Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Lady 4]

Hello. I wish we had more memorable names.

[Lady 4]

Hello. I wish we had more memorable names.

We could come up with memorable nicknames based on avatars. That might be easier than numbering everyone.

That would help me a lot. Can we do this?

[Lady 4]

Perhaps I'll nickname all of you whether you like it or not.

[Lady 4]

I am now Woman Laughing Alone With Salad.

[Lady 4]

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

Let's let the lady speak without supplying her with answers.

[Lady 4]

Not sure if I lack reads because I'm distracted -- having a weird af day today friends -- or because of the nonmemorable names.

Gentleman 3 is now Crowman. I can do Dawn and Misty. Is Lady 9's avatar Celeste? Lady 2 can be... Eyes? 7 will just have to be 7, hope no one else is a number.

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

Let's let the lady speak without supplying her with answers.

Is this a real thoight?

Do you think people routinely point out a post that bugged them and need an answer supplied to them?

I mean posts do bug me sometimes and I don’t know why, but still this reaction feels weird.

Valid point. I don't know why I posted that.

I have a bad habit of butting into conversations. I'll try to stop.

[Lady 4]

Do you usually have a lot of reads this early?

No, but these early pages seem better than usual.

[Lady 4]

Speaking of being overly conciliatory.

I'm so sorry for being conciliatory. Is there anything I can do to make it up to you?

[Lady 4]

I read Dawn's posts while pretending the smileys weren't there and I now like them. Also, this is weak but don't think using them is a quality scum tactic at first glance. It's bound to rub some the wrong way.

[Lady 4]

Hello. I wish we had more memorable names.

We could come up with memorable nicknames based on avatars. That might be easier than numbering everyone.

That would help me a lot. Can we do this?

Be the change you wish to see!

By the way, I was serious about my town read on Lady 7. Just off the first page she immediately comes off as much more carefree and unconcerned about self-image in her tone. Dawn's memey posting seems a lot more forced by comparison. Lady 5/Dawn why did you ignore #30?

Misty can join my early early town leans too.

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

I think overall her posting has been forced and that post in particular was too concerned with how people view her slot. Townies can read like that sometimes but it's more often a scum trait,

especially

in the early game where establishing yourself can be awkward.

This lady seems like they rolled town. I hope they get asked to the dance.

Lowkey this, too.

[Lady 4]

Lady 1 is slacking.

[Lady 4]

I read Dawn's posts while pretending the smileys weren't there and I now like them. Also, this is weak but don't think using them is a quality scum tactic at first glance. It's bound to rub some the wrong way.

People care about smiley use?

The use of smileys isn’t alignment indicative. That wasn’t even part of the critique.

Maybe not deliberately, but yes, I think small things like that affect people. I also think that avatars play into reads on a subconscious level.

At least one person mentioned it.

[Lady 4]

I read Dawn's posts while pretending the smileys weren't there and I now like them. Also, this is weak but don't think using them is a quality scum tactic at first glance. It's bound to rub some the wrong way.

People care about smiley use?

The use of smileys isn’t alignment indicative. That wasn’t even part of the critique.

Maybe not deliberately, but yes, I think small things like that affect people. I also think that avatars play into reads on a subconscious level.

At least one person mentioned it.

I would think the smiley's would be a pre-decided roleplay quirk regardless of alignment. The potentially AI part was the asking if the quirk bothered anyone.

Possibly. And I can see the latter as appeasing.

The more significant part of 75 was that I think their posts are town aside from this issue anyhow.

[Lady 4]

I am already getting the impression Madeline is a more accomplished scumhunter than I.

[Lady 4]

@Lady 9 (My nicknames aren't going to stick, are they? I'm getting used to it.)

You may hate this, as you seem like an analytical player, but I buy these as genuinely at ease posts. Specifically, 21 and 24, and now 84 as well. I like 106 too, as the tonal slip speaks of someone who's not overthinking their posts.

[Lady 4]

I would prefer to wing it even though it's most likely not correct.

I'm wary of getting our ducks all lined up in a row and treating the rest of the game as already played out. I'd rather have room to make changes as more interactions emerge.

[Lady 4]

Anon alts in this setup are such a good idea.

[Lady 4]

I'm wary of that because scum have pretty much no incentive to avoid bussing, so associatives will probably not be helpful.

The possibility you may be correct about this has me shook.

[Lady 4]

I think it's too early to give as much as they did about it and the reasons they gave essentially say nothing

Which is it?

[Lady 4]

I think it's too early to give as much as they did about it and the reasons they gave essentially say nothing

Which is it?

You both made a bunch of posts about it

A bunch?

Both claims are essentially unfalsifiable,

Do you take this much issue with gut reads normally?

essentially meaningless,

It's fairly easy to consult the posts and see if this is a reasonable thing to think about them.

and they're the kind of thing that scum use often when giving townreads to town in the early game because they sound good.

What's the difference between this and having a townread? Unless you're more specific, this is also unfalsifiable.

[Lady 4]

If you'd like me to go against the consensus some more, I can let you know that I am not townreading Lady 7.

[Lady 4]

I only take this much issue with gut reads when I think that they're scummy and I think that there's a certain kind of defensiveness in your response to me that makes me think that you're even more scummy.

You've done a poor job of explaining what is scummy about it.

[Lady 4]

Hey can someone walk me through how to make an image avatar size?

I resized mine in Paint.

[Lady 4]

And then their only scumread is Lady 7, who just so happens to be the only other person who called them out earlier in the game.

Did you just complain that I had a read too early, and now I don't have enough reads for you?

I don't love Lady 3 either, I just didn't see any reason to mention it.

[Lady 4]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Lady 4]

Did you just complain that I had a read too early, and now I don't have enough reads for you?

I don't love Lady 3 either, I just didn't see any reason to mention it.

This isn't at all what I complained about.

I took the word "only" as being important. I guess it wasn't.

I even had the exact same townread on Lady 5 that you did. What I had an issue with was how you presented that read to everyone, you took several posts to do it and never said anything about it.
I would have interpreted it in a townier way if you had either said you had a gut townread there or if you had said something with more substance, but I felt you gave a completely empty answer.

You can interpret it however you like. It doesn't seem like I'm going to be able to reach you right now anyway. It's not a great sign in my mind for this going well that you were also bothered by defensiveness, which I'm likely going to continue to do and which I feel is a poor excuse for a reason in general.

