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I obviously don't town read you because I'm voting you
I don't have three town reads.
I don't have one.
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Toranaga and Quick can be town.
Still liking my sheeped vote on Hopkirk.-
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Flying snakes have been observed traveling up to 330 feet in the air, and changing direction mid flight.
Yeah, freaks me the hell out too.
Well, again, I have a vote in play, so...In post 424, Quick wrote:Who do you SR?
I don't have any scum reads strong enough to want to yell about them.
There are a lot of slots I'd be happy to lynch though.
I am absolutely certain.In post 428, Centipede Syndrome wrote:thor it's a large are you sure you're not just random.org'ing your reads kappa keepo
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What makes you see that as scum intentioned considering he did it after the wagon on him was losing steam?In post 440, Srceenplay wrote:
The “poor me” I shouldn’t be here. Probably getting lynched anyway. That’s AtEIn post 438, Quick wrote:I am not known for AtE. But explain.-
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So he wrote something that made you think maybe you should feel bad for yourself, so, by definition he's scum?In post 451, Srceenplay wrote:
Because when I read it I thought to myself “Smurf that. Don’t try to make me feel bad for voting you”. That seems like scum to me.In post 447, Thor665 wrote:
What makes you see that as scum intentioned considering he did it after the wagon on him was losing steam?In post 440, Srceenplay wrote:
The “poor me” I shouldn’t be here. Probably getting lynched anyway. That’s AtEIn post 438, Quick wrote:I am not known for AtE. But explain.
That doesn't make sense.
His wagon was already dying - why would he fake AtE at that stage?
And if it's not fake, then it's real, and is NAI.
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@Tor - I am not getting your town lean on either Screen or Hopkirk.
The Hopkirk one I disagree with, but at least understand where you're coming from.
What's up with the Screen one though?-
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I'd lynch him on a happy lark right now.In post 658, Toranaga wrote:hopkirk is a weak townlean, can go eitehr way etc. would not lynch rn.
He is not towning.
That would be your Auska/Grey/Centipede?In post 658, Toranaga wrote:do you agree with my wolf reads?
I agree on Centipede, that slot looks very iffy.
I skipped the first few pages so am missing some of the context for your Auska/Grey reads.
The Auska one, as described, makes sense, I don't see it as outside Auska townplay, but it also seems a perfectly reasonable idea to lynch her over. I'd help lynch her.
The Grey one seems a stretch - I don't even get how you're calling the 1st post scummy. If I squint I'd argue it's scumhunting, but it mostly looks like null nothingness.
His avatar is clearly a poor choice on the lynchability spectrum.In post 660, Toranaga wrote:thor, that post you quoted is awful from screen tbh. as cheeky said though, he is always someone people wolfread, and I think for making posts like these that might be NAI for him.
that goddamn avatar can't help either.
His argument on Quick started paper thin and is going micron thin for me at this stage because, if he's town, he's clearly not engaging beyond surface level tells.
If you say that's super normal for him...well, I'd say 'name me who else on the Quick wagon you'd like to lynch, because I'm excited in that idea'.
But I see a lot of scum motivation in what he's doing and not much town.-
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Get a wagon going on him and I'd back it.In post 713, Spiffeh wrote:I think Panopticon looks p. bad and no one is talking about them
I'd actually kind of like to see you off Brian and onto Hopkirk, personally, but Panopticon looks more interesting than Brian as a wagon to me also, which makes me wonder why you're spinning your wheels there.
I can't even recall the last point anyone really advanced much on him - though I'll admit 10 pages back only takes us to yesterday evening, but still
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In post 751, Quick wrote:@Thor, Remember how I caught you with that little thing where you were talking to Town about how I was Scum without explicitly SRing me? I sorta feel this is the same type of thing... Screen doesn't give his reasons for SRing me until he accuses me of AtE.
Is he though?In post 818, Spiffeh wrote:
My read's not stale Brian is still scummyIn post 737, Thor665 wrote:Get a wagon going on him and I'd back it.I'd actually kind of like to see you off Brian and onto Hopkirk, personally, but Panopticon looks more interesting than Brian as a wagon to me also, which makes me wonder why you're spinning your wheels there.I can't even recall the last point anyone really advanced much on him - though I'll admit 10 pages back only takes us to yesterday evening, but still
Refresh your stale read or move?
