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Okey dokeyIn post 2902, Pink Ball wrote:We're lynching itlepip today, Dustybun
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You were half right, now you’re getting over confident in your head and tunnelling meIn post 2903, Flavor Leaf wrote:Because i called it, you and Avengers scum. I’ve been rocking lately with my reads, but i doubt myself and fuck myself over and get mislynched.-
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how would this have worked?In post 2966, itlepip wrote:Hey y'all.
The last 2 weeks have been preparing for a conference and being at a conference, otherwise I would be all up in that +- analysis (not sure if it works but its nice to do). If I make it to Friday I will have a shit more content that I don't have time for right now.
I am (not a mason FL, come on) a Tangorb (why the fuck...), I can "explode" if its hot weather in order to kill both myself and someone else. I think I may have mildly hinted at it at one point,but I mainly was really excited to use it to fake a guiltyand then literally blow the game up later in the game, although clearly that isn't going to happen at this point (yay VT).
My current pool would be DEB, PB,GE, SS and the chemists. I've played a shit ton with SS, and there are times where he obvtowns or obvscums or kinda lurks in the middle and this is definitely the third. I thought Melanque reconsidering on me was towny, but his play before that was scummy andhe hasn't done anything towny yet.Also all my reads have been wrong so far so ignore all of this. I might actually reconsider my GE read since everyone who knows his meta thinks he's towny, but I still don't understand how that is towny play.
also, I think my play to defend avengers was pretty towny even if I was wrong-
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In post 2968, Ausuka wrote:
????????In post 2963, Menalque wrote:If I get mislynched here look seriously at FL as scum with RCEIn post 2964, Menalque wrote:
FL is setting me up as scum, has been since yesterday, the way RCE is hopping on makes me less sure there too
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wanna expand on this FL?In post 109, Flavor Leaf wrote:I have an ability that deals with type advantage, that’s what it can hurt, Chem.-
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I actually think 26 is kinda scummy from FL looking back, encouraging an early lynch
then look at his progression on my slot "there's not a bone in my body that thinks you would actively" from 302 but at the same time he's shading me a little bit for a turnaround "but that's why. haha. that's my weakness"
then in like 631 and 634 he's playing along with me and PB which helps keep me on him as town, and culminates later in 773
sheeps ausuka on Maria in 1159 who I'm also scumreading at that point but still at the point where I'm sheeping everything PB does (1161) so FL should still be TRing me to do with this as we're thinking the same way, but then instead there's 1213 which again is setting up a shift off me and a push on me, but he just doesn't wanna do it yet because I haven't done anything that really gives him an excuse at this point
so then we get 1384 which is basically saying yeah, he's playing a townie game but it's so townie that I wanna scum read him for it -- but I'm p sure FL knows that my scum game is not at that level, so he's forcing that analysis to justify shifting onto me. also 1387 is weird bc he didn't seem to have that paranoia in 773, but he mentioned it early on enough (at the v beginning about me pocketing him) that he'd be able to justify this flip later. why would town him bother to crumb the paranoia from the very beginning?
then 1390 moves off it, again because there's nothing that he thinks he can push me for yet, but he also sets up the "I'm good at gut reading him" thing based on that newbie, but as I pointed out, he didn't really have a meaningful read on me there, and his read had nothing to do with me killing him. I thought at the time that this was him being weird/arrogant, but now I think it's an intentional misrep of that game to try and make his reads on me look better than they are to give him the chance to make this push.
1392 is him not justifying a very good point about me not being good enough to pocket him. just a brush off that allows him to keep suspecting me but without needing to push yet.
then at 1409 he says he's not good with players like me despite having just claimed a moment ago that his gut reads on me are good
also 1830 from flippers points out a consistency with FL that fits with his progression here and his current push on me. "he hards defends mislynches he didn't set up as scum". he defended flippers because it wasn't coming from him, but with me he's happy to lead it because he's set it up
then I think that FL knows me well enough to know that stuff like the rock paper scissors bit is likely to get me TR him for the easiness of the interaction. also it was just confusing, but that's not really AI for me when I'm dealing with FL
then we get to 2079 where FL talks about how he's not gonna try to read me, despite having been doing that up til that point as evidenced by all the posts I'm linking to here. then someone calls him on this (can't remember who) and he comes round to hard scumreading me, which he's not even willing to show doubt on now despite the doubt earlier on
then look at how he shifts onto me 2266 which is just bullshit, but I was still TRing FL enough at the time to not call that and just think it was his analysis being mistaken (much like in the way he got his tinfoil on in our first ever game together and talked me out of lynching a scum when he was town). this is a bad read on me because me saying him v deb was NAI when it clearly was (given that it was related to out of thread stuff, and me acknowledging that maybe for some people it was AI just not for me because I'm not that good at reads). if anything the fact that I'm willing to entertain the possibility of them both being scum WHILE NOT PUSHING THERE should be town indicative. I would've wanted a flip, but now given the way the game has developed I think FL might have just been overreacting to a correct read.
avengers is then creating some bad associational for me in 2269 which FL is of course picking up on bc THEY'RE BUDDIES
then 2709 is trying to get PB to doubt his TR on me bc he knows that the only thing that's likely to stop me getting mislynched is PB TRing me and pushing back against it
and also 2750 doesn't make any sense for someone who is SRing me and skitt for real. he says that my post is saying "I want them to know I TR them but it's okay to push there" but why would I want avengers to TR me if we were scum buddies together. according to his own logic, this should be clearing for me, or at least introducing doubt. the fact FL is still tunnelled on me means he's already decided I'm todays mislynch and he's committing to it.
