Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:49 am

In post 3099, Mitillos wrote:@worst: Because whenever an L-1 goes unannounced, it gives the opportunity to scum to hammer and go "Oh, I didn't realise that was hammer, whoops". And given that Performer is still not lynched, I'm pretty sure that in such a scenario, scum would just get away with said hammer.

Perf knew he was hammering I thought? and like what was the actual problem with that hammer and why do you seem to think hammering only comes from scum?

pedit: I uhhh
UNVOTE:
I'm drunk and thinking thoughts which is scary
I'll report back

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:54 am

VOTE: Mewtaph
Good point!!

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:59 am

Keys have you claimed your informed information? I can't find it

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:03 am

In post 3108, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3106, the worst wrote:Keys have you claimed your informed information? I can't find it
No, not yet. Do you think I should?

If you have information I trust you to trust your judgement on it. I meant Keyser.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:04 am

acrually it might be smart for you to confirm the flavour you know about as that might help with holistic setup solv9ng or when massclaim stuff goes down it will probably help

You know

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:09 am

In post 3111, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 3110, the worst wrote:acrually it might be smart for you to confirm the flavour you know about as that might help with holistic setup solv9ng or when massclaim stuff goes down it will probably help

You know
Are you talking to me?

No that was at Nancy

Have you claimed the thing you're informed abut?

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:12 am

yeah okay thar makes sense.. any reason you didn't outright claim this earlier? do you know anything else?

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:29 am

In post 3116, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3114, the worst wrote:yeah okay thar makes sense.. any reason you didn't outright claim this earlier? do you know anything else?
I should have D1. I figured I had to once A50 made that crumb but I should have D1, for obvious reasons.

Sorry Nancy you're OK. I'm mostly talking to Keyser atm. I can't hold two conversations very well online after drinking

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:31 am

I'm kinda doing mental gymnastics about the possibility of like scum aligned with the other non Terran SC races who wouldn't have guns and the possibility of a Terran third party who would have a gun and an informed faction unknown gunsmith who knows about a third party who has a gun

Harpoon I need you

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:38 am

In post 3121, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3114, the worst wrote:yeah okay thar makes sense.. any reason you didn't outright claim this earlier? do you know anything else?
I’ve already told you all I know. All I know is the flavour name of one of the players in this game. I know no additional info regarding that flavour - either alignment, role, etc.

Right now I'm thinking if you don't claim it and aren't alive to claim it later, we might potentially lose out on a soft!IC. like if your role pm confirms a specific Terran good dude is in the game for instance then whenever massclaim happens we'll know that's a flavour and not a fakeclaim if that makes sense?

or if it's like, idk starcraft Voldemort or some shit then we know theres scum with that flavour and idk this situation isn't as helpful

I feel liek it might be better for you to confirm the name of the flavour Thars confirmed to you, but not for us to mass flavourclaim until like maybe LyLo?

someone else should weigh in on this before we take any action tho bc my brain might be jumping the shark

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:40 am

In post 3122, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 3117, Xtoxm wrote:Key N1 result? Are you odd/even night or full power?
I checked Creature.

Odd night.

why did you check Creature?

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:43 am

if a third party's only enemy is a role that gets guilties on like probably most kinds of scum and also a town PGO and also a town vig I acrually don't think it's too bizarre. I'm not even 1% surprised to see a gunsmith in this setup, I just can't work through the informed bit right now

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:44 am

In post 3127, AlmostNancy wrote:Yeah, but how can I be IC pre-flip?

Not you--the flavour yiu know about

Like Lers say you're informed and know Terran Joe is a flavour in the game and then let's say you die at night. when we hit LyLo IF you've confirmed jtt that Terran Joe is a flavour in the game and he hasn't flipped yet, then whoever has that flavour is confirmed town I think?

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:46 am

that's what I'm wondering. maybe let Nauci and Varsoon weigh in on this because I'm not totally sure this is a good idea, just thinking aloud.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:49 am

I'm not convinced this claim is town indicative and I feel like I'm missing pieces of the bigger picture.. I think I need to sleep on this and probably talk to Nauci

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:50 am

And Shoshin too tbh, I've got flavour/mechanicalgaming on my brain

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:51 am

In post 3134, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3130, the worst wrote:
In post 3127, AlmostNancy wrote:Yeah, but how can I be IC pre-flip?
Not you--the flavour yiu know about

Like Lers say you're informed and know Terran Joe is a flavour in the game and then let's say you die at night. when we hit LyLo IF you've confirmed jtt that Terran Joe is a flavour in the game and he hasn't flipped yet, then whoever has that flavour is confirmed town I think?
Yeah, I can confirm that this flavour is a REAL one, so if no one has claimed it in LYLO and someone claims a fake one, then I suppose?

If someone does claim it in LyLo they're probably conftown and if someone doesn't claim it in LyLo it's probably a lockscum flavour, yeah.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:11 am

There's a very real possibility I'm getting over-excited.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:13 am

I mean it's generally impossible to know whether or not not it jmpacts the game so.. it is what it is

also I've only been skimming the super flavour heavy discussions tbqh so I would prefer to defer to Nauci and Varsoon

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:28 am

I don't know tbh....sorry

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:39 am

VOTE: Performer

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:39 am

VOTE: Mewtaph

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:40 am

WHY IS THERE SO MUCH RESISTENCE TO BOTH OF THESE WAGONS

I FEEL LIKE SURELY WE MUST HAVE WAGONED SCJM AR SOME POINT TOFAY BUT THINGS KEEP COMING UP

HELP

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:47 am

I'm actually starting to think Nancy is probably town tho which is handy

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:59 am

With the Perf/Keys/Mewt swinging and constant wagon interruptions I swear there has to be some scumfuckery going on.