The best case I could describe on him is the odd reaction to Auska.
From what I've read of analysis of her posts and his posts at the time...I actually agree that his reaction was generally warranted.
Now, I can see you still thinking that's scummy, but...
1. Has he done nothing else worth voting over since?
2. Why aren't you advocating for him if you believe in the vote strong enough to park on it while the rest of the game is clearly ignoring him as an option now (and, indeed, some are starting to town sort him while you sit there silently)
3. You really have no *stronger* scum read on anyone else for any reason? (<--this is the part making me curl my toes at your play slightly)
Whassup?
I want to put you in a town sort - why you making it hard?-
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Whiffed that post...still back on page 35, but since for every page I read another pops up, might as well just break up this post.
from above - @Quick - basically you're just arguing that not explaining reads is scummy. I'll agree with that. Indeed, I've already said I scumread the slot. What point are you trying to advance here? I already town read you and scumread him, so...?
Please don't waste time with AtE.In post 813, Centipede Syndrome wrote:i actually don't mind being lynched if I'm sheeped unconditionally after and d1 lasts 75 pages or so.
for people who don't know I'd recomend them search around for certain things about me lel
You've been called out on doing spit - you are half agreeing with it.
Either up your apparent activity, or accept that this is a scumtell you'll absorb repeatedly.
I don't like the yucky feel of the bargain toss out.-
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It's been serious for some time now.In post 795, Hopkirk wrote:Why Hop scum? I assume it's serious now.
You look like an opportunistic reactive to me.
That reads scum.
Panop's read list did not fill me with town vibes for the slot, it was so different from my reads either I have to be a dunderhead, or Panop has motivations.
I don't accept that I'm a dunderhead because my mommy tells me I'm special.
So...
Why do you townread Hopkirk?In post 953, Ausuka wrote:{Creature, quick, hopkirk, nero, beeboy}
I'd be willing to wager fair money that at least one scumboi is using that as an excuse to do Smurf-all right now.In post 944, Toranaga wrote:I'm joyfully ignoring panop and other people who do nothing but complain that quick exists and how he plays
Which, of course, is actually an argument that Quick *should* adjust his style
But, yeah, I don't get it, the whole game is spammy, Quick is the biggest poster but not by that much, I've been in far worse situations by far, this seems rather normal - especially in a game advertised for wanting activity.
So, yeah, some of the complaints are going to be forced and faked.-
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Not at all, but I'll field your answers too.In post 1091, Srceenplay wrote:Is this toward me?
So you're basically running off a ping you can't even describe when directly asked.In post 1091, Srceenplay wrote:1: Idk. I’m 10-ish pages behind.
2: I did ask for their lynch. It’s not my style to make elaborate cases. I can’t do that. I see weird Smurf that pings me and I go vote it.
3: Not really. Brian pinged me earlier but I don’t remember why. I would have to iso.
Dude, I am a strong advocate of 1 sentence cases, and even in my world this is weaksauce.
What do you think you're doing to help town wincon?
I'm pretty sure the reality answer is: nothing.
I can easily describe how your play aids scum wincon.
Planning to adjust this, or do you consider your style awesome as is?
Kind of funny in relation to your other post I'm quoting hereIn post 1051, Srceenplay wrote:Ok.
If people are town reading quick, what I’m I doing wrong? What is I don’t see?
My quick (pun intended) answer would be this - what is he doing that's advancing scum wincon exactly?
The "scum case" on him basically sums up as 'he's posting gak to bog town down" (and a simple playstyle check will tell you this is NAI) and "he's dropping intentional fake town slips" to which my rebuttal is - he's not actually trying to bank on them in any meaningful way, and, frankly, I kinda doubt scum him would bother - can you show me a game where he did that as scum? I bet the answer is no.
That's the case on him.
The case for him being town is he's here, he's active, he's rocking the boat, and, within the context of how he plays, he appears to be trying to gamesolve.
Which is more than I can say for easily six other players.
So EVEN IF you want to call him scum - the real question is why aren't those six other lurksacks opportunistic voters MORE scummy to you?
And that's a decent reason to scumread you, frankly.
I'll preface this with "I'm shockingly impressed Quick remembered a game from 2016"In post 1086, Centipede Syndrome wrote:have you read or are you aware of inventions mafia
But, as far as I'm aware I didn't play in Invention Mafia, and I basically never read a game that I don't play in.
