Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

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Do you guys want to know why they call me suspenseful third day

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VOTE: Ankmius

Your answers don’t seem like town!Ank to me.

What do town ank answers seem like, for the rest of us?

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Purr calm down buddy

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Is this a coded message? :thinking:

no

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IF DUNNS DOESNT KICK THE VOTING OFF IN THE NEXT POST HE MIGHT AS WELL BE SCUM

THIS SHIT IS SO FKING ANTITOWN

Oh, were you planning to lynch already?

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If you think I'm scum you should vote me Katsuki

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Alright, I see some people are getting rowdy so I'll lay down some terms for me starting us off: I want everyone to have meaningful contribution before votes go flying. Reasonable?

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Some would argue that there won’t be any meaningful contribution before votes actually count.

Also why?

I'll argue that there can be lots of meaningful contribution before votes

Here is why I think this is a good idea:

Game starts off with nobody full on lurking - everybody is sortable, vs a day 1 lynch with slots nobody can read and everybody is ok lynching
Nobody claims their role prematurely only to get unvoted and move onto the next wagon
Some people think games move too fast, this way everyone can get their toes in the water and won't have any excuses not to do so - this ties in with the lurker thing
Town is made to pay attention to players who are lurking/active lurking on day 1

Here are arguments for this being a bad idea:

People are impatient and want to hurry the game up (I don't care)
People think there's no readable content without votes - not true, people can discuss reads, and of course when I vote the votes will be open to everyone and they can put their money where there mouth is. Momentum can still form, in a sense.
People don't want to contribute to the game on day 1/before there are flips (The rest of us do want you to contribute on day 1/before there are flips)

But tell you what, I'm not a tyranical dictator, if this proves to be wildly unpopular then I'll open up the day if 13 players type HEAL: Start the day, though I would prefer that everyone contributed

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So do you not agree with what I wrote above Nancy?

I'll count that, the tags are HEAL: if you needs them

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I think if you don’t open up the voting soon, people are liable to get pissed off and/or bored.

How does that counter:

Here is why I think this is a good idea:

Game starts off with nobody full on lurking - everybody is sortable, vs a day 1 lynch with slots nobody can read and everybody is ok lynching
Nobody claims their role prematurely only to get unvoted and move onto the next wagon
Some people think games move too fast, this way everyone can get their toes in the water and won't have any excuses not to do so - this ties in with the lurker thing
Town is made to pay attention to players who are lurking/active lurking on day 1

Just because people get upset due to impatience, doesn't mean it's not the correct play, no?

I think if you don’t open up the voting soon, people are liable to get pissed off and/or bored.

How does that counter:

I don't agree, I said I wanted everyone to contribute so there weren't people lurking we couldn't sort, what I've seen so far is a few loud voices with a ton of posts and various others that aren't really in the game yet

Do you think that if I asked you for reads, you'd be able to list everyone without putting down "this player hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on them yet"?

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HURT: Start the day

HEAL: Start the day.

^ Meow

Do you guys not agree with what I've said?

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ok, I thought it was a fancy heal

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So you can only post in pictures?

And yeah I got shut down fast

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VOTE: Brian Skies

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my dunnstral read

No you don't

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VOTE: Nancy
Can we vote now? Might as well put my vote back where it was

I was totally on your side but this seems kind of scummy

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Would you pay attention when someone posts an autobiography in the thread every day or two people spam scanned pictures of their butts at each other for 40 pages?

So basically you're saying you're not going to pay attention to the game?

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VOTE: Nosferatu

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Pretty jumpy since all that was asked was that you meaningfully contribute to the thread like a normal person

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You're certainly present to talk about why you're not going to talk about anything

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Why are you defending her?

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Take Purr for example, she like TBG doesn’t seem scummy but most of her posts involve acting like she was a cat, so something is definitely up with the roles.

That's just Purrcocet

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However, we have 3 days left. Should we just let him get a free pass for the day because he chooses not to deliver on his promise of providing content because we just can't tell?

FYI this is why I wanted to hold the deadline

Now we have a hard lurker trying to coast and 3 days left

VOTE: myloninja

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Maria campaigning against my plan to get lurkers to contribute and then saying not to lynch the lurker

It's one or the other

Same for Spiffeh

did maria roll scum

Quite possibly yes

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Do you have any reads to share?

