The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

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You are the only one i know who can fuck both

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Oh god, where's the edit button >.<

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k. gimme some time.

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I think pisskop is just trying to string together narratives.

Is this the cruel and unjust fingernof accusation or the whimsical light-hearted jest of a salt old doggo who knows better?

I think this was the last time i was actively reading.

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VOTE: Creature

still a massively awful thing to do, this hammer.

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wh4t has died in the night! they were a vanilla townie!

well piss

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ElevenThirty is lockscum.

Assuming Toogeloo is also scum, then the other scum is either Rhinox or Auro.

yes?

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I totally am neutral survivor, and not gonna lie, I will literally vote anyone today just for my win.

Ive been on him all game, but i think he may be a 3p. I think its a mistake to take the easier out here. did something happen that voids this claim?

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pisskop

what the actual fuck

~ Pichu

why are you getting all pissy here? I thought I missed like a huge exposition dump or something? its just SSDD

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rn I think its auro for sure
toog for not
one of 1130/pichu maybe

meh, mastina. idk tbh

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VOTE: auro

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Rhinox KidAmn

crap i dont remember kidadmin at all either....

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I made a post
That means I did something!
VOTE: ElevenThirty

I feel like you two have a small amount of cogdis happening rn?

maybe just pisstaking?

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and I highly doubt he gambits survivor first time he rolls scum vs me

I dont actually have 100 memory on who you are, so i mean okay?

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Look at the number of vanillas

there were three third-parties that only had a goal of shooting toog or something

everyone else so far is vanilla

The reason i aim towards believing toog is 3p is because of how weak this game has been pr-wise

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I think pika is town still

I had a moment of doubt, but yea.

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krazy if you're town here let's talk about why you (ie and not ank) think me and irrel are scum

every single one of these is skitter, when they are not signed?

im assuming that.



kind of sort of want to tr them but are not willing to make that leap based on some decent setup talk.

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Yeah that's my theory; I guess they probably had to go for groupscum? You're right that not shooting Toog probably means they had to hit the main groupscum faction and not 3p.

Im still not quite sure about the sudden governer on toog. I guess they believed him?

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t irrel thinks you're scum,

irre has a fairly poor track record of reading me. get him in here!

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Drag him in here by his big dumb elephant ear!

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us - night 3 2-shot vig & conditional bulletproof
ank - ascetic 1-shot neap
rhino - vt
auro - vt
mastina - announcing fruit vendor + 2-shot tracker

can you do me a solid and quote/direct me to the claim post of yours?

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I CAN SHOUT TOO

-Irrel

im tempted to say you two lovebirds are TvT

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toogeloo, ElevenThirty, mastina, Rhinox, Auro, pisskop, YAYVIDEOGAMES

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okay. I want the claim posts of mastina and 1130.

but auro is for sure the best lynch today

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Does anyone TR auro? please step up now to defend auro

or risk us admitting nobody TRs the slot.

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night auro

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its been so long tbh?

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VOTE: unvote

just for now.

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Sorry.

for?

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lol toog

isnt it boring to just be a vestigial parasite? dont you get the urge to post reads?

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Gotta be honest I dont know if you saw that toog vote as hammer.

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In fact I know you didnt, since you were unvoted for when I voted you and you asked me not to hammer in LYLO because quickhammers can happen.

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ummm yea.

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hacksually.

hacksually.


hacksually I just had a disturbing thought

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When I say "being quickhammered" I don't mean the L-0 quickhammer vote. I mean the L-2 vote right after which both other scum would vote.

yea. you thought toog was just the first groupscum to vote, and they premeditated it in the chat.

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i get it.

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hacksually.

hacksually.


hacksually I just had a disturbing thought

hey toog. Do you. . . . understand how a survivor in lylo works?

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I was really hoping scum would try and get me to be Kingmaker and out themselves and all vote for one person, assuming that I would just capitalize on the free win, and then I would turn the tables and vote one of them instead. However, as the days have passed, this has seemed less and less likely to occur. So either, there aren't 3 scum, they didn't think of doing that, or they didn't trust me to follow through with it.

