Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

[Wiisp]

Hi my name is Wisp, I am a very cocky player, tell me a little about yourselves?

[Wiisp]

I’d like 16 players to write an essay about why I’m the greatest. Please & thank you.

you are beautiful and those are the only 3 words I need

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Skygazer

[Wiisp]

I have a condition as well.

i also have an addiction, its called addiction to forum mafia

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Wiisp

Why?

why you no ask me why i vote sky, but you ask why he votes me?

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Wiisp

Why?

I'm not town reading them.

[Wiisp]

I didn't like the suggestion to waste a cop confirming a miller.

Wiisp, was that also your reason for voting Sky?

nope

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Wiisp

Why?

why you no ask me why i vote sky, but you ask why he votes me?

I voted with you.

very simple and clean answer, i like it

[Wiisp]

Can I ask what was, if you had one?

kinda feels like tmi, his first line in terms of alignment, feels like he has a lot of information, at least tonally thats how I read it, I think someone already stated how the content of the post didnt match the tone, and I agree

now my turn, why did you not like my vote? was it the lack of context?

[Wiisp]

who is GoT? the dude with the creepy gif avatar, that keeps posting in the undertale font?

[Wiisp]

who is GoT? the dude with the creepy gif avatar, that keeps posting in the undertale font?

WHO ARE YOU CALLING CREEPY EXACTLY???

CHECK MY NAME, IT IS RIGHT ABOVE MY MAGNIFICENT AVATAR!!!

maybe im blind but I dont see a post by this GoT person, and no take backs, your avatar is actually turning me off

[Wiisp]

I think he just stated obvious information but like the tone of the post just pings me, i dont have any reason to believe or not believe the claim, and I am less of fan of mechanical information over analytical information

[Wiisp]

real talk though, did GoT make a post, cause i still dont see it?

[Wiisp]

yeah a cop check on a miller would objectively be a horrible idea

but given the mechanics i would probs treat rbwy as conftown if their millerness actually works in the way described

wilsp, what possible analytical info could i have given by the time i made that post???

that you have too much info...

[Wiisp]

real talk though, did GoT make a post, cause i still dont see it?

~Nanami

hmm, probably town if I was gonna read off that entrance alone

[Wiisp]

where did I say anything about the mechanics of this game specifically? The Mercy bar is known info, and it's not even a factor in my thoughts right now..

The miller can be town, and sky can be scum, thats where I am at right now

[Wiisp]

What makes you say that?

simplistic entrances tend to come from town

[Wiisp]

What makes you say that?

simplistic entrances tend to come from town

[Wiisp]

I am not understanding where you got that she has TMI

its almost like opinions are subjective, how fascinating, I don't feel like instantiating that read,

[Wiisp]

Wiisp is town even though I don't agree that opening with a gif means town GoT

-WS

interesting, not so much a fan of meta reads, shouldn't it be "probably town"?

[Wiisp]

ya its 3am, im going to sleep as well

[Wiisp]

not so much a fan of meta reads, shouldn't it be "probably town"?

That's not a meta read, I just think either you open with a gif or you don't... people like Maria open with simple gifs just about every time as scum. I don't think it's TI for GoT.

Not saying GoT is scum, just saying that a town read there as of yet is unjustified.

As for adverbs... nah, no thanks

-WS

Why are you focused on the gif? I'm focused on the action, the simple hand wave, or "Hi"...
In a more serious note, it probably isn't at all AI for him, but I don't know how he plays, and some mafia are self-aware enough to know how to enter games.

I am not arguing semantics here, or maybe I am? the lack of that "adverb" makes the statement this, "Wisp is town", unless you some extra info, or are mafia, then my alignment shouldn't be known to you

[Wiisp]

@nom
i hate your roleplay, and that font is extremely obnoxious to read... ill shoot you first

[Wiisp]

I'm pretty sure Nom has a post restriction?

@nom
i hate your roleplay, and that font is extremely obnoxious to read... ill shoot you first

IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE A CHOICE YOU KNOW!!!

thats actually yikes

[Wiisp]

probably one wolf between Rwby and GoT, honestly they are both hybrids, so seeing one of them die today, wouldnt even bother me

more leaning towards Rwby, #78 was a horrendous omgus

or maybe its just v/v, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the sky train is growing quite fast, I like the early pressure
@sky, who are the scum on your train if any, in the world where you are town?

[Wiisp]

Hi! This head is checking in!

-Blake

this is a scummy post

[Wiisp]

hello yes kisses you can call me Shii

I feel like I have a happy stash of town leans. Sky and RWBY do not fall within this group.

lets talk about those town reads then, who are they, and why?

I like Brown Eyes thoughts so far
same with the clever hydra

Hot lightning is on the lower end of the spectrum

[Wiisp]

@Team RWBY

So, instead of answering this head's question in 124 or engaging with Nom's assessment about the Weiss/Nanami back-and-forth involving you 128, you've:

1) Cultivated the dichotomy of having to sort RWBY/GoT together based on interactions together instead of looking at us individually
2) You haven't made an actual definitive stance on either hydra based on the bolded, and you're apathetic on how to approach this
3) Despite focusing on the interaction - you haven't asserted a committed read either, but you're stating "this is scummy" and painting one post in the ISO as "horrendus OMGUS" aside from actively seeking to understand the read.

Nothing about these two posts indicate any in-depth motivation to gamesolve, and it doesn't feel quite genuine because you're not the only person who thinks this way.

I'm not really cultivating anything, the dichotomy was only to point out that from their interactions I really don't think you are W/W... How exactly am I not looking at you at an individual level, when my W/V claim is exactly that, ive made my thoughts known on your posts, if I could vote two people, I'd be voting both you and Sky... There is nothing from GoT that makes me think he is a wolf at this point, I think his posts overall look like town trying to hunt and ask questions, as well as on a level-0 I think his entrance is townie, which I explained why... So again, tell me how I'm not evaluating you too on an individual level

again ive made several stances, but Im not trying to take definite stances as it is too early, and I have a habit of locking my reads very early, honestly if I was apathetic, I would even post, town most of the time just eats itself alive anyways

This is a really bad way to discredit a townread. Not because of Whips reasoning because sure, townreading a gif opening is NAI. But no one in that hydra has even close to enough games with me to make a read like that. Along with the fact that it's a blatantly false statement

It still wasn't a meta argument, I don't think in general it's a good idea to give someone a townread for posting a gif as an opening when that is not a particularly AI behavior.

Arguing that "Maria often opens with gifs as scum" is a "blantantly false statement" is a pretty "blatantly false statement" -- because she does.

VOTE: Game of Throws

-WS

Actually it's pretty funny, I saw "x did a simplistic opening so they're town" and my first thought was, "well, I can think of players, such as Maria, who would do a very similar opening as scum." I literally didn't even remember GoT was the super hydra LOL

-WS

Hi! This head is checking in!

-Blake

I'll confirm that Taly = Yang. <3

Also yeah

Not going to try and make a read based off one individual in a hydra that consists of 500 fucking people

(GoT)

Also not going to althunt on who

Nanami

is nor will I make any relying meta argument since I have little recent experience with anyone in the hydra.

Weiss

, catch these hands.

But, I DO want to know two things.

