Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Day One Wagon]

i dunno about ur townlist, that day one lynch fella is awfully suspicious

Damn, I was found out too early, time for claim them - I'm a wild Jester

VOTE: Day One Lynch

I think that's a right thing to do under these conditions

[Day One Wagon]

is there any easier kind of fake productivity to generate than calling a few posts town/scum

pedit lame vote

All my votes are of the highest quality, so please don't insult me

[Day One Wagon]

Why do people do alts it's confusing

Well, I intended to make hydra with this name, but other person was "hell, no, that name is dumb", so I just made alt instead to use sometime, when I feel in not too serious mood and this game looked like good fit for that

Also, I would like to ask you not to post more gibberish, thanks in advance for your cooperation

[Day One Wagon]

Also, something I was thinking - never claim, if you used your ability. Scum have less reasons to kill caffeine addict due to secondary wincon and they might focus more on people, who aren't addicts yet

[Day One Wagon]

Why do people do alts it's confusing

Well, I intended to make hydra with this name, but other person was "hell, no, that name is dumb", so I just made alt instead to use sometime, when I feel in not too serious mood and this game looked like good fit for that

Also, I would like to ask you not to post more gibberish, thanks in advance for your cooperation

there's something ironic about condescion from a won't-avatar

How about now?

[Day One Wagon]

Why do people do alts it's confusing

Well, I intended to make hydra with this name, but other person was "hell, no, that name is dumb", so I just made alt instead to use sometime, when I feel in not too serious mood and this game looked like good fit for that

Also, I would like to ask you not to post more gibberish, thanks in advance for your cooperation

there's something ironic about condescion from a won't-avatar

How about now?

i'm really happy you got an avatar i've fulfilled my alt wincondition i can get d1 mislynched happy now

I'll fight you, D1 lynch spot is mine

[Day One Wagon]

I commend your decision not pick battle you can't win

[Day One Wagon]

I commend your decision not to pick battle you can't win

[Day One Wagon]

D1L is also actively choosing not to play the game in terms of scumhunting which probably has some scum equity

It's just that people find me more scummy, when I actually do scumhunting, so I'm trying something new for once in a while and ofc I try to enjoy RVS while I can

[Day One Wagon]

its not working its worse abandon ship while you can!!!!
its also not rvs anymore

When last time I abandoned ship - you ML'ed me, so nah, I'm good

I don't see any serious wagon, I don't see people with real bloodthirst in their eyes either, so we still in RVS with some nearly pointless setup discussion. And by nearly pointless I mean that it isn't helping town

[Day One Wagon]

next time be harder to lynch then instead of trying to guilt trip me >:{

you have 0 inclination as to who is or isnt scum at this point then?

I don't like push on Pop or I would be on his wagon

Aside from that, nothing really stands out, hence me letting things to develop on it's own and I'll see what comes out from it

[Day One Wagon]

do you also think pop is town?

Yes, I have feeling that she's town. What was so scummy in her miller callout post?

[Day One Wagon]

would you be willing to help get a pine wagon going on a functional basis?

Fine by me

VOTE: Pine

[Day One Wagon]

Our hood didn't get night 0 talk so I don't think mafia would have either.

I find this bit weird - mafia is confirmed to have daytalk in their PT

[Day One Wagon]

Our hood didn't get night 0 talk so I don't think mafia would have either.

I find this bit weird - mafia is confirmed to have daytalk in their PT

Thanks I forgot about daytalk lol


I feel like if I want to analyze that correction from DOL it's gonna lead me down a WIFOM path.

Well, we have different opinion on Pop and your opinion was kinda relying on fact that maf had no daytalk, so after my correction, you still believe Pop is scum and would act same way with having knowledge about other hoods?

[Day One Wagon]

I'm a "secret" alt - I'm so secret that I'm even chose avatar similar to my main

And here we go. Gork, I told you that people are scumreading me, when I scumhunt

[Day One Wagon]

Nah, Pine is all yours, I'm just helping you and waiting to see where it goes with hopes to get something AI

[Day One Wagon]

I'm boutta go to sleep and this is more of a checkin since I haven't read anything but
I'm of the firm belief ending day 1 early and the benefits of lynch and kill info is usually better than letting it get past, like, page 40
Day 1 always feels like discussion only prolonged for the sake of it
I'll reassess my vote tmrw

+
I think my neighborhood is all town btw or at least only bingle is scum but I think likely town?

I'm down to end D1 early

VOTE: Marquis

[Day One Wagon]

That’s a spicy hammer opportunity.

Do it, fulfill dying man's last wish

[Day One Wagon]

UNVOTE: Marquis

Party pooper, didn't expected that from you

[Day One Wagon]

VOTE: Pine

I didn't come to some revelation I just don't like the other wagons.

Why you don't like Marquis wagon?

[Day One Wagon]

Why? I’m one of the people who fight wagons really hard often, especially when they near

Dont be surprised if I hammer shit out of the blue.

*ThinkingEmoji*

[Day One Wagon]

but you don't fight wagon, you simply unvoted, when Jingle made a joke about hammering. So, do you think Jingle is capable on hammering in this spot?

[Day One Wagon]

If we going to threat L-4 as a hammer range, we will be in trouble, don't you think so?

So, who you think we should lynch then?

[Day One Wagon]

You had just to ask - as I said, Pops push felt weird and after some thinking I realized what was wrong. There was no real conviction there, Marquis just poking lynchbait, Gork calling Pop scum, yet trying to get Pine wagon going on, ofrhz did literally nothing to explain his actions. Even now, Marquis comes in and says we should end day early, but who we should lynch? Let's be real, we had no real wagon yet, he isn't proposing Pops lynch either, just like he wasn't really pushing Pops before, but he labeled me scum for voicing gut townread on Pops

If that makes me prime suspect in your book, I commend your sense of humor, cause you made me smile

[Day One Wagon]

I think Ram is town here.

I'm always town, it's like some conspiracy between hosts to never give me scum role

[Day One Wagon]

Every single


Game



I miss the first 20-30 pages because I was busy


Fml

To save you some time, ISOs of interest are {Bingle, D1L, Fish Monger, JJD, kuribo}. Next tier is {pops, pine, gork}, maybe?

TL;DR on setup is that there are several neighborhoods consisting of 3 people each in which members are informed that every other member has a specific modifier. Nobody has mentioned flavor for any of them.

Pine, Kuribo, Fish Monger -- Ninja Neighborhood
Marquis, Bingle, Vecna -- Miller? Neighborhood and maybe also vanilla-izers? Seem to have voting quirks.
Perry, pops, Flavor leaf -- Miller Neighborhood.

Thanks so much for the info that helps me

Lmao Bingle, not again

What’s the caffeine thing

Whenever someone use night ability, they get addicted. When all alive town are addicted, scum will win

[Day One Wagon]

Neighbors of jingle? Has he come up with or discussed a partition for town role usage yet? If he hasn't he's probably scum?

I can't wrap my head around this - all hoods are locked during day, so yours isn't?

[Day One Wagon]

FL, I'll believe that you're town, when you show us your sincerity tell that you claimed recently in MD

[Day One Wagon]

FL, I'll believe that you're town, when you show us your sincerity tell that you claimed recently in MD

You don’t think I’m capable of abusing that as scum?

But then it won't be a tell anymore, so are you ready to throw it away for game like this?

[Day One Wagon]

How do you know that wasn’t a ploy for me to use in the first place?

(It wasn’t, but you really can’t tell.)

I kind of play very spontaneously, but playing to predict the future as well.

Don't make me go for plan B - piss you off and let Jingle to read you

[Day One Wagon]

Not one post of value, or even one that could be decoded by a non-probably-bad-meta-warrior, has been made since my last post with the exception of a naked vote.

I'm glad to see that you are contributing to our cause not to post anything relevant, keep up good work, soldier!

[Day One Wagon]

Kuribo, did your neighbours knew about your role? I'm wondering, if mafia knew your role and that's why we got so many miller claims

[Day One Wagon]

That's a good idea.