And regarding Lady 7, it's not the fact that it's your only scumread that's the problem it's that you're going after the person who called you out earlier.
The fact that I'm facing a ton of resistance on this scumread, a major part of it from the slot that I thought was second most likely to be scum, doesn't help my feelings on it either.

I'm not trying to go after them. It's not really much of a scumread. I just don't think the consensus townreads she was getting at the start are justified, and I'm bothered by Lady 2's statement that she groups them in with Lady 9, who I feel is much townier.

I'm not sure this is "a ton of resistance."

[Lady 4]

I'll happily admit that I was basically just trying to say "gut" in more words. I like to cite posts to encourage others to look at them and possibly arrive at the same conclusion.

[Lady 4]

I also think that the misrep on me to "having reads too early" is super, super scummy.

This is what I get from 162.

[Lady 4]

Everyone seems to be having trouble remembering that, including Gentleman 2.

[Lady 4]

Mostly I want to know how L4 reads G6.

I'm unsure. I was tempted to scumread him a few times, but I see some glimmers of genuine thought that I happen to disagree with.

[Lady 4]

I liked that post too... can we get an F in the chat for Dannflor though

[Lady 4]

We know

[Lady 4]

Alas. Even anonymous, I am doomed to be controversial at best.

[Lady 4]

I really should be able to do better.

[Lady 4]

This game is going to be a massacre of people I wanted to play with outing themselves and probably getting replaced by randos.

[Lady 4]

I am also someone I wanted to play with, so that checks out.

I know this can be read in a sexual way and I don't care.

[Lady 4]

Would you believe that I went to the first post for a playerlist to think about who my strongest townreads are? It wasn't very helpful.

Just Lady 9 and Lady 5 for me, maybe Lady 2. I'm surprised that you find this exercise helpful in developing your own reads, though.

[Lady 4]

@L2: Because this strategy requires cooperation, it can't be left until later since people will probably start pairing badly which will lead to suicides. I appreciate you repeating them for me. I'm also getting distracted by interacting with people currently instead of rereading on a bigger screen.

@G2: yeah let's avoid suiciding. If you're a cassandra, show that off now with sorting out good pairings

Can you elaborate on this, how do you know that they had avatars early?

I scoped out all of the players because I was interested in what people were doing. You can still find profiles even if someone hasn't posted, using the member list. Lady 6 does not have an avatar.

This seems like a nothing question. I mean if you're interested in how to view their profiles sure, but sounded like you were trying to get a read off my method somehow.

This post is good enough for a weak townread from me for now.

@L2 It is entirely based on that one post you made. I'll go grab it so I can articulate why.

[Lady 4]

Fair. I probably wouldn't like me either, and I know it, and it's really gnawing at me. Something isn't gelling. I want to be engaging here. Like genuinely I do. But it's not working, apparently. Like it's apparent even to me that I'm trying to say something but I get passed right by, like a ghost. Maybe it's posting while working, here and there, while other people are managing to have actual back-and-forth conversations.

While scum would be, if anything, more likely to have this thought process, I feel they would be less likely to post it. This successfully came off as real for me. And yes, there is a risk to attempting this type of post for scum. Poorly executing it could torpedo them.

Oh, G4 also kind of lower bracket. Actually scratch that, I like him taking the offered mantle as Town leader. That's actually quite fine. Same with early offer. Actually even better. I saw the jokey pizza post and was wondering how long that shtick would take to play out. Moving fast on an offer was a strong Town move, like he stepped up to the plate and then actually delivered. Good choice of initial offer, too. L3 was in early but did and said little. G4's offer will offer some focus in a new direction.

I do actually like the broad strokes of the treanding-towards-consensus reads I'm seeing. I actually like all the active gentlemen fairly well, G3, G4, and G6 all Townleaning for me.

These would be some easily places to buck the trend without looking weird. Liked that that opportunity was passed on. Also, think taking note of G4's antics at all is positive, I was thinking along similar lines at one point though arrived at a NAI conclusion. My sole quibble is that townreading as many gentlemen as possible seems strong for a scum lady.

[Lady 4]

We have to have nicknames for people all these L2/G5 feels like I am playing a chess game

You all can call me Rick
Lady 7 is Eureka
Lady 3 is Misty
Lady 9 is Robin
Gentleman 6 is Harry

They need to be clearly connected to the avatars or they're counterproductive

[Lady 4]

I fail to see how going into that questioning will yield a town or scum mindset tbh.

I have no idea what you're making these posts for, G4.

I can easily think of a way G3 could be coming from a scum mindset here.

[Lady 4]

I have no idea who any of you are and I won't care until the game is over.

[Lady 4]

Gentleman 1 is instantly the cutest.

[Lady 4]

May I just call you Salad?

Oh, so forward. You may.

[Lady 4]

We have to have nicknames for people all these L2/G5 feels like I am playing a chess game

You all can call me Rick
Lady 7 is Eureka
Lady 3 is Misty
Lady 9 is Robin
Gentleman 6 is Harry

They need to be clearly connected to the avatars or they're counterproductive

Carol they are all avatar connected

Well I don't get some of them, so it's just making it hard for me to decipher your posts!

[Lady 4]

I assume Madeline is Lady 8?

9. I hope that correction makes my post not need explanation.

[Lady 4]

Kinda wanted to hook up with Wolf but now he's all up in here pushing directions that feel pointless to me.

[Lady 4]

She is analytical and generally has reasoning that feels pretty solid. Whereas you may notice my reading strategies have more wobbly wobbly liberal artsness to them.

[Lady 4]

I can easily think of a way G3 could be coming from a scum mindset here.

I mean, that post was in reference to me saying that "I'm no longer sure" isn't a common phrasing, so unless you think I knowingly lied about that to make G6 look bad and thought nobody would call me on it, then that interaction would go exactly the same way regardless of my alignment.

I was suggesting that it's possible scum might be looking to attack on points that are not significant. Don't take this as me suspecting you, merely pointing out that G4's posts on the subject were nonsense.

[Lady 4]

I feel that 362 constitutes an attack.

[Lady 4]

I very rarely get mired enough in detail to notice something like this but I actually think you're revising history and full of shit here.

