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[Eddie Cane]

am i still scum nero

[Eddie Cane]

he's not going to confirm or deny that lol

[Eddie Cane]

@Nero/Mafia because there had been some sort of consensus yesterday that we would stop lynching gerry as long as someone checked gerry that night. And seeing how no one is pushing gerry now, I'm assuming that whatever results they got back pointed towards town

My main reason yesterday was that gerry's ISO was him pushing Osuka for 30 pages, defending himself for 30 pages, and then flipping votes from osuka to assemble to nero without any reasoning or evidence and then more defending himself, and then flip flopping between million and nero. But I guess someone had copped him or something, so he's town now

if I am a cop I definitely didn't check gerry last night. such a waste of a pr.

[Eddie Cane]

i checked boon and got a guilty or I checked dave and got ???

[Eddie Cane]

If we get a guilty, the invest should definitely claim it though xD

this. 2 maf down, and no day chat. we are way up.

[Eddie Cane]

actually, I think I checked assemble and got town.

[Eddie Cane]

If we get a guilty, the invest should definitely claim it though xD

this. 2 maf down, and no day chat. we are way up.

nowhere in the rules does it say there is no day chat

so why did you say that

the encryptor died ?_?

[Eddie Cane]

do you have anything to give other than setup

[Eddie Cane]

i think that yumeko is town

[Eddie Cane]

i see nothing that means you can't be partners, especially since boon does scum theatre frequently. that said, boon is scum and Nero is (soft) townlean for me atm so wave you're gonna have to explain that

Where would I have been doing scum theatre this game...?

if you and Nero are scum

[Eddie Cane]

You weren't on the gr wagon. What's wrong with wagoning you?

nothing, he's scum

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: wavemode

it's prob him, boons and ??? maybe Cane. Cane, knowing Boons will flip scum, paints me as bussing?

there is no universe where wave is scum. congrats on losing your town lean

[Eddie Cane]

gr is scum

[Eddie Cane]

that wasn't bussing

[Eddie Cane]

I've also stated that I'd be able to conf town myself, so Eddie trying to get me shot Night 2 instead of Night 3 is scummy.

bp enabler can't conf town themselves, try again

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: wavemode

it's prob him, boons and ??? maybe Cane. Cane, knowing Boons will flip scum, paints me as bussing?

there is no universe where wave is scum. congrats on losing your town lean

Why does a difference in opinion make Wave scum?

because he thinks wave is scum when he's obviously not with gr and he thinks I'm bussing boon when scum are down so much and boon is a better scum player than myself. these are not logical thoughts.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't

but regardless, I never said you were bussing, I said it was a possibility...?

[Eddie Cane]

also, are you not aware how much scum is down right now? if at all possible they're going to avoid bussing

[Eddie Cane]

is this you trying to salvage the boon scum flip?

[Eddie Cane]

are you sure I'm horrible at reading you?

[Eddie Cane]

i want a vc

I also want any person who trs kidamn to explain. want because he's scum as shit

[Eddie Cane]

ya

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: osuka

[Eddie Cane]

So, Eddie, what do you have to say about that?

last night ignoring a potential partner I would have shot Mario

[Eddie Cane]

id like to point out you'd potentially have a partner inno you. that said, mafia doc already flipped and it would be stupid to lynch you today. you're probably town even tho nka doesn't agree.

Gerry, it's time to claim actions, yea. then we lynch Nero, and depending on his flip tiam can vig kid or someone of his choice. if kid flips scum I'll be back for you boob

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Boon

let's lynch someone that I actually scumread today.

Boon/wave/gerry/cane are acceptable lynches today.

let's see

someone claimed an inno on boon

Gerry is a pr

wave and I are never partners with gr

hmm

[Eddie Cane]

but you fucks quickltnched osuka well before I wanted the day to end so I'm not voting Nero until gerry claims actions

honestly I think kid is probably scum, especially after that hammer, but considering how scummy Nero is it would be bad play to not lynch him first. there's definitely potential for a scum gunsmith too; jsyk if thst flips there's probably 3rd party.

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:
actually yeah the mafia doctor makes the claim significantly more likely unless someone else claims gunsmith ability

I believe as gunsmith, I also was a good choice to target.

Guess this confirms that I'm just bulletproof and not a cop/SK.

I'm far from 100% on you tbh, and it's not inconceivable that SK wouldn't ping for Gunsmith. I'm satisfied you're not mafia for now, and that'll have to do.
Just waiting to hear Nero's explanation now tbh.

mod - what result would you give a hypothetical gunsmith for targeting a hypothetical sk

[Eddie Cane]

i missed this inno on Boon

h
you should either explain the lack of result on you or vote kid for lying. only logical course from your pov

[Eddie Cane]

i missed this inno on Boon

h
you should either explain the lack of result on you or vote kid for lying. only logical course from your pov

I

[Eddie Cane]

I mean, you and Wave and Gerry keep calling me "scummy" but none of you can actually present a good argument.

annoying is a legitimate scum tell I have about 75% accuracy with (3/4). I stopped pushing your lynch d1 cause I didn't like who was buying. you have been pseudo guiltied tho so let's start with that

[Eddie Cane]

okay. do you have another role or vanilla ascetic?

[Eddie Cane]

you're aware you should've been vigged right?

[Eddie Cane]

most old players understand ascetic needs to be policy killed before lylo, ideally d1 like miller. but, this is good for those of us who have doubts about tiam being sk since this is a policy vig and Nero can't be docced cause he's verified ascetic.

tiam please vig Nero tonight because an ascetic claim can't live to lylo and we don't want to waste a lynch on him.

[Eddie Cane]

I mean, you and Wave and Gerry keep calling me "scummy" but none of you can actually present a good argument.

annoying is a legitimate scum tell I have about 75% accuracy with (3/4). I stopped pushing your lynch d1 cause I didn't like who was buying. you have been pseudo guiltied tho so let's start with that

If annoying was a legitimate scumtell 90% of players registered on this site after 2016 would be policy lynched D1 due to their habit of taking 4 1-sentence posts to say what could have been said in one, 1-paragraph post... or in some cases, taking 6 posts to say nothing at all. So uh, let's focus on the weird result/lack thereof.

PEdit: Huh. Well, that's different. Explains the refusal to instantly crossvote I suppose, but it's something scum could easily hide behind.

it's a scum tell I use. it's a certain kind of annoying, I look for, and it works when I've skimmed other games and tested it too. doesn't work on people like robbnva who I straight up can't stand but it works for a specific annoying. I'm not pushing that here tho, necessarily.

[Eddie Cane]

tiam, please expressly agree to vig Nero tonight.

if not, we have to lynch Nero, but I want a wagon that actually gives us shit to work with and not a default lynch ideally.

[Eddie Cane]

Not necessarily. Like if I tilt my head enough I could maybe see the argument to policy vig an Ascetic but I think its a mostly balls argument.


I mean there exists the potential that Kid is a mafia GS and targeted me but eh, I'm mostly not interested in lynching a claimed GS that's giving out results yet.

it's literally the same as miller...?

[Eddie Cane]

as in, nobody gets accurate inspection results

[Eddie Cane]

Definitely isn't being lead by a beta player. That Theta kill points to a confident and competent scum player.

this I somewhat agree with. not the confident part but killing newbs keeps the exp person pool alive which means you aren't in a spotlight. theta seems like a boon kill

[Eddie Cane]

can you give me some links to games where you wanted miller/ascetic claims policy vigged/lynched?

I've played with two on this alt that i can remember. a scum claimed Miller, chocolate mafia, I somewhat fosd them but was more concerned with defending transcend (getting mislynched as friendly neighbour, impressive....) in literally every post and then doing a gambit that didn't work out (I did catch the scum team after my two vig shots but also got nkd that same night I called the whole team out to the mod in pm, that's what I got for killing for personal solving and not everyone else). other one two face got killed n2 as ascetic cop. boon was actualyl in both of those games and can verify. my other games are on alts I'm not releasing.

can you show me where you've been ascetic/miller and not claimed/not supported your lynch?

[Eddie Cane]

also, I don't necessarily believe either should be policy lynched. that's common mafia theory, and that you're as old as you are and suggesting otherwise is baffling to me.

