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Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all
. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.In post 22, Ankamius wrote:Okay
I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game
And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy
So keep that in mind-
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While itIn post 41, the worst wrote:Ohhh find 3 t/t pairings we're communally confident on then we can just nuke the others and either win or find the deepwolf/ves?isthat simple on paper, it's likely the 3 pairings we choose won't be the ones at end game. Due to a ton of factors.
I can't wait for fire and the worst to be one of the last pairings alive.In post 46, Firebringer wrote:In post 37, the worst wrote:
SEXISTIn post 34, Firebringer wrote:
I DIDNT EXPECT FAKEGOD TO CHANGE THE SETUP!In post 28, Ankamius wrote:Read the setup fire
ALSO WOULDNT IT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THE GENTLEMEN TO HAVE THE COIN!?
I'll walk out to rid these good people of your bigotryNOT IF I LEAVE YOU FIRST YOU CLASSY LADY!-
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Yeah a lot of this. Along with the fact paranoia in reads happen etc etc. Coming up with 3 lock town pairs along with the townwork it would require for it to truly work is most likely not gonna work. We'd also be basing our game on 1 day phase.In post 53, Krazy wrote:Fundamentally we need 4 people that are absolutely locktown, because scum will kill one of our top two pairings. Then we need a pairing that will accept that the top 2 pairing truly is locktown so that one of them will reliably lynch themselves in 4-way. If we can do that we should win.
Also this setup got rid of the Innocent Child, and scum were already kind of doing OK in the dances, so I want to say this game is probably already 55% scumfavored to 45% townfavored so if it's a loss it's all G
I've townread and scumread this post a few times. Mostly because it's a very captain obvious post and I can't tell how I wanna read it. I'm leaning on just wondering if anyone else finds it good/weird. Along with leaving it aloneIn post 99, Adelbert Steiner wrote:I have not played this before, but I believe that we should probably come together and decide who is the scummiest gentleman first, that gentleman will be eliminated by not having a dance partner. After that, I am going to be learning whilst doing.
So far, my only read is Slaxx as a townlean.
Was this post serious or a joke. I can't tell with you the worstIn post 103, the worst wrote:scumreading me for ???reasons??? and then backing it up because I did something you'd do as scum is baffling. why did you guess Slaxx 2as my townread in the first place?
Can you give more detail on this? Links would be niceIn post 112, Ankamius wrote:
Why would you deathtunnel me this early in the game? That's a bizarre statement from you with our most recent history of your earliest reads on me being wrong.In post 89, the worst wrote:N0 cop obviously
I'm not townreading you I was just going to ask you to please keep posting so I don't deathtunnel you-
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Mostly because I think you wanted to be more appealing to the gentlemen so you get your pick at your partner. I can see the logic in town you having the eight coins and wanting to be careful on who you want as a partner. What I think is the weird part is I see no reason for town you to say that so early because people are obviously going to read you differently now that you've said you have 8 coins. Scum you wouldn't mind that though. So main motivation was to help your partner choice, along with I barely see any reason why you claim that early.In post 375, Ankamius wrote:
I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coinsIn post 373, Celica wrote:Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all
. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.In post 22, Ankamius wrote:Okay
I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game
And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy
So keep that in mind-
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I wouldn't say I'mIn post 377, Krazy wrote:Celica what would you say your scumrange is?badat scum, but I wouldn't say I'm amazing either. Why?
Thanks I'll look at heroes later!In post 378, Ankamius wrote:
The two I'm referring toIn post 376, Celica wrote:
Can you give more detail on this? Links would be niceIn post 112, Ankamius wrote:Why would you deathtunnel me this early in the game? That's a bizarre statement from you with our most recent history of your earliest reads on me being wrong.
Heroes Wanted -> Replaced into a town slot, the worst was paranoia scumreading me for a good chunk of my time in the game
the second one I'm referring to is a much more recent game offsite where I rolled scum and he was townreading me until he got lynched-
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I want to call Ade town for this post. I was hardscumreading it at first and then I thought. 'Does scum Ade look at this and post it?' I leaned no because it's just so bad. Given he's an alt he probably has enough mafia experience. If he was a newbie I would sr that still, but here? NaIn post 134, Adelbert Steiner wrote:
How would this be s/s, though?In post 132, the worst wrote:the only time I've seen you be this lolconfident about a read was an s/s so you're heavily pinging me with this shit
Are you claiming scum right now Sir Goose?
I found the instant dance up towny not scummy. Mostly because it would obviously bring attention to both the players in question. I don't see why scum want to do that right away. It felt like an IDGAF town move.In post 158, Allomancer wrote:Oh noes firebringer stole the girl I was gonna ask to dance. That's an instant scumread.
In all seriousness though, FoS at FB and TW for pairing up so quickly. Someone isn't going to get to dance, and we have to strategize about who it should be. Now FB and TW live anyway, even if we suspect them.
