Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Gamma Emerald]

Wonder if Gamma will be on the "Pro-Elsa" side or the "Anti-Elsa" side.

At the very least, we get another active member in the discussion. New voice and all that jazz.

This is a fun thing to walk in on

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I tried.

Anyway, voting up a dude who claimed to be in a Masonry?

Now admittedly, because this is (probably) Multiball he COULD theoretically be scum. But voting him?

VOTE: Malakittens

Obviously you COULD be joking, but this seems like a decent start.

lets be real. rc is prob joking

why so serious?

I don’t like this response

[Gamma Emerald]

Jesus, have you not even read a single post of mine, Too?

Are you ignoring all my thoughts and contributions?

Why the damn hate boner to lynch a survivor.

Holy fuck.

Oh I see what the deal is here
Yeah no for now I’m pro-Elsa. If the game goes poorly Elsa will need to die but for now he gets to live

[Gamma Emerald]

where's rule #9?

Why ask at this point
Feels a little staged

[Gamma Emerald]

Captain's Log: Entry 1

Occupant RadiantCowbells seems to have decided too throw any good will i had with their Mason claim by calling me scummy.

Occupant is also causing a ruckus with my assumed ally,Toranaga.

Cautionary measures may have to be taken. We may have to gag and tie then up.

My take (might format these in-flavor later):
I think Tor's position is pretty towny
RC is meh

[Gamma Emerald]

it's a new player thinking new player things I'm almost sure

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

in a Multiball game

Has it been confirmed that this is a multiball?

Good post I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Just from what I’ve seen so far I’m feeling Thor as town
Which is schweet cod I read his wiki recently and the theory there is da bomb

[Gamma Emerald]

nsg being prodded makes me want to vote nsg tbh

sorry work has been hectic

This is literally the definition of "speak their name, they shall come".

Your timing is impeccible. Literally a Minute after a prod.

Yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Skygazer

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t read but it’s going to be gruellingly slow at this point so I’ll read later

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it your sole purpose to troll me this game Jingle?

That’s what happens when you play with an IRL jester.

[Gamma Emerald]

good to know you expect me to assertively push people all the time when I'm being diplomatic about my scumreads because

"RC isn't a big enough asshole to do x as scum"

. I would let you mislynch flicker if I was scum, cheeky teeky.

at any rate I 100% believe flicker's claim too.

-tor

Yeah, just curious whether it could be scum. Could someone else cross-reference the flavor there?

[Gamma Emerald]

for a fun read, check me getting mislynched d1 of a game for absolutely no reason

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77158

-tor

pedit: puke

VOTE: chara

How is that relevant

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
meh w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

I recall someone suggesting a TPFKAP vote so I ISOed that and I think it's a pretty lame ISO, the last couple votes feel really easy to make
VOTE: TPFKAP

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait did flicker prove her role yet

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Nico's lurkness is NAI. She does it as both alignments ime. There's Be Yourself Mafia as an example of her lurking as town in a way that's similar to this game.

NSG is 3p in this game too with similar activity levels to this game - active early, tunneling, tapering off.

There's also a sample of my scum meta in it which will make any doubters lol at themselves for thinking I'm scum here.

Has she made a big stink about it? She tends to do that as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I got distracted by PORKENS and Thor just now. Let me reread that...

Yeah, all excellent points for BuJabers demise. I'll vote later as like the hammer or something if it gets to that. But can you get everyone to click that spoiler tag and actually read it? Convincing all these personalities to agree with each other when most of them want each other dead will be hard.

I thought TPFKAP and Porkens were separate people

[Gamma Emerald]

WHY HAS NO ONE BEEN KICKED INTO A JET ENGINE YET?! SLACKERS!

I have a higher post count than you. ME. And yet you have the balls to call everyone else slackers.
Can this die?

[Gamma Emerald]

actually there is really no reason Jingle couldn't be scum, but he gets to be there because charisma and i'm too tired to think more about it. maybe in 2 game days or so.
Gamma's being boring, which in my experience means he's a) bored, or b) not town.

Yeah I’m kinda bored
Though I think I might be willing to powerhouse read a fair chunk of the game tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

Hell no
I want this dead 10000x faster than before just for how annoying this is

[Gamma Emerald]

Hell no
I want this dead 10000x faster than before just for how annoying this is

Are you convinced she’s scum though? I don’t want a policy lynch.

Yes
I said this when I voted I’m pretty sure

[Gamma Emerald]

{RR, Chara, NSG, Gamma, Mala}
{Elsa, NDS, BuJaber}
{NicoRobin, Chick, Thor}
{Jingle, McMenno, Toogeloo, Flicker}

If someone can tell me what the bottom 4 have in common I'll locktown you for the rest of the game.

