Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void [Game Over]

[Almost50]

Yo! Whassup, gangstas?

FTR, I ain't gonna read no rules (and especially not dat one 'bout usin' tags on videos/large photos). Na'ah! Not gonna read any of dat shit, man.

Oh, and I'm also an important man. I've got connections. Ya mess wit me and it's at your own peril. Ya feel me?

Spoiler: I know Nancy digs my shit, so this one's for her

[Almost50]

Almost, Hydra and Chen are.my top 3 scum reads.
I'm also town locking Alch.
Icon is a null.

Wow. You pegged us all in one go. I guess we'd have to pop you tonight then. Sorry, but you sealed your own fate.

[Almost50]

I have something to claim already, guys, but I’ll do it in a few pages

What? That you're a cannibal? I mean, it says you won a Hannibal Lecter there, so what else could you have to reveal?

P.S. Creature isn't in this game, so you can't fake masons with hi, alright? But if you really really feel the urge to, you have my permission to fake masons with me. Wanna be my mason buddy?

[Almost50]

I’m..uhh...I’m...I’m a miller, guys.

Oh, shit! And there I was asking you to be my mason buddy! Hmmm.. oh, well.

[Almost50]

Vedith-Flavor-RCE-Alchemist town block.

Who else can we throw in there? Not Liger, I think Liger’s probably scum.

A50? I’d be down for that

This guy is TOWN.

Wow FL reading my mind.

This guy is town too.

I'll accept Alch in my town block, but Vedith needs to apologize.

\o/

[Almost50]

If Creature relplaces In, though, I’ll have to switch it

People always talkin' 'bout
Your reputation
I don't care about your other

girls

masons
Just be good to me (oh, oh, oh)

Friends are always tellin' me
You're a user
I don't care what you do to them
Just be good to me (oh, oh, oh)

[Almost50]

VOTE: shadowlesscloud

Scummy entrance.

I concur, tbh. Those broken tags somehow don't belong here.

VOTE: shadowlesscloud

[Almost50]

Before being evil and after being evil?

Before being shot in the face and after

A-ha! So you're probably a Judas! I mean, could also be Traitor but I dunno why the Traitor would change their flavour.

[Almost50]

No, Auro and Nancy are in the hydra. You’re gonna get this thread to blow up just for saying that.

LOL. Funny that I was thinking "It's got Nancy & Pink Ball in it", but that's probably because I can communicate with them better than I can with Auro. (Don't get me wrong.. but we've just been on different sides most recently, Auro)

[Almost50]

I have a terran role pm.

No.

Yes

I do not believe.
I will not believe.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Yo. Why so shitposty everyone? Like, even though I hate RVS, you guys didn't even really bother with that and just said 97% nonsense.

We can add Cerb to town.

What about Croat and Muslim Bosni?

[Almost50]

Almost was already in. I brought him in pages ago. I’ll vouch for him. He’s a cool

cat

monkey

.

Thank you very much (although, I am indeed a cat person)

[Almost50]

I have early town reads on RCE, Vedith, PPG, Alchemist, and Cerberus.

Early scum reads on Liger and Shadow.

I'm of two minds now. I feel pretty good that we have almost identical reads, but -at the same time- suspect that's a sign we might be wrong.

[Almost50]

I suspect that the pastry puff PT is just gifs they can use in game.

Well, only me and Blossom so far. We’re waiting on more Bubbles.

~ Buttercup

You haven't posted any videos yet, which is worrying me a little.

[Almost50]

I am considering changing Rule 4 so that large gifs do not need to be spoilered, within reason. If you object to this potential rule change (i.e., you post by mobile and have a limited data plan), please send me a PM. Please do not discuss this in thread, only PM, thank you. Please send any comments by PM in (expired on 2019-04-14 20:51:19)

I am not reading this post as well. However..

Can I have access to the PPG PT? There's something funny I want to get across to Nancy without saying it in public

P-edit: Not you, Blossom. I want Buttercup's flavour crumbs.

[Almost50]

Here's an example of what I expected BC to post

That's one committed hacking

Spoiler:

P.S. Going through our ISO in that game is PAINFUL. over 1K posts, and some of the videos aren't even available anymore.

Anyway, I think the above was the Kerrigan flavour crumb?? And If I recall correct Varsoon was the infested Kerrigan (forgive me if I'm wrong, but I will NOT go through the whole game trying to remember the specific details)

[Almost50]

You wouldn't ever kill me you're best friend :<

Hmmm! You have a point there. OK. You bought yourself a night or two (depending on how soon >I< get popped)

[Almost50]

I think I can guess what Flavor Leaf does for living.
Musician/Actor

I want to take bets on that

What are you talking about? I mean, he's an artist alright.. just not that kind of artist. In the last game I modded him he tried to devour someone then ditch their buddy in an acid container!! THAT is his art.

[Almost50]

Also, Almost, you’re gonna get us both night killed by how scummy you’re playing that you’re just gonna be conf town because no scum plays that way.

Well, I prefer to be NK'd that be promoted as confirmed scum because I don't have oomph, don't you??

OK.. DISREGARD THAT. Let's get lynched instead.

[Almost50]

I would like to place a bet

I'll be the bank.

[Almost50]

That's an IF. But anyway, I can finally declare I'm all caught up. Any questions/comments directed at me will be responded to in my next session.

[Almost50]

Ask A50 what happened the last time he thought he could just let me live when I was lolololol’ing nonsense town playing.

That wasn't me and I would not have let you live. AP is a moron though and he thinks his mojo works on all humans regardless. Don't ever confuse logical me with that moron.

[Almost50]

Are scum this obvious these days or is he just in love with Flavor?

Regardless of my alignment, I won't (and don't even want to) deny I love FL. He is of a charming personality, and he is just as crazy as I am, so I do like playing with him (or in his modded games).

Now, the way you went about this somehow feels like you're genuinely trying to sort me, which means you're town (or -at least- not group scum! Remember I didn't read the rules so I wouldn't know if the game has 3P roles).

[Almost50]

@FL: I'll

assume

Liger to be town for the time being. I'll also try to convince myself PPG are town too. PB takes some time for me to figure (and he's actually capable as scum) but I haven't seen anything that pings me from the slot so far. I

still

wish I could do 1-on-1 with Nancy, but I don't even know how to say what I wanna say to her.

[Almost50]

What front am I putting on? I don’t even know what front I’m putting on.

Also, I don’t know why you keep pushing the A50-Me.

We already claimed. We’re masons.

We’re actually Day 8 Innocent Child Masons.

Day 8, mod flips us both.

I thought you said you didn't want us to claim on D1 and to only crumb it for later.

[Almost50]

how exactly did the posts look genuine, Almost?

You were heading in one direction (pushing me as scum) but suddenly found a post to say that it comes from town. This shows you are genuinely trying to figure my alignment rather than just paint me as scum to push for my lynch.

[Almost50]

Nancy...your towniness...it's...it's....blinding me!!!

And THAT is why I wanted her to post. When she's town she makes it abundantly clear she is and I can move on.

[Almost50]

Wanna be my mason buddy?

Can I take you up on this offer? We got robbed last time.

Don't remind me. 2 Masons shot on the same night was crazy!

[Almost50]

I'm aiming for the top \o/

In Starcraft 1 we could move overnight. Some role could move multiple times I think, but ours (mine & Nancy's hydra) could only move on N1 and then we'd be pivoted.

I don't have the ability to move in this game though, so I sunno waht you mean by the quoted phrase.

[Almost50]

Is there a name for the guy in the opening post or is he a generic unit?

That would be Artanis!

Ank, what's you're read on me? DON'T YOU DARE go check the modding PT before you answer.

[Almost50]

We’re a hydra.

I confirm. I was in a hydra with Nancy in Starcraft 1. Sarah Louise Kerrigan was our flavour.

Spoiler: @Nancy

[Almost50]

I wish they would talk to me more about it but thats more of a whatever thing.

Mate, my case in you was mentioned in the same post I voted you:

VOTE: shadowlesscloud

Scummy entrance.

