BooneyToonz XII: Corporate Boontrigue (Game Over!!!)

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hey all! replacing gamma, but heading to bed and i'm kinda v/la this weekend; i may be unable to catch up till ~monday

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ok, finally have time to catch up now

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ok a bunch of assorted thoughts reading thru:

1. i kinda like roster's entrance; don't much like una's. i don't really like titus' roster vote in 29 since it seems at least semi-serious and i don't think roster has been scummy

2. p. sure a50 is town ~ p3; creature too ~ p4

3. don't like 90 from asuka; there's actual content to engage with at this point and she's basically making another rvs vote

4.

Hello everyone,

I just want to post that I have been informed that mafia have a strongman.

i'd be *quite* surprised if this came from scum

5. @jl have you played with me?

6. think luv is town too ~p6

7.

Opportunistic vote to get wagons going.

VOTE: pops

i don't much like this

8. given how hard fl pushed the pops wagon i'm kinda surprised that he died actually; it's indicative of scum being people who didn't want to deal with him and didn't think they could push him for that i think

9.

I think that unvote from xtoxtothemaxmux makes me want to join in on the fun.

VOTE: pops

this is bad too

10. kinda like clem's resistance to the pop wagon started 198

ok new post time

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1. una i hate like all of your posts

2. we're not allowed to talk about replacements anymore, right?

3.

VOTE: bambi
Roster also good wagon

? why? to both of these

4.

VOTE: bambi

My evidence is you feel scummy.

i also kinda hate all of your posta

5. kinda think bambi may be town? not sure yet, still mulling this over

6.

Trying to decipher what ever it is that has happened so far since the start of the day.
Not much other to analyze than some vote patterns I guess, but I'll try to get something out of that at least then.

this is god-awful too ^^^^^

7.

I think Una is my only townread worth anything here

VOTE: rosterfoster

uhhhhh explain the una read please

9. titus how are you reading asuka?

10. actually feel pretty decent about town!bambi

11.

Oh deer, post quantity doesn't equal utility.

Also, today people are sleeping me.

Everyone "gets blame" for a lynch on town. The question is motivation. People tend to know I love wagons just to have them. It's kinda my thing.

Shits and giggles, what's your mastina read?

kinda dislike this too

new post again!

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Titus likely town, Bambi likely scum then.
If people think A50 is not gonna be the lynch today no matter what, we can go Bambi as well.

uhhh why is titus town?
i'm think a50 and bambi are both more than likely to be town; why are your reads like literally upside-down from mine ????

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This is why you were at the bottom of my list Una.

If it's worth anything, I have Una & Louisus down as very likely Town, and Liger as a slightly weaker TR (or maybe Liger was a stronger TR? I don;t even remember why exactly I ruled him out from being scum on D1).

why town!una?

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Interesting....

Bambi Jesus Lurker scumteam?

... where did these names (and/or categories of players) even come from?

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Oh, and I'll stop spamming for now, but before I go...

I know someone (probably A50 himself) is going to devalue that meta-read totally, and to be frank, I don't care.
I feel comfortable scumreading A50 here based on the way he posts, AND the way he has played overall so far.
I think scum!A50 needs a very strong and decisive team to play with, to be as successful as he is when town.
That's because he needs cohesion from his team to be able to make "scumreads" and "townreads" with decisive tone, while actually knowing they'll all end up being "false".
I think he wouldn't want to bus his buddies mindlessly, but he would hate to out a hasty/poor read as well (as it would eat at his credibility, and never meet his actual townplay-standards).
I can see all of these elements at play here.

(He's also one of the players who'd likely advocate for Boon to be killed N1, but that's neither here nor there as I believe most scum should.)

i don't really think this is an accurate way to meta a50 really
also your catchup has done like nothing to lessen the scumread i currently have on you

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That actually reminds me...

@Liger

- do you stand behind your claim of "Informed Town", with the information of something like "The scumteam has a Strongman?"
No wiggle room.

???? why would he retract this? like what's the point of this question even?

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Anyone not seeing Town!Una from his triple at the bottom of page 19 doesn't know Una at all!

explain it then

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Oh and Gamma is a lurker

i'm here now

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a50's town

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i don't really like xtoxm or asuka
neither are really scumreads; more like ~nullscum i think

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I am locking Una as town.

?????? why?

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Skitter has replaced that slot so let's see if he can redeem it.

(i'm a she btw)

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I thought his vote on you was very posturing (there is literally nothing in his iso indicates a strong read on you or mindset that he is strong scumreading you), but I thought his doubt about my claim was very town like.

Fair enough.
Do you think we should consider the pops wagon for a lynch today? Do you think scum are likely on the pops wagon or off of it?

i'd bet on at least two scum on that wagon

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eugh this game
skitter replaced gamma who i have no read on, so that doesnt help
lets see what she thinks

Is this not the most towniest post ever?

not really, why?

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VC 2.5

Titus (4)- Liger_Zero, Jesus Louisus, Bambi Jay, rosterfoster
rosterfoster (3)- Asuka, UnaBombaH, Almost50
Bambi Jay (2)- Titus, Clemency
Jesus Louisus (2)- Ausuka, Xtoxm
UnaBombaH (1)- Creature


Not voting (1)- skitter30

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-04 22:00:00)

Mod notes:

ok i'm caught up, ama

VOTE: titus l-2

i'd vote una too; dislike the roster wagon

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No idea why me and skitter so rarely manage to read each other correctly.

when's the last time i've played with you?
i don't remember how well i read you historically

do u have a read on my slot rn?

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VOTE: roster

how are you reading asuka (the anime one that's been here all game?)

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i don't tlike their una read and i think they're basically ~floating~ through the thread without contributing like ~real~ thoughts
also i'm pretty sure it was them (i read through like 30 pages in an hour so i might be wrong) but somewhere mid day2 they started goign back and asking people about posts in rvs and i just ... .don't get why; it looks like fake-contributing because i'm not sure how doing so is helpign her solve the game ~now~

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L.U.V. is a miller, but under his name it says he's also a "survivor", that makes it unfairly difficult to win as third party.

You know what? I'm never voting you this game (if I do, remind me of this post). I like a perceptive player (and I also feel guilty from last game).

While a silly post on the surface, I think this would fit scum!A50 again.
I'll try my best to avoid conf.bias while rereading the game, but I can already feel myself falling.

I am not a town leader, Bamboozle! My job is to shut up and eat a bullet between the eyes during N1.

So uhhh..this fits as well.

I think A50 is town too

Not sure how you arrived at that.