Shoshin's case on Keyser is on point and I want to vote there but I feel like there's probably a mechanical reason not to right now.

Perf's claim is wolfy and he looks wolfy but he always looks wolfy bur from a gamestate point of view it definitely makes sense for him to be a wolf who the scumteam doesn't want lynched. or otherwise he might be town and maybe other people are stuck in this same weird conundrum I am where I don't trust myself to get this read completely right anyway.

by reads and in a vacuum (if I were a 1 shot dayvig type deal) I think I would just outright prefer a Mewt lynch if only for the fact I'm having such a hard time having a confident read on him

But my reads lately have been quite intensely bad and I'm not really trusting myself to navigate this right and it's frustrating as hell

Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:00 am

In post 3158, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3156, the worst wrote:I'm actually starting to think Nancy is probably town tho which is handy
Ditto.

I should hope you're townreading yourself!

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:29 am

I don't disbelieve Keyser's claim for a second I'm just not sure it's a town claim....

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:35 am

In post 3192, Shoshin wrote:Did Key claim flavor?

No.

In post 3193, Shoshin wrote:
In post 3183, Nauci wrote:Maybe this is like American Presidents where town basically did catch multiple scum early but kept thinking that only one of the competing wagons could be scum instead of that all of the candidates were
This is my sense. I don't see resistance to the Performer/Mew wagons, just a lot of movement from townies trying to choose the highest percentage lynch.

This is a pretty reasonable take; I feel less frustrated now. The Xtoxm pop-in to remind us all to lynch Performer not Mew kind of threw me out of orbit....

In post 3198, AlmostNancy wrote:P.edit because the REAL _____ will claim first and scum won’t be able to beat them to it.

Yeah I didn't think about this; the flavour massclaim thing works a lot better if it's done the day before LyLo I guess (assuming IC flavour is always cc'd at least once in LyLo)

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:36 am

In post 3202, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3200, Performer wrote:@AN Yes, informed scum can exist. How have you not seen one before?
No, the only informed scum I’ve ever heard of was Mafia Traitor.

Informed mafia definitely exists; they just get some setup info via role pm. Check the micro schadd_ recently modded, he used ir really cleverly.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:38 am

@mod

does informed information appear within a player's flip, or is it redacted?

This is important too; minor mod meta paranoia

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:42 am

Yeah Koki's promise to lolhammer at L-1 is playing on my mind quite a lot as well. I am pretty sure Mewt is nowhere near L-1 and I'm kinda comfortable here for now.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:43 am

In post 3208, AlmostNancy wrote:Exactly. And that page Nauci linked me to could become useful, to see if any scumflips correlate or not with infested terran. If not, then maybe there aren’t any in this game?

Okay fair point. I don't think this game will be fully breakable by flavour but I'm pretty sure there has to be something in the factional/weaponry thing.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:47 am

I'm gonna try and sleep again but just in case the day suddenly ends... just a reminder Kokichi should be the lynch tomorrow if he isn't literally confirmed town

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:56 pm

In post 2973, Kokichi Oma wrote:If performer gets to L-1 I'm gonna quick hammer

In post 3077, Kokichi Oma wrote:sheep me on key

In post 3245, Kokichi Oma wrote:Lynch key

In post 3247, Kokichi Oma wrote:Hes gonna lynch zerg. I can feel the bug in his posts

Koki talk to me when you're around

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:04 pm

In post 3292, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'm fine with any 3 of the wagons being lynched tbh

Part of me wants to push you on this but also part of me agrees at a spiritual level

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:05 pm

eh let's do it: if this was kingmaker who would you kill and why?

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:26 pm

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77905

Keyser scum meta hot off the press

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:57 pm

In post 3299, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3297, the worst wrote:viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77905

Keyser scum meta hot off the press
I dunno, he seems kind of different here? Can you link a towngame for comparison purposes? Thanks.

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77737
I totally misread him here. he looked like he was openwolfing d2 but we came around on each other pretty quickly d3.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76627
scum!ducky vs. town!keyser and like basically he should've been a mislynch via false associatives and accidentally wolfsiding but dumb silly Nauci neapolitan cleared him >:C (ily Nauci still salty)

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77119
I think we t/t read each other mostly correctly here except around my burnout mislynch late in the game, this is a very good example of his towngame

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:57 pm

good news: I don't feel like I'm very good at reading Keyser anymore.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:58 pm

In post 3298, Xtoxm wrote:thats a vanilla game
what am i meant to do with that

put in mouth??

it's only mostly good for like meta reading i think, I don't think he has any modern scum meta of theme games/claims

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:02 pm

I don't think anyone will claim Zergius Zergoite the ZventyZergth

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:00 pm

He didn't catch me at all; Nauci did (she knew there wouldn't be two investigatives in that setup and she was an unclaimed investigative

). He acrually thought the claim was brilliant & was ready to pardon my wolfy play...

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:02 pm

If you want true top notch irony I replaced into a mafia gunsmith role in a game Nauci modded not long after American presidents mafia.

viewtopic.php?p=10533317#p10533317

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:05 pm

I mean true but your meta case was slightly biased

and overwhelmingly righteous oops

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:05 pm

tell town!Nauci she's obvscum they said, it'll be fun they said

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:07 pm

true, you were obvscum Nauci's obvscum scumbuddy!

what a time to be alive.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:53 pm

I'm not totally sure that's a good reason to townread me, I'm pretty candid about my meta as both alignments I think?

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:33 pm

I doubt we'll know wrt non Terran killing roles until we have a scumflip supporting our flavour theory.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:56 pm

so you've caught someone fakeclaiming and have a comfirmable role which you don't want to claim..? I might be being bad but none of what you just said makes me want you to claim less

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:01 pm

You're voting Performer but believe his 1sbp claim and don't think he makes that if he killed Irrelephant and have someone else as confirmed fakeclaiming and... might? have a counterclaim? but you're not voting that person or counterclaiming?