So I would go with "no".
Now that we've wasted time - would you like to just fast forward to the meta point you're about to make? Save me extra time and provide a relevant link to a post/ISO in question when you do. Because that will be my immediate follow up question if you present meta. Thanks!
It is blatantly obviously their playstyle.In post 1088, GreyICE wrote:I think every vote on Quick is because people are tired of him generating almost 8 pages of "content" in a game that's less than two days old. I know between him and Torantaga I'm damn close to replacing out because this Smurf is dreadful to read, and I'm coming close to supporting a policy lynch.
If this isn't sabre rattling you should replace out now - they're obviously not going to change and the game will take 2-3 game days to start slowing and you know it.
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I'm waiting for a wagon that had very minor support and that I've been slowly pushing all the while softly gaining it town support by making people notice that you're kinda scummy?In post 1136, Hopkirk wrote:Admittedly self centric, but It's painfully obvious there's a potential wagon hanging over me right now and I get the feeling Thor's waiting for it.
Yeah, that's true.
Pretty sure it's called good wagon building play.
What did you expect/want my reads to add outside of me stating my reads?In post 1136, Hopkirk wrote:His early townreads (Torn/Quick/BB) don't add anything since they're common.
His defence of Quick was after the quick wagon played its course.
His scum leans on me/Screen don't add anything.
Are you complaining that I answered a question about reads, or complaining that I didn't volunteer more?In post 1136, Hopkirk wrote:-only gives reads on people Torn asked about and adds utterly nothing to any of the reads.
The former is silly.
The latter is only slightly less silly, because you could always ask me for reads yourself if you think it's an issue and *then* call me out if I don't give them.
What do you think the reasons are, since you're implying it's scummy?In post 1136, Hopkirk wrote:-Slight reasoning given on Screen but doesn't actually move forward to vote screen. Could have potentially moved things forward but hung on me (non wagon that could bloom) instead for unclear reasons.
You're right, it said something about *Thor*.In post 1136, Hopkirk wrote:1080- An iffy reasoning to not vote Brian that doesn't really say anything aboutBrian
I find the idea I haven't advanced original thoughts to be laughable and easily disproved - that said, presuming we accept this as true - why is my brand of lack of originality different and more questionable than other brands?In post 1136, Hopkirk wrote:I'll admit I don't know his town meta, but it feels like he's added nothing and he's waiting for something. I don't really say any original thought/effort/proactiveness there.
Because I feel like the legit answer is 'Because Thor is voting me" which is...silly.-
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I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.In post 1158, CheekyTeeky wrote:Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
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Tchill wagon is an interesting wagon on a primarily null slot.In post 1161, Toranaga wrote:
is there any reason you are not voting tchill right now? check his ISO pleaseIn post 1160, Thor665 wrote:
I'm spending the entire post mocking him and denigrating his case on me.In post 1158, CheekyTeeky wrote:Thor do you scum read Hopkirk? 1157 feels like you're talking to town.
If that's a town/town conversation to you then it's a town/town conversation - it is what it is and I said what I said.
I do scum read him - I'm voting him don't'cha know.
I'm not trying to rip it down, don't expect me to pretend it's more than it is though.
Pedit - his last defense posts here are worthy of a bit more meat to the fire though, so now you have that going for you.
Your rebuttal suggests I'm actually being quite accurate.In post 1162, Srceenplay wrote:@thor, you’re full of Smurf.
So...
I think Quick is town and srceenplay is scum, so am suspicious you're mixing up my reads there somewhat.In post 1163, CheekyTeeky wrote:Why are you phrasing his actions as silly instead of scummy? Clearly you don't think silly and scummy are the same thing looking at your srceenplay and Quick reads.
I don't actually find his attack post particularly scummy outside of being full of bad logic, which is more a silly tell than a scumtell.
Do you find his post I'm mocking to be scummy?
I don't - it could easily just be bad town being paranoid.
The rest of his iso is pretty suspect though, and his inability to move past an exceedingly minor push on him is inherently scummy regardless of how articulate his issue with my push is or is not.
I think your slot is scummy too.
Bins can be town just for this post.In post 1202, Bins wrote:I don't know how to feel about wagons growing and then disappearing this quickly. Can town please be more town and stop jumping around like crazy and wait to even get a proper reaction, thx.-
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@Srceenplay - So you ask for a town read explanation on someone.