[Eddie Cane]

where did i say you did. WTF

[Eddie Cane]

Explains the refusal to instantly crossvote I suppose, but it's something scum could easily hide behind

Well, I'm a proven ascetic. I mean I guess you could be like "oh Nero is a scum ascetic that didn't cross vote me so he's just doing the townie thing to do."

"proven ascetic" - Isn't the point of ascetic that it's only proven by a flip? For all we know you could be a Godfather or something else that F's with results.

we are not going down this path cause frankly it's stupid and won't be productive.

[Eddie Cane]

it's not too much work, its very little. ascetic also isn't a pr we are going to tr, and you didn't claim ascetic as town ascetic here so your point is still moot.

[Eddie Cane]

considering I fos you, you aren't a pr (hence why I asked), yea, you're worthy of a policy vig here.

[Eddie Cane]

ftr all I got from my interaction with Nero here is "I'm ignorant or scum."

[Eddie Cane]

slightly negative utility ?_?

dude

how have you been here for almost a decade and still not understand ascetic I'm actually in awe

[Eddie Cane]

i want you to take in what has happened due to you not claiming in your first post. our invest has wasted a night, our vig claim had a free shot to verify themselves, all that discussion on you yesterday could've been spent elsewhere.

again, show me how you've handled ascetic and Miller before.

[Eddie Cane]

i scumread kidamn but don't really want to lynch a gunsmith claim today considering how much time is left.

VOTE: Mary saotome

for now

[Eddie Cane]

Why are we lynching Kidamn or Boonskiies? Isn't Boon cleared and Kid an invest?

who is lynching either of them

neither of them are cleared although lynching boon today cannot possibly be justified, kid ALWAYS dies first.

[Eddie Cane]

ur vig claim had a free shot to verify themselves, all that discussion on you yesterday could've been spent elsewhere.

How is any of that my fault?

I mean maybe you could argue that by not expressively claiming Ascetic I wasted Kid's shot, though at the same time I wonder what he even thought I was claiming in my first post and why he'd even think about targeting me.

VOTE: Cane

This is not how town talks. They don't cast blame and berate like Eddie is doing.

you clearly don't know me at all


hmm.. let's thinm.. what possible motivation could scum ever have for notwanting town to target the..

it's your fault for how much of the game has been wasted. you softed ascetic/pgo. softing that is town motivated. plus, you still refuse to do exactly what you asked me to do and bring up meta.

still waiting on tiam to confirm.

[Eddie Cane]

let's see if the Nero tells giga showed me are right

[Eddie Cane]

Why are we lynching Kidamn or Boonskiies? Isn't Boon cleared and Kid an invest?

who is lynching either of them

neither of them are cleared although lynching boon today cannot possibly be justified, kid ALWAYS dies first.

Well it seemed people don't trust either of them. But yeah, kidamn needs to die first.

I don't. there is no practical reason to lynch either of them. we are up still, so we want to spend today removing someone who is widely scumread along with the x alignment ascetic and once we have another gunsmith result + gerrys results tomorrow it'll be time to decide if we want to lynch kidamn. gerry results and tiam agreeing are the only things I'm waiting on today tho.

[Eddie Cane]

i actually think Nero is town here because he played extremely different as scum last time we played, and most people aren't thid drastically different tonally as different alignmrnts. he needs to die before lylo regardless. theta was town on meta, but I guess I'm the one one here who saw that besides boon, and we probably both metad him from boons large so that makes sense.

[Eddie Cane]

Why does Nero need to die for that claim if he's scum he should be revealed in setup spec alone. Why do you sr him minus the claim

setup spec is not exact enough to day whether scum or town has an ascetic. if we had all scum roles mod confirmed, maybeeee, but they can fake.

I think you're scum tho.

[Eddie Cane]

i townread Nero on tone but scumread him on play ifnanyines wondering. I'm more confident in my tone read.

it doesn't matter either way to me tho hes dying

[Eddie Cane]

hmm.. let's thinm.. what possible motivation could scum ever have for notwanting town to target the..

I mean ok, but if you have this belief you can't really think I'm ascetic. Like if you think I'm scum that's not wanting to get targeted then why was there a "no result" check on me?

it's your fault for how much of the game has been wasted.

no, it's really not. Did you think I was scum that fake claimed ascetic/pgo and that's why you were suspicious of me? That might be a valid excuse for me "wasting" parts of the game but if you thought that why would you never bring that up?

you softed ascetic/pgo. softing that is town motivated.

If it was town motivated then what exactly are you fussing about?

the word not is missing

[Eddie Cane]

Why does Nero need to die for that claim if he's scum he should be revealed in setup spec alone. Why do you sr him minus the claim

setup spec is not exact enough to day whether scum or town has an ascetic. if we had all scum roles mod confirmed, maybeeee, but they can fake.

I think you're scum tho.

I don't really care if you scumread me that's not the topic at hand here. Why does nero need to die we're basically saying let's lynch obv town for no reason at all throw claims out the window and vote who you sr if everyone keeps relying on the prs to do stuff this game would be over
We're focusing a lot on the active players and I feel that's wrong

a) he's not obv town lmfao
b) because like miller it being alive in lylo is literally how to sign away a lynch as town
c) you're not an active playe
d) neros lynh pool is 4 obv town
e) I'm leaving this game for the day and if I come back to lore stupidity I'm probably subbing because I don't have time to teach a bunch of overconfident morons newbie queue level mafia theory
f) Nero loses his town read on tone
g) I'm not even pushing him with my annoying scum tell
h) is pushing town constantly, being utterly useless, refusing to do the exact thing he asked me to, and not claiming a negative modifier until literally forced not enough to scumread someone?
i) his last post is literally a perspective slip, he says 2 or 3 more scum and has a lylo date
j) I think it's about time for me to take a break from mafia again, I have not enjoyed my last couple games at all, miss competent players
k) kidamn, why did you not check mulch either night if you're so sure he's scum?
l) on pedit again Nero comes up with yet another out for when I flip town
m) and a a boon vote. this game is fucking awesome.

[Eddie Cane]

mod, feel free to replace me if you wish to as well. i probably won't be any less toxic than i have been inthusfar so it's up to you if that's ok.

[Eddie Cane]

oh boy computer access and nothing to do

[Eddie Cane]

I'm writing a mini wall. Meanwhile -

TWOINAMILLION: CONFIRM IF YOU WILL VIG NERO TONIGHT. YES OR NO. NO PUSSYFOOTING.

WAVE: Is it a HARD inno on kid or a soft inno? A hard inno is he targeted you with friendly neighbour, you received a cop result stating he's town, you are masons with him, etc. A soft inno is you rolecopped him and confirmed he's gunsmith, you tracked him to boon last night, etc. This is important.

[Eddie Cane]

Sure I'll vote cane

VOTE: Nero Cain

lol.

none of you, wave, Boon (no gun result not withstanding) or Gerry are obv town.

There's going to be a specific # of scum in a 21 player. No less than 4 and no higher than 7. I think anyone that's pretending to not understand this is scum pretending or newb town that doesn't have the necessary experience to understand this.

Definately Town
TwoInAMillion

Likely Town
Nero Cain
Gerryoat
MarioManiac4

Not Sure
Eddie Cane
Dunkerdoodles
Yumeko Jabami
WhyMafia
Flairs

Might be scum

massive
davesaz
wavemode
Mary Soatome

For Sure Scum
Kid Amn
Boonskiies

I keep seeing this "Kid is for sure scum" thing with fuck-all behind it and I'm frankly getting a liiiiiittle tired of it

And by "a little tired of it" I mean "wondering when this place turned into fuckin EpicMafia"

I don't think we care if scum are "a little tired" of being read as scum.

Is anyone townreading dunkerdoodles

I don't remember

Fuck it I will soft

TIAM your "For Sure Scum" is disastrous

Kidamn is conftown fmpov

That means Boon definitely does not have a gun, unless kid is lying about his result for some reason

If you're super paranoid of those two you should actually just vig me tonight and I guarantee you my flip will confirm those two as town

Well my real name is steve johannson so there's that, and replacing out(or threatening to replace out) for being scumread is ate. It's your job to convince us, not the other way around.

but you fucks quickltnched osuka well before I wanted the day to end so I'm not voting Nero until gerry claims actions

so you were one of the last players to vote osuka, why exactly did you vote if you didn't want them lynched so soon

Mm, you are correct on that front.

