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I'm caught up. Funny that I asked Shoshin the worst to sign their posts when that's what the discussion was all about.
About the discussion: I was on Varsoon's side for a while but then agreed that STW's argument is fair. If they want to play like that, well then, we'll have to take them as a new player itself. I believe them talking that before the game started... But that gives me my usual tinfoil hat: maybe the whole conversation in thread was staged too, in order to distance from their partner, Varsoon :O my face right now is my avatar.
But my boring ass brain tells me Varsoon is town and that STW hasn't done anything to be scumread. They actually did something pretty townie, but more on that later.
Now, Varsoon gets a free pass 'cause the reasoning behind his vote on STW's wagon was pretty solid, but there are other players whose justifications are lame lame lame. I'm going to focus first on URAP2, 'cause his vote was bad, BUT his unvote was worse! First off, his rvs vote became a real vote because of the signing thing, and tells Varsoon that he "doesn't know" about his word choice argument, and then says "of course you could also be right". Ironic, that's a weird word choice. Fencesitting at it's finest.
Now about the unvote: when the wagon was going full bananas, he choose to unvote and joins STW by voting Taly, again with "Varsoon could be right". This unvote was scummy as fuck y'all, it's obvious that scum felt pressure being in a full speed choo choo early wagon 'cause the wagon would get scrutinized after and hey you don't want to be part of that no matter how it ends, especially when the reasoning behind your vote is baaaad compared to the others (this goes to Alchemist too!). So in case STW is scum, URAP2's unvote means "oh shit this got way too dangerous", and if STW is town, then URAP2's unvote means "oh shit this got way too dangerous". Perfect.
After that, URAP2 goes for the poor pin, our beloved friend, who didn't have the time to play 'cause he's still getting better from surgery and forgot that he was playing mafia. Oh poor poor pin, I hope he feels better. But I digress. URAP2's move is again sketchy, 'cause I assume his vote was not because he's scumreading me, but for pressure so I get here and post. Basically, fencesitting once again: "I'm going to focus on the player who's not playing instead of playing with the rest".
And now as promised, the townie thing that STW did, which I assume it was the worst: first off, voted URAP2, so I think they realized the same that I did. Secondly, this quote: "What do you think of pintu's post so far? I'd be interested to hear. I had a conversation with the voice in my head about it earlier.", coming from the worst, directed to URAP2. My guess is that the duck was not trying to sort me, but sort URAP2 instead, making URAP2 believe he was trying to sort me. That came pretty good if I may say, since URAP2's reply was, once again, sketchy, with the LAMIST argument that seems to be fabricated; I saw STW at L-2 and my vote was an rvs vote, so I unvoted. Saying "I'm willing to believe he's disengaged, although his rvs post did seem excited to play" is, then again, fabricating some kind of stance to make his vote on me valid, instead of just saying "nah dawg I got nothing on him I just want to put some pressure on the slot", which would be at least understandable.
So I got Varsoon and STW as town, URAP2 as scum, I'm liking Tibor and Lumia's post so far, Nancy is being different than the last game I played with her but Ari is being townie, I like the way Taly posts, aaaand I think that's it. Oh and Alchemist's vote on STW was bad too.
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Well this is exactly what I thought so good to know you're self aware of it. That could be consistent with your alignment.In post 394, Varsoon wrote:I was playing Overkill II very protective of myself, whereas I don't think I've got much to fear in this game.
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That would be Pin. He send his regards.In post 417, Shoshin the worst wrote:Which head is the worst in love with?
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What does my townread on STW has anything to do with that?In post 431, u r a person 2 wrote:@pintu You are town reading TW here, and in 1905 you watched me hold out and not claim my cop role when at effectively L-1 with the IC telling me to claim
So why do you think I would be the first to crack on a quick town wagon?
And I don't understand what you're implying, or at least if it is what I think it is, I don't get what's your point. Are you implying that in 1905 you proved that you act efficiently under pressure and that means you would not unvote here because of that? 'Cause 1. there's a big difference being under pressure explicitly (an L-1 situation) vs pressure that only you can recognize, and 2. being under pressure as town is different from being under pressure as scum.
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About your long post about me:
- I think you're trying to depict me as crazy ol' Jenkins in order to discredit my scumread on you. You basically talked about how you read me instead of defending yourself about your scummy progression.