I'm really confused

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:05 pm

In post 3324, Nauci wrote:
In post 3312, the worst wrote:tell town!Nauci she's obvscum they said, it'll be fun they said
Wait did the other 2 put you up to it I didn't read the scum pt

no the ducklings in my head put me up to it tbh

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:07 pm

In post 3326, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 3323, the worst wrote:You're voting Performer but believe his 1sbp claim and don't think he makes that if he killed Irrelephant and have someone else as confirmed fakeclaiming and... might? have a counterclaim? but you're not voting that person or counterclaiming?

I'm really confused
No... that's not what I'm saying.

eli5 pls

pedit: ooohhhhhhh

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:08 pm

uh I think you can fairly safely claim without someone who has TMI on your role needing to necessarily claim if you get what I mean

I'm also not sure why you're so calm about someone lying about their role

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:09 pm

In post 3331, Nauci wrote:
In post 3323, the worst wrote:You're voting Performer but believe his 1sbp claim and don't think he makes that if he killed Irrelephant and have someone else as confirmed fakeclaiming and... might? have a counterclaim? but you're not voting that person or counterclaiming?

I'm really confused
I think I know what he might be referring to?

I hate this mess of claims and crap we're currently in o_o

ye same this is not the kind of brainbending I enjoy >:C

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:11 pm

I feel like I'm dumb

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:29 pm

mewtaph

======
my head

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:47 pm

Nauci skitter and Mitillos I'm gonna defer to you guys here. I'm a pretty firm believer that a thinly veiled agenda is probably town indicative and like to me this just smells like peddling bullshit to coast while we lynch someone else but if you think there's some merit I'm missing I'll back off.

Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:31 pm

In post 3344, Nauci wrote:I feel like I'm under scrutinizing xtoxm today though

Big mood
I was thinking this last night

Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:04 pm

In post 3076, Mewtaph wrote:I don't think Performer's lying about his BP claim, so why would Performer would scum claim BP here?

In post 3150, Mewtaph wrote:VOTE: Performer

@Nancy I checked earlier as well.
Mewt is FPSing

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:08 pm

Shiiiiiiit that's clever play. I'm starting to wonder if everyone is either directly or indirectly informed tbqh

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:12 pm

indirectly, it'll flip with me

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:14 pm

part of my role suggests Certain Things but I don't have the informed modifier :>

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:15 pm

I think Keys on the balance of all things but I'm becoming pretty attached to this Mewtaph wagon

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:18 pm

┐(´д｀)┌

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:19 pm

I'd probably wait for Mewt to spill the beans first for like integrity's sake

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:23 pm

In post 3389, Xtoxm wrote:nauci is openwolfing

spoken like a true master

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:25 pm

@Keys the issue I have with the way you're presenting Mewtaph is I kinda feel like you're reading malice into his actions rather than approaching from a place of curiosity/intrigue and trying to discern his intentions if that makes sense

I agree on principle with most of what you're saying but if your claim is true and you have nothing to hide why preempt the attack on Mewt?

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:26 pm

do we L-1 Mewtaph to see what happens? asking for a friend

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:36 pm

Isn't Keyser informed directly too?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:31 pm

In post 3425, Xtoxm wrote:Thanks Nancy. I'm not sure what to do with you, but i'm sure you'd like to know I moved you out of my scum pile some time today.

A large part of me feels like Nauci is just open wolfing here, the agenda she has been pushing today is so pro-scum. I can't tell if it's coming from a malicious place or reckless town trying to game solve.

I'm not really sure how you can claim Shoshin is openwolfing then not be able to reach a conclusion on her alignment.. I still think she's really obvious town and I don't think she's wolfsiding at all.

What nefarious agenda are you seeing here?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:35 pm

Nope, I'm just still asleep. As soon as I hit post I was like LOLFUCK
I definitely meant Nauci. xD

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:39 pm

In post 3514, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 3508, the worst wrote:
In post 3425, Xtoxm wrote:Thanks Nancy. I'm not sure what to do with you, but i'm sure you'd like to know I moved you out of my scum pile some time today.

A large part of me feels like Nauci is just open wolfing here, the agenda she has been pushing today is so pro-scum. I can't tell if it's coming from a malicious place or reckless town trying to game solve.
I'm not really sure how you can claim Shoshin is openwolfing then not be able to reach a conclusion on her alignment.. I still think she's really obvious town and I don't think she's wolfsiding at all.

What nefarious agenda are you seeing here?
Because there have been, actually quite a few moments where I thought Nauci looked like town trying to figure things out. But her actions today have been pro-scum. It's dangerous to dismiss scummy actions just because it's packaged behind something that gives you a town feel.

What parts of her D2 have been pro-scum? I might be dumb

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:46 pm

In post 3460, skitter30 wrote:i kinda wnat to lynch all of {mew/key/kokichi}
kinda xtoxm too
my townread on mitillos is basically gone
my gut says performer may be town (or at least not groupscum) but i think he needs to be resolved somehow but i don't feel like he's the best lynch today because there's people i scumread more

just a friendly reminder that this PoE is on point and Kokichi needs to be resolved and still has high scum equity

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:49 pm

In post 3473, Nauci wrote:Has everyone dropped expectations of kokichi to post and are just waiting on whatever ~*~mechanic~*~ to reveal itself?