I'm thinking about 57 but 65 looks more NAI to me. This seems like the type of wifom anyone can make about nightkills in early game.

@Creature, what posts did you like from A50 prior to 81?

nm it wasn't randomly out of the blue but it was in response to una's ??? catchup and like i don't get why she's commenting on these here really

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that also didn't really capture why it's bothering me; when i figure out how to articulate it i'll try again

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well it's not coasting exactly so much as interacting really weirdly with the thread? or like weird interactions with other people i'm incidentally scumreading? idk

i don't get what you mean by the 'i think 90% of town is coasting to avoid being me'

i kinda like bambi atm cuz his scumreads kinda match mine

how are you reading me rn given that i'm on your wagon?

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yeah but the fact that bambi got there independently of me (ie my reads obvs didn't influence his) is a big plus imo; it makes me feel like he's approaching the game the same way that i am

i'm not convinced that the being weird in this context isn't ai

and i'm not convinced that bambi's entrance today was scummy either

pedit also not convinced that scum just auto-wagons people who call out a team or that town would not try even if that were true

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Bambi didn't get anywhere. Show me her thought process. It's just her OMGUSing me.

I've been lynched for being wierd so many times. I struggle to ever find it AI.

Scum don't wagon people for calling out teams unless they are right. It has such a chilling effect though.

sorry, i'm confused, why is this OMGUS and not him re-evaluating his reads at this time?

well, it doesn't really feel personality-weird, more ai-weird

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skitter30 replaces Gamma Emerald.
Seeking a replacement for Liger_Zero.

Hmmmm.. did I claim scum in this game yet??

i think ur town here tho!

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oh i should probably say:

town: bambi, maybe luv's slot, a50, maybe clem, maybe rosterfoster, creature, maybe liger_zero

not town: titus, una, asuka, xtoxm,

don't have a read on jl

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this actually wasn't that tell

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L.U.V. is a miller, but under his name it says he's also a "survivor", that makes it unfairly difficult to win as third party.

You know what? I'm never voting you this game (if I do, remind me of this post). I like a perceptive player (and I also feel guilty from last game).

Hmmm... maybe. Does your team have a Roleblocker?? I mean, this isn't a soft or anything, but the only way you leave me alive is by blocking me just in case.

VOTE: Almost50
Town!Almost50 wouldn't be that afraid to drop a crumb like that.

Who's afraid? And if I was I wouldn't have brought it up.

I have no idea why people underestimate roster. The guy is an astute player as either alignment, and I've seen nothing AI from him as of yet.

Hi Creature. Are you town?

I she ever nowadays?

I'm not a she.

^Sexist^

town posts for you ^^^^^ not so much alone but like in sequence

and there's a lot more like them

it's really a tonal thing more than anything else idk; i can usually tell in a few posts; and if i'm not townreading u soonish i get worried

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i take it you townread me then?

theoretically i'm fine with a l-1 but i like just got here and i don't want the day to end yet; still need to sort some people and i wouldn't be surprised if lolhammers happened in this pl

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ye

i hink the claim is prob real but i don't think it's inherently town-indicative (and is prob. slightly more scum indicative idk)

why'd you block jl?

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right, idk if scum have a strongman and an rb

idk

@titus are you shot-limited or gated or anything?

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Well Titus basically put the ball on Jesus with that. If he was a PR needing results he'd know she's legit but if he doesn't get pure results or indication of a roleblock we can't be sure.

Bambi, rolefish much?

This is kinda bad

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i hink the claim is prob real but i don't think it's inherently town-indicative (and is prob. slightly more scum indicative idk)

OK, not exactly arguing for/against you here, but I really want to try and see it your way:

Would scum!Titus "fake" her role as a RB? (I guess you already answered with "i think the claim is prob real"), so next question: You think scum!Titus (who is indeed a RB) tells us straight up that her role is RB?? I mean, the role itself is more commonly associated with the scum alignment(s), so why couldn't she have thought of ANYTHING better to claim (Jailkeeper comes to mind as a first choice for the RB to fake)

Idk, why wouldn't she? If she's scum she might just want to claim the actual role so as to not get into a messy cc with anyone else

I asked if she was gated because i feel like a full rb is less likely to be scum, esp. If they have a strongman, that's a lot of power

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Oh for that we gotta wait until she answers why she chose you. But if we caught her lying it would've been SO much easier then this.

Day 1 was a flash wagon. Jesus looked the scummiest to my gut based on the flip and votes.

Plus, I got to say I am going to Hell for stopping Jesus. Lol

You were incidentally on that wagon tho

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: roster

VOTE: Xtoxm

Can i interest any of u in voting una?

VOTE: una

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Right, but my point is that from my pov you're a pretty good pick for scum influencing that mislynch

Can u talk about ur una read as well?

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p. sure ausuka is town

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hbd skitter!!

i hink the claim is prob real but i don't think it's inherently town-indicative (and is prob. slightly more scum indicative idk)

OK, not exactly arguing for/against you here, but I really want to try and see it your way:

Would scum!Titus "fake" her role as a RB? (I guess you already answered with "i think the claim is prob real"), so next question: You think scum!Titus (who is indeed a RB) tells us straight up that her role is RB?? I mean, the role itself is more commonly associated with the scum alignment(s), so why couldn't she have thought of ANYTHING better to claim (Jailkeeper comes to mind as a first choice for the RB to fake)

Idk, why wouldn't she? If she's scum she might just want to claim the actual role so as to not get into a messy cc with anyone else

I asked if she was gated because i feel like a full rb is less likely to be scum, esp. If they have a strongman, that's a lot of power

Yeah, I kinda mentioned the alternative I think I would have opted to if I was a scum RB. Claiming JK would be a suitable fake claim, and even if CC'd that's not so bad considering my team shoots the JK (it's almost guaranteed HK doesn't exist with a Doctor).

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Right, but my point is that from my pov you're a pretty good pick for scum influencing that mislynch

Can u talk about ur una read as well?