I think Kid should target Two then tonight. If Two kills Kid, we kill him tomorrow.

Down to lynching Eddie or Nero

Gerry, it's time to claim actions, yea

no. you can lynch me if you like. idgaf anymore.

he would inno me, so he should. unless you think im a maf doc

Nah, I already see you as inno'd. He doesn't have to.

Yeah, because scum never gambit.

Does anyone else think there is too much power for town if we believe all the claims?
I'm PR btw

you can't have tracked me to theta, I killed assemble

[Eddie Cane]

mfw I try to make a shitpost and forget I have all the posts I'm replying to multiquoted

/sigh

[Eddie Cane]

Sure I'll vote cane

VOTE: Nero Cain

lol.

none of you, wave, Boon (no gun result not withstanding) or Gerry are obv town.

There's going to be a specific # of scum in a 21 player. No less than 4 and no higher than 7. I think anyone that's pretending to not understand this is scum pretending or newb town that doesn't have the necessary experience to understand this.

Lets see why this is trash point by point. Wave started the GR wagon. He was on it a few times. There were other lurker wagons (Dave, Massive are good examples) that would've just as easily gone through and he chose GR. I think that's never scum with him. This is before his PR claim which is doubly so (that's not a scum PR claim). I finished that wagon, there is no chance as a partner I would not only hard bus (I've done that) but literally call anyone voting elsewhere a scum claim to a scum partner that enables day chat. Everyone who's been scum with me knows just how much I use day chat, and whenever I'm scum without daychat it goes poorly because my partners don't understand my play and don't do what I need them to. That is a death sentence. Not to mention, I like Vedith and would value him as a teammate far more than others (though admittedly idk who the other scum are and I like Una). Boon was inno'd when I said that and had been the whole time I argued it (notice how previously I encouraged you to push Boon?), and Gerry is a pr claim who admittedly is not obv town. Yes, there does have to be a specific number of scum in a 21 player game. Your line is omgus'y and its just garbage, because that's not the point I made. I said you said there were either 2 or 3 scum, and you gave a specific LYLO day. If you were unsure of how many scum were left, you wouldn't say LYLO is in 3 days. That is a blatant perspective slip. Idrc about perspective slips because I think town can be stupid even more than scum can perspective slip but that's what it is and you trying to warp the words around to avoid that is gross.

Definately Town
TwoInAMillion

Likely Town
Nero Cain
Gerryoat
MarioManiac4

Not Sure
Eddie Cane
Dunkerdoodles
Yumeko Jabami
WhyMafia
Flairs

Might be scum

massive
davesaz
wavemode
Mary Soatome

For Sure Scum
Kid Amn
Boonskiies

lmfao at these reads.

I don't think we care if scum are "a little tired" of being read as scum.

you're way too confident as a whole for someone as new as you. knock it off, its not cool. that's advice, not a threat. I said this last game too.

Is anyone townreading dunkerdoodles

I don't remember

I am town leaning him.

Fuck it I will soft

TIAM your "For Sure Scum" is disastrous

Kidamn is conftown fmpov

That means Boon definitely does not have a gun, unless kid is lying about his result for some reason

If you're super paranoid of those two you should actually just vig me tonight and I guarantee you my flip will confirm those two as town

This is very good info for my gamesolving. If scum!boon was down I could see him having a partner who was a gunsmith claim an inno on himas a gambit to catch up. I could not see him having his entire scum team get themselves into a position where they could get chain lynched though, so yeah, I'm treating all 3 as conf if Wave confirms a hard inno. I'm tempted to invoke a mass claim but that should probably wait til tomorrow.

Well my real name is steve johannson so there's that, and replacing out(or threatening to replace out) for being scumread is ate. It's your job to convince us, not the other way around.

lmfao

but you fucks quickltnched osuka well before I wanted the day to end so I'm not voting Nero until gerry claims actions

so you were one of the last players to vote osuka, why exactly did you vote if you didn't want them lynched so soon

I don't expect quick votes without intents and quick lynches. Site meta is not for that atm. However, don't actually really care, cause I doubt I would've ever not lynched Osuka there anyways. Makes Gerry look worse but meh.

Mm, you are correct on that front.

I think Kid should target Two then tonight. If Two kills Kid, we kill him tomorrow.

I would like this personally. I get Mario's argument, of checking others, and with a mafia doctor dead and gunsmith inno'd we get actual results, but I think it is useful to know if Two's sk. This is a lot of stupid, even for him, so I could see that being his reaction to rolling SK. It isn't a big difference to me though, if he is SK he already lost at this point. I am okay with gunsmith checking either an idler or an SK. Check me too if you want, I don't have a pr with a gun, but that's a waste.

Down to lynching Eddie or Nero

omgus

Gerry, it's time to claim actions, yea

no. you can lynch me if you like. idgaf anymore.

I know you get sulky as town so this isn't an alignment thing but dude stop. You claimed joat, if youre town scum already know a pr. I don't want you to claim your unused shots, or how many you have, I just want to know what you've done so far with your role. You have to see why this is needed for gamesolving and sorting you.

he would inno me, so he should. unless you think im a maf doc

Nah, I already see you as inno'd. He doesn't have to.

further details cause I think this is town Gerry on a lean (tone :p) but if you lock town him thatll be helpful.

Yeah, because scum never gambit.

l o l

Does anyone else think there is too much power for town if we believe all the claims?
I'm PR btw

lol

I'm writing a mini wall. Meanwhile -

TWOINAMILLION: CONFIRM IF YOU WILL VIG NERO TONIGHT. YES OR NO. NO PUSSYFOOTING.

WAVE: Is it a HARD inno on kid or a soft inno? A hard inno is he targeted you with friendly neighbour, you received a cop result stating he's town, you are masons with him, etc. A soft inno is you rolecopped him and confirmed he's gunsmith, you tracked him to boon last night, etc. This is important.

Soft, but I'm personally confident in it

oh look, a PEDIt I actually like. Wave, I'm never voting you this game, so I'll trust you. Please keep in mind I believe a scum gunsmith is definitely reasonable, though mafia doctor counteracting both gunsmith and sk is a thing. I don't townread kidamn at all on play so relying on his gunsmith to help gamesolve going into future days could be the way town loses after our massive lead going into d2 if he's scum, so just be aware how important your inno on him is and make sure you aren't overly confident.

No I will not vig nero.

Do you remember d1 how I townread you while simultaneously insulting your intelligence? I think you're town. You're certainly trying your hardest to convince everyone you're an SK though, this is like when transcend managed to get lynched as friendly neighbour. Nero is ascetic. Boon is conftown and will confirm he needs to die, on top of how scummy he's been. A vig's best use is getting rid of lurkers, neg util, etc. I'm trying to be nice and explain why you need to do this. You've shot well so far, Assemble was a perfectly good vig even flipping town. Theta would've actually been a fine vig too, so thanks scum . The quality of Wave's inno on Kid is what holds this game together, but right now those 3 are close to conf town and are not potential targets. Please, reconsider, because I would really rather not waste the lynch on Nero but if you won't change your mind then we are forced to lynch him and that bodes very poorly on you. I didn't leave this game after Penguin mafia and blacklist you, I gave you a shot. You've been fine so far, as has Wave. Just think about the logic behind this.

Down to lynching Eddie or Nero

Yeah, that's where I'm at right now.

Very disappointed. I thought you could read me better than that. Nobody who knows me should think I'm scum here.




anyways, myself in here for counting purposes,

{Wave, Boon, Tiam (if you include SK reads as scum he's a row down), Eddie Cane}
{Kidamn, WhyMaf}
{MM4, Dunker, Gerry}
null - line
{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

[Eddie Cane]

Wave started the GR wagon. He was on it a few times. There were other lurker wagons (Dave, Massive are good examples) that would've just as easily gone through and he chose GR. I think that's never scum with him. This is before his PR claim which is doubly so (that's not a scum PR claim). I finished that wagon, there is no chance as a partner I would not only hard bus (I've done that) but literally call anyone voting elsewhere a scum claim to a scum partner that enables day chat

You were the 7th vote on him and the deadline was counting down. It's a reasonable assumption that the day would have ended in a GR lynch or a no lynch. Your application for town cred is denied. I'll get back to you on Wave.