Why should I?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks for protecting me last night Elsa, you and I have our differences, and I may still want you dead, but at least you took care of me ^_^.

The fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Watch me attract a lot of attention tonight!

This was me literally claiming Day 1. I swear that if Cerb is the only one that understands what it is I am saying here...

I see

[Gamma Emerald]

I was gonna comment on how useless that question is but A50’s answer showed me how it is useful

[Gamma Emerald]

Weird...

So someone else saved Toog, Scum no killed, or the kills are strongwilled and targeted CT and EJ.

Huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

I see then
Didn’t realize EJ was Ascetic on top of the other things

[Gamma Emerald]

NR is null rn
Nico has a bad habit of arguing why meta would prove her as town when she is scum, so without enough content there I don’t have any capability to read her
Could look at that RR vote though

[Gamma Emerald]

poor interactions with the TPFKAP wagon?

No they all TMI'd if you read the TPFKAP flip and each players ISO. Jingle was different in that his TMI was about HoB. The other 3 talked about how someone was town because they revealed stuff about their role PM early...therefore they were aware ONLY TOWN ROLES DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE. Whereas we didn't know if scum had flavour or not.

VOTE: McMenno

HoB?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
How is Jingle’s TMI related to that?

[Gamma Emerald]

You are Lawrence Dobson, an undercover Union of Allied Planets agent in pursuit of Simon and River Tam. You know that mysterious pair going by “Hands of Blue” are also in pursuit of the Tam siblings on behalf of the Union

Uh, that would require me to have a knowledge of your allies outside of "Tora is weirdly protective of Jay in a way that is unlikely to gain him towncred, which could mean that Tora's wincon is tied to Jay surviving and thus they might be Simon/River, but if so Jay is river and probably lying about being a doctor because why the fuck would River be a doctor."

Look weird Gamma?

Nah not really
Aren’t Simon/River just generally tied in the flavor? It would make sense to conclude they could be like that without that knowledge if so.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma how do you read cheeky?

I'm good with menno..

You want to know why AND improve the accuracy of your reads this game? I'm town. The counterwagon to a traitor flip. Even if we assume scum didn't know the traitor, a town counterwagon to another town wagon? Scum voted me.

VOTE: Mcmenno

Jingle did you have any other reason for flicker being your vote holder apart from "she's priest"?

I think they’re kinda towny at present
Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

She scares me.
And I haven't sorted you yet.

Trying to make it easier for me to sort both.

Scares you in what way?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it weird to anyone else that CT went looking for TMI tells in everyone's ISO and found only the least incriminating one in mine? It's kinda been bugging me.

You can't BoP me if you don't know me.

When did he say he was BoPing you?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod: Were scum given flavor for their characters, or are all players flavor redacted?

Actually, never mind. Let me rephase.

Are only town aligned players the ones without role flavor?

Short answer: No.

The idea behind redacting flavour is to prevent alignment-confirmation through matching your role with your flavour.

So, if claiming one's flavour

would directly lead to them getting lynched

, then they got it. (there's no need to redact flavour that is indeed incriminating on it's own). Everyone else's was redacted.

Does this answer your question?

I think I like this better than the “no flavorclaiming allowed” take to alignment indicative flavor

[Gamma Emerald]

If your asking for Nancy, she's let Tora still lead despite joining the game as well and I think she should be more involved.

If it's Drixx, clearly he has something to say that he isnt even telling you.

If it's the hydra thing, yeah Hydras in general scare me because someone can post under someone else's name and I'm basically reading 2 different people.

Didn't know which one you wanted answered, so I said all 3.

More often than not hydras tell the truth of what head is posting
Me and NM had a hydra where we lied about which head was posting, and it was kinda cool

[Gamma Emerald]

and using a flavour cop on a slot that was likely to be lynched? in that situation i would let the slot die unless i thought they could be very useful, and cop someone i'm unsure about but could rely on if they turned up town. or someone who would be more difficult to catch if scum.
if not the first time, then the blatant alignment info you got for Porkens would have indicated this is basically a cop and you should pick your target more carefully.

I think I see more Town motivation from Chickadee’s actions than scum motivation, anyone wanna talk to me on this?

[Gamma Emerald]

why would you use what seems like pretty legitimate flavour information on two slots that aren't really that useful to the game?