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:51 pm

In post 3493, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3489, Shoshin wrote:Nancy, I beg you to stop talking about proving Key's role. Key's role doesn't prove his alignment so it's not a helpful area of discussion to sort him.
Can you link me to any games with a scum gunsmith in them?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77190

It's a classic counter to a town vig

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:18 pm

In post 3521, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 3429, Xtoxm wrote:pushing lots of different wagons to out info, further pushing mew after he said revealing his info would be anti town, and now pushing on key despite no other invest claims. i struggle to see town motivation for any of this.
@tw, i don't think you have read all the new stuff yet. here is the quote anyway.

Interesting I guess.. I wasn't really impressed with the way Mewtaph suddenly seized up either so I don't really hate the fact she was pushing him there.

Actually I think her consistent Presence wrt wagon pushing is far more likely to come from town!Nauci than scum!Nauci

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:19 pm

In post 3523, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3515, Nauci wrote:It bothers me that A50 is hardly posting at all
Funny that our slot has posted as much as you (3rd highest poster) and Shoshin (4th highest poster) combined and you're still "bothered" I'm not posting enough.

Nancy you know what she meant.. :/

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:33 pm

Lynch Kokichi tomorrow unless he's confirmed town.
TIA

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:54 pm

I'm probably more inclined to stick to scumhunting til we hit groupscum and make the rest up from there

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:58 pm

Personally I still think it's pro-town? If it's a town conformable role then when it is claimed later (unless it's cc'd) it's as good as gold. vice versa if it's a scum conformable role at least we've kinda got something to hunt for and a bit more setup info..

we should know sooner or later whether flavour has an impact on the game (the fun stuff seems to indicate it does)

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:00 pm

I'm also a little at a loss for why Varsoon full claimed but if he felt like he'd crumbed too hard and he knows the scumteam knows he's a thing it kinda makes sense that way, not just from a solving POV

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:04 pm

In post 3606, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3598, Nauci wrote:For the record, Duran is a Xel'naga, a species separate from the 3 main factions in the game. They're more like god-tier creatures who push the other 3 around like chess pieces. So I'd be inclined to think Varsoon is 3p (probably non town killing 3p?) and that there's an evil Duran in the game. Duran is a Xel'naga species character who has disguised as various characters throughout the franchise of arguable virtue to push the narrative along.

This flavor shit is now completely bananas and I am shaking my fist at Krazy's popcorn bucket
I’m only familiar with one kind of Duran.

Spoiler:

I was thinking this but the timing seemed off..

is this still Nancy?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:17 pm

In post 3610, Nauci wrote:But I thought the sentiment was actually towny from xtoxm

I might be swinging a different way bc Different People but I found his stance on you openwolfing to be like... really narrow minded and not really take into account the holistic agenda you're working through your ISO

like its probably possible for scum!Nauci to execute your last ~20 posts but your entire trajectory and the way you've clearly hounded the slots you are not townreading and the way you've reacted to claims today doesn't look like a scum agenda to me at all

idk I just didn't feel his post

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:25 pm

@Nauci I have no idea what you mean..

but yeah, I kinda grind my teeth avoiding lynches for mechanical reasons as well. but if we were in a town of the worsts, we would have lynched Kokichi and to hell with the minute risk of him being a late activating IC.

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:31 pm

I'll host Dethy if you all want

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:40 pm

Mafia is an unlogic puzzle

Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:32 pm

In post 3640, skitter30 wrote:@tw is it normal for town!nancy to freak out whenever someone says they're scumreading her?

yes
it's also town indicative

Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:34 pm

if Kokichi isn't conftown tonight he is tomorrow's lynch.

Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:36 pm

In post 3652, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3649, the worst wrote:
In post 3640, skitter30 wrote:@tw is it normal for town!nancy to freak out whenever someone says they're scumreading her?
yes
it's also town indicative
ngl it's a little frustrating and exhausting reading through that each time

It is
You can hear this silent giggle when she tries to do it as scum tho, it's difficult to explain but she's townposting a lot today

Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:33 pm

I very very much doubt Performer is ever behind the Rel kill. Let me catch up.

Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:53 pm

I think I need
more blood...

Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:47 pm

In post 3752, Varsoon wrote:I

@Vars we should chat post-game. Let all the cards fall how they will first, and all that.

Fwiw I think your reconsideration of AlNan just now was a strong play. Via dayplay she feels a lot like town, but I get why your role suggests that she or someone with similar information is probably a wolf.

I just.. don't think scum!Nancy is strongly incentivised to claim that she's informed of a particular flavour at all if she's actually informed of your role's existence? I got the feeling that's what you were saying. Like it feels to me like if someone as scum was aware of that they'd probably clam the fuck up.

Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:53 pm

In post 3803, Shoshin wrote:For the record, I don't think Varsoon made a mistake outing his information.

I actually agree with this.

Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:57 pm

In post 3811, Shoshin wrote:My thoughts on claims/roles

This is a great post. Not_Mafia and I literally coasted to 6p MyLo as scum in Gamma Emerald's Earthbound mafia because we navigated an early massclaim well and town was in the mood to lynch mechanically.

Neither of us were even that towny

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:00 pm

skitter is town yeah

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:01 pm

VOTE: Keyser Söze
my love if you haven't forsake me again please show it quickly..</3

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:45 pm

In post 3893, Nauci wrote:
In post 3861, AlmostNancy wrote:WOAT
Am I out of touch?

I thought I was one of the buzzwordiest people here lol

worst of all time

NIOOT

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:47 pm

my posting feels so shallow rn but I'm kinda looking through pages like "hmm ok" and waiting to see if I've been betrayed

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:49 pm

I read AlNan about equally to Varsoon atm which is to say my read on both has increased dramatically this phase and I don't consider the stuff they're fighting over to be explicitly AI

actually I'd be slightly disappointed in the shallowness of the setup if Nancy's role could be spewed scum via flavour softing, and I don't think this is how she approaches an informed scum role like this anyway :/

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:30 pm

In post 3909, Nauci wrote:
In post 3894, the worst wrote:NIOOT
Nauci is out of touch?