Town: kuribo, pops
Scum: fishmonger, dredd

But there are a lot of players who I'd like to see post more (ofhrz, croag, pine, gork, marquis) and several who I'd like to see engage with more relevant content instead of the pointless wheel-spinning they're doing currently (D1L, vecna, pelican, FL).

If you have something in mind to discuss, bring it on. I'm always happy to give my opinion, if I have something relevant to say, but you vaguely asking to engage with relevant content doesn't give me any pointers what you consider relevant

For time being I'm waiting Marquis to come back and give some answers on how all over the place his plays was thus far and also I'd like consult Gork on Marquis too - he was only person to correctly scumread Marquis in Fifth Fortnight. While I'm here, what's your thoughts about FL bailing out from Marquis wagon, when Jingle joked about hammer there?

[Day One Wagon]

Pops town - I just looked at Marquis miller claim now (I forgot he did that and I had to go check after Jingle said it) and I saw Pop voting Marquis right away, that feels really towny

Scumread - Marquis for now, Gork gave some scum vibes, when he gave me kinda serious reason to scumread Pop, but wanted Pine wagon going instead

[Day One Wagon]

Same.

I have to be the most narcissistic one in the game naturally or I’m modkilled Day 3 instead of becoming IC.

I feel strong urge to take you on this challenge

[Day One Wagon]

I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

Why you scumread him so hard?

[Day One Wagon]

Pops town - I just looked at Marquis miller claim now (I forgot he did that and I had to go check after Jingle said it) and I saw Pop voting Marquis right away, that feels really towny

If pops is scum, what does she do differently?

I'd expect scum to discuss how to handle miller claim that is outisde of miller hood and not to jump in right away with a vote

Also HotTake: There is zero/one scum in ofrhz/D1L/Gork, That's a MAX id 1 scum in this pool, but probably none.

Why you do this?

[Day One Wagon]

Your voting powers decline over time so you best hope we lynch scum today, but it's such a waste NOT to be using your powers today (it's like being a N1 Cop/Doctor/Whatever and NOT submitting an action on N1. You feel??)

I will also say if it weren't me on the chopping block, I'd probably say this too!

But I feel that the way this wagon built up and has stayed built up feels like a lynch of convenience only later driven by faulty setup spec - like everyone else I've been looking at who's been townreading me and it's quite a few, but most of the votes on the wagon seem to have jumped on in RVS/before the miller thing was fully hashed out, and how they haven't moved should be concerning people :/

I'm annoyed I have to make this case for myself because it honestly feels silly and I'm not used to being the day 1 lynchbait

Um, Isn't only RVS remnant vote on your wagon just Pine's vote?

Also, what happened to your scumreadd on Pops and scumlean on me? You just want lynch lurker, who claimed to be busy IRL just because they're another fairly big wagon?

You asked to end day early to get flips, so mister mafia veteran, can you explain us why Pine's flip would be useful for us?

[Day One Wagon]

Hottake - what if we wagon Kagami?

[Day One Wagon]

Don't like how you asked but done and done

VOTE: Kagami

Well, seems like we aren't pressuring Marquis, so I need direct my attention elsewhere and Kagami was asking for it quite a while now

VOTE: Kagami

I can't really find anything useful in her ISO besides bunch of gutreads and she ignored my proposal to engage me, yet I'm her lynch candidate for today

[Day One Wagon]

Well let me ask how you feel about FL skirting around day 1 the way he is.

Also do you have experience with Croag?

I don't think building wagon on FL would change anything and I'm not sold on him being scum either to go for his lynch, Marquis red flip would give strong feel of FL flipping scum for panic unvote

I don't think I've ever played with Croag

[Day One Wagon]

Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood

I’m in the same neighborhood and actually a miller, so...

Like, why even is Marquis being wagoned?

Because he's avoiding to do anything useful and demanding to end day

Who we should wagon instead then?

[Day One Wagon]

Jingle, what you think about

I'm unable to fullclaim, but my role is confirmed town upon certain conditions.

[Day One Wagon]

I don't understand why you think my don't target anyone in my neighborhood post for any reason has anything to do with my status as a miller. (Hint: It doesn't. There's more roles that target than just cop and none of them should target us.)

I have not hidden this at all.

Marquis has not confirmed actual miller status, and it’s fairly reasonable to think that miller is shorthand for negative utility if targeted. Therefore, the logic would be that anyone voting marquis on the basis of miller that can’t be targeted would be more suspicious of the guy who outright claimed miller who can’t be targeted. Which is, in itself suspicious.

Additionally, I feel like marquis is just one face in a crowd of “Should be doing more reads” (including me!) and is catching a lot of flak over that. Which is suspicious.

Additionally, no one who is suspicious of marquis has even mentioned my reason to scumread him, suggesting to me that they don’t care about reading him, which is suspicious.

Teal deer: Marquis is scummy. The wagon on marquis is scummy. These stances are not conflicting at all.

He stopped being another lurker in the crowd, when he started asking for day end - he didn't pushed anyone there, he just asked for flips. I don't see why flips would be useful, if we don't force associations, VCA would be busted too with forced lynch to end day early.

Is your reason to scumread him is baiting PRs into vanilaizer? Keep in mind that most of us had no idea about your hood ability for long time, so we couldn't take that into consideration and when it was revealed, most people (me included) forgot that Marquis was telling that nothing too bad would happen and we just went forward with what we had without knowing specifics of your hood. I don't like this "mechanical guilt" that surfaced recently and tbh that was a reason for me to change direction. If we kept going with it, we'd end in stalemate, when some people say it's real guilt and others would oppose it with stuff like "don't try outguess mod"

[Day One Wagon]

Is it bad that I feel uneasy about Jingle?

[Day One Wagon]

Is it bad that I feel uneasy about Jingle?

why don't you answer that question yourself instead of this thing you keep doing

Oh, I'm pretty chill about fact that I have scumlean on Jingle

[Day One Wagon]

Is it bad that I feel uneasy about Jingle?

No. If you don't feel uneasy about Jingle, Jingle has either broken the setup or Jingle is scum going for the power wolf.

I haven't broken the setup and I would never go for the power wolf of the back of Role Call considering the player list is like 70% the same.

What if it's your plan to fool everyone and do something no one expects?

But seriously, I feel like you pushing setup speculation way too far with info we have and we'd be better, if we do more actual scumhunting instead

[Day One Wagon]

JJD, stop

[Day One Wagon]

Gork, I fell like jumping ship, can you promise not to lynch me like in RFB?

[Day One Wagon]

Wary of FL but feel I can read him if I effort, haven't decided on efforting yet. Fish and pops fall on the town side today. Ram is just town here, LNT is a good indicator of his town game and he's counterpushing in much the same way that makes you want to WK for him since he's going to ruffle feathers.

itd be great if people dobt use so many abrevs, esp if it refers to a main list.

itll make posts a lot more readable for those that are not on a lovers level of intimacy with everyone in the setup.

on a sidenote, it has become rather hard to keep on feeling like i have to scumread pops.

Ram is me

[Day One Wagon]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

the two vigs thing really aint an impossibility if we have two scum in our hood....

its really about whether he fucked up with the miller thing. doing that as town seems unlikely since apparently you would have two lines dedicated to it in your role pm. I find it strange regardless he didnt go the "i fucked up, didnt pay attention" instead of going straigjt for the vig claim.

It's not in separate lines. It's in the same line of abilities.

Regardless it still didn't answer my question of whether the hood was the cause of the modifier or a product of it.

describe the buildup of your role pm, in intricate detail starting at the top

There's not going to be some voila moment that says only town could have that role pm so.

Why?

Can you just paraphrase Abilities part of your rolecard?