Yes

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yo dunnstral

Get over here lol

where

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I didn't mind the fact that he wasn't starting the voting, I have a problem with how he devoted a whole long post to how pro-town it was to make sure everyone contributed before starting the real Day and in the meantime doing nothing himself to actually contribute

@TehBrawlGuy my reason for voting Dunn

I was contributing and I got sakura town out of that, the mod stepped in before I could get any other reads

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I wasn't "looking like I was doing something" I was doing something with a real impact

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I was contributing and I got sakura town out of that, the mod stepped in before I could get any other reads

What about Sakura's reaction to it makes you think she's town?

Her stance at the time was pro-town and before the mod said anything

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spiffeh
muffin
maria (eh)
kats (ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
kokichi

Kats is useless but so was mylo so not sure we'd lynch one but not the other
Don't know what Kokichi has done, didn't even know he was in the game

Not excited to lynch Muffin

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Okay Kokichi can read MariaR,

He really can't

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VOTE: spiffeh

I think this is better

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I could see Maria as town

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VOTE: spiffeh

I think this is better

Can you explain why you're scum reading me?

Your reasons for scumreading me is bad and looks more like a scum push than a town one

"Dunn hasn't done anything but wants other people to do things" That's not scummy if it were true, which it's not

And then I'm scummy for "typing a lot of words about something" so I could "look like I was doing something"

I was literally holding the game up and explaining why, I was explaining what was up, I wasn't posting for no reason

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It's more the amount of words he devoted to saying it that bothers me. It seemed like he needed to look like he was doing something so he decided to put a bunch of effort in explaining the pros of waiting to vote which is ultimately pretty useless and he hasn't done much since

It's not a read I'm married to he's just the player I'm most willing to vote for rn idk

You mean how he was explaining why he wanted to do it when you asked him 'why?'

guys don't let the evil people lynch me

Also nice dodge

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Call Brian evil so you don't have to answer to him but then ask something of me

Blatant hypocrisy here boys, rope him up

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Also I got the feeling you were following along with maria's push

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VOTE: spiffeh

I think this is better

Can you explain why you're scum reading me?

Your reasons for scumreading me is bad and looks more like a scum push than a town one

"Dunn hasn't done anything but wants other people to do things" That's not scummy if it were true, which it's not

And then I'm scummy for "typing a lot of words about something" so I could "look like I was doing something"

I was literally holding the game up and explaining why, I was explaining what was up, I wasn't posting for no reason

Why do you have Spiffy as scum but me as could be town when I basically agreed with his stance and added on to it?

Because I have more experience with you and I can see you thinking that what I did was scummy because it was 'different' than what you expected

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I mean it just seemed like an overly thoughtful explanation on something that wasn't all that important

I get why you felt the need to explain yourself, I just felt weird about the amount of effort you put into it

Sorry fam, don't really have any confident scum reads atm

It's not correct to say it wasn't something important, because it was...?

Don't know what to say to me being scum for putting in effort

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Town, town, undecided. Why those three in specific?

It's the 3 people I'm trying to sort the most at the moment.

For me they're town town undecided too

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They're annoyingly bad because they don't have the same reads as you? Even though you're only "60% sure"?

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and stop calling him brain

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You guys want me to talk more about what I was doing with the no vote thing?

I expected pressure to be on me at first, but once it was clear I wasn't budging I expected pressure to shift to the lurkers, the option to skip past it with the heal stuff was a way to get people to take a solid stance (either opposing the plan/wanting to skip it for whatever reason or not)

Of course, lurkers could have voted to heal too but that would have perked some eyebrows and would require explanation on their part

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The 60% sure is on you not purr so I don't know why you're bringing that up unless you're trying to call me bad then thanks for the shade I suppose

I know the 60% is on me

But you then go and call purrcocet annoyingly bad and want to scumread them for their read partially based around me - like there is a lot of room for error there and it's weird to see you jumping to conclusions like that

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Wisdom is surprisingly under the radar by the way, not sure what's up with that, I'm used to seeing them as more active/in the front of things

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Hey Spiffeh/MariaR, since you guys think I'm scum for reasons revolving around the vote thing, what would you have expected me to do with it as town?

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His explanation for that was so ridiculously incongruous with everything he had provided up to that point

I'm the one who controlled the vote, and I got a discussion going. I was getting engaged right there, I got shut down within 30 minutes to an hour of my post or something.