Get it.
Then just start screaming that the person offering the read is full of Smurf over and over instead of debating the read.
I don't get you.
Are you five or something?
Because then it would make sense.
Otherwise - what was the point exactly?
1. Sure? Never disagreed.In post 1230, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Comments in purple.In post 1219, Thor665 wrote:I think Quick is town and srceenplay is scum, so am suspicious you're mixing up my reads there somewhat.
Yes I was pointing out that being silly isn't AI from your pushes.
I don't actually find his attack post particularly scummy outside of being full of bad logic, which is more a silly tell than a scumtell.
Do you find his post I'm mocking to be scummy?
No I don't find him that scummy, and don't understand mocking someone as a way to get an AI response. The way you've approached him reminds me of how you belittled my thoughts and spoke to me as town when we were SvT. Though the way you're taking interacting with me seriously eases that paranoia somewhat.
I don't - it could easily just be bad town being paranoid.
The rest of his iso is pretty suspect though, and his inability to move past an exceedingly minor push on him is inherently scummy regardless of how articulate his issue with my push is or is not.
I think you're being stubborn and there's better slots to push.
2. I'm pretty sure people would claim I belittle and mock regardless of alignment. The reality is I joke, and it comes across highly superior for reasons I haven't quite figured out how to disable.
3. Are there? It's not like anyone is actually really pushing his slot, and frankly I'm the only one obligating Srceenplay to any interaction. If I thought town could hold onto a wagon for five seconds I'd move, but frankly during my catchup this morning I missed something like two flashwagons before even people had responded to or analyzed them - defeating the entire point of bothering.
People should come join me on my wagon, and come into it with the concept that you'll sit there for at least 24 hours or something.
Who do you think i should be better spending my time pressuring exactly? I can't even tell who you're pressuring unless it's me - and that's a waste of my time to join you on, so...?-
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It's not shade to suggest you being unable to describe a read as not good for town or town play.
It's objective fact.
DO you disagree?
Do you think you're helping town wincon right now?-
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Because you're calling it BS...but...it's not.-
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This is my other "shade" on you.In post 1151, Thor665 wrote:So EVEN IF you want to call him scum - the real question is why aren't those six other lurksacks opportunistic voters MORE scummy to you?
And, buddy, it's a giant leafy shade tree.
Want to step out from under it and not just whine BS as a defense? Maybe take me up on the challenge or analyze your own views?-
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That's not true - what I said was you couldn't describe it. Which IS true.
What I called scummy was your inability to explain how a theoretical six worse players were less scummy than your current top scumspect.In post 1244, Srceenplay wrote:You are trying to call my playstlye anti town. That’s like saying I don’t deserve to be playing this game.
Am I awesome and able to be a town leader. No. And I don’t try because that’s not what I do. Iirc you called it playstyle as well and now you call it scumy.
That you didn't take me up on the challenge shows I'm right that you couldn't.
That it offends you suggests I have a point that it's weak play.
I'm sorry that offends you - but since it appears to be true, and all I'm saying is that it's not good for town if you're town (which is also objectively true) why are you busting my balls instead of trying to explain your reads better?
I actually describe activity as townish, and suggest that lurking is scummy - the opposite of what you think I'm saying. Go look at my words again.In post 1244, Srceenplay wrote:Your town read didn’t sit well either.
You describe what scum would be trying to do and the describe activity as scumy when it should be nai unless you have meta on someone that says otherwise.In post 1151, Thor665 wrote:The case for him being town is he's here, he'sactive, he'srocking the boat, and, within the context of how he plays, heappears to be trying to gamesolve.
Which is more than I can say for easily six other players.
So EVEN IF you want to call him scum - the real question is why aren't those six other lurksacks opportunistic voters MORE scummy to you?
Does this realization change your attitude towards my read?
I also disagree that scum tend to be active, be rocking the boat, and be trying to gamesolve.
If you think that's what scum do what do you think town do?
That's silly and illogical. It IS your problem if you're asking me to do something other than what I'm doing but have no actual drive to explain what else I should do.In post 1245, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Not Hopkirk.In post 1234, Thor665 wrote:Who do you think i should be better spending my time pressuring exactly? I can't even tell who you're pressuring unless it's me - and that's a waste of my time to join you on, so...?