- I like Tibor and Lumia, I know pretty well both of them and I usually read them correctly. I think they're town. Gonna ask Pin what he thinks but I'm pretty sure he'll say town too.
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Just got back into the game and saw this, what do you mean?In post 485, Michael Scott wrote:Also what's up with solo players signing their posts but hydras refusing to.
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r/woosh.In post 490, Michael Scott wrote:
Taly and Varsoon signing their posts redundantly, while the STW hydra refuses to do so.In post 488, pinturicchio wrote:Just got back into the game and saw this, what do you mean?
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I'm pocketed without the need of you doing anything <3In post 577, Shoshin the worst wrote:I could give it a go with pintu but I'm not sure it'd get me anywhere.
@Varsoon, I have a towntell on the duck, on the same line of your "stretch your minds" of Shoshin. I've seen the duck using the "holistical reads" as town before and can't recall him doing it as scum.
By the way @duck, why scumreading us? Felt like it came out of nowhere.
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Aaaah so that's why is one of us in your books? Ok that makes sense, I couldn't get it. Yeah it was rhetoric-heavy but it was content-heavy too, I think.In post 593, Shoshin the worst wrote:
We originally had you as maybe-town for a couple of reasons. Your catchup felt rhetoric-heavy, and your conversation with URAP2 didn't feel natural (unsure on who's part, or whether both, yet). If you are town I'm sure we'll see it.In post 591, pinturicchio wrote:
I'm pocketed without the need of you doing anything <3In post 577, Shoshin the worst wrote:I could give it a go with pintu but I'm not sure it'd get me anywhere.
@Varsoon, I have a towntell on the duck, on the same line of your "stretch your minds" of Shoshin. I've seen the duck using the "holistical reads" as town before and can't recall him doing it as scum.
By the way @duck, why scumreading us? Felt like it came out of nowhere.
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I addresed in my catchup that you asked urap2 about me not to get a read on me, but rather sort urap2 better; was I right or wrong? Were you trying to sort me before I caught up?
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I'm sorry, aren't you the same Varsoon that fakeclaimed a dayvig on profii and made him softclaim his cop role? (and I'm being generous by saying softclaim 'cause it was haaaaard as rock) You know the phrase "cry wolf"?In post 598, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Point out where I said anything about no more handing out townreads and I'll show you how the context is absolutely different. Stay sore.
@AlmostChara: If the thread isn't locked by the time I get home, we can jam.
I don't know why anyone's doubtcastin' the vig, since it should town-confirm me
And I get the added bonus of blowing down scum-Shoshin
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The triple vote shenanigans... I can't say much but I assume it was just on the tip of your tongue?
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Ooooooh Soon arrived sooner than later!In post 632, Varsoon wrote:You said all this same shit last game, too, STW.
"I don't think Varsoon is game-throwingly bad."
Except you do
Because you kept me around till endgame
Asshole.
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I just read everything and just wanted to say that I don't think that Varsoon crossed any line compared to other games I've read of him, and that the discussion got heated because of reads, not on a personal level. You guys should focus on other players maybe? Like Varsoon, who are STW's partners? 'Cause there are two more.
I'm doing the same, I focused way too much on URAP2 and that stagnated my other reads and that's suboptimal.
2.20 here so coming back tomorrow with some fresh juice. Sorry for the inconvenience, Turicchio wanted to play Smash and I can't say no to that.
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It makes me feel better to see that everyone thinks this is hard 'cause Almost50 called me out for not having more scumreads and I felt it and I wanted to make more effort looking for something else but I'm: 1. Really tired all the time because of surgery and 2. A little burned out with mafia right now. I suscribed to this game 'cause I saw a lot of lovable players and thought that would make this game easier since I have a good record on reading people I have already played before. Not because of meta, but because of mood and playstyles.
That being said, I did my homework and I'm pretty much convinced that Tibor and Lumia are town; STW are town; Mephistophanes are town; Varsoon is town. I'm townreading both heads of Tibor and Lumia and Meph, and I have a solid read on the worst too.
URAP2 has townied it up a lot since my first pushing attempt, and I'm not as convinced as I was before; however, I still see some inconsistencies and I can't let go the things I pointed out before about him.