How is a self-described "opportunistic vote" influencing people to mislynch

My una read comes from how my scumread treat una. I'm getting treated similarly which suggests a similar alignment. Plus, I agree with most of what he says.

the oppurtunistic vote just felt bad, and felt like you didn't care about pop's alignment

i'm kinda scumreading una at least in part because people i'm scumreading are mysteriously townreading him for no good reason that i can tell

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@everyone other than skitter - do you have any gutreads/meta on skitter being this set on a scumread? (on me here)
I mean...the effort here seems towny enough (I guess?), but I also feel like she could be putting in some extra work to get her slot out of the gutter.
After all, she IS creating another wagon to compete with the two more "wanted" wagons, while shrugging at them herself.
I think her scumread (or "scumread", I guess) seems like NAI, but the effort she has spent on my slot alone seems not as productive as it could've been.
I guess I'm not necessarily one to say anything to anyone about effort here, but I feel like she is suffering from severe conf.bias no matter what.

this is awful, no offense

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if you think i'm scum vote me; don't do the half-assed shading thing @una

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I didn't. I voted pops to get wagon data and start the game.

ok fair enough; i don't think i scumread you anymore actually

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A50 + Titus + Skitter would be a scumteam that would make me cringe so hard my teeth would fall off.

If that was ever the case the game would be over already!

I've never had a team with Skitter. I'd want to though.

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Happy Birthday Skitter, what gift do you want?

tyty

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@skitter

Are you still sold on your Una vote?

@Everyone
Have you ever played with Scum!Xt before?

what's the point of asking me this and what gave you the impression that i wasn't

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Not sure how I feel about skitter. I like her A50 read but feel like I really disagree with the una scumread and roster townread. She says she started townreading roster because of day 1 play... Open aggression and shitposting? What is town in roster's day 1?

Not really sure what to do with that slot, and given how much she's posted I feel like I should be townreading her if she's town but so far I'm not

idk, it was a tone-read on roster; he felt very ~relaxed~
i strongly disagree with your una read, to the point that it's making me wonder if you might be scum with him

why would you townread me based on how much i've psoted; what does one thing have to do with the other here?

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Any of Asuka/A50/Xtoxm need the chop

why not una?

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if you think i'm scum vote me; don't do the half-assed shading thing @una

Didn't do any shading.
It's called "asking for help on metareads" and "outing your gutreads".
I have no need or want to shade you.

the whole post was full of shade, don't be ridiculous

@everyone other than skitter - do you have any gutreads/meta on skitter being this set on a scumread? (on me here)
I mean...the effort here seems towny enough

(I guess?)

, but I also feel like she could be putting in some extra work to get her slot

out of the gutter.

After all, she IS creating another wagon to compete with the two more "wanted" wagons, while shrugging at them herself.

I think her scumread (

or "scumread", I guess

) seems like NAI,

but the effort she has spent on my slot alone seems not as productive as it could've been.

I guess I'm not necessarily one to say anything to anyone about effort here, but I feel like she is suffering from severe conf.bias no matter what.

the bolded is all shade
italics: so what? like why is this a point that you feel the need to bring out?
underlined: what does this mean?

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like you're insinuating that i'm faking reads (and that my slot is in a worse position in the gamestate than it actually is), and shade my effort, but you don't come out and scumread me; you're instead settling for maybe?town while shading my slot

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vla for a couple of days

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@skitter

Are you still sold on your Una vote?

@Everyone
Have you ever played with Scum!Xt before?

what's the point of asking me this and what gave you the impression that i wasn't

Ok. I get the confusion from my wording.

I'll try again.

Would it be possible for you to switch your vote from Una to X?

i doubt it

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Gonna be occupied by my sisters wedding for the rest of the week, but will be able to take a vacation starting next Monday!
Meaning that I'll be barely online until Monday, but after that, I'll try to do some heavy lifting.

congrats on the wedding, i hope you have a good time

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una is english your first language?

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This is not a jab at you or Gamma (actually really like them), but the fact that your slot hadn't posted much of anything in a while, even resulting in a replacement, around the time people started to question the "lurking" and all... I feel like you might've taken it upon yourself to "obv.town" right out of the gates to make sure all those negative feelings would be forgotten once and for all.

i mean i don't think i 'took it upon myself to obvtown' or am doing anything in particular to make myself look that, i just kinda naturally come off that way

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Yet again, not knowing your alignment and trying to process everything you have brought forward, I'm admitting that it troubles me that you are trying to start a counterwagon out of a scratch.

i mean, yes, because i don't like the two other wagons that are happenign rn. what else should i be doing?

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Well it simply means that from my PoV you have decided I am scum, and seemingly spent most of the effort you put into your catchup, into finding scumtells from my posts.
Not saying your effort wasn't "much" or "great", but the targeting is off. And I feel like you could've made more good observations and points if you hadn't fallen victim to conf.bias so early on.
Or you are just scum, looking for a push that fits your agenda.
But.
Whether you like/believe it or not, I am aware of the fact that I might suffer from a major case of OMGUS when it's myself who's being paraded as scum.
And whaddaya know - I asked from others for meta-/gutreads on you. You know, to potentially get the 3rd person view.

i don't think iw as looking to scumcase you so much as you seemed you really scummy to me in my catchup, which is not quite the same thing. also not looking for a push to fit an agenda; i just think you're scum

also, again, when's the last time i played with you? i don't remember how i usually read you and i'm not sure it's an accurate statement to say that i always read your posts in a negative light (i'm not sure that it's inaccurate either; i just don't remember)

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can i just go with magic? idk how to describe it really
like it actually feels like she cares about the things she's posting; when she's scum her psots feel either more agenda-y or like she's posting because she needs to post to not get prodding

i actually think she cares about the lines of enquiry she's pursuing here

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una is english your first language?

No, it isn't.
Although I do think my vocabulary is on a decent enough level and grammar much not so difficult, so I hope you wouldn't put the blame of my apparent scummyness on my english-skills..

Well it's not putting the blame on it so much as i think i may have been reading your tone differently than you're intending to write it
(Your vocab and grammar are great!!!)
Still think you're scummy tho, but i'm dropping the shade thing cuz i don't think you meant it that way

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I have like zero thoughts on xtoxm
Let's lynch una tho!

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@mod can we get a vc please?

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Because from my perspective you only jumped to Titus' side after said claim. Anything you say gives me more reason to not like you, but on the Brightside if you flip scum Titus will be an IC to me at that point.

A) i'm now townreading titus adter her claim - how does that impact your read on me?

B) can you draw the connection betweeen scum!ausuka and town!titus again?

C) i'm p sure ausuka is town

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You do realize una is likely scumdriven as we've been in lockstep all day.

Well i'm town and i think creature is more likely town than not so ...
Which of the two of us do you think is scum?

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I still don't like the roster wagon

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You do realize una is likely scumdriven as we've been in lockstep all day.

Well i'm town and i think creature is more likely town than not so ...
Which of the two of us do you think is scum?

I'm saying your wagon is scumdriven, meaning the players pushing you.