I'm kind of tired of waiting for the game to play out now and think the most optimal play for me is to vote with my gut and just pick the player I assume is the most likely to be scum. If 3 players don't quickly follow through on my vote, it makes me feel better that I'm not voting for town.

i did.

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yea but what if I could tease a read from him. Panda's are lazy but not that lazy, right?

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maybe

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But what

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If I

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Spam this

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rude

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???

am i scum or town mastin?

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If you mean why did I shoot Wh4t specifically?

Did mastina do this, cuz that pretty town of them

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Really was hoping that mastina was scum, it makes reads 'more easier'

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pisskop where are your reads at

~ Pichu

back to auro and rhinox and mayybe 1130

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VOTE: rhinoplasty

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VOTE: rhinox

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nah i like me rhino vote

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kind of my impression of you anywho

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that you are being town

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VOTE: unvote

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Toogeloo, ElevenThirty, mastina, Rhinox, Auro, pisskop, YAYVIDEOGAMES

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Right. this game

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kinda thinking its mastina/auro

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been thinking about the wh4t vig and i nees to reread and see if he's as scummy as I remember.


tell me, o great town - why isn't it a scum kill?

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by that i mean, tell me auro and rhinox, what you think

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when is eod?

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Look, I dont need to read. ill likely do it either tomorrow morning or in 48 hours

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But yea, I need to stop being lazy. ive been lazy since i came back to the site.

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oh good, youre here. lets do it

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yea.

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but whereas Ive been 'selective' I have also not been 'scummy'

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I'm rejecting this 1v1 btw

yea. that vig alone is pretty town

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its not scummy for a lack of softing.

its bugging me because scumstina would pick what. would what be the best kill fir scumstina?

as opposed to yaya, 1130, pk, or rhinox?

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i think im orobs voting auro or toig

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auro

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I think you're just slimey

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VOTE: auro

Thats nice 1140

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Im the first person to SR toog, the first to lead a charge on him, and the first to point out you asshats lynched him when i was at work

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i wish i knew how to read pk

Town?

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lol

Auro, 1140

we win

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lol

no way i kill yaya, who TRs the fuck out of me.

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I kill mastin, and then claim to wax over her viggie.

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Nice try.

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idk. Sounds like youre making a lot up

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tbh the yaya kill is obv if you believe one of a few things:

1 - Mastin isnt towning based on play
2 - They towned themselves up and most people concluded that effort=alignment and thus 1140 and yaya were TvT
3 - Its a setup to make 1140 look bad.

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I think auro -> 1140 will win us the game.

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That was actually a fake doctor slip to try to catch a night bullet.

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lol

Look at mister pressure over here. Misses Pressure rather.

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So Quote
Many Aggression
Much Push

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So Quote

Many Aggression

Much Push

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k

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Thats such a shortsighted case tho.

Its like focused on one person and on mostly one day, and it completely lacks originality, and taking into account all the townreads on me. Everyone except your sorry ass TRs me.

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So I mean, GL on the lynch of me. Ive been pretty obvtown here.

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Toog should have died, I did say, a few times even, that their lynch seemed lazy.

Nobody is perfect, least of all me.

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On D1 I was on them tho. You guys were the bad ones who let them persist.

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Vote: Chickadead

Unless someone scum slips, I'm not changing my vote.

Bad post from a player I consider pretty good.

Toogeloo
KidAmn

I want to lynch toog and i want to pressure kidadmin

yea no i was on toog well before you.

I expect half a buddy to bus toog here, so I put no faith in people voting toog.

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I think 1140 is tomorrow's lynch

Auro today. Their play is pretty turds this game

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it reads as half-assed distancing

nah

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VOTE: auro

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VOTE: auro

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VOTE: auro

Thats nice 1140

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Its cuz im town.

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Town me owes you zero explanation for my play. or lack thereof

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My position, in this gamestate, is pretty solid.