[Lady 4]

Maybe I'm jumping at shadows, idk. I'm really terrible at following arguments beyond a certain level of depth. Maybe someone else can weigh in and tell me if I'm crazy.

[Lady 4]

Particularly feeling good about clearly a thorough and interactive read of the game to this point coming up with no real scumreads.

It's funny what contrarians so many of us seem to be.

[Lady 4]

I'll try to sort this out for my own benefit.

I mean I think it's pretty clear-cut?
I ask for clarification in 350
G6 calls my questioning bad and heavily implies that it's scummy in 354 and 356

It doesn't read like looking for clarification, mostly because of the ellipses. So at minimum I can't blame him for taking it the way he did.

I defend my question by telling G6 that he shouldn't be ambiguous in 362

It comes off as an attack and I'm having difficulty believing you can't see that.

[Lady 4]

Whatever. I'll move on.

[Lady 4]

I don't agree with any of the pairing Lady 5 is doing. Particularly putting G2 with L7, but also all of it.

@G2: I'm a little concerned that's a waste of L9, but it isn't horrible.

As for myself, I honestly don't think any of the gentlemen who have posted much will make a good partner for me, except possibly for 6 who will surely not want me. I hope 7 or 8 turn out to be my type. I should've known people who mesh well with me would also be more likely to choose to be ladies.

[Lady 4]

I'm willing to go with G2 should he wish it, his posting has improved and I previously didn't think it would be an option as he didn't like me early.

I feel warm and fuzzy about the more positive takes on me. <3

[Lady 4]

G5 being turbotown is definitely a hot take.

[Lady 4]

Eh if I'm outing that I might as well out both of my reads.
I think that L7-L9 associatives look extremely likely to be SvS.
I think that L7 independently is the scummiest slot in the game right now.

Given that these are very unpopular reads my goal was to simply let town do what they want for a while and if we don't end up flipping scum to leave the dance with 9 and an explanation why later.

Spicy. Will you be keeping us in suspense as to why? I trust you enough at the moment to be fine with that if so.

[Lady 4]

If we get to 5 pairs (post NK) and there are no scum flipped. I still suicide.

I feel that we should stop talking about this and never should have started.

[Lady 4]

Ok so real talk, I am not super keen on putting particularly huge stock in reads pre-dance.

I think it's important for surface level though to have some control over pairings.

I'm glad someone else is on this page.

[Lady 4]

Yo L4.

Time for a pop quiz about yourself.

It's Lylo, the other two have cross voted, do you Lynch your scum read or your town read?
On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do like to tunnel on reads you believe in?
Do you actually like salad?
How much do you like 10 pin bowling as a goofy date idea?

We're going full Valentine's survey in here.

If the guy who just died also suspected my scumread, my scumread. Otherwise, I reread the game and have an existential crisis that could easily end either way.

3? When I think I've well and truly caught someone with a very high degree of confidence, I have powerlynching them in me, but it's quite rare for me to reach that confidence level. Probably happened fewer than 5 times ever. I'm generally into reassessing.

No, but I don't hate it as passionately as I used to.

I don't even think it's a goofy idea. If your date doesn't mind a workout, go for it.

[Lady 4]

You missed an opportunity to make that a four word post.

[Lady 4]

L5's opinion of G5 is wildly unwarranted, yes.

[Lady 4]

And it’s the way Gent 5 and Lady 2’s Playstyle goes together.

I might regret asking, but could you explain what makes you think they fit together well? I don't get it. Lady 2 is articulate and uses a lot of words while G5 is barely even here.

[Lady 4]

Hey L4, I am asking you if L9 rejects. Is that cool?

Yeah.

[Lady 4]

I don't understand why you're townreading L4. I think that they're scum more of the time than they're town, and I'm scared that if I'm right and you already don't see it you won't see it later in the game.

Baby, I thought we got past this. You're welcome to dance with me as a vehicle to sort me, if you're feeling brave enough!

[Lady 4]

But I am possibly the best person to have with scum simply because I don't get to end game, in ANY circumstance, because even with no scum lynches and a NK off me, we still have a misslynch available.

I mean.

If you are town and paired with town and scum went for, for example, a G6/L9 pairing first, we would want to bring you to endgame.

I don't think there's any sort of rule that says you may not go to endgame.

My personal rule.

Unless this is a giant wifom, you're giving scum a free road map here to not need to shoot you.

[Lady 4]

Ok fuck it.

Without stating reasons at this time, I think either L8 or L5 shouldnt be dancing. I may sheep L9 until I get bored. Im thinking the setup is 2L/1G right now, but guessing the scumteam at this time would be detrimental until we get pairings. I Already stated my opinion on who should get left out.

With ICs permission I will be moving towards asking someone to dance.

I hope yall are ready, Im taking the reigns of the most active gentleman in the game; ladies I hope you can handle me.

Actually im retracting my previous statement, because L1 and L6 havent posted much.

Lets starts some controversy.

Lady 5, care to dance with me?

Misty will be my biggest regret though

You're probably baiting this question, but huh?

[Lady 4]

I have a soft spot, who knew.

I thought I made it clear in those two posts imo

I'm more confused mow than I was previously.

[Lady 4]

Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?

Wait, why is outing townreads a bad idea? I'm of the opinion that we should get a strong towncore--of course, this does depend on our ability to keep scum out. I don't really see the advantage of hiding them?


Also, L9, why did you accept so early?

Bro do me a favor and go into more than surface detail on anything besides mechanics.

[Lady 4]

I am baffled as to why Lady 3 is of no concern to anyone.

Sad to lose previous G2. He was a sweet boy.

[Lady 4]

I'm currently fine with any of 1, 3, 5, 7 sitting out.

If this were a Sadie Hawkins dance, I'd have asked G6 out a while ago. The rest just don't impress.

[Lady 4]

What's wrong with lady 3 and lady 7?

What's right with 3? For real, please tell me why everyone likes her, I don't get it.

7 has had a few posts that made me think she might be town, but a lot more neutral unmemorable ones. I don't trust her.

[Lady 4]

I'm currently fine with any of 1, 3, 5, 7 sitting out.

If this were a Sadie Hawkins dance, I'd have asked G6 out a while ago. The rest just don't impress.

Odd, why are you saying I should dance?