@GOT

- Majority of your posting so far has been focused around votes on you, mainly the one from our hydra - why not

Dann's

or

Sky's

vote?

Sky

, why more emphasis on this hydra's claim and not any reads to gamesolve right now?

Hot

, your second and only notable post is

Sky's

vote on

GoT

being weird... yet you townread them?

Dann's

posting style is a bit different from what I remember, based off these 5 pages.

Does

Reasonably

have reads? If they do, they're forgettable enough for me to be unsure why despite their posting and presence.

Wiisp

forgettable... I noticed

PB

because of their A+ avi ;D

Brown Eyes

is biggest townping yet for this head. They're not looking at a back-and-forth through auto-stating a position on the two players

(Weiss/Nananami)

pushing each other, and they do add a vote and at the same time question the reads of the wagon they're on. The vote does not feel scum-motivated. 91

Papyrus'

opening felt fluffy, I want their reaction to

Sky's

wagon when he has returned.

p-edit

oh look, more votes on

Sky

choo choo

any reason that's completely unique to what's been discussed already?

1. What world do you live in where that first quote is not an OMGUS, like what are you even discrediting here? I am arguing he is town, but you argue he could be scum, but it seems like you are also at the same time trying to argue its NAI? Sure you do you, but I dislike the way you attacked GoT in the post as well, and it was a poor attempt at hiding that OMGUS.
2. The overall tone of the second post is just fake
3. You can argue that I'm not instantiating my reads, but I'd rather focus on reactions, post 3 is mafia 101 of how hydras enter the thread as scum, "hey just checking up on my partner"
4. in lastly, this wall post is literally just you trying to focus on everything, an attempt to come off as town

There's my stance, but I'm still gonna keep my vote on Sky at the moment, its still just the beginning of Day 1, and id rather see how large trains move around, and how they react to them, as well as I still think she's more likely to be scum over you, and I'm still waiting for her to answer my question

[Wiisp]

The problem I’m seeing here is that more pressure needs to be put on the people who aren’t posting- SS, Neenie, sofa, dreamers...

Will the people who haven’t posted much please respond to thoughts on the thread so far?

Thank you in advance

-b

where are you at with your thoughts right now? as well? I agree with Dannifor here, asking for others thoughts when you havent even give yours, outside an RVS vote on Sofa, is questionable

[Wiisp]

@papyrus
why is dann town? and why did you vote Vedith?

[Wiisp]

Should I claim?

You should do what your soul tells you is right.

that question wasnt for you...

[Wiisp]

/barn Dan
good with votes on any of these 3, Hot, Sky, Rwby

[Wiisp]

Vedith's scum for mindlessly voting Dann & asking bad questions.

[Wiisp]

/barn Dan
good with votes on any of these 3, Hot, Sky, Rwby

Hot and Sky I don't feel it.
RWBY, I can work with that.

k

[Wiisp]

phonepost

ank is trolling, but i want to see PB post

also wisp, why are you just now taking issue with my opening post and not in 136 or 137?

~yang

what?

[Wiisp]

The thoughts were always there, I just didnt bring them up, till one of your heads decided my lack of reasoning equal'd that the reasoning didnt exist

[Wiisp]

@Yang
so do you think I am scum? cause it's getting to the point where I am not very fond of told my thought process is not geared towards game solving.
I am a very surface level game solver

"like, what am i to deduce from the above and all of this?" idk you tell me, you have done naught to help your hybrid slot so far
my vote has been the same, and ive stated several times why, try again
I was ok with either of you dying for the sake of seeing a hybrid account
so you are going to argue that you are an easy read to attach to, that's like playing bad, and then arguing that it makes you towny and me scummy for pushing on it, it says nothing about your alignment
and I've stated my reasons, you have yet to call them anything but a surface level

what did #138 have to do with me, do I need to respond to every post?
I entertain everyone's thoughts, including my scum leans, and you have yet to give entertain me with thoughts that I can work with

[Wiisp]

I agree with Papyrus that this sounds a bit more like scum vedith, but I'm not certain on that yet. A bit jarring that I'm not mindmelding with Dann on slots like Vedith yet though so... *shrug* I'll get breakfast and think about it some more later.

@Wiisp, your thing about adverbs is more a style choice. Saying "probably" all the time is a way to hedge your reads. You can accuse me of overconfidence if you like

-WS

there are town ways to hedge and scum ways to hedge, as the uninformed majority, there's nothing wrong with confusion, or being little lost
let's agree to disagree that, "Is town" and "is probably town", are just style choice, this early in the game

also how am I suppose to agree or disagree with meta reads in my first game on this site, they are just obnoxious
I gave you my reasons why I think vedith is town, none because of meta, so why are you unsure about vedith, thats not meta?

[Wiisp]

lets not continue with walls, thatll make this more frustrating and incomprehensible than it already is

anyways I agree i want to hear from the 1-posters

[Wiisp]

Him claiming to be miller, doesnt mean he is, or isnt, and yes the optimal player for a miller claim is to claim day 1... likewise, if a miller is in a game, then some version of a cop is 99% of the time in the game, since the point of a miller is lost if not

how many god damn hydras are in this game...

[Wiisp]

This is a really bad way to discredit a townread. Not because of Whips reasoning because sure, townreading a gif opening is NAI. But no one in that hydra has even close to enough games with me to make a read like that. Along with the fact that it's a blatantly false statement

It still wasn't a meta argument, I don't think in general it's a good idea to give someone a townread for posting a gif as an opening when that is not a particularly AI behavior.

Arguing that "Maria often opens with gifs as scum" is a "blantantly false statement" is a pretty "blatantly false statement" -- because she does.

VOTE: Game of Throws

-WS

We're not mindmelding at all right now, but I feel like this deserves a slight townread.

-m

why?

[Wiisp]

Him claiming to be miller, doesnt mean he is, or isnt, and yes the optimal player for a miller claim is to claim day 1... likewise, if a miller is in a game, then some version of a cop is 99% of the time in the game, since the point of a miller is lost if not

how many god damn hydras are in this game...

Under the Sea had many millers and no cop (instead a town rolecop), and Anime U-Pick, unless I'm mistaken, only had one cop and it was also a rolecop.

I assume there is some sort of investigative in the game but I'm not certain there is a pure alignment cop.

-WS

I guess a miller could be in the game just for wifom... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Wiisp]

ya im bussing my partner Sky, vote there first
major yikes

[Wiisp]

Hey Brown Eyes, do you have any hard or psuedo-hard stances, in terms who you think is scum yet?

[Wiisp]

@skygazer
I can see where you are coming from, there wasnt much of a reason for Pap to assume it was a post restriction... hmmmmmmmm, maybe it is as you say, just tmi

[Wiisp]

if you're going to be scumreading this head via gut for something that silly

then you should be aware that you're going to probably gutread everything I post as scummy all game lol

-Blake

you should probably fix that then...

[Wiisp]

if you're going to be scumreading this head via gut for something that silly

then you should be aware that you're going to probably gutread everything I post as scummy all game lol

-Blake

you should probably fix that then...

fix... what lol

-Blake

looking scummy lol

[Wiisp]

VOTE: nomnomnom
what are your thoughts, a lot of echoing the thread, and very little stances?
what are your scum leans atm?

Hot Lightning votes are better than Vedith votes rnow

I AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT!!!

