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I really think we should use hurt tags to track "vote counts" ourselves
I mean, if you fake it, you better have a freaking good reason post flip so thats easily dealt with and i think tracking things like "I find such and such and such town" will be very tricky.
otherwise the emperor dudes may as well just lol hammer ?-
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imo this is part of VCA - VCA isnt just the final VCIn post 234, BrightEyedFish wrote:scum to start a counterwagon if a potential scum
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Seems fairIn post 239, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I get that, but I think keeping the votes hidden makes it harder for scum. If you want to post who you are voting for go ahead but just be careful because scum could be a Day Representative and end the day early if they see a wagon building on town.In post 238, profii wrote:
imo this is part of VCA - VCA isnt just the final VCIn post 234, BrightEyedFish wrote:scum to start a counterwagon if a potential scum
is the leading wagon.
Speaking of Day Representatives, anyone have any thoughts on how they are chosen yet?
I think the joining thread said people would be involved in stuff like that in some kind of fair way to get everyone involved but idk if this emporer thing is included in that haha-
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if we arent going to declare votes, maybe we should do something like everyone checks in to say they are voting someone who they are satisfied with THEN we let the emporers now at which point plurality does it's thang
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lol i think that can count as the almost 50 hydra slip of the dayIn post 293, Gamma Emerald wrote:
that’s a face lolIn post 253, Almost Chara wrote:
Why did you use a dot/fullstop rather than a question mark here?In post 180, profii wrote:Are we really debating the merits of using the word talk/type here >.<-
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how do you see the game panning out and town getting their hands on precious info? I take the point on spirit of the game but any info is good info i thinkIn post 297, Xtoxm wrote:Literally doing our own vcs and wagoning in the normal way though, isn't something I'm interested in here.-
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This thread says the people "JUST" have to vote to end the day. I assume they don't know who we are all voting for
i.e. they can't say like, "between the 4 of us we can see profii is the leading wagon rn and he would be a good lynch so lets end the day"
some people are assuming that Alonzo VC was legit and I don't know if that's because they weren't on it so don't know any better or are they just playing along with random hypothetical scenarios
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a50 was showing his ageIn post 577, Gamma Emerald wrote:
ok mind explaining what you meant by thisIn post 295, profii wrote:
lol i think that can count as the almost 50 hydra slip of the dayIn post 293, Gamma Emerald wrote:
that’s a face lolIn post 253, Almost Chara wrote:
Why did you use a dot/fullstop rather than a question mark here?In post 180, profii wrote:Are we really debating the merits of using the word talk/type here >.<-
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did you get anywhere with this? I don't know how we are classifying salty/sassy - ime I find Nero just turns it up a notch more than usual as scum so idk that was where my scum read came fromIn post 479, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah what I thought was salt from town!Nero was just sass
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ok so this game is confusing the heck out of me with no idea on where the VCs are up to - so my approach here is to read ISOs in most posts first order, as it will get easier as the task goes on
A summary sentence on everyone will be all for now:
Drewva - Never seen either players scum game but no alarm bells here
Elsa - think I saw a town slip so cool.
RCEnigma - this iso is a bit of a slow burner. interesting, maybe looking to see if town is going to mislynch itself kind of vibe
Gamma - I think he is ok but I'm not a great gamma reader tbh
Cheeky Dancer - I thought the stuff about the fake mason claim was genuine concern so I'll town that
Alonzo - I dunno, not a lot of meat on the bone so I'll reserve judgement for now as I don't know how to sort Alonzo well yet.
Ramicus - I don't like this slot, couple of posts I looked at that made me go 'wait wtf' so I'll probably vote here if nothing else pops up
Almost Chara - I think town, but more on the Almost part of the read as I've never played with Chara before.
Nero - not a read that's like omg this is scum we must lynch now, still a scum read, but idk, not really convincing me of town
nev and max - seems to be getting more stick than they merit I think?