And now you're all like "I'm struggling to really find anything scummy about anyone else" after bashing on what I was doing and seeing how the playerlist decided to play without my iron fist

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Also for the record if I were scum here none of you would know it :)

Why not?

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It feels like you're just riding the momentum of my wagon without actually saying anything?

Without me there'd be no wagon

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His recent stuff makes me feel slightly better

So am I saying stuff or no

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It was going to be something major

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jellyfishing jellyfishing jellyfishing!


VOTE: Dunnstral

see you d2
this greens lmao

There were like 2 people voting me

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Oh man

I'm so tempted to vote spiffeh in spite of a game from a few years back where he mislynched me but that would mean voting with wisdom and dunnstral

what an existential crisis

Can you explain why you're using me as an excuse not to vote?

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Oh man

I'm so tempted to vote spiffeh in spite of a game from a few years back where he mislynched me but that would mean voting with wisdom and dunnstral

what an existential crisis

Can you explain why you're using me as an excuse not to vote?

Because I think you're more than just an asshole. :]

...what did I do?

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And explain your scumread on me if you have one

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VOTE: katsuki

For now

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(Maybe I overuse semicolons.)

Like semicolons - dashes too

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nos if u become my doublevoter i will ignore that you have a red pm.

Come be my triple voter

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I meant "I like semicolons - dashes too"

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Nosferatu is at 6 votes?

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How about Katsuki because he recently provided content and it's scummy content

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this is bad too, but it might be town. damn.

Now look back and see they've never mentioned a scumread and I haven't done anything to them

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anyway i want to lynch sakura, moment, and maybe muffin.

nancy, ank, spiffeh, and purr all lean town.

Err I've got Sakura and moment as towny and muffin as neutral

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Oh man

I'm so tempted to vote spiffeh in spite of a game from a few years back where he mislynched me but that would mean voting with wisdom and dunnstral

what an existential crisis

Can you explain why you're using me as an excuse not to vote?

Because I think you're more than just an asshole. :]

...what did I do?

And explain your scumread on me if you have one

@Katsuki

Since you missed it

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Don't know what you're talking about, you need to explain your scumread though. And if you're referencing ongoing then don't do that

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And you said you wouldn't vote the wagon because I voted it

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Let's make it interesting then, come vote katsuki

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Who would you be ok voting Maria?

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Brain>You>Kat>Sakura>Muffin

Cool, I'd vote one of these too

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I'm just gonna swallow me annoyance with this game and try to keep playing and hopefully my townreads can explain where I'm wrong on Dunn/Sakura although I feel like people are just letting him slip by.

I get that you scumread me because of the vote thing but you're wrong and I'll insist that it was the right play

Your argument was that it would introduce apathy but clearly nobody was excited to play this game anyways or something?

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Like that's not scummy

Since when do scum try to create apathy by blocking everyone else from voting? If anything scum should want faster deadlines so we rush to compromise lynch someone, right?

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I'm not claiming ever this day so if town want to go ahead and lynch me you guys deserve to lose.

I don't mind game throwing. Not with this punk ass bitch who wants to spend the entire game trying to put words in my mouth while calling me scum and wonder why I refuse to play mafia with him.

I tried to WOTO but FG didn't let. I've only ever destroyed most of the FG games I've played in as town but if this is the path we're going towards I'm fine with playing against my wincon. I'd sooner throw than play another game with Dunnstral.

VOTE: KATSUKI

1) I didn't do anything to you

2) I didn't put words in your mouth, I quoted your own posts and asked you to explain them. You implied that I was scum so what's the dead with that? You implied Wisdom was scum so what's the deal with that? If I'm wrong then tell me how, but that's the way I see it

3) You really need to control yourself, me voting you isn't a reason to go off on me and to threaten gamethrowing

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VOTE: Wisdom

I'll move on

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Reason for vote is that I expect him to be more engaged/doing more as town

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The first thing to look at is Spiffeh, their ISO and their wagon. Let's do this!

My first (Kinda easy) impression is that this a bit more of a 'trolly' kind of player so I'll have to be careful with that.

Posts like 54 and 70 seem suspicious but that's likely just the trolly nature and for now I'll treat them as NAI

157 is a solid post, and VOTE: 466 pings me as town.

475 is an interesting post, not sure if I should believe it but if the logic is true than I would also add a townread to it.

508 annoys me a bit because it just doesn't explain reasons which is a pet peeve of mine.