This is a bad argument. Copping inevitable mislynches is a reasonable move imo, because the value of the inno's goes up in that if you cop a strong player and get an inno, they weren't going to be getting lynched anyways. I get the arguments for copping the people driving the game, but still. I disagree that they're bad cop targets in and of themselves(though if one assumes lots of town vigs, just letting them get vigged is even better than copping them...still saves the mislynch. )

-Cerb

I actually disagree. If you cop a likely lynch, two things will happen: you find Town, and you’ll probably have to claim once your inbox is run up, or you find Scum and you don’t get the advantage of that check when you fullclaim and reveal all the unflipped slots you checked.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah.

VOTE: RR

Don't see how they could have made that mistake if they were actually trying to solve the claim instead of looking like solving the claim.

What about Chick?

[Gamma Emerald]

It was VERY shortly after this post. Mere minutes.

A lynch had not occurred. This vote was L-2

Hell no
I want this dead 10000x faster than before just for how annoying this is

Are you convinced she’s scum though? I don’t want a policy lynch.

Yes
I said this when I voted I’m pretty sure

I COACH MY DAUGHTERS SOCCER TEAM AND IVE NEVER BEEN TO ONE GAME DRUNK YOU DONT KNOW HOW HARD THAT WOULD BE FOR SOMEONE ELSE

THIS IS A WITCH-HUNT

BEEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

You only say that as scum.

She says while still sitting on the incredibly meaningful Mala wagon...

I was just waiting for Gamma to clarify. I think these recent series of posts from TPFKAF seems scummy to me as well.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: TPFKAP

You meant AM, not PM
I have my clock on 24 Hour time so I figured this out once you linked this

[Gamma Emerald]

I like playing with new people. Gives me new material to work with.

Apparently though, adding Toog to the list, people with Panda avatars always try to fuck me over. I don't know why.

Who else has a panda avatar?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well since I’m gonna be pulling an all nighter tonight I’m gonna try to read some stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay yeah enough stalling
Before I start I’m gonna put out an alignment metric so I don’t look stoopid
Town: Jingle, Toogeloo, NicoRobin
Townreads: Thor (rather than being a locked in read, this is a starting point for the read)
Scum: TPFKAP (probably means nothing)
3P: Elsa Jay

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I tried.

Anyway, voting up a dude who claimed to be in a Masonry?

Now admittedly, because this is (probably) Multiball he COULD theoretically be scum. But voting him?

VOTE: Malakittens

Obviously you COULD be joking, but this seems like a decent start.

lets be real. rc is prob joking

why so serious?

I don’t like this response

So coming back to this, this is why I dislike this: it feels a little bit like Mala doesn’t want to have that sort of connection with RC. Maybe it’s more of a town thing, but until someone presents a decent logic for that being Town it’s scummy to me

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I ended up getting sidetracked by laundry, but I will make progress tonight/today

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm really sad you rolled scum again Tor :/

Ooo
Talk about this more please

[Gamma Emerald]

Mod responded to my request for flavor. I'm a Reaver. That's a good guy, right?

is this real or just some kind of joke scumclaim or something? not familiar with the show.

This gives me a headache
Someone else can judge responses to this, I can’t deal

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

Currently shutting up and gomna take a shower.

Jeez, what the heck is even happening.

so just like that you drop the scum read on me?

here i thought i was going to have fun.

Why the fuck did you post this

[Gamma Emerald]

me and cheekyteeky is the real masonry

i thought we were a masonry

Ok yeah I noted the weird aversion to the connection earlier and this makes it 100% scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait no I’m stupid

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I misattributed some things but Mala still comes out scummy from that exchange

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Malakittens
While I still have plenty more catchup to do I think putting a vote out is good, especially since I have substantial confidence in this

[Gamma Emerald]

@Malamaybeit was a joke to you but it just comes off dissonant to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Malamaybeit was a joke to you but it just comes off dissonant to me.

Well next game I’ll just be a stick in the muddy and no fun to play with because if that’s the new site meta to not read a joke as a joke then I can’t even

I’m not saying it isn’t a joke
I’m saying even as a joke it doesn’t nullify how I feel about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

My flavor is retracted also. I'm a 3rd party. In order for me to win I need a player to be lynched. if they are NK'd I lose the game. I'm also apparently full Bulletproof in order to help me survive to meet my win condition

So a Lyncher? Why would Lyncher have its flavor retracted?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mala living encourages scum to shoot in the PoE pool because none of our claims make sense as mal and killing two people not of their faction is better than one. Also, if we get super ahead we can just lynch mal to give her the mutual win towards the endgame.

Also lyncher for mal is totally scarlet, not the operative.