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I dont have to kowtow to you, so I shalln't

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You need to have faith in Papa Pisskop.

He'll lead you unto the promised land.

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Right.

I gamesolved, and you ignored me. I leveled with you, spoke like I wanted to start fresh and work with you, and you offered me a rope or an endgaming.

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I visibly shifted gears, and you took that as a sign I gave up.


By trying harder and producing obvtown posting, I gave up . . .

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You show my final 15 or so posts to people like mastin, and theyll confirm that that is some of they towniest stuff to ever come out of this site.

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you repeatedly ignored me and refused to claim in mylo

and when i gave up and voted you you decided to literally scumclaim

I did.

Im still a bit of a troll.

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It is precisely because I am a troll that you know that I am town.

As scum I have to play it more sardonically. Troll with a purpose. As town I tend to get into prolonged fights with people who want to push me for not murderhoboing toog.

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Yea, when you think a lynch is lazy and call it that blatantly. And then search around for other options. Its easy to look bad when you dont know the alignment of everyone. If only i did . . . . . then I could position myself to look good.

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Thats another thing. I went and shopped around for a lynch. I voted auro, voted rhinox, I went looking for scum. And I didnt stay on one person, I didnt hammer home and look for a reason to wagon them, I looked for scum.

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i mean i can point out that shopping for a lynch and voting people in an indeterminate state of lylo is not a great idea, but whatever

Nah.

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oh right, we have only one red flip

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Yea, there we go. Auro today, rhinox/1140 tomorrow.

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one scum in rhinox/mastina

Nah.


Mastina has a fucking vig shot.

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Like mastina literally took a gun out and shattered the setup. she is town.

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What make rhinox the counter to mastin?

idk what rhino claimed

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okay.

Well rhino/1140 tomorrow, auro today

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b) does the 1v1 not matter to you or ?

not a lick


Arbitrary 1v1s are not really important. and mastina is town?

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yea.


auro is obvscum. vote it plz

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why is mastina town

She has a gun? A not-scumkill gun?

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she could be an sk

she could.

But auro is still scum

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a) mastina alive, who irrel townreads

you answered it yourself when you called mastin an SK

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Do we have a missing NK?

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n3: zeebu is a vanilla townie; Wh4t is a vanilla townie; Old Dogs is a town 2-shot roleblocker

Did we ever talk about this?

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I think that zeebu was a kill from the 3 people in the hood.

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But, assuming thats true, (and old doggo an obvious nk) and wh4t is a mastin kill.

Leaving mastin alive to shade for the sk/ afraid of targeting mastin because 'maybe sk'

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rhinox claimed it

idk what rhino claimed.

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your pred was town

thats a bad reason to not kill scum

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ascetic townie who was given a vig shot and who shot zeebu; that's what prompted the mastina vote on him

an sk mastin who is planning on only making one kill and claiming vig is skilled enough to do that . . ..

but i dont think so. tbh id want to think it over.

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There's a lot of "Auro is scummy" in this thread but no real reasons why.

nonpresence. tone. nonsolving, no commitment, meta, tonal, probs offed yaya to prevent a meta read on you, i mean i can make a list.

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me and irrel were slightly paranoid she's an arsonist who lit up n3

yea but rhino claimed a kill?

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nah.

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me and irrel were slightly paranoid she's an arsonist who lit up n3

yea but rhino claimed a kill?

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me and irrel were slightly paranoid she's an arsonist who lit up n3

yea but rhino claimed a kill?

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So you think they doubledoused voted and rhino struck on the same day?

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Nah

auro

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Nobody is in a position to be hammered?

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But boy does that look kinda like a 'hey Partner, are you on rn, lemme know' post

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you know

i do. which is why i said something

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so what's the point of asking that then

hunh? asking what?

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Whats the point of saying you wont hammer and wont be back for a few.

when nobody is in hammer range?
when nobody else is posting?

