too.

The thing is, this is actually a better lynch than Lore or Trans.

[Vedith]

but if you lynch lore and he flips town I'll lynch transcend for you if that desire is still around

what da fuck

This is why my reads are the dogs bollocks.

[Vedith]

@Lore - let it be known if I need to vote either you or Trans I'll vote you.
You really should vote WhyMafia with me.

[Vedith]

Well let this convince you.
I am very confident that if another wagon isn't pushed and raised that you will be lynched.
WhyMafia is a wagon that can be raised as he's Scum. Now, are you against a WhyMafia lynch over your own?

[Vedith]

The fact you haven't read anything I have on him...
VOTE: Lore
Let me know when you're ready to vote WhyMafia

[Vedith]

5 more to go into Lore I believe.

[Vedith]

i just need to see evidence for WM, i dont see it yet. i can be convinced but telling me "he is scum" doesnt convince me, especially since you have no special knowledge yo ucould have or anything.
also we need 11 people and i dont see that many people willing yet.

for Christ's sake - help her, Vedith!

My hand is there to help her.
But with 3 days left I need her to use the tools given.

[Vedith]

5 more to go into Lore I believe.

less than that i think.

i am reading back on your whymafia reasoning and its possible im just bad but i see lots of you talking about whymafia and not lots of quotes or anything ON whymafia. maybe its just me, but whymafia jsut looks like an insecure kid, i dont see it yet. I am not AGAINST voting whymafia, i just need the evidence to feel confident doing it.

Quotes don't make a case, reasons do.

[Vedith]

**he voted IC because he wanted to jump on a wagon

Given how Lapsa has presented himself, that's not anti town...

[Vedith]

Voting and lynching are two different things.

[Vedith]

I think Lore is at L-2 or something

And the fact that she refuses to vote WhyMafia makes me believe that she's associated with him.

[Vedith]

I think Lore is at L-2 or something

And the fact that she refuses to vote WhyMafia makes me believe that she's associated with him.

i dont REFUSE i am trying to see the fucking case, how many votes does whymafia even have tho? why do you think that wagon will be so easy to build?

Because he's Scum. And a lot of people in this game are showing lack of care.
I've also seen interest from people not on the wagon.

[Vedith]

Why are You not voting PM, Lore?
There has been a lot of attention to people being okay lynching them.

Just wondering on this. My deal is still I vote back to WhyMafia when you do.

[Vedith]

What timing

[Vedith]

Okay so Lore is lynched.
If real a town is shot tonight
But from what I know this claim is iffy and even more so to the attitude of not moving off Trans.

[Vedith]

Holy shit we wagoned a specifc night vig in a large again
UNVOTE:

Gamma scum.

[Vedith]

i am not AGAINST moving off of transcend, goddammit vedith, i just dont want to move before i have a case for WM and LIKE I SAID he seems like insecure town and not scum to me.

Why it PM so far then?
If you were vig why it lynch pm and kill trans?

[Vedith]

Where are you voting Now, Mutton?

[Vedith]

i am not AGAINST moving off of transcend, goddammit vedith, i just dont want to move before i have a case for WM and LIKE I SAID he seems like insecure town and not scum to me.

Why it PM so far then?
If you were vig why it lynch pm and kill trans?

i dont understand any of your words here

Phone fucked me there.
Why are you not voting PM instead and just kill trans tonight?

You are lying here.

[Vedith]

i am not AGAINST moving off of transcend, goddammit vedith, i just dont want to move before i have a case for WM and LIKE I SAID he seems like insecure town and not scum to me.

Why it PM so far then?
If you were vig why it lynch pm and kill trans?

i dont understand any of your words here

Phone fucked me there.
Why are you not voting PM instead and just kill trans tonight?

You are lying here.

because i would rather have town consensus on obvious scum and i haven't decided who i would kill tonight but since i have claimed now it hardly matters.

But you are n1 vig (you're not) so surely in your mind you want to hit Scum during the night. When given the option if wasn't really an option to you. This means you had no mind state to where you can kill trans tonight.