I was initially against Mala living but this argument is pretty convincing. Plus personal bias tells me to give the 3p a chance rather than screaming it down.
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah
I think not just pressuring Ari might be for the best if he is town

[Gamma Emerald]

lol.

I feel like this post raises nsg's scum equity

[Gamma Emerald]

@)Humble request to Almost: if Robin doesnt post game-relevant content in say 24 hours, I feel a replacement is necessary considering all the prod dodges with no real content from the slot.

If at least 8 players request the force replacement of the slot based on them not actually playing the game then I will.

I second this motion

[Gamma Emerald]

Already taken care of I see

[Gamma Emerald]

So if your gonna hammer any slot at L-1, will you hammer your own as well?

If I actually get to L-1 and me doing so prevents the game from stalling, I totally would.

---
Jingle, you and Gamma are Masons, correct? You two are probably my highest town reads at the moment, I need to check my sanity though.

---
Thor is a god.

Thuuuuuuunder!

---
That is all. Everyone else exhausts me.

Oh, and...
UNVOTE:
...since even before I voted I knew that wagon wasn't going anywhere.

Why the fuck would you out this?
VOTE: Toog
Yeah, I’m Jingle’s mason buddy. If you want to see our crumbs just ask us.

[Gamma Emerald]

Curse you Ari for making me actually work on this! If I'm right, Jingle is not town.

Are you sure you want to do this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Plus he is literally Mason hunting.

Yep, sorry, I'll try not to game solve in the future. I should have just posted that in the mafia pt.

When the plan was for me to stay hidden? That’s not gamesolving, that’s unnecessary outing of Town PRs.

[Gamma Emerald]

Plus he is literally Mason hunting.

Yep, sorry, I'll try not to game solve in the future. I should have just posted that in the mafia pt.

When the plan was for me to stay hidden? That’s not gamesolving, that’s unnecessary outing of Town PRs.

Maybe get up your partner's ass for inviting people to figure it out. I at least made sure everyone was on the same page,because if I can figure it out on my own, imagine what multiple players can piece together.

Actually, Jingle ran it by me and I OKed it

[Gamma Emerald]

3rd party is awesome tho. Oh, we can still be friends Mala, no worry about that. Just let it be known you are also the one I'm using as a Get out of Lynch free card for a day when they start wanting to kill off the Neuts.

You and Mala should play this game the way Cerb and I played in Protomen. We were a 3rd party faction with a partner who could win with the town (which you can do, and mala can

maybe

do if we power through scum quickly enough). We realized immediately that we could win with the town only if we won fast, and we nailed it.

Sometimes 3rd party really can play for town's win con. We certainly did with every intent (and success) right from the start of that game.

So ... do the same and we won't ever have to rope you to avoid you choosing the easy win if the game goes to a kingmaker or M/LYLO situation.

~D

P.S. - The chances that NR dropped in the "2" crumb and somehow isn't HoB are drastically low. Hands of Blue. Two by two. Since we have our character redacted, there's no way that NR did that as a River crumb. Tails did a good job trying to salvage the slot, and even avoided the Amished tell ... but it's still the most probable slot we have to be scum,

and

the flip acts as a check on Chick

.

Huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

In case both GE and I die tonight, Thor has high equity to be the other HoB.

?

[Gamma Emerald]

3rd party is awesome tho. Oh, we can still be friends Mala, no worry about that. Just let it be known you are also the one I'm using as a Get out of Lynch free card for a day when they start wanting to kill off the Neuts.

You and Mala should play this game the way Cerb and I played in Protomen. We were a 3rd party faction with a partner who could win with the town (which you can do, and mala can

maybe

do if we power through scum quickly enough). We realized immediately that we could win with the town only if we won fast, and we nailed it.

Sometimes 3rd party really can play for town's win con. We certainly did with every intent (and success) right from the start of that game.

So ... do the same and we won't ever have to rope you to avoid you choosing the easy win if the game goes to a kingmaker or M/LYLO situation.

~D

P.S. - The chances that NR dropped in the "2" crumb and somehow isn't HoB are drastically low. Hands of Blue. Two by two. Since we have our character redacted, there's no way that NR did that as a River crumb. Tails did a good job trying to salvage the slot, and even avoided the Amished tell ... but it's still the most probable slot we have to be scum,

and

the flip acts as a check on Chick

.

Huh?

If Tails flips Jayne, we can go: "Wait, wtf? How would videos of Simon and River lead to Jayne?"