Not my problem try reading my posts. Point taken about wagon jumping though...still I like my style ^^
I clearly think I'm doing okay with what I'm doing, so I have no desire to random change based on nothing.
All he's doing in that post is making a case on me.In post 1300, Ausuka wrote:
it looks genuinely uninformed. like, I don't see someone who knows every alignment writing that.In post 1297, GreyICE wrote:That justification seems very weak. What about the post is "super townie"?
How does that look genuinely uninformed?-
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Could you quote it for me?
What is the lie or subconscious slip you've caught anyone doing so far?In post 1312, Srceenplay wrote:My point was you are using activity as AI. I meant to say lack of activity you are saying is scumy. You describe what scum should be trying to do as AI. You are looking at surface level Smurf and trying to make something out of it. That’s fake. You find scum from lies or subconscious slips. The later is what I like.
You're changing your vote tome, what is the lie or slip I did?
There are assuredly players who will openly self admit that their activity changes with alignment.In post 1312, Srceenplay wrote:no it doesn’t change my attitude.
I’m not saying “scum are active”. Scum can be active and inactive. Town can be active and inactive. NAI. Trying to pass it as scum hunting is fake.
I already said what town should do.
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@Srceenplay - It also just occurred to me that you're raging at me for "surface tells" of activity.
Your best explained read is on Quick - and is that he's doing AtE and when I asked you how the AtE benefited his scum plan you couldn't/chose not to answer.
That's your deep level analysis on him?
Your Brian read is a ping.
All of your other reads are less explained than that.
I'm fine with surface level reads, I think they work great. I respect deep reads, I think they also work.
But you raging on me for being too surface when that's your entire case presentation feels fake to me. There definitely feels like a double standard happening here, especially since you're kind of straw manning my Quick read into activity (or at least claiming analysis of scumhunting equates to a shallow activity read - which I would disagree with).-
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Okay, I understand that's the post.
Can you explain the case/deeper read?-
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That also wasn't Brain, but, whatever.-
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Gork can be town now.
Tor and Grey - unless one of you is advancing this debate as a scum read on the other, I personally vote for letting it go.-
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Two to tangoIn post 1339, Toranaga wrote:
it is better to let it go and take the high road, sure. easier said than done when the guy keeps insulting me at every opportunity, no? he is a potato player after all. I'm not even lying...In post 1335, Gorkington wrote:i dont really understand why youd keep escalating this by referring to him as a potato still.
probably better to just let this go and focus on other things?
What do you make of Srceenplay's recent back and forth with me?
He's dancing a beautifully hard to read line between looking like dense town or looking like scum trying to cover his BS with aggro, and I'm having a hard time parsing it.
I'm currently leaning him getting offended as a town tell - do you see the meat there I'm seeing, or do you disagree and think he's bamboozling me?-
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@Grey - I'd actually love your take on the question I asked Toranaga above also about Srceenplay.-
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You don't think that him getting legit pissed about me mocking the entire concept of his town game as performed here is alignment indicative?In post 1349, GreyICE wrote:As they say, NAI. You pissed him off, he got pissed off. That's genuine. It's also not alignment indicative.
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1. And yet you agree a wagon energy is building on you. So...In post 1358, Hopkirk wrote:-Good wagon building involves actually pushing the wagon/me. You've been voteparking without generating content that makes a wagon form.
-On 1136: given my vote justification is very clearly 'you aren't contributing anything new', it's pretty obvious my problem with you only given reads when directly asked is that it's an example of you not contributing anything new. The 'case' is that you've been reactive and done nothing proactive (as of it).
-Your brand of unoriginality is worse because a.) as you've said, yeah because you're on me. That makes it stand out more to me, and b.) nothing you've said has sparked me as having town POV/thought process.
2. Being reactive and not offering new things are two different issues entirely, and you're basically trying to kind of claim both now. I disagree, there are many points I instigated, and also many new ideas I have presented.
3. I'm sorry you're scum and being reactive and scummy or are town with a very strange and narrow view of the game.-
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Why is that?In post 1362, Quick wrote: given the nature of Thor's push, I would say it's pretty NAI.