There was over a day and plenty of time to change a lynch. I could've easily shifted the wagon to someone else there, there was plenty of vocal disinterest in lynching GR, Boon and myself pushing another lynch would've won out over creature and wavemode. At absolute worst if I didn't believe that I could I could've literally just lurked the day out, I already said I wasn't coming back.

[Eddie Cane]

I'd be willing to VOTE: Game Replacement

obviously, you are using wagon placement as a town tell here. He was the third vote and I don't think its exactly impossible that he's not bussing his buddy that early but that could maybe be a thing. His play is less than stellar though and his pr claim for shit all reasons makes me nervous. My initial reaction was that he was scum that knew Kid was town and he wasn't worried about death i,e scum.

read previous votes though. this isn't his first gr vote.

[Eddie Cane]

btw

VOTE: nero cain

my vote is here until tiam agrees to vig him. this slot is dying this cycle.

[Eddie Cane]

this isn't a pool, mafia doctor is dead. I don't want to leash you, I want nero dead and I want a lynch to analyze that isn't on obv scum possible pl. if you wont agree to that he needs to be lynched. I am okay with you shooting in inactives, ideally one of the lower people in my reads list but ill let you use your judgment idrc. just someone below my null line please.

[Eddie Cane]

read previous votes though. this isn't his first gr vote.

he literally only voted him once and then moved to Kid so I'm not even sure why he was counted on the GR wagon when he was off voting Kid.

but were you reading it while it happened? his vote is what created the wagon, he had options

[Eddie Cane]

i rememvered that he had more. if i remembered wrong mb. i thought he voted him with me and cnreature the first time

[Eddie Cane]

{Wave, Boon, Tiam (if you include SK reads as scum he's a row down), Eddie Cane}
{Kidamn, WhyMaf}
{MM4, Dunker, Gerry}
null - line
{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

anyone from dave to nero that we dont lynch today is a fine vig in my books, but nero has to be the lynch if hes not the vig. i think we are going to have to mass claim tomorrow most likely.

[Eddie Cane]

tiam, will you promise to shoot below my null line? if yes I will stop bugging you personally.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not making any promises on who to shoot, but I will take recommendations. The more reasoning the better.

i dont want a specific promise. my null line has half the game below it almost. i just want you to agree to shoot in there, itll help my gamesolving.

[Eddie Cane]

Yeah, make sure Two doesn't make it to mylo/lylo. He can live for now, but he's a liability.

i want two to roll scum so i dont need to defend him a third time. =/

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not making any promises on who to shoot, but I will take recommendations. The more reasoning the better.

i dont want a specific promise. my null line has half the game below it almost. i just want you to agree to shoot in there, itll help my gamesolving.

Honestly, I'm ready to lynch Two. I see a good chance of a SK flip. And while he's had good shots, he will be a liability later if he is in fact town.

nah. i get the logic behind it, its like how thor wanted to lynch him last game. we want a vig alive now tho, even if sk, theres just so many useless slots and not enough lynches to resolve them. hes done fine so far too, if he vigs you or me or someone and stops taking care of the useless slots thats when he needs to go. he has played vig perfectly fine so far even if what he says is bollocks.

[Eddie Cane]

to be clear, there's 0% chance I'm suporting a tiam lynch despite how he's being a useless prick

[Eddie Cane]

Boon is acting like scum who's upset that I'm not buying his BS.

just like how I was "obv scum by vcs."?

[Eddie Cane]

if you think boons scum you need to case kidamn because for boon to be scum kidamn has to be scum and wave probably does too

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not making any promises on who to shoot, but I will take recommendations. The more reasoning the better.

i dont want a specific promise. my null line has half the game below it almost. i just want you to agree to shoot in there, itll help my gamesolving.

Honestly, I'm ready to lynch Two. I see a good chance of a SK flip. And while he's had good shots, he will be a liability later if he is in fact town.

nah. i get the logic behind it, its like how thor wanted to lynch him last game. we want a vig alive now tho, even if sk, theres just so many useless slots and not enough lynches to resolve them. hes done fine so far too, if he vigs you or me or someone and stops taking care of the useless slots thats when he needs to go. he has played vig perfectly fine so far even if what he says is bollocks.

I don't rely on town power to catch scum. I analyze play, so I don't agree with this.

This isn't catching scum. It's removing useless lurkers that are free mislynches. Bonus if they flip scum.

[Eddie Cane]

we lynch nero. i'll check this later. hopefully more nero votes

please claim actions

[Eddie Cane]

Boon is the only one saying boon is conftown.

Now Boon is wanting the town to concentrate on my newbiness rather than on scumhunting.

boon isnt conf town but boon is conf town enough that youre literally just wasting time and distracting from nero's scum flip.

[Eddie Cane]

I am not lynching a claimed vig.

cool. i am.

can you both stop acting like 6 year olds who got their first A+ in grade 1 and think they're better than everyone thanks

[Eddie Cane]

well, boon, idrc what you're going for but look at the facts

1) not a single person in this game is going to vote tiam
2) nero is ascetic and even if you believe he's town he shouldn't last til lylo and i know for a fact you agree with this logic
3) two won't vig him
4) if two is sk he is not going to shoot me/you/kidamn/wave/gerry/dunker because that outs him as sk for the latter 5 and I think he knows I'm town
5) despite his verbal annoyingness, he vigged perfectly fine d1. i think una was a very acceptable shot. he vigged perfectly fine d2. i think assemble was a very acceptable shot. you know that i know better than anyone two can be a fucking moron, i mean he voted me not understanding what a hammer was and was "certain" i was scum, but he has played perfectly fine this game, he got me to townread him which is good and he has not done anything stupid. i dont agree with his play, and hes definitely new, but this is improvement and this is not play youre policy lynching. even IF hes sk, he is not going to shoot a pr this early because that outs him and causes him to lose. stop wasting time, i know youre better than this.

[Eddie Cane]

Yeah, Boon is just scum. But I'd rather lynch than waste a shot.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Also, this isn't what a Vig says. He could just shoot me. Except he wouldn't be able to kill me because I'm bp. and now I'm conf town so he can't lynch me either.

he also claimed full vig, so waste a shot...-.-

i said it d1 when you said this and ill say it again. stupid =/= scum, this is town stupid.

[Eddie Cane]

no, he's not. nobody is going to let tiam survive if he kills a pr. he is going to get policy lynched if he shoots one of those 6; i believe he knows that and if not this is me telling him it. again. hes shot perfectly fine so far and its not fair to attack him for being a dinklehead.

oh, and the most important one,
6) an sk is still less of a threat than mafia with said sk being outed.

[Eddie Cane]

You're focusing on the Eddie lynch and ignoring the fact that I correctly predicted the scum team and then got night killed.

as boon said, its called meta. it is actually very relevant, its why i townread and defended you d1. i also read you in (i think it was) giga's game, your first one. wasn't in that game but i skimmed along with it. i immediately had expectations after reading you try to setup spec having never played forum mafia before (lol)

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie-I have over 400 posts. I feel like a town you would have better reasoning than "he's annoying."

Is there actually a case on nero?

not really. The "case" on me is that I didn't explicitly claim ascetic, thus, I wasted Kids shot.

as opposed to me just claiming ascetic, like that's not going to garner the same paranoia. Like maybe in hindsight if I just claimed (since ppl are too dumb to read into a "don't target me" claim) and I was investigated and then we got the no result claim ppl

might

go "oh town ascetic!" but then I could see the same "Well Nero is a confirmed ascetic, but maybe he's a scum one!"

third time saying i'm not using my annoying tell here

[Eddie Cane]

Yeah, Boon is just scum. But I'd rather lynch than waste a shot.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Also, this isn't what a Vig says. He could just shoot me. Except he wouldn't be able to kill me because I'm bp. and now I'm conf town so he can't lynch me either.

he also claimed full vig, so waste a shot...-.-

i said it d1 when you said this and ill say it again. stupid =/= scum, this is town stupid.

i also want him dead if he's actually a vig. He's a liability to the max.

dude, he isn't a liability. i think you're not understanding something; he isn't actually going to vig one of those people. its a personality thing, he doesn't want to be bossed around as a beginner and doesn't want to acknowledge his lack of experience, i was similar (not this bad but meh). he is not going to vig stupid, despite how he's acting.