I see now

[Gamma Emerald]

Even though I don’t understand the flavor at all still
I am legit that one jontron meme

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Who’s that person in the middle

[Gamma Emerald]

Really?

So what number would be too much?

Because I count 4 so far. (Elsa, RR, Flicker, Cheeky)

Flicker isn’t protective wat

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh where did I soft protective BuJaber? Also, since when are Flicker and RR protective roles?

If a game has many killing roles but also many protectives, it's not much of an 'overkill' game, is it?


If a game has many killing roles but also many protectives, it's not much of an 'overkill' game, is it?

Pretty sure this^ is scumplaining.

I think I like this thought
VOTE: BuJaber

[Gamma Emerald]

1.)Should first posts be taken seriously or at face value? Yes/No
2.)Why would Nico blatantly crumb a scum role that would be heavily suspected to be in this game? Is she just that bad? If so, did anyone do any meta on her and see if she normally does this and if this has any bearing on this game? (I'm going to guess no on this last one, but I'm willing to be surprised.)
3.)If Nico actually crumbed scum, why was I informed by the mod that the slot had made zero game related posts? (You can choose to believe this or not, or ignore this or not, but my point is to show how ridiculous this reasoning is. I personally feel like I fell into a Monty Python sketch. I literally have to argue against ludicrousy.)

P-edit:

We can play 20 questions all you want. But stop acting insulted when I show how useless you're actually being. And if you're not actually scumhunting, then there's reason to believe you might not be town.

I'm NOT FUCKING ACTING YOU PIECE OF SHIT. YOU CAN'T JUDGE ME AS USELESS UNLESS YOUVE ACTUALLY READ ALL OF MY POSTS SO ACTUALLY GO FUCK YOURSELF.

That escalated quickly

[Gamma Emerald]

@Tails what is your knowledge of the flavor?

[Gamma Emerald]

Per the OP. I don't think anything from the comics should be considered likely inspiration for events/roles here, but it's possible.

That's entirely missing the point. The point isn't that they died in the comics. The point is that they were never even referenced in the movie.

The first of the two videos is about the movie. Entirely about the movie.

The characters you are saying make the most sense for the clue don't appear in the movie.

Therefore, said characters are unlikely to be referenced through specifically a clue centered around the movie.

I'm not disputing that the angle of "They're focused on Simon and River, therefore videos of Simon and River." makes sense. I'm arguing that including a video of the portion of the flavor for which the character is conspicuously absent is a shitty way to leave a clue about the character.

Your case is built on two pieces of evidence that I believe to be counterindicative. A result from Chick suggesting NOT HoB and a crumb from NR suggesting HoB.

I disagree with the conclusion that the absence of HoB from the film means the slot can't be HoB.

-Cerb

pedit: Look at Drixx using all the words to say what I was saying.

How does that make any sense?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Tails what is your knowledge of the flavor?

Watched the show and movie multiple times. Have the first two graphic novels. So pretty good.

Ok
The reason I asked was that if you lacked experience asking you what Nico was crumbing yields nothing meaningful

[Gamma Emerald]

Aligned with Serenity comes from the Sample town role pm. And you are misreading that post. Flicker did not have the same awareness displayed by {Cheeky, Jingles, chara} which makes them (Flicker) more likely to be scum than town.

~D

Oh. Ok I can see what you're seeing.

What do you make of Toogeloo saying that he's town but that he also had no flavour in their role PM?

Spoiler: Toog discussing flavour

idk who I am

Neither do I. My flavor was cut out "to be revealed later."

Is it bad that I townread everyone except RC, Tor and Chickadee?

Most impressive since like half the game hadn't posted yet.

Joke went over too many heads.

Mod did not, nor did I ask, reveal my flavor. I don't know what I am.

Flavor wise... I "might" be River since, ya know, everyone wants to find her and me taking action would of course make all heads turn my way.

For the record, I do not have any flavor between the 1 and 2 RR was looking for.

My Role PM is simply...
"You are

[REDACTED]

. You are a

Lightning Rod

.

[Explanation of Lightning Rod]

. You win when all threats to the Serenity Crew are gone."

I am not Compulsive.

I'll also happily lynch any 3rd party claim, but that's not the same as actively hunting for 3rd party.

That's why I said the problem isn't solely the ignorance, but also the RETICENCE to discuss the matter. It's the attitude they approached that line of questioning with; evasion, then a claim of being afraid of being modkilled, then finally posting *something* that corresponds exactly to the sample role pm given. The last part is immaterial, but the fact that the conversation didn't start with that is a red flag to us.