659 is also a post I see coming from town, admitting to not having many scumreads but also explaining reasoning for his suspicions. Most of their language use also seems genuine here too.

707 is a post that doesn't look good at all, the "I'm too good at scum." thinking isn't one I feel is a town one, at least not a sensible town mindset.


And that's it for their ISO. My conclusion is they seem a bit trolly in their game style, but honestly I'm actually town reading them here. Now to check up on the wagon next!

Okay, first thing to note is Dunn is a double voter, which from experience is generally more town, but I actually have to analyse and can't get away with just assuming that.

Wisdom seems to have started the wagon in 273 (Despite already voting them from 114 ) And... they gave no reason why. They just voted them and said "Everyone looks like scum" without reasonings, which is again a pet peeve of mine. I've also played with Wisdom before, but the confusing part is that from what I've seen they put in more effort as both alignments anyway? So I have zero idea meta wise what they are, but from play there certainly isn't anything to indicate town here.

Ank is next with yet another unexplained vote on Spiffeh 301 and also trying the whole "Let's not post reasoning" trick later in their ISO. I also understand Spffeh's point on Ank clearer now, so I'll even add more town points to them. Ank themself has changed their meta since I last played with them, so I'm kinda empty there.

Dunn votes with *Drum rolls* Actual Reasoning! In 653 Dunn actually explains his evidence for his vote. The only minor issue is I kinda don't really agree with him? Like, Spiffeh's case on Dunn isn't very good imo, but at the same time I don't think that really makes him scummy? But I give him points for actually explaining his vote, and honestly he's getting a bit of a townread from me.


Got to go, will get back to this. But this is a nice start for now!

What do you guys think about this?

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the lack of you doing anything for it

Uh... because It got stopped immediately though? Like I obviouslly intended to go somewhere with it? Once the mod told me to move it along there was no more pressure in the thread and no use dragging it on for the 24 hours I had

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You guys want me to talk more about what I was doing with the no vote thing?

I expected pressure to be on me at first, but once it was clear I wasn't budging I expected pressure to shift to the lurkers, the option to skip past it with the heal stuff was a way to get people to take a solid stance (either opposing the plan/wanting to skip it for whatever reason or not)

Of course, lurkers could have voted to heal too but that would have perked some eyebrows and would require explanation on their part

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This line of reasoning is really dumb

Obviously that was the start of my contribution, you didn't see the rest to come and are just making assumptions

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I'm at Purrcocet, Nancy, Maria, Sakura Hana, Moment all at town, Moment maybe just a town lean since maybe this isn't out of what they can do as scum

tbg being post restricted to pictures is probably a town thing but that's a dangerous assumption to make

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Because I don't know how you would play as scum but I have an idea for the rest

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Who is ace?

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I can buy that it's Nai but that still doesn't make me feel good about them as town

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In Fakegod games is the first person to be revealed as not a main character usually town?

From my experience, yes

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Will vote Mylo if it reaches 16 hours or less and then when that flips town Brain Muffin and Dunn all go in the grinder

This isn't real analysis, I'm not seeing the connection between town mylo and me

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What's wrong with the mylo votes?

I think he looks kind of scummy aside from the lurking thing

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"oh shit partner getting wagoned let's wagon mylo"

Who was getting wagoned? Are you talking about Wisdom?

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The wagons flew off because Katsuki ate'd it up and then Wisdom said he was busy in real life

Mylo has posted new content since his lurker wagon

You're not looking at the bigger picture

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I think this is very typical of town Maria but I don't believe her arguments add up and she's biased

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maria, if the way the votes are happening is 'telling all in itself', then why does your 3p grindr list include 2 people not voting mylo? (albeit, i've indicated i intend to)

Yeah, this

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The wagon moving off Katsuki wasn't scum motivated

The wagon moving off Wisdom didn't look scum motivated

[Dunnstral]

What bigger picture am I missing?

The reason the votes left the wagons

You're implying that kat/wisdom/nos are scum and people started a wagon on mylo to save their buddy, I don't think that ties together

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What am I bias on?

Thinking I'm scum and having that effect your reads on the rest of the game

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I think you need to explain who the not town pushing mylo are, or did you say that without anyone in mind?