.... there isnt a wagon on me? I'm confused

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Feel better!

Ok so given the una wagon (me/creature) do u think anyone on it is scum?

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Why do i feel like nobody's posting ...

Bambi how are you reading me?

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@bambi why is jl town?

Also i'm still p sure ausuka is town

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oh boy a lot has happened since i was last here, catching up now

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hey blake

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Well she's rubbing me the wrong way but there's a reason I didn't put her as scum with Xtoxm. .

As for Jesus I (most likely) know who they are and am glad they're here for 1, and know this is their town meta.

For 2... Can you point to me what makes you think they're scum? I'll explain why that's probably townie.

i don't know if i scumread him so much .... as i don't townread anything that he said, and tha ti'm a little bit confused how anyone *is* townreading him
can you point to some things you think are townie?

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why is this iso still alive?

why are people townreading this slot?

boom, big push to quicklynch bambi. doesn't go through. oh now bambi is town

now just random vote hopping to any wagon with momentum for the rest of the day

all the pushes from this slot are pure noise

where is town here?

oh no asuka is scum
i would very happily vote this btw ^^^^^

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I mean he's certainly capable of spamming the thread, but the game has massively slowed down. Why did the game slow down? Roster realized he wasn't getting townread for his noisy spam anymore, so now he just sort of lurks and hopes the people on his wagon will get bored

uhhhhh it's a little falacious imo to link the slow gamestate to ... roster lurking because he isn't getting townread
i don't really feel like this is a real thought

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I can go elsewhere besides X but just not on roster or bambi. Is there anyone else you would like to push on more today?

idk, do you have a strong read on skitter one way or the other? I really don't want to break off from roster just because of town apathy and some minor pushback, but having a metric to sort skitter would be really helpful. I have no idea if she's easier to read under pressure though

have you ever played with me before?
i'm also un-v/la i think

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does anyone have a strong read on a50?

creature why do you look so frozen?

i'd probably vote roster over xtoxm or unah

a50's town; i'd bet the game on it

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Skitter and I having a consensus is usually a good sign.

yeah i'm p sure you're town here

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LZ might be scum.

Titus being town depends on the informed of mafia strongman thing. Because otherwise I think Titus is a scum roleblocker.

i'm p sure the mafia strongman thing is real, and i think that scum rb + scum strongman is kinda strong

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i can vote xtoxm i think

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Yeah. I knew he couldn't confirm Titus' roleblock no matter what so I knew I wasnt outting a PR. More subtle hint then I usually do for this stuff.

i guess i'm a little dubious just because .... i know you fake-claim a lot so it's kinda hard for me to believe any claim you make

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UNVOTE:

But... vanilla cops don't get innocent results.

vanilla cops find vts? or do goons/vts return the same?

if that's the case i'm slightly more likely to believe bambi's role, and slightly more likely to think jl is scum

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Does Titus have a completed town game since returning to the site?

I don't remember any offhand.

c9+++ in the open queue

i don't townread u rn either

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rolefishing obviously pretty common scum play when going down
outside chance of scum theatre but probably not

Why not claim something that gains a useful cc like cop or jailkeeper then?

yeah this is kinda what i'm thinking?
or he's like a traitor trying to signal to scum!jl? because idk why scum!him does this to town!jl really? or to a partner?

cuz otherwise why doesn't he just claim a good role; the intent of the fake-claim clearly had something to do with jl in particular

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i think all of liger, ausuka, and titus are town
i feel like scum are lurkers and/or low-impact players

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VOTE: Ausuka

bad vote

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I still have 20 pages left to go before I'm fully caught up, but I'm starting to hit a point where I think I have a solid PoE.

Creature is obvtown.
rosterfoster is close to obvtown.
Bambi Jay feels closer to town!Jay than scum!jay, I don't believe it's very likely that he managed to fake everything that he's posted so far; I think it's probably a bit out of his scumrange to be able to keep up this level of content what that tone for so long.
Xtoxm is likely town, although I'd like for him to drop an updated reads list at some point so I can double check this read.
UnaBombaH feels like town, even if I don't really understand what exactly he's trying to do this game.
Almost50 doesn't look like scum!A50, but I think I still need some time to solidify this since I'm seeing potential scum equity here indirectly still.

My top three scum reads (in no particular order) so far are:
Titus
Jesus Louisus
Ausuka

I have no real read on the Liger_Zero or Gamma Emerald slots; they're both in this nebulous region where I don't think I have a strong enough grasp on how they handle day ones to be able to confidently sort them from that, but also having a small enough amount of content that I can't really sort them outside of that either.

a) i'm v confident a50 is town
b) why are you townreading una?
c) i'm p sure titus is town now, as is ausuka; i don't like your scumpool much at all
d) i'm interested in ur read on me when you've finished catching up

[skitter30]

I am very disappointed at how unsynced Skitter and I are this game.

yeah and it's making me think you're scum
i'm confused why you made this post but gamma is in your readslist

[skitter30]

I'm stopping at the top of page 34.

If you just assume that Liger_Zero is town, then the team literally can only be Titus + Jesus Louisus + Ausuka.

Everybody else is at least a moderate townread to me except for skitter30, who I never have a strong read on anyways.

Jesus Louisus votes, please.

oh no you might be scum too
i strongly disagree with your scumpool; i was thinking of voting jesus but this is making me not want to

[skitter30]

Trust me, roster.

Jay is awkward as either alignment.
Jay fakeclaims as either alignment.

The difference is that he's not using his fakeclaim as an attempt to clear himself (which Titus' claim can easily be), and he's actively trying to sort otherwise. He's just Jay, so he's awkward about it, but he is definitely not handling it like he did in Non-Reviewed Game.

this kinda feels like a whiteknight

[skitter30]

VOTE: A50

I don't care how much heat this gets me. That kinda shit is garbage.