[Eddie Cane]

no, he's not. nobody is going to let tiam survive if he kills a pr. he is going to get policy lynched if he shoots one of those 6; i believe he knows that and if not this is me telling him it. again. hes shot perfectly fine so far and its not fair to attack him for being a dinklehead.

oh, and the most important one,
6) an sk is still less of a threat than mafia with said sk being outed.

False. A SK distracts from association tells.

not really. i said in the last game lynching mario counted as a mislynch. its not my fault tiam and wave (oh look both are here) ignored me.

[Eddie Cane]

The point is, I learn from my mistakes. The liability is the one that makes the same mistake over and over again.

yes, and that's why i didn't sub out and i defended you d1. but here, we need you to agree, because YOU need to understand that we don't know you're a vig and you could easily be an sk. i definitely don't think thats an unreasonable read to have if you don't hypermeta like i do.

what i think boon just wants from you here is to agree to vig in a pool, and for him to agree with that pool. yes scum can gambit, yes its possible, but its similar to why two people claiming masons d1 in a mini normal never are scum; its risk v reward and that is a losing battle. here, for boon to be scum he would need a partner sacrificing himself to inno him when he wasn't even that suspected. addtionally, they would need their third partner to soft inno both of them. in a large this might actually be reasonable, except that both other scum are dead and they need to survive through a massclaim and like 5-6 more lynches. basically, boon is very likely town and pursuing scum boon over and over is not a good stance to take.

[Eddie Cane]

I said it last game, and I meant it. I don't agree with keeping SK's alive.

and kidamn is checking tiam tonight so this is a moot point. you will know if hes an sk. we arent lynching our vig.

[Eddie Cane]

no, he's not. nobody is going to let tiam survive if he kills a pr. he is going to get policy lynched if he shoots one of those 6; i believe he knows that and if not this is me telling him it. again. hes shot perfectly fine so far and its not fair to attack him for being a dinklehead.

oh, and the most important one,
6) an sk is still less of a threat than mafia with said sk being outed.

False. A SK distracts from association tells.

not really. i said in the last game lynching mario counted as a mislynch. its not my fault tiam and wave (oh look both are here) ignored me.

No it wasn't. I'm fire at catching SK's.

yes it was. vca wise, its a mislynch.

[Eddie Cane]

I'll probably vig from the pool, but wouldn't that increase my odds of being blocked/doctored?

doctor is dead, there is 0% any will be docced. if scum had a rber one of our many claimed prs would've claimed blocked by now. it is possible they do, but rather unlikely.

[Eddie Cane]

like, no protective should be protecting any of the people in my vig pool. if scum want to shoot them go for it.

[Eddie Cane]

{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.

[Eddie Cane]

like, besides whoevers town in that pool removing themselves, I'm pretty sure it is a vig pool that everyone would consider reasonable. it is also wide enough scum can't easily play around it if they do happen to have a role that could interfere (unlikely)

[Eddie Cane]

So kid we can confirm based on what he says tomorrow, are we going to have a strategy on confirming boon and wave?

tomorrow kid will either say you have a gun or you don't. if he says you do, we know you aren't a vig. boon is conftown as long as kid is town gunsmith, which is exceedingly likely. wave is also town on play and has a pr claim. though, tomorrow we will probably mass claim.

[Eddie Cane]

you still never psychoanalyzed me ;[

[Eddie Cane]

we want you to commit to shooting in that group. it shows us you have your own agenda if you don't. we already know you aren't mafia, its either sk or town, so hitting mafia doesn't change that.

[Eddie Cane]

I am of the belief that we could and should be hunting scum today rather than rushing to string up Nero (although Nero does have to go down at some point, unfortunately, because there is literally no way to clear them). There are probably 1-2 scum amongst our lurkers, though.

PEdit: I would feel a lot more secure with a promise, but one way or another we find out what you are tomorrow. You shooting within that vigpool with some certainty would be in your favour if I were to mysteriously turn up dead tomorrow, too, so I would hope you would recognise limiting yourself to that pool is the sensible choice.

lynching nero will help my reads vastly regardless of his flip, and it means we get two more flips too, along with pr results for an extra day. we don't need to lynch nero september the 9th, but this day phase yea

[Eddie Cane]

The thing is, I think I have a better record and chance of a hit than players that could be scum with their own agenda suggesting a vigpool.

maybe. but unfortunately you aren't an innocent child vig and an sk is morerately common in a game this size (espec with maf doc) so you don't have the luxury of just doing what you want

[Eddie Cane]

nero is getting lynched

but hey. guess what? mary is in the vig pool! guess who the vig is? its you!

[Eddie Cane]

we. arent. lynching. outside. of. nero.

[Eddie Cane]

you mean you don't want to lynch osuka?

[Eddie Cane]

I wasn't complaining.

so will you hard commit to shooting in it?

[Eddie Cane]

I wasn't complaining.

so will you hard commit to shooting in it?

[Eddie Cane]

i am going to stop defending you if you don't agree.

[Eddie Cane]

TBF, Boon is prob a BP SK. Just leave him alone and stop interacting with him TIAM

lmfao

[Eddie Cane]

TBF, Boon is prob a BP SK. Just leave him alone and stop interacting with him TIAM

a bp sk that isn't shooting anyone for 2 nights in a row. makes sense.

i mean, weak defense to a weak post cause an accepted sk strat is to idle and claim vt

[Eddie Cane]

Says the scumbutt that literally cannot make a case against me.

I'm not even casing you. I stated I town read you, and that's probably why you're scum, lol.

he's talking to me. i'm ignoring him though.

[Eddie Cane]

TBF, Boon is prob a BP SK. Just leave him alone and stop interacting with him TIAM

a bp sk that isn't shooting anyone for 2 nights in a row. makes sense.

i mean, weak defense to a weak post cause an accepted sk strat is to idle and claim vt

In what universe would I ever claim VT.

that does not change my statement.

[Eddie Cane]

good. an obv town slot that is helpful.

[Eddie Cane]

Oh boy.

[Eddie Cane]

hey boon you're right flairs is scum

[Eddie Cane]

can the third be nero needs to be lynched today?

[Eddie Cane]

the later lynches are significantly more important. there's claims going around, pr results, significantly more flips, and it is much closer to the end of the game. earlier is when you deal with things like this. you usually do it day 1, but of course, it wasn't claimed day 1, so...

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not saying hard no, but I'm not saying we need to windmill slam it yet.

i dont want to hammer him right now, titus is in a slot i hard townread and is a competent* player. i want them to come shut this bullshit down. but, i want the day to end in a nero lynch.

[Eddie Cane]

Yeah, this seems like gerry has a guilty nero. It's not subtle.

hi titus. how much of the game have you read?

[Eddie Cane]

I think anyone saying that I

have

to go is just lazy. I get that I'm un-confirmable and jazz and I guess I could see the paranoia in "OMG Nero is a scum Ascetic" but why? Why am I scum Ascetic over town Ascetic? As of yet, no one has (seriously) answered that. So that's your homework for today while I watch football.


There is a snowball's chance in hell this is less than 5 scum. So we aren't even close to LYLO. So the idea of policy lynching me today seems pointless.


There has been a shitload of town power claimed, while it's likely that one or more is lying you'd think scum would have some power to back it up. So far we've had a scum encryptor and since you guys think I'm scum-a scum Ascetic. Why are you guys so content with lynching a passive pr vs. trying to lynch something alot more harmful?

I'll be back later with a breakdown of my wagon and my others reads.

bruh, lets ignore your alignment for a sec. why would policy lynching you later be better in ANY way? the later in the game the more each lynch matters. earlier is when you policy lynch your millers, your ascetics, your momomans. you aren't a "passive pr", you're neg util, plus if you're scum we have no way of knowing if you're ascetic roleblocker or ascetic strongman or whatever because you can't be touched by prs.

[Eddie Cane]

[quote="In post 4178, TwoInAMillion"][/quote]
you ready to agree yet?

[Eddie Cane]

bruh, lets ignore your alignment for a sec. why would policy lynching you later be better in ANY way? the later in the game the more each lynch matters. earlier is when you policy lynch your millers, your ascetics, your momomans. you aren't a "passive pr", you're neg util, plus if you're scum we have no way of knowing if you're ascetic roleblocker or ascetic strongman or whatever because you can't be touched by prs.