Why do I die here?In post 79, Krazy wrote:1: mcqueen - Nancy Drew 39
2: Slaxx -- Ankamius
3: Pink ball -- Celica
4: Adelbert Steiner -- jibril
5: Krazy -- Dunnstral
6: Firebringer -- the worst
7: Reinhardt -- Alisae
8: PvtUrist -- Clemency
predance -- allomancer
Here we go guys I solved the game now we can spend the rest of this thread shitpostingWhat makes you say this
I wonder what that was mostly for. Not really like in a mafia sense, but in a gamemaker sense that I wanna know why FG did this in the first place. However this is a post game conversation or for my partner PT that I can rant in...if people want to partner with me that is.In post 178, Dunnstral wrote:I propose the ladies keep their gold count a secret
No innocent child in this version of the setup? Interesting-
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I haven't watched a lot of anime recently! Also if I was gonna try to truly keep myself hidden wouldn't I just give you an answer that'd throw you offIn post 381, Krazy wrote:You're the only alt I haven't figured out yet of course :p
What's your top 3 favorite anime?
I don't really get your first sentence, are you saying you wouldn't do either situation?In post 382, Ankamius wrote:
mmmmmmm, that's pretty far away from the actual truth for either alignmentIn post 379, Celica wrote:
Mostly because I think you wanted to be more appealing to the gentlemen so you get your pick at your partner. I can see the logic in town you having the eight coins and wanting to be careful on who you want as a partner. What I think is the weird part is I see no reason for town you to say that so early because people are obviously going to read you differently now that you've said you have 8 coins. Scum you wouldn't mind that though. So main motivation was to help your partner choice, along with I barely see any reason why you claim that early.In post 375, Ankamius wrote:
I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coinsIn post 373, Celica wrote:Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all
. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.In post 22, Ankamius wrote:Okay
I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game
And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy
So keep that in mind
also, you claim that people will see me differently now that they know I have 8 coins, but why is that necessarily worse for town-me than scum-me?
It's worse for town you because the reads are less genuine, and people can make the read of 'I want to put ank with this person because they have 8 coins.' Compared to a read where they can't do that if you just kept it hidden. I don't see why town would want that where scum don't really care.-
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You act like however you say yes to being a dance partner with is gonna instant hammer or swing the vote they have around. When in reality if they don't vote who the town mainly agrees on they're most likely going to get lynched. (Well you would be as well, but not the point here)In post 205, Ankamius wrote:Also, I only plan on accepting a gentleman I'm very sure is town so thanks for agreeing with me Dunn
I like the bluntness of this statement. Seems towny I'd dance with Allo at the moment. Then again we might just have a pt of me begging for reasons for half of Allos post and him giving me the cold shoulder.In post 217, Allomancer wrote:Good analysis, seems towny.
Don't worry yourself, this is early on, reads can and will change.-
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What interactions are you talking about here.In post 244, Firebringer wrote:
Dunnie and Worstie don't seem S/S though. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHIn post 239, Firebringer wrote:Dunnstral is scum.
What for? I get you said he's lynchbait, but that doesn't mean fire can't be scummy. If he's lynchbait it's more likely he's to get scumreads right? So I don't really get your logic hereIn post 248, Dunnstral wrote:
I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummyIn post 237, Slaxx wrote:In post 235, Dunnstral wrote:
Because he's lynchbaitIn post 189, Slaxx wrote:
Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?In post 182, Dunnstral wrote:People jumping on fb already are probably scummy
I haven't read anything yet
Read the past dance gamesBeing lynchbait doesn't make you immune to scumreads
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Tell me more? I see a lot of slax townreads, but all I remember is him getting angry a lot that it makes me wanna ignore his posts
Yeah what you're using as a reason (the bold) is such a specific detail that I doubt dunnstral came in the game and remembered this.In post 273, Ankamius wrote:In post 264, the worst wrote:
talk to me about this?In post 263, Ankamius wrote:
idk if Dunn-scum opens the game with that really weird push on me though?In post 255, Firebringer wrote:
and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.In post 248, Dunnstral wrote:I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummyit's not the kind of thing I'm holding on to too much since I think he's only seen my weak games, but he's seen mastina hype me up enough to have an idea that starting a game by provoking me for two posts and then moving on to other stuff might not be the best idea
but it's also been a long time since we played any games together and he doesn't have much reason to even remember me, so it's more a weak baseline for a read than anythingWhat's got you upset?
Interesting. I'm gonna note this as me not being in the moment to understand.In post 299, Ankamius wrote:I'm kinda getting the impression that either everybody contentposting right now are town or that there's only one scum in that same list-
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The way your wording this post has me confused. What about my posting makes you think I'm very easy to townread?In post 390, Dunnstral wrote:Celica looks very easy to townread
Stay vigilant everyone, that's how those wily ladies get you
Why claim right away in your second post? If you did this like, mid pre dance after getting enough interactions I'd fully understand, but doing it so early just changes how people will play around you in total. Wouldn't the associatives be better if you tried to let people read you normallyIn post 394, Ankamius wrote:
correct.In post 384, Celica wrote:
I haven't watched a lot of anime recently! Also if I was gonna try to truly keep myself hidden wouldn't I just give you an answer that'd throw you offIn post 381, Krazy wrote:You're the only alt I haven't figured out yet of course :p
What's your top 3 favorite anime?