1. The rest of your post was you saying you generically scum read the slot (clearly I do also - so...what, was I supposed to just say that?)and then saying what you would do if you had a Vig on the slot (which was really just a way of restating that you generically scum read him). What conversation/feedback were you looking for on those points?In post 1360, GreyICE wrote:
1) I wish you'd respond to the entire post, this chopping posts to bits and responding to a small part makes me not want to talk to youIn post 1352, Thor665 wrote:
You don't think that him getting legit pissed about me mocking the entire concept of his town game as performed here is alignment indicative?In post 1349, GreyICE wrote:As they say, NAI. You pissed him off, he got pissed off. That's genuine. It's also not alignment indicative.
Why would he get legit pissed if he was scum?
2) Yes, responding angrily to mockery is NAI. It should not be hard to figure out why.
2. You don't think the nature of what is being mocked can effect the honesty of the reply? I know when people say 'Thor you're better than this' when I'm playing scum my internal response is 'yeah, but I'm scum' not 'damn you for questioning my town game!' Now, in public I try to react the same - but that's the point, yeah? One is honest and one is flim flam.
Which post?In post 1359, Quick wrote:@Thor, Why was Gork Town for that post?
I'm putting him in town for an ongoing series of posts that feel both honest and town minded.
@Toranaga - I asked you a question about Srceenplay, would still like you to field it.
@Srceenplay - I asked you to showcase the deep scumhunting you do. Please help me learn your scumhunting skills by explaining what you see on Quick a bit, I'm stuck on the surface.-
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1. Who are these people specifically?In post 1437, Hopkirk wrote:
-Wagon energy is building on me because assorted (mostly scummy) people are saying they don't like me but not voting me. You aren't doing anything to push it. Like I said, it feels like you're waiting and hoping it builds from the undercurrent.In post 1430, Thor665 wrote:
1. And yet you agree a wagon energy is building on you. So...In post 1358, Hopkirk wrote:-Good wagon building involves actually pushing the wagon/me. You've been voteparking without generating content that makes a wagon form.
-On 1136: given my vote justification is very clearly 'you aren't contributing anything new', it's pretty obvious my problem with you only given reads when directly asked is that it's an example of you not contributing anything new. The 'case' is that you've been reactive and done nothing proactive (as of it).
-Your brand of unoriginality is worse because a.) as you've said, yeah because you're on me. That makes it stand out more to me, and b.) nothing you've said has sparked me as having town POV/thought process.
2. Being reactive and not offering new things are two different issues entirely, and you're basically trying to kind of claim both now. I disagree, there are many points I instigated, and also many new ideas I have presented.
3. I'm sorry you're scum and being reactive and scummy or are town with a very strange and narrow view of the game.
-I was claiming you did both from the start. As of the iso i did, you had next to noghting new.
-If you think I'm reactive you aren't reading me. Especially when you're trying to say you aren't. Although people generally find how I look at stuff strange and you might want to do some meta sometime if your problem is with my thinking style.
2. That is provably untrue - from what post did you do the iso and what will you give me to quote a new idea from a post there or before?
3. You are very reactive, you literally just admitted your issue with me was half based on it being about you. If you'd like to call that something other than reactive because you'd like to quibble definitions I'm fine with that. But that's an example of what I mean by reactive.-
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@Toranaga - I just asked a specific question about his most recent interaction with you.
ISO me for it - I don't have a long ISO.
@Grey - I...don't lurk as scum...?
Okay, I get your point now.-
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I can understand the concept of scum seeking easier fish to fry (though would suggest since I'm gunning for him he's at least slightly obligated to engage).In post 1455, Ausuka wrote:If you don't see it now, I doubt I'll be able to convince you tbh. It looks like the kind of thing town comes up with when they're actually trying to find scum. I think scum would be more likely to push easier targets for reasons that are easier to think of.
But how does the 'genuinely uninformed' part play into that idea? They appear to be different things, no?
Did you just mean 'scum wouldn't attack Thor, they'd pick an easier target' when you said 'genuinely uninformed'?-
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That's what I'd expect scum to do.
I'd expect town to go 'wait a minute, this is over reaching and silly' at some stage.-
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I mean, we can agree that scum *do* go in too deep semi-often right?
Because the only way it's the town tell you're painting it as works is if they don't, or less often than town in a noticeable ratio - are you claiming that?-
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Agreed, but when they don't it's a good town tell.In post 1467, GreyICE wrote:Huh, that's actually reasoning I follow. Not agree with, but follow.