Both Proflavor and Almost Chara are making me paranoid; that being said, the times I've gotten paranoia because of profii he was town, and A50 ALWAYS makes me paranoid. Profii, is there any option of getting more of Flavor? Have he at least said something in your Hydra PT?-
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That's my thought exactly, Flavor has that confidence that can rekt this shit up, and would help me sorting you too. As I said, you always give me the heebie-jeebies since your first game ever, I can't recall the name but it was a Newbie where you claimed doctor iirc and survided until LyLo and I was so fucking sure you were the remaining scum. From there to Overkill II there hasn't been a game I have read you correctly but I don't have an N big enough to have statistical significance. Also of course I agree with myself lol.
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Dude I want to like you, stop doing scummy shit
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I saw that we were playing with Ari and thought "hey this guy modded my first game ever!" and realized I was thinking of Assemblerotws in my defense, I was thinking "I know this guy" 'cause I saw his name a lot before, but it was because he was the Micro Listmod.In post 896, ProFlavor wrote: haha i just checked my wiki - thats the game where scioness sajj was scum - when we started this game i confused scioness with shoshin and thought they were the same person - so i posted a load of stuff in the hydra pt like 'ok i played with scum before here are some meta tells' but then was like oh shit this is different people
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By a Venture Capitalist?
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Thanks URAP2, very cool.In post 911, u r a person 2 wrote:we've devolved into vapid conversation
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So in other words, Nico can stay if he posts some.... Valuable Content????In post 912, Krazy wrote:NicoRobin is being replaced. Nico can remain in the game if they post game-advancing content before a replacement is found. (Last prodge does not adhere to rule for prodges, which must include some game advancing content)
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You're a vehement chap indeed. I'll try to follow your pace then.
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I'm really sorry guys, I don't want to play this game at this moment. Yesterday I did excercise for the first time after surgery and it was good but I went to sleep early since I have no energy at all (I'm still on a restricted diet because of surgery), and before falling asleep I was like "fuck I haven't read the thread" and gave me anxiety 'cause I feel like this is a commitment that I'm not honouring... I hate when I'm fully committed to something and there's someone who's not, and right now I'm doing that.
I had a rough week. I'll try to wash it away and come back, but if I'm not able to do so, I'll have to replace out. You don't deserve this.-
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Quick update: I'm feeling better. I had a doctor appointment in the morning and told me that what I'm feeling is pretty common and that was a relief. I have a kinesiologist appointment in an hour or so. I'll be back to slam dunk this mother fucker. There's a lot of pages to read tho, can I get an update on the game status? I'll try to read everything but because of the deadline I can't promise that.
Thanks to everyone concerned about my health; I didn't know I could V/LA because of it and knowing that was nice in order to keep playing.-
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Just take care of yourself. Your health > Mafia.[/quote]In post 1676, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Thank you Nancy I usually demand myself too much and that's what happened here: I don't recognize that until I get burned out I'm ok now, so I'll do my best.-
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There's still a wagon on STW? Is someone else other than Varsoon hard pushing that wagon?In post 1675, Michael Scott wrote:@Pint
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>Two major wagons; one on STW and one on Mewtaph
>Lots of exchanges in the previous few pages where I believe the cases on STW at least are bad
>Some discussion on lynching Kokichi Oma instead; most believe it's a bad lynch cause "low info" (meh)
You said you townread STW, what's your read on Mewtaph?
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Last time I checked Mew had done nothing so I don't have a read on him, but if the wagon started because of him doing nothing then Mew is probably town pushed by scum trying to get an easy mislynch. I'll check that progression. Thank you Jim.-
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Love you for using that phrase.In post 1740, Varsoon wrote:Also, I don't really know that a 'rudeness tell' holds weight.
correlation is not causation
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Pretty great actually, thanks for asking!
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I hope I would have read this like three days ago, what a wholesome post omg. I don't remember feeling pressured by you, A50, it is a personality trait of mine putting pressure on myself, so no one here was guilty of how I felt this days. Thank you man, this is really a great way to start reading the thread.In post 931, Almost Chara wrote:@pintu: Game aside, you know I love you like a brother, right? It was never my intention to add pressure on you IRL. If that happened accidentally, then I sincerely apologize.
Back to the game: I didn't call you out "for not having SRs" per se. That would be over-simplifying it. I called you out because your posts are mostly hollow and you have no reads.