I am just beginning to think site meta has finally reverted to brainless fucking town.

he's town

[skitter30]

VC 2.10

Bambi Jay (4)- rosterfoster, Xtoxm, Creature, Jesus Louisus
rosterfoster (2)- Asuka, Almost50
Xtoxm (1)- Bambi Jay
UnaBombaH (1)- skitter30
Creature (1)- Liger_Zero
Jesus Louisus (1)- Blake Belladonna
Almost50 (1)- Titus


Not voting (2)- UnaBombaH, Ausuka

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-04 22:00:00)

Mod notes: titus is v/la until saturday
rosterfoster v/la for a couple of days
if you need a vc and i'm awake, please feel free to poke me on Discord - Tom#4827

i'm not really intersted in like any of these wagons besides for like .... una and xtoxm, and i'm p sure all of {a50/creature/roster} are town (roster the least strong)
i was considering voting jl but ank's on it so i don't like that rn
don't really want to vote bambi

i want to vote asuka and i kinda think blake may be scum too

i'm caught up, yay

[skitter30]

they're both townie for them

a50's posts aren't relaxed in this way when h'es scum

[skitter30]

Ok. Can we talk about where i'm going wrong if you're town then? Because rn i really don't see it

[skitter30]

VOTE: asuka

[skitter30]

I still have 20 pages left to go before I'm fully caught up, but I'm starting to hit a point where I think I have a solid PoE.

Creature is obvtown.
rosterfoster is close to obvtown.
Bambi Jay feels closer to town!Jay than scum!jay, I don't believe it's very likely that he managed to fake everything that he's posted so far; I think it's probably a bit out of his scumrange to be able to keep up this level of content what that tone for so long.
Xtoxm is likely town, although I'd like for him to drop an updated reads list at some point so I can double check this read.
UnaBombaH feels like town, even if I don't really understand what exactly he's trying to do this game.
Almost50 doesn't look like scum!A50, but I think I still need some time to solidify this since I'm seeing potential scum equity here indirectly still.

My top three scum reads (in no particular order) so far are:
Titus
Jesus Louisus
Ausuka

I have no real read on the Liger_Zero or Gamma Emerald slots; they're both in this nebulous region where I don't think I have a strong enough grasp on how they handle day ones to be able to confidently sort them from that, but also having a small enough amount of content that I can't really sort them outside of that either.

a) i'm v confident a50 is town
b) why are you townreading una?
c) i'm p sure titus is town now, as is ausuka; i don't like your scumpool much at all
d) i'm interested in ur read on me when you've finished catching up

I am very disappointed at how unsynced Skitter and I are this game.

yeah and it's making me think you're scum
i'm confused why you made this post but gamma is in your readslist

Can you talk about these?

[skitter30]

@ank the only one i really see as scum in your pool rn is jesus

idk sometimes i'm more aggressive than not; it's mostly not something i vary on purpose, tends to depend on my mood, how much wim i have, etc

what do you think about asuka?

[skitter30]

i'm actually kinda confused by the bambi v jesus thing; can someone give me a tldr?

[skitter30]

from the last couple of pages i actually think jesus is more likely to be town?

[skitter30]

Jesus what made you change your read on Bambi after you discovered he was lying about his role?

Is this a serious question? I think Bambi

lying about my role

is a damn good reason for my read to change...

You said that you agreed that it could come from any alignment though?

I do agree that Bambi does this as town or scum, this time I'm more inclined to think it comes from scum!bambi.

Looking at this from a differnet perspective then... If I was shot for my Vanilla Cop claim that would've mean't they had a REASON to worry about a VC checking them. We would've lost a scummy VT and Mafia wasted a valuable shot on me, maybe even a Strong arm.

If you didn't want to be locked in a VT claim that's more understandable maybe, but weird that you would want to out me publically instead of waiting until tommorow to see if scum shot me for it. Unless you couldn't tell the scum any other way?

If you were a Traitor who didn't want scum to waste a shot on me... That makes a shitton of sense.

VOTE: Jesus

Why didn't you wait to out me the next day then as town if me fake claiming gets me shot by mafia tonight?

i don't understand this like at all .... why would scum be afraid of a vc checking them .... ? unless i don't know what a vc is it can't even get guilties; at best it can find scum prs (and can't even say what the prs are!)

so why would they nk you over this?

[skitter30]

i'm strongly considering it, yeah

can you summarize the bambi v jesus thing tho first, i'm not sure i'm following what happened correctly

[skitter30]

i don't feel like that claim would have given him high nk equity in this gamestate

i still believe the strongman claim btw

[skitter30]

so why did you fake-claim on jesus in particular again?

[skitter30]

i actually also thought he was krazy for a while

ok, and the point of the fake-claim in the first place was ....

[skitter30]

i actually kinda think you're tvt oddly enough

if i had to pick one more likely to be town rn i think jesus (doen't feel like a scum reaction to getting fake-outed as a vt i think) but i kinda believe you, even though this whole thing is incredibly suboptimal and scummy and bad

i also kinda think you probably shouldn't make endgame after this but i don't really think you're scum

[skitter30]

Wait, you guys thought the mod was playing???

?

[skitter30]

i'm not really either

this still feels like a game where scum are lurking and are kinda low-impact

i'd really want asuka but i kinda doubt that's happening today

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

Sigh. Perhaps panic claiming and relying on an alt being who you thought they were was never a great idea. Now I'm using scumtells on someone who it probably isn't even is.

If any Vigilantes do exist, even X-shot or JOAT types, just shoot me and confirm yourself. Might as well be useful to SOMEONE.

Skitter, is Xtoxm still available or has he been townie at all?

normally i'd townread this but now i'm wondering if there's a scum doc or bp or something

i guess i could vote xtoxm, would prefer asuka by quite a bit tho

pedit he's dead

[skitter30]

i'm wondering if should read that as a townslip

[skitter30]

yeah but do you forgett hat if you're on the scumteam that killed him tho, that is the question

[skitter30]

i think on balance i townread bambi more than xtoxm but would prefer to lynch bambi
this is confusing

[skitter30]

if we're going to compromise somewhere is it at all possible for it to be on asuka instead of xtoxm?

[skitter30]

why is this iso still alive?

why are people townreading this slot?

boom, big push to quicklynch bambi. doesn't go through. oh now bambi is town

now just random vote hopping to any wagon with momentum for the rest of the day

all the pushes from this slot are pure noise

where is town here?

oh no asuka is scum
i would very happily vote this btw ^^^^^

i've seen scum say this sort of thing *a lot*

it's ridiculously fallacious to push someone on the basis of being 'not townie' (i.e. as opposed to being scummy). scum tend to push this as being a good reason to push someone:
look at him! he's not being townie! why should we keep him alive? why shouldn't we lynch him ???
and esp. tend to do use it as a reason to push the leading wagon du jour.
it's a signifier that they don't actually scumread you (they can't point to something they actually find scummy), but that they want the wagon to gain/keep momentum

i've caught scum with this *a bunch* of times. don't remember town saying this ever

[skitter30]

I can't think of a town role w/out a night action that's townie here.

idk they can be a neighbor or something?
bp too

commuter, ascetic, informed; i can think of a bunch of things that wouldn't have noticed being rb'd

even night, novice, other varients of night-specific would not have noticed being rb'd either

[skitter30]

also at the time they said that i'm p sure you were the leading wagon @roster

[skitter30]

i've caught scum with this *a bunch* of times. don't remember town saying this ever

actually i'm mistaken; i mistakenly scumread i townie for this once

but i think this tell i'm like 5/6 on

[skitter30]

I can't think of a town role w/out a night action that's townie here.

idk they can be a neighbor or something?
bp too

commuter, ascetic, informed; i can think of a bunch of things that wouldn't have noticed being rb'd

even night, novice, other varients of night-specific would not have noticed being rb'd either

Informed is out because Liger.
Ascetic claims post 1.
Neighbor or Mason would have outed.
Night specific is a thing but Jesus would have hinted at a modifier rather than a role.
BP would be more vocal and leadery.