I don't really get your first sentence, are you saying you wouldn't do either situation?In post 382, Ankamius wrote:
mmmmmmm, that's pretty far away from the actual truth for either alignmentIn post 379, Celica wrote:
Mostly because I think you wanted to be more appealing to the gentlemen so you get your pick at your partner. I can see the logic in town you having the eight coins and wanting to be careful on who you want as a partner. What I think is the weird part is I see no reason for town you to say that so early because people are obviously going to read you differently now that you've said you have 8 coins. Scum you wouldn't mind that though. So main motivation was to help your partner choice, along with I barely see any reason why you claim that early.In post 375, Ankamius wrote:
I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coinsIn post 373, Celica wrote:Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all
. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.In post 22, Ankamius wrote:Okay
I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game
And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy
So keep that in mind
also, you claim that people will see me differently now that they know I have 8 coins, but why is that necessarily worse for town-me than scum-me?
It's worse for town you because the reads are less genuine, and people can make the read of 'I want to put ank with this person because they have 8 coins.' Compared to a read where they can't do that if you just kept it hidden. I don't see why town would want that where scum don't really care.
you already read past the part where I explained why I wouldn't need to use my coin count to help me find a partner as town; I'm good enough at obvtowning myself when I try to that it's hard to believe that we would ever reach a situation where I would be without a partner when there's more gentlemen than ladies. Buuuuuut a small part of what went into that decision is knowing that it's entirely possible that I'll be specifically put with someone scummy on purpose and it's a lot less likely now.
as scum, I would just grandstand around it if I was worried about how I was going to be read. I don't see much point in just giving out my biggest advantage when I can milk it instead; I also don't have a strong enough scumgame to be able to reliably deflect that extra attention forever, especially since there are multiple people here that are very likely to look for scumsigns from me from early on since I recently won a scumgame against them... and double especially since as the 'strongest' lady in the setup, I'd naturally have more attention on me just from that fact alone. That kind of play requires a strong scumplayer to pull off and that isn't me
as for your response to the second line, that's exactly what is indicative about it; wouldn't you say that it could provide associatives to look back on later?thenclaimed the coins and see how that changed? Your logic as scum is somewhat wifom. Also you seem like a pretty compitent player to me so it's hard to buy that your scumgame is awful.
True!In post 395, Dunnstral wrote:You're not the strongest lady in the setup, you make somebody else the strongest gentlemen. Important distinction.
How so? You mean scum suiciding to kill a tvt pair? I don't think scum would do that because it's not really worth it. I mean, I guess they could. I don't see why they would though. Still, I don't see why you'd claim early (or how your point proves anything?) If you were really worried about what gent got your coins that seems all the more reason to hide it so you can get a better read on the guys. If scum are in the guys they're gonna want to go for town you yeah? I guess I just don't get your points.In post 397, Ankamius wrote:
Depending on the scumteam, this could be gamewinning for themIn post 386, Celica wrote:
You act like however you say yes to being a dance partner with is gonna instant hammer or swing the vote they have around. When in reality if they don't vote who the town mainly agrees on they're most likely going to get lynched. (Well you would be as well, but not the point here)In post 205, Ankamius wrote:Also, I only plan on accepting a gentleman I'm very sure is town so thanks for agreeing with me Dunn-
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Alright I can understand thisIn post 402, Ankamius wrote:
I more meant this in a "wait I kinda remember hearing xxx might be decent" kind of way than something he specifically remembered; the one time I'm referring to was blatant enough that it might stick out, but it was a good while back and we haven't had... well, really any memorable interactions outside of it that I remember so it's still more likely than not that it didn't stick.In post 398, Celica wrote:
Yeah what you're using as a reason (the bold) is such a specific detail that I doubt dunnstral came in the game and remembered this.In post 273, Ankamius wrote:In post 264, the worst wrote:
talk to me about this?In post 263, Ankamius wrote:
idk if Dunn-scum opens the game with that really weird push on me though?In post 255, Firebringer wrote:
and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.In post 248, Dunnstral wrote:I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummyit's not the kind of thing I'm holding on to too much since I think he's only seen my weak games, but he's seen mastina hype me up enough to have an idea that starting a game by provoking me for two posts and then moving on to other stuff might not be the best idea
but it's also been a long time since we played any games together and he doesn't have much reason to even remember me, so it's more a weak baseline for a read than anything
Aw, I was having fun chatting with you ank. Goodnight!In post 409, Ankamius wrote:I'll help you by going to bed for the night Alisae
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I'll make that my next post.In post 737, the worst wrote:
Read it laterIn post 735, Celica wrote:I just wanted to talk reads with people, and yet I know I'm gonna be spending the next hour catching up again. This is what I get for coming back to MS.
What are your reads like atm?