VOTE: HOT LIGHTNING

STILL SEARCHING FOR HUMANS, BY THE WAY.

explain why this deserved a vote?

[Wiisp]

@sky, who are the scum on your train if any, in the world where you are town?

@RWBY
you cant stop me

[Wiisp]

@brownEyes
so you think both trains are scum, its definitely a possibility... maybe like 40%? that percent was random

@nom
i regret asking you to talk, solely because reading your posts hurt my eyes due to the font
You know how mafia win games, by not being pressured, you havent done anything, thats jump out as me as game solving behavior
then push the wagon, slapping your vote on the train doesnt due much of anything

also I later clarified my stance on the matter later on, i said it was just to point out I dont really think they are w/w from what ive seen and their conversations
I stated there was a possibility of them both being villagers

[Wiisp]

@sky
didnt realize that was answering my question, sorry
any other thoughts?

[Wiisp]

@hot lightning
still on your rvs?
any new thoughts on me? if you don't like me, the town thing to do is vote me, and tell us why everyone should vote there...
scum leans?

[Wiisp]

@nomnomnom
hmm its really hard to read your tone because of that font... but I do like, "I am not going to force a read"

Ive seen far worse in terms of spam, as I dont no your alignment, I dont really care much about your investigation to find a human
being transparent != you are doing things

[Wiisp]

does anybody know how one could replace the papyrus font file on my computer with something more pleasant?

am asking for a friend

^^^

[Wiisp]

wait is there a way to make her font less obnoxious on my end? seriously, im asking for myself, not a friend

[Wiisp]

Last thing I forgot to mention: NeenieKit is around but not posting again.

who is said person in the game?

[Wiisp]

@nom
its really hard to read, ESPECIALLY along side your avatar, its an eyesore

@skygazer whats the font called?

[Wiisp]

omg so much better

[Wiisp]

I looked at the activity overview and didnt notice her name, that was all, i thought she had a different name in the game

[Wiisp]

honestly that first post doesn't at all do Neenie justice, I am putting her on the lower end of the spectrum

[Wiisp]

when was the last time you've seen scum insta fakeclaim miller? the only times i've ever seen D1 miller claims were from town

I've done it, although not in a theme game.

SINCE WE'RE ON THAT MILLER BUSINESS, IS IT BASTARD TO HAVE A MILLER WITHOUT ANY COPS IN THE GAME ACCORDING TO THE COLLECTIVE MAJORITY?

Miller without cop is definitely not bastard.

any real thoughts?

[Wiisp]

any real thoughts?

not atm, I have not had the requisite time to process this

is there something you want me to look at?

nope, I dont want to influence what you decide to do from this point on, I want your natural thoughts when you have them, I want thoughts on who you think is scum, and w/e else you decide at some point in the coming days

[Wiisp]

@Rwby
im insulted, whats your stance on me? idk what a ruru breaker is...

[Wiisp]

Why? Roster hasn't posted. Sofa King gave one RVS post.

Sofa's post wasn't town. And when hydras replace out before anything happens, it's usually scum.

so is there no rule against this type of angle shooting? this is actually quite disgusting, the read doesn't really say much about your alignment, but I'm definitely not ok with a read like this

secondly, I don't really think there was much of anything alignment indictive coming out of that post unless you want to clarify what you thought of his entrance? or link me to where you stated your opinion on it?

[Wiisp]

actually no, that was horrendous
VOTE: Papyrus

[Wiisp]

this is why hydra's are annoying, also i agree with #371 @hot

[Wiisp]

Im gunna roleplay as the Rwby hybrid, and I want the heads of the hybrid to tell me why you think this behavior is townie...

"Hey im just checking in and see how many heads are doing" -Yang
"Hey im just checking in, not gunna post anything unless I am ask, or want to voice my opinion"
"Hey just checking in" -Ruby

WS is probably the saving grace for your slot right now, and its still not enough to remove my scum lean on you

[Wiisp]

Im gunna roleplay as the Rwby hybrid, and I want the heads of the hybrid to tell me why you think this behavior is townie...

"Hey im just checking in and see how many heads are doing" -Yang
"Hey im just checking in, not gunna post anything unless I am ask, or want to voice my opinion"
"Hey just checking in" -Ruby

WS is probably the saving grace for your slot right now, and its still not enough to remove my scum lean on you

the second quote came from blake

[Wiisp]

@Wiisp

, how much mafia experience do you have? Off-site or otherwise?

2 years now?

30> games between MU, MTGS, MAL, Starcraft 2 Mafia

[Wiisp]

What's your experience with hydras?

Ive played only games where we were all hydras, or none were

[Wiisp]

What is your read on Sky currently?

still the same

[Wiisp]

Why did you unvote her then

dont like papyrus ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I want him gone after the horrible read on sofa king's slot, I dont think that thought process ever comes from town
and i am not worried about teams right now, so if me if your next question is why am I voting with sky, then my answer will because they are both individually scum

[Wiisp]

Regardless, why would you prefer to be on either nomnomnom or Papyrus vs. building a large wagon to start the day off—on a supposed scum read of yours—that already has good momentum?

what scum motivation do i have for moving myself off a wagon, which i happily want dead? or do you think im unable to play mafia at an efficient level with bussing? cause thats the only reason you can call me mafia from that.

I forgot about my nom vote, rip
Im pretty sure I saw a response that made me feel better about that slot, cant remember tho
i didnt dodge anything, it just slipped my mind

How are you using my own arguement against me... xD

[Wiisp]

Regardless, why would you prefer to be on either nomnomnom or Papyrus vs. building a large wagon to start the day off—on a supposed scum read of yours—that already has good momentum?

what scum motivation do i have for moving myself off a wagon, which i happily want dead? or do you think im unable to play mafia at an efficient level without bussing? cause thats the only reason you can call me mafia from that.

I forgot about my nom vote, rip
Im pretty sure I saw a response that made me feel better about that slot, cant remember tho
i didnt dodge anything, it just slipped my mind

How are you using my own arguement against me... xD

Edited

[Wiisp]

I can probably find stronger reasons to vote many others in this game, but dont care enough atm

[Wiisp]

@dannflor
why exactly would I be scared of that scenario at any moment in this game, why are you arguing the dismantlement of a train less than 2 days means that scum if any at all were on that train, are trying to save face.

Nope, did I say I did?

one of my earlier posts, was I wanted the sky train to keep growing to see people reacted, and now you are arguing I jump off to again, save face?

[Wiisp]

@dannflor

Is Sky at a lean scum or strong scum read for you then? Do you think the wagon on her is bad?

I was fully awake like 2 hours ago, why do I gotta play 20 questions at 1 am *cries*

two of the people on her train are at the null level, and I've already expressed I like Brown Eye's posts... so from a probability perspective, it's not amazing

The question is me hearing out one of my scum leans, which is something I do a lot, im a human being I can be wrong, especially this early on, and tunnels are bad... Tbh I didnt have much of a thought process, I wanted more serious posts from Nom, and voting her seemed to be the best way of doing, are you arguing that my questions are fake? because they most certainly arent...