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I don't think it's true, it's a 17 person game, I expect 4 scum

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I might be wrong on a townread somewhere

Probably tbg

Well if the game is really 3:14, and tbg really is post-restricted, I don't think he's likely to be scum (since then there's only 2 scum voices in the thread in a 17 player game)

That's a lot of assumptions though

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I'm getting the feeling you don't believe his post restriction

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well, while giving out post restrictions is something fakegod does quite often (almost every game, in fact), i'm currently thinking he might have broken his mod meta here and decided to not use one

Weird thing to think while a guy is posting as if post restricted

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I think projectmatt is fine from a quick look, I'm townreading Purrcocet

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I'm not interested in Nosferatu wagon after a quick look at him

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Dunn, is there anything keeping you from voting Mylo?

My vote would hammer him, I was thinking he would come in and claim or say something. I'm also wondering if Maria regrets her vote

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I do get the feeling that there's scum somewhere in wisdom/brian/muffin

purrcocet, maria, sakura hana, nancy drew 39, moment are my townreads
ankamius, TehBrawlGuy are leaning town
kAtEsuki, projectmatt, Nosferatu are kind of towny but I'm not sure, maybe spiffeh, maybe kokichi

[Dunnstral]

I'll hammer at 5.5 hours left

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Err. I wouldn't vote Mylo. I think she is actually just busy. Just saying.

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matt has a blatant scum iso following a mylo scumflip imo

I don't agree

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I don't think the mylo flip makes projectmatt more likely to be scum

[Dunnstral]

Wow

Four of my five not-townreads are on Mylo

Lol

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VoteCount 1.5

Nancy Drew 39 [2] - Katsuki, Nosferatu
Spiffeh [5] - Wisdom, Ankamius, Dunnstral x2, Sakura Hana
Sakura Hana [2] - projectmatt, Kokichi Oma
Katsuki [1] - Nancy Drew 39
Nosferatu [1] - TehBrawlGuy
Myloninja13 [1] - Brian Skies
Dunnstral [2] - Spiffeh, Purrcocet
MariaR [1] - Moment
Brian SKies [1] - MariaR

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.6

Nancy Drew 39 [1] - Katsuki
Spiffeh [2] - Wisdom, Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [2] - Dunnstral x2
Nosferatu [6] - TehBrawlGuy, Sakura Hana, Moment, Brian Skies, Purrcocet, Nancy Drew 39
Brian SKies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Nosferatu, Spiffeh
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.7

Spiffeh [1] - Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [2] - Nosferatu, Katsuki
Nosferatu [2] - TehBrawlGuy, Purrcocet
Brian Skies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Spiffeh, Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [4] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, Nancy Drew 39

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.8

Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [1] - Katsuki
Nosferatu [4] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet
Wisdom [2] - Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [7] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, MariaR

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

[Dunnstral]

let's see what happens if we have competing wagons

VOTE: nos

Nosferatu [5] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom
Myloninja13 [5] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh

[Dunnstral]

nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

VOTE: mylo

l-1

This sequence is kind of scummy

[Dunnstral]

wisdom is town my guy

Looks like they started to get a counter wagon going

This was on the table as well:

I'm not interested in Nosferatu wagon after a quick look at him

It looks like once it became clear Nos wasn't getting lynched (mylo was in my hammer range) Wisdom hopped back on to save face

[Dunnstral]

Rip the game

Why? I agree with you about mylo wagon but why “Rip the game”?

I think this lynch is useless is all

[Dunnstral]

I don't really scumread Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

sheep me im the most pure soul in this game

We saw how yesterday went

[Dunnstral]

How do people feel about Maria's play around Mylo now that the latter has flipped scum?

Because I think it's slightly sketch on the surface but am town reading the rest of her content so I would like others' thoughts

I think she's town

[Dunnstral]

The first bolded is clearly a contradiction. Are you being purposely obtuse here?

no it isn't. you're misreading the meaning of his posts.

but im kinda bored, explain to me why its a contradiction pls?

He basically said that if it weren’t for the lynch, he’d be scumreading Moment for the entire game.

First he says, for all eternity, then he corrrcts himself and says,

the DURATION of the game.

The point is that he is saying that the mislynch was a good thing or else he would have been scumreading Moment.

So contradiction may not be quite the right word but the implication that a mislynch is good for sorting a dead slot for the duration of the game, doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.

That’s why I asked if it was a derp or a scum slip. It’s weird but I don’t know if it’s necessarily scummy.