Karmeleon - the towniest read so far I think
The Last Knight - not a fan of this slot, seems like trying to town
McQueen - I'm not even going to ISO this again, I was already town reading him pretty hard before I undertook this task.
Thanos - spotted a town slip
BEF - the grammar argument seems like a town thing to get involved in... but it is bef
Xtoxm - whilst acknowledging I am not a high content dude in this game, I think we are entering into the 'post more please' section of analysis. This slot is the first one, albeit minor scum ping here.
Something_smart - I kinda liked the self vote in the context of it's not actually a vote. Although SS said he didn't do it for that reason, I still lol'd - acknowledging he said he is busy, sympathy as I am too
Dave - slight town lean but early days.
ultimate liars - I definitely can't read Koki and what is Tsumigi
Both Emporers, theta - post more
I think that's your lot - If I missed anyone I blame the alt slippers :p
reflecting back on that - voting TLK-
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Ta & ta!In post 1008, profii wrote:If we form a majority lynch in advance of end of day vote does it take over?
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i thought if we hit deadline then most votes = lynchIn post 1064, DrewVa wrote:
We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.In post 1051, Thanos wrote:When did we decide to vote public?
or if the reps vote to end day, same again, most votes goes
we dont have to form a majority i dont think so someone basically is going for sure-
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Absolutley - just checking you knew this game is “plurality” which seems to be the name for what we are talking aboutIn post 1072, DrewVa wrote:
But isn’t it better to acheive a town consensus? Also, it the lynch doesn’t logically add up, we know someone lied about their vote.In post 1067, profii wrote:
i thought if we hit deadline then most votes = lynchIn post 1064, DrewVa wrote:
We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.In post 1051, Thanos wrote:When did we decide to vote public?
or if the reps vote to end day, same again, most votes goes
we dont have to form a majority i dont think so someone basically is going for sure-
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I think you’re supposed to use this excuse AFTER you said you were voting X and the flip revealed you to be on player YIn post 1282, Something_Smart wrote:TLK. I have a question. I made that self-vote very early on as self-admittedly half a joke egopost and the other half a reaction test. I also said that I understand that's not how real votes were placed. When you put your votecounts together, why did you not even ask if I had actually voted myself in my confessional before writing my vote there?-
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I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yetiIn post 1401, Thanos wrote:Can we have a list of lurkers? I personally would rather just lynch them, unless they start posting. It's likely that active posters easily attract votes.
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It’s like when you say “I’m voting you to pressure you into doing something” - by saying that it loses its effectIn post 1422, Thanos wrote:
Indeed, but there's also a slight difference in that we can't pressure a slot with our vote since we don't have a public vote -- so it's just reduced to threats.In post 1421, RCEnigma wrote:Not game specific, this is the case in any mafia game. It's also right around the corner from Xmas and isn't the place I would expect a scumhunt should originate.
What's your read on Ultimate Liars? We have a scumlean there.
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I believe by saying “I’m gonna plump for a lurker” means if you try and threaten someone - again you lose the effect
Also by going for lurkers, particularly at Xmas where there is a few scum can “randomly” pick “this one” imo-
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How much have you played together because it’s feally bugging me haIn post 1431, DrewVa wrote:
Aiuro is just naturly scummy.In post 1397, RCEnigma wrote:Don't know if confessionals are quotable but I've been using mine to gather my thoughts and the lurkers was one of them. The chance scum is in there is pretty good but being so close to the holidays it's not going to be my day 1 push. After the holidays is another story. Ramcius is leaning town, I don't know how aggressive he is as scum though. Thanos is on the scummy side of null.-
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Yeah Xmas is an exceptional timeIn post 1440, Something_Smart wrote:
Not necessarily, often it's obvious what you're doing anyway, but threats on a lurker are still threats and might scare them into contributing more.In post 1424, profii wrote:It’s like when you say “I’m voting you to pressure you into doing something” - by saying that it loses its effect
I believe by saying “I’m gonna plump for a lurker” means if you try and threaten someone - again you lose the effect
I say might because especially with the holidays coming a lot of lurkers aren't going to be lurking for game-related reasons.