Their reticence and lack of the (as we view it) possibly clearing awareness displayed by cheeky, jingles, and

chara

makes them more likely to be scum than town.

Can you expand on Chara here?

I'd need to go look through their quotes, but they did definitely act as though they had seen the same thing jingles saw; reevaluation in depth is necessary to gauge how strongly I should townread them as a result of those posts however. It's important to note that the knowledge displayed by these slots does *not* conftown them; it's a simple logical deduction to look at the only significant interaction we had with flicker, and the critical difference between the sample role PM and the scum flip(that is, the clear warning that town do not have flavor) and realize that there was SOMETHING in at least our role PM that didn't match up and was making us suspicious. In spite of the possibility that observant scum could have faked these reactions, those slots are off the table for lynching today at least.

Per the OP. I don't think anything from the comics should be considered likely inspiration for events/roles here, but it's possible.

That's entirely missing the point. The point isn't that they died in the comics. The point is that they were never even referenced in the movie.

The first of the two videos is about the movie. Entirely about the movie.

The characters you are saying make the most sense for the clue don't appear in the movie.

Therefore, said characters are unlikely to be referenced through specifically a clue centered around the movie.

I'm not disputing that the angle of "They're focused on Simon and River, therefore videos of Simon and River." makes sense. I'm arguing that including a video of the portion of the flavor for which the character is conspicuously absent is a shitty way to leave a clue about the character.

Your case is built on two pieces of evidence that I believe to be counterindicative. A result from Chick suggesting NOT HoB and a crumb from NR suggesting HoB.

I disagree with the conclusion that the absence of HoB from the film means the slot can't be HoB.

-Cerb

pedit: Look at Drixx using all the words to say what I was saying.

How does that make any sense?

How does what make sense Gamma? I don't entirely understand what you're getting at. The game is based on both the film and the tv show. The use of material from the movie in clues that are clearly focused on characters in both mediums does not mean that a character which interacts with that character in just one medium can't be the subject.

Chick ask the mod what happens if you cop the same person twice. Do you get new clues or the same ones?

I’ve asked, but regardless of answer, I’m not interested in wasting days to cop people multiple times.



I’m not interested in a tails or a flicker lynch based on reasons provided. I think there’s compelling evidence to suggest tails is town. Even without the results I got, I think their play has been town today.

@RR I also don’t have flavor textin my pm. It’s just [REDACTED], role, explain roll.



Can we all get on a McMenno lynch?

No we can't. See my response to Thor below.

@Thor: Forgot to quote, sorry. I am not hard towning NDS. I am, however, unwilling to vote anywhere that I believe is less likely to find scum than Flicker and Tails, and NDS falls into that category(as does McMenno).

-Cerb

That’s severe mental gymnastics though.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Tails
I noticed the point wrt the FakeGod game that ended
That’s actually really meaningful

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm posting this here and this will be my last post. I'm quitting MS as part of me deleting myself from the internet, so I won't be able to play this or any other games. I'm really sorry, Nancy. I didn't get to talk to you but I explained the reasons and you know what you have to know.

take care everyone

-toranaga

Goodbye Tor, hope you do okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo

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@Almost50 this game uses NAR correct?

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Don’t hammer until A50 answers my question

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I thought McMenno claimed Mal.

What?

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Idk wheres the VC

One was last page

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Welp my thing I thought I caught Tails on doesn’t count

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Gamma seems scummy btw.

Nice pseudo-OMGUS
You forget I am a mason

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma seems scummy btw.

Nice pseudo-OMGUS
You forget I am a mason

I haven't bought that your Jingles mason partner for a while now but eh. I don't see the point of your post saying "VC is on the other page yawn" like are you accusing me of busy work?

More just challenging your laziness but hey that seems an apt description

[Gamma Emerald]

The only time Jingle and Cheeky have been in a game together was mhsmith police academy mini theme. Jingle was scum there, and Cheeky was later replaced by punreader

[Gamma Emerald]

also in light of this let's never lynch Elsa. like Ari, Elsa can make the brave, noble sacrifice of suiciding to flip a scum. potentially.

pedit: ok, excellent.

Almost: so far, disappointed with the Overkill title. this game is severely lacking in blood. i'm going to assume this our fault and not yours.

Let's never lynch Elsa? Hider's do *nothing* to help flip scum. All she does is keep from getting shot herself. I don't understand your reasoning here, help me.

-Cerb

Depends on which variant Elsa is
@Elsa, are you the weak variant of hider?

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the full-flavoured version of Ari's PM lacks the line about being a member of the crew. thoughts?

pedit: they aren't clear, Flicker.

whoooosh
Flicker got that and was saying it was better to find scum than town rn

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pedit: they aren't clear, Flicker.

