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Waba do dab
Da de dab
Da do dab
VOTE: hyong
I was following this game somewhat and by following I mean occasionally looking at it and go
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Vecna I think is town.
Cheeky I think is town mostly because she is getting pushed by wolves and it sure as hell does not look like hyung is bussing.
I think Brian is town but if T-Bone is town I’ma re-evaluate.
Because I think Brian is town, I am going to sheep him on Pine who I have not gotten the chance to read a single post of yet.
AA9 I kinda want to townread but ultimately I need more content tbh.
@AA9- Hopefully you see this. Where are you at with the game in general and stuff? Like do you have reads that you could explain with like, words? That would be great if you did.
Also I think I might have wolfread PP at a point while I was following along, but that’s something I kind of need to review.| here.GTKAS-
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Hyung - I hate the fact he’s trying to rush the day and using votecounts to do so along with just parroting the “CHEEKY IS A WOLF, CHEEKY IS A WOLF” shit its really wolfy and its a great excuse for him to do literally nothing else. It comes across as a wolf that needs to end the day for some unknown reason, and I kind of am having a hard time finding town motivation in his actions. Like I’m sorry, I don’t think town whines “lynch Cheeky I will hold the game hostage by using official votecounts” like a fucking child, I really don’t.
Bonus points: T-Bone voted Hyung while he was doing that shit, then voted AA9 and never talked about Hyung again.
See, that’s what we call bussing when you feel like you’re wolfbuddy is being so obvious scum that they’re about to be the lynch.
I think I’m running a fever and I haven’t been able to catch a wink of sleep all night so I am going to do that, and try to explain my T-Bone read when I get back, because its a lot more nuanced and there’s more to it then my Hyung read. I would prefer it if people who were on the Cheeky wagon unvoted Cheeky so I can have some time to get into the game and explain my reads and blah blah blah| here.GTKAS-
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actually lolfuckthat I'm not going to be able to get a wink of sleep if this is on my mind hahaha lol xD
Before T-Bone, here are the previews
PP - Honestly I think I need to review this again after I wake up and feel more well rested but I think their Cheeky push was agenda based and thats why I was FoSing them while I was following along.
Fire - Haven't read his posts, and my mind is telling me I should try to read his posting in real time or something, but my body is saying "HE'S THE POWERWOLF, HE'S THE POWERWOLF" even though I haven't read a single one of his posts what the fuck is this a sixth sense or something gawsh. Either way, HOPEFULLY I'll be able to sort this, I don't actually remember reading Fire wrong but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Okay let's talk about T-Bone.
26 is a wolf post
209 Can't say for sure if this is something that pinged me while I was somewhat following along because I have a memory of a fucking goldfish, but I kinda feel like this post is agenda based?
It was that or 219 because THIS is a complete fucking wolfclaim mostly because I don't feel like T-Bone here is pushing a read, but moreso just building up justification for their FoS on Cheeky.
703 + 709 really comes off as an interaction with a partner btw.
The vote in off itself seems like a good justified vote, like there is 0 read T-Bone is pushing here. Its all fact.
Also as I mentioned above, I think this is a moment where T-Bone thought his wolfbuddy was going to get flashwagoned for really scummy behavoir so he paniced and placed a bussing vote, and once he saw that wasn't the case, he moved off of it and stopped.
911 Hate the interaction with NSG here, it feels like an extremely easy way to continue justifying their read on them.
950 Okay this is a really fucking good post that I am willing to sheep if T-Bone flips town, and I agree with most of it actually, when I glanced at Brian's post, it really did feel like he was digging for things. Like especially this coming from Brian
reads like a wolfclaim to me.Buries this in a spoiler tag, but doesn't go into why he townreads Cheeky or fight against her lynch in any way.
And in fact, Brian is saying that he isn't seeing T-Bone's stances, but T-Bone has been provding some stances, he has been pushing NSG and Cheeky and maybe a bit of Pine....
that's it from what I grasped of T-Bone's ISO?
Anyhow.
Look dude, we need to talk.
Who's town? I know very clearly that you wolfread a bunch of people or whatever, I don't care about that, and if I missed who you actually townread on a glance of your ISO, let me know and point me towards that direction please.
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I'm townreading you because I feel like you would be attempting to put way more effort into a wolfgame and you would be making an attempt to powerwolf the fuck out of the thread atm. You kind of seem disengaged and disinterested and I feel like that's a towntell for you?In post 1058, Vecna wrote:I also have sort of a semi. not sure whether its because of the post or because ali is townreading me from the get go.| here.GTKAS-
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/me opens hyung's isoIn post 1061, Gammagooey wrote:dickholes do that
and i've found repeatedly that dickholes can be of either alignment, but are actually at least slightly more often town than not b/c their dickholeism is coming from a place of 'im right everyone else is wrong and is being terrible instead of doing everything I want' as opposed to doing things to cover their scumass if their target does flip town
375 is a Cheeky vote
610 Cheeky could have a better time reading people when she gets pushed. I feel like the wording and phrasing here is wolf!indiciative as well because this doesn't come across as sorting or trying to figure out if Cheeky is town, this comes across as pushing an agenda based read.