Why can't you find a good man here? I think G5 is definitely worth linking to.

I haven't formed a strong opinion of you yet, but as you probably already have more posts than L1, it seems like you will at least try.

[Lady 4]

As for why few men appeal to me,

1 focuses on strange things, I don't think I understand him.
3 is a suspect of mine.
4 was recently replaced and hasn't done much besides roleplay.
5 might not be awful, but I don't think he's interested in me and I don't get what he's doing recently.
7 is too mechanically focused. I cannot read him.
8 is not even here.

[Lady 4]

What's wrong with lady 3 and lady 7?

What's right with 3? For real, please tell me why everyone likes her, I don't get it.

7 has had a few posts that made me think she might be town, but a lot more neutral unmemorable ones. I don't trust her.

Hmm, I remember liking Misty's early posts, and she had more content than a lot of people at the time

If the only posts from 7 are neutral or towny, shouldn't you want them to get a dance partner? It doesn't sound like you scumread her

I just don't get it. It's like everyone else is reading different, secret L3 posts. They don't do anything for me.

My experience tells me that players with a large volume of posts that read neutral to me often turn out to be scum. The same applies to G3. In the absence of many players who feel outright scummy, this is something I'm turning to.

I haven't formed a strong opinion of you yet, but as you probably already have more posts than L1, it seems like you will at least try.

Hold on, are you leaving people out based on whether they will try, or whether you think they will flip scum? You're changing your method between posts here[/quote]

Someone who's trying is easier to read. I have no illusions that I'm, for example, going to be able to get my sick pocket L7 concerns lynched today. Not even sure I want to, as more time might help. If L1 is going to continue to be useless, that's a low risk predance kill.

[Lady 4]

Fixing:

What's wrong with lady 3 and lady 7?

What's right with 3? For real, please tell me why everyone likes her, I don't get it.

7 has had a few posts that made me think she might be town, but a lot more neutral unmemorable ones. I don't trust her.

Hmm, I remember liking Misty's early posts, and she had more content than a lot of people at the time

If the only posts from 7 are neutral or towny, shouldn't you want them to get a dance partner? It doesn't sound like you scumread her

I just don't get it. It's like everyone else is reading different, secret L3 posts. They don't do anything for me.

My experience tells me that players with a large volume of posts that read neutral to me often turn out to be scum. The same applies to G3. In the absence of many players who feel outright scummy, this is something I'm turning to.

I haven't formed a strong opinion of you yet, but as you probably already have more posts than L1, it seems like you will at least try.

Hold on, are you leaving people out based on whether they will try, or whether you think they will flip scum? You're changing your method between posts here

Someone who's trying is easier to read. I have no illusions that I'm, for example, going to be able to get my sick pocket L7 concerns lynched today. Not even sure I want to, as more time might help. If L1 is going to continue to be useless, that's a low risk predance kill.

[Lady 4]

I am baffled as to why Lady 3 is of no concern to anyone.

Sad to lose previous G2. He was a sweet boy.

This is an interesting thing to say when you haven't even seen the new and improved #2. I am going to have to take a special look back at this slots interaction with you, well more specifically your interaction with it. I could see scum being upset that someone they had pocketed was replaced and all their hard work is now flushed down the proverbial toilet.

I assure you, I am an improvement over anyone who held this slot, or will, but don't you worry your pretty little nose about that, I'm going to outlast you all.

I just liked the dude, lol. This post alone tells me you're not an improvement and we probably aren't going to get along.

[Lady 4]

L5's opinion of G5 is wildly unwarranted, yes.

Ah quit the shade lady.
I’m just finding the best duo’s to create a town tower.
I ain’t lock towning the damn guy.
If anything you should be questioning my Gentleman 3 Read.

You have not offered any reasons for what makes G5 town to you, and 100% of his decent content came after you posted that he would be a "town powerhouse" when he'd been doing nothing. It does not make sense, and you are still deflecting.

[Lady 4]

Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?

Wait, why is outing townreads a bad idea? I'm of the opinion that we should get a strong towncore--of course, this does depend on our ability to keep scum out. I don't really see the advantage of hiding them?

Again, I think its better not to out town reads until we dance, as we have to factor the pairs. We can only scumhunt in ladies right now and theres the possibility that all 8 of them could be town.

All we can do is pick a lady to dance with, for whatever reason you want, and hope the person you scumread gets left out. In my case, Im hoping the lady getting kicked out is L8,L6, or L1. Im willing to keep L5 close. Maybe its her bubbly personality ^_^

I have a soft spot, who knew.

I thought I made it clear in those two posts imo

I'm more confused mow than I was previously.

Im scumreading L8. L1 and 6 are also good options based on activity.

Everyone else can live to see the dance. I explained why im willing to keep L5 above, but to be more specific, I think theres a possibility im reading her wrong at this time and am willing to spend time to get a better read on her.

Eh, I'm not really feeling the same way for L5--although to me it feels like both of you aren't really being explainy enough. L6 and L1 have been fairly inactive, but I'd rather L5 than them. I'm not scumreading L8 at all. I think a few of her posts have shown she's trying to look through people.

And regarding townreads, I disagree, we should be trying to make T/T pairs--I'd argue that this is even more important than partnering with someone you think would mesh well, after what happened to G2. It's likely enough that quite a few people won't have the same player they partnered with by the end of the game.

Who should I be dancing with? :V

I'm of the opinion that it should be L7.

I am baffled as to why Lady 3 is of no concern to anyone.

Sad to lose previous G2. He was a sweet boy.

I'm kind of worried about L3 myself. Although part of it stems from her avatar, as well as my scumread on L5. But aside from that, I don't really feel like she's done anything? Like less than me anything. And I don't do much.


Anyways, stuff about me. I feel like my stronger lady townreads (L7, sort of L4) are too towny for me to pair with, and right now I kind of want L8. I've changed my mind on L1 after G2 wound up getting replaced out.

How is it possible that every one of your posts has the format "mechanics talk, followed by unexplained reads"? And you ignored my post to you only to continue this habit.

It defies probability.

[Lady 4]

Why THE FUCK did I read 9 ladies and 8 gentlemen last night? Lol

That means we have to atleast scumhunt in gentlemen, and oh boy thats going to be interesting.

What?

Don't do drugs, kids.