It makes most sense that Jesus is the strongman.

I feel like you're treating 'didnt claim rb'd' and 'is claiming to not be a vt' as comtradictions when i'm p sure they arent

[skitter30]

i've caught scum with this *a bunch* of times. don't remember town saying this ever

actually i'm mistaken; i mistakenly scumread i townie for this once

but i think this tell i'm like 5/6 on

You know if Asuka flips town I'll suppose you're scum peeling for Jesus right.

I know. I also incidentally happen to not care, and scumread askua much more than i do jesus

[skitter30]

Because if Jesus was town, you'd think my argument would naturally hold more water to scumfucks, right?

But when Skitter gives an out, the wagon starts shifting.

When Jesus flips scum, we take a long hard look at skitter and blake.

Ngl this is spooking me a bit

[skitter30]

uhh i just realized that it's also possible for bambi to be scum who thought jesus would go along w/ the plan. i don't think that's anymore likely than a t!bambi world necessarily though.

i don't think jesus could be bp: i guess some-nights-specific would work however and i don't think it's necessarily worth speculating about it

@skitter: i don't get what you're saying w/ that asuka post? like, you're saying that asuka said that because she can't point to something she actually finds scummy, but she does point out stuff she finds scummy in the post you quoted.

I feel like its the kind if thinga scum say when they've looked through an iso and are trying to pick out things they can push someone for

She doesn't even call the things she pulled out 'scummy' - she calls them 'noise' - i don't know why she finds the things she's highlighting scummy

[skitter30]

VOTE: asuka, the anime girl

Oh u thought i was trying to lynch ausuka? Lol

[skitter30]

oh no asuka is scum

Sadly, I concur. It's PoE though.

not poe for me; legit scumread

[skitter30]

Btw, the reason I was VLA is my mom was in hospital and I was alternating night care duties with my youngest brother. I didn't want to say it at the time because I didn't want anyone to think I was using out-of-game influence to get by. I am home now (and so is she) so I am trying to get a hold of the game.

Silly proposition (and very much unlike me): Would a mass claim help here?? I am specifically asking skitter and Ank (BB). skitter because I 100% trust her by now, and Ank bc she's working on finding out the setup. I am not really going to ask for a mass claim at this point though, but just seeing what everybody thinks (yes, everybody can speak their minds. Just because I am specifically asking 2 slots doesn't mean someone else can't say what they think is best).

i sincerely hope your mom is ok!

nah i don't think massclaim at this point in the day is such a great idea; we can explore this again tomorrow

[skitter30]

I’d be down for Titus instead of you’re up for that Slitter

GDI! How does anyone TR this??

@skitter: Why is roster town again??

idk
his tone feels ~relaxed~ and natural

[skitter30]

I do not care about the vanilla cop gambit at all.

I strongly believe that Bambi Jay would pull a similar stunt as either alignment, and the fact that people are sorting these two slots based on that is more than a little ridiculous to me. I strongly believe that Jesus Louisus, regardless of alignment, would have fought against an incorrect vanilla check.

So the thing i'm kinda feeling is that if jesus were scum here - why doesnt he push bambi harder for lying? It's a pretty easy thing to ride to a mislych, if bambi is town

His initial reaction felt confused, like he didnt know how to react or how he should be reading bambi and the gambit

[skitter30]

i'm not really either

this still feels like a game where scum are lurking and are kinda low-impact

i'd really want asuka but i kinda doubt that's happening today

i actually kinda think you're tvt oddly enough

if i had to pick one more likely to be town rn i think jesus

(doen't feel like a scum reaction to getting fake-outed as a vt i think) but i kinda believe you, even though this whole thing is incredibly suboptimal and scummy and bad

i also kinda think you probably shouldn't make endgame after this but i don't really think you're scum

Jesus Louisus fits the bill of your scumteam to a T, and you're townreading him more than a slot that has consistently been in the spotlight through his own actions as well as how the game has played around him.

Asuka might be scum this game, but this is not a good reason to be townreading Jesus Louisus, especially when your thoughts on the gambit are dissonant from your overall view of the game.

I independently believe that the way he responded to the gambit is at best null and at worst lightly scum-indicative, but I won't go into that here since it's a dead end engagement.

A) like i just said, i don't really feel like his reaction came from scum
B) i'm a little confused why you seem to be townreading me here
C) yeah i still strongly feel like there's scum in the people lurking and/or low impact slots

[skitter30]

I actually wouldn't mind getting a full claim from jesus, mow that i think about it

[skitter30]

VOTE: Xtoxm

Can u vote asula instead?

[skitter30]

You assumed mafia shot flavor. It could have easily been a vig who shot flavor and I blocked the mafia kill by blocking jesus.

Rosterfoster, this is a scumclaim.

No town would ever think this.

A) p sure liger is town, even independantly of his info
B) i'd be kinda surprised if titus/liger cooked that up in pregame
C) ehy is this a scumclaim?

[skitter30]

if bambi/jesus are a team, why did that thing happen at all
if jesus is scum but bambi isn't, why didn't jesus push bambi harder; it would be p easy to score a mislynch off of that imo?

i guess this is where i'm stuck ^^^^

and yeah i don't get why that's a scum thought process

[skitter30]

I do not care about the vanilla cop gambit at all.

I strongly believe that Bambi Jay would pull a similar stunt as either alignment, and the fact that people are sorting these two slots based on that is more than a little ridiculous to me. I strongly believe that Jesus Louisus, regardless of alignment, would have fought against an incorrect vanilla check.