If this isn't resolved by now: Wisdom is talking about his read on moment in day 1 of Minuet's trio, not this game

[Dunnstral]

let's see what happens if we have competing wagons

VOTE: wis

[Dunnstral]

How do people feel about Maria's play around Mylo now that the latter has flipped scum?

Because I think it's slightly sketch on the surface but am town reading the rest of her content so I would like others' thoughts

I think she's town

What changed your mind from yesterday?

nothing, because I said she was town yesterday

[Dunnstral]

if I had to make a pool of suspects at the moment it'd be
(Purr Moment Muffin Dunn)

Try again

[Dunnstral]

I still dislike Dunnstral but perhaps it's a case of me not understanding something so I'm calling it scummy? Like I still can see him flipping scum but the thing giving me cold feet is I can't see anything that I find scummy in his iso besides the early game play it's mostly nullish.

What should be giving you cold feet is yesterday I was scum because I -would have- voted mylo or something but today I'm not town because I didn't vote mylo

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let's see what happens if we have competing wagons

VOTE: nos

Nosferatu [5] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom
Myloninja13 [5] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh

VOTE: mylo

l-1

I'll let wisdom answer himself but these are the posts I went "hm" on so why did you do this?

When he moves to Mylo there isn't really a chance to get a nos wagon going anymore

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MariaR, why don't we talk about why you have those suspects after Mylo flip?

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I think this day is going to go like yesterday
Exactly
like yesterday

The counterwagon to your push is wagoned and flips scum?

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VoteCount 2.3

Wisdom [4] -

Kokichi Oma

,

Dunnstral

x2, Sakura Hana

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-04 15:00:00)

kokichi probably is
this wagon.... lmfao


side note mariatown prolly

i wonder if yours truly has a guardian angel

You think the doc saved you last night?

yeah

who else here meows? no one

Why is he red guy

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UNVOTE:

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I don't think Katsuki doing nothing is anything special though

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you should get on the matt wagon dunn

Why

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I mean, that's not what they said, they said you weren't doing anything about it which is... true?

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I don't want to lynch Nancy

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I think the rest of her play looks town so am willing to overlook the interactions

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Everything she says seems genuine and innocent, I also think she looks like she did in minuet

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Even when playing pictomafia, don't think there was anyone who's posting was as useless as tbg's

I mean, you're one to talk

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Muffin, is there a reason you think he's faking a post restriction?

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did you like mylo's content? i thought it was relatively bland and safe.

also, do you think your comment to maria yielded anything worthwhile? has your read on her progressed at all since that point?

i take it all back. brian's probably town.

Seems towny to me

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I don't think I like either of these wagons

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I don't know, I townread a lot of people, ProjectMatt looks fine but maybe I'm missing something there, it could also be as simple as Katsuki, I also had you on my Radar for not doing much

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Katsuki isn't scum because ate.

See I think they could be playing up the AtE though, they kind of blew up over nothing

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Oh, I forgot about Spiffeh, I think he's been fine, IDK. I could reconsider

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Please don't tell me it's the "scum wouldn't push obv town" angle

And what's wrong with this angle

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Dunn what's with you btw? You've never ever been this interested with my slot before and by interested I mean try some sparky reply or ask a weird question on almost every post I make. Like you've

never

been like this before. In fact you normally don't talk about me at all

I think you're overthinking the amount I've talked to/about you this game

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Pedit: I'm honestly blacklisting Kat if they did that as scum ngl there's only so far you go in a game and I wouldn't want to deal with that again.

OK but I think this is a post game discussion whereas I'm trying to figure otu alignments now

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Dunn what's with you btw? You've never ever been this interested with my slot before and by interested I mean try some sparky reply or ask a weird question on almost every post I make. Like you've

never

been like this before. In fact you normally don't talk about me at all

I think you're overthinking the amount I've talked to/about you this game

That and there's circumstantial reasons for me to talk to you more
Doesn't mean I'm scum for it

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What gimmick?

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Also I'm not being snarky

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Dunn what's with you btw? You've never ever been this interested with my slot before and by interested I mean try some sparky reply or ask a weird question on almost every post I make. Like you've

never

been like this before. In fact you normally don't talk about me at all

I think you're overthinking the amount I've talked to/about you this game

Perhaps you're right on the number I was thinking of but it still higher than avg.

Pedit: I'm honestly blacklisting Kat if they did that as scum ngl there's only so far you go in a game and I wouldn't want to deal with that again.