I like how you are selectively "ignoring" me.

You can't really say "ignore your alignment" since that's why my "policy lynch" is dumb. When I asked you earlier if you pushed for policy lynchs on millers/ascetic claims your response didn't seem to indicate so. It was just word salad about your games

WITH

ascetic claims. Based on that alone I think you are scum that's going for an easy lynch.

If you were really worried about me being an ascetic + other power I'm not really getting why you'd ask me if I had any other powers if you weren't gonna believe me anyways.

Ultimately, I'm not seeing a huge difference between a policy lynch on me d3 and a pl on d5. You bring up prs but I mean it's not like town will be targeting me and if the town prs catch scum then I'm POE town anyways. Are you worried that your easy mislynch is slipping away?

ahahahaha

I haven't had an ascetic to deal with on this alt in... ever. That's why I cited similar examples. You flat out refused to go into your meta and show me similar ascetic games. Based on that alone I still think you're an obnoxious moron. You aren't getting out of the lynch though.

I asked if you had other powers because you could've been an ascetic cop. Which is the singular ascetic game I've had on this alt. Hence why I asked. Guess I'm just scum going for an easy lynch.

I don't need to explain grade 2 math to normal people as to why lynching a liability earlier is better than later, but fine, you're special enough I'll do it. :*
Mafia is a game solved by flips. That is why games that don't show flips are bastard.
Mafia need a certain number of town deaths to win the game, mainly achieved by lynches. That is an empirical fact.
So, mafia are significantly closer to winning the game after two town mislynches.
Lynching you now gets us two flips from the night we can use, along with yours, and any pr results. That is a significantly large gain in info that we can use tomorrow (d4)
However, lynching you later still gets that info, and we still have the same number of flips after today, right?
The problem is, we are literally roped into lynching you. It HAS to happen before lylo. Later, if we have a guilty claimed and we get a 1v1 or something like that, we won't necessarily have the lynches to deal with that and you. There's so many scenarios that make lynches more important later on. Earlier is when you deal with things like you. Yknow, d1 scum lynches have a lower town win rate than d1 town lynches. Don't really know why, but they do. That's when you're supposed to deal with millers/ascetics/whatever. Instead, you decided not to claim. Now we are left here. We need to get rid of you sooner, rather than later, and the only logic for an "old, experienced" player playing so self-preserving is that he's scum trying to delay his lynch.

[Eddie Cane]

You ready to trust me yet?

Not really. 70/30 town/sk, but if we come back into the day with dead!pr along with the scum kill we pretty much just lost our advantage.

[Eddie Cane]

okay,

[Eddie Cane]

It feels to me that people are voting Nero just to give an excuse to lynch obvious town and I don't like it. Let's vote Flairs pretty sure if we just kill Flairs Mario Wave dave and massive we'd win. (Maybe two but I don't think it'll come to that)

show me how nero is obvious town

[Eddie Cane]

i'm not in that poe pool of yours and i'm the one strongly advocating nero's lynch so it feels to me that people are defending nero just to give an excuse to not lynch their partner

[Eddie Cane]

wow look i can use general terms in reference to one person too!!

[Eddie Cane]

and anyways, my vote doesn't move from nero this game, so if you don't want a useless town slot you need to lynch him.

[Eddie Cane]

scum motivation: delaying lynch

"lynch me d5 not now"

response?

[Eddie Cane]

i'm going to keep going with these btw but lets take it 1 by 1 since people are incapable of answering multiple things at once

[Eddie Cane]

scum motivation: delaying lynch

"lynch me d5 not now"

response?

The way he's going about his claim is super towny he at least pointed out that he understands his role is "bad" and why people dont want him in LYLO it's not like he's saying "wow anyone lynching me is dumb" if he started to delay more and more then it'd be an issue. For me right now I just see scum going for a free lynch since we already got 2 of them and they'll take what they can get

i'm going to keep going with these btw but lets take it 1 by 1 since people are incapable of answering multiple things at once

I don't mind if you wanna just give me a wall of answers it's more entertaining then half this game.

but... no?

if he sees why he shouldn't be alive in lylo he should see why he should die sooner rather than later. d5 it'll be a faked guilty or some other distraction, and so on. its not a free lynch, its the time to get rid of a town liability. optimal play is for him to be vigged, but the vig is being uncooperative so he needs to get lynched. scum aren't going for a free lynch unless you want to accuse me of being scum because I'm the one driving his lynch like everyone should.

[Eddie Cane]

eddie whats your main account

not public

[Eddie Cane]

If you had to pick do you think Nero is scum faking or is he town and you just want to get rid of him. This goes for anyone on the Nero wagon or thinking of joining if you're really getting rid of Nero it should be by vig not a lynch that we can use for info. I've never seen an ascetic that wasn't outted as town/scum by set up spec alone. Given I also think this is town this is an outright awful idea.
Pedit: No wanna do me a favor and vote Flairs?

I've already said my thoughts on Nero. I've waffled on his alignment. I'm back to thinking he's scum tonally, last game we played giga just tunnelled him with my support and we got the (scum) flip. It doesn't make a huge difference to me what his alignment though in terms of if he should be lynched, because I'm much stronger late game and I'm not going to be able to solve shit with a town!nero still alive, and a scum!nero as I believe he is is worse for obvious reasons. I already have acknowledged your entire post, I even tried to have him vigged but tiam is being an uncooperative shit so he needs to be lynched.

[Eddie Cane]

feels like people should lynch nero

[Eddie Cane]

did you literally just give my vig pool

[Eddie Cane]

okay flairs is trying really hard to get me to vote him

[Eddie Cane]

both are in your vig pool, go wild

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I was rereading the Miller claim here because Nero made me remember that game, it's cute how both times I get pushed back by scum claiming neg util.

[Eddie Cane]

both are in your vig pool, go wild

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I was rereading the Miller claim here because Nero made me remember that game, it's cute how both times I get pushed back by scum claiming neg util.

There's a pretty huge difference between scum fakeclaiming miller and some me being a CONFIRMED ascetic.

omg you're a CONFIRMED neg util role. guess what? a miller is a CONFIRMED miller... because a cop would return scum.

[Eddie Cane]

You flat out refused to go into your meta and show me similar ascetic games.

lie more. I told you that when I have been a miller I've claimed it like I'm supposed to. Can't really remember if I've been Asetecit or not but like I said I'm not going to sit down and go through my games. That's just busy work.

scum motivation: delaying lynch

"lynch me d5 not now"

response?

I'm still not going to advocate a mislynch. And if we are going to do nothing but talk about me, it's just a waste of a day phase.

last game we played giga just tunnelled him with my support and we got the (scum) flip.

gj. That has nothing to do with this game.

And public opinion on Nero is obviously shifting.

Does public opinion=right?

Doesn't this contradict your earlier statement?

This lynch makes way more sense VOTE: Nero Cane

Why does this make sense?

a) you never said that
b) this is you refusing to do simple effort even though I did the exact thing you refuse to do when you asked. people remember their games but you refusing to even make an attempt is fucking trash.
c) we wouldn't have just spent the day talking about you if you hadn't tried to make the day about you
d) nice job cherrypicking a random line out of a post and calling it irrelevant.

[Eddie Cane]

I also still really dislike how Eddie is saying that I never claimed D1 but he still knew exactly what I was hinting at.

Nero claimed Ascetic Town.

Ascetic is not a common role.

We cannot investigate Nero if he is Ascetic.

Due to the uncertainty of the role, he cannot live to lylo.

I don't think this makes any sense here. There also is no "if" I'm already confirmed since Kid got a no result. Why were you so against vigging me earlier but not you are perfectly ok with lynching me?

actually, i didn't really pay attention to it d1 because i skimmed early game super fast and didn't absorb too much like that, plus i have no intent to target you with my hypothetical action anyways. that doesn't make a difference to me though, because a garbage role crumb like "don't target me" doesn't mean jack shit, and if I had been paying more attention to crumbs this game i would've called you out on that shit

[Eddie Cane]

both are in your vig pool, go wild

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I was rereading the Miller claim here because Nero made me remember that game, it's cute how both times I get pushed back by scum claiming neg util.