[Lady 4]

If there's an S-S pair in the process of happening here it is G5-L5. Neither of them is making any sense on the subject.

[Lady 4]

Why do people honestly think scum would ever pair up with scum?

Other than being a stupidly ballsy gambit, its against scum wincon, no?

It isn't. They don't have to play 4p lylo if they get to the end together.

I retract my earlier wooden feel on g7.

He’s cool.

G7 - why don’t you want to partner with someone too towny?

I don't feel like I'm too town read and what we need to win is to create as many strong T/T pairs as possible. If I'm scumread, it will potentially get someone who's well townread to die from being lynched or them leaving. I still want to pair with someone I consider town, to potentially help in solving, bit nit someone whow iso a consensus TR unless I am as well.

Why do people honestly think scum would ever pair up with scum?

Other than being a stupidly ballsy gambit, its against scum wincon, no?

If they're both town read, I think it's reasonable. But at that point we're already in trouble.

Am I a joke to you?

sick pocket L7 concerns

You seem like you’re dwelling. Way more often than not, the people who have these sick concerns in the early game get over it by the end of day one. Can’t promise that will happen here, but your concerns are misplaced.

I recognize this is a possibility.

[Lady 4]

I do not think you have made a single alignment indicative post.

I do not have any particular partner in mind for him, nor do I have much of a read on him. Maybe slightly town. I'm not very focused on what partners happen other than my own, but I am observing *how* the partnerships happen with interest.

[Lady 4]

I'll just wait for you to catch up and see if you still feel your questions are necessary before I start responding to old news.

[Lady 4]

I already answered that question in 127. Was my answer not satisfactory?

[Lady 4]

I already answered that question in 127. Was my answer not satisfactory?

No. Not only because 21 and 24 were ones that felt especially unnatural from the fifth lady, but also because later in the game you imply she's one of your only strong town reads (post 302) after she hasn't posted significantly for several pages. In fact, I don't really see many posts coming from lady five after your quoted explanation that really explain having a strong town read on her at that point, which is why I'm asking for more explanation.

I don't really have more. I can say gut in 100+ words if that helps. And I've mellowed out severely on that read since.

[Lady 4]

Please do not make assumptions about what is surely a random setup.

I just liked the dude, lol. This post alone tells me you're not an improvement and we probably aren't going to get along.

Forgive me for not giving a shit. I'm not into popsicle chicks anyways, have fun standing on the sidelines watching us cool kids dance.

I don't think I've done anything to merit this attitude.

[Lady 4]

Please do not make me hate this game.

[Lady 4]

Pros of dating me:
Always willing to consider other perspectives
Funny
Town and able to show it
Trying my best

Cons of dating me:
So-so at scumhunting
Wishy-washy
High variance in play quality between games
Two left feet

[Lady 4]

Yawn.

You don't need to reply if you don't have anything worth saying.

[Lady 4]

Anyways,

unless Lady 1 got replaced ~I think when that slot starts posting its going to rise in priority and I want to pinch the pools to force bad pairings for scum?

Can you elaborate on this magical sick pocket read on the person with like 2 posts?

I guess it matches nicely with everyone else's magical sick townreads on you.

[Lady 4]

I would not use the word charisma to describe Lady 1.

[Lady 4]

I would just love it if we could not do alt guesses at all. Meta is a shifty beast in the first place, and vastly worse here. Also, for the spirit of the game.

[Lady 4]

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

... I want to leave this out. [Gordon Ramsay impression] I just don't get it.

I am distraught now about the possible pairings I'm looking down the barrel of. G1 might be my best option now.

[Lady 4]

I am townreading L2.
L8 hasn't made much of an impression on me. I may need to iso her.

[Lady 4]

Whats your favorite kind of salad?

Caesar.

[Lady 4]

Doesn’t make sense though, because couldnt i just ask everyone then at the same time?

Uhhh yes? You can do that.

[Lady 4]

L4, does this align with your thoughts?

I can read it that way. I'm not sure if her posting it in the thread instead is a plus or a minus, though. I'm also having some major ??? at the idea of G3 being 100% town. I'd feel this way about anyone being labeled 100% town, but especially him.

[Lady 4]

L5, could you please explain any of your reads at all?

[Lady 4]

Interesting.

I am leaning towards taking that. You've towned a little and I dislike most of my options.

I want to think about it for a little while first though.

[Lady 4]

But in that case couldnt a gentleman ask all the ladies in one post?

Seems detrimental

You could. It's just there's no reason to unless you don't care who accepts.

[Lady 4]

If that's a setup for a future push it's the shittiest, bluntest one I've ever seen.

*shrug* Figures that the slots I suggest have wierd posts call me arrogant and use general labels such as "scumposting" rather than reply to my observations or request clarification (like gentleman 5 does). This is particularly useful since you only wanted to use a widely accepted dance pairing.

Scumposting

[Lady 4]

If that's a setup for a future push it's the shittiest, bluntest one I've ever seen.

*shrug* Figures that the slots I suggest have wierd posts call me arrogant and use general labels such as "scumposting" rather than reply to my observations or request clarification (like gentleman 5 does). This is particularly useful since you only wanted to use a widely accepted dance pairing.

Scumposting

AtE yes. Aggressive yes. Buddying yes

Scumposting? Im not seeing it, my herbivore friend.

I partly posted that because I thought the attitude might be annoyed at being called out for the wrong reasons, but mostly I posted it to be snarky.

[Lady 4]

I'm coming around on L7.

G6 possibly changing his mind is most of the reason I havent accepted my offer.

[Lady 4]

I'm coming around on L7.

G6 possibly changing his mind is most of the reason I havent accepted my offer.

Hmmmmm?

Something on your mind?

[Lady 4]

I reread Lady 8. A few brownie points, but I'm not crazy about her or anything.

[Lady 4]

G1, G7, and G8 are not active gentlemen. L1 isnt really here either.

G2 - L9
G3 ???
G4 - L3
G5 - L4/L5
G6 - L8/L7?

Assuming I get my salad on and G6 would change to L7, I would personally want to see G3 take L2

That leaves the inactive Gs with L1, L5, and L6 and L8

(If G6 takes L8, then G3 should take L7 and then it would be L1,2,5,6.)

Can we agree or work on this format for now?