How about 4 chickens and a compliment?In post 738, Firebringer wrote:
I will talk to you if you give me 5 chickens.In post 735, Celica wrote:I just wanted to talk reads with people, and yet I know I'm gonna be spending the next hour catching up again. This is what I get for coming back to MS.
Honestly, you're not wrong.In post 739, Ankamius wrote:
Mafia in general is almost always a bad ideaIn post 735, Celica wrote:I just wanted to talk reads with people, and yet I know I'm gonna be spending the next hour catching up again. This is what I get for coming back to MS.-
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(Allomancer Nancy Drew 39 Krazy)
(the worst Alisae Adelbert Steiner)
(Clemency Firebringer Ankamius)
(Reinhardt mcqueen PvtUrist Dunnstral Jibril-Null)
(Pink Ball Slaxx)
Can explain the first 2 and last line pretty easily. I also love how I was giving Allo crap for not explaining his reads when he made something like this and I'm doing the same thing.-
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I think seeing yourself naked pixelated would be kinda neat tbh. What do you think about my listIn post 746, Firebringer wrote:
Deal.In post 744, Celica wrote:How about 4 chickens and a compliment?
What you want to talk about? I would prefer we talk about the dream I had last night. I was racing one of those old N64 Mario carts. I think the level was the rainbow level. I was also naked which was weird because the graphics made it weirdly pixelated.-
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My issue with Slax is all I really see in his iso is a lot of angry posts where he appears to get pissed off. If we take anger as NAI and just look at the content and context posts I really dislike his posts.
The fact I townread Adel coming back to this push on him from Slaxx really bad, the post I forgot to quote is him saying he scumreads Adel for Adel saying ‘did you claim scum the worst?’ That post may look bad yeah, but I don’t see why scum Adel even posts that. It feels like a really easy scumread to make and a push I can see Slax going for.In post 167, Slaxx wrote:In post 165, Adelbert Steiner wrote:
It is funny to me that once again you have scum read me, and it matters not what account I am on.In post 163, Slaxx wrote:
Wait you're not on Adel SR?In post 161, the worst wrote:
I'm suddenly starting to think maybe notIn post 157, Slaxx wrote:
lolIn post 156, the worst wrote:
separateIn post 152, Slaxx wrote:
Was this in reference to our mindmeld or separate?In post 149, the worst wrote:In post 148, Firebringer wrote:the read is genuineIn post 11, Firebringer wrote:This is a Trust Tell. A bannable offense and needs to be removed from the game.
it was a shitpost
do u see what i see
The fact you're an alt makes that way way worse tbh.
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Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?In post 182, Dunnstral wrote:People jumping on fb already are probably scummy
I haven't read anything yet
The timing of these posts on dunn just strikes me as off. Feels like a way to discredit, not really trying to solve, but trying to stop reads.In post 191, Slaxx wrote:Actually I really don't like Dunn's entrance as it processes.
Why does post count matter when it comes to a read? I don’t think it does at all. Seems like another reason for trying to stop reads.In post 220, Slaxx wrote:
...He had like four postsIn post 217, Allomancer wrote:Good analysis, seems towny. Don't worry yourself, this is early on, reads can and will change.
Prob the only post of Slaxx I agree and call towny.In post 237, Slaxx wrote:In post 235, Dunnstral wrote:
Because he's lynchbaitIn post 189, Slaxx wrote:
Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?In post 182, Dunnstral wrote:People jumping on fb already are probably scummy
I haven't read anything yet
Read the past dance gamesBeing lynchbait doesn't make you immune to scumreads
My fucking god I might as well make it my sig.
Before this post he made comments on Allo being scummy/maybe scum. So if that’s true, you and your scumreading agreeing on a read doesn’t make you pause.
The people Slax scumreads right here. One of them (Dunn) calls the other town. (Adel) What makes me pause here is Slax does nothing about it. Not a call out, no questions why, nothing. I would expect Slax to call this out as town or at least question it. All we get is ‘>_>’In post 289, Slaxx wrote:
>_______________>In post 287, Dunnstral wrote:Gut read I think Adel is town
This is further shown by his reads list. So yeah this is why I sr himIn post 654, Slaxx wrote:(Nancy Drew, The Worst)
(Ank, Clem)
(Allo, Celica, Alisae, FB, Jib, McQ)
(Dunn, PB, PVT)
(Krazy, Adel)
I think is where I’m at. Middle it’s rough, top two and bottom two I’m relatively confident in.-
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Pink ball: I take his filler as NAI because it seems he wanted to dance with the worst or Clem from the start so ignoring that. The vagueness of his posting when he gets pushed just seems bad to me. Like he's waiting for an answer that sounds good just so he can agree with it. His reads also just seem very rushed and like he wanted to post something just to seem productive.
Alisae: I liked the interaction with Nancy, I could be overthinking this, but I felt like Alisae was poking Nancy for reactions and dodging for reasons to get more from Nancy. That felt towny to me.
Allo: The bluntness of his posting and the idgaf style feel obvious town to me. Combined with the fact I feel it's easy to see how he's attempting to solve the game
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Your posting has made me smile the most out of everyone in this playerlist.