[Day One Wagon]

Gork, I know, but Cerberus Chandra is upset, when I try to have fun, so I have to be more serious with my questions

[Day One Wagon]

I disliked his refusal to describe buildup of his rolecard, it didn't felt right, like he don't know what should be there, so I'm asking now for specific scumslip part of his rolecard and if Pop/FL will say that it's identical to theirs, I might consider it as RCE derping before, but if they tell that it's different, I'm voting Perry without any questions asked

Tbh, there was another thing with Perry, I had kinda feeling that he was trying to pocket me, calling me by my main name, hard defending, when to my knowledge, we had only 1 game together and I got lynched D2 there and I played a bit more aggressive that I do now. It's not that it didn't happened in past, when people townread me for going against the flow after seeing me do same as a town in other games, but still it made me feel a bit uneasy here

[Day One Wagon]

At this point I don't care - I had to read like 15 pages of back and forth about this this morning, so I just want to put this to rest and start to play the game

I don't ask him to describe it, I ask to paraphrase - essentially give description word by word with some very minor changes to not breach "quoting rc" rule. If he somehow manages that, it's not clear, but rather NAI, because he might figured out by provided info, but if he fails, that's a hard guilty

[Day One Wagon]

Gork, are you up to talk about JJD?

[Day One Wagon]

im not super well-read on their play so far, but i can try/commit to looking at their ISO this morning.
was there something specific you wanted to talk about?

What you think about JJD saying that there's 0-1 scum in me/ofr/you?

[Day One Wagon]

What you think about JJD saying that there's 0-1 scum in me/ofr/you?

idrk why he said it and i dont really know who it is so its hard to have thoughts on it.
did he ever elaborate on why?

He threw it as a hottake at the of a message and was interrogating ofr about his reads on me and you, but didn't answered me, when I asked why he did that, neither he was talking to me about my read on you or ofr. Tbh it feels like he's avoiding to talk to me at all

[Day One Wagon]

has anyone claimed the neighbourhood im in yet? kek

Not publicly, but at this point it's pretty much public knowledge who is where. Your hood ability hasn't been claimed though and you shouldn't do that

[Day One Wagon]

has anyone claimed the neighbourhood im in yet? kek

Not publicly, but at this point it's pretty much public knowledge who is where. Your hood ability hasn't been claimed though and you shouldn't do that

o ok i need to read more

whats a hood ability

Something that applies to all members in your hood and should be in your rolecard and in your hood

Thus far we have hood, where everyone are ninjas, hood, where all members investigates as mafia and hood, where people are reflexive roleblockers, vanilaizers and would recruit people, while forcing to leave their previous hood, if they target member of this hood

Your hood is unknown and you should keep it that way

[Day One Wagon]

has anyone claimed the neighbourhood im in yet? kek

Not publicly, but at this point it's pretty much public knowledge who is where. Your hood ability hasn't been claimed though and you shouldn't do that

o ok i need to read more

whats a hood ability

Something that applies to all members in your hood and should be in your rolecard and in your hood

Thus far we have hood, where everyone are ninjas, hood, where all members investigates as mafia and hood, where people are reflexive roleblockers, vanilaizers and would recruit people, while forcing to leave their previous hood, if they target member of this hood

Your hood is unknown and you should keep it that way

Is it really wise to keep town in the dark? neighbourhoods are best assumed to be infiltrated by scum, because in all likelyhood, at the very least 50% of them are.

I can understand revealing millers and yours, because they have direct impact on game. Ours doesn't and it would just raise more questions that it would give answers

[Day One Wagon]

Also, I don’t fake claims, I state claims, and I’m true claiming up in here.

And you can take that to the Boon Bank.

What's exchange ratio in Bank for it?

[Day One Wagon]

7:1

7 of what?

[Day One Wagon]

I didn't came here to learn, I was tricked, I demand explanations, ASAP, and punish responsible!

[Day One Wagon]

That's some spicy scumteam guess there, Bingle 2 scum in miller hood, I know, I know, I shouldn't try outguess host, but daaaamn

[Day One Wagon]

D1L response to me "hinting" at the neighborhood is townie. Gork's is NAI but he is being lazy. ofrhz' deflected and then tried to pass me as a suspect of hers.

Where did I deflect

I’ve said why I scumread you but I don’t know why you scumread me

Also if we’re going to start discussing about our hood amongst us now, why did you think there was only 0-1 scum in the hood when you weren’t townreading any one of us

And you explicitly stated gork was “not a townread” at the time

I'd say it's a mechanical guess and I agree that we have max 1 scum, it's not scum-friendly hood

[Day One Wagon]

Bingle, I have a question to you. You said that Marquis said something he shouldn't, when he claimed something to clear him, so I assume it's something from your hood. Does it applies to you too? I'd rather not lynch you D1, if I could

[Day One Wagon]

@D1L: You seemed to object not once but TWICE at me hinting on the neighborhood. Now if you wanted to be smart you would have waited for the night to fall and ask (or even grill me) for it in the PT. THAT is why I've been ignoring you, to try and balance between having crumbed the membership and not explicitly mentioned it. But if that's the reason you're going to suspect me form, then I will out it (and I just did) and if you persist I will out more info. If you want to be smart be smart to the end. (I will reiterate, scum already KNOW about our neighborhood because OFRHZ IS SCUM).

First time I asked, why you outed us, cause that was at the end of your message and wasn't related to anything that was going on, I wasn't really trying to stop you, anyone could put 2 + 2 at that point already

Second time you tried out what our neigbourhood is and that I'm against it. I don't care, if scum knows or not, they can't do much with that info anyway. But if we give more pieces to these setup speculating maniacs, they will clog thread even more with pointless speculations and would be harder to scumhunt

[Day One Wagon]

VOTE: Chandra

After some consideration, I feel like lynching this

[Day One Wagon]

I kind of want to clear Croag even though I won't flip scum.

What makes you think Croag is town?

[Day One Wagon]

Well, I'd trust you, when you shoot FL tonight and he flips red, till then it's too much assumptions.

Lurking and pretending to not understand what's going on while claiming not to read thread isn't beyond scum behavior and I have 0 experience with Croag to say that something like that is beyond her scum range

[Day One Wagon]

I don't think it's beyond her scum range I just think it's unlikely scum play.

What makes you think so?

[Day One Wagon]

VOTE: Chandra

After some consideration, I feel like lynching this

...That's all you got?

I placed my vote and expressed my wish to lynch you, do I have to do something more? Ah, yes, I was thinking, if I want to hear more of your complaining going forward, but decided against it and hence we are here

[Day One Wagon]

Lurking and pretending to not understand what's going on while claiming not to read thread isn't beyond scum behavior and I have 0 experience with Croag to say that something like that is beyond her scum range

how about i tell you that

i actually dont understand the thing with perry

and how about i tell you that

i actually havent read the entire thread

isn't it more plausible that someone who has been absent for a lot of the game actually hasnt had the time to read 70+ pages lol

How about I ask you "Why should I trust you?" I'm not saying you're scum, I'm saying I'm not clearing you for your claim to not understand case and claim that you haven't read thread, you're null in my book

[Day One Wagon]

VOTE: Chandra

After some consideration, I feel like lynching this

...That's all you got?

I placed my vote and expressed my wish to lynch you, do I have to do something more? Ah, yes, I was thinking, if I want to hear more of your complaining going forward, but decided against it and hence we are here

i've composed several replies to this but they all still leave me feeling frustrated.

are you voting for scum this game, or people who annoy you? if the former, i want an explanation.

I'm not petty enough to vote people that annoy me, as for voting scum, well, I wasn't informed who is scum and who isn't, so that's not it either

I was thinking who I want lynch after I saw that people changed their mind and didn't hammered Pelli (I'm not touching that 50/50 stinking pile Pelli vs FL) and your name came to my mind. I see you complaining how no one listens to you, you shot down my attempts to spark some discussions, you complain that you tired, yet I can't really remember what have you done, ofc outside of defending Pops, who is free real estate now. Also I took into consideration fact that were quite a few other people that expressed scumread on you, so chances to achieve your lynch are greater than trying to build wagon on someone with less attention

[Day One Wagon]

basically we both are dummies for having alts like this

Will we see ever again "The Wall"

[Day One Wagon]

But it had so nice gimmick

[Day One Wagon]

(I'm not touching that 50/50 stinking pile Pelli vs FL)

On what planet is this a 50/50?