They claimed masons, though (Zoe/Wash, more specifically). Are there plausible non-town/scum characters that comes to mind as masons in this universe for you?

Also, Jingle's one of my strong townreads at this point. I feel like checking him or Gamma is a waste when we could be looking for another of the scum/3P who seem to outnumber us.

We didn’t actually claim any flavor explicitly, pardon? All we’ve done is speculation.

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So I just looked it up for kicks and Netflix has the Serenity movie
Would I be fine watching it without seeing the show first?

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Hulu has Firefly, btw, iirc.

Well I’m not allowed Hulu on my phone until I get a job

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So...how did Elsa lose her BP?

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VOTE: Tails
And if anyone accuses me of sheeping Jingle will tell you I was first to say Tails was Menno’s partner between us

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P.edit and Chick obviously.

This is why I don’t think we should rush this lynch, in case there could conceivably be both a doc and bg in this setup.

I’m torn between Chick’s inistence that Tails/Nico is either Simon/River and Nico’s weird possibly traitor-signaling type post.

However, Nico was MIA prior to Tails subbing in and therefore seems unlikely to be Simon, unless there’s another proective in the story that could explain a 2nd doc. Is there?

If Chick is River, then how does bg Tails explain Simon, because obviously a full doc had to have protected Toog on N1. So if Nico/Tails is Simon, then which character would be the doc?

Each HoB has a JK right? JK is used, LR attracts it, kills are stopped. Make sense?

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By *this* Im' referring to EJ's motivations, NOT solving what happened last night. I'm okay with that, but I find what EJ is saying and their continued hints that they're not actually town etc etc to be distasteful, anti-town, and want them gone once I run out of people I'm sure are scum to lynch. ^^

-Cerb

EJ's motivations have very clearly been "Survive to Endgame" the entire time. Like, most obvious motivation ever. Could be scum, could be survivor. The "Oops, I'm town" retraction was very clearly an attempt at WIFOM to keep himself alive. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the change from Doc to Hider is a fakeclaim to keep himself alive. I'm also not really worried about it, because the way he's gone about it means he's almost certainly not going to endgame us unless we drop the ball massively.

Funny thing is that EJ’s day-to-day play is Survivor-esque

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Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

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Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

What why?

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Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

}}

Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

What why?

Jingle is making bad setup spec and is protecting a known liar when his(?) claim is shit.
Plus he is also protecting Tails.
You and he are a package deal.
Elsa is fishy AF
Mala claimed 3P.

1) Jingle was also pushing Tails for a time?
2) I assume you think me+Jingle+Tails are all teamed. Who do you think is last HoB?

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I think I’d rather let what RK enables stay hidden for now

[Gamma Emerald]

wat

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: Chara only, read at your peril

DUDE WTF DO YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR AVOIDING SPOILERS
CHANGE THE AVATAR

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So... Massclaim?

I stand with Jingle

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actually, i want Elsa Jay to go first.

I find this sensible

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I would like BuJaber, Toog, Math/Nancy to full claim first.

I'm already full claimed, and as of today I'm pretty much just a Vanilla Bean.

I'm nothing more than a Lightning Rod for those of you thinking I was a JoaT or some such.

Aren’t you non-consecutive? Why are you a self proclaimed “Vanilla Bean”?

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I thought you just outright posted your role PM jesus fucking christ

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huh......
I either understand everything or nothing

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I'm a seraph knight for Malcolm. I don't know who it is just that it's whoever Malcolm is.

I die in their place. Lynch or NK doesn't matter.

That's why it's doubly hard for Mala to win. I don't mess with lynchers I just mess with Mala specifically.

I don't have the crew member extra line thing. I also have a tendency to confirm my alignment to the mod when I confirm my role but since this game it wasn't explicitly stated I added something like I assume I'm town, to which A50 replied and his reply implies that town is made up of serenity + allies. Whatever that means.

That's all.. I didn't want someone to try to fakeclaim Mal somehow. I also wanted to keep the WIFOM of me being Mal as long as possible as that would literally be the best way to keep him alive.

This got a small chuckle out of me, I had a similar role in a game from 2016 (Death Note Mafia). I can’t get into the best part though.

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And I believe the claim fyi

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We have 12 alive rn, so at most 10 Town

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I just thought of a possibly ridiculous, possibly great idea - we could no lynch today and see what happens tonight. That could resolve whether there's still any night killing roles left, or whether Mala is the only "threat to town" left. I know Cheeky's compulsive, but she could declare her target or be on someone who's unlikely to be NK'ed (like Mala or Elsa or, frankly, me).