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Oh no! Ankamius and me are going for the same guys, but she's way more pretty than me...In post 821, Ankamius wrote:
Essentially this for me too assuming Slaxx and Dunn is going to happenIn post 819, Celica wrote:The only people I feel comfortable pairing with at the moment are Krazy or Allo.
Pedit: I was talking about Slax, not you. Sidenote you ignored my question before!-
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I asked why you thought my posting made me look like an easy townread. That had me confusedIn post 829, Dunnstral wrote:Alright I'll bite, what question are you talking about?-
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Fair enough, I don't think you're wrong. I think it's best to look at the content of the posts though. Do you have a read on me?In post 843, Dunnstral wrote:
Your style of posting is very easy for other players to townread, but it's possible you are capable of posting like that as scum, that's what I was thinkingIn post 840, Celica wrote:
I asked why you thought my posting made me look like an easy townread. That had me confusedIn post 829, Dunnstral wrote:Alright I'll bite, what question are you talking about?
Of course, you are! Have you seen yourself?In post 847, Dunnstral wrote:
A-Am I cute? o///oIn post 842, Celica wrote:Why are all the pretty people going for the guys I want. It's like my high school prom all over again.-
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Get the makeup bag Ank, We gotta look pretty!In post 952, Allomancer wrote:Rn I wanna dance with either Celica or Ankamius-
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I don't remember the last time I ever got called a power wolf so this is really flattering. Although I guess it would only be flattering if I really was a wolf. Still, it's nice to hear this!In post 1091, Alisae wrote:The powerwolf or I'm just really paranoid: Celica
What about my case is bad? You should tell me more or at least explain why Slaxx is town more.In post 1097, Ankamius wrote:I think I see what you mean, the case itself is really not good now that I'm actually looking at it (spoilers, I skipped it when I first saw it)
do you know of her outside the site enough to have an idea of how much experience she has?
Alisae wouldn't know who I am so it's not really that relevant.
I mean that's exactly what it is. I'm pushing Slaxx because I scumread him and I see a lot of people have him as a townread. Obviously I'm not okay with that and when I've asked people to explain why I'm wrong I haven't seen a good answer. I don't even recall a lot of answers at all.In post 1102, Ankamius wrote:I can easily see that entire post being a stretched case to push on you with
This is kinda word soup, but let me try to run this down. 1) Theirs no such thing as a certain kind of push on how you push a buddy. If such a thing existed they'd be easy to catch. So your point is kinda moot. What makes it a scum push over a town push? You don't explain that. Also how are you getting a 'trying to stop reads' feel from that case? I never said people should stop reading Slaxx I just posted a reads list and everyone asked for my read on Slaxx. So I don't get how you're reading my case like that.In post 1119, Alisae wrote:3 point 2 major things are scummy about it the first being the overall thing as a whole is probably a scum motivated push. Its the kind of push that looks like how you bus your buddies (Note: I am not saying it is bussing but what I am saying is its nuisanced enough to be a scumbus). Its the kind of case that scum would post. It even feels like there’s a safety of “I mean I guess this looks like a towny post” but I don’t think its a genuine evaluation of the slot. The second being that there are just the emphasis of “Trying to stop reads” which probably makes no sense to me or is just not scummy but I feel like assuming both?
I have no reason to do this though when I could just nightkill Slaxx. He's the most townread gent minus Allo who I am actively trying to pair with. What would town me do in this spot? I asked for reasons why Slaxx was town and I wasn't seeing any so I posted my case. The way you and Ali are acting is like I said to stop trying to read Slaxx all together. I never did that at all.In post 1120, Ankamius wrote:that case strikes me more as scum trying to diminish the influence of a townslot than a bus-
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No thank you.In post 1129, Slaxx wrote:Adel/Celicia would be an alright pair for the dance I think.
Agreed for the most partIn post 1212, Ankamius wrote:
the problem is that most of the gentlemen are null or sketchy, not the general read level of the ladiesIn post 1206, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I don’t think we need to rush this decision. Do you really think we’d be the most obvtown couple though? I thought Ank and tw were more obvtown read then me but then maybe thing’s have changed since I last read the game?In post 1204, Slaxx wrote:Do you understand the logic of us not partnering together? I want to but I think we eat the kill if we do.-
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Because it’s a post that people should think more about then just looking at it. Adel seems like a mislynch waiting to happen to me and Slax is pushing it. The way he called out the posts in questions were also bad. So yes it is scummy the way he went at it. Instead of prodding adel more he just called the post scummy and moved on.In post 1223, Ankamius wrote:Why is this necessarily scummy? It's early enough in the game where there isn't a whole lot more to go on and you even said yourself that the post he's referring to was bad, so what's the problem with this?
Just because you disagree with my way of thinking and the way Slaxx went at something doesn’t make the overall case bad. You didn’t really prove anything with this post. You just said you disagree and a ‘I think’ post that holds no merit because we don’t know if your ‘I think’ is true or not.In post 1223, Ankamius wrote:This is essentially the same thing you did with your first point. Dunnstral calling people scummy for pushing lynchbait at page... 7 or 8 is bizarre and worth calling out, what's the problem with it necessarily? It would look a lot more scummy if the general tone of the posts were reversed, but I think most scumplayers would be more self-aware than to respond with reasonable followup questions and then immediately after make a post that could be interpreted as an attempt to discredit Dunn.