Sorry, but only my opinion is right, so if I say it's 50/50, it is 50/50

[Day One Wagon]

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

Herd mentality you say? But you yourself complained that mafia is popularity contest. I have tried to push my scumreads that no one cared in the past, it went as you can expect - no one gave a shit, so, I'm sorry that I'm going after my scumread that has some potential to get lynched

P-Edit: If Perry is so obv scum, why he still alive? I expected to find this thread locked in morning, but instead I found 10 new pages that I didn't even bothered to read after previous 20 of "you're scum" "no u" between Perry and FL. "Perry messed up with his claim" I see as a scumslip, yet I was told not to go against spirit of the game, when I tried to dig in to this, FL has pretty rich history of fake claiming, so that's too. I don't know who's saying truth, who's lying, I don't even want to touch this any more

[Day One Wagon]

Come now, kuribo... we're looking at a lynch in 6 RL days, and I feel like the game is in a pretty good place?

Yes, the meta stuff and secret alts who pretend they're not secret (I guess new players think themselves famous?) are pretty annoying, but whatever.

I think we all have a pretty long, and mostly well synced townie brownie list at this point.

Are you referring me as a secret not secret alt?

[Day One Wagon]

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

Herd mentality you say? But you yourself complained that mafia is popularity contest.

what i meant by that is that high charisma players are hard to lynch, and they shouldn't be. that's not a reason not to try; if we don't try, those players will simply win every game.
this is something i typically benefit from, outside of chandra i'm the funny warthog and no one wants to lynch the comic relief

P-Edit: If Perry is so obv scum, why he still alive? I expected to find this thread locked in morning, but instead I found 10 new pages that I didn't even bothered to read after previous 20 of "you're scum" "no u" between Perry and FL. "Perry messed up with his claim" I see as a scumslip, yet I was told not to go against spirit of the game, when I tried to dig in to this, FL has pretty rich history of fake claiming, so that's too. I don't know who's saying truth, who's lying, I don't even want to touch this any more

dude, talk about a question that answers itself. obviously if perry is scum he's alive because his partners are creating a distraction.
it baffles me that you'd refuse to analyze this yourself. you've just complained that you don't know who's lying, yet you also said that you've stopped reading the exchange. do you care or not?

What about, if Perry is town? And who are his partners? Ofrhz isn't in any position to actually distract people from Perry lynch.

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Gork, JJD, are we ok with Ofrhz lynch? This will force us to tell our hood info and I'm not sure I want to do that now

P-Edit: exactly, it's possible that Perry isn't scum, that everything is WIFOM, I just don't want to delve and calculate chances of all this and I just said 50/50 as a way to say that it can't go either way

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I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I'm pretty sure you'd be down to lynch half of the playerlist over Pelly

[Day One Wagon]

might as well give this the old college try VOTE: ofhrz

Nah, ofhrz is town. He’s being setup because he’s town reading Pelican hard

Then who you think is scum between Gork and JJD? Cause I strongly suspect we have scum in our hood

[Day One Wagon]

Maybe Bingle remembers my only scum game on this site and knows that I'd be all over Pelli, if he was my scumbuddy

[Day One Wagon]

Maybe Bingle remembers my only scum game on this site and knows that I'd be all over Pelli, if he was my scumbuddy

Maybe, but doubt it.

It’s just damage control.

He could be setting you up associatively if he goes down.

I could just scum read you because your stance on Pelican is disgusting

That was a joke - he didn't really paid attention there and let other hydra head do things

I'm well aware that your scumread on me is based solely on my stance and I'm hoping you're better than just shooting me for this

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JJD, you just had to ask, but I thought you figured out who I am since Pelli was calling me Ram and mentioned LNT. My main is Ramcius

[Day One Wagon]

Gork, JJD, are we ok with Ofrhz lynch? This will force us to tell our hood info and I'm not sure I want to do that now

YES to the question. As for the rest; make up your mind. You seemed to object, but then said you don't care, and now again you're against it. Which is it?

As always, I'm procrastinating on voting until I'm all caught up.

I said it wasn't that big deal about outing composition of our hood, I'm against telling them info of our hood, but we will talk that tonight as it seems ofrhz is off the table anyway

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Spoiler: Sample Flip
FakeGod, who was Dapper Owl, Company Owner, and aligned with Town, has been lynched in pregame.

OP seems to indicate neighborhood information doesn't flip.

It makes sense that roles doesn't flip or it would reveal hood on flip

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JJD, you just had to ask, but I thought you figured out who I am since Pelli was calling me Ram and mentioned LNT. My main is Ramcius

Ah! Figures. Also supports my TR on you.

Now you should see irony in my name (Surreptitious game)

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In fact.. 2010 is ironic since it states clearly in MY PM that our roles DO flip. I'll keep it at that for now.

And now that I said everything I wanted to, why not poss off some folks and end the day here and now??

VOTE: Perry Pelican

This town needs an enema (I would have crushed that Joker if I was casted in Batman rather than that Michael Keaton sisi)

Only part of our roles flip. You're evil person - now they'e going to wonder during night what the hell are we talking here

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Also, JJD, you can tell them about our hood, if you want, we'll probably have to claim D2 anyway and there no more risk of setup speculation to hinder lynch progression this day phase

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Since JJD didn't tell, I have to - thing he called me out at end of D1 is that our sanity flips

Now for night - I still believe that we have scum in our hood, it just makes so much sense putting one here with town vig (or 2, still not too sold on FL being town vig). JJD argument was that mechanically it makes more sense for scum to be in other 4 hoods. He started with scumread on ofrhz, then after some discussion he proposed us join invincible hood and form town block, I found that proposition opportunistic, it relied on fact that we all 4, Vecna and Marquis are town. I called him out and said I expect him to do better as a town than propose spmething like this. At end of the night his scumread on ofrhz resurfaced again, so I'm happy that I didn't agree - it appears that his townread ofrhz wasn't very serious and it makes his proposition even more suspicious

Another thing that JJD forgot to mention is that he called us clowns for turning down his offer and making choice to be shields for PRs - we essentially VTs, but scum must kill us, if they want caffeine win

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Pretty sure I’m conf town, D1L

Is it beyond scum you to shoot buddy to conf town yourself?

[Day One Wagon]

Still, it's hard to believe in 2 town vigs. On upside, I trust you more that I did after RCE flip and you're not my main lynch target for today any more

[Day One Wagon]

Still, it's hard to believe in 2 town vigs. On upside, I trust you more that I did after RCE flip and you're not my main lynch target for today any more

Yesterday people were saying the exact opposite

I don't think people believed in 2 vigs at all and thought RCE was lying

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4 caffeinations is really low what is going on in this setup

That leaves 10 ppl, our hood didn't acted most likely, down to 6, Bingle and Vecna most likely don't have active ability, it'll be too much with multivote, down to 4, so Kagami's hood, you, Pine and Marquis. 3 ppl from this list used their ability (I'm assuming FL shot fish until furher notice)

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Y'all. Can I please implore you to stop assuming there cant be two scum in one neighborhood. I dont want to lose the game to your crappy setup spec if I die and the mod felt even MILDLY tricksy.

That's what scum would say

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Also, I want to note that public caffeine addict info is for all living, not just town. So assuming scum is more likely to act, chances for multiple scum in that list is pretty high

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I refuse to believe 2217 is a genuine post. You made that post to set me off.

VOTE: DOL

Screw you.

I was pretty clear D1 that you're setting me off. Your post was just fluff. If you want to contribute to scumhunting - then do so, but instead you just whining again and shutting down discussion

Also, I'm flattered, but I'd say no to your generous proposal

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After some thinking - Chandra, why do you think Pine might be scum? Only 1 scum per hood idea clears only Pine, so you must have something against him

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FL, can you just straight up claim that fish was your shot? Cause for now it looks like you don't know how he died and you're unsure, if you can claim it or not

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FL, can you just straight up claim that fish was your shot? Cause for now it looks like you don't know how he died and you're unsure, if you can claim it or not

Very much by design.