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in too town to ml

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lets kill auro before we go ham skitter

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i think your problem is that you townread engagement. you think that because people spew abstract opinions your way they're town

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I'm tins less sure about mastina and rhino than auro

auro is super obvious scum

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Youve seen example after example of why that isnt a good metric tho. Its not about respecting their opinion or w.e.


I like to analyze intent, not content. Why people do things, and when, is far, far more telling than what they do.

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I bet a reiso of voted would reveal his dark and insidious nature given what we know about auro.

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Like I feel I shouldnt have to spoonfeed my reasonings to people. Im much more of a 'lead you to the path to find water' than a 'force you to drink' kind of player.

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Spoiler: Fairly Obvtown Posting in Here

lets kill auro before we go ham skitter

i think your problem is that you townread engagement. you think that because people spew abstract opinions your way they're town

I'm tins less sure about mastina and rhino than auro

auro is super obvious scum

Youve seen example after example of why that isnt a good metric tho. Its not about respecting their opinion or w.e.


I like to analyze intent, not content. Why people do things, and when, is far, far more telling than what they do.

Like I feel I shouldnt have to spoonfeed my reasonings to people. Im much more of a 'lead you to the path to find water' than a 'force you to drink' kind of player.

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i think your problem is that you townread engagement. you think that because people spew abstract opinions your way they're town

"Let's kill Auro for being non present"
Hmmmmmmm.

A good example of intent is using a strawman and misrepresentation of an argument when under pressure because youve been a nonfactor and only post when your tush is on the line in lylo.

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Notice how Im scum to him but he continues to engage with what I say

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Ill read D1 tomorrow. I pinky promise

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pisskop, ElevenThirty, mastina, Rhinox, Auro

Today auro, tomorrow rhinox.

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which means rhinox is scum but i don't feel that either

ugh

stop feeling

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Who is mastina voting?

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I'll get to this game tomorrow.
I fruit vended to Auro; I visited Rhinox.
VOTE: Rhinox

yea.

this make a 1v1 with rhinox.

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ofc im voting auro, sooooooo
1v1 there too.


Skitter, spare me the crap where we take 6 days to vote. put one down on somebody.

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just flip a coin if its that hard.

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I dont want to repeat the last game we played. the lines are drawn.

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If you insist on playing poorly so be it.

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If you need more incentive Im going to tell you this: The longer you take to make a choice and stick with it the less you will learn from the experience. Because youll be too busy overthinking it all.

Can you trust your gut? Lets find out.

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I dont want to have to wait for 8 days to join a new game because you wanted to hang out to wait for a wallpost from me that isnt going to come.

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:{

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ugh.


please dont.

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We did this last game and you roped me for it, but


Auro is obvscum
msatin/rhinox has some ambiguity.

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you were in the spot of ambiguity last game, with nom.

nero was the obvtown.

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auro is vorkie.

vorkie was obvscum as hell.

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Do you see how he needs to post? its because this is where the real 1v1 is.

Remember how I said intentions matter? Why wasnt he posting so hard before I made a line in the sand?

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I need you to play ball and give me some damn faith,

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i also think scum!you probably plays on that here

I do. But only if I need you. Scum me kills fency little things like you to avoid this nonsense.

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Im not going to hold your hand, malakittens 2.0

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Go and vote one of mastin or rhinox, and I will not be joining you. Whether or not we lose will depend on if you hit scum by luck.

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ffs woman, youve seen my scumgame, albiet as an alt.

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Do you want links to games I am proud of? where i make a win out of thin air for town or seal the deal as early as d2 when scum?

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Games that I played before I was any good?

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Ones where I was doomed to fail but took for the ride?

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i mean sure, gimme a few

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BooneyToonz III - I win with sheer charisma. Im very aggressive, and manipulative as scum. You can see me planning in the maf thread, and see what I mean when I say intentions matter.

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Legend of Zelda Mafia - I get Firebringer, my partner, to gladiate me to earn me towncredit so I can win Also featured: a loooong ass maf pt where I meticulously plan out how to win. Im not a causal scum player. Im very in-depth.