You bet

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:32 pm

VOTE: Mewtaph

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:33 pm

hard not to beetlejuice when people are always talking about you

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:37 pm

{tw}
{shoshin, nauci, skitter30}
{Varsoon, AlmostNancy}
{Xtoxm, Mitillos, Performer}
{Keyser}
{Mewtaph}
{Kokichi}

This feels really good atm. if Kokichi isn't conftown d3 he's lynched d3 always. trust me on this if I'm NK'd.

Bracket above Keyser contains 1-2 town probably but I'm a conflicted on all 3 of them for different reasons.

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:37 pm

In post 3927, Mewtaph wrote:Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

suss my read list

ignoring your position, where am I right/wrong and why?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:42 pm

Last time I played with scum!Perf he was like really obvscum and I had him dead nailed d1 and I'm not feeling the same intense need to powerlynch him here. I don't find him a super? easy read and he always reads fake but I'd say via content he reads more like his town self than his scum self, if slightly

his claim really obviously doesn't come from scum who killed Irrelephant imo and that entire line of reasoning was pretty jank. he could pretty easily be a wolf who isn't behind the Rel kill but also there are people I want dead more

I could probably end up compromising on Performer but it'd be a compromise at this point

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:42 pm

sorry for the lukewarm take

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:44 pm

In post 3927, Mewtaph wrote:Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

In post 3933, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 3929, the worst wrote:
In post 3927, Mewtaph wrote:Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.
suss my read list

ignoring your position, where am I right/wrong and why?
Not going to go into this today.

fam.. :c

Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:53 pm

I don't really mind the consensus vibe because like... the players who are obvtown have been obvtowning pretty aggressively and if we're townreading scum I don't think we're likely to work it out d2 at this pace anyway

AlNan I was not townreading d1 but am townreading d2 and I think her towntells today do exceed the iffy bits of her d2 iso. this townread's starting to feel warmer

pedit: *cries silently @ 10 pedits*

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:05 pm

@Xtoxm that readlist actually makes me feel a little better about you. if you want to air the paranoia you're having and work thru stuff I'm all ears, but I don't feel like your read on me is agenda driven so I'm pretty much fine w it on surface level

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:07 pm

I don't want to lynch Xtoxm d2 I don't think

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:08 pm

In post 3952, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3857, the worst wrote:
In post 3803, Shoshin wrote:For the record, I don't think Varsoon made a mistake outing his information.
I actually agree with this.
Just curious. Why? @Shoshin

I have my reasons if you want them but I don't wanna take the lead if you'd rather have Shoshin's first

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:31 pm

In post 3962, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 3951, the worst wrote:@Xtoxm that readlist actually makes me feel a little better about you. if you want to air the paranoia you're having and work thru stuff I'm all ears, but I don't feel like your read on me is agenda driven so I'm pretty much fine w it on surface level
On day 1 you seemed to see glimmers of town in me when i wasnt really doing anything, and the scumreads on me were justified.
but today you reversed that and said you'd lost the read, were pushing me as scum for a while.
when my play has actually improved, and a lot of players have noticed.
im actually very deep within my town meta at this point.
Nancy's read on me evolved. Nauci's read evolved. Skitter's read evolved. Even Perf moved me to null.
Mit and shos are plodding along calling me scum. i specifically didn't mention shos at all for a very long time and mentally moved her to null to see if she re-evaluated but she didnt.
your read went in the opposite direction while others were starting to tr me which is a progression i struggle to understand. which gave me paranoia the read was fake and you were WK-ing me on d1.

scum struggle to dynamically evolve their reads. ive been pegged as a ml since d1 and scum dont want to let go of me.

This is a very fair take and I see where your paranoia comes from. I feel like I've kinda forced myself to reevaluate my read on you today but haven't... really been able to put in the time to do a very good job of it..... for what it's worth I don't think I've ever considered you a good lynch today, more like cognisance of the fact the glimmers of town I saw in you d1 were probably closer to "things to look into later" than outright towntells if that makes sense.

I definitely feel good about your readlist just now tho.

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:32 pm

In post 3969, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3897, the worst wrote:my posting feels so shallow rn but I'm kinda looking through pages like "hmm ok" and waiting to see if I've been betrayed
How and by whom?

Keyser. He isn't meant to roll scum with my permission

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:54 pm

In post 3980, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3928, the worst wrote:{tw}
{shoshin, nauci, skitter30}
{Varsoon, AlmostNancy}
{Xtoxm, Mitillos, Performer}
{Keyser}
{Mewtaph}
{Kokichi}

This feels really good atm. if Kokichi isn't conftown d3 he's lynched d3 always. trust me on this if I'm NK'd.

Bracket above Keyser contains 1-2 town probably but I'm a conflicted on all 3 of them for different reasons.
Could you demote us one notch, dear kind friend? Please and thank you.

~A50

since you asked so nicely dear monkey

Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:01 pm

In post 3993, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3940, Xtoxm wrote:idk what to make of mew.
i dont usually see this kind of mocking apathy from scum.
So, who do you think I should vote for?

@The worst, same question.

Mewtaph imo

where are your reads at rn?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:08 pm

In post 3999, Mewtaph wrote:It's not that hard to see why my tone has twisted that way. Nauci is voting me selectively because I actually bit back and said she's not thinking about the game properly. the worst is just in a never ending loop where he doesn't want to engage me so he thinks I'm scum based off of his first impression. skitter just wants me roped. Varsoon has sound advice but doesn't know the specific circumstances of my info - it's a themed game and we've already had a lot of interestingly manipulated roles at this point.