This is a scum role fish.

So, could you stop role fish then and claim it wasn't you?

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VOTE: FL

I'm done with him

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JJD, we all knew Kuribo was scum kill tonight, Bingle and co wasn't in any danger, scum has no real reason to be afraid of their multivotes either considering how cautious both of them were

Chen, I think Kagami is saying he knows why Fish died and it wasn't FL

JJD, that Pops message is about marathon i think

[Day One Wagon]

Speaking of which, JJD, can we lynch you now and follow your plan tonight? Even if scum kills one of us, we have Pine now. For people wondering - JJD offered his life after we join Bingle's hood

[Day One Wagon]

Speaking of which, JJD, can we lynch you now and follow your plan tonight? Even if scum kills one of us, we have Pine now. For people wondering - JJD offered his life after we join Bingle's hood

No how about we dont

Shhh, we'll just lynch him, but we won't follow with the plan. Keep that in secret and don't tell anybody

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This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?

I dont believe they are truly unkillable. Otherwise a lone scum would concede to two town bulletproofs.

Yes, I would be fine putting two scum in the doc hood. Especially if one of them were the CPR doctor.

You're aware that we are 1-shot docs, right?

[Day One Wagon]

This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?

I dont believe they are truly unkillable. Otherwise a lone scum would concede to two town bulletproofs.

Yes, I would be fine putting two scum in the doc hood. Especially if one of them were the CPR doctor.

You're aware that we are 1-shot docs, right?

Yes. So what? I dont understand.

You're guessing that scum knows their sanity then?

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I'm just trying to understand why you're valuing so high 1-shot doc for scum to give 2 of them

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Bingle, I have question to you - does your multivote is tied to number of live vigs?

[Day One Wagon]

Bingle, I have question to you - does your multivote is tied to number of live vigs?

I have a decreasing number of votes. On day 4, my vote is normal.

I'm disappointed, I thought your role was cooler

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FL says that scum wouldn't kill him, if they know he's caffeinated

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FL says that scum wouldn't kill him, if they know he's caffeinated

Yes, that's not correct. With only 4 addicts (1-4 of which are scum!) scum are very much on track to win by parity, not caffiene. For example in this game state if we had an innocent child who was confirmed to be caffiene addicted, the scum would shoot that player every time.

I wouldn't kill IC, unless that IC was really strong player and I'd kill them no matter what role they are

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FL says that scum wouldn't kill him, if they know he's caffeinated

Yes, that's not correct. With only 4 addicts (1-4 of which are scum!) scum are very much on track to win by parity, not caffiene. For example in this game state if we had an innocent child who was confirmed to be caffiene addicted, the scum would shoot that player every time.

I wouldn't kill IC, unless that IC was really strong player and I'd kill them no matter what role they are

Bingle help me with this

IC by itself isn't that threatening, it's just that you can't ML them. Early game priority is to remove strong PRs and strong town players, late game IC becomes dangerous and you remove them, when there no more other real threats left

As for Bingle, he saw me letting D1 IC live in Fallout, my replacement killed IC N4 i think

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Marquis is old crowd. I think Chandra is older crowd. I’m not sure where DoL is coming from, tbh.

This is a good old fashioned policy wagon of the LAL variety, and the nostalgia is strong. Still it’s a red herring. It’s not going anywhere and it’s not intended to. If any of them is scum, they want you to be loud and outraged because loud outraged you is ineffective non gamesolving you. If any of them is scum, their buddies will have already told them this wagon is going nowhere fast, which means we need to look at what they’re distracting you from.

In other news, I’ve been pushing jjd and pops because they’re obvscum. I’m fucking solid on it. Like, Dannflor and sheep in that game where Nancy wouldn’t let us lynch sheep solid. Fuck it, maybe you’re right and JJD is Xtox, (he’s not, but we can have that fight after the pops red flip) but at least look at pops. She’s been making a habit of pushing people (like you with perry) into doing her dirty work for her so she can come off smelling like roses. And 2024 was both TMI-y and smug as fuck. Town sold on scum perry doesn’t just turn around and go “btw this mislynch is totally your fault kthxbye” in twilight before the flip.

I just have allergy to bs

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Time for more moon!logic:

pops is scum. FL said he would be shooting FM. pops told her scum buddies and one is in our hood. They decided to protect their buddy. FL actually didn't shoot and the doctor turned out to be the CPR doctor. I dunno where Kagami's confidence FL didn't shoot FM fits here.

The main weakness of this theory is I don't SR pops anymore.

Why are you all.missing that FL claimed he did shoot fish?

He literally said he made a promise yesterday.

He promised to our cop that hed shoot fish if pelican would flip town.

FL is dancing around, he haven't actually claimed this kill

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I did some analysis and I got quite funny picture - no scum in Bingle's crew as they all TR each other, same with Kagami's hood, Pop and FL aren't at each other throat, so no scum there? That leaves Pine scum and 2 scum in our hood or just 3 scum in our hood

[Day One Wagon]

or, what if one of bingle's crew is wrong

So, you're townreading whole Kagami's hood?

[Day One Wagon]

Then why you singled out Bingle's hood?

[Day One Wagon]

Just like half of the playerlist (at least)

Who else you consider for a lynch today besides Pop and Bingle?

I guess FL isn't happening, so I'd be ok with Chandra, maybe Kagami, Croag should just eat a bullet from a vig (I'm not scumreading that slot, but I'd rather not waste lynch there down the line)

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FL, who do you want to lynch? And be reasonable, don't say me

[Day One Wagon]

Lynching you is pretty reasonable

I'd like to see you try that

[Day One Wagon]

I try to reason with you and you're trying to turn this into 1v1? I can understand Chandra, she's pissed at me, but that's different issue altogether

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Who’s trying to turn what into a 1v1?

I guess it was just your nature rather than an attempt to piss me off

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Lynching you is pretty reasonable

I'd like to see you try that

It does sound like a good time. I like red flips.

Me too, that's why I said I'd like to lynch you

P-Edit: Really? Can I get some summary of your scumread on me?

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Lynching you is pretty reasonable

I'd like to see you try that

It does sound like a good time. I like red flips.

Me too, that's why I said I'd like to lynch you

P-Edit: Really? Can I get some summary of your scumread on me?

Well? Where's your vote, where's your argument? Don't you want to catch me?

I'm in no rush

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I'm willing to wait 1 night and let vig to deal with Croag, she isn't showing any intentions to actually play this game and pressuring with wagon won't help

[Day One Wagon]

Policy shot > policy lynch. PL gives scum extra nk

UNVOTE:

Happy now, Chandra?

[Day One Wagon]

When you guys say you TR Croag, are you willing to never lynch that slot in this game?

[Day One Wagon]

VOTE: Kagami

Sure

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Personally, I found strange how you and PP ended up in his TR list D1 and I knew you both were in his hood. I found it strange to assume so easily that your hood has no scum, Croag had like 3 posts, so that's not a reason think she's a scum of your hood.

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When you guys say you TR Croag, are you willing to never lynch that slot in this game?

How can you ask this question knowing full damn well that noone can ever be that serious?

Like, you expect scum to take the bait and go "YES MAN, WE TOTALLY DO"?

I really dont see the point in this post. I cannot think of anything.

Please, enlighten me. What was the point of this post?

To highlight how pointless TR on a lurker at this stage of the game is - I expected to get "no" and then ask "then how you plan to deal with that slot in future, if you refuse vig shot there tonight?"

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Just like half of the playerlist (at least)

Who else you consider for a lynch today besides Pop and Bingle?

I guess FL isn't happening, so I'd be ok with Chandra, maybe Kagami, Croag should just eat a bullet from a vig (I'm not scumreading that slot, but I'd rather not waste lynch there down the line)

super towny thing of you to say

doesnt scum read me but thinks i should get vig shot

good towny place there mate

It has nothing to do with my read on you, it's just that you do nothing to get townread and eventually you'll end up getting lynched for it. Vigging you now is better that lynching you later

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Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

[Day One Wagon]

Sorting unreadable slots is good for town

[Day One Wagon]

Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

Huh. So you know exactly who is in what hood? Interesting.