OK but I think this is a post game discussion whereas I'm trying to figure otu alignments now

I'm saying I think kat wouldn't pull that as scum and would try other methods

Dunn what's with you btw? You've never ever been this interested with my slot before and by interested I mean try some sparky reply or ask a weird question on almost every post I make. Like you've

never

been like this before. In fact you normally don't talk about me at all

I think you're overthinking the amount I've talked to/about you this game

That and there's circumstantial reasons for me to talk to you more
Doesn't mean I'm scum for it

Disagree

Also I'm not being snarky

HAHAHAHAHA

2) I really doubt you know Katsuki meta very well so not sure where this confidence is coming from
3) No, you've said I'm scum in games where I haven't talked to you much either. The big secret is that there's no correlation between me talking to you and my alignment
4) I'm not, I can't help the way you are interpreting it

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1) My confidence comes from liking to think people are decent human beings who wouldn't post stuff like kat did to get townread as scum. It's called having morals
2) I feel like the only time before this game where I've said the amount of you talking you do is AI before was as scum? The only other time I said it as town was years ago to get a reaction from you. Your words don't really mean much in the grand outlook because we just disagree. You can't really disprove my own reasoning for wanting to read you because it's wifom at the end of the day
3) If you're that naive to the way you come off to people sometimes I'm seriously worried about you
Pedit: @Wisom I think townreading someone for making a bad push is super weak and easily one of the fakest things you can do.

Gonna end the the conversation on 1
2) I guess you're right but do you not honestly think that?
3) You just think I'm being snarky because you're viewing my posting towards you as an attack - it's not

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just read all of her recent posts in sequence and think about what shes trying to achieve with each response and also read what shes actually saying and think about the mindset

I'm trying, but my eyes keep glazing over whenever I try to read through her posts (although this probably isn't something I'm experiencing that's exclusive to her).

It is interesting that her flurry of posting comes right as TBG becomes a viable counterwagon to Matt, whereas she was in hardcore lurk-mode while Matt was the sole leading wagon.

That's not why she started posting

I'm pretty sure Maria is town

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oh ok

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1) My confidence comes from liking to think people are decent human beings who wouldn't post stuff like kat did to get townread as scum. It's called having morals

Winning the game purely by making AtE attempts sounds pretty good to me actually.

I don't mind game throwing.

I'm waiting for you to die before I start actively participating in this thread.

He doesn't have morals.
Also, his recent posting is scummy, where he starts actually playing the game.
VOTE: Katsuki

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Guys I am pretty confident everything from Maria today comes from town and yes I'll be the one to say that

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I can see why people think she is

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1) My confidence comes from liking to think people are decent human beings who wouldn't post stuff like kat did to get townread as scum. It's called having morals

Winning the game purely by making AtE attempts sounds pretty good to me actually.

I don't mind game throwing.

I'm waiting for you to die before I start actively participating in this thread.

He doesn't have morals.
Also, his recent posting is scummy, where he starts actually playing the game.
VOTE: Katsuki

I think Muffin and Katsuki could be the same alignment. She defended him way too hard. And their initial bizarre argument could well be scum theater.

I don't think they're both scum together I think Maria defends them as town here

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My lynchpool is currently , and I would compromise on a few other names, one of them being TBG.

Where does KAtesuki fit in?

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Are you gonna outright tell me I'm wrong on those 3 reasons rn?

Myloninja13, who was Miracle of Daybreak, and Mafia Roleblocker, has been lynched in Day 1.

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Btw, on the subject of "busing a mafia pr" please remember that's it's very likely every scum member has a PR, whether that was their weakest PR or not tho, there's no way to know right now.

Yeah, especially with being guaranteed a main character

What do you mean

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And whatever this wagon on Muffin is, well, he probably deserves it

A NEW FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF THE UNIVERSE

BUT UH YA LIKE ISSAC SAYS, DONT DO IT

Why not?

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Yeah it doesn't say that, that's what I thought you meant

[Dunnstral]

What does reading between the lines of katsuki and muffinman mean?

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So are you scumreading MariaR?

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I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT ISSAC ON WHATEVER CRUSADE HE WISHES TO EMBARK ON

What's your read on MariaR?

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And whatever this wagon on Muffin is, well, he probably deserves it

A NEW FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF THE UNIVERSE

BUT UH YA LIKE ISSAC SAYS, DONT DO IT

Why not?