I concur, tbh.

Those broken tags somehow don't belong here

.

VOTE: shadowlesscloud

Which is referring to this post of yours:

[quote="In [url=viewto
Damn ya caught me, how did ya know? Was it my amazing smile?

This post simply made me feel like it was meant for a different PT or maybe a different game altogether. Now I see ir most likely was a response to 89 which I somehow didn't link it to. (That's why it's a good idea to quote the specific post/phrase) you're responding to it -at least- specify whom you're addressing (like: @

playername

)

UNVOTE:

Now talk to me about the way you intend to plat here (or your general meat if you like, so I can understand how to interpret your moves)

[Almost50]

My assumption is that he is one of those people that when he is town and is pressured he will flip out making him obvious town.

You're right about being unsure because this isn't true. There were special circumstances to that game and you should have realized that. "Our" role needed to survive to day 5 or 6 (I forget which) in order to gain it's new utility which was supposed to be game breaking or something (btw, I never found out what that utility/ability was). I was being promoted as scum for silly reasons (it practically was a tunnel) and the pusher was claiming they know how to read me AND building a narrative that was totally untrue to fit their read (mastina is a co-mod of this game, btw). The push + the playstyle were too much for me to take, and especially so from someone who claimed to have a good grasp of my play.

Now, I do not wish to bring back discussions about that specific game, but I thought this should enlighten you. (Also, let me know if you did find out what utility we would have gained in that game).

OK, in this here game I'd say the majority of the player list would bot let me live too long if they were scum. The only 2 exceptions are FL (and he's confirmed town to me) and Cerb. However, there are also players who are not too familiar with me and may not consider me to be a prime NK target. In fact I have no idea why so many people consider me a good N1/N2 kill anyway. It's just the way it is and I take pride in it being the case.

Oh, and I guess what RCE was saying is I come off as scummy on D1 regardless of my alignment, because -sometimes- I try not to obv!town in a bid to avoid being NK'd. I know some pthers who would argue that I do come off scummy regardless of what plan I have on my mind. Even when I'm trying to

bait

I still come off scummy to some (and it won't stop the real scum from killing me still).

I hope that answered most of your questions.

[Almost50]

I buy this.

How much? Cuz I already have a buyer from South America and he's bidding a small fortune on it already.

[Almost50]

Are you ignoring the part where I said "replaced in, didn't read much of his posts except the circumstances around his replace out"

So you replaced in and didn't read through the entire game before you started to post? I see. Is that one game the only previous experience you have with Almost50? Even if it is, have you reconsidered your read on Almost50 based on the things that I have said?

- Volxen

Yes, Yes, No.

Actually we played together in Varsoon's Bloodborne, but I can understand you forgetting a game that's almost 3 years old now. (Not to mention I was less jokey/playful then)

[Almost50]

Ofcourse they're not real. Not all of them, anyway.

Scummy jokes

I could call this (along with the vote on FL) a scum claim!!! He claimed IC. He claimed a Mason, and he claimed a Miller. Now if ANY of these claims is true then he is TOWN by definition. Yet you chose to vote him?? Explain.

[Almost50]

Ahem. What's is a scum Mason, por favor? And what is a scum Miller? I mean, scum Miller is literally Godfather, so a Cop check would actually return a clear and he didn't have to say anything about it. Masons by definition are TOWN and confirmed to each other. You're in tunnel mode here, and I assure you that FL is town in this game.

[Almost50]

I am the one in ten
A number on a list
I am the one in ten
Even though I don't exist
Nobody knows me
But I'm always there
A statistic, a reminder
Of a world that doesn't care

Discuss!

[Almost50]

A50, got any scum reads in shiro, volxen, Hydra TBD?

Shiro maybe. I have town leans on the other two.

[Almost50]

Is shadow Duran? I guess that still fits with Zerg being the scum faction.

I have a sinking feeling Krazy is messing with us (like he always does) and -maybe- this time scum/town are a mix of all things put together. I mean, this would be a really GOOD wasy of confusing us and giving us "false gulties", so to speak.

[Almost50]

A50, got any scum reads in shiro, volxen, Hydra TBD?

Shiro maybe. I have town leans on the other two.

Why the town read on volxen?

Did I say it was a town "read"??

Town read usually is stronger than Town lean for me, and the latter could be a general feeling about the tone with nothing specific.

What

don't

you like about him though?

[Almost50]

Icon is trying too hard. I still can't decide whether it's town or scum indicative of him.

P.S. I'd say URAP's progression and overall posting is fine so far, but what do I know?

[Almost50]

Did I say it was a town "read"??

Town read usually is stronger than Town lean for me, and the latter could be a general feeling about the tone with nothing specific.

What don't you like about him though?

I didn't mean to misconstrue the strength of your reads, and I apologize for the mishap.

Could you point me to a post or two that give you that feeling or demonstrate a tone you're town reading? I'll go through why I think their scum after catching up

Generally speaking Volxen feels engaged and is responding to posts made about or directed at him, as opposed to floating and avoiding people. He may not have shown his aggressive side yet (not sure I'd even call it "aggressive" to begin with) but he's doing alright so far, I think.

Now if I was a day vig and the day was ending in 24 hours I'd be shooting between Shiro & Chennisden right now. Iconeum is also a scum lean but not as string. (That's a subtle invitation for scum to shoot me tonight, btw)

[Almost50]

And if you're scumreading Shiro/Chen/Ico, why aren't you voting for any of them?

Because the game hasn't shaped up enough yet for me to cast a vote and be able to support it with an argument I suppose.

[Almost50]

And why won't you answer the earlier question re: Volxen?

What do you want me to say? It looks like he's getting lynched anyway and I have no argument against it either. I am just not voting him because I decided my top 3 scum reads are Chenni/Shiro/Ico and none of them starts with a V.

[Almost50]

A50, you went from 'I don't know if this kind of activity from ICO is town or scum',

to

'I slightly scumread ICO'

to

'he's in my top 3 scum'

Can you explain what upgraded the read every time?

I'm not sure if I did sayb it in public but I was SRing from before that and the post you're referring to was actually expressing some doubt in my read on you, hence you were always my 3rd SR.

[Almost50]

@A50: Why you think he's been "alright" so far, why he isn't in your top three scumreads (and hence undeserving of a vote), why my arguments aren't convincing enough, etc etc.

He's being voted by the entire players list. Who would be his scum buddies if he flips red?

[Almost50]

I mean, it's obvious -to me- everyone with no scum reads are going the easy route and voting Volxen for no good reason. Maybe one or two of them do have a reason, but I challenge the whole Volxen wagon to each produce a case on their own.

[Almost50]

Pagetop

I gave you that.

[Almost50]

I think Volxen hydra is town.

I want to know exactly what changed about this.

[Almost50]

I'm gonna call Cerb a townie because I want him to be, but really .. he might be town by virtue of not actually being invested.

[Almost50]

Moderator Announcement: Wisdom replaces Shadowlesscloud!

This game just got more interesting. I have no real read on the slot, but it certainly needs to be sorted now.

[Almost50]

A50 who’s your most confident scumread right now?

I'm afraid I don't have one, and I'm talking about the "confident" part.

[Almost50]

@Wisdom: If you're town you should really trust me when I say FL is Town here. Remember my confidence on him in the last game?? That was nothing compared to this game.

[Almost50]

Which game

The U-Pick game. I defended you and they lynched you still.

[Almost50]

@A50: Do you see the concern I have about FL? With regards to the wagon swinginess? Is something like that too blatant a move for scum!FL to make?

I don't even have to think about the answer, my friend. Read my typing: FL is my MASON buddy!

[Almost50]

Town: {Liger, Hydra, urap2, Icon, FL}
Nulltown: {Vedith, Almost, Moongrass}
Null: {Volxen, Cerb, Alch}
Nullscum: {RCE, PPG, chennis, Shiro}

Yay! He's TOWN

[Almost50]

VOTE: Shiro

Can't get past a Shiro/Chenn/Icon scum team

[Almost50]

i was referring to the investigatives that will be on me tonight

Considering I think I know at least one investigative role I'd say it's a 50-50 that they'd check you tonight.