And then...
literally
nothing else.
No other content.
For the most part it stops there.
Okay they're being a dick, so what?
Are the actions town motivated?
Fuck no.
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Like, I am genuinely frazzled on what is town motivated in hyung's iso.
Please throw me a bone or something, I would like to understand what this person is doing to avoid a lynch today.
And also yes, while you're at it, please tell me why people are voting Cheeky being lynchable is something that is normal for her btw.| here.GTKAS-
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Gamma I got it was a quick read, I like your 902 in the fact that I like you. However I feel like the behavior you’re describing Cheeky with I am having a hard time agreeing with? Like, I feel like the behavior you’re describing doesn’t make me think it comes from a wolf. Town CAN produce that behavior, and I think Cheeky’s chaoticiness (if that’s even a word) in response to Reck and hyung and PP is town indicative (going by how you’re describing it). It feels a lot more in line with lynchbait towny “I am trying to solve the game” behavior then “I am looking for an out” wolf behavoir.
I think the replace out request that got rescinded is also towny mostly because I kind of just don’t feel like that behavoir is in line with a wolf. I kind of want to TR cheeky for that interaction with PP in general.| here.GTKAS-
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Vecna the way you should do votecounts if you just need to move your vote around is go something like
T-Bone (1): Vecna
Not Voting: Everyone else
It gets the point across of who you want your vote to be swapped to| here.GTKAS-
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Effort and long coherent posts isn’t alignment indicative.In post 1098, Vecna wrote:
Im guessing tbone is the type of player that is able to easily fabricate long coherent posts as scum? So far ive been under the impression he seems pretty town.In post 1095, Alisae wrote:Can people talk to me about their T—bone read please ty <3| here.GTKAS-
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Dude whatever are you going to talk to me about T—Bone or what besides that.In post 1102, Vecna wrote:thats a rather strange statement in isolation after using ny effort levels to read me| here.GTKAS-
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Forgot to address this
And who are these people that are TRing herIn post 1076, Brian Skies wrote:People are townreading or ignoring her, I don't know why.\
Gemerald and I have taken issue with her case against Gemerald, and I don't think she's done anything worthy of a townread. There are also things like her interactions surrounding Mutante (in which I question and almost feels like a defense of that slot) and her seemingly breaking V/LA to respond to suspicions thrown at her but her ignoring pretty much anything else.| here.GTKAS-
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T—Bone is a better lynch though...
The way I’m interpreting the AA9 votes is
“HEY I AM ANNOYED WITH THIS LURKER I WANT TO VOTE IT.”
I mean sure it can be a wolf but T—Bone is a juicier lynch
HOP ON IT
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But if I have to vote it when it comes to like deadline I will.
I have 3 days I want to see if I can get people to vote T—Bone with me, but chances are I’m not going to be able to get anyone to vote anyone with the way things are going currently| here.GTKAS-
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In post 1059, Alisae wrote:actually lolfuckthat I'm not going to be able to get a wink of sleep if this is on my mind hahaha lol xD
Before T-Bone, here are the previews
PP - Honestly I think I need to review this again after I wake up and feel more well rested but I think their Cheeky push was agenda based and thats why I was FoSing them while I was following along.
Fire - Haven't read his posts, and my mind is telling me I should try to read his posting in real time or something, but my body is saying "HE'S THE POWERWOLF, HE'S THE POWERWOLF" even though I haven't read a single one of his posts what the fuck is this a sixth sense or something gawsh. Either way, HOPEFULLY I'll be able to sort this, I don't actually remember reading Fire wrong but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Okay let's talk about T-Bone.
26 is a wolf post
209 Can't say for sure if this is something that pinged me while I was somewhat following along because I have a memory of a fucking goldfish, but I kinda feel like this post is agenda based?
It was that or 219 because THIS is a complete fucking wolfclaim mostly because I don't feel like T-Bone here is pushing a read, but moreso just building up justification for their FoS on Cheeky.
703 + 709 really comes off as an interaction with a partner btw.
The vote in off itself seems like a good justified vote, like there is 0 read T-Bone is pushing here. Its all fact.
Also as I mentioned above, I think this is a moment where T-Bone thought his wolfbuddy was going to get flashwagoned for really scummy behavoir so he paniced and placed a bussing vote, and once he saw that wasn't the case, he moved off of it and stopped.