[Vedith]

I want a lore lynch more than whymafia though
he was a lurker lynchbait like t chill and theta but didn't get pressures at all bro

I just wanted you to vote Lore if you wasn't already.

[Vedith]

"I have 9 scum reads yet IDK who I'd vig".

[Vedith]

Gamma scum btw.

[Vedith]

How about we test it.
We tell WhyMafia we won't lynch him if he and his buddies don't Roleblock.
Then Lore kills Gamma?

[Vedith]

Fuck no

Just lynch her

It was a joke

[Vedith]

I think Lore is at L-2 or something

And the fact that she refuses to vote WhyMafia makes me believe that she's associated with him.

I'm catching up, so I don't know what's in the next page but this doesn't seem associated driven. This seems like she's trying to get town cred for not taking an easy vote and trying to start another wagon right now.

You're at L1

[Vedith]

"I have a one time ability on night 1 and 9 scum reads yet I haven't thought about who would be the best shot at all".

Well
I think it's just a playstyle issue
Yeah I have scumreads too but I don't really have faith in any of them rn

Give me a shot night 1 and I know 3 people I would shoot without consideration.

[Vedith]

"I have a one time ability on night 1 and 9 scum reads yet I haven't thought about who would be the best shot at all".

Well
I think it's just a playstyle issue
Yeah I have scumreads too but I don't really have faith in any of them rn

Give me a shot night 1 and I know 3 people I would shoot without consideration.

great

unfortunately you didnt roll this role.

How do you know what I roled?
There's a reason I know you're lying.

[Vedith]

@transcend how many games have you played with Albert?

Let's say 0. I was in a game with him on a hydra with scout but I instantly dipped bc Varsoon setup too complicated for me.

Aren't the Newbie games too complicated for you?

[Vedith]

how often are there more than one n1 vigs in a game?

i was assuming there wasnt.

Where did you get n1 vig from?

[Vedith]

Well for a start why can it only be n1?
And why does it even need to be a vig?

[Vedith]

Well for a start why can it only be n1?
And why does it even need to be a vig?

because you said "give me a shot night one" and i was talking about being a vig??????
like???
are you even paying attention??

Doesn't that suggest I don't have a shot night 1?

[Vedith]

anyway, at this point idgaf. lynch me or don't, ive said everything i can say.

Yet you won't vote WhyMafia.
So you are happy to be lynched over WhyMafia
Or even PM...

[Vedith]

Well for a start why can it only be n1?
And why does it even need to be a vig?

because you said "give me a shot night one" and i was talking about being a vig??????
like???
are you even paying attention??

Doesn't that suggest I don't have a shot night 1?

right: why i said "you didn't role this roll"
yes
exactly thats what it suggests.

Suggests, yes... but you said I didn't get that role. Not that I probably didn't.

[Vedith]

"I have a one time ability on night 1 and 9 scum reads yet I haven't thought about who would be the best shot at all".

Well
I think it's just a playstyle issue
Yeah I have scumreads too but I don't really have faith in any of them rn

Give me a shot night 1 and I know 3 people I would shoot without consideration.

great

unfortunately you didnt roll this role.

I rolled it in NY197 and I had some good ideas but only because of things sticking out
I also was vig in mini 1860 and had a 50:50 shooting rate even though one failed due to being roleblocked

I don't believe you with the Roleblocker. Just making an excuse for missing.

[Vedith]

anyway, at this point idgaf. lynch me or don't, ive said everything i can say.

Yet you won't vote WhyMafia.
So you are happy to be lynched over WhyMafia
Or even PM...

i have no case for whymafia?
why are you so mad about my vote on transcend?

why are you attempting to strongarm me into taking my vote off him?

buddies?

Yes me and trans are buddies.
You have basically said you prefer to be lynched over WhyMafia.
And I'll say again why not PM?!

[Vedith]

Lore is refusing to discuss why she won't vote PM even though she already said she would kill PM.