[Almost50]

Bubbles told me that Volxen is an easy read, because they’ve hydra’d a lot as Michael Scott

I'll yield for this once. It will be a test if their ability to read their own hydra partner. Ftr though, neither do I ever have a

confident

read on Chara on D1 nor do they on me, so I'm only half-buying the case for now.

VOTE: Volxen

[Almost50]

On a few of you, I have very strong opinions. On others, i'm clueless.

Nobody asked (or expected) a full readlist. Just tell us what confident reads you have right now.

[Almost50]

A gentle request: Can we tone down the meta reads temporarily and try to focus on actual play in this thread for a little while? Thank you.

[Almost50]

This game’s hard for me to play because of Respect rule 1c; I’m so charming, everything I say comes out like a sexual innuendo.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

1072 is a bloody good argument, AND it complies with my own reads (FL says Shiro is Town so I must be right about at least one of Chenn/Icon).

VOTE: Chenn

[Almost50]

I can relate to MJL having trouble getting into the game, so eh NAI. That happens to me to in some games.

Except when it happened to you it turned out to be you trying to use your car keys getting into the game (as opposed to you keyboard keys!)

[Almost50]

but interesting, that there’d be an identical fake claim and real claim.

Which one of you posted this? I ask because in OK2 I had TWO 1-shot BP fake claims, a Town Vig and a fake Town Vig, a PGO and a fake PGO. Point is: When you go Krazy most everybody will actually believe whatever modding shenanigans you throw at them.

[Almost50]

i think youre town now

youre as annoying as ever

I'd happily take Nancy's annoyance over "someone else's" every time every day.

[Almost50]

The problem I see is that almost everybody is meta hunting rather than scum hunting, I admit I use meta myself to develop reads on most players, but then it's not the "only" factor. To me it's like.. "this player is posting townie stuff.. and by the by it goes with their town meta to be posting this way, so the read is stronger there."

Good players (and most of you are) can easily fake their town/scum meta to a great extent, and that's why meta reads

alone

are bad.

That said, I think I need a flip sometime soon to verify my reads. What are waiting for to end the day?

[Almost50]

@A50: Chennis wagon isn't meta based, it's play this game based. Why aren't you there?

[Almost50]

Guess who's back
Back again

[image]

- Blossom

This says "Blossom" not "Shady", so I guess you're one of them "other Slim Shadies" who are just imitating?

[Almost50]

Maybe he can be Robin.

PK, just as long as I'm Batman.

[Almost50]

you guys are great. If FL/A50/vedith agree to lynch wisdom today, I'll help. I think that's unlikely though.

I probably wouldn't lynch Wisdom on D1 with an explicit guilty on him and him acknowledging it too.

[Almost50]

Also, wrong song

Same artist and persona though. In the first one he introduced himself as the real slim shady, and in the one you used he said he was back. Now don't make me quote the often misheard part of MY song!

[Almost50]

Whatsup

7

[Almost50]

OK.. I am obviously adding nothing but smiles on you faces (or grudges in your hearts if you dislike my jokes) so I'm gonna split already

[Almost50]

A50 you're town right?

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Please don't hammer before Cerb realizes I voted Chenn before he did. It's imperative he does this today or it will be stamped in his mind that I wasn't on the wagon.

[Almost50]

Please don't hammer before Cerb realizes I voted Chenn before he did. It's imperative he does this today or it will be stamped in his mind that I wasn't on the wagon.

O.o?

I'm confused by this. Explain?

Well, I don't understand your confusion, so I'm going to try to cover all possibilities.

If you're asking why I think you're not aware where my vote is then it's because of this:

@A50: Chennis wagon isn't meta based, it's play this game based. Why aren't you there?

If you're asking why I need you to know where I stand, it's because I don't want you rethinking your read on me later on the game when it matters most. It's best to have you confident enough in my alignment now that I won't be a likely mislynch later on when paranoia hits (if I live that long)

In short, if you want to lynch me let's do it today or tomorrow at the very latest. If not then let scum finish me off but do not mislynch me in LyLo or the day before.

[Almost50]

I didn’t really care for RCE’s A50 shade but don’t know how to read it.

I wouldn't worry about that. Just disregard and move on.

[Almost50]

^And by that I mean I understand RCE and I'm not worried about it myself.

[Almost50]

Let chennisden claim first

Surely you can make deadline

There are three of you

I agree with this, however, I do have to ask:

Is there a claim that chennisden could make which would move them from "yeah whatever I won't fight this" to "NO NO NO THEY'RE FUCKING TOWN LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE"?

Don't say what that claim is, of course....I"m just curious if such a claim exists in your universe.

The one I'm thinking of would need the MOD to confirm Chenn as an IC (which I would say is about as probable as me winning the lottery, considering I don't buy lottery tickets, nor do I even love in the states).

[Almost50]

almost is not as town as id like tbh

We don't share a neighbourhood this game (let alone one that already had a flipped scum in it so was presumed a masonry), so I can't be "as town as you want me to be" on D1.

[Almost50]

Not that I was even posting in that neighbourhood on D1 either!

[Almost50]

why didn't he vote shiro or volxen if he just wanted a flip

Because I clearly said said I want to lynch in Chenn/Shiro/Icon so Volxen isn't on the list for starters. Shiro might be but it's being opposed by people I both TR and trust their reads.

[Almost50]

i prefer chennis
i disliked shiro doing nothing but it looks like its because of lack of interest

So, did you want me to move to Shiro so you can convince me to get back on Chenn??

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:


VOTE: Volxen MJL Hydra Pack


Bubbles prefers Volxen over Chenn but we will go back to Chenn to avoid a no lynch.

~Buttercup

I can't stand this indecision
Married with a lack of vision
Everybody wants to rule the world (by lynching someone of their own choice)

[Almost50]

Lol, I’m def not going Volxen here

^^^

[Almost50]

FL is winning back my favor actually. I feel bad for Volxen tbh, he gets lynched for the exact same reasons EVERY SINGLE GAME. Could he be scum here? Sure but I've played like 3-4 games with him in a row where he ends up getting lynched for his day 1s. I don't even really townread him here but I've been guilty of it at some point.

So no even if he hard claims mafia roleblocker in not lynching him today. The man just wants to play some mafia.

good to know

this is something scum says about his buddy

Yes, and I'm their 3rd.

[Almost50]

RCE Volxen Cerb and Alchemist are on my wagon. Can the rest of you kill scum instead?

The people listed above btw are openwolfing

2 questions: Why am I not included? And considering you implied RCE was scum with FL; would you say you caught a 5-players scum team already?

[Almost50]

I'm Zeratul, odd night alien. Alien jailkeeps and asceticizes, this will last during night and THE NEXT DAY. My target can still be lynched during day,

Call me tunneled, but I don't see why a town role renders its target Ascetic in this game. Yeah, I know Krazy does a lot of strange stuff (that's probably why I like his games, because they're unpredictable) but still I am not comfortable with the Ascetizer part.

Furthermore, as I don't know much about the flavour I decided to look up this Zeratul character and I found this page, and I quote:

After the rebirth of Sarah Kerrigan as the Queen of Blades, Tassadar distracted her long enough for Zeratul to slay Zasz, cerebrate and leader of the Garm Brood.

I can't say I fully understand what this means, but it sounds like a tricky character that should not be trusted still.

I'm keeping my vote where it is for now.

P.S. Feel free to explain how Zeratul could be "your ally" based on your own character, everyone.

[Almost50]

Chen are you missing a couple of words from your role title?

Are you referring to "Dark Prelate"? Yeah, I saw that too on that page, and I didn't like the omission.

[Almost50]

Flavor Leaf has been killed! He was incinerated by the Eyes of Amon!

Oh, look! He's a Mason! *Gasp*
Geez. He was also a Miller. Who would've known?

Also, same killer.