I think it's pretty clear who I want lynched today. I think it's pretty clear who I think is town.

I even posted a reads list
earlier today
that people are pretending I never made so they can continue to be insensitive to my claim space.

Mewtaph I tried to engage you literally the last time you were itt. Don't misrepresent people so grossly.

If your head is so badly stuck in the sand and you are town, pull it out now and try to win this. Your towngame is better than this but some margin.

Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:16 pm

Shoshin I think Xtoxm is probably town after all. Thoughts?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:19 pm

Mewt I respect omitting information (I have information. Which I also won't be revealing rn as I've mentioned a few times) but you also look like a wolf. if you don't want to fullclaim help us find a better lynch candidate? who won't you lynch today? I get you posted some reads a while ago but they were kinda nai at best and I have no idea where your head is at as of the last like 30? pages

Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:44 pm

In post 4015, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3971, the worst wrote:
In post 3969, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 3897, the worst wrote:my posting feels so shallow rn but I'm kinda looking through pages like "hmm ok" and waiting to see if I've been betrayed
How and by whom?
Keyser. He isn't meant to roll scum with my permission
Your permission?

I’m not following?

Don't worry about it, I'm shitposting. Keyser and I have a special relationship.

Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:48 pm

VOTE: Mewtaph

Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:49 pm

that's OK. Lemme know when you're caught up.

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:00 pm

I actually don't give a fuck if he doesn't claim. If he's town he needs to play the game and give us a reason to townread him

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:15 pm

@Mewt, how would you compare mines and say skitter's read profession on you to Performer's and Keyser's?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:48 pm

VOTE: Keyser
I wanna do a bit of fact/perspective checking but I like what I see when you take the olive branch. if you feel like its hard to get a word in sideways feel free to reach out to me on stuff as long as I'm alive; I can try my best to generate content with you.

Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:00 pm

@Nancy I don't feel good about my meta check on him. It was based on pretty early posting, and after the last couple of open games I've seen him in I'm not so comfortable with my ability to read him. His roleclaim is NAI at best (Mastina is a reviewer here; I can hear her voice in the back of my head yelling "ROLE != ALIGNMENT" (she sounds like a teacher in my mind))

I have a pretty bad feeling about lynching Performer, and I'm starting to get a bad feeling about lynching Mew as well. I think Keyser is the right way to go for me today.

Are you clearing Keys off anything else?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:47 pm

quack

Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:48 pm

forgot I'm not the mod nvm
Nauci lmk when you catch up on pg162

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:09 pm

Hi
I kinda liked Mewtaph's lucidity and points on Keys/Perf but you swept that confidence pretty hard

3999 was an excruciatingly bad post but the sheer daft not paying attention of it struck me as uhhh not groupscummy in a way?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:09 pm

kitty photography<33333

okay we can talk about it tomorrow or something. I'm gonna hope Mewt continues to do things that do not suck

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:12 pm

In post 4058, the worst wrote:3999 was an excruciatingly bad post but the sheer daft not paying attention of it struck me as uhhh not groupscummy in a way?

I think it genuinely came from someone who at least to some extent had no idea where they fit into the gamestate. some parts of it read as manipulative to me at first but then more I re-read the more derp it feels

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:26 pm

Yeah I hadn't dug that far into context about 3999 but totally agree in isolation it was immensely wolfy.

asdfghjkl;' I'm so lost
I can't lynch the player I scumread the most :/

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:33 pm

Kokichi mothrrfuking oma

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:33 pm

more bad faith than slot right now

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:37 pm

there is a possibility I'm wrong there but unless he's literally actually a n2 innocent child it's pretty slim

Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:20 pm

In post 4080, Shoshin wrote:xwing in schadd's game, or Random in Labyrinth

I don't feel great about this phase; Xtoxm in particular I probably wanna talk through a bit more but if you're having strong intuition I'll follow it.

Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:54 pm

Sorry Shoshin I need to do a couple of mod things & pack; I'll swing back asap.

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:17 pm

@Shoshin in a nutshell I think Xtoxm's lassaiz-faire attitude, comfort with real-time interactions and kinda passive knowledge of how people are interacting with his slot/his position in the gamestate is not easy to fake as smoothly as he would've been. He's reasonable as scum but he's very Old Meta Good Scum where he can drop a reasonable post then disappear for a while and slide by on the towncred for it. But he's not playing like Old Meta Good Scum. He doesn't feel as like, stiff and forced.

I agree his scumread on you wasn't great but I disliked Varsoon's more and the way he originally spun around on you looked like a caricature of his towngame. Imo Xtoxm needs to get over the fact you are just not scum and this many people aren't wrong but his stubbornness doesn't actually vibe agendaey; same as his nulltown paranoid read on me. neither of us are viable mislynches unless we make it to 3p and the game hasn't ended or something. Xtoxm eats a lynch if he tries to 1v1 one of us. EOD.

I'm not sure if his scumrange as a returning player is broad enough to be this silky smooth?

I'm kinda applying different reasoning to the "returning scum meta" argument Mathdino used to townread Zoronos correctly in A50's game and I'm trying to work out of this holds up..

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:19 pm

I kinda forced myself to put on my fake mason hat wrt explaining town!xtoxm but that felt better than expected

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:36 pm

VOTE: Mitillos
I agree.

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:38 pm

I feel like you read the thread in a different way I do but in retrospect I kind of like the way you're talking through slots you don't like + why you don't like them etc. in real-time rather than just updating your reads when it feels necessary with retrospective explanations

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:42 pm

In post 4161, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 4153, the worst wrote:Imo Xtoxm needs to get over the fact you are just not scum and this many people aren't wrong
some of it is that im just not going to let someone deathtunnel me like this without pushback.
its not fun being deathtunneled.