I think there’s a subtle way of doing it I guess - to be fair I’m not very good at it
I think I’d like to see the day finish before Xmas , we get to see some votes and such, those who like to read up get a nice bit of time to do so and come back to us with some analysis based on something a little more concrete than we have now
But I’ve no idea if that’s realistic-
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how do we move on from that though?
half the town are for vote counting and half arent - so lets the vote counters are pushing scum, the team mates are surely just going to be like "think ill not say" rather than openly push a counter in the normal fashion.
it's basically impossible to know whats going on. I think I'm going to do what someone mentioned earlier and hunt within the group of people that dont want to openly discuss their vote.-
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Thats the point - we are really stuck on day 1 if people don’t participate in a home made vote countIn post 1486, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I think that once we enter D2 we should have a good start for information after the D1 flips and NK. If the votes be hidden gets us into trouble then we can try to push people to be more transparent with their votes.In post 1464, profii wrote:how do we move on from that though?
half the town are for vote counting and half arent - so lets the vote counters are pushing scum, the team mates are surely just going to be like "think ill not say" rather than openly push a counter in the normal fashion.
it's basically impossible to know whats going on. I think I'm going to do what someone mentioned earlier and hunt within the group of people that dont want to openly discuss their vote.-
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Same - I can easily answer the pointsIn post 1484, mcqueen wrote:
As of now, this lands RCE on my town list. Not exactly sure why multiple people keep bringing him up as someone they find scummy. I will do an ISO later, though, so stay tuned for thatIn post 833, RCEnigma wrote:
Ahh yes I do. Profii is a more vocal/involved player as town in my opinion. He's been present sure but his early game consisted of recommending ways to bring a votecount in that just seemed of to me for a few reasons:In post 820, Alonzo wrote:You said this game, implying you have previous with profii, and some sort of metric on how you form a read on him.
How did you reach scum! Profii?
1.) This setup disadvantages town due to the lack of votecount but I would argue it disadvantages Scum even more which leads to point #
2.) A votecount would be nice to have but not necessary. Town can likely coordinate without it. With it present it makes it easier for scum to spread their votes and town blend or throw of votecounts. Which is unfortunate because I think Profii is strong at VCA but not a part of my scum read. Overall I think scum can't afford to look too coordinated or they risk sticking out and that kind of weakens their sway on lynches.
I also don't buy Nero's demeanor being a surprise to Profii and read it as a soft defense of myself or Cheeky, that in itself is minor. But the way Profii came back to that specifically rubs me wrong. I don't get why he would be hung up on it when he's generally a player with a broader sense of the game and the slots around him.
Thank you for asking about my read Alonzo.
I overgamed - some are finishing so I’ll appear more and more
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This answers what I wanted to know -In post 1481, mcqueen wrote:
Don't understand this post (maybe it's been addressed)In post 795, profii wrote:Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?
Our only communication as Day reps together is here. We don't get our own private thread or anything
If you had a PT then I was gonna be like - TDK is getting the main pressure so is anyone withholding day end for any random reason which might suggest they’re helping him
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I missed this - there was something that bothered me about S_S but I can’t remember what it was hahaIn post 1413, Thanos wrote:
Has anyone struck you as particularly scummy so far?In post 1410, profii wrote:I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti
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It was the thing gamma quoted and said we were town binned or something for - imo he looked like he was setting up a disclaimer for a mislynch later.... I think
There was a couple of other bits in my read list but that was the most offensive one I think
As soon as I voted TDK someone reminded us he was new and in fairness new players always come over more scummy than they really are do applying benefit of doubt for a bit-
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Yeah that’s outrageous hahaIn post 1506, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Fucking ewIn post 1378, Xtoxm wrote:You know, I'm quite enjoying this anonymous mechanic. I'm able to vote who I want without getting any pushback from them. It's liberating.-
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doubt itIn post 1517, Thanos wrote:
Yeah auro went for a bit of a stretch there. It definitely isn't cute.In post 1513, DrewVa wrote:
I really dislike this post.In post 1495, Thanos wrote:
That's the game thoughIn post 1446, DrewVa wrote:And you assuming we’re being scummy, rather than just wrong.