I'll try to rephrase what went on in the PT in a little while, but -for now- I just want to know the lynch pool we agreed on was in URAP/Posp/The Hydra (I have more suspects, but agree to this)

As for Liger he is very very likely Town (haven't read anything today yet). My theory is scum have a BD, who switched Wisdom with Liger himself (or maybe Alch), which give a Cop a clear but gives a GS a fake positive (i.e. Unlucky Wis).

HOWEVER, there's also an Arso out there, and Alch said something like "being able to kill" after he had claimed GS. "Being able to kill" is the result a PSYCHOLOGIST gets, not a GS. If Alch is a Psychologist then scum probably switched Wisdom with the Arsonist and thus they know whom that is.

Og course it is still theoretically possible for Liger to have been scum who misplayed it bad, but I find this ridiculously unlikely given how things went.

[Almost50]

I have a 1-shot Cop clear on u r a person 2

Really expected red there but at least it gets my bad read unstuck.

VOTE: Liger_Zero

I wouldn't trust your result fir TWO reasons:

1- The Busdriver could've been used on your target
2- URAP could be the one doing the kills, and if you're a Psuchologist you get a clear on that one

Also, Liger is bad lynch today. Even assuming he is scum (refer to my previous post for why he's not) he's not going anywhere. I think we should look for the other scums

[Almost50]

Liger might get dogpiled to L-0 in less than a day.

That would be on everyone who voted Liger, not me. Liger should not be lunched today, and the day should not be ended soon anyway.

[Almost50]

Town buss driver would explain powerpuff kill also I think.

That's out of the question. You claimed Cop and said you were checking Wisdom on D1. No sane Town BD would touch

the target

. If there was a Town BD they most probably switch YOU with someone

scummy

to protect you.

[Almost50]

Yeah forgot yesterday was a thing VOTE: Liger would also kill pops today fwiw.

Pops isn't dead, so what's your point?

[Almost50]

Yeah if it wasn't clear btw. I am not a cop. That was a fake claim.

Now THAT changes everything. You just destroyed my theory, and if you really are town then you simply deserve to get lynched for your play!

I'd have to reread D2 though to reassess

[Almost50]

I guess of the players here Hydra TBD,

Almost50

, and Iconeum would be players I think we should examine more indepth.

If I was in the wrong mood I would have voted you myself right now. Are you even reading?? I AM FL's MASON BUDDY!

[Almost50]

Reminder to self:

1- Rephrase everything in the PT
2- Reread D2 for Liger's "fake" claim

[Almost50]

Maybe Cerberus if I am wrong on one of those.

I am of two minds about Cerb. At some point I did suspect him, but

assuming URAP is scum

I don't see how he panicked with Cerb on his team.

[Almost50]

I have different ideas on who the Mason is so it's probably not a very townsided discussion.

NVM. It's all in the open now, but you did well

[Almost50]

I want to Lynch both of you.

Ditto.

[Almost50]

I really think if you analyzed me and Wisdoms interactions yesterday you wouldn't conclude we are partners, because of the way he tried to shift a lynch onto me, but you know I am extremely biased in that.

If you want to lynch me for lying, whatever. Do it.

Don't EVER refer to your own interactions with someone as a way to clear yourself. Everything could be staged, and with Wisdom it is even more likely. (Wis is a VERY capable player. He just replaced into a really scummy slot and then was quite unlucky)

[Almost50]

I was told he is aligned with the Town.

URAP or "Your Target"?

[Almost50]

URAP is basically IC right now.

Why is that?

[Almost50]

You become a direct CC to Alchemist at that point who is claiming a guilty. If wisdom flips town there then your read doesn't matter mechanically. If you believe Alchemist is fake claiming there, meh as town he gets himself killed on a mislynch. He's a better player than that.

So you knowing that you are not a cop, continued to press that alchemist's ACTUAL guilty could possibly be wrong because you had a hunch wisdom was town.

If you're town here I don't mind testing out gambits, it's how you get better, but figure out how to bail when you are impeding on towns wincon.

Right now I'm reconsidering everything and building new theories based on what has been revealed, and Liger could be scum if

scum were informed there was no Cop

. That explains why he claimed unprompted on D1, why he specified his target beforehand. Why he wasn't shot on N1 (or N2). I mean, everything!

[Almost50]

Also, this whole situation is bringing me back to suspecting Cerb who's an astute scum planner. He just didn't anticipate the JOAT result on Wisdom, and probably expected a tracker instead, so Wis stayed put and didn't do the kill.

My main concern about Cern started when I read the D2 discussion yesterday (still haven't reread) and I noticed he ignored/missed the BD possibility altogether. Cerb doe not miss such details and considers all possibilities no matter how unlikely, so that gave me a pause.

[Almost50]

I think its easier to understand when you assume I was town from the beginning of the day and I fake claimed and that my thought process was I didn't want to unveil it in case Alchemist was lying but that Wisdom was acting really really weird for a town player to be doing and that it become increasingly awkward for me to keep the lie but didn't want to just incase he was town and I was fooled by Alchemist. It was really weird situation to be in, idk.

A Town fake Cop does not claim a clear on someone before everyone else has posted. You jumped the gun if you were Town to say the least. A FAKE GUILTY gets claimed early to generate reactions, yes. But a fake clear isn't as goof because it simply shuts down discussion about the person you're clearing.

The more you post the more I see why you should be lynched. I just want to take my time exploring other options and reassessing all my reads.

[Almost50]

Liger is probably mafia doctor, right?

"I shot shadow he's actually BP"
"I saw Liger target shadow N1"

Those things both get covered by claiming to be a cop investigating shadow N1.

Did I miss something or am I falling asleep way too early?? I don't get this post.

[Almost50]

Spoiler: @Pops

Are you by any chance a.k.a. grapes?

[Almost50]

I do have to say I’m surprised scum didn’t do anything to me last Night as far as I can tell.

When you claim 1-shot and nobody suspects otherwise you become less of a priority to kill.

P.S. FL mentioned Ausuka in his response to you. He explained in the PT that it was a reference to a game you both played with Ausuka who had claimed 1-shot something when it was 2-shot. In shot, FL knew you weren't 1-shot.

[Almost50]

You become a direct CC to Alchemist at that point who is claiming a guilty. If wisdom flips town there then your read doesn't matter mechanically. If you believe Alchemist is fake claiming there, meh as town he gets himself killed on a mislynch. He's a better player than that.

So you knowing that you are not a cop, continued to press that alchemist's ACTUAL guilty could possibly be wrong because you had a hunch wisdom was town.

If you're town here I don't mind testing out gambits, it's how you get better, but figure out how to bail when you are impeding on towns wincon.

Right now I'm reconsidering everything and building new theories based on what has been revealed, and Liger could be scum if

scum were informed there was no Cop

. That explains why he claimed unprompted on D1, why he specified his target beforehand. Why he wasn't shot on N1 (or N2). I mean, everything!

Umm I am pretty sure I could be scum regardless of that being informed or not....

@Liger (and also those who asked why I thought he was conf!town earlier): I am treating Liger as a good player having a bad game (regardless of alignment) as opposed to someone who really sucks at Mafia. This is why I am trying to build narratives that make more sense for him having brain farted this one time rather than being totally incompetent.

For example, a townie faking Cop clear = would be exposed if dead. It is bad if the target (Wisdom) flips scum or if a real Cop either CC's or gets flipped, but will still prove it was a fake clear. It could be withdrawn later on if it feels like things aren't going the way they were planned.

Now SCUM faking a clear on their partner directly gets them lynched right after their p. It doesn't protect their p if they (Liger) flip first. It makes no sense for scum to claim Cop not knowing if there is a real Cop in the game or not.

So, while the claim was bad it is much more worse play to come from scum still. I see no benefit to it, and -knowing Wisdom was scum regardless of who else is in there- I don't see him approving this kind of silly suicidal gambit.

[Almost50]

Umm I am pretty sure I could be scum regardless of that being informed or not....

I other words: Please don't sell yourself too cheap. Was it bad play? Oh, HELL YES. DEFINITELY. But we all do some silly stuff every now and then. I still "think" you're a better player though.