So the thing i'm kinda feeling is that if jesus were scum here - why doesnt he push bambi harder for lying? It's a pretty easy thing to ride to a mislych, if bambi is town

His initial reaction felt confused, like he didnt know how to react or how he should be reading bambi and the gambit

Jesus is town.
Bambi is town.

This entire line of reasoning is a waste of time to follow through on because of these facts.

i'm confused by this post.
can you clarify how you're reading me again

[skitter30]

You assumed mafia shot flavor. It could have easily been a vig who shot flavor and I blocked the mafia kill by blocking jesus.

Rosterfoster, this is a scumclaim.

No town would ever think this.

A) p sure liger is town, even independantly of his info
B) i'd be kinda surprised if titus/liger cooked that up in pregame
C) ehy is this a scumclaim?

There's no reason to townread Liger this game.

strong disagree

[skitter30]

so do you think that all my reads are bad or something?
like i guess i'm just confused why you're not feeling wary of the fact that my reads differ so strongly from yours

like the fact that my reads are ???? upside down from yours almost is making me wonder whether or not you're just making them up

[skitter30]

Didnt u just scumcase jesus or ...?

[skitter30]

Can you walk me very slowly through the thought process that led you to go from scumcasing him to townreading him?

[skitter30]

i mean ... ok?
you understand why i find that to be a little strange, right?

[skitter30]

can i interest you in voting asuka?

[skitter30]

idk what 'peeling' means

[skitter30]

i mean i have a guess as to what may have happened there
and a 180 read change like that had to have come from somewhere
but from my pov that's a pretty bizarre trajectory and it's making it hard to track your thought process, which i'm having a hard time with anyways

[skitter30]

eh should i say my moonlogic theory for what happened to ank's scumread on jesus?

also @ank from my pov i'm starting with liger's info being true, and from there, working up to it's unlikely for scum to have both a strongman and rb, so titus's claim points to town; i think you're starting with: scum-titus, so it's unlikely scum also have a strongman, so liger made the claim up

[skitter30]

also i think ausuka is in her town meta imo

[skitter30]

eh should i say my moonlogic theory for what happened to ank's scumread on jesus?

also @ank from my pov i'm starting with liger's info being true, and from there, working up to it's unlikely for scum to have both a strongman and rb, so titus's claim points to town; i think you're starting with: scum-titus, so it's unlikely scum also have a strongman, so liger made the claim up

I'll just be blunt with you, skitter.

I have role related reasons to be very suspicious of Titus.

Do not reveal your theory.

also i think ausuka is in her town meta imo

This suggests that you don't think she's transparently town.

If she isn't transparently town after the level of effort she's put into the game, then she isn't town.

ok i won't

not sure where i implied she isn't transparently town; for her i think she is

i don't think i'm interested in titus today, sorry
could maybe be interested in swinging back to jesus (despite the theory, cuz it's just a theory)

(also @titus i'm a she btw)

[skitter30]

i don't understand why you're townreading me (as i've said multiple times) so i can't answer that question

i'm town, but i don't understand the thought process that you've used to get to that read so idk if it's a good read or not

[skitter30]

Skitter, do you see a flaw in my theory?

not sure which theory - the bambi/doctor one? it's very moonlogic-y; kinda doubt that that's what happened
(mine's a lot more grounded in like ... things that could have happened)

i don't understand why you're townreading me (as i've said multiple times) so i can't answer that question

i'm town, but i don't understand the thought process that you've used to get to that read so idk if it's a good read or not

Then please pay attention. Read through what I've posted and tell me where you disagree and why.

are you talking about how you're reading me or like in a general sense we should talk about why i disagree with your reads
(if the latter not until i get home from work)

[skitter30]

i'm not interested in titus today

[skitter30]

sigh

[skitter30]

ank, are you saying that you think scum!titus is a scum!rb, or that scum!titus is just lying about her role altogether

[skitter30]

sigh

[skitter30]

ok
do you think that strongman and rb are likely together?

[skitter30]

@Mod: If a hypothetical strongman targeted a hypothetical PGO, who would die?

P sure both of them hypothetically.

vc when you have a chance?

thanks!

also i like the spiffy new avatar!

[skitter30]

i'm really not vibing this push on titus rn

[skitter30]

is that addressed to me?

[skitter30]

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

if hypothetically you knew for sure there was a strongman would that make titus not mechanically scum?

No.

Her claim is suspicious whether there is a strongman or not.

A town roleblocker does not justify a mafia strongman AND town being informed of a strongman. My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

I have no idea what you're talkinf about

[skitter30]

oh and the other bit i'm confused about is why you only suddenly started pushing titus this hard today

[skitter30]

nope, that still doesn't add up as far as i can tell; why does vig imply she's a strong scum pr?

[skitter30]

Town Only
Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Juvenile Delinquent, Mason, Miller, Named Townie, Super Saint, Vigilante, Vengeful,

i had to check

no, i'm incredibly confused wrt your logic here from my pov

[skitter30]

I find that idea ridiculous.

I find it just as ridiculous that there is a town roleblocker and an informed townie that says there is a strongman.

if hypothetically you knew for sure there was a strongman would that make titus not mechanically scum?

No.

Her claim is suspicious whether there is a strongman or not.

A town roleblocker does not justify a mafia strongman AND town being informed of a strongman.

My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

this doesn't make sense to me whatsoever, esp. given a vig claim

[skitter30]

my role ffs

strongman + vig makes sense with my role, as far as i can tell your role has nothing to do with titus being a rb or not, and it doesn't justify your push

[skitter30]

that's what i've been trying to get at all afternoon; i thought you were pushing her at least in part because you were dubious about her role

[skitter30]

i'll be more explicit at this point: strongman makes a lot of sense with my role, and scum never claims the way liger did

[skitter30]

My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

yeah this

i'm the sufficient town power that a strongman would counter
idk if it would justify town also being informed that scum have a strongman but scum having a strongman makes a lot of sense

[skitter30]

Scum usually gey roleblockers for either strong investigatives or Vigilantes. That certainly qualifies.

Blake:

Considering Titus corrected me nearly instantly about a possible vigilante, it's possible she knew it was a vigi because scum failed to NK for some reason?

This is assuming you shot Flavor or your shot otherwise failed, obviously.

eh this is actually a good point worth consideirng imo

pedit ok this finally makes some amoutn of sense

i gotta go i'll be back in ~ an hour

[skitter30]

there aren't sk's in this game, see the op

so i guess did titus block the nk?

[skitter30]

Jesus Louisus is town.

And if scum have a strongman, why did the scum NK fail?