[Vedith]

I don't own any.

[Vedith]

Trans, lay it on the table... What your personal problem with me, Gamma and Mutton?!

[Vedith]

Im sorry I confuse you!!!

No, she's at l3 because Gamma is Scum. Vote welcome.

[Vedith]

googled images for 'vedith'

here's your new avatar:

Size too big.

[Vedith]

Same avatar

I was alright with it for like a few pages but the fact this has gone on for like half the game is annoying. Plus you did it in that jungle republic game too lol. I thought i was scum claiming when someone that was mafia made awful posts with my avatar.

That person making awful posts was you though
I mean, you pretended to be the Seer to me.

[Vedith]

Gamma scum

[Vedith]

Sling was Theta?
Then yeah Sling is Scum

[Vedith]

That sling is scum because of thetas slot.

This won't make me love you...

[Vedith]

Like the stuff you "read" is probably the pique of suspense for today.

Vedith why aren't you making a case against lynching lore haven't you said she's town a few times?

Should we Lynch you, Then?

[Vedith]

@Vedith your insistence on Lore not voting me is ridiculous. Transcend has the second highest amount of votes, of course she would want to vote him

Then why not PM?
If you read what I was saying.
This would put PM on more votes than Trans and a vote I would have been constable in doing.

[Vedith]

Trans, lay it on the table... What your personal problem with me, Gamma and Mutton?!

It's confusing.

Also was Lore hammered?

I wanna vote this.
VOTE: SlingshitWaffles

What is this?

Uhh...why?

You're shading Lore + Lore claimed PR.

So Scum just need to claim PR to be cleared?
No wonder I'm always lynched!!!

[Vedith]

So Sling will only lynch VT claims day 1?

[Vedith]

@Vedith your insistence on Lore not voting me is ridiculous. Transcend has the second highest amount of votes, of course she would want to vote him

Then why not PM?
If you read what I was saying.
This would put PM on more votes than Trans and a vote I would have been constable in doing.

Fair enough

No, no not fair enough.
Let's go on this more. You want to throw that I'm not sitting right with you.
Let's discuss it. Why am I not?

[Vedith]

So Sling will only lynch VT claims day 1?

With Lore's claim, I don't know.

But I didn't even say that, I said probably wouldn't vote them.

But for the only reason that it was a PR claim.
That's fucking stupid.
So if any other Scum claim a PR you'll sit there twiddling thumbs waiting for a VT claim?

[Vedith]

Oh man I speak up a little and I'm hit with a threat?... How nice. I just don't like seeing you not act the way you've been acting the closer we get to a lore lynch. Also asking for people to vote whymafia and pmysterious during the whole episode. This way you're not outright disagreeing with the wagon in the midst of discussion but you're not helping it. Seems odd... Well not odd but fishy... No it's not fishy but a lot like fishy... Scummy? Yeah that's it.

Show me where I ask anyone to vote PM.
I am on the Lore wagon. Why would I disagree with it?
@Trans - why is Chilly town?

[Vedith]

So Sling will only lynch VT claims day 1?

With Lore's claim, I don't know.

But I didn't even say that, I said probably wouldn't vote them.

But for the only reason that it was a PR claim.
That's fucking stupid.
So if any other Scum claim a PR you'll sit there twiddling thumbs waiting for a VT claim?

It depends on the claim, and how the player was acting.

But that's not what you said...
You never said about the claim itself you said because it was a PR claim.

[Vedith]

Scum fake claim all the time (you literally were the recipient of a bus in my fake claim). Claiming pr, does in fact, not clear anyone.

That was a planned fakeclaim.
I don't see Lore fakeclaiming vig as scum, not to mention n1 vig.

Why not?

[Vedith]

Meta

It's manipulable but fuck it

Chilly better hope I'm not a triple night 1 vig.