[Almost50]

Brainrockets.

Roosters pee and mules shit.

[Almost50]

A50, URAP, Alchemist, hydra, shiro are my current town block.

Don't take this as criticism, but if you can't see RCE as town yet then there's definitely something wrong in the way you read the game.

[Almost50]

In short, RCE isn't group scum. Assuming an Arsonist exists (just a possibility) he could have been that (and I know he's good at playing solo) but neither I not FL were doused so no. RCE knew we were Masons for real from the get go (he knows us both well enough) and was trying to keep us from being too obv!town so as not to be NK'd. I saw what he was doing clearly, while FL didn't get that play (maybe it's because I sometimes use the same tactic of keeping my strong TRs less confirmed to protect them from the NK)

In short, RCE is town here (sorry if it gets you NK'd, mate)

[Almost50]

OK, having skimmed D2 again I think I will sheep FL on Shiro being Town here. I don't think Liger or URAP should end game in any case. If either is town it's really on them the way they handled the guilty in Wisdom.

To be noted: Volxen, Cerb & Shiro haven't posted today.

Iconeum hasn't posted today or D2.

We need to wait for them all to register before we move on.

[Almost50]

As for the PT, FL got there first and was ranting to himself before I even picked my role PM.

#1 Excitement + Miller claim
#2 More excitement
A lot of nothings
#9 Yahmose, Liger, and Shadow are the 3 slots FL isn't too familiar of
#12 "I am 3es from top and you're 3rd from bottom. Maybe something or maybe nothing.
#14 Let's not act like Masons

Then I made it in..
A50: I'll read the game later, Assuming Vern is town we know what 3 NKs are happening in the first 3 nights.
FL: Suspecting Liger for the way he's changing reads on me. PPG are likely town. RCE voted shadow over Liger.
A50: I suspect both Liger and shadow & I have PPG as a priority to sort. I can read both Nancy & PB.
FL: Agreed
A50: Liger may still be town. I posted in thread about it. (Also flavour spec)
FL: Wis' "pls don’t do this" makes him scum still but is hard to push on D1
A50: I am getting cold feet about pushing Wisdom
FL: Why am I being globally TR'd?
A50: Maybe bc you are not even playing?
FL: Glad I wasn't on Chenn
A50: I am confused and have no solid reads. Assuming Volxen is town, maybe Shiro & Hydra are scum?
FL: Ausuka made that gambit with scum!Alch, so I mentioned Aus to signal I noticed. Glad I caught shadow/Wis early.
A50: Shit! I didn't even get to post in D2. I knew #92 wasn't meant for the main thread. #951 doesn't look like SvS, and #1327 looks odd from Wis considering he was pushing Shiro over Chenn. I am still sus of pops, Shiro, URA & the Hydra. Also Moongrass' confusion about Chenn's role doesn't quite rhyme with claiming to have the same role. As for Liger, I am still not sure I'd fake an inno on my own scum bussy if I was scum.
A50: Noticing BD is a thing but not Redirector, So Wis was BD with someone with a gun? Liger himself? or Alch? Cerb could be scum for this play, and I am still not happy with Shiri trying to lynch Liger over Wisdom.
A50: Noticing Arsonist could be a thing too. URAP is very scummy here. If he is scum Cerb might not be as I wouldn't panic with Cerb on my scum team.
A50: Strong defense of Liger. Suspecting URAp & Pops. Feeling better about the Hydra after D2. Still confused about Shiro, and bot comfy with Icon or Moongrass. If there's and Arsonist it could be RCE or Pops at this point.
FL: Confused about the BD theory. Liger's target changed and not Alch's?
FL: Did you get doused?
A50: No. They switched Wis with someone with a gun. OR if Alch is actually a Psychologist then with the Arso. I also didn't know we'd get notified of being doused. Either way I didn't get notified of it.
FL: Agree on both URAP & Pops being likely scum. Add the Hydra and that should be my lynch pool in case I'm the NK.

The End

[Almost50]

@A50: a bus driver was only an option if the swapped slots were wisdom and a vig.

Not sure why you think so. GS checks for guns. The explanation Alch added is irrelevant now, unless he says it's what it says on his role PM. If GS checks for guns then Vig, all Cop variants, and even other GS's give false positives.

But that's all irrelevant now bc Liger is NOT a Cop, so no reason to suspect Wis was Busdriven anyway.

[Almost50]

Assumptions we can work with today:
alchemist21 is town, unless urap2 flips as scum at some point(only way alchemist21 as scum bussing wisdom and giving us a clear really works is if it's a fake clear in a target rich field)
A50 is town
Urap2 is town

I should be on top of the list now though because I'm now confirmed a Mason with my buddy flipped. It's a technicality, but it may be a little bit better this way.

P-edit: OK, then. Krazy is confusing GS with Psychologist, but it's a THEMED GAME so he can use a THIEF Role and call it a Cop and nobody would dare challenge him on it. (I know! I did some goofy stuff myself regarding roles and mechanics)

[Almost50]

@Moongrass: Right now I think you're town, so no need to full claim. Things that work for you: You don't make sense as Wisdom's buddy and you tried to save Chenn, plus your reads progression is fine. I think those overweigh the confusion about the role.

[Almost50]

In short, RCE isn't group scum. Assuming an Arsonist exists (just a possibility) he could have been that (and I know he's good at playing solo) but neither I not FL were doused so no. RCE knew we were Masons for real from the get go (he knows us both well enough) and was trying to keep us from being too obv!town so as not to be NK'd. I saw what he was doing clearly, while FL didn't get that play (maybe it's because I sometimes use the same tactic of keeping my strong TRs less confirmed to protect them from the NK)

In short, RCE is town here (sorry if it gets you NK'd, mate)

How did he know this? Was something said in game that he would be able to reasonably arrive at this conclusion?

--MJL

Erm, both FL & I actually hard claimed Masons (albeit jokingly). This is why I explained RCE knew us both well enough to recognize we were serious but trying not to look so.

[Almost50]

^^ This is the kind of post that keeps me scum reading you independently even if I have written you out twice of being Wisdom's buddy. It's non-committal and LAMIST to the max. You're neither supporting nor opposing Liger's lynch, and it's almost like you're subtly hinting you

know

he's town.

You're also shading Volxen (the weakest link) without making any specific points about them.

May I request a clearer, more definitive read list with some reasoning, please?

[Almost50]

I think Liger’s flip will still help tell us a lot even if he flips Town. Scum are probably bussing if he’s scum because it’s the obvious outcome of today and resisting the lynch would look bad. If he’s Town, scum are probably actually in the people resisting the lynch, wanting to come in tomorrow with a big fat “I told you so” and some Town cred for correctly reading him.

Damn! You're so convincing I can't find an opposing argument even though I do want to. *Sigh*

My vote is on Liger in spirit

[Almost50]

^I don't want to end the day before Icon & Cerb (and anyone else who feels like it) have spoken their minds and are comfortable going into the night.

[Almost50]

I just remembered a time where almost this exact situation with Liger and me happened to me on another game (Wisdom was scum in that one too) so I can see some room for Liger actually being Town here.

I’ll be half mad half amused if this shit’s happened to me twice.

I am like 75% confident Liger will flip green. I've just realized that no matter what his continued existence in the game will give scum something to do and look like they're being productive.

[Almost50]

Just because I was a bit of a dick regarding Wisdom before you revealed your action?

mate, it's more than just revenge. Like, I want to defend you, but then there will be players (more than half the player list) that will argue you should be lynched anyway. It will be a vicious circle and both sides will be posting several pages of why/why not, and it shifts the focus off the real stuff, and it will still be the same way tomorrow if my side is successful in saving your neck today.

[Almost50]

Well I mean unless Alchemist green checked me. But I think thats a waste of an action at this point. Also that is assuming he lives.

He's .. a JOAT. He already used up 2 shots, both of which where strong investigative actions, so I'd expect his 3rd to either be a protective or a very weak informative (Motion Detector??).