As I'm not feeling great about G3, I'd rather see L2 go with G1 or G7.

I think G6 should probably just take L7 and I then go with you.

[Lady 4]

Screw it, I don't want L5 to have the opportunity to snipe me.

Dance with Gentleman 5

[Lady 4]

This is some malarkey.

Spoiler: Lady 4 intro

Hello. I wish we had more memorable names.

We could come up with memorable nicknames based on avatars. That might be easier than numbering everyone.

That would help me a lot. Can we do this?

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

Let's let the lady speak without supplying her with answers.

The first few posts by Lady 4 are unreadable nonsense designed to bog us down in busiwork. She takes an awkward defending angle on Lady 5 too, when most felt the smiles were fake.

Asking for nicknames is nonsense? Busywork? These claims are not even supported by the posts you quoted. Also this is ancient history and everyone scumread me early so this isnt exactly revolutionary.

Who cares what "most felt?" Is anyone who goes against the consensus scum now?

Then, we look at the substance of her posts later today.

Spoiler: Recent Lady 4

I reread Lady 8. A few brownie points, but I'm not crazy about her or anything.

I'm coming around on L7.

G6 possibly changing his mind is most of the reason I havent accepted my offer.

If that's a setup for a future push it's the shittiest, bluntest one I've ever seen.

*shrug* Figures that the slots I suggest have wierd posts call me arrogant and use general labels such as "scumposting" rather than reply to my observations or request clarification (like gentleman 5 does). This is particularly useful since you only wanted to use a widely accepted dance pairing.

Scumposting

AtE yes. Aggressive yes. Buddying yes

Scumposting? Im not seeing it, my herbivore friend.

I partly posted that because I thought the attitude might be annoyed at being called out for the wrong reasons, but mostly I posted it to be snarky.

Most of Lady 4's posting is focused on shading players, rather than sorting them. Town look to narrow their focus to find scum. She's taking a buckshot to townreads, particularly unpaired women.

This suggests my pool might not be 100% correct though. Yet G4 and L4 may not be partners. I'm still sorting that.

Why did you even quote these? Two of the three posts you quoted are me expressing relatively favorable reads on ladies and the other is me snarling at you for incorrectly scumreading me. The assertions you're making are not backed up by the posts you e chosen to quote. And you e conveniently skipped the mid game where I got into the swing of things and started town posting. What I'm doing is absolutely sorting. This whole post is unparalleled tripe.

[Lady 4]

L2 is town and readable, G3. You just don't have eyes or are scum.

[Lady 4]

And because my curiosity gets the better of me, I must ask, Lady 4, how do you feel about Lady 7 right now?

I'm thinking she is likely town. Also, I think shes only made one rude post in this game and I dont understand why she keeps apologizing for playing mafia.

I have read the last few pages but I didn't have much to say about them except that I share the concerns about Lady 8 but not so much the specific criticisms. I'm also thinking Lady 3 might be town for the bizarre series of posts that seem to me like they were clearly doomed not to accomplish anything.

[Lady 4]

Also, L4's kind of suspicious of me

It's wearing off, if that helps.

At least G3 is sticking to his guns, even though they are weird and bad guns. The exercise in running in circles is not really changing my overall concern about him.

[Lady 4]

Talk more about the specifics on Lady 8? I might have missed the points you discuss here, and I'm a bit out of the loop on this read.

I reread her recently and I mostly just do not see why she has gotten so many townreads. Most of her posts are whatever.

[Lady 4]

That is to say I would like to hear much more from Gentleman 8, and I, too, will be severely disappointed if this is all he has to offer today.

What, exactly, would you like me to offer? I'm not reading 60 pages of nonsense pregame.

This game is actually remarkably on topic and content heavy. They're worth reading, and I dont say that lightly.

G7/L2 seems like a natural fit to me.

[Lady 4]

So you don't know why anyone scumreads you but you know there's "a lot of shade on you?"

Are you familiar with the idea that mafia requires a majority to lynch and sometimes lynchees are scum? It seems like you think anyone widely suspected is always town.

In conclusion, zzzz this slot.

[Lady 4]

So you don't know why anyone scumreads you but you know there's "a lot of shade on you?"

Are you familiar with the idea that mafia requires a majority to lynch and sometimes lynchees are scum? It seems like you think anyone widely suspected is always town.

In conclusion, zzzz this slot.

Can we agree it needs to go?

I think so, yes.

[Lady 4]

So you don't know why anyone scumreads you but you know there's "a lot of shade on you?"

Are you familiar with the idea that mafia requires a majority to lynch and sometimes lynchees are scum? It seems like you think anyone widely suspected is always town.

In conclusion, zzzz this slot.

I’m just saying is my shade coming from the lack of content (as I haven’t been able to be active for quite awhile) or maybe it’s the small little things like the emoji’s I did.
What exactly makes you all so certain to put me as a scum read?

Distinctly neither of those, and I don't care for you trying to hand wave it as having to do with emojis.

[Lady 4]

Speaking just for myself I've repeatedly criticized your refusal to explain reads and not making sense with several locktowns you arbitrarily picked out of the air, and you've not responded to any of it.

[Lady 4]

Lady 4 has been trying to shade me since the beginning

I literally came out the gate of this game defending you.

[Lady 4]

Lady 4 has been trying to shade me since the beginning

I literally came out the gate of this game defending you.

Wait really? Post it?

75

[Lady 4]

I’m playing bad RN TBH.
I think I’ll decide my fate with Wheel Decide.

If you know you're playing poorly, how can you fault and suspect everyone who agrees that you're playing poorly?

[Lady 4]

Anyone else think theres confirmed scum in L8/L5? I do

I don't believe in confirmed scum!

[Lady 4]

@Anyone not Lady 5, how difficult is this sort of post to make as scum?

Spoiler:

This would be the strongest partner Choices:
Me and Gentleman 3
Gentleman 5 and Lady 2
Gentleman 1 and Lady 8

I feel like this would be a strong team.
L2 and G5 working together and Gent 1 and Lady 8 working together would create a very strong town force.

I think this comes from a player who is crazypants, and it's hard to know what crazypants players would and would not do as scum.

[Lady 4]

My guess on you being able to demolish this town if scum comes from your entrance then case/read on l4. Like your entrance was you getting some heat and being called reactive and defended yourself, then you drop in with a case on l4, which looks gooood.