[Vedith]

@Vedith your insistence on Lore not voting me is ridiculous. Transcend has the second highest amount of votes, of course she would want to vote him

Then why not PM?
If you read what I was saying.
This would put PM on more votes than Trans and a vote I would have been constable in doing.

Fair enough

No, no not fair enough.
Let's go on this more. You want to throw that I'm not sitting right with you.
Let's discuss it. Why am I not?

You say Lore is scum for not voting me
However, I am not even close to a wagon. This seems like pointless meandering that further wants to make Lore look like scum for bs reasons. I agree Lore has been scummy, but it seems that this argument is SvS.

Sorry what post did I say Lore is Scum for not voting you?

[Vedith]

You were talking to lore in particular about voting whymafia or pmysterious. Disregard what I said. It's cool. When you brought up pmysterious with whymafia it jumped out at me but that was in correlation to you asking lore to vote pmysterious. My apologies.

I was asking why she didn't vote PM. I never said for her to do it.
But let's carry this on. So you've lied about your first reason to doubt me, what else?

If you want to butt heads with me on who's Scum out of us 2 I'm willing.

[Vedith]

But that's not what you said...
You never said about the claim itself you said because it was a PR claim.

If it's a PR claim D1 I probably wouldn't vote.
It depends on the claim and the player though.

But why would Scum claim anything other than PR with that set of mind?

[Vedith]

Whymafia several people said you're scummy even though there's no wagon on you yet. I agree that whymafia is scummy.

[Vedith]

I don't know.

You seem to be ignoring many parts of what I said though.

No I am focused on what you originally said, not what you changed it to when I called you out.

[Vedith]

Who's scum out of me and you? I don't particularly believe you're scum and ik I'm not scum so that's just wasted effort. I noticed something and I pointed it out. If I'm scum at the moment I sit back and I don't rock the boat. Not gonna 1v1 you I don't believe youre scum. I just stated that I seen the mistake I made.

In all honesty I thought that debate was with WhyMafia

[Vedith]

Like I just town read Lexa and egg because they're doing towny stuff. Vedith's play throughout the game is the one that my thought process has seen a lot of similarity to.

Since I joined the game they haven't don't a great deal.
I'll give it benefit of the doubt that both are shy around me.

[Vedith]

I don't know.

You seem to be ignoring many parts of what I said though.

No I am focused on what you originally said, not what you changed it to when I called you out.

Still then I said probably wouldn't.
Lore's claim makes me kinda eh, but they've been acting scummy enough imo.

So I'm confused. Will you vote Lore or No?

[Vedith]

Well that's good at least.
Just means we can work on lynching you tomorrow instead of today!

[Vedith]

I think Lore is at L-2 or something

And the fact that she refuses to vote WhyMafia makes me believe that she's associated with him.

Where does it say that I Scum read Lore because she won't vote you?
That was your argument, right?

[Vedith]

I can vote Lore, but I am still extremely wary of Vedith

You opportunist fuck.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

I'm day 2 IC.

[Vedith]

Vedith do you still that that's an association issue or just lore trying to get town cred for not voting whymafia?

WhyMafia is Scum.
If Lore is Scum which I highly believe then yes it is an association.

[Vedith]

Scum fake claim all the time (you literally were the recipient of a bus in my fake claim). Claiming pr, does in fact, not clear anyone.

That was a planned fakeclaim.
I don't see Lore fakeclaiming vig as scum, not to mention n1 vig.

Why not?

1) if there's a vig they're fucked unless they're BP (I added the BP part because I remembered being mafia oneshot BP in Mini 1911 and considering claiming vig if run up.)
2) if there's no vig kill it's hard to explain, especially since n1 is the only chance to shoot

They are also fucked if they are lynched.
Scum try to survive that little longer and lynch a town.
It's not hard to explain they claim Roleblock and then people like you buy it.

The only thing I semi agree with here is that vig isn't as much of a benefit claim as say doc / cop etc

[Vedith]

Vedith's new avatar reduces the amount of arrogance I see in his posts for some reason

That's why Lapsa chose it.