Also, with a Gunsmith shot and a Cop shot we are almost guaranteed at least one of Godfather/Mafia Doctor exists if not both. (Gunsmith can't catch the Doctor and Cop can't catch the GF.)

[Almost50]

what sort of other PR would fake claim cop(other than a PGO, maybe, but then that's asking a protective to get killed when they try to save you).

A protective like .. a Jailkeeper? (That would block the alleged Cop's action)?

[Almost50]

I'm not over my Volxen MJL scumread. Every bit of it remains as scummy as before.
I've quoted myself on it recently.

It is my single greatest independant scumread in this game, based on play.

We do have a scum flip though, so ISO them simultaneously and see if they look like partners in crime.

[Almost50]

Alright then. It seems everybody is suspicious of Pops but nobody wants to take the initiative.

VOTE: Pops

Sheep a townie on their last day in the game.

[Almost50]

A50, do you think Iconeum is town?

I'm not sure. Leaning scum but not totally sold on it.

[Almost50]

Dammit A50, now we have to fight.

Nah. We both know we don't want to lynch Liger today. We both agree on a town core, and we probably agree on many other reads. You get to lead the town tomorrow though, so this is kind of my last wish.

[Almost50]

Me: No.....thats not what we agreed to!

With all due respect; I wouldn't count too much on my own reads if I were you. I mean, you're clearly having an off game. How about you play game and vote Pops for now?

[Almost50]

Last post by FL in the Masonry was: If I die, Hydra/URAP/Pops should be the lynch pool for D3.

Work it up, townies.

[Almost50]

a50 how about just lynching volxen

Not a fan of it. Wisdom wanted to lynch Volxen. He just wanted a Shiro lynch more.

[Almost50]

liger would've been lynched long ago if he were actually town

Same could be said about Pops and/or Ico, but let me tell you a fact:

assuming

Liger is Town; the scum team went into the night already knowing who their "next mislynch" will be. They were sure the TOWN will do the job for them and they can just blend in today. Now the fact that some townies are opposing that easy lynch is forcing the scum into a corner. they didn't see that one coming so they skipped planning for it.

I'd say you should vote Pops regardless now and let Liger be for today. You can lynch him tomorrow while I'm drinking pina colada in the dead thread with my buddy FL.

[Almost50]

He tried to push the idea that alchemist was lying

I don't see where you got that. All he did was say it was an interesting twist and then try to argue Wisdom could be a GF (which is a

scum role

), i.e. he tried to get out of the shitty claim without actually revealing it was fake. I get that it was bad play, but he

clearly

wasn't calling (or implying) Alch was lying at all.

And to be frank, if it was all up to me I'd lynch you before him. I said it before and I'm saying it again: Wisdom's push on you felt like distancing all the way to the moon.

When someone else suspected you (I forgot whom) Wisdom questioned the read despite him allegedly pushing you himself

. That's not normal to me.

Also, Pops flipping TOWN clears Liger (!!!). Liger seems adamant we don't lynch Pops even at the expense of his own life. Now tell me why "caught scum" would defend a townie this hard??

[Almost50]

I'm not gonna claim without L-1 plus Threat.

So hustle.

I'd consensus lynch pretty much anyone but RCE. Not sure whether I would hop on for Liger.

Another one of those posts where I need to tilt my head to try and digest.

So, you were OK getting lynched on the condition it cleared Liger, but you preemptively won't claim? Would any "TPR" in their right mind agree to get lynched to clear someone else? You basically already claimed VT, and I would not believe any other claim you might come up with, and the loss of a VT is the "best bad thing" we can do right now.

Also, you say you'd lynch just about anyone else? Tell me something: How is my lynch -say- more beneficial/infortmative to town than yours? OK, how is Shiro's? *Shrug*

[Almost50]

Cerb doiesnt lolhammer he is probably scum with Liger

Vote:Liger

Now for fucks sake can we lynch scum?

So why aren't you voting CERB then?

[Almost50]

Cerb doiesnt lolhammer he is probably scum with Liger

Vote:Liger

Now for fucks sake can we lynch scum?

So why aren't you voting CERB then?

VOTE: Shiro

Sorry, FL. I just can't town!Shiro here anyway I slice it.

[Almost50]

I would like to thank Nero Cain for taking a night time replacement!

Nero Cain was killed during the night. He was

eviscerated by Tal'darim forces

!

Sorry, Nero. I know how frustrating it must be, but I just couldn't help myself laughing. I feel for you though.

[Almost50]

Unless Cerb is the eyes and we can't lynch him then Volxen is not the eyes and we need to lynch somewhere I'm townreading or work out what the player order means to figure out why I'm still alive.

OK, I think I may be a bit confused here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but you claimed Even Night Alien. Right? If so, who were your targets on N2/N4?

Note: N4 the killer is not the same person on the previous 3 nights, which probably means Cerb is the eyes. Nero was eviscerated though (as opposed to 3 previously incinerated corpses.)

[Almost50]

Is it important we specifically lynch the eyes?

Hydra is indeed the odd duck in that town list

So.. it's Volxen, Hydra & Moongrass as traitor for you. Anyone else?

[Almost50]

A50 why is RCE town again?

I kinda have a thing with RCE where we know each other's play. He knew FL & I was for real and we were both left alive on N1. RCE even tried to keep us one step short of being confirmed so scum won't shoot us.

[Almost50]

A50 are you still sure Volxen is town?

Fairly so, yes.

[Almost50]

Hey A50, let's talk, conftown to confscum(speaking of which, good job on crumbing/claiming mason stuff, if you hadn't I would have had to consider counterclaiming you and seeing if I could get town to mislynch a mason WOULD HAVE BEEN HILARIOUS), I think it'll be fun. Maybe we can put together an epic battle between whoever you end up claiming as and whoever I end up fake claiming as. <3

Man, you're really good at this game.

Btw, none of what you said about the town applies to me. I wasn't even here on that day they quick lynched you. OK?

[Almost50]

A50 why is RCE town again?

I kinda have a thing with RCE where we know each other's play. He knew FL & I was for real and we were both left alive on N1. RCE even tried to keep us one step short of being confirmed so scum won't shoot us.

I'm concerned you're believing what you want to instead of seeing that he could have been weakly shading you and FL before deciding it was too risky because you know each other well.

I'm not really scum reading him, I just want that not to skew your view of him in a similar fashion to people being intent on letting wisdom live N1 because of some underlying bro code that seems to exist on this site.

Spoiler: Examples of RCE posts I'm referring to:

We need more people calling A50 scum please.

Someone call FL scum too please.

A50 you're town right?

And by town I mean scum.

Does this look like shading to you?

[Almost50]

N2 I gunned FL N4 I gunned Nero. Figured A50 was going to be the nk.

Sheesh, man. You've been so precise!
Or did you mean you "gunned them down"??

[Almost50]

Fine.

VOTE: Hydra

L-1

Let's see if Cerb quick!hammers

[Almost50]

@Cerb: I wouldn't hammer if I was you (and Hydra was Town). This way you confirm them as scum on the Town's eyes and have them do your work for you even without your contribution.

[Almost50]

Yeah, whatever.

VOTE: Icon

I'm going to be a sheep from now on. There's no way to beat Cerb's "nonexistence" in this game.

[Almost50]

Ico scummy, but I'm more confident in liger scum

If we're not lynching liger today the lynch should probably be us so that people can take our reads seriously,

if ico flips tow

n today we probably just get lynched tomorrow and scum win

BIG if. If you are Town then Icon is

the

one and only acceptable lynch today. Also,

not lynching Liger

. Pops already died defending Liger, and you're basically making the counter argument to nullify Pops' sacrifice.

Also, why didn't Cerb hammer you?? I think BOTH you and Icon are scum, and I'm not lynching Liger.

[Almost50]

Actually...

VOTE: Moongrass

Cerb never lies about game mechanics. He (and Wisdom) both said it's more customary that if there are 2 identical roles (one ODD and one EVEN night) that one of them is SCUM. We already lynched the Town version, so Moongrass is the Scum version and BOTH Cerb & Wisdom knew it. That also explains why Moongrass is still alive.