Theres literally no reason for me to try to control anything as scum, I think you are nitpicking at my posts, trying to catch someone like me on a micro level wont work, I dont slip

[Wiisp]

And I think you stating you want the train to grow but also leaving it is also bad ???

now who is misrepping you

[Wiisp]

And I think you stating you want the train to grow but also leaving it is also bad ???

now who is misrepping who

*edit

[Wiisp]

why exactly would I be scared of that scenario at any moment in this game, why are you arguing the dismantlement of a train less than 2 days means that scum if any at all were on that train, are trying to save face.

Nope, did I say I did?

one of my earlier posts, was I wanted the sky train to keep growing to see people reacted, and now you are arguing I jump off to again, save face?

You're misrepping me. I'm not arguing that because someone jumped off the wagon they must be scum trying to save face. I'm arguing that the specific way you jumped off the wagon was scummy.

You said something made you feel better about the Sky slot and I was wondering how much better.

if I did, I dont feel like finding it right now, ask me later in the day

[Wiisp]

@dannflor
well you have to believe my questions are fake, since you called me town because I looked like was scum hunting lol, and on a macro level I am transparently town
Im not painting you as anything, Im not even voting you... Im way past the level-0 play of voting people who think I am scum, because most if not all the time, I am just pushed by town

my AtE isnt working, time for plan B

either you are twisting my words, or I worded it poorly, I wanted sky's train to grow, and idk how any context makes me look scummy moving my vote from his train

that was in regards to Nom, not sky

you also cant argue that sky is town, in any world where I am scum, in no world does mafia ever need to pull his vote off sky, unless they are buddies and he tried to push an early train to create some early distancing, which is bad unless you can find good reason to pull off

[Wiisp]

@dannflor
well you have to believe my questions are fake, since you called me town because I looked like was scum hunting lol, and on a macro level I am transparently town
Im not painting you as anything, Im not even voting you... Im way past the level-0 play of voting people who think I am scum, because most if not all the time, I am just pushed by town

my AtE isnt working, time for plan B

either you are twisting my words, or I worded it poorly, I wanted sky's train to grow, and idk how any context makes me look scummy moving my vote from his train

that was in regards to Nom, not sky

you also cant argue that sky is town, in any world where I am scum, in no world does mafia ever need to pull his vote off sky, unless they are buddies and he tried to push an early train to create some early distancing, which is bad unless you can find good reason to pull off

correction, the only world you can argue I am scum in, is the one where both me and sky are scum together, in response to my 3rd point
contradictions are towny btw

[Wiisp]

I wanted sky's train to grow, and idk how any context makes me look scummy moving my vote from his train

This is explicitly what I don't understand

How do you justify jumping off the wagon while simultaneously wanting it to grow? You're working against what you say you want

guess i just wanted to move on?

[Wiisp]

Like you are arguing, with context its scummy, and I am arguing its not unless me and sky are both scum, and in that case you should still be voting sky
its just sad that one vote made you 180 your read on me, thats not a very healthy play style, if a really scummy player makes one good post, i wouldnt expect you to 180 your read on him, so why would 180 a town read off of one post?

@neenie
im wondering if its more so, "we are both town", rather than, "you are both probably town", and you are trying to hide the fact that you know are alignment, just a bit of tmi, I think,
and tonally it sounds like mafia just trying to pretend they care... maybe im wrong

@Dann
im sorry, if someone made that read on MTGS, or my site, they would be warned, that sort of angley read is so beyond scummy, and I'm trying to figure out if reads like that are meta here.
Also, I dont think anything AI came out of sofa kings entrance

[Wiisp]

now im awake again because of Dann... and i have class in the morning

[Wiisp]

im just kinda stuck on the thought if Papyrus really believes that read or not, because it would definitely mean a lot
I cant see how town votes someone off such weak reasoning, than later adds even poorer reasoning to justify putting the vote back there
even if he didnt vote originally, my point still stands

[Wiisp]

im just kinda stuck on the thought if Papyrus really believes that read or not, because it would definitely mean a lot
I cant see how town votes someone off such weak reasoning, than later adds even poorer reasoning to justify putting the vote back there
even if he didnt vote originally, my point still stands

Most times I've seen hydras replace out in this way, it's been scum. I even did it myself. What's so difficult to understand about this?

you could very well be right for the weong reasons, but I'm never going to think you are town for pushing that reason, or ever vote someone for that reasoning

Ur latter question isn't relevant to the thread but I'll answer it anyways, I'm in my final semester of my computer science bachelor's

Anyways, going to sleep

[Wiisp]

@pap
There is a major difference between scum reading a slot due to their previous holder, and what you are doing, its dumb to drop you read because of a replacement, but does that mean you should be asking them questions like, why did he do this, or why did he do that? And then on an even more OGi level, you are attacking why he replaced out? That's a yikes from me, I guess you can be town in some world, but I don't buy that, that is a natural thought process

[Wiisp]

Ya I'm not getting town vibes from roster from his entrance, dont be like Roster plz

[Wiisp]

There is no reason for Pap to have been scum reading Sofa or his slot at the time, and his vote coupled with the reasoning is poor beyond the word, he can be town, and be correct on the slot's alignment, but not for any of the reasons he's stated, I think there is scum! equity in roster from how he entered the game, but I could see a world where Pap is bussing a possible partner for fake reasons or reasons that are awfully reachy

I think there's a chance that all 3 of these wagons are town, at least more so, sky and hot because of the way votes grew on them, unless they are being bussed, roster is another story, he's at about 40% based on his entrance

Pink is another slot that's null, I need to hear more from him, I feel like his post as a tonal feel that doesn't align with the statement, but it's still too early to tell

There's also enough people reading sky as town vs scum to believe that someone is probably wrong, and I think it's wrong to come in and call any of these trains obvious town, without looking at their posts, or making reasons to justify it.

[Wiisp]

Why because, it feels like he is just posting to look town, his posts don't feel real, and he's evaluated 1/8 of the game and dipped, if he wanted to hunt he could wait till he had real reads, and not try to force his presence the way he did

[Wiisp]

Yeah Papyrus wagon is fucking horrible.
Why does it exist in the first place?

-Hajime

why exactly is the wagon hot garbage? I think it's scummy as shit, and it discredits the reason why people are voting there, and says absolutely jack shit about your alignment.

Who should we be voting? You aren't even pushing the wagon you are

[Wiisp]

Pretty sure Rooster just does that as Rooster.

k

[Wiisp]

I hate hydras... What's the point of even exiting if only one head is gunna play the game, all is does is make evaluating the slot even harder

@GoT
But you didn't argue the train, you called it hot garbage, that's discrediting without reason, don't confuse the too, reasoning is the defining reason for why we do the things we do in mafia, so lack of, doesnt convince anyone that your opinion is correct

So you a trolling or are you solving? You cant argue that you doing things, and then refer to yourself as the troll

Ohh mechanical reasons, interesting

[Wiisp]

(Plus, I blatantly asked Vedith why people were voting Papy in the first place, so I was being very blatant about discrediting people in Papyrus wagon without even knowing their reasons.)

- Hajime

ok, and what does that tell any of us?

[Wiisp]

I play mafia to win lol, having fun is the by product, I wouldn't be playing mafia if I didn't find some sort of enjoyment in it, but that comes from my excitement in solving games

@hajime
Ya I don't see at all what you are arguing at this point, you can tell me w/e you want, and I can still not understand where you are coming from...