Is no one else ever going to read that case closely enough to notice it's a horrible crock of shit and literally nonfactual? I have a hard time believing it's real it's so terrible.

[Lady 4]

We continue to play fast and loose with site rules.

[Lady 4]

Talking about replacing out is against the spirit at best. Do it or don't, we don't need to hear about it. If you want to do it, you tell the mod you're leaving and you don't get a say in who replaces you.

[Lady 4]

Gentlemen pls

Just pick somebody for the love of god

[Lady 4]

Gentlemen pls

Just pick somebody for the love of god

^
My guess is you just want the dance phase to start.
Is that correct?

Yeah I'm sick of not being able to vote

[Lady 4]

What is this fresh hell

[Lady 4]

L4, if I leave the dance (proof that I'm town) can you leave the dance after?

Dude. Take a chill pill. You're town. I'm town. You think L8 is town. I kinda think G5 is town. Im open to being convinced, but I'm most likely going to make you lynch us (or wait until second dance) because I feel that reckless leaving by town is how you give scum free wins in this setup. I don't know if theres any situation where I would leave before second dance in this setup as i believe it's suboptimal. Even if i knew my partner were scum, it's better to get more info from him.

[Lady 4]

I wish you had brought up these concerns more thoroughly before I paired. And I also wish you had asked me put instead of sticking to your L8 townread that I still dont understand.

[Lady 4]

I’ll give Town Credit to you as that’s a more safer path.
@L4
If you had to choose who’s scum out of L1 and L6 who would it be?

L1, though I'm 10 pages behind.

I don't like L6, but that doesn't make her scum.

[Lady 4]

I would really like it if we could end the predance phase and then start playing. There should not be 14 more pages for me to read tonight.

[Lady 4]

“Ok I got to make sure Lady 5 doesn’t make it to the dance or I could be fucked”

Lollercopters.

[Lady 4]

I want to leave L5 out so I don't have to read her ridiculous posts anymore.

[Lady 4]

I am furthermore concerned the distraction of G6 vs g5 is going to sidetrack us and allow slots like g8 to randomly endgame without doing anything. Especially if we all selfdestructed immediately. Even if you are right and g5 is scum, that really leaves town without a rudder and I do not have faith they could pull the rest out.

[Lady 4]

L4: if you plan on suiciding, better make sure they go first.

[Lady 4]

Like he's literally shading his CLAIMED TOWNREADS read progression on him to discredit it. Despite the fact that it's really clear that I had doubts on him the whole game.

This really should be a slam dunk with everyone agreeing he's scum right now.

I'm not great at following threads. I'd be at least vaguely interested in having this laid out for me.

Granted I cant promise I'll leave so maybe your energy is better spent on others.

[Lady 4]

L6 is town, so no.

You say that.
But you call me scum and I know I’m Town.
So your say doesn’t mean anything.

My point is. RN we have L1, L6, Me and L2 left and one needs to be left out.

L6 and L1 can never be alive as they would Thunderdome each other.
Same with Gent 5 and Gent 6 but I feel like those 2 have a higher chance of settling it out.
L6 also is trying to push the pair that should be obviously town but scum Reads (G4 and L3)

I feel as if.
We listen to G2 and G4/L3 and G3.
Those should be our leaders as they are most probably town.

Also I just want to add that I’d rather not be gone Pre Dance because I’ll end up wanting to really badly type in thread when I’m dead because I can point out things Scum say that is scummy and mention it.

You guys honestly don’t know how many games I played where there were things Town could have pointed out but didn’t and it triggered me because if I was alive I would have mentioned it and probably pushed on it.

Next time you want to post something like this just don't instead

There is nothing here we didnt all already know you think

You are just spamming at this point

[Lady 4]

I got to the end of 85 and I am done for the night

You should all post less

I'm feeling sad that I may not get to play much of this game if this conflict continues, it's the most fun game I've been in in quite a while

[Lady 4]

I think Lady 6's real account has already been made ridiculously obvious by now.

Even I think I have this one

[Lady 4]

I figured out who Lady 5 is and I want to die.

[Lady 4]

G5-L4 should suicide and then G6 can suicide our pair.

kthx.

You agree that this person you think is Paragon level is worth throwing away for one scum at most?

[Lady 4]

No, I just consider myself really obv-town.

That does not make any sense.

[Lady 4]

G5-L4 should suicide and then G6 can suicide our pair.

kthx.

You agree that this person you think is Paragon level is worth throwing away for one scum at most?

A Paragon trade for deep wolf is usually a good trade. And G6 can just give his reads for everyone to eventually ignore them.

Hiw about instead we keep him and have him catch G5's supposed buddies? I will feel a lot less terrible about leaving if we're ahead.

[Lady 4]

G5-L4 should suicide and then G6 can suicide our pair.

kthx.

You agree that this person you think is Paragon level is worth throwing away for one scum at most?

A Paragon trade for deep wolf is usually a good trade. And G6 can just give his reads for everyone to eventually ignore them.

Hiw about instead we keep him and have him catch G5's supposed buddies? I will feel a lot less terrible about leaving if we're ahead.

Implying people are going to listen to G6 after the last 10ish pages I've read and not totally ignore his reads.

hahahaha

You are being absurd now. We do nothing but listen to G6. I don't know if you're just supremely tilted for some reason or what but can you stop.

[Lady 4]

You are being absurd now. We do nothing but listen to G6. I don't know if you're just supremely tilted for some reason or what but can you stop.

So can you listen to him when he calls G5 scum then?

I'm not ignoring him. I am not going to suicide just because he tells me to, either.

[Lady 4]

G5-L4 should suicide and then G6 can suicide our pair.

kthx.

Can we do this? G5 is literally death tunneling me. G6 and I think G5 is scum.

I literally don't see why people oppose this. G6 can just drop off his reads before we die.

Because of how fucking stupid it is.

[Lady 4]

Like. How about just get a lynch through like a normal person and continue to play instead of throwing your life away to prove you're town when everyone already thinks you're town because you've decided no one will listen to you for ??? Reasons. I would think a paragon tier player would be less emotional.

[Lady 4]

Doesn't make sense for town her to want to die with the things she said

Does it make sense for scum her to pretend to want to die?