Eh, confirmation bias is a hell of a drug. I've seen much more made out of much less.In post 1466, Thor665 wrote:That's what I'd expect scum to do.
I'd expect town to go 'wait a minute, this is over reaching and silly' at some stage.
I don't think the reverse is true or arguable.-
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I find the two wagons competing at the moment kind of interesting because each has one scum, one null, and one town read of mine on them.
So I want the competition to become more violent.
VOTE: Vote:Tchill
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What are you waiting for?
You've ducked explaining your deep reads, and now you don't want to weigh in on some sexy wagon competition?
This is the point you yell at me again for suggesting you're not helping town.-
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I think you're lying (again) quote it to prove me wrong?In post 1948, Srceenplay wrote:Haven’t ducked anything. You just haven’t read.
I don't think it would make sense.In post 1949, CheekyTeeky wrote:Thor explain to me how it makes sense for scum!CS to claim a fake guilty?
That said - he's not claiming a guilty, he's claiming a super strong read.
I am willing to dance with that game, you are not - but explain to me this one, if he's wrong - how do you analyze a blind wagon where they can claim read?
That should tell you all you need to know about my vote placement.
Because I don't think it looks, nor looked gross.In post 1951, Quick wrote:why are you not looking at the horrible reasons for the chill wagon @Thor?
Now you can read me in association with your thoughts on the wagon and my willingness to join it.-
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@Cheeky - so the tell is good enough to be a guilty "for you" but you're going to waste time asking why it's not good enough for others? Shouldn't that be self-evident if you agree it's not an actual guilty claim but simply a strong read?
I don't think MariaR's behavior post the case on her is brilliant enough to dissuade a wagon - though I will note that you're saying she hasn't done anything to stop the case on her, and that's total BS. What case is she supposed to argue against? What issue are people wagoning her on she can debate? A PR claim is literally all I think she could do besides just exploding into a mountain of scumhunting - so why are you talking about this like it's a tell? I can see it not being good enough to change minds to townreads, but it *IS NOT* good enough to change minds to scum reads. It bothers me you're acting like it is.
The solution of chaining a lynch after offering a read does not fill me with joy either as a strategy.
I'll be over here on the counter wagon washing my hands-
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I think there's a perfectly reasonable chance he'll flip scum, and his loss, if town, wouldn't cost us much of anything considering how he's opting to play.In post 2392, Brian Skies wrote:Is there anything in particular that made/makes you like the Tchill wagon? Do you there's a good chance he'll flip scum (if so, why)?
The push on him was organic, his reaction was a steaming pile of 'meh'.
Do you think the Tchill wagon is on town?In post 2392, Brian Skies wrote:Because I can have no issue with a wagon (or the people on it), but that doesn't mean it's going to land on scum.
Why?
In post 2393, Brian Skies wrote:In post 2089, Thor665 wrote:I'll be over here on the counter wagon washing my hands
Are you fighting this wagon on principle or just don't want to deal with blowback? I don't understand why this is even a concern for you.
I was directly asked to comment on the wagon and defend my stance of not blindly supporting it.
Why does that come off as me fighting the wagon and being a concern to you?
It's clearly a concern to Cheeky - but why me?
That's like if your next post was 'Thor, why do you keep talking about the MariaR wagon so much?" It's skim level true - but is also blatantly not a valid question.-
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He's saying that the reason the MariaR wagon didn't go through is because scum blocked it.In post 2409, the worst wrote:
Hold on I think I need the bolded section explained to meIn post 2405, Tchill13 wrote:I'm pretty sure Maria is scum because I'm town,my wagon didn't go through, scum doesn't let their wagon go throughand now we're probably back onto a town wagon.
It'd be nice to lynch Maria.
He also claims he's town, even though his wagon didn't go through either, and presumably not because scum blocked it, though he doesn't really expand on taht concept.
Meanwhile people ask me to justify voting Tchill
randomidget (strong read)In post 2410, the worst wrote:Hai Thor
Who's town? If it's pretty clearly stated recently in your ISO let me know. I'll go fish.
Beeboy (soft read)
Bins (mid read)
Quick (mid read)
Gorkington (mid to strong read)
GreyICE (mid read)
Spiffeh (mid to strong read)
Brigand Vvulf (soft read)
Creature (mid read)
Brian Skies (soft read)
Nero Cain (hanging on by the edge of his thin little nails read)
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VOTE: Srceenplay
I'm for this now.-
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You were trying to get into my pocket?