Also if you are gunna troll then stick to trolling, because when you randomly get serious it feels as if you are making sure you look town, which is scummy
As of right now I'm not really getting that vibe though, it's doubtful you even read most of the game, so idk why you are trying to discredit a train. I'm really good at this game though, and I'm quite sure you are just town.

[Wiisp]

I think Wiisp is just town ?

you would be correct my good sir

[Wiisp]

@pap
Imagine talking to a child that keeps asking why over and over, like it's so easy for mafia to hide in a read like that, it can be a TMI read as in if he is mafia you are aligned, or you can honestly believe that, that read works %100, and I'd probably have less respect for a player of they replaced out on a regular do to what alignments they rolled...

Go read his recent posts, and build a read off that, hypothetically speaking, imagine coming into a slot, that was scum read, and everypost moving forward from that slot is towny, yet you are still living in a world where he's obvious scum, tldr: your justifying a vote for bad reasons, your alignment can be up in the air, but that mindset is never healthy or helpful in solving a game, and just leads to tunnels

[Wiisp]

Illogical nature of that aside, it has a deeper flaw, which is that saying "don't do X, it's scummy" is probably based on a misunderstanding of what "scummy" is... because if it's not, then you're explicitly asking someone to make themself harder to read, which is mystifying.

I mean everything is subjective to someone...
So what's the conclusion, what does mystifying mean?

I think trolling 8/10 times comes from town, the combination of the two tends to be 50/50, and being super serious, tends to come from scum more than town, that's my opinion, and you don't have to believe it, but it's doubtful you can tell me how I think is wrong

[Wiisp]

It's unnatural to me, because never in my life of playing mafia, have I ever seen anyone make a read like that, outside one time, and that one person was mafia, and I've argued my thoughts on the matter, which may or may not answer you question directly, but at this point I'm over it

[Wiisp]

Mystifying means confusing. What confuses me is why you would ask someone not to do something scummy, when them doing something scummy would help you read them better.

read them better? Seems more like you want me to allow them to be scummy so you can push there, idk how a town person makes a post like this

VOTE: something_smart

I want you to be shot in the night, but I don't necessarily think you will 100% flip scum @pap

@GoT
You are right, there is a context and personality, it defines everything in mafia, if everything was one-demensional, mafia would be an easy game. How exactly do you catch mafia, if you hedge on everything?

[Wiisp]

@something
Really every behavior, is either scummy or not? Lmao, what a world you live in

We got GoT who hedges on everything, and you who thinks we live a world of only black and white

And ya I made that statistic up, context is a huge part of that

[Wiisp]

@something
Yes it most cases I think town are more likely to do scum things, because they are less self-aware for the most part

What are your reads, you've talk a lot of theory, and shaded a couple people

[Wiisp]

So no reads yet, but you have the time argue game theory with me, what's your read on me again?

[Wiisp]

@something
Really every behavior, is either scummy or not? Lmao, what a world you live in

Yes. Everything you do as scum is either (a) something you would do as town or (b) something you would not do as town. There's no third option. That doesn't mean that an external observer can always differentiate between the two.

So which category do you fall under, town doing town things, or scum trying to do town things, I think it's the latter, and that people should vote you

[Wiisp]

That's why I believe super serious players are more likely to be scum

@Pap
I mean I did state several times that I don't think that thought process comes from either alignment, just that I think here it does because of how you went about it, there was no reason at the time to scum read sofa, there is more reason to scum read his slot now, which you haven't even talked about

[Wiisp]

AtE can be AI, depends on the player and context

[Wiisp]

@Nom
What do you think I fall under?

[Wiisp]

I'm in school right now, I can't respond to everything give me some time

[Wiisp]

@Nom
What do you think I fall under?

I THINK I HAVE A ROUGH IDEA, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR SELF-ASSESSMENT ON THAT. IT WOULD HELP!!!

fair enough

I'll get to that, as well as Something's most recent post when I get a chance

[Wiisp]

Something tells me I'm gunna be the night kill tonight, *cries*

[Wiisp]

@mafia
Pap claimed a PR, kill him first plz

[Wiisp]

VOTE: roster

[Wiisp]

@pink
Can I get one of your scum at least? Plz?

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Wiisp

Yikes, is it my lack of clarification, say yes

[Wiisp]

@pink
Can I get one of your scum at least? Plz?

I don't have scums, they're not my property

Lmao... You solve the game though, how much would it cost for one of their names?

[Wiisp]

@pap
So it's almost like your read on roster's slot was fake, or you are buddies, both things I have stated, very interesting indeed

[Wiisp]

1. Meta read
2. Substance is Def subjective, which their is a lack of
3. More meta... Neat

[Wiisp]

@pink
Can I get one of your scum at least? Plz?

I don't have scums, they're not my property

Lmao... You solve the game though, how much would it cost for one of their names?

Let's play a game: give me a name and I'll tell you if you're right or wrong

is it me?

[Wiisp]

just dropping in to mention that im skimming today but will be back tonight, we're prepping for a festival all week so its a little hectic

probs gonna be the same deal every day this week

yikes

[Wiisp]

No, Wiisp. I'm reevaluating in light of Roster's behavior & the fact that TTTT apparently flaked from all his games.

I'm also concerned about Roster's survival because he's easily mislynchable as town & I don't like the growing pressure on him after he started posting, especially from you when a second ago you were calling me scum for voting him.

So he's probably town because of me, interesting
It's almost like I asked you prior to re-evaluate Roster off his behavior

And that replacing is NAI, who would've thought

Anyways gotta clock in for work

[Wiisp]

Since when 3p talk anything that town cares about day, it's unnecessary, and close to fear mongering

@dann
I've expressed thoughts on the nature of his posts, and how they felt to me

[Wiisp]

I actually like pink, he's pretty care free, outside of a few statements which I don't like

[Wiisp]

But I am obvious town

[Wiisp]

Pink's focus on third party is scummy, and Wiisp ignoring that doesn't feel natural at all.

X a few statements, did you miss that part on purpose?

[Wiisp]

@pinkball
Who are you voting?
Also I don't see how the last sentence is anything but an insult, and uncalled for

[Wiisp]

On that note, I do think that Pap is a level-0 player

[Wiisp]

If he shared his solve the game would be less fun

[Wiisp]

Ohh brown eyes is scum, I was wrong
#feelsbad

[Wiisp]

VOTE: browneyes
Sheep me

[Wiisp]

Which Hydra is Nancy on?

[Wiisp]

@clever
My lack of reasons doesn't mean that don't exist, I've already stated this

[Wiisp]

@clever
What are you arguing is NAI in the above post?