911 Hate the interaction with NSG here, it feels like an extremely easy way to continue justifying their read on them.
950 Okay this is a really fucking good post that I am willing to sheep if T-Bone flips town, and I agree with most of it actually, when I glanced at Brian's post, it really did feel like he was digging for things. Like especially this coming from Brian
reads like a wolfclaim to me.Buries this in a spoiler tag, but doesn't go into why he townreads Cheeky or fight against her lynch in any way.
And in fact, Brian is saying that he isn't seeing T-Bone's stances, but T-Bone has been provding some stances, he has been pushing NSG and Cheeky and maybe a bit of Pine....
that's it from what I grasped of T-Bone's ISO?
Anyhow.
Look dude, we need to talk.
Who's town? I know very clearly that you wolfread a bunch of people or whatever, I don't care about that, and if I missed who you actually townread on a glance of your ISO, let me know and point me towards that direction please.
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See NSG this doesn’t help me, but I assume you WILL give me something to work with so I will wait :3In post 1121, northsidegal wrote:hi
so i'm not really convinced on a t-bone wagon. from what i remember from team mafia mathdino went through a lot of frustration with t-bone that i've tried to take into account and so i've been townreading him. i don't remember much of the specifics of that game to go into a really in-depth explanation but i haven't really seen him as scum. also, i definitely agreed with what he said about brian skies, so if anything i'd prefer to vote there.
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I’ve been putting it off and I kinda want to know who TRs her because if its like Firebringer and people who play with NSG and are more familiar then I am but on a cursory look I kinda just think she’s town.In post 1123, Brian Skies wrote:Ali, have you looked at NSG yet or what?| here.GTKAS-
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Why you didn’t help me: I need something to refute againstIn post 1125, northsidegal wrote:
anyone familiar enough with my meta should easily have me as town this game alreadyIn post 1124, Alisae wrote:
See NSG this doesn’t help me, but I assume you WILL give me something to work with so I will wait :3In post 1121, northsidegal wrote:hi
so i'm not really convinced on a t-bone wagon. from what i remember from team mafia mathdino went through a lot of frustration with t-bone that i've tried to take into account and so i've been townreading him. i don't remember much of the specifics of that game to go into a really in-depth explanation but i haven't really seen him as scum. also, i definitely agreed with what he said about brian skies, so if anything i'd prefer to vote there.
i'll probably go through and respond to some things now.
are you really going to force me to actually respond to gamma's case
Why I think you will give me something to work with: I think you would give me a reason on why T—Bone is town so I can then look at it, consider it, and then agree or disagree with it.| here.GTKAS-
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Brian I interpreted that as a wolfclaim because I feel like thats an angle that a wolf would use to push T—Bone.
Tbh I thought he had a read prior to that on NSG like I was mostly going through that ISO to find the bits of posts I saw while I was following along and said “OMG T—BONE IS A FUCKING WOLF”
So honestly the “continueing” part could totally be invalid.
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Also I don’t think meta is a tool that will help with T—Bone because he constantly says that meta is trash and from when I’ve heard him rant on sitechat about meta awhile back, I am interpreting T—Bone as the type of player that is extremely self-aware and can fake his meta.| here.GTKAS-
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Yes wolves can react like that.
I think you are underestimating how big T—Bone’s wolf range is.
And my arguement isn’t people who hate meta can’t fake their meta, its T-Bone has the ability to fake his meta.
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That is also a good post.
My read on you is moreso 1 wolf in {T—Bone, Brian} because of those posts.
I’m only doing that because I feel like I interpret that arguement as a TvS. I don’t like T—Bone’s ending bit of it because it kind of came across as “this is a fight I really do not want to pick because I feel like I would lose it” so I am pushing there first.| here.GTKAS-
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no not this.In post 1163, Brian Skies wrote:In post 1157, Alisae wrote:I don’t like T—Bone’s ending bit of it because it kind of came across as “this is a fight I really do not want to pick because I feel like I would lose it” so I am pushing there first.
^That?In post 994, T-Bone wrote:Which is why I ask for feedback when I make substantial statements, because I'm trying to have perspective, and trying to be very clear about my thought process so everyone knows where I stand.
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THATS THE ONEIn post 1164, Brian Skies wrote:
Or maybe this?In post 950, T-Bone wrote:Now...I say all these with a caveat. It looks pretty obvious from my point of view, because I know I'm town, and I know what I am and am not doing in this game. So given what I said above...who thinks I got it right? Does anyone think I don't have this right and we shouldn't lynch Brian over this?