Also, most of what I'm reading there is;
I'm glossing over the game.
My hydra partner is doing it even worse.
Why do people scumread this empty glossing slot?
I've got a hint for you...
I don't want to lynch you today, but you and/or your partner need to pick up your game or replace out. Seriously.-
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In post 2876, Bins wrote:someone claimed a guilty on maria?-
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Well...Centipede was the guilty call on MariaR...-
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I certainly see no value in a Cheeky lynch today.-
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I feel like this is some sort of time traveler's paradox...In post 2916, Creature wrote:
We're aiming for important scum, not scum that definitely won't live to endgame like Srceenplay.In post 2906, Brian Skies wrote:Because...?-
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I also had like a four page back and forth with Cheeky about it. And people have had multiple moments of debate about it. And the wagons firing up after MariaR's death are half based on reactions to that wagon.In post 2928, Bins wrote:what...
seriously
someone claimed a guilty?!?
why can’t i find it...
centi didn’t uh
How much of the thread are you skipping?
Because I've skipped well over thirty full pages and skimmed another ten or so and I knew that was happening.-
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Like, I openly claim I don't overly care for larges and that I skip and skim.
How am I not at least in the top five least connected players in the thread?-
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I'll second this point - I can understand not enjoying the pacing of the game or posting styles in the game.In post 3004, Spiffeh wrote:
Tbh labeling people in this game incompetent dirtbags doesn't make much sense since most of the people currently on your wagon had been on the Maria wagon when she died and ended up flipping scum, while your slot was hopping from Maria counter wagon to Maria counter wagonIn post 2968, Panopticon wrote:Both heads of this hydra are of the mind that if we get lynched, at least we're freed from the burden of having to win this game for you incompetent dirtbags.
But to argue that overt blatantly bad play is happening is rather a bit of a stretch.
Why do you keep tossing up smokescreens instead of replacing out?
Because either you both hate the game (in which case replace out)
Or you're lying about how much you hate the game.
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This was very much a sideways swapout for the Quick slot.
I agree Tchill is a poor wagon at this stage - what's the beef with the Srceen wagon comp? It looks fine as long as you ignore the random and unsupported Grey=scum concept.In post 3048, Hopkirk wrote:Screen is townie and the wagon composition there is awful.
Tchill is a worse wagon.
Grey is a fine wagon.-
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Because he scumreads me, Panop, and Grey for "reasons"-
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Yeah, beacuse 2-3 scum are on one wagon.In post 3052, Hopkirk wrote:
Grey/Pan scum and Thor possible scum.In post 3049, Thor665 wrote:This was very much a sideways swapout for the Quick slot.
I agree Tchill is a poor wagon at this stage - what's the beef with the Srceen wagon comp? It looks fine as long as you ignore the random and unsupported Grey=scum concept.In post 3048, Hopkirk wrote:Screen is townie and the wagon composition there is awful.
Tchill is a worse wagon.
Grey is a fine wagon.
Counterwagon to Pan wagon.
I like Screen's tone. Hang on a minute here.
Also, Panop is a counter to the Srceen wagon - learn to note when a wagon picks up steam?
Srceen was, functionally, a counter to Tchill methinks - which you agree was iffy, so...?-
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I didn't forget and did expalin it (unlike Srceen explaining his Tchill read and straight up lying about it while you quote it as a town interaction.In post 3057, Hopkirk wrote:You forgot to explain why I was scum at any point btw I think? Might have missed a page or few somewhere though.
I'm not pushing you right now - if you want the case go find it, I'll agree with you that it's not worth much pursuit now, will disagree that it is worth pursuit then.
Spare us all the boredom of you losing a debate with me?
They mean really different things.In post 3059, Hopkirk wrote:I was using counterwagon in the (incorrect) useage of 'alternative wagon'.
A wagon happening at a roughly similar time to a wagon you prefer is *not* a valid reason to dismiss it.-
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I fail to see who had the last interaction somehow equates to lack of my presenting of my case - clarify?In post 3066, Hopkirk wrote:Last interaction we had was me responding to you unless this is an invisible case.
Also, if you think ducking presentation of a case is scummy - could you describe your thoughts on Srceenplay doing the same/show me where you think he actually answered the question?
I think you get too tunneled on people who question you.-
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