If you had given me some TOWN reads with some sort of reasoning I would not have been too suspicious (and you did now in #889, so I think I'm feeling a bit better about you).
The thing is you're one of the most underestimated skillful players I know of. People don' pay much attention to you whenI know for a factyou are most capable as either alignment, so when people pass you by and dismiss you just because you appear to be lurking or "innocently" being low effort I have to be a bit wary.
Anyway, top 3 lynch candidates for me are: Nico/Koki/Mewtaph. You know Chara has a weak town lean still on Nico (I've posted something in the PT that may or may not change their mind), and Mewtaph is actually a true null (which is a bit scummy because he usually does stuff, and I have been at the receiving end of his fury as TvT before).
So, Koki is a fine vote by me for now.
Oh, and also much respect to UR2 for redeeming himself in my eyes. I would be first to acknowledge I'm stubborn and it's hard to change my mind on someone I SR early on (unless there was a mechanical reason to change that read), so UR2 managing to do just that without a mechanical reason is impressive.
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Your explanation of why you were (are?) suspicious of me is flawless: I usually try to be understimated when I'm scum indeed, so your suspect is justified 100%. Sadly, my lurking was mostly because of an IRL situation, so this is not the case. Town points for you for a really meaningful read on me when nobody else did.
About URAP2, I remember thinking he was redeeming himself too, and that Taly called me out for not going full bananas on the slot? I'll have to check that, but it felt weird. Should town!me have to be tunneled 'till the end of times on URAP2? Should I not reevaluate my reads?-
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Not feeling paranoid about A50 it's nearly impossible for me, 'cause I love his playstyle and that makes me have bad reads on him. That being said, I reread Jungle Republic where I was mafia and he was a Wolf and I realized I do know how to read him, since he was my most solid wolfread. Paranoia is no longer the best definition on that slot. I think they're town.In post 943, Taly wrote:@Pint
ISOing you, there's two distinctions in our reads.
Why are you paranoid aboutAlmost Chara?
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In post 948, Taly wrote: Everyone should actively engage with the people they've least engaged with.
That makes content less predictable and runs the game more smoothly without pages of the same shit going on.I don't like this progression. First post I agree, but sounds like someone trying to be townread because of stating the obvious. Second and third post are ???; he wants to "actively engage" with Alchemist by voting him and saying "I want you to reply this"? I don't know if that qualifies as actively engaging.
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I think I came back from my 3-4 month hiatus much more fluffy than I was back then when we used to play together. That being said, I was pretty fluffly in Jungle Republic, and you where there. I was scum in that game, so maybe you assimilate fluffly!Pin to scum!Pin?In post 980, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since Gamma didn't do this.
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I don't remember this many fluff posts coming from him before.
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I don't agree. Taly's vote, followed by the "actively engaging" thingy is sketchy. I don't agree with Mewtaph's reasoning, but coming to the thread with his first read being on you as a scumread when everyone else was townreading you? I don't see the scum rationale from that. Your vote on him seemed OMGUSy to me.In post 998, Alchemist21 wrote:Taly’s vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get a response from me. Mewtaph’s reason for keeping his was sketchy.-
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Oh, this, basically.In post 1000, Shoshin the worst wrote:
This post struck me as more pockety towards Mewtaph, actually. But yeah Mewtaph's reasoning is a trainwreck. I have no read on if it's t/s or s/s but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these two flips red.In post 977, Taly wrote:
Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.In post 965, Mewtaph wrote: Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.
Are there any posts you want to have addressed in particular?
VOTE: Alchemist21
I wantAlchemistto reply to 952
I don't understand how you were meant to reply to 952. lol.-
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pinturicchio Mafia Scum
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- Location: Chile
Again, this feels like a "townread me" post.In post 1019, Taly wrote: i got people talking about different things since the last 2 pages-
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pinturicchio Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 3156
- Joined: February 3, 2018
- Location: Chile
Ok, this makes more sense on how Taly's voting works, but it's weird that he choses me when I already stated in the thread that I was having problems with the game because of IRL things. There were another players who he said he wanted to sort that could've been a better push than me because I wouldn't have a chance to help him sort me.In post 1025, Taly wrote:UNVOTE:
A bit more confident inAlchemist-town, not lynching this.
I'd likeMewto do something about their"one vote/scumread+no push in the game at all"thing they have going for their all-of-5-posts.
VOTE: pinturicchio
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