I have no idea. I blame Bingle for not posting an overview in our hood during the night.

Either you have a good memory, or just a scum hood where someone is keeping track.

Also, has it even been confirmed if everyone is in a hood?

Someone make a damn overview for me already.

It wasn't that hard to deduce, when 3 hoods were revealed early and our hood had 4 members, last one must've been 4 people not in any of 3 revealed hoods

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Im actually wondering - Why did the doc hood not make a concerted effort to try and SAVE KURIBO?

Are you seriously asking why we didn't even considered idea to get 4 caffeine addictions for 1 result from parity cop? He was going to die N2, if we saved him, also, one of us is JK btw, so not even cop check, just ruined scum kill

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Im actually wondering - Why did the doc hood not make a concerted effort to try and SAVE KURIBO?

Are you seriously asking why we didn't even considered idea to get 4 caffeine addictions for 1 result from parity cop? He was going to die N2, if we saved him, also, one of us is JK btw, so not even cop check, just ruined scum kill

No im asking why you didnt consider a single caffeine addiction to save the parity cop. My wordchoice mightve been poor, but im pretty sure it should be obvious what I meant.

I think you missed part, where we are unknown sanity docs. We have no idea who is doc or who is CPR, but we can deduce it later, cause sanity flips, hence we kinda decided to hold it and maybe get lucky later

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My eyes have been glazing over about the JJD trying to join the vanillizer hood topic.

What was JJD's logic in trying to join the hood? "Let's all be bulletproof"?

We (docs) agree that our hood has no scum, we form townblock with Marquis and Vecna and just lynch everyone outside of townblock, Bingle included

[Day One Wagon]

Im actually wondering - Why did the doc hood not make a concerted effort to try and SAVE KURIBO?

Are you seriously asking why we didn't even considered idea to get 4 caffeine addictions for 1 result from parity cop? He was going to die N2, if we saved him, also, one of us is JK btw, so not even cop check, just ruined scum kill

No im asking why you didnt consider a single caffeine addiction to save the parity cop. My wordchoice mightve been poor, but im pretty sure it should be obvious what I meant.

I think you missed part, where we are unknown sanity docs. We have no idea who is doc or who is CPR, but we can deduce it later, cause sanity flips, hence we kinda decided to hold it and maybe get lucky later

No I didnt miss that part. I just missed you guys talking about your discussion on saving someone N1. Id have imagined talking about y'all being docs n all, and a very strong cop-role being nightkilled wouldve resulted in you guys prioritizing that discussion, over reporting how JJD really wanted to get into our hood.

We're not gamblers, it was 50/50 at best. I just accepted for a fact that Kuribo is going to die and I made decision to hold my ability and force scum to kill me over other PRs, if they want chance at caffeine win

Also, Kuribo was never confirmed to be parity cop, it was D1 claim that might've been thrown out so casually to bait scum into killing him

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My eyes have been glazing over about the JJD trying to join the vanillizer hood topic.

What was JJD's logic in trying to join the hood? "Let's all be bulletproof"?

We (docs) agree that our hood has no scum, we form townblock with Marquis and Vecna and just lynch everyone outside of townblock, Bingle included

this is genuinly worst post ive ever read tbh

Then go on with the program and vote JJD, maybe he'll call you clown too

[Day One Wagon]

My eyes have been glazing over about the JJD trying to join the vanillizer hood topic.

What was JJD's logic in trying to join the hood? "Let's all be bulletproof"?

We (docs) agree that our hood has no scum, we form townblock with Marquis and Vecna and just lynch everyone outside of townblock, Bingle included

you know a doc role is really helpful for a scum when there are vig's in the game

im 99% sure there is one maf in the doc hood

I'll help you on this a bit - we are all 1-shot: normal doc, JK, Visitor and CPR doc (saves target from attack, but kills target, if it wasn't attacked), we have no clue who is who, but it's revealed on death

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Personally, I found strange how you and PP ended up in his TR list D1 and I knew you both were in his hood. I found it strange to assume so easily that your hood has no scum, Croag had like 3 posts, so that's not a reason think she's a scum of your hood.

Who says we cant have been townread based on our play?

How did you know we were in the same hood?

How was kagami assuming the hood had no scum if croag was not a townread?

How? Well, when I see 3 hoods outed and thus I have 4 people not in any hood (cause I knew who was in mine), it's pretty likely they are in same hood

Yes, it's that one lurker with 3 posts and who was prodded by Kagami's demand is scum in your hood. Lack of paranoia feels really off, when people in other hoods were suspecting each other

Also, based on play is funny, when PP haven't done anything meaningful yet

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Personally, I found strange how you and PP ended up in his TR list D1 and I knew you both were in his hood. I found it strange to assume so easily that your hood has no scum, Croag had like 3 posts, so that's not a reason think she's a scum of your hood.

Who says we cant have been townread based on our play?

How did you know we were in the same hood?

How was kagami assuming the hood had no scum if croag was not a townread?

How? Well, when I see 3 hoods outed and thus I have 4 people not in any hood (cause I knew who was in mine), it's pretty likely they are in same hood

Yes, it's that one lurker with 3 posts and who was prodded by Kagami's demand is scum in your hood. Lack of paranoia feels really off, when people in other hoods were suspecting each other

Also, based on play is funny, when PP haven't done anything meaningful yet

are u still calling me scum here?

Nah, Chandra asked how I knew Kagami wasn't scumreading you early D1 and I said it's foolish to assume that person with 3 posts is a scum in your hood - Kagami had townreads on both Chandra and PP, you haven't done anything, so either Kagami assumed no scum in your hood or you're scum

[Day One Wagon]

Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

She is giving content right now. Let's hope that continues instead of botching about it.

I think this is the post of someone afraid their free lynch might slip away.

Reading is virtue, my young padavan - I wanted Croag to be vigged, I'm against Croag's lynch today, I might consider it tommorow, if Croag isn't vigged though

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Also, has it even been confirmed if everyone is in a hood?

Not until croag's post right above this was it 100% confirmed. People assumed the four of us were all together, but I believe the only certainty that could be derived from the actual posts in the thread was that I was with kagami and at least one other person.

It was pretty obv Croag was in hood after Kagami asked for prod

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How? Well, when I see 3 hoods outed and thus I have 4 people not in any hood (cause I knew who was in mine), it's pretty likely they are in same hood

Yes, it's that one lurker with 3 posts and who was prodded by Kagami's demand is scum in your hood. Lack of paranoia feels really off, when people in other hoods were suspecting each other

Also, based on play is funny, when PP haven't done anything meaningful yet

Likely, not guaranteed. What I'm trying to suss out here is whether you knew for sure because you had inside knowledge.

I dont know how you can say this unironically while not suspecting anyone in your hood. Plenty of players are doing this, so why single out kagami for not suspecting 2 players in his hood?

PP has not done anything meaningful, but personally i was lightly town reading them for tone day 1, so i can certainly sympathize with kagami listing them as a townread on day 1.

When did I said that? I'd love to lynch JJD, but it's just not happening today

If we talk D1, I literally said I had scumread on Gork for trying make Pine's wagon while scumreading Pop, at end of the day I asked other people in my hood, if we should go after ofrhz, cause that would forced to reveal our hood

Btw, you guys try to look like masons so hard that it's not even funny any more

[Day One Wagon]

Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

She is giving content right now. Let's hope that continues instead of botching about it.

I think this is the post of someone afraid their free lynch might slip away.

Reading is virtue, my young padavan - I wanted Croag to be vigged, I'm against Croag's lynch today, I might consider it tommorow, if Croag isn't vigged though

i really dont need to be vigged

just saying

It's not me to decide, I can only voice my opinion on this matter, which is that I don't want lynch you, but it would be helpful, if you get vigged

[Day One Wagon]

Like, I can "assume" Yes is the answer from ofrhz/D1L/Marquis/Bingle, but I don't want to be putting words in their mouths.