NOT LYNCHING LIGER

. If you are Town

VOTE MOONGRASS TODAY

. (And now I'm 100% the NK of the night, but it means RCE lives to N6 and can hand someone a gun, so I'm happy going down tonight).

[Almost50]

This might be a bit of a stretch but I think this is likely a towntell assuming the scum team would have had some interaction with both mods.

Also this looks like a minor slip. Who says the scum team usually interacts with "both" mods? It is almost always the case that I communicate with the main Mod all the time as either alignment. It is rarely the case that scum communicate with the back up mod, but OK.. the problem is..

schadd_, mastina, and Ankamius are backup/co moderators

So, it looks like Ank & Krazy are the ones posting in the Scum PT (Schadd usually doesn't and mastina has something against Cerb).

Yeah, it's weak sauce if you try to look at it as evidence, but if you are convinced that Moongrass is indeed scum then you can see things from a different perspective. My case is

this happened

:

VOTE: chennis

now that i think about it rolestopper type roles are almost always scum

its pretty common to have a town odd night and scum even night of something though (or vice versa)

why do you think that makes him town

I don't mind soft claiming to save Chen. I am the even night variant of his role hence I believe them to be town.

its pretty common to have a town odd night and scum even night of something though (or vice versa)

why do you think that makes him town

Yeah. I was just about to say that should actually make you think him more, not less, likely to be scum? ><

Yet Cerb never really pushed Moongrass after Chenn flipped Town. In fact, Cerb said:

I actually think we should still lynch me today, as Alchemist and Almost was saying that having me continue to be around the topic of me faking cop to save a buddy will continue to resurface unless we just quash that now so it won't bog down the game later.

I want to talk to Iconeum some more before we do that though.

This is a sentiment that I agree with(that the noise surrounding this singular event could easily grown to dominate the entire game, and thus it needs to be resolved in some fashion sooner rather than later).

In unrelated news, moongrass is also like 90% town, because in my opinion their claim is certainly true, the only question is the alignment of their claimed role...and a scum moongrass along with a flipped town counterpart would have meant scum could have freely shot alchemist21 last night with little concern about protection existing on them. Since they did not shoot there, but instead at someone who was unlikely to be protected due to their miller claim, indicates to me that there was concern about moongrass protecting their preferred target.

With that said, a small amount of doubt exists because scum!moongrass could have easily gotten away with commuting alchemist21 and thereby preventing any possible investigations under the guise of protecting them, but I don't believe moongrass' position in the game has been threatened enough/they have been under sufficient suspicion that scum!moongrass would wish to draw that scrutiny in their direction.

Which is:
(A) Why WE'RE NOT LYNCHING LIGER
(B) A preemptive defense of Moongrass.

My guess is Moon didn't even block Alch. Scum where hoping he may get a guilty on Cerb, perhaps?

Also..

Ico's EOD is scummy. To put it mildly..

It's that panic post scum feel obliged to contribute about how disintered they were in the town wagon after someone hammers.

I should probably be lynching in wisdom/cerb for blatantly lying about the odd/even thing but Ico has pretty much scum claimed so yolo.

Yet, Moon hasn't even voted either of Wisdom/Cerb after that post (he did bote both of them on DAY ONE), and is now looking for a lynch outside of Cerb/Icon too (I know Cerb is unlynchable. I am talking about how Moon is hunting for a lynch outside of his declared "more scummy than the two flipped scums").

The only time he actually voted Icon

after the above quote

was this:

UNVOTE: I think BP is a scummy claim regardless. But it can be tested tomorrow so there are better options probably. Not named Liger preferrably.

Then we can let an investigative handle it tonight and have vig shoot elsewhere.

Looks like you already answered this question... Why are you so keen on using town powers of which you don't even know for sure they exist to clear a slot you find scummy?

Both a vig and an investigative are better used elsewhere, and I find the lack of pushing on what you describe as a scummy claim interesting.

Hmm. VOTE: Iconeum

I just remembered that I used my role on Iconeum so he's not the eyes but his ISO makes sense as scum.

Notice how he plants the seeds for everyone to be skeptical of following him? He is voting Icon AND chainsawing him in the very same post.

So, I conclude that the scum duo remaining (ourside of Cerb) are Moonlogic & Iconeum, but IF -by some Godly miracle- there's only one scum left then it's definitely Moon.

LYNCH MOONGRASS TODAY. If the game doesn't end, LYNCH ICONEUM NEXT.

[Almost50]

Sorry for the big wall.

[Almost50]

I think Iconeum and Shiro are both town by heavy margin.

I wish I had your confidence about Icon. Sure, he defended you hard enough, but the fact remains he was against shooting/investigating Shadowless/Wisdom and it still bugs me. Let's not forget the Mafia were NOT AWARE of their Traitor's existence, so a shot/investigation on one of their members was a 100% loss of 33% of their team.

I agree Shiro is town here, and I am TRing you too (for your bad fake claim, mind you). I am leaning town on RCE but can't help the paranoia growing in me either.

Btw..

@RCE: DO NOT GIFT ME ANYTHING TONIGHT!

. If you are town, you gift it to Shiro (maybe he'll do something beneficial for once in this game) or Liger (maybe he can redeem his name before the game ends and everybody blames him for the loss). If you are scum, you/cerb are going to shoot me tonight anyway, so nice play.

[Almost50]

Volxen wagon is boring, he's lynchbait every game d1 regardless of wagon or no wagon and he'll obvtown eventually if he's town

I am thinking if we have to lynch today it should be Volxen. I am still trying to reread ISOs though, and I'm also mulling over how a No Lynch could/would affect the game status (so far it looks like it doesn't benefit us)

[Almost50]

Oh, and again:

@RCE: DO NOT SAY who you're gun vending between Shiro/Liger.

If I'm the NK them we are guaranteed a Vig on N7. If scum go for them they still have a 50-50 chance, so we have a 50% chance of having a Vig on N7.

It may not look important, but if we are 3-2 on D7 and we mislynch we still have that shot at hand during the night. This is why I believe I will be the NK tonight, because having me alive on N7 with a town Vig in play = sure town win. Yet again, having YOU alive if you do hand out that gun correctly yields the same result.

So, actually a No Lynch would benefit SCUM today. We

have to

take our chances today.

[Almost50]

I definitely known what you mean. Usually when I get like that I have to either see something I passionately scumread or get into an intense debate.

That said Cerb is scum.

<3

Is this an attempt to get me to intensely debate something?

Because unfortunately I don't think it would work since I feel like literally everyone who knows me should be scumreading me right now, given that I'm like...so far out of my EVERY GAME range, that I could see scumminess being assumed.

We can all help VOTE: Cerb

GDI! Knowing what we know now I can't help my paranoia. I'd say it's NAI at best though (and only because I want you to be town here), but I really can't say "he FoS'd and voted vern early on, so must be town", now can I?

[Almost50]

Actually, both sides are in a shitty situation now. We need to lynch correctly TODAY, while scum need to make the right NK (if RCE is town). If RCE is scum, we probably already lost and scum can even skip their NK!

[Almost50]

I think it's even more likely that wisdoms slot is still prob scum.

This though looks a bit better.

[Almost50]

OK, I give up. I'm treating this as a penalty shoot-out kick.

VOTE: Volxen

We win today or lose tomorrow

[Almost50]

OK, I give up. I'm treating this as a penalty shoot-out kick.

VOTE: Volxen

We win today or lose tomorrow

Icon is still scum Almost50. The fact that Hydra buddied up to me early on in the game doesn't change that.

- Volxen

Well, Liger isn't going to vote there, so I don't know what to do.

UNVOTE:

Feel free to actually try to sell your case to Liger

[Almost50]

I'll even make it easier for the scum team

VOTE: Icon

[Almost50]

It's a day vig. So you get a D7 shot and Lynch.

Still, I get nothing because I won't make it to D7 EVER!