There's a pretty huge difference between scum fakeclaiming miller and some me being a CONFIRMED ascetic.

omg you're a CONFIRMED neg util role. guess what? a miller is a CONFIRMED miller... because a cop would return scum.

Not accurate. There's many things that make Nero's ascetic claim fall apart.

its in jest, yea there's scenarios where he's not ascetic but realistically idrc because in any world where he's not ascetic he's scum

anyways

due to fake claiming ascetic so realistically it isn't worth the thoughts.

[Eddie Cane]

Putting a burden on Nero to say he complied with site meta is dumb. It's just something people do. Not Nero's biggest fan but no one, unless late 2017 has to show why they ascetic claimed post 1.

nero asked me my experience with ascetic and asked how I interacted with them in the past. I asked him back. He refused.

[Eddie Cane]

like I could maybe see a scum, Titus, using Gerry to absolve herself of my mislynch and a Mulch/Mario distancing party is not outside the realms of possibilities.

mulch slot is still never scum from that replace out, waiting a few irl days and repeating it doesn't change that fact.

[Eddie Cane]

both are in your vig pool, go wild

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I was rereading the Miller claim here because Nero made me remember that game, it's cute how both times I get pushed back by scum claiming neg util.

There's a pretty huge difference between scum fakeclaiming miller and some me being a CONFIRMED ascetic.

omg you're a CONFIRMED neg util role. guess what? a miller is a CONFIRMED miller... because a cop would return scum.

Not accurate. There's many things that make Nero's ascetic claim fall apart.

its in jest, yea there's scenarios where he's not ascetic but realistically idrc because in any world where he's not ascetic he's scum

anyways

due to fake claiming ascetic so realistically it isn't worth the thoughts.

It is, because if the claim is fake, we nail scum. Plus, we can further investigate the results therefrom. For instance, why did what's his face fail action? Why did he target Nero?

but that doesn't change anything because we are lynching nero anyways. IF he flips scum and does NOT flip ascetic, that's when we get to think about why his action failed. do you get what I'm saying?

[Eddie Cane]

Putting a burden on Nero to say he complied with site meta is dumb. It's just something people do. Not Nero's biggest fan but no one, unless late 2017 has to show why they ascetic claimed post 1.

nero asked me my experience with ascetic and asked how I interacted with them in the past. I asked him back. He refused.

That's not what I am seeing here.

Mario read?

huh?

[Eddie Cane]

Putting a burden on Nero to say he complied with site meta is dumb. It's just something people do. Not Nero's biggest fan but no one, unless late 2017 has to show why they ascetic claimed post 1.

nero asked me my experience with ascetic and asked how I interacted with them in the past. I asked him back. He refused.

That's not what I am seeing here.

Mario read?

huh?

I disagree with your characterization of Nero's reply.

What is your Mario read?

I've given complete reads, they stand. And what are you disagreeing with? He has actively refused 3 times to answer the same question I asked him.

[Eddie Cane]

he's scum anyways due to fake claiming ascetic

ok then explain Kid's no result.

Titus, why are you asking about Mario?

that is literally in the world where you aren't ascetic, which as i said, is irrelevant right now to me... if you flip scum and not ascetic it'll probably mean there's a scum roleblocker or something.

ftr titus mario is town i think

[Eddie Cane]

omg you're a CONFIRMED neg util role. guess what? a miller is a CONFIRMED miller... because a cop would return scum

ummmm....a scum claiming to be a miller isn't really a miller at all. It will function like a miller but it's not one. You can't really compare me to a scum fakeclaiming miller since they aren't the same thing at all. Either you think I'm a scum ascetic and you need to give examples of why I'm scum which you've failed to do.

There's many things that make Nero's ascetic claim fall apart.

like what?

a) you never said that

no, too much work and I'm not going to dig through my games to find them

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

So you can fuck off with that.

but that doesn't change anything because we are lynching nero anyways. IF he flips scum and does NOT flip ascetic, that's when we get to think about why his action failed. do you get what I'm saying?

and when I flip town?

That's not ascetic and that's not saying when you claimed it. You asked my meta around it, I'm literally asking for reciprocation.

If you flip town I'll reanalyze my reads. Frankly, I wouldn't really care at this point because we got rid of ascetic and the player that has made me nearly sub out of this game.

and yes, a scum claiming miller is effectively a miller. you are effectively a town claiming ascetic, even though you aren't.

I'm done replying to you now because your refusal to do your own meta shows me you have no actual interest in changing my mind and just want an excuse to push me

[Eddie Cane]

can you show me where you've been ascetic/miller and not claimed/not supported your lynch?

this was the question

[Eddie Cane]

this was the question

and I've answered that. True, I have no interest in showing you the links b/c that's just busy work. Now if

YOU

want to go through my links and disprove me (though you won't) you are free to do so but saying that I haven't answered this is a lie.

no, its not. i wont go through your links because that will literally take hours. you were in all of your games, any player should remember at least somewhat when theyve been what role. its barely any work for you, its a ton of work for me, and this game isn't even worth me rereading.

can you show me where you've been ascetic/miller and not claimed/not supported your lynch?

this was the question

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

but yes, I've claimed Miller as town miller.

like is Eddie this dumb as town or is this just scum that's selectively ignoring the thing that disproves his entire argument?

that's not what I asked. it doesn't specify when you claimed, how you claimed, if you advocated for your lynch or if you moronically delayed it. i'm not kidding now, i'm not replying to you again. gonna leave this thread for a while now, spending too much time in a game i'm not enjoying. and nero, you're only like 60/40 scum, and i've said i waffled on your alignment. it doesn't disprove jack shit, and frankly I'm appalled you've been here this long and are still this bad.

bye o/

and please stop addressing posts to me nero, if you reply to me address it to town.

[Eddie Cane]

if i was vig here id vig flairs or maybe mary. up to you tiam, just words.

mod - osuka isn't voting, but...

[Eddie Cane]

it's cute that it's not just a traitor or just a doc but it's both

[Eddie Cane]

i agree that 2 docs is unlikely, but who says there can be 2 traitors?

me

[Eddie Cane]

dunker is town btw

[Eddie Cane]

Nero could be town

I'm not playing this game with him though

[Eddie Cane]

i am ok with that if two agrees

[Eddie Cane]

do you not remember at the beginning of d3 when I tried to have him vigged and two refused?

[Eddie Cane]

i am ok with that if two agrees

I'm power tunneling if he doesn't agree. There's no reason for town Two not to, and I'd rather lynch SK than town today.

we aren't lynching two today dude.

[Eddie Cane]

for what it's worth: it's unlike scum have a roleblocker if sk is in the game.

[Eddie Cane]

i am ok with that if two agrees

I'm power tunneling if he doesn't agree. There's no reason for town Two not to, and I'd rather lynch SK than town today.

we aren't lynching two today dude.

think that will stop me from power tunneling?

threatening people is how you piss them off

[Eddie Cane]

for what it's worth: it's unlike scum have a roleblocker if sk is in the game.

And we had claimed PR's not have their actions blocked.

exactly, so I doubt there's a rb regardless

[Eddie Cane]

no, you aren't listening. if you threaten him he's not going to listen. that's how ego works. I'm going to hard defend him if you push him, guess we will have a proxy 1v1. i think I'm ok with a flairs lynch though I might prefer mary

[Eddie Cane]

sigh I lost my post and am not retyping it so whatever

[Eddie Cane]

Not lynching Nero today.

not lynching nero =/= lynching tiam...?

[Eddie Cane]

urgh

[Eddie Cane]

what do you think of mary

[Eddie Cane]

okay

VOTE: flairs

im back on nero if tiam is going to be dumb and not vig nero

[Eddie Cane]

so i'm the counterwagon. cool.

[Eddie Cane]

i went over this already today. ascetic/miller/stuff is literally what vig is for

[Eddie Cane]

miller
ascetic

?