You know, with unkillable hood being addicted, I'm worried to lynch in our hood now - scum has more reasons to kill us and I'd rather not help them, if I'm wrong on you

[Day One Wagon]

Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

She is giving content right now. Let's hope that continues instead of botching about it.

I think this is the post of someone afraid their free lynch might slip away.

Reading is virtue, my young padavan - I wanted Croag to be vigged, I'm against Croag's lynch today, I might consider it tommorow, if Croag isn't vigged though

You still feel that way after the slots recent posts?

Ofc, Croag haven't done enough to earn pretty strong TR in general, so chances for Croag lynch in near future is pretty damn high, especially considering how divided everyone are on their lynch preferences and Croag looks like really nice consensus lynch D3/D4

I'll try explain to my position - if you expect someone to be lynched, you'd better vig that slot, if you a have chance. Lynching will give scum extra night and that's extra kill and that's pretty dangerous late in the game, where lynchbaity slot like Croag finds their demise

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2 vigs and that CPR doc that is also a 1shot vig......

Vecna, please stop this. The CPR isn't a Vig. They don't know they're the CPR Doctor until after the fact, or if all other 3 flipped already. Only then can they be a Vig. Like, if I wanted to kill Croag I wouldn't be able to do it because I could be in fact protecting her. If I wanted to protect you I can'r because I could be killing you in reality. NO ONE KNOWS THEIR SANITY IN OUR HOOD.

Im still really wondering how that works, since roleflips dont actually give role information, just a flavor-occupation

It gives sanity in our case, this is explicitly stated on our rolecards

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Also, has it even been confirmed if everyone is in a hood?

Not until croag's post right above this was it 100% confirmed. People assumed the four of us were all together, but I believe the only certainty that could be derived from the actual posts in the thread was that I was with kagami and at least one other person.

It was pretty obv Croag was in hood after Kagami asked for prod

The fudge? The hoods don't have daytalk. Why would Kagami be more likely to prod someone in his hood instead of someone outside of his hood?

This sounds like a scumslip from having daytalk with Kagami or Croag

Its not the first time something like this was suggested. Howd you know this is the same for all hoods though?

I don't understand the question

Is it confirmed none of the hoods have daychat?

Yes, it is mod confirmed in first post that only maf PT has daytalk

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chances for Croag lynch in near future is pretty damn high, especially considering how divided everyone are on their lynch preferences and Croag looks like really nice consensus lynch D3/D4

Croag's recent contributions are fairly town. You are not getting your free lynch. Sorry c:

At this point I'm not sure you know how to read

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Please, show me where I said I want to lynch Croag?

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Like, I can "assume" Yes is the answer from ofrhz/D1L/Marquis/Bingle, but I don't want to be putting words in their mouths.

You know, with unkillable hood being addicted, I'm worried to lynch in our hood now - scum has more reasons to kill us and I'd rather not help them, if I'm wrong on you

I'll take this as a no then? Correct me if I'm wrong

Yes, it's a no from me for today

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Please, show me where I said I want to lynch Croag?

You literally just offered them as a consensus lynch, and are desperate to have them vigged (you'll then suggest lynching them when FL doesnt listen to you) and I'm quite sure I already pointed out another time when you seemed unwilling to admit croag is looking less lynchable

Again, please learn how to read what I say, not just invent what you want to see

I'll suggest simple excercise to you - look at playerlist and try to predict 3 next lynches and how easily you expect for them to be to lynch. Now ask yourself, how likely people would lynch these 3 people you predict without losing their patience and just lynching Croag? Yes, Croag is a tiny bit towny, but you should look at bigger picture - where you put Croag in this playerlist and not just your own opinion, but general read in comparison with rest of the players

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tbh from an objective standpoint im not most scummy/lynch target for next 3/4 days

i would put them on 3 other players over me

imo more scummy players than me are DOL, chenn and bingle

my scum read on pops has all but gone now

Chen isn't a lynch, Gork was scumreading Fish pretty strong

Good luck fighting Bingle/Vecna/Marquis, if you want Bingle's head

That leaves just me, I guess we'll see, if I get access to dead thread early (I expected N3, N2 prob Chen)

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I'd argue that it's quality that matters, not quantity, but everyone has right to have their own opinions, even in mafia

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He is now wagoning onto Day 1 Lynch even though I don't remember him ever mentioning the player before naked voting him.

He's scumreading me pretty strong since end of D1, when I refused take part in 1v1 between him and Perry, said me and Bingle are at the bottom of his list D2 too. But this vote isn't consistent with what he said not that long ago

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Yall we don’t lunch kagami here

You are free to propose different lynch, if you disagree, but you'll need some compelling arguments too

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I'll agree with the sentiment that, for actual role related reasons that arent just loltownreadingmyhood, it makes sense to not touch us until day 3.

Well, then that leaves us with only Pine as a sole lynch candidate for today - unkillable hood is out of question, they can just powerlynch with 6 votes, if they were threatened, I don't want lynch in our for caffeine reasons as we are not addicted and scum has to come and kill us, Pop/FL isn't on the table either, your hood is TRing each other for "reasons" and we should lynch there either

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I literally just stated that that isnt the reason.

There are other lynch candidates. Just because you dont like them, doesnt mean they dont exist. Also, do you have some mysterious reason to think pine is addicted? Otherwise your reasoning for taking yourself off the table is major garbo.

I don't have any reason to believe that Pine won't get addicted in future, he must have ability at least or ninja modifier would've been pointless, while we are essentially VTs and scum knows we won't get addicted

Please enlighten me on these other candidates. I gave my PoV on situation, also I stand by my word that my preference is you or Kagami, not Pine, but I'm not stopping people, if they decides to lynch Pine as he haven't done anything to warrant TR on that slot

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They're your hood because most of you are scummy and never lynching you all is just not something that is happeninf

Nah, I'm good with lynching your hood

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That's nice.

You know, if you use actual arguments instead of "scummy", people might take you more serious

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I literally just stated that that isnt the reason.

There are other lynch candidates. Just because you dont like them, doesnt mean they dont exist. Also, do you have some mysterious reason to think pine is addicted? Otherwise your reasoning for taking yourself off the table is major garbo.

I had just a random thought about this - why does it matter, if Pine is addicted? Scum addiction doesn't matter, so it sounds like scum Chandra saying Pine is town

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It doesn't matter, if Pine is addicted or not. Point is, if Chandra thinks Pine is town, why not say that?

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Considering I didn't followed with vote on Chandra, this idea was on tinfoil level and I even said it was random idea. I just wanted opinions

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Considering I didn't followed with vote on Chandra, this idea was on tinfoil level and I even said it was random idea. I just wanted opinions

I know it's disappointing you can't use the edit function when you roll scum but posts like these don't actually work as a substitute.

I literally just stated that that isnt the reason.

There are other lynch candidates. Just because you dont like them, doesnt mean they dont exist. Also, do you have some mysterious reason to think pine is addicted? Otherwise your reasoning for taking yourself off the table is major garbo.

I had just a random thought

about this - why does it matter, if Pine is addicted? Scum addiction doesn't matter, so it sounds like scum Chandra saying Pine is town

Yes, I agree, that typo "had just" instead of "just had" is terrible, but these things happens, when I type fast, but I don't think that makes me scum

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Considering I didn't followed with vote on Chandra

what else is new, you love to call me scum but actually doing anything about it is evidently a bridge too far

I'll refresh your memory - you were my preferred D1 wagon over Perry, but sure, I haven't done anything about you. Sorry about D2, people decided Kagami is better wagon than you, so I go went with Kagami instead of starting vanity wagon on you, I'm really sorry, but I'm going to do things that progress game

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yes, pops' comment was clearly about your grammar. /s

When I see stupid comment, I threat it as a joke, it's less offensive than calling someone stupid to their face

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Also, I like how you compare Pine to 4 man hood and you think I should threat those same way in my analysis

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I like the pattern of answers you got. I hope one of them answers N and the other never responds in order to preserve the pattern.