But now that you elaborated... No Lynch = 5-2 into N6 = 4-2 on D7 with a Dayvig shot & a lynch? That's a bit harsh on the scum.

This is as opposed to 4-2 into N6 = 3-2 on D7 and then the Dayvig ends it. If the shot hits a townie the game is over because we can't lynch at 2-2.

Hmmm.. not in the right mind condition to actually verify a No Lynch is better in this case, but you all think about it.

[Almost50]

Hydra TBD - Mafia Traitor [Only knows 1 group scum] [Unknown if Mafia know of him or which group scum he knew of]

They were obviously specifically notified that Wisdom (Shadowless) was scum, because that's whom they replace in the main scum PT if lynched. And no, scum were unaware of the existence of a Traitor because it says so in the Hydra role PM.

[Almost50]

Also, how the fuck did I miss so many posts?!!!

[Almost50]

So I'm curious why scum kills moon there. It doesn't matter who he blocks since there will be a kill regardless. And finding the scum outside of Cerb just ends the game.

I'm not sure I understand this. How will there be a kill "regardless"??

[Almost50]

So I'm curious why scum kills moon there. It doesn't matter who he blocks since there will be a kill regardless. And finding the scum outside of Cerb just ends the game.

Man, I REALLY want this explained ASAP. Sounds like you KNOW the scum kill is Strongman!

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

Consider this: If scum left Moon alive, we could skip the day by lynching Cerberus to block him. Moon gets to roleblock one person and assuming he is wrong that clears one extra player from being scum. If he roleblocked successfully, which I think scum also feared not just another inno, then the game is over.

The game is basically over and scum are hoping that Almost pushes Shiro for a lynch. That is basically their only hope right now.

You're not making much sense here. IF the scum kill could be blocked, cerb will just decide to leave Moon alive and HOLSTER on N6, thus generating a false guilty on whomever got blocked... (which probably

wasn't

going to be RCE anyway).

However, if scum have a STRONGMAN then it doesn't matter whether they kill Moon or not. It still makes us not too skeptical of RCE making it to D7!

I'll tell you the truth (and you can verify this in the Masons PT post-game).. I came into the day with the intention of fake claiming N5/N6 Motion Detector (and it would have maden sense to you all since the other Mason was a Miller) and to claim I detected motion on RCE. Now since RCE claimed Even Night GV, it should not be "from" him, yet scum had no reason to -say- RB him either, so I would push the narrative he made last night's kill (regardless of the fact it looks like Amon is cerb from the "revelation" flavour).

I got cold feet ince the day started though, and I went to treble ISO Icon (my original SR), RCE (my -NOW- main suspect) and Volxen (the main wagon that failed on D1).

Right now I think Icon's defense of Liger + being early on the Hydra outweighs his D1 treatment of Wisdom's slot, so I'm left with RCE or Volxen to lynch here.

I am willing to agree to one of the following scenarios:

1- We lynch Volxen, and if the game doesn't end we (YOU) lynch RCE tomorrow regardless. He will most probably claim he delivered the gun to the NK.

2- Lynch RCE today, and if the game doesn't end we lynch Volxen tomorrow (again, I mean YOU by "we")

3- We lynch Cerb (he gets blocked) and I die in peace overnight, and the remaining 4 townies get to do whatever they want to do (including lynching cerb AGAIN).

P-edit:

Whatever. If you're scum I think you deserve the win, and you can rub it in my face too.

VOTE: Volxen

[Almost50]

Btw, this was the post I would have opened the day with:

Spoiler:

VOTE: RCE

I'm a N5/N6/N7 Motion Detector. I have motion detected on RCE, yet he's not the NK. He claimed EVEN Night Hun Vendor, so he could not have been acting tonight, yet no reason for scum to visit him with a non-killing action (like, say a Roleblock) either.

In short, my only explanation is that he performed the kill. He is the "eyes of Amon".

[Almost50]

Mechanically it would have been better to just let moongrass do his thing, no kill that night, and let the fake guilty+moongrass wifom carry us to endgame.

I swear I missed that post from earlier. I swear to God I did. But thanks for confirming (or rather "pre-confirming") my point.

[Almost50]

I think this game is sealed. Cerb staying out of this is like exactly what he did to hydra. Hammering here is directly playing against his win con. If Colxen was town he would have been hammered by cerb by now. End of story.

Now we need RCE/Shiro to hammer and take us home.

@Volxen: You're forgetting Icon ALSO fought against the Moongrass wagon. Scum!Him should have let it go through, then they shoot RCE last night and it's their game.

[Almost50]

I win! This was such a fun game!

Yeah, you do.. and I'm sorry I mislynched you.

[Almost50]

Almost50's rolecard:

INFESTED KERRIGAN
Welcome to Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void!

Spoiler:


You are

Infested Kerrigan

, a town night 7 vigilante mason.

You are a mason with Flavor Leaf, who you know is town. You share a PT here: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=79424

You are a night 7 vigilante. On night 7, you may attempt to kill a player of your choice.

Win: You win when the mafia team has been removed.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79422

Confirm: Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

Like what are the odds?

THAT is what I was trying to relay to you on D1.

[Almost50]

Did I get a free win?

The less you post the more likely you win as Town.

Yeah, was looking forward to seeing your initial read list (before you went back and reversed every single one of them

correct

reads).

[Almost50]

Fun game everyone.

Props to Iconeum he really pushed the final two days lynches to get us the win when I didn't have the time or energy to do so.
Iconeum MVP.

Yes. Icon 100% brought us the win on spite of us (myself in particular).

[Almost50]

FGSm how far up should I go to reach the top of that discord channel? I don't like reading from the middle, so I am still climbing up to reach the start and it looks further than the South pole to me still.

[Almost50]

Wouldn't you be outlogged in on your main not a hydra? Seems weird.

Not if you're using different browsers. Like now I'm using 2, and at one point I was using 3 different browsers. I would be logged on as A50, Almost Chara & AP all at the same time. It sucked because I used to still read everything using A50 so I kept alt slipping all the time. Now I almost never subscribe to games I play with any other account, and try my best to not be playing games with more than 2 accounts simultaneously. When I'm AP I am AP, and IF I was playing with the hydra account I'd have logout to switch accounts, while this main browser is always logged on as A50 for games/threads that A50 is subscribed to.

[Almost50]

@Cerb: Why was I left alive? Not that I mind, but why kill FL and not me?

[Almost50]

Night Six: If I had successfully pushed Icon's mislynch on day six, I would have killed Liger on night six. Previously I considered the possible advantage of having both Shiro and Liger alive in lylo (that Shiro would vote for Liger in lylo), but then RCE later revealed that when he gives someone a gun, that person becomes a dayvig the following day. Before RCE revealed that, we assumed that whoever he gave a gun to would become a nightvig the following night. And I was nearly 100% certain that following Icon's mislynch, RCE would have given a gun to Liger because 1) he was heavily townreading him and 2) he would assume that we would kill Almost50. So we would have had no choice but to kill Liger here to prevent him from being able to dayvig me, and then we would have tried to push either Shiro or RCE during day seven lylo

I don't think Icon ever gets lynched following the tbd lynch. But I almost pivoted to pushing Shiro so we could shoot one of liger/Volxen and Lynch the other. I was always going to gun A50 that night because he's the obvious kill and scum knows I know he's the obvious kill so I'd wifom and gun a scumread or something. But idk if scum is in a 10 layer deep meta rabbit hole so there's that.

Damn, good on you then, if you really would have gunned Almost50 then that alone would have guaranteed town's victory as Almost50 could have simply shot me or shot Shiro and then I would have still been lynched. I really didn't think that you would try to out WIFOM us with mindgames regarding who you would give a gun to, but apparently you were already thinking along those lines.

The funny thing is: I STILL WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO USE MY N7 VIG SHOT!

Oh, and btw.. @MLJ: I didn't even know you were actually playing the game. You were too quiet for long periods and when PPG tried to bait you to post you stalled and then disappeared, so I assumed cerb was running the whole show.

[Almost50]

I was talking about the PPG turned into Dead Thread channel. I have a slow connection.