2754 is also weird. I'm paying way more attention to someone I'm SRing because I don't wanna be pushing a mislynch. I think not caring what I'm posting here esp after having made a big show over paranoia and being unsure of me is more likely to come from scum!FL trying to get me lynched than from town!FL trying to sort me
then 2865 also kinda seals this for me. FL is currently claiming (1) a power to do with alignments (2) conf power of neighbouring (3) a power of healing people. that seems excessive and I think he's lying
never answers my question about the masons in response to his 2897 and instead just keeps pushing me. then actually changes away from me in his following posts (at least in focus) to talk about other things. prob because he's already locked in on me, as I've mentioned, and is hoping that by having the debate elsewhere I just go down easy with people sheeping him-
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You know, it’s shit like this that makes me think you could be scum RCEIn post 2974, RCEnigma wrote:
I'm not just "hopping on" to anything. I came out day 2 against Avengers with you as a partner for the way you deflected their day 1 lynch.In post 2964, Menalque wrote:@PB that’s mainly at you
FL is setting me up as scum, has been since yesterday, the way RCE is hopping on makes me less sure there too
Assuming they get my lynch through, then I’d say prob the only person who’ll be able to get town back on track is you
Scrolling through this page I see you later call it a townie move despite Avengers flipping scum, that's not how defending scum works man.
You ignore the big fuckin post I make about FL, focus in on a small thing that I said which can be painted as scummy even though it’s not
Defending scum is not inherently scummy. Likewise, defending town is not inherently townie. Both of those things assume that town doesn’t make mistakes and that scum doesn’t bus. So yes, I should be townread for the way I defended avengers. That defence came out of a lack of certainty and yes, skitt got me fooled, but it was inherently a townie defence-
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Explain this?In post 2982, RCEnigma wrote:Mastina was Avengers night 1 Target now that I think about it.Not sure how that influences my view on the information FL gave earlier.-
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There’s one scum between chem and maria then PB, I’m townIn post 2991, Pink Ball wrote:
Two out of six, actually, since Avengers was one not voting Avengers. Menalque, Chemist, Alch, itlepip, Maria and you, SS.In post 2880, Skygazer wrote:
Alch is town, so two out of five. If Maria is town, then one between Mena and Chemist is scum and one between itlepip and you is another. If Maria is scum, then Mena and Chem are both town and the other scum is between itlepip and you once again. I think you're town, therefore, itlepip is scum.-
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Why does scum!FL kill you last night if your theory that avengers checked mastina N1 and had a conf!masn on herIn post 3011, RCEnigma wrote:
I lol'd.In post 2998, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 2963, Menalque wrote:If I get mislynched here look seriously at FL as scum with RCE
@RCE - Lololo
Also, Menalque, if FL is scum here I definitely die last night based on day 2. Which tells me he's fine with me sorting his slot which I am going to do correctly more often than not.-
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If you’re not confident in me being scum, and there are people who think I’m town who also have good reads and who are pushing itle, and you think there’s scum in (me,itle) then why not lynch itle and then come for me tomorrow if that flips townIn post 3013, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like, I’m not even totally confident in Menalque scum, but can we kill him
RN my best answer is that you know it won’t flip town, so you wanna get me through while you can, because you know the odds of my being pushed through go down drastically with an itle!scum flip-
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What?In post 3017, Flavor Leaf wrote:If they knew she was mason, they knew I knew she was mason, so there wasn’t any chance of her actually having issues.-
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In post 3064, RCEnigma wrote:
So the shared read on Deb being town when he is at best an ambiguous slot. Calling him mislynch bait instead of a question mark is kind of ? Possible whiteknighting. I think your reads are really stagnant as you've been bouncing between FL, Maria, itle sorta, but your approach on that slot is kind of weird. Like you guys bumped heads and you immediately turned around for his input on SS while you were voting him. The redirect from Avengers Lynch, the attempted redirect from Avengers lynch day 2. If they flipped goon I think there is less of an argument to make there but rolecop makes it more likely it's a partner making a save.In post 3035, Menalque wrote:Wheres everything that I’ve done that’s been less town!indicative since then?