We should all change to yes.

In first grade I had a worksheet with a horizontal row of 8 boxes and I was told to use a red crayon and a blue crayon to color each of the boxes such that they made a pattern. I colored them all blue because that's a pattern. My teacher marked that problem wrong. She is wrong and I was right. To this day I think about it.

But separately maybe we should all change to yes because JJD has dropped scumhunting altogether for an overtly Survivor centered exercise

You were told to use red and blue, you used only blue, so you're wrong there

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I like the pattern of answers you got. I hope one of them answers N and the other never responds in order to preserve the pattern.

We should all change to yes.

In first grade I had a worksheet with a horizontal row of 8 boxes and I was told to use a red crayon and a blue crayon to color each of the boxes such that they made a pattern. I colored them all blue because that's a pattern. My teacher marked that problem wrong. She is wrong and I was right. To this day I think about it.

But separately maybe we should all change to yes because JJD has dropped scumhunting altogether for an overtly Survivor centered exercise

You were told to use red and blue, you used only blue, so you're wrong there

I happen to agree. I would've coloured them all VIOLET. (Now prove me wrong).

I'm thinking about lynching you, so I don't have answer this

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Does your sanities flip like ours?

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I'm going to say this just in case the thread is locked before I come back:

Me neither.

As you guys probably should have guessed, we're cops of random sanities.

Three of us acted, and thus became caffeinated. Croag neglected to act because she's too cool to submit investigations.

Unfortunately, absolutely none of our investigations so far will ever be useful. Penguin investigated pops for heaven knows what reason, and I investigated Fish, who was killed. Both of those investigation came back Town, so PP and I are naive / insane.

Ceph claims to have investigated Gork and gotten guilty. We don't know if he's telling the truth and it doesn't matter. Ceph and Croag are paranoid/sane.

That is great!

3 in your hood + Marquis acted (according to Vecna) + Vecna himself is caffeinated from the start + Vig = 6 not 4.

We can definitely assume Chandra lied, but that still makes it 5 players on caffeine and not 4!

Vig isn't confirmed

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Maf, do me favor and shoot me tonight, thanks

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Bingle, I'm at my limits, all these people with God complex, who thinks they are better than rest of us and playing their own little games, doing their own little gambits, I just have enough, I just want go to dead chat and laugh at all of you trying to play this game. If you're wondering, you're included in this list

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VOTE: Chandra

"I do my duties, pay the price.
I'll do the worthy sacrifice."

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Don't get pocketed in your hoods people

Same to you

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Why I'm still alive?

VOTE: FL

Don't mind lynching JJD either

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Have you discussed with PP who to check or you both decided yourself on check targets?

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Why I'm still alive?

VOTE: FL

Don't mind lynching JJD either

As if NOW, I don't mind lynching this out of spite. If it came down to D1L vs an outed scum I am going to vote D1L still.

Let's see, you conf town for pushing Chandra, right? Why you didn't voted her and parked your vote on ofrhz? Where were you, when I was calling people to go after Chandra? Right, foing your little "Do you want lynch me?" game. Chandra strangely never voted you despite going after our hood and voting me with ofrhz, she was even saying we had 2 scum in our hood.

I told you plain and simple - start acting towny and I will TR you, remember what you told me? That you don't care if I TR you or not, so why so fuss now again?

Have you discussed with PP who to check or you both decided yourself on check targets?

They both decided on theor own, which is why they ended up checking the same player. Get out of here.

I'd like quote about that. If you can't provide one, don't get in my way - is it that hard for you to understand that I want to see if either of them tried to influence other's decision


I love how you call Bingle out on "3 cops", yet you completely disregard his claim that someone joined their hood and we just need to wait for result on Marquis claim. On top of that, that someone is either ofrhz or Chenis. Cops wasting check? I'd lynch on the spot them, Pop didn't used FN, FL claims not used his shot, you claim used yours N1 and I sure as hell didn't used mine

If there is scum in unkillable hood, my sights goes for Bingle

P-Edit: I"m scum after sitting on Chandra's ass all game, but you should be cleared for "pushing her" you made my day, JJD

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VOTE: JJD

feel free to shoot me tonight, FL. I was expecting that since D1, you were looking for a reason to scumread me so much this game that it's not even funny, my hood buddies can confirm how I told to lynch you D2, if I die to vig bullet N1

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VOTE: JJD

feel free to shoot me tonight, FL. I was expecting that since D1, you were looking for a reason to scumread me so much this game that it's not even funny, my hood buddies can confirm how I told to lynch you D2, if I die to vig bullet N1

Ram, fuck your vote, I don't care about it. It's how you talk that's bothering me. Everytime you open your mouth I feel like throwing up from the stink. Ok? Now do as you wish, but please stop talking to me altogether before I snap and say things I can never remedy.

I'm not voting Marquis, voting FL is a scumclaim, so who you suggest to vote, oh, wise JJD?

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FL, why JJD is town?

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gamestate dictates jjd and i are the mislynch candidates for scum. Chandra also never gets in the situation they did with one of us as their scum partner.

Chandra was on and off pushing me depending on how i acted towards her.

I feel I was the main mislynch candidate, and when I wasn’t happening, they pivoted over to JJd, so that means there’s likely a strong player, possibly bingle, with an incorrect read thus making it easy for scum.

There are way too many people ‘cleared unless...’ which there’s always that unless. That is the mark of scum interference.

Scum has been on me, and scum has been on jjd, maybe not voting wise, but push and agenda wise.

It's funny how Chandra's push works as clear only when it's convenient - Chandra was going after our hood, me and ofrhz mostly, but it's you and JJD cleared.

What you can tell about Pops wanting to FN Kagami and Kagami dying same night? I'd believe Pops scum, if she claimed to use ability, but she didn't, so why we don't give another night? But it looks not good for you, as you knew that Kagami was Pops target

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VOTE: Pops

tbh, why would you ever tell your FN target in hood, if you don't trust you neighbour?

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Chandra was on ofrhz most of D2 before changing vote to me, so I'm not sold on scum ofrhz just yet

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Someone clearly got FN from Marquis or they would outed that already

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FL brought good point - if scum joined hood, obviously they can clear Marquis. So, if person that joined is questionable, it might be good idea deal with them today and we either get scum lynch or IC Marquis

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Don't like how eager DOL was to jump on this wagon.

I just want more scum ashes

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We have plenty of time to wait and find out whether Marquis is scum by mechanic, although I also think he's pretty clearly scum by dayplay.

I'd like to get Flavor Leaf lynched because I can't put together a puzzle of this game where he's town, but if we don't lynch the obvscum

I'd like to lynch among the people who can't mechanically confirm themselves town

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Bolded part essentially says "anyone that isn't me" - you're only person with mechanical clear. But here we run in the issue - why haven't used FN yet? Why claim to target Kagami in the hood with your scumread?

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Marquis can mechanically confirm themselves town.

Flavor Leaf in theory can mechanically confirm himself town yet is actively not doing so and my comment is meant to highlight that extra

so you got about a third of what that's about.

Funny, how obv scum FL can confirm themselves as town, even if he's town, he's a vig, how he can confirm? Marquis is a special case, but ok, so you have no TR on 8 ppl?

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Croag and chennisden are both hard TRs for me and that's already in thread, idk what you're angling at with this

You still didn't answered - why haven't used your FN yet?

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I just remembered something - Chandra was always popping to defend Pops (I just remembered someone calling Chandra for it D2), and Pops were defending Chandra, when I called her out, even asked for scum (my) ashes from Chandra to TR her

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There's no reason to deal with unkillable hood now then. They can just lynch Bingle/Vecna in 3p LYLO

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You making no sense at all. How about you tell us why you haven't used FN yet? And what about FL confirming himself, not obv scum any more?

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It nice and all, but I remember you telling scum would kill caffeinated IC on the spot, so why you not want to be nk and save other people from death?

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UNVOTE:

I want to say so much, but I don't like to sear, so just use your imagination