ARE YOUR EYES FOR SHOW OR DO THEY POSSESS THE FUNCTION TO READ

Checked your iso and never found an explanation so I'll ask again - why are you townreading muffins?

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I'm not talking about the obv fake inno result, what led you to that read?

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What's your read on MariaR, by the way?

[Dunnstral]

WILL ADVISE TOMORROW UPON COMPLETION OF COP INVESTIGATION TONIGHT

How about you talk about your stated stances now

Muffins town mariar scum, why?

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Katsuki isn't lurking, he's posting but isn't contributing

Speaking of which, vote him please

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The way he sprung to life today is scummy

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Keep the food out of the house

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Do you think Katsuki is town?

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So you don't think he's town

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VOTE: Muffins

k, troll time is over kids, if we're not getting Katsuki we're getting you. I'm not voting tbg/mariaR this day phase and nothing else is viable without my vote

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and nothing else is viable without my vote

Sure there is. You just have an extra vote. It's not like your existence actually prevents anything else from happening.

if we're not getting Katsuki we're getting you

Also, no, never.

I'm telling you, you're not going to be able to make anything else happen. Muffin is dead unless we can swing a wagon on Katsuki

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Also you attacking his personal character doesn't really help matters since he can just as easily be trying to grudge-lynch you.

I don't have a grudge and you trying to paint it like it is is shading me. I think he's mafia

TBG and Maria are votes I do not endorse

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Also you attacking his personal character doesn't really help matters since he can just as easily be trying to grudge-lynch you.

I don't have a grudge and you trying to paint it like it is is shading me. I think he's mafia

TBG and Maria are votes I do not endorse

I didn't say you were, just that it was a possibility.

Why do you think he's mafia?

Scummy jump onto Maria, won't explain his read there when asked, won't explain his muffin townread either, active lurking

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And the whole woe is me deal he's got going on is overdone

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your vote is bad dunn

Who should I vote?

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HE NEIGHBOURIZED ME N1

lynch lynch

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If even one of their "scumreads" flip green then we can probably assume the other is town

Are you talking about muffins/katsuki?

Nope, one of them is town one is scum, probably

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I think they're both town, I'm more sure on Maria

[Dunnstral]

I protected Katsuki last night.

ok......

I'm still processing this

First of all, you're going to have to explain what went through your mind when you protected him

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Brian you don't strike me as the type of guy to gambit

I really hope you're not

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

Nah, if he's really neighborizor and if katsuki was really the kill something doesn't add up

[Dunnstral]

Why does mafia neighborize their nightkill?

[Dunnstral]

Brian you're not a jailkeeper, right?

[Dunnstral]

Do you think mafia would have both a poisoner and a normal kill?

[Dunnstral]

They can do both action and kill

That's not what I meant buddy, I meant would they have 3 killing roles

I could see it with 3 mafia

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maybe the neighborizing is a lie too

What if it isn't?

[Dunnstral]

Did katsuki look like a doc to anyone?

No

[Dunnstral]

The correct play is to lynch somebody else today

[Dunnstral]

other than katsuki, that is

If the neighborhood is real I don't want muffin either

[Dunnstral]

the correct play is to lynch muffin who is a scumfuck
Katsuki will autoresolve prolly

If he neighborized katsuki and it turns out katsuki was poisoned, you could argue that maybe he was going for town cred by neighboring and poisoning the same person

if the doctor blocked a kill there, then there's no town cred to be had

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Why am I in there

[Dunnstral]

ok, I can agree with protecting him. highly unlikely there would be a strongman if there was also a poisoner

[Dunnstral]

i criticized a play
He says i don't know how to play mafia
Figure the difference yourself

Come on, you're arguing semantics, it was obvious what you were trying to say

You're tunneled right now when the evidence is against it, I don't think brian is fake claiming/scum with one of them

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VOTE: Prof Friday

Anybody?

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So you guys have posted 24+ pages in the neighborhood? Why don't you talk about your reads?

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Katsuki isn't able to provide a sentence explanation for his reads

Are you guys lying about the neighborhood?

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What are his reads?

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Is there a reason you believe you should keep his reads a secret?

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Is there a reason you believe you should keep his reads a secret?

[Dunnstral]

What 3 claims? Are we still pretending that katsuki is a real cop claim?

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Also, TBG is blowing the whole 'I'm mad/disappointed/sad about

not getting to post in just pictures'

way out of proportion.

So is Katsuki