Also, you could be seen as being possibly lamist or tryharding?LAMEESist.
Nah, it's cute, and harmless.At any rate, if you don’t get your partner to stop voting to “end the day”, I’m seriously considering policy lynching you, and this is coming from someone who is opposed to them on principle.
Lamees can’t vote for that, so please make her stop. It’s hella annoying.
You keep making more like these and I may vote you.
But can anyone else see drewva is obv scum? Or is it just me.
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I’d lynch him still tbhIn post 1878, DrewVa wrote:In post 1874, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why not lynch Nero lolIn post 1818, Ramcius wrote:Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations
so why first one is better than second?
If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition
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Just saw this post quoted by someone elseIn post 1033, Ramcius wrote:Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?
I specifically said I won’t lynch you today
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Anyone who doesn’t scum read anyone bugs me - that was my problem with TDK but new-ness can skew thatIn post 1890, DrewVa wrote:
Btw, what specifically makes SS seem scummy to you?In post 1885, profii wrote:In fact I’m gonna put my vote back on Mero
I think I confused new with scum on TDK
Something_Smart is in the running too
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Ah - someone quoted it more recently which made me go hang on that’s not up to date!In post 1896, Ramcius wrote:
I know, but that post you quoted was from back thenIn post 1892, profii wrote:I changed my mind since then if you’re referring to my read list-
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I’m a wee bit behind but I’ll vote SSIn post 2106, RCEnigma wrote:Can we get a consensus on if we are lynching SS before we end the day? Pls ty. I've only skimmed the past 5 pages or so but no one's talking about the important thing for day one.
Think the hammers should be one of the emperors, ramcius, thanos, or like....theta. *don't think ramcius is scum tbh but that's probably one of the d1 kills that would give the most information.
Elsa shoot Profii and I'll bring a cake for the queen.
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{Nero / S_S }In post 2108, Elsa Jay wrote:Hey TLK, do me a solid and list everyone's preferred vigi shot instead of a VC count next.
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You just linked 2 games. He has a pretty big wiki, I’ll just go link 2 scum ones shall I?In post 2115, DrewVa wrote:
Nero is town. Did you even bother to click on those links I posted? Or are you just confibiased in your read on him?In post 2110, profii wrote:
{Nero / S_S }In post 2108, Elsa Jay wrote:Hey TLK, do me a solid and list everyone's preferred vigi shot instead of a VC count next.
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Give me a summary of the leading wagons and I’ll go look into itIn post 2211, DrewVa wrote:It would be really helpful to know who is voting, Flippy, Profil and Cheeky. But Nero is a terrible vote and he seems locked into that vote and ignoring other reads on that slot.
I am not really engaged in this game without and real VCs tbh
I mean people seem to be saying we will vote TDK to give a town influenced kill but that idea sounds silly to me
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In post 2213, RCEnigma wrote:Not a fan of CD's later posts but I feel more confident on Profii being scum.-
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I have no idea what’s going on
With plurality in effect it seems there may be a risk of my gettingnlynched so I’ll claim
I can modify 1 person each night with these 3 thingys and give them +1 shot
(Ascetic, Loyal, Loud)
So like 3 nights work if that makes sense
I don’t seem all that useful so might as well lynch
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I can do them whenever I want but only once
Ascetic means all night actions bar killing fail - so reflexive roleblocker ish
Loyal means only works on same alignment so if we had a fruit vendor I could make them loyal and they basically go round inno’ing people
Loud means the recepient gets a PM saying “so and so visited you last night “ - not sure if you get told - so and so jailkept you or just so and so did something
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