Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[AlmostNancy]

Okay, then.
I also think that Nancy's reaction struck me as town, though it really bothers me that I went all-in.

Here's the big issue I have.
If Performer isn't lying about being bulletproof, scum REALLY want his lynch.

But he could also very very easily be bulletproof and belong to one of the non-Terran factions.

So I am conflicted there.
Why go for Performer over anyone else?

Who do you think we should vote for? I’m hesitant on Key, both because I think this could possibly be his towngame, as well as Xtoxm’s point about no claimed executives but I will listen to your case on whomever and seriously consider it, since you are in my top 3 towns.

[Nauci]

Zerg? *confused*. Don’t you mean infested terran? I thought Zergs were monsters who couldn’t do that?

Infested terran are Zerg. The Terran units are infested by Zerg.

[Nauci]

I wish Keyser was around to interact with this game

That's what a lot of my frustrations are comprised of

[the worst]

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@Vars we should chat post-game. Let all the cards fall how they will first, and all that.

Fwiw I think your reconsideration of AlNan just now was a strong play. Via dayplay she feels a lot like town, but I get why your role suggests that she or someone with similar information is probably a wolf.

I just.. don't think scum!Nancy is strongly incentivised to claim that she's informed of a particular flavour at all if she's actually informed of your role's existence? I got the feeling that's what you were saying. Like it feels to me like if someone as scum was aware of that they'd probably clam the fuck up.

[AlmostNancy]

If he's lying about the IC thing, lynch him no matter what he claims. No matter what.
If he is scum, then the info he gets is more valuable than his life--especially considering his claim bought him out of being lynched early anyway.
Does that make sense? If you're going to be lynched D1, why not claim something to survive at least until you get factional info for your team?
That's the rationale I see.

I see what you're saying on Performer. Why do you think scum have entirely avoided buying into my AlmostNancy wagon?

A) Either because town is too smart and B) it isn’t in scum’s best interest rn to have us flip. C) Scum would be exposed post-flip.

I am not easily mislynchable like an NM. That doesn’t mean scum won’t try to kill us at some point. I’d be legit shocked if scum doesn’t kill us before LYLO but who knows? We are essentially a vt now, for all practical purposes. \_0_/

[AlmostNancy]

Since they're for sure killing me so there's no way to set up lynch AlmostNancy into lynching me.

Why the fuck would I vote you here, let alone lynch you? I want us to win this.

Did you miss the part, where I had you as my #2 town?

[AlmostNancy]

Alternatively, scum could just hard-avoid on AlmostNancy if AlmostNancy is scum so
I think they get the most out of townreading AlmostNancy here no matter the situation.

Scum benefits from townreading me? How? Oh because they know I’m flipping town?

[the worst]

For the record, I don't think Varsoon made a mistake outing his information.

I actually agree with this.

[AlmostNancy]

Why do you think scum have entirely avoided buying into my AlmostNancy wagon?

Because
1. Scum were entirely absent when it went down and therefore there was is no interaction to witness.
2. Scum that were present knew Nancy well and didn't want to risk exposing themselves by getting into a conflict with her.

+1

[AlmostNancy]

@Skitter: Absolutely, yes, Zerg are our enemies.
I hate the idea that this setup has both a gunsmith that gets a false positive on two town roles so far and that there may be two informed roles that can be tricked into full-claiming solely based on the soft-claim of the other.
It's far, far too much bullshit put into the setup that's negative rhetorical utility for town.
I hate it.
That's why I want that Nancy lynch
Because if it flips town at least I can feel okay that the setup is just made to pants/embarrass town.
and if it flips scum then I won and I'm the best and I can die happy.

No Varsoon, you don’t want that, unless you’re really that hopelessly bad at reading me.

Why do you want to risk an obvious mislynch?

[the worst]

My thoughts on claims/roles

This is a great post. Not_Mafia and I literally coasted to 6p MyLo as scum in Gamma Emerald's Earthbound mafia because we navigated an early massclaim well and town was in the mood to lynch mechanically.

Neither of us were even that towny

[AlmostNancy]

@Skitter: Absolutely, yes, Zerg are our enemies.
I hate the idea that this setup has both a gunsmith that gets a false positive on two town roles so far and that there may be two informed roles that can be tricked into full-claiming solely based on the soft-claim of the other.
It's far, far too much bullshit put into the setup that's negative rhetorical utility for town.
I hate it.
That's why I want that Nancy lynch
Because if it flips town at least I can feel okay that the setup is just made to pants/embarrass town.
and if it flips scum then I won and I'm the best and I can die happy.

No Varsoon, you don’t want that, unless you’re really that hopelessly bad at reading me.

Why do you want to risk an obvious mislynch?

And you won’t be happy, you’ll be WOAT. You don’t want to be in the same position in this game as I was in Overkill 2. Trust me on that. :/

[AlmostNancy]

I thought nancy's reaction was pretty townie tbh.

If zerg are the only scum faction, and dont have gun flavor, town gunsmith doesnt make much sense to me.

If there's more than one faction, and the other faction does have gun flavor, town or zerg gunsmith makes sense to me

@varsoon, zerg is an anti town faction, right?

I feel pretty good about you being town here, for a lot of reasons.

[the worst]

skitter is town yeah

[the worst]

VOTE: Keyser Söze
my love if you haven't forsake me again please show it quickly..</3

[Xtoxm]

that might be L1, been a while since vc.
i think this could be a really big mistake guys.

[AlmostNancy]

You know, i've always had the opposite feeling. People seem to have this instinct that duplicate roles can't exist. And every conflicting claim means one is scum.
But if someone claims my role, or looks like they are claiming my role, I tend to think "maybe the mod put 2 in". Especially lower utility abilities.
If it's 2 people claiming doctor in a mini, sure. But that's not the situation here.

People really should read DnD Mafia. Math wrongly deathtunneled Kokichi throughout thr entire game, based on mechanics. Math himself got mislynched due to that as well. And Varsoon should be leery of making that mistake. When in doubt between play and mechanics, ALWAYS, always pick play. I’ve lost count on how many games I’ve lost due to mechanics. Very few, due to misjudging play.

[Xtoxm]

well, only if the mechanics are applied poorly.
its true that ive seen games thrown by people apply setup spec very poorly.
but the solution to that isnt "ignore mechanics" its "learn to apply them correctly".

[Varsoon]

Infested Terran = Zerg.
Infested Duran = Zerg.

[AlmostNancy]

I'd normally not think it's a counter or whatever, Xtoxm, but the nature of my role is knowing that someone else has my flavor and knows I get informed. So it makes sense that person would try to tilt me to soft so they could find and kill me before my info drops.

Varsoon, for like the billionth fucking time, It’s not ME. Our flavour claim isn’t fucking Duran. There is at least 1 more characters with a scum counterpart, that we know of. For all we know, there could be more. You know of 1 and I know of 1, that’s 2 so far. Two players are the originals and another two are imposters.

[Varsoon]

You can stop defending, AlmostNancy.
I'm not pushing you.
Other people can decide if you're scum after I'm dead.

Focus that effort/post-space elsewhere.

[AlmostNancy]

Nah, we're not lynching Koki today.
I KNOW he's probably screwing with me for REASONS with THAT CLAIM but
I can't abandon my principles.

Just warning you guys
We're up shit creek.
You better put your best foot forward
Or we lose.

Can you seriously not read me this game? Like how is that even possible? Tell me why scum!me would claim what I did? What possible motivation could I possibly have?

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