You don’t need a high post count for someone to have good analysis in a post or to even call someone towny. Someone can be towny in only 1 post some can not be towny in 100. Post count isn’t really a factor.In post 1223, Ankamius wrote:This is him essentially saying that Dunnstral hasn't posted enough to warrant "Good analysis, seems towny." This I agree with, it's a pocket attempt at a glance and it makes sense that he'd specifically pick this fight because it's a townread on his scumread.
No...no it can’t you’re just making an assumption. The fact is he was scumreading Allo and allo agrees with him on another scumread. He didn’t question that at all and to me that’s weird.In post 1223, Ankamius wrote:That can just as easily be interpreted as "okay cool Allo might just have been hasty on Dunn, he's got his head in the game now"
Gut read or not the fact he didn’t question that more is strange in and of itself. He could’ve brought more attention to it by simply going. “My scumreads are starting to town read each other.” Or ask more questions about the read.In post 1223, Ankamius wrote:It's more an expression than anything. Gutreads are notorious for being unexplainable, so what would he have called it out with or questioned about it?
That wasn’t the orginal point you were making though. You were basically trying to say that I was trying to stop people from reading Slaxx. Also, the point of trying to stop his influence doesn’t make sense because he’s townreading me. Along with the fact that the whole influence point doesn’t make sense at all. It’s not like people are sheeping Slax in the first place or anything of the sort. So what influence am I stopping in the first place? Nothing at all.In post 1224, Ankamius wrote:
If he's mostly on the right track, then it's entirely possible that he'd be able to convince enough of us to lynch your partners before your chance to kill him even comes up.In post 1214, Celica wrote:
I have no reason to do this though when I could just nightkill Slaxx. He's the most townread gent minus Allo who I am actively trying to pair with. What would town me do in this spot? I asked for reasons why Slaxx was town and I wasn't seeing any so I posted my case. The way you and Ali are acting is like I said to stop trying to read Slaxx all together. I never did that at all.In post 1120, Ankamius wrote:that case strikes me more as scum trying to diminish the influence of a townslot than a bus
Overall your statements here just feel...flat. Like you’re giving an excuse to say why my case is bad. I haven’t really seen anything good here that I can agree with. I don’t think you’re trying to understand my reasoning more so as just discredit me.-
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These scumreads on me have come out of left field and I don't really know how I feel about it? Pinkball I don't really care about because he's not playing the game and isn't making end game. Most likely the first pair to die thankfully.
Alisae could be town and it's what I lean right now.
Ank is scum for reasons I just stated.
Huh that was easier now that I took a moment to think it over.
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Pink just started posting because they're getting heat. It was a really weird swing in my mind. Them 'catching up' and having those reads also feels convenient/fake to me I don't even fully believe pink has caught up. The reads need explaining the first time he did some type of explanation was the read on me/Adel
Pedit: Don't try and pin the blame foryounot playing the game on me Pink ball. You're the one not doing anything. You already have a partner you're gonna be playing the game. Nothing I do will stop you from playing. The fact you're trying to pin your faults on me is just ugly.-
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Who is scumreading you for this reason? I don't think anyone is.In post 1271, Pink Ball wrote:
Just remember what I stated: the scumteam wants to get read of me as early as they can 'cause I'm annoyingly adorable. Any player who stated they were scumreading/leaning me at the start of the game with the "he's not playing the game" argument is poor as fuck and they should be scrutinized for it, since stating "this player is not contributing" is NOT a valid contributionIn post 1265, Allomancer wrote:Starting to reconsider my read on Pink Ball. Not so sure about a PB/Clem lynch anymore.-
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1) I don't know why you're getting all sassy for no reason? We can talk like respectable people thank you.In post 1274, Pink Ball wrote:
I'm not getting more heat that I had like 25 pages ago, honey. I'm posting now 'cause I got some spare time to get obvtown and avoid scum like you get a free mislynch.In post 1270, Celica wrote:Pink just started posting because they're getting heat. It was a really weird swing in my mind. Them 'catching up' and having those reads also feels convenient/fake to me I don't even fully believe pink has caught up. The reads need explaining the first time he did some type of explanation was the read on me/Adel
Pedit: Don't try and pin the blame foryounot playing the game on me Pink ball. You're the one not doing anything. You already have a partner you're gonna be playing the game. Nothing I do will stop you from playing. The fact you're trying to pin your faults on me is just ugly.