Actually talk me through it
Bc at the moment I think I’m getting scumread for what, having been taken in by a very good scum player? Oh no, I must be scum too, clearly
I think there’s been a mislynch bait player very game I’ve played on site so far. Like, my first ever it was voted who I pushed hard and wrongly for a while. Next game it was osetr who I pushed as scum for a win. My mini normal it was basically cinn who I hard defended because I thought he was town (correctly). So in each case there was someone easy for scum to push, one time myself making the error, who was actually town. I’m trying to avoid doing that, and in my experience so far those players have generally been town. In this case, it was deb, now the fact he’s still alive is ringing some alarm bells, but I think my reading him as town who’s just mislynch bait makes perfect sense in light of the above.
FL is only a recent thing, and only because of the way he’s been on me. I thought he was town for ages, and I can still see it, but I respect him enough as a player to think he prob doesn’t tunnel me this hard for a mislynch as town. I know he’s probably gonna call that a pocket attempt but if I flip today, I mean that FL. I’m legit disappointed in you as a player if you mislynch me today and you end up being town postgame.
I still think maria could be and quite possibly is scum lol. Itle I’m not sure about. I thought he was scummy initially, but also he pushed the game forward at a time when it seemed stagnant which I thought was towny. But I’m kinda doubting my reads atm because of avengers flipping scum (I was legit getting ready for an “I told you so post” as I saw the quick wagon going in my read through when I woke up the day she was lynched, only to see the flip). So I’m on him now because I’m still absolutely sold on PB!town and PB has had good reads so far this game. But given that i wasn’t totally sure while I was in that spat, why would I not want his feedback for the case where I got his lynch through and it ended up being a mislynch?
Avengers — skitter fooled me. I’m sure that’s happened to better players than me on more than one occasion based on that fancy ribbon she has next to her avi. I’m not gonna beat myself up about being wrong there, and yeah it’s bad luck that she was the rolecop and that makes me look worse, but what you gonna do.
At least we got a rolecop from it, but if it now means that you mislynch me then that makes the trade off a whole lot worse because we’re losig a townie due to bad luck associationals-
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Fine but if you are town don’t make it meIn post 3090, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Menalque - I have a tendency to tunnel at least once into a mislynch every town game of mine.
Look back at all the early reasons you were townreading me and realise that you’ve just shaken yourself off them because of paranoia-
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How am I a liability?In post 3103, Pink Ball wrote:
I'll compromise and vote Mena in case itlepip doesn't get lynched 'cause Mena will continue to be a liability and I won't be alive to push my scumreadsIn post 3098, Alchemist21 wrote:@Pink, would you be willing to lynch DEB today?-
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Yes, on meIn post 3110, Flavor Leaf wrote:Probably means we’re wrong somewhere
Also maybe on itlepip
Idk, if debs is happening I’d rather do that but I’ll do itle over me-
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Evidently not that much, werebeast still ended up lynchedIn post 3164, Jibril wrote:
You helped the WerebeastIn post 3160, Menalque wrote:
How am I a liability?In post 3103, Pink Ball wrote:
I'll compromise and vote Mena in case itlepip doesn't get lynched 'cause Mena will continue to be a liability and I won't be alive to push my scumreadsIn post 3098, Alchemist21 wrote:@Pink, would you be willing to lynch DEB today?-
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@itle I would but I’m worried that if PB is actually willing to compromise onto me but doesn’t wanna compromise onto you then doing so prob gets me lynched as it helps kill momentum for your wagon
Me being lynched is the worst case scenario from my pov because I know that you have greater odds of being scum than I do. Therefore even if I think that deb has slightly better odds of being scum than you, I’m nowhere near sure enough on you to back that at the risk of helping the wagon on me
Esp not after yesterday when someone who I felt a lot more confident on ended up being scum-
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It’s shit like this that makes me wanna keep you around either way deb
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Regarding 3188: I was focused on trying to read skitt because I hadn’t played with any of the others before. Also, yes I knew she was good as scum, I was just being overconfident because she seemed to be playing similarly to the last game where she was town and some people were susp of her there but I correctly called her as town
Also, no. It’s not my best moment (because I hadn’t considered that fact that as scum skitt wouldknowwas town) but if you view it from my perspective: I know I’m town. If skitt!town then the fact she’s townreading me indicates skitt!town because it means her read is good, which is what I’d expect based on town!her having been good at reading me before. It’s similar to the reason why I’m still somewhat susp of FL because he’s probably the person most familiar with me in this game, so the fact that he’s not TRing me here is weird (esp as he was at the beginning, and his reason for stopping was weird and had weird timing)-
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So I think it’s a lot easier trying to interact with people you’ve played with before, yes. Like I said, that’s an error of overconfidence from me as I’ve only got 1 game with her, but I would expect reads to get better the more you play with someone. So yes, I would still be marginally more confident trying to read a good scum player who I’d played with multiple times than a competent player I had never played with before not considered great as scum-
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