Yeah I'll pay that. but often tunnels are pretty alignment telling and outside of frustration I think Shoshin's read on you has been a a very very towny kind of tunnel.

she's not townread you yet but hasn't like, used you as an excuse to votepark someone or ever half assed her read on you. even now there's no feeling that it's a read she's fabricating imo, and her case on you just now was completely sensible and showed a solving mentality

like she's actually just obvtowning and not townreading you I'm pretty sure

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:46 pm

FML I forgot about Mew... VOTE: Mewtaph
trying to sort Xtoxm/Mit was too much fun

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:47 pm

actually Mit is probably a suboptimal lynch today if just for the fact he's obviously playing the game and should be sortable later

his recent post wrt townreads talking in circles actually pinged my sympathy (The Heroes Wanted Effect) just slightly

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:53 pm

Are you fucking serious D:
I'm really sorry.. That was meant to be for pressure

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:54 pm

asdfghjkl;' I have information that suggests Koki is scum

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:55 pm

but like... not strongly
if I die tonight it'll be clear

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:56 pm

I still did not mean to lolhammer that early

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:56 pm

In post 4181, Nauci wrote:TW you best not be dead tomorrow

I would be so sads

Gonna try my best not to be ;n;

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:57 pm

In post 4183, Mewtaph wrote:Nauci why would I lie, I would just be giving free reaction town pings at this point.

I have this awful feeling in my. Gut like you're greening after the Kokichi comment but it could be a false associative or antispew. like its not remotely impossible that you're still scum after that.

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:57 pm

do you have any final taeks/rsads if you are town?

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:03 pm

A lot of d2 stuff is starting to make sense and I feel like incredibly dense rn

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:08 pm

after Earthbound I am very happy to say: there is no reason not to lynch shonky investigative claims and Keyser needs to be sorted by eod3. by content or flip. either is fine

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:14 pm

tomorrow sort {Kokichi, Keyser, Mitillos} imo

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:22 pm

In post 4218, AlmostNancy wrote:Do we need to sort Kokichi?

Yes. Trust me on this one.

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:26 pm

my information isn't explicitly damning either; just interesting we've got opposing softs. I understand why you were hesitant about talking about who you thought was lying, now..

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:28 pm

Nancy I get the impression either of us could be wrong, we've got contradicting soft results on Kokichi.

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:30 pm

In post 4227, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4223, the worst wrote:my information isn't explicitly damning either; just interesting we've got opposing softs. I understand why you were hesitant about talking about who you thought was lying, now..
Key?

I think he meant Kokichi... he's very likely to not be an actual n2 IC but I think we need to spend more time sorting him rather than writing it off as a survivalistic claim from scum.

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:30 pm

also I'm talking too much

Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:37 pm

In post 4237, Nauci wrote:SADNESS

QFVMT

Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:38 pm

we might be in 3v1v1v5.....

Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:35 pm

yeah no you're full claiming before I explain my soft. I'll L-2 this gladly if you stall.

Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:48 pm

Lol. I am not going to tell you what I know so you can fakeclaim around it.

Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:51 pm

my gut is telling me to L-3 kokichi and see what happens

i really doubt i'm saying shit until he's fullclaimed with actions.

Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:18 pm

I don't think Mewtaph was lying about him having a towny modifier, but I have a reason to think he might be scum.
there's no way I'm coughing up any more info until he's claimed though. he's FPSing at the cost of us being able to actually solve the game.

Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:33 pm

If he keeps posting and stalling I'll just vote him.

Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:39 pm

In post 2, Krazy wrote:Non-Normal Roles that CAN be in this game include:
Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer, Vanillaizer, Arsonist, Godfather

straight up, yeah

Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:40 pm

if there's a town redirector/bus driver/nexus/lightning rod etc. they should claim but that's insanely rare

Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:40 pm

i'm pro-massclaim rn but kokichi would be going first

Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:48 pm

In post 2491, Krazy wrote:During the night,
Creature was shot!
He was...

Spoiler:

Spoiler:
Town Even-Night Loud VigilanteWelcome to Starcraft Mafia!

You are Edmund Duke, a
Town Loud Even-Night Vigilante
.

On even-numbered nights, you can attempt to kill a player in the game. Your target will know that you are the one that tried to kill them if you visit them. Your weapon type is bullets and people killed will show up as being shot at daybreak.

Win:
You win when all non-town killing roles have been removed.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77970

Confirm:
Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

During the night,
Irrelephant11 was shot!
He was...

Spoiler:

Spoiler:
Town Two-Shot Paranoid Gun OwnerWelcome to Starcraft Mafia!

You are Rory Swann, a
Town Two-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner
.

You will attempt to kill the first two people who visit you. Note that you are not bulletproof. Your kill type is bullets and kills you make will be revealed as being shot.

You have two bullets. You will be informed when you have used a bullet.

Win:
You win when all non-town killing roles have been removed.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77970

Confirm:
Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

In post 4235, Krazy wrote:
Skitter30 has died during the night! They were Torn Apart by Zerg Forces

Spoiler:

Spoiler:
Vanilla TownWelcome to Starcraft Mafia!

You are a Terran Civilian, a
Vanilla Townie
.

Your only powers are your words and your vote!

Win:
You win when all non-town killing roles have been removed.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77970

Confirm:
Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

it's definitely confirmed that neither of the n1 kills were performed by the zerg faction Varsoon is informed of. but yeah I can't work out why Creature would have been vigged and how Rel died unless like Creature was
redirected to Rel somehow to perform the NK? but I think that's too bastard

Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:51 pm

I'm actually cold on wagoning Keyser right now. it looks like the zerg could be the groupscum faction and if the flavour spec is correct about them not having guns (which seems even more likely) i don't think they'd give a fuck about a gunsmith.
more confused about there only being a single NK atm

Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:59 pm

...........which is why zerg would fakeclaim gunsmith

VOTE: Keyser

@Kokichi, you are still fullclaiming in your next post.