Crackpot theory
Could Cheeky be the real Book?

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Targeting Chick doesn't nessesarily mean she was a kill target does it?

Afawk, only RR has claimed anything non-doc related wrt to NAs. And like I already said, she obviously couldn’t have been roleblocked right or she would have know it and no one has claimed anything else - unless someone is either lying or failing to be forthcoming.

Chick's a day flavour cop, not a night one. she woupdn't have noticed.
and scum wouldn't have roleblocked a day PR.

I’d like for Chick to investigate Flicker

[Gamma Emerald]

@RK:

[...] I would treat the Lightning Rod as "action

targeting

everyone" if that makes any sense.)

I think this means the LR registers as an outgoing action.

Pedit: Yeah, I'm starting to get a little paranoid of Jingle and Gamma too. It seems a little unlikely for Zoe and Wash to just be Masons and nothing else, IMO.

Why must our roles have something more to them huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

Tails was ...

Spoiler:

Hello

Light Ethos

&

Tails

You are The "Hands of Blue", going by (Hands of Blue 1 & Hands of Blue 2). You are contractors to the Union of Allied Planets and are in pursuit of River and Simon Tam. You kill without mercy using a sonic device that induces massive bleeding from every orifice. [b{You both are Jailkeepers, but the same person can't JK and kill at the same night[/b], and

if you both target each other with the Jailkeep both your actions will fail

. You are also aware that there's an undercover Union of Allied Planets agent working on the same mission, but you don't know who they are (it means

the 3rd member of your team is a Traitor

). You win when the Serenity crew are eliminated (i.e. all town-aligned players are dead) or nothing can stop that from happening.

Important: To avoid flavour gaming; Town players have NOT been given their flavour.

TWO BY TWO, HANDS OF BLUE.

Here is your Hands of Blue/Union of Allied Planets PT.

Thread is now locked and it's Night 3

Please send in you night action before the deadline expires

Night Deadline (expired on 2018-11-08 23:00:00)

Do you really think Tails sacrificed his kill by JKing Chick, rather than kill? With 2 scum and only 1 townie dead, it seems strange.

And then why did Tails push RR lynch, if they could confirm him?

And how do you explain Thor kill then?

Tails didn’t know what RR was?

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Oooo interesting cop on RK. This is what I got.

That seems to fit with our role but I’m kind of disappointed now. I was really hoping a check on us, would clarify our flavour. :/

So, I still have no idea who we are storywise.

Jingle you’re up, figure this out

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If scum kill me to take away my victory, I'm going to be very sad.

I really hope they do and I’m surprised they haven’t already

VOTE: Mala
Now that’s uncalled for

[Gamma Emerald]

Welcome to the club
And the different claims haven’t been to much of a distraction imo

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Dude.

You will win, unless you just admitted that you're scum and feel like you'll lose.

so you shouldn't even feel welcomed in my club.

I said “welcome to the club” because I’d actually been in your position in two past games. Nice try buckaroo.

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UNVOTE:

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@RR so are you in favor of voting RK or EJ

[Gamma Emerald]

?

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Probably should clear this with Almost, but considering Jingle mentioned he talks to Almost I'm sure some of you do as well. He thinks it funny that I'm so close and getting hung NOW of all times is funny.

I may be able to interpret this as there literally only being 1 scum left, but I dont know.

Btw this feels a bit unethical

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Eh I’ll leave it, if the mod wants to take action it’s his call

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Why repost the first part

[Gamma Emerald]

There's nothing much in ANY of the PTs, but I will hold for the next 48 hrs to see if anyone objects to the release of their PT.

*sad face*

~D

LOL.. oh yeah... you had some stuff but I never got it in real time.

Watch me discuss Queen and Freddie Mercury with Jingle in the Masons PT. Watch Tails talking to me about most everything when he was left alone in the HoB PT. TPFKAP asked for their own PT but didn't use it in any way. Even the dead thread wasn't active enough to call it a discussion.

TPFKAP squandering PTs like the garbage he is

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Btw I’m sorry if i offended anyone during this game.

Mainly pointing out to EJ and Gamma.

I’ll admit I was a bit of an ass because I was kinda jaded

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Sorry Tails
I’d love to try another game with you sometime

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Hey I kinda got that right
Sliders and Xena were late 90's/very early 2000's.
Firefly was 2002-2003 and on Fox, apparently.

Yeah Firefly was Fox, how do you think it only got one season