[Wiisp]

@dann
So I'm at the point where I think the clever/brown are w/w for individual reasons

Still uncertain who that I've pushed outside them is actually scum, or if it's someone else that's in my town core

I'm pinging you because I'm like 99.999% sure you are town

[Wiisp]

@everyone

I would like everyone to consolidate on either clever or brown eyes, I'm voting brown eyes, but I'm more sure of clever at this point, if you look at her posts you can see someone who doesn't care about evaluating the game, is answering posts that have been answered or really don't even need a response, lack of real stances, recommend death today, highest chance of flipping scum based on content

[Wiisp]

I will get to my reasoning on brown eyes when I get home

[Wiisp]

@clever
Is this a fucking challenge... I'm excited xD xD xD
Haven't gotten a chance to bury someone in a while

[Wiisp]

@dann
So I'm at the point where I think the clever/brown are w/w for individual reasons

Still uncertain who that I've pushed outside them is actually scum, or if it's someone else that's in my town core

I'm pinging you because I'm like 99.999% sure you are town

What? Why?

sorry I don't speak to lock scum

[Wiisp]

Actually we still have more than a week, maybe I can get you to spew your partners or you can give one one, I promise I'll Lynch them first

[Wiisp]

I will get to my reasoning on brown eyes when I get home

Can’t wait. Is it as useful as your read on me?

yikes

[Wiisp]

SC2 isnt my homesite, I dont have any alts, i go by the same name on every site
@clever
tbf I like your confidence, but in trying to be cute, you just come off as scummier, and the blatant shade of me in your last post, speaks louder than you think in terms of your alignment

[Wiisp]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthrea ... -Immortals
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthrea ... timmy+town
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/19988
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/pr ... mid=235919
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1769696&show=0
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1766616

[Wiisp]

wtf is #808...

[Wiisp]

I will get to my reasoning on brown eyes when I get home

Can’t wait. Is it as useful as your read on me?

yikes

You think I’m kidding here? I’m 100% serious.

[Wiisp]

SC2 isnt my homesite, I dont have any alts, i go by the same name on every site
@clever
tbf I like your confidence, but in trying to be cute, you just come off as scummier, and the blatant shade of me in your last post, speaks louder than you think in terms of your alignment

Sure, if you haven’t been reading my posts. SC 2 was a game, you claimed to have played in, not a site or did I misunderstand that?

sc2 is a site... :wotface:
ive linked several games...

here is one of Nancy's scum games
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/com ... -game-over

[Wiisp]

woops linked my role pm for the second MU game, heres the thread
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/20513

[Wiisp]

im going to take a shower, getting to brown eyes tonight requires me to finish my homework first, or if I actually feel like it

[Wiisp]

I will get to my reasoning on brown eyes when I get home

Can’t wait. Is it as useful as your read on me?

yikes

You think I’m kidding here? I’m 100% serious.

I’m not watching dumb videos. Again, do you not think I’m being serious? Yes or no?

Do I need to keep repeating this or are you being deliberately obtuse here?

you just insulted my intelligence, so yes im doing this on purpose, the only way im getting off you is if I die today

[Wiisp]

SC2 isnt my homesite, I dont have any alts, i go by the same name on every site
@clever
tbf I like your confidence, but in trying to be cute, you just come off as scummier, and the blatant shade of me in your last post, speaks louder than you think in terms of your alignment

Sure, if you haven’t been reading my posts. SC 2 was a game, you claimed to have played in, not a site or did I misunderstand that?

sc2 is a site... :wotface:
ive linked several games...

here is one of Nancy's scum games
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/com ... -game-over

I thought you were an alt of a player in Starcraft 2 but I couldn’t figure out who’s. While you’re at it, you might also want to link the previous towngame I played in before that one. Is there some reason, you’ve neglected to mention that?

OMG, you’re not fucking Gemma are you? God, I hoped I’d never have to play with you ever again.

lmao gemma was a major yikes in that game haha, my tag is Wisp I literally every site, also I dont think ive played any other games with you

[Wiisp]

@nom
well your flavor name is clearly evident in your font style, its hard to say what your alignment is based off that character alone, could go either way
interesting vote btw, I like the attention

[Wiisp]

im quite sure hot is town here, his post's give no indication of an agenda on a reread, neenie is a totally different story...

[Wiisp]

@nom
well your flavor name is clearly evident in your font style,

its hard to say what your alignment is based off that character alone

, could go either way

????

the dude was misguided but still evil in a way through much of the game, if an alignment was that easily obtainable from a RP, I doubt it would even exist, also its possible its just a fake claim, I'm not going to read your alignment off of mechanical information that's disgusting

[Wiisp]

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/com ... ip?page=43

why did you link this game?

[Wiisp]

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/com ... ip?page=43

why did you link this game?

ahh i see you were replaced, nvm

[Wiisp]

Too bad theres probably never a world where we are both town this game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Wiisp]

Too bad theres probably never a world where we are both town this game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you’re probably town, bad town but I think still town.

Honestly I'm so good at mafia, its actually baffling to be insulted, its never gone well for the opposing player regardless of their alignment. I can't say the same for you, I can tell you think highly of yourself, and it probably irks you that I caught you this early.

[Wiisp]

I also find it interesting that you havent voted anyone yet, so I dont see how you can argue that you've taken any hard stances

[Wiisp]

Yay the game started! Fun fun fun fun fun fun fun!

PB rolled scum again.



Do you understand any of this mercy stuff?

eww, that post wasn't ballbusting enough

to clarify, i have MAYBE 3 townreads

cerb

, what's the benefit from trying to figure out which head is who?

~Yang

That isn’t Cerb, because I have meta on all of you, less on Arkarin, and it’s a bit of a pain in the ass, trying to remember which “name” is which.

At any rate, I figured out 3. Weiss=Krazy, Ank=Blake, Yang=obviously you and the remaining one is Arkarin. You’re welcome.

I haven’t discussed reads yet. I woke up, just as he was going to sleep, so he’ll probably be here later.

Who?

I think you, Brown eyes and Wiisp, for now.

Why havent you voted pink yet?
also is the bottom list in the second quote, scum leans or town leans? if its the prior, the same question, why haven't you voted yet?

[Wiisp]

Too bad theres probably never a world where we are both town this game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you’re probably town, bad town but I think still town.

Honestly I'm so good at mafia, its actually baffling to be insulted, its never gone well for the opposing player regardless of their alignment. I can't say the same for you, I can tell you think highly of yourself, and it probably irks you that I caught you this early.

These kind of reaction tests don’t really work on me anymore. It’s a shame really.

I can see that (though its not much of a reaction test, more so a statement, I don't think you can convince me your town anymore), so I agree that it's going to be hard to lynch you, I might have to focus on your partners first

[Wiisp]

@Nancy
both fair points, and 2 week, day phases give us a lot of time to figure shit out, I dont agree though that your self meta says anything that should make people read you as town, you can call it NAI behavior, but its w/e
You really arent pushing anything, is your playstyle to wait for wolves to slip? Voting is towns primarily tool, as well as mafia, but mafia like to be more stingy with their votes

[Wiisp]

P.edit. I mean, ISO my games.

can you give me some MU games to ISO, they are easier to ISO than MTGS is

[Wiisp]

So which category do you fall under, town doing town things, or scum trying to do town things, I think it's the latter, and that people should vote you

Well right now I am probably in the category of "doing things I'd do as town or scum," which means that the objectively correct read on me would be null.

I don't know if I'd be able to match my town thoughts exactly as scum, probably depends if I have a good or bad day.