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:07 am

just noting Kokichi is at L-3 (Xtoxm, Shoshin, Mitillos)

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:09 am

wait you think Keyser is SK?
UNVOTE:

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:10 am

wait i'm so confused

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:12 am

VOTE: Keyser
i don't get the keyser kill and i don't get why creature flipped with a shot flavour
i'm probably gonna have to own the fact n1 makes N O sense
this still makes a lot of sense for groupscum.

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:16 am

In post 4289, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4277, the worst wrote:...........which is why zerg would fakeclaim gunsmith
VOTE: Keyser

@Kokichi, you are still fullclaiming in your next post.
I’m confused. Why did you switch your vote from Kokichi to Key?

One thing, is please nobody quickhammer like yesterday (*cough* Duck *cough* or Performer, D1), because if this is indeed LYLO, we can’t afford to mislynch, right?

I'M SORRY OKAY
yeah it's very possible we have exactly as many town as scum. that's the reason i mentioned the L-3 already.

i didn't vote kokichi and won't unless he drags this out further. i voted keyser because the more i thought about nauci's take on the gs claim the more sense it makes; like on one hand groupscum aren't going to nk an investigative who can't catch them but on the other hand it makes more sense for there to be a groupscum gs if only town/TPs have guns than for there to be a town gs who gets...false innos on scum + false guilties on town and can only scumhunt third parties...

this is a better fakeclaim than it is a claim and i'm really not sure a town gs has a place in this setup

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:17 am

In post 4290, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4285, Nauci wrote:
In post 4272, AlmostNancy wrote:So, it now looks like Irrelephant11 was likely SK kill
You know which players in this game would 100% shoot Irrelephant11 N1, especially if they had bp or something?

Keyser ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Didn’t Performer claim bp?

he did - i'm still pretty sure performer's bp claim doesn't come from someone who shot irrelephant though.

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:17 am

In post 4292, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4288, the worst wrote:VOTE: Keyser
i don't get the keyser kill and i don't get why creature flipped with a shot flavour
i'm probably gonna have to own the fact n1 makes N O sense
this still makes a lot of sense for groupscum.
You think this is multiball, then?

Because based on what Varsoon and I posted, Zerg has to be groupscum.

no this is singleball with 1-2 third parties i'm pretty sure. setup posts spew that there is one mafia faction.

i agree, zerg are groupscum and going by kill flavour i'm pretty sure they don't have guns but town killing roles do + maybe TPs

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:31 am

a nexus would kinda make sense but also i'd cry

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:49 am

some shit is going on

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:50 am

asdfghjkl;'

i have some spicy spec

so so so don't want to claim before keyser tho

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:50 am

kokichi*

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:52 am

@Nancy, Nauci said she's informed

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:53 am

i really want to claim

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:54 am

i think my guilty is more jank than i expected though

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:54 am

nauci have i softed too hard or should i wait for kokichi

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:59 am

yeah he said he's the main character or something

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:59 am

(i'm sorry i'm bad at this)

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:11 am

In post 4321, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4317, the worst wrote:yeah he said
he's the main character
or something
Meaning what, exactly? Who would that be?

i can't remember and can't find it rn

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:16 am

i wasn't informed i was witched either night so..i assume that's not a thing?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:35 am

In post 4331, Nauci wrote:TW, would you agree that the Witch wouldn't explain the Creature NK, unless the witch specifically wanted to kill Creature?

I guess the witch would be actively trying to help a scum faction but wouldn't know who they are

I'm not sure if mass claiming is the worst idea at this point; scummiest players first though

Oh, side note:
I was not explicitly told I was roleblocked. I was explicitly told that witching does not prevent roleblocks

i agree with that; it feels like they probably T/S-PR read creature and sent him on a kamikaze night action.
the Rel kill was probably sheer good luck?

+1 on massclaim but not unless kokichi goes first

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:38 am

could the zerg have a factional arsonist NK? this doesn't like, feel right but it's A Thing

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:39 am

oh yeah

In post 4337, Nauci wrote:
In post 4328, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 4275, Nauci wrote:VOTE: Keyser Söze

In post 4277, the worst wrote:...........which is why zerg would fakeclaim gunsmith
VOTE: Keyser

@Kokichi, you are still fullclaiming in your next post.
Can you unvote guys, we resolve Koki first.
No

this

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:40 am

In post 4336, AlmostNancy wrote:You think that Creature involuntarily visited Irrelephant11?

It seems there's a pretty good chance he was directed to Irrelephant11 by the witch, yeah.

Nauci wrote:
In post 4332, the worst wrote:i agree with that; it feels like they probably T/S-PR read creature and sent him on a kamikaze night action.
the Rel kill was probably sheer good luck?
Do you think witching would bypass the even-night restriction?

I've asked Krazy and am waiting for a response. I'm not optimistic that he'd actually tell me, of course.

[kawaii shrug emoji]

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:42 am

eh yeah i think i'm overcomplicating it in my head

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:44 am

depending on Nauci's answer from Krazy. we might just be in 3v1v6 which is a massive weight off my shoulders

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:46 am

i'm fine with that

kokichi should claim whenever unless there's like..things keyser or performer have omitted

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:47 am

In post 4347, AlmostNancy wrote:So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:50 am

i don't have any opinion one way or the other wrt perf being the witch

Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:52 am

i'm not sure why performer's claim doesn't make sense with the witch either?

AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4350, the worst wrote:
In post 4347, AlmostNancy wrote:So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?
can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her
Oh but wouldn’t that be a rolestop then, not a roleblock?

?