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Blitz 11: PYP - I dominate the shit out of this game. Was never in doubt I was going to win.

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whereas as far as i can tell from the mini normal town!you doesn't really give a fuck about any of those things and just does whatever you think is right and has about zero patience for anyone who doesn't see things the way you do

I mean not my prefered choice of words, but succinct enough. I prefer not to be typecast tho




I also submit this last one: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=69321&hilit=+Mini+1856 This one probs drove Pieguyn out of their main. It was brutal. Want to see why I dont want to drag the game out? this one, right here.

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do u know anything about the previous mbos games?

not a thing

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mastina's apparently town

this is not something i endorse, knowing rhino and mastin have claimed bodies

it was different when mastina was the only killer.

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i can see you rolling with this

again, intentions matter. Being good enough to get away with it, or creative/bold enough to try it isnt really that good a metric.


My play is so predicable its obvious what my alignment is.

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There's one game I go from inactive until lylo to voting a dead player in lylo to calling out the scumteam to winning.

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eli5

?

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explain it like 5?

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Thats easy.


If mastina is the only killer who claims a shot, shes an sk or vig. Not mafia. We need dead mafia. And this game isnt fitting the profile of having an SK, since scum arent uber-scumhunting. You'll know scum who are hunting an sk when you see it.

if anything, mastina would be an sk who gambited on being a vig, which is still not as important as redflips.

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With two kills on the table it becomes a CC thing. It screws up game balance to have more than one vig. Now we have the possibilities of 2 third parties, 1 scum kill to balance out the

town

notmaf kill, or two townies.

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We dont seem to have two townies, since the game isnt really playing out that way. Or do you not agree?


Even if you do or dont, its absolutely suboptimal to lynch one of them when Im 100 that auro is scum, and his reaction to me has indicated we are not aligned or TvT.

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I doubt its 2 3rd parties, but if it is its still suboptimal to lynch there with an obvious redscum. if we can help it, of course. Better to let the viggies/sks sort themselves out too.

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I do think it can be that one of mastin/rhino is Town, and one Scum. Both may have real kills, and since they are in pairs, it does not screw up the balance to have them exist on opposite sides of the wincon.

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If mastina is the only killer who claims a shot, shes an sk or vig. Not mafia. We need dead mafia. And this game isnt fitting the profile of having an SK, since scum arent uber-scumhunting. You'll know scum who are hunting an sk when you see it.

this is possibly the most useful thing you've said all night

I might reply to this with snark, if I knew you better.

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i guess i'm just not convinced that a) scum couldn't ahve given themselves a vig shot
b) somebody got a vig shot from scum/trifecta and the other is 3p

yea. I think its possible.

i think that, given that we have an inventor, that its the three nonplayers. that means scum can get a shot.

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Assuming that, Id consider the bullets to be NAI

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Mastina is playing a dangerous game with her meta, I think.

Rhinox's posting has been alright lately. survivalistic, yes, but in a way i gut-townread.

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More importantly, I still think auro is obvious scum. You can TR Voted all day and night, but Auro isnt voted. Townreads get stale, and Auro isnt really acting like town, nor is an early townread equatable to a lategame townread.

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so does that mean that there isn't an sk or that scum thinks that there isn't an sk

If we are gifting out vig shots and the KpD ratio is so low like it has been, then yes, id believe there is no SK.

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yah probably

i think it's more likely 3p than scum

i think pk made a cogent point about how scum/nobody really seems to be looking for a 3p tho, so they might not actually exist

You need to listen to his speech patterns.

He is asking you. He's trying to lead you. He is suggesting something in question form. its not actually engagement you want/need in lylo

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gdi vote plz

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I like how there are three single votes in a 5 way lylo/


its . . . new to me.

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uggests scum would have been concerned about 3p.

Well, worried in so far as looking for clues from a setup perspective maybe. Not 'hunting' one.