What's your reason for thinking I'm scum attempting to emulate town thoughts rather than just town giving genuine thoughts? Keep in mind, the thoughts themselves wouldn't change-- they represent my actual opinion on mafia that is bigger than my alignment in this game.

in what world would you ever call your own thoughts fake anyways? Mafia theory doesn't solve the game unless you apply it to the game, which I don't see you don't here, arguing that its "bigger than your alignment", is just trying to sound intelligence, and it doesn't tell me anything about you this game. There are only two arguments to be made to defend yourself if you are scum and being pushed on, you logically break down their case and hand them a good rebuttal, or you just argue everything they say is NAI. Actually, a 3rd way, would be, you know?, actually solving the game, which I don't see here...

also calling your thoughts fake is probably the wrong word, your thoughts can be real, and still not come from town, so they are fake in that sense... Your thoughts don't lead to much of anything, they are just thoughts, very little conclusions, that should answer your question, you can either argue I'm wrong or go and prove me wrong

[Wiisp]

ISO Brown eyes, and all of her posts, are just walls, of thoughts, actually her first post as a conclusion, buts sort of an outlier

Skygazer's opening seems pretty awkward. Wiisp already pretty much said what I was thinking. Only with regards to Skygazer though, can't say I really agree with townreading someone just for that kind of opening.

VOTE: Skygazer



I think RWBY and GOT's argument seems like a simple misunderstanding. Can't really see any scum motivation in anything there.

Her thoughts on Sky being awkward, I can get behind, but she had to state it was mostly my thoughts she was sheeping, so not as much townie points as it should deserve
Kind of wish she broke down the argument here, instead of just stating it as a misunderstanding, which feels like shes TMI'g them town

The rest of her posts are just walls, which most but not all mafia like to hide behind

Hey, everyone. There's a bit too many posts for my liking and I have to admit that I skimmed a lot of the discussion between Wiisp and Dannflor. I don't exactly feel like I could go in-depth with direct responses to posts, but I have been keeping notes for myself, so I figured I'd share a bit.

Spoiler:

Town:
Shining Dreamers
NeenieKit
nom
Dannflor
Team RWBY
Papyrus
Roster
Wiisp (?)

Who's left:
Skygazer
Reasonably Clever
Shiidaji
Pink Ball
Game of Throws
Something_Smart
Vedith
Hot Lightning

I had Reasonably Clever as town before, but have since decided that it might be best to hold off on that until I see more.

I still believe that Skygazer is the most likely person by far to flip scum and it distresses me to see people say otherwise. Apart from that, I suppose the two next most likely people to be scum that I see are Pink Ball and Vedith. Neither are as strong as Skygazer, however.

Pink Ball I felt like entered the thread with the intent of getting townread through charisma and real time interactions with people rather than actually trying to solve. I think that's a fairly straightforward way to put it.
For Vedith, I guess it's just that I don't really like the way he's called Skygazer town. Maybe that's unreasonable, but still.

Hot Lightning my opinion has not changed on, but I haven't really had a good opportunity to reread anything they've said to get a clearer opinion.

--

The next people I'd like to be able to townread and move to the Town list if they're town are Reasonably Clever, Shiidaji, Game of Throws and Something Smart. All of them I'd like to either hear more from or need to reread.

maybe its just me, i just have a thing against walls trying to convey so many thoughts all at once, rather than focusing on one thing at a time, which I find to be scummy
also if you read her iso, shes simultaneously arguing for Sky's lynch but also defending her, its weird
This post in general has a blanket read list, with instantiations on only a few, mostly in regards to Skygazer still being lock scum
Associating Vedith with Sky, for take a guess, calling Sky town
Her opinion on Hot was never stated, only that outside Sky he can probably be scum, with no explanation
Talks about Pink, doesnt give a conclusion, why did she choose to add her thoughts on that slot, if she didnt plan on a conclusion, if not just to add more thoughts for the sake of thoughts
I think if i was to look at worlds, her thoughts on the clever hydra could be distancing

I am interested in if she had does what she states shes going to do at the bottom of this post

This is an associative read between me and Reasonably Clever? I'm interested to hear that.

she quoted my post, stating that clever and her were w/w for individual reasons, and then turned it into an association read, sure...

[Wiisp]

@shining
I see you trying to set up chain lynches, im watching you...

[Wiisp]

still think that both the hot train and sky train, have voters on them that said nothing more than they are scum for either no reasons, or very simplistic reasons

[Wiisp]

still think that both the hot train and sky train, have voters on them that said nothing more than they are scum for either no reasons, or very simplistic reasons

correction im dumb, hot only has one person on him and thats roster, the roster train looks pretty clean, I actually like Hot

[Wiisp]

hello yes kisses you can call me Shii

I feel like I have a happy stash of town leans. Sky and RWBY do not fall within this group.

any knew thoughts?

[Wiisp]

I think my train is clean, probably
and I also think the something train is quite clean

[Wiisp]

Im quite sure one of the town readers of me is probably scum, I need to accumulate all of them when I get a chance

[Wiisp]

@sky
what are your reads

@Brown
honestly no, your conclusion wasn't obvious in regards to pink ball, it was never hard stated
w/w means your probably both wolves, but it doesn't mean its an association, an association would be me calling you wolf, because I think clever is wolf, and she is town reading you, making you a wolf

[Wiisp]

@sky
stop with the whys, and tell me your thoughts, jesus...

[Wiisp]

who would possibly be the flavor for the 4 scum anyways?
Chara, and the robot? the knight?

[Wiisp]

VOTE: unvote

[Wiisp]

maybe it is sky?
VOTE: sky
#911 is kinda lackluster

[Wiisp]

@Sky
i didnt really mind the Pap, and Nom scum reads, but you lost me at, "basically anyone that's been kinda lurking in the shadows that i haven't noticed"

[Wiisp]

anyways im going to sleep, i probably did overreact the Brown's post that I quoted...

[Wiisp]

Skygazer (5): Wiisp, Papyrus, Brown Eyes, Shiidaji, Sofa King
Game of Throws (3): Skygazer, Dannflor, Team RWBY
Sofa King (1): Hot Lightning
Team RWBY (1): Game of Throws
Not Voting: Shining Dreamers, Reasonably Clever, Pink Ball, Something_Smart, NeenieKit, nomnomnom, Vedith

Taking bets now!
Assuming Skygazer's scum:
NUMBER OF SCUM BUSSING SKYGAZER: (0-3)
NUMBER OF SCUM ON SKYGAZER'S COUNTERWAGON: (1-3)
NUMBER OF SCUM VANITY VOTING: (0-2)
NUMBER OF SCUM NOT VOTING YET: (0-3)

Place your bets now!

(Personally I favor something like 1-1-0-2 or 2-1-0-1.)

probably one wolf between Rwby and GoT, honestly they are both hybrids, so seeing one of them die today, wouldnt even bother me
more leaning towards Rwby, #78 was a horrendous omgus
or maybe its just v/v, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the sky train is growing quite fast, I like the early pressure
@sky, who are the scum on your train if any, in the world where you are town?