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Mhm. He stated a few reads a bit ago went back to posting filler, got heat, then posted more. His reaction to me and playing the victim card is really bad as well.In post 1276, Alisae wrote:
wait ur still trying to say that Pink Ball isn’t doing anything?In post 1270, Celica wrote:Pink just started posting because they're getting heat. It was a really weird swing in my mind. Them 'catching up' and having those reads also feels convenient/fake to me I don't even fully believe pink has caught up. The reads need explaining the first time he did some type of explanation was the read on me/Adel
Pedit: Don't try and pin the blame foryounot playing the game on me Pink ball. You're the one not doing anything. You already have a partner you're gonna be playing the game. Nothing I do will stop you from playing. The fact you're trying to pin your faults on me is just ugly.-
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Sure thing why don't you explain why I'm scum before you try and get my partners. Considering your reasoning for scumreading me is outright false.In post 1279, Pink Ball wrote:@Celica: I'm not afraid of being mislynched by anybody, that's misrepresentation. And I wasn't being THAT sassy to try to get the moral highground with the "let's talk like respectable people" lol.
Not 1v1ing you, there's no point, I have to catch your partners
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And I disagree with you. I'm not ignoring anything. I just don't think Pink has done much. That's not me ignoring peoples posting that's my opinion. You're the one ignoring posts ironicallyIn post 1282, Alisae wrote:
I mean I personally think he’s doing thingsIn post 1280, Celica wrote:
Mhm. He stated a few reads a bit ago went back to posting filler, got heat, then posted more. His reaction to me and playing the victim card is really bad as well.In post 1276, Alisae wrote:
wait ur still trying to say that Pink Ball isn’t doing anything?In post 1270, Celica wrote:Pink just started posting because they're getting heat. It was a really weird swing in my mind. Them 'catching up' and having those reads also feels convenient/fake to me I don't even fully believe pink has caught up. The reads need explaining the first time he did some type of explanation was the read on me/Adel
Pedit: Don't try and pin the blame foryounot playing the game on me Pink ball. You're the one not doing anything. You already have a partner you're gonna be playing the game. Nothing I do will stop you from playing. The fact you're trying to pin your faults on me is just ugly.
The problem is ur ignoring it :/
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That's impossible unless an extra gent chooses to leave.In post 1289, Ankamius wrote:I'm wanting Celica unpaired atm-
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I don't know why you think it'd be a waste of time when you can prove me wrong by basically interacting with me. It seems I hurt your feelings with my opinion on your play. So if that's your wish for it I suppose.In post 1291, Pink Ball wrote:@Celica just to be clear, if you think I haven't done that much, then I'm not going to talk with you, since it would be a waste of time for both of us. As Ringo would say, "peace and love, peace and love"-
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Like it's bad enough I'm pretty sure he's scum doing this just for the sake of getting me to back off. It'd just be worse if he was town though and I was trying to give him chances and he's telling me to fuck off.
Pedit: I don't believe that given I'm your biggest scumread atm Ank. You can do better than that. If you can answer/discredit my answers you can explain why I'm scum-
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Not playing victim I'm just frustrated that you're clearly an adult who is acting like a child and running away from your problems in a mafia game. If you don't want to interact with me stop quoting what I say. You're a grown man act like it.In post 1308, Pink Ball wrote:
I already told you twice to stop interacting with me.In post 1302, Celica wrote:Okay well if pink is just gonna be a jerk for no reason I'll stop asking for stuff from him.
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I'm debating if I want to pair with a gent I want dead because I don't think I'm making end game at the moment or if I want to go with Allo. My fear with going with Allo is he'll get dragged down with me. I'm confident in my town game giving my scum game is nothing compared to this, but it's hard to work off when I have no reason why I'm being scumread.In post 1310, Alisae wrote:Celica pull up a chair, let’s talk.
I don’t think ur going with your pink ball push, and I don’t think your ank push is going to go anywhere atm.
What are some other topics you wanna talk about atm, because you’re wasting your energy atm and its starting to become hard to sort.
I think mcqueen should get a pair atm. I'd want adel or Rein left out of the dance, but I lean adel atm-
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I'd be offended by this post if I thought you were town. hahaIn post 1315, Ankamius wrote:
Your interactions with me are not indicating that your casing is coming from a gamesolving frame of mind is the main thingIn post 1306, Celica wrote:Like it's bad enough I'm pretty sure he's scum doing this just for the sake of getting me to back off. It'd just be worse if he was town though and I was trying to give him chances and he's telling me to fuck off.
Pedit: I don't believe that given I'm your biggest scumread atm Ank. You can do better than that. If you can answer/discredit my answers you can explain why I'm scum
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It doesn't really matter what mcqueens ali is atm. He should get a partner regardless because he needs to give us more interactions. If he's left out and he's town or scum it doesn't really tell us much. I want adel left out because of my own selfish reasons. If he flips town it helps my Slaxx case and people can maybe listen to my reads more. If he flps scum I clearly was mistaken and I need to re look at my reads. Win win for meIn post 1316, Ankamius wrote:
I might be wrong on Rein, McQueen might be the third scum insteadIn post 1314, Celica wrote:I think mcqueen should get a pair atm. I'd want adel or Rein left out of the dance, but I lean adel atm
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You made reaches that show why Slaxx can be town by making assumptions in his posts. When I showed holes in his logic. While yes you showed points you never really showed anything that could make it not come from scum.In post 1321, Ankamius wrote:
Most of my side of that exchange was wanting you to say why your case means scum when I can easily see it coming from town and your response was essentially "you can't make assumptions"In post 1317, Celica wrote:
I'd be offended by this post if I thought you were town. hahaIn post 1315, Ankamius wrote:
Your interactions with me are not indicating that your casing is coming from a gamesolving frame of mind is the main thingIn post 1306, Celica wrote:Like it's bad enough I'm pretty sure he's scum doing this just for the sake of getting me to back off. It'd just be worse if he was town though and I was trying to give him chances and he's telling me to fuck off.