It might be shot-limited? Idk

Or maybe they shot fl too?

I'm trying to figure out where the nk went

[skitter30]

My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

Why does your role imply this?

[skitter30]

Also, if FL is town then Jesus is confscum because of the blocked kill.

This means scum didn't use a strongman.
That means a gated strongman or Liger is scum.

Not confscum, there are other ways for the nk to have failed but i think they're less likely

[skitter30]

My role is sufficient evidence that there is no reason to believe that there is sufficient town power that a strongman would counter in order to justify town specifically needing to know that mafia have a strongman. It does not fit the setup.

Why does your role imply this?

Because of information I have that you missed.

Generally, when town is informed of a specific role existing, it's specifically because it would cause a lot of problems otherwise for town. With the level of town power I am currently aware of, as well as how my role is gated, I find it very suspicious that there is both a mafia strongman and a town ungated roleblocker.

From my pov scum strongman makes a lot of sense. I can't talk about the viability of an rb; you saying this set off major red flags because i know thay there's enough to town pr to justify a strongman

[skitter30]

You assumed mafia shot flavor. It could have easily been a vig who shot flavor and I blocked the mafia kill by blocking jesus.

@ank i finally get this now

i'm still mulling this over but i understand where you're coming from now

[skitter30]

eh i kinda did it to you too, sorry :/

now i know you're town at least

i really didn't get where you were coming from because from my pov scum!rb doesn't make sense with a strongman and i'm p sure a strongman is a thing

if she's an rb i don't think she's scum; if she's lying than idk

[skitter30]

Also, if FL is town then Jesus is confscum because of the blocked kill.

This means scum didn't use a strongman.
That means a gated strongman or Liger is scum.

titus do you really think that a rb-guilty makes someone confscum ... ?

[skitter30]

again both shots could have landed on flavor; there could be a commuter; scum didn't use a strongman and got docced/jk'd/hit bp/etc

probably other things but i thought of at elast 3 ways that he isn't confscum

you also tried ot confscum him when bambi did the vanilla cop thing

[skitter30]

having the strongman out would be nice, yeah

[skitter30]

This is confusing me still and I would rather Ank shoots Titus if she thinks Titus is scum. I don't even know why she would push Titus for the lynch and out herself as the Vig in this game status.

well at this point this isn't viable if titus is actually an rb so

but i guess this is one way of testing that :shrug:

[skitter30]

maybe they rolecopped jesus or something; i wonder why she's trying to get him lynched so bad despite his role

[skitter30]

my role ffs

strongman + vig makes sense with my role, as far as i can tell your role has nothing to do with titus being a rb or not, and it doesn't justify your push

Everytime someone softs a PR a little piece if me dies. I mean, we've all agreed it's role madness (well, most of us did) so why don;t we all assume we are all PRs (aside from Bambi) and carry on without giving scum a road map for whom to target with their abilities.

i know, i got really frustrated, sorry :/

i almost posted something along these lines about six times but didn't, so it's a work in progress

[skitter30]

Skitter, are you recognizing why I am suspicious of Ausuka for how she's been playing around this wagon?

no i'm p sure ausuka is town irregardless of titus shenanigans; this is a reads-based role, not based on setup spec

[skitter30]

i'd feel really dumb hammering town!titus here, ngl

[skitter30]

scum still doesn't claim strongman the way liger did

[skitter30]

Also, if FL is town then Jesus is confscum because of the blocked kill.

This means scum didn't use a strongman.
That means a gated strongman or Liger is scum.

titus do you really think that a rb-guilty makes someone confscum ... ?

@titus

pedit i didn't vote you yet

[skitter30]

scum still doesn't claim strongman the way liger did

and again my role strongly makes sense with a strongman

[skitter30]

i don't know rn; i still need to process everything

still p sure asuka is scum

[skitter30]

Flavor Leaf
skitter30 Gamma Emerald

Bambi Jay

Ausuka Lil Uzi Vert

Xtoxm
Asuka
Jesus Louisus

Almost50
Blake Belladonna Clemency

rosterfoster
UnaBombaH
Titus

popsofctown

Creature

Liger_Zero

i'll do a creature style thing, crossing out people who are town or dead
scum's here ^^^^
still feel v strongly that asuka is scum
roster is prob town

everyone else is my poe and/or i'm scumreading

although now that i think about it titus not being ok with ausuka but voting asuka is kinda ???

[skitter30]

idk
i'm trying to put all the pieces together and forgot that bit

[skitter30]

Also, if FL is town then Jesus is confscum because of the blocked kill.

This means scum didn't use a strongman.
That means a gated strongman or Liger is scum.

titus do you really think that a rb-guilty makes someone confscum ... ?

@titus

pedit i didn't vote you yet

[skitter30]

.... i'm not sure how much of that made sense

pedit yeah i can kinda see that

[skitter30]

ank if you're town and i hammer a town rb i'm going to be incredibly frustrated, just letting you know

pedit i don't like being wrong even if it isn't hammer :/

[skitter30]

ank if titus flips town can you vig asuka?

[skitter30]

well that's kinda frustrating

[skitter30]

again i'm really confused by the thought process: limited shot vig -> town doesn't have enough power to know that there's a strongman

[skitter30]

*gated

[skitter30]

ok, how about this: if i'm murderized in the night you push asuka for me tomorrow?
esp. in the event that titus flips town?

[skitter30]

i was under the impression she was l-1 (and then l-2)

[skitter30]

fine
VOTE: titus

[skitter30]

titus, over the past few pages you've:

a) ate'd
b) been appealing to me
c) been shading ank's claim for no apparent reason
d) somehow conflated an rb guilty with being confscum more than once

(also taken credit for my push on asuka, but you know;
and also thought that fl was a vig kill while pushing that you've blocked the scum kill; the natural assumption there is that your block didn't do anything)

[skitter30]

logic doesn't show the claim is false; why do you think logic shows that?

[skitter30]

VOTE: asuka

[skitter30]

Well it looks like her shot on fl was successful so she couldnt shoot last night

[skitter30]

I mean what else am i supposed to say until he responds to you?

Also i'm p sure he claimed vt after the vanilla cop thing

[skitter30]

Roster this is a mechanical thing, right?

[skitter30]

Ok

And are redirects allowed in these games?

And can we lynch asuka tomorrow ....?

[skitter30]

I'm not saying you're lying, i just kinda feel like scum!bambi would retract the vt claim here ?


And i'm kinda annoyed about the mislynch yesterfay and i feel p strongly that asuka is scum and i really want to make sure that happens