Legit thought Wiisp was town before this post but this post is singlehandedly the most-likely-busser-on-Skygazer-award hands down.

wiisp can be town even if i havent agreed with anything theyve said so far
:l

You too? Why?
-m

...Because they're scumbuddies we won't lynch for another two or three day phases at earliest?

these combinations of posts could come from a world where sky and shining are w/w, and hes tming her as scum, and trying to chain a lynch on me when/if she flips

[Wiisp]

@rwby
Nah, I just over reacted to brown, but Nancy's slot is playing scummy, and idk why I should have to use meta to read a scummy player as town... Ur slot just just spent 4-5 posts talking to urself and shading me... I liked ur slot, as of recent, but it's still to early to add you to my towncore

@Dann
I can agree somewhat, one of the reasons why I stayed off the sky train

[Wiisp]

I thought Blake was talking to her other heads in some of those posts, on reread though, that's not the case, lol

Sorry I just woke up

[Wiisp]

@Nancy
both fair points, and 2 week, day phases give us a lot of time to figure shit out, I dont agree though that your self meta says anything that should make people read you as town, you can call it NAI behavior, but its w/e
You really arent pushing anything, is your playstyle to wait for wolves to slip? Voting is towns primarily tool, as well as mafia, but mafia like to be more stingy with their votes

I usually don’t have strong scumreads early on D1 if at all but I’m really good at telling if a wolf is pushing me. In a few rare cases, I’ve caught wolfy-acting scum based on tone. Larges are hardest for me in general because there’s so many players to sort. I’m usually best at minis but as the game goes on, I usually obvtown it later in the game. That becomes blatantly obvious because my reads, especially scumreads get stronger.

It’s rare for me not to have at least a few townreads, because my strength early game is in building townblocks as opposed to scumhunting.

I’m very frustrated with Ank in mean girls hydra, because when she obvtowns it, she has the best chance to lead town to a scum lynch if town and I do think that hydra’s probably town.

this rarely happens on day one

I usually need flips to start having accurate pushes :V

-Blake

Do people still live in the world where they need lynches, to accurately solve the game? Yikes...

VOTE: Skygazer

why?

[Wiisp]

12 heads... Wat in the literal fuck...

[Wiisp]

still think that both the hot train and sky train, have voters on them that said nothing more than they are scum for either no reasons, or very simplistic reasons

That is very very interesting
Let me make it even more interesting by stating that mcqueen slot is town while stating absolutely no reasons at all.

- Hajime

Idk who that is?

[Wiisp]

@nom
So what happens once you catch a human?

[Wiisp]

@nom
Also to answer a previous question, what kind of player am I? I'm a combination of a structural player and a creative player but more towards the structural side. I like analyzing known scum tells, they exist because they are correct more often than not, I don't mind placing empty votes, and I am not afraid to make early cases on people, even if they are wrong... Sometimes I'm not always the best at interpreting posts, which leads to the what happened with Brown Eyes. My play style is my own unique style, but I take some of my playstyle from Newcomb and Tom. I'd rather produce content then wait for others to produce content for me

@blake
You talking about me? If so then yes, I'm not a fan of informational lynches... Which in turn means I hate players who have to rely on the next day phase, to help them solve what they could've done yesterday

@Nom
I think if you aren't mafia aligned, then you become it if you capture a human, or maybe you are a flavor cop, kinda early to tell, honestly it doesn't matter really, I don't think in any world you get lynched today, but I'm not having the easiest time in figuring your alignment, and I refuse to give you a mechanical clear

@Cerb
I fluff all the time,being super serious all the time is draining

[Wiisp]

@Nom
I think if you aren't mafia aligned, then you become it if you capture a human, or maybe you are a flavor cop, kinda early to tell, honestly it doesn't matter really, I don't think in any world you get lynched today, but I'm not having the easiest time in figuring your alignment, and I refuse to give you a mechanical clear

THE PUZZLE DEEPENS!!!
OR MAYBE IT'S SIMPLER THAN THAT???

Could be an executioner that's looking for humans to Lynch, which I hope not, because I hate any sort of jester or exe because they play to make the game unfun for everyone else

[Wiisp]

As I said in the OP, flavor is alignment indicative.

Thanks!

Papyrus, I thought nomnomnom was a Lyncher, who's Lynchee would be a human, either Chara or Frisk or maybe any of them. The Lyncher Wiki says that there are games where the Lyncher doesn't get a player name, but a player's role without knowing who they are. But Papyrus (the role, not you) being town is more likely, don't you think?

WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT LYNCHING A HUMAN???

u must take me, for some who cares enough to be self aware, and look back for answers, but thanks

Doesn't really answer the question though?

[Wiisp]

@cerb
First of all, don't insult the sites I've played on, secondly day 1's most if not all the time end in a town Lynch, I've seen plenty of scum lynches but not too many, and I'm not insulting players abilities to play scum or town, I am speaking my mind on how it's bad play to not even try to solve day 1... Honestly if that's how you feel, then who the fuck cares who gets lynched day 1?

[Wiisp]

Yeah who the fuck cares

Lol

[Wiisp]

@cerb
Let's agree to fucking disagree then
I find it hypocritical you are gunna cry wolf on yours or anyone else's behalf over direct or indirect insults, I'm glad you learned everything you needed about my Homesite off one post, and generalized it's playerbase... Also I'm not really hear to make friends, I try my best to be a decent human being though...

Who is this very capable town player, and how did I indirectly call them terrible? Also what does that say about my alignment, does that say anything about their alignment?

[Wiisp]

Gunna take a step back in this thread, I think i'm a very capable player and I don't think I should be looked at differently just because you don't know me

[Wiisp]

Also bump #975

[Wiisp]

I'm confused.

Isn't nom pretty much a confirmed town at this point?

- Guess who

nope

[Wiisp]

If flavor == alignment, and nom is post restricted to post in Papyrus font...

As far as we know...

His post restriction isn't confirmed, I honestly don't think Pap's alignment is as obvious as you think, mafia have fake claims, and he hasn't done much of solving or deep thoughts, like clever has stated

[Wiisp]

Also idk if I said it already but by mcqueen slot I meant Hot Lightning.

Ya that slot is probably town, I forgot why though

[Wiisp]

Towniest is a long shot, but I think you overall tone is townie

And maybe, I'm never touching that slot anytime soon either way

[Wiisp]

@cerb
Fair, he can be good scum hunter but I don't have to agree with his mindset as a whole

Same can be said about me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Wiisp]

You right, they aren't significant and can't be proven in the slightest, so that to me is just shade on my slight. Is it wrong for me to assume based on what I'm seeing this game, that maybe they aren't competent? I'd say yes and no, because attacking the player, is wrong, but Im not attacking the player, I'm attacking their thought process which is on the same level of attacking their play, which is allowed and no where near close to ignorance

[Wiisp]

Can we end this conversation please

-Blake

sure, quite sure that slot is still scum though
And I'll apologize to you if my post came off as an attack

[Wiisp]

I don't like all this talk about lynching town. Anything less than a lynch on scum is a failure on D1.

no one is talking about lynching town, we are stating facts, and that town is lynched day 1 more often than scum... Are you scum? This was a very malicious twisting of the words that were said on the previous pages... Are you trying to sound towny, by acting all badass?

[Wiisp]

I think everyone in this game is severely underestimating what Wiisp is capable of as scum. He reminds me of someone like Flavor Leaf, who spams the thread a lot to the point where you eventually townread something he says but none of it's actually town when you look closer. I'm okay putting him aside for the moment but I disagree with everyone who townreads him.

Or you could actually analyze my posts on a macro level, and not just try to hard paint me as possible scum, just because you, "saw" this type of behavior in another game, low post count doesn't necessarily mean someone is scum, but are you arguing that a high post count does now, it's quality over quantity in both cases, if someone is spaming with non-sense, sure he can be scum trying to flood the thread, but I don't think you can ever argue that's what I am doing