Pedit: I don't believe that given I'm your biggest scumread atm Ank. You can do better than that. If you can answer/discredit my answers you can explain why I'm scum
I also independently believe that scum aren't just sitting by and letting the game progress without them, this game is going to be very hard for scum if there isn't efforts made to get a foothold in the game and it also fits with the mindset you started with
What is town about that?
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(how could you tell I was getting a massive headache from all this?)In post 1323, Alisae wrote:Celia do me a favor, just ignore everyone else for a bit. Tbh you’ll probably get a headache since I don’t think they’re actually trying to sort you atm, but they just want to be obnoxious trolls.
Let’s start with the basics first.
Who’s town who’s scum why in like a paragraph or less.
Scum: Pinkball: As I said before he posts just to post and his reads make no sense. I don't really think he ever seriously caught up or made serious posts. He then played the victim card and called people out.
One of Ank/Slax (Given I don't think they're partners) Ank for what I just stated. She's not trying to sort me what so ever and had me as town to 'top scumread' when I push her on this fact she can't explain it and is making up reasons on the spot
Slax you know why.
Town: Allo Krazy Nancy
Fire possibly you.
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That's not how cases work. Anyone in the game of mafia can do 1 action and it be towny or scummy. The thing that makes it damning is looking at if the thought process of the reads seems real and the motivations of someones actions.In post 1329, Ankamius wrote:
Showing you that your points are wrong is not necessarily the point, the point was to show that town can do exactly what he did and make sense. It shows that your case isn't alignment indicative, and therefore is not a good caseIn post 1324, Celica wrote:
You made reaches that show why Slaxx can be town by making assumptions in his posts. When I showed holes in his logic. While yes you showed points you never really showed anything that could make it not come from scum.In post 1321, Ankamius wrote:
Most of my side of that exchange was wanting you to say why your case means scum when I can easily see it coming from town and your response was essentially "you can't make assumptions"In post 1317, Celica wrote:
I'd be offended by this post if I thought you were town. hahaIn post 1315, Ankamius wrote:
Your interactions with me are not indicating that your casing is coming from a gamesolving frame of mind is the main thingIn post 1306, Celica wrote:Like it's bad enough I'm pretty sure he's scum doing this just for the sake of getting me to back off. It'd just be worse if he was town though and I was trying to give him chances and he's telling me to fuck off.
Pedit: I don't believe that given I'm your biggest scumread atm Ank. You can do better than that. If you can answer/discredit my answers you can explain why I'm scum
I also independently believe that scum aren't just sitting by and letting the game progress without them, this game is going to be very hard for scum if there isn't efforts made to get a foothold in the game and it also fits with the mindset you started with
What is town about that?
I made a case you made a counter point saying 'these reasons are why it can be town' I gave you my reasons why you're incorrect. We didn't really solve anything.
You can't come in here and go 'town can do exactly this.' Because you're right and so can scum! If we used your logic everything in the whole game of mafia would be NAI-
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A. Honestly? It's possible. I don't think Ank is trying to sort me right now and that they're just discrediting me. I did see stuff that I liked from Ank, but even if we take away the fight that we just had I had other reasons to sr Ank.
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It's more so I don't see why town Ank does it that early. It also made her more appealing as scum. Could she have a chance to get her partner as scum without claiming it? Of course, but saying you have the most coins helps.In post 1370, Alisae wrote:Honestly Celica, look back on it later. You’ll probably get a kick out of how that whole arguement is so futile and useless, but I’ll address this.
I kind of don’t see how this makes sense? I feel like Ankamius would probably land her ideal partner anyways, and there’s no way they were going to have an ideal partner in mind on page 1 unless its a scum v scum pairing.In post 373, Celica wrote:Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.-
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This Ali?In post 1382, Alisae wrote:@Celica- Look, I’ve been up all night reading a 120 chapter manga and kinda spent way too much time playing mafia then I thought I would. Just address a few things for me when you get a chance.
A. Look through Dunnstral’s ISO as promised.
B. Get back to me on Ank in general, both by re-reading the fight you had and/or continuing our conversation, whatever works for you.
C. Can you tell me if you think Slaxx is trying to figure out the motivations of other people?
I think thats all I need from you for now.
I can do that rn-
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I didn't try to shield mcqueen. I said he should get a partner. That's all I said.In post 1719, Ankamius wrote:because of your weird spot in krazy's pairings and celica trying to shield you-
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