[Eddie Cane]

And you think the town needs to kill these roles 100% of the time no matter how townie the player is.

if they are just the role, yes. ascetic cop is something i've seen. that was nkd before they claimed, but thats an example i wouldnt need to lynch. a cop is a very powerful role, /that/ you can setup spec safely. people in this game (mary and someone else from memory) who say we can sort nero through setup spec later are so full of shit its hilarious, ascetic makes such a small balance difference there's no chance you could realistically setup spec it due to the mafia having the magic of fake claims. yes, you do need to kill miller and ascetic all times. you're new, so here's a fun fact: vig is almost neg util by virtue of they almost never holster and they hit town more than not and just remove lynches and more analyzable kills (wagons give way more than a vig shot). vigs biggest purpose and optimal use is to deal with neg util claims / lurkers / useless slots / widely scumread people.

[Eddie Cane]

The Nero/Titus/Eddie dynamic is confusing me. I'm beginning to think one of them may be scum and it may not be Nero.

lol

[Eddie Cane]

In any case, to be clear: are you willing to kill Nero tonight or not?

[Eddie Cane]

I've read the wiki on millers and ascetic, and it doesn't say that you should expect to always be killed.

there are plenty of bad towns who don't lynch millers and ascetics, thats why scum still fake claim them.

[Eddie Cane]

I think you could just as easily argue lynching town is bad.

what does this even mean

[Eddie Cane]

From a gameplay perspective, the argument can be made that lynching town is worse than keeping neg utility alive.

and if nero reveals as ascetic innocent child we won't lynch him. otherwise, you have no argument.

[Eddie Cane]

After that game, I decided that even if the claim is coming off as legit, it is better to get rid of it.

And you think one game is a fair sample to make an all encompassing policy of?

i think you need to commit to vig nero and we can finally stop wasting pages of discussion on complete bullshit

[Eddie Cane]

I think you are trying to push a town lynch or vig.

i think i am starting to see why i wanted to blacklist you

[Eddie Cane]

yknow tiam, your other option is just vigging me night 4 if nero flips town and you're so sure i'm scum. guess what! you're a vig! you can do that! i think we have spent 150 posts convincing you to vig someone that should literally not take any posts. i am sick of this bullshit.

[Eddie Cane]

It's called getting a consensus. Sorry if I am not just listening to you.

a consensus we reached a long ass time ago. nero was literally just almost lynched and the ONLY REASON HE ISN'T IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A VIG. that is literally consensus right there. both boon and dunker would've still been voting him (let's ignore that he was lynched cause mod error) if you weren't a vig.

[Eddie Cane]

you are just asking circular questions. boon said the same thing i have been for a long time, that titus is obv town from the mulch sub, and said that i'm town for now and that will be reconsidered later on in the game. in fact, i think he's said that a couple times now. this is not going anywhere.

[Eddie Cane]

Well, that's your opinion. I'm not required to vote for someone I don't want to vote for because you are having a hissyfit. My issue the last game is that I did things without understanding the purpose behind it.

your issue last game is you decided i was lock scum for some moronic reason and didn't read any of my very obv town posts. you are required to play towards your wincon, so no, you don't need to vig nero, but if you aren't going to you need to say that.

[Eddie Cane]

yes

[Eddie Cane]

make that 4 times.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: flairs

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Flairs

I think I was still on Two.

If Nero isn't killed tonight, my vote doesn't move from Two and I will prodge the rest of the game.

same here at this point. i've defended him over 100 pages, i'm over it with how he's acting towards me frankly.

[Eddie Cane]

@Boon, if you are saying players that are hard to read shouldn't be lynched in lylo, shouldn't you be lynched before lylo?

if I wasn't, yeah.

Like, during my scum streak when my town game started taking a hit from it, I thought to myself that really everyone should be lynching me Day 1 or Day 2, haha. Had to fix something before that became common knowledge.

the trick is to let teammates hard bus you

[Eddie Cane]

@Boon, if you are saying players that are hard to read shouldn't be lynched in lylo, shouldn't you be lynched before lylo?

if I wasn't, yeah.

Like, during my scum streak when my town game started taking a hit from it, I thought to myself that really everyone should be lynching me Day 1 or Day 2, haha. Had to fix something before that became common knowledge.

the trick is to let teammates hard bus you

I did that. That's how I lost my scum streak.

the trick is to let teammates that aren't awful hard bus you

[Eddie Cane]

You expected more of me in Civ mafia and were a big reason I gave up. You and Math "expect more" after I nail the scumteam.

Starting with the

ATE

early huh?

So you can back away from that expect more or hiding nonsense and engage what I say rather than framing it.

hello scum Titus. When Titus is scum she throws around strongly worded bullshit which doesn't make any sense if you actually pay attention to the conversation. I mean I asked her if her only take away was that Mario was "85% town". She then got all cranky that I was asking her to give reads on everyone/expected her to have reads on everyone. When I pointed out that she was misrepping here she said the above.

Is Mario town to you based on his play?

no

Civ Mafia as a benchmark for play on either side is a poor choice

We were both town reading each other in Civ so why did you say you can't read me?

Gerry is tunneling town, or scum choosing to hide his info. Not solid on this slot regardless.

I think if Titus is scum then this is prob town.

I'm not playing this game with him though

I don't really know what I did that you and Boon find annoying but I really don't care. Though you being Gamma would explain why you think you are better than you are and why you lack the ability to string together a decent case. There always exists the scum strong-arming possibility.

policy lynching me or policy vigging me

JUST

'cause I'm a neg utility is still stupid. If you guys actually think I'm scum then you need to explain why. I mean, Mary is prob an alt of a non-stupid user. Yes, the whole "she's scum defending me for the town cred" crossed my mind but I also tend to think that I come off p obv town as town which is prob why no one can make a case against me.

I think there is some truth to the statement that I could be a liability if enough dumb town are pushing me as scum/OMGUS deathtunneling (Wave/Gerry/Boon?)/ragging about pling me and it's not like I'm all that interested in playing in this toxic mess so vigging me is fine.

I could

maybe

see TIAM as an SK, Like his whole town reading me and then voting me when "public opinion changed". It's very go with the flow.

VOTE: flairs

Like she's been mostly useless and she had that same kinda go with the flow attitude to my wagon. I'd be very surprised if my wagon got to l-1 within 48 hours without scum support. Lynch Titus and Mario when I flip town.

gamma's ok but I'm not him

and I haven't made a real case on you because I don't think you're necessarily scum

[Eddie Cane]

what's annoying about you is your playstyle, you aren't like robbnva for example. honestly, I've been pretty annoyed at mafia lately and you haven't done anything to warrant why I dislike you so much, so sorry I guess. i don't really get why you annoy me, I guess it's your attitude. despite your constant omgus of me I know that doesn't make you scum, and I'm not lynching you as such.

[Eddie Cane]

Mary I will follow you

VOTE: Flairs

Substantial and valid input, especially compared to your big pushes early game.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

VOTE: yumeko jabami

[Eddie Cane]

I'll vote flairs again soon

[Eddie Cane]

i dont really care about titus right now, last time we played i subbed out and insulted her so i'm trying to avoid that

can you explain how the mulch replace out could ever be scum? because mulch was extremely townie to me and that replace out was a massive nail in the town coffin

[Eddie Cane]

i agreed with his thoguhts reading through, its not really a meta read because i haven't played with scum mulch and in the game i spectated with him as scum i already had spoilers

but replacing out is null, sure. this specific one screamed town to me though. he had a mulch temper tantrum because nobody would sheep him, just as he does every single game as town. in the end, his shouting didn't work so he rage replaced. i don't see scum mulch ever doing that. this is stronger by the fact mulch prefers playing scum, is stronger as scum, and prides himself on his scum game. i don't think a scum mulch replaces here because that is not his wincon

[Eddie Cane]

or my townread I've had since d1

[Eddie Cane]

kidamn, you have my approval if you wanna gunsmith titus instead of tiam. i am not tolerating that slot being lynched unless you want to claim a guilty.

[Eddie Cane]

like, of course you dont need my approval to do anything, but i'm not going to let that slot be lynched as long as i'm alive without a guilty.

[Eddie Cane]

Probably makes him not lynchable for a bit based on site meta, but still scum by vote pattern. Highly likely

i scumread him too ftr. i am not lynchign the claim tho.

ftr, he claimed an inno on boon, and wave claimed a soft inno on kid.

[Eddie Cane]

Does this look like a bus to you Eddie?

i don't think una and yumeko are partners. una and excession, maybe. una and mario, maybe.

[Eddie Cane]

was it you who said mary was the alt of a good player

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: mary saotome

lets lynch this