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Yeah let’s jam for 8 hours straight we’ll get a banner!!!!!!In post 1170, CheekyTeeky wrote:Are we all town?| here.GTKAS-
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In post 734, xRECKONERx wrote:no seriously hyung how does this accelerate day
I can buy this coming from wolf!Reck knowing that hyung is town because it doesn’t really seem that interested and it’s not something he really cares about.In post 735, xRECKONERx wrote:oh.
hm.
nevermind.
cheeky ill let you get your thoughts out on me before i hammer if you can do it asap
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I hate the pine is a wolf bit here it feels really wolfy.In post 760, xRECKONERx wrote:i wasn't okay with it
it's why i explicitly asked for my iso read before i did anything
pine is scum
no, whyIn post 744, Brian Skies wrote:Reck, are you a doublevoter?
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This is a post that really doesn’t do much for me in terms of content, and is partially the only real content that Reck has posted at the time I think?In post 811, xRECKONERx wrote:@cheeky: okay so like
1. my vote on firebringer was solely bc he had the highest post count at the time and i wanted to see what the hell would happen if i asked him to fill in the blank. thought it might catch out some dumbscum
2. i softclaimed because i softclaimed. it's a flavorclaim more than a roleclaim and it'll be obvious why later. my long relationship with UT is 99% of the reason
3. i have been operating on the hyung=marquis theory the whole game. granted hyung claims that he isn't marquis. but i just SO see it as a marquis style username and also marquis is famous for having a fuckload of alts and due to that, having paid CLOSE attention to marquis during team mafia (bc he was buddies with shea), i didnt see the brazen play as coming from scumMarquis. yes this is meta, fuck yourselves
4. idk what to say to this.
5. i dont think i can ever read tbone well. he just sits back forever and it's literally a coin flip on if he's town or scum. i cant read motivations because there arent any. that's why im hesitant.
6. yes, im holding back. because team mafia was :::::effort::::: and i hated every waking moment of it. i signed up for this due to april fools trolls and i intend to have fun
However 6 seems kinda towny to me at the same time.
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I hate this kind of stuff pretty much always but I see town do it so fucking often.In post 827, xRECKONERx wrote:firebringer isn't even right about why im bothered by nsg's posting style.
he literally just saw a chance to jump in and try to gain towncred by mediating
most comfortable place for scum to be is mediating between two town who have beef
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I as well gutread Hiplop as townIn post 1177, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I gut read Hiplop town too.In post 1174, Brian Skies wrote:I'm also gutreading Hiplop as town (where did this guy go) and he said Reck was scummy, so yeah...| here.GTKAS-
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I can name a reason why she’s town, and a good one too!In post 1197, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay then. She's still scum for numerous other reasons though.
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I’m not even outing a read on you, saying I had one would be a lie. I’m just saying you’re probably pushing town.In post 1202, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You suck at reading me, so don't even. The one time you townread me you were scum.In post 1201, Alisae wrote:
I can name a reason why she’s town, and a good one too!In post 1197, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay then. She's still scum for numerous other reasons though.
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No I can construe that as a reason under this basis: You generally aren’t very accurate with your reads (saying you would be is what we would call a lie) and as a result, you will be generally pushing town!
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I literally got only 3 hours of sleep Cheeky this is flying over my head D:In post 1207, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Aw but you're Alisae Trimagistus!In post 1198, Alisae wrote:Cheeky I just got 3 hours of sleep and you dissapoint me by hoping off T—Bone
I feel disrespected
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lmao okIn post 1208, Gamma Emerald wrote:That falls under my second reason though: me consistently pushing town makes nsg more likely to be town. And I have better read accuracy then you think, and I can point out some of my better games to you if you'd like. Not that you'd really care.| here.GTKAS-
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<—- Don Corleone BannerIn post 1209, CheekyTeeky wrote:Alisae if you're scum I'm going to be sad.
Luckily I’m town
In post 1210, Vecna wrote:Alisae really wants T-bone dead it seems. Maybe we should give in and just end the day here.
HEY I’M BEING CHARISMATIC OKAY ITS NOT LIKE WE GOT A LOT OF TIME ITS ALMOST DEADLINE YOU LEAVE ME ALONE THERE BUDDY D:In post 1211, Vecna wrote:So if we can all flash-vote there, ill make it into a nice VC, and its a done deal| here.GTKAS-
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827 is the kind of stuff I see from town a lot and I kind of just looked at all of the posts I quoted once I finished the ISO dive and went “I could see the hyung interactions I quoted coming from town!reck” and tried to see what I believed in more, the posts where I called Reck wolfy or the posts where I called Reck town.
And I believed in the posts where I called Reck town > the posts where I called Reck a wolf.
And like I kinda just feel like you’re town?
It’s really hard to describe
But I feel like you’re playing you’re town game?
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I think it comes from town because it reads really reactive to me and I think its a type of reactive posting I see from town more then wolves?
Also your town game as in I just think you’re town its not meta I don’t even have meta on you.| here.GTKAS