It could. She could be hoping I would respond in exactly the way un going to (insisting that G6 not suicide under any circumstances) and that his cooler head will prevail. And if not, getting me and G6 out of the game is not a terrible trade for her.

[Lady 4]

Guys it's not about actually wanting to die, it's about looking town by asking to die because scum doesn't suicide

It doesn't look town though. It's clearly an empty threat.

Because her attempt to look town has failed, she's... town? Uhhh come again?

[Lady 4]

@L1
L2 is one of my stronger townreads. Between you and L5, I think L5 is more likely to be town, but I also think her posts are actively detrimental to the game, so I'm kind of fine either way.

[Lady 4]

This game is depressing

I have no idea how people like Lady 4 have said they are enjoying this game.

It was fun 40 pages ago, at least. It's getting bloated now. But it's at least not been outright toxic like most large themes are these days.

[Lady 4]

Am I the only person who thinks G5 is scum

Because if so I'll just leave and wash my hands of the game

I just want to deal with it during the dance. I don't know if he is or not.

[Lady 4]

I'll just leave at start of dance. Still think G5 is scum. L8 flipping scum makes me think that even more so.

I'm going to do other things, later.

Please don't throw.

[Lady 4]

G1 please save us from this garbage

[Lady 4]

As soon as G5 stops voting her, he becomes town.
As soon as G8's survival is pinned to hers, he becomes town as well.

I'm sick of L5's posting to be honest and I really wish they died.

I would like to believe they're scum because if they're town then wow.

So your saying I play bad as town?
I disagree.
I think people just don’t see me as convincing and I’ve also been inactive so that may also be the case.
What makes you dislike my ISO?

You are not inactive. You are way too active.

Please shut the fuck up.

[Lady 4]

Pre leaving dance when it starts.

What is this going to accomplish? You're acting like a child taking your ball and going home because everyone *might* not do what you want exactly when you want it.

[Lady 4]

Fucking present a case and play mafia.

[Lady 4]

It's not taking my ball and going home, it's going home and leaving everyone else their ball if I no longer play a game which is perfectly reasonable and you're one of the slots who thinks that L8 is scum over your partner so I'm not sure why you'd be complaining about it?

If you dont want to play, replace out.

If you do, convince people instead of bitching about it and giving up before you even try.

We are not the hopeless idiots you have convinced yourself we are.

I am not sure L8 is scum or that my partner is town.

[Lady 4]

Could you point me at what you're calling a case again? I'll engage with it if it will get you to not suicide. I honestly only remember the broad strokes of "shooting down townreads/having too many scumreads."

Explain it like I'm 5 if you have to. My skull is pretty thick.

I still am going to make you lynch me, but hey.

[Lady 4]

I wish I were any other slot in this game so I could give you the engagement you want in a totally sincere way without playing against my wincon.

[Lady 4]

I dont actually think gentleman 8 is scum I just think hes bad

But I am planning to lynch him anyways

[Lady 4]

We need to do the opposite of creating conversation

[Lady 4]

G6 is Online.
@G6 are you talking in Mafia Chat?

This slot is just openwolfing at this point

[Lady 4]

G6 is Online.
@G6 are you talking in Mafia Chat?

This slot is just openwolfing at this point

?
Oh I usually just say that to anyone who I see online but not doing anything in the main thread.
And the fact this account is only used for this thread is questionable as well as the only other possible thread is mafia chat. This also is angleshooting, so I shouldn’t do it.
I’m not entirely sure how you view me as open wolfing.
Care to explain?

It has been explained to you repeatedly that shitting up the thread with completely worthless posts like that one is actively hurting the town and you are still doing it

I can only assume you are trying to induce as much apathy as you can before we can finally remove you

[Lady 4]

VOTE: Lady 5

[Lady 4]

everyone who is willing to vote that pairing pls say yea or nay

if there's no support i'll just leave now and save the trouble so don't bother voting lady 5 or whoever

I'm done feeling bad about this. You are actually 2 years old.

[Lady 4]

I dont give 2 shits if G5 is scum right now. This behavior is childish.

[Lady 4]

Also if Mafia doesn’t NK G2 then L9 is prob Mafia.
Another reason that I should be here to remind you of this so you don’t lose to a possible L9!Scum.

why do you make this post

Because she is a random word generator.

[Lady 4]

What made you think L1-L6 thunderdome was going to be a bigger issue than G5-G6 thunderdome?

Dont worry L5, I'll field this one.

Because scum town banana miss lynch Gentleman 8. Lady 2 might be scum because she said something negative about me but I'm going to forget all about this read by next page. Celery.

How'd I do?

[Lady 4]

I'm having a really terrible day today but at least I made myself laugh

[Lady 4]

No, jokes are funny. Your posts are disturbing.

[Lady 4]

No, jokes are funny. Your posts are disturbing.

I don’t always Joke around.
When I’m trying to be serious and solve why are you all treating it as a joke?

Because laughing is preferable to crying.

[Lady 4]

@G6
If you ever decide you are absolutely leaving, please say so and allow me to post before you go.

[Lady 4]

No, jokes are funny. Your posts are disturbing.

I don’t always Joke around.
When I’m trying to be serious and solve why are you all treating it as a joke?

Because laughing is preferable to crying.

Why can’t you take me seriously?

What is the sound of one hand clapping? If two bears shit in the woods, does the tree that falls on them make a sound? If Alice is one foot taller than Bob and Bob is perpendicular to Carol, why won't Dave go out with me?

[Lady 4]

i will leave if anyone who isn't you guys gets to l-2

Please give me a chance to post before you do that

[Lady 4]

Is there really no way I can possibly talk you into waiting two God damn seconds and dealing with this later

[Lady 4]

You know you're being anti town here. Right? Surely you know that.

[Lady 4]

in terms of chronological time or in terms of game time

I dont understand why this cant be resolved after intermission. Catch his buddies. Let me play the game.

[Lady 4]

Not that I currently want to play this awful game.

Are you comfortable with letting crap slots slide by without you to catch them?

[Lady 4]

Will you promise me unequivocally that you will not leave the dance if I kill myself?

[Lady 4]

Even if G5 flips town?

[Lady 4]

Nobody is killing themselves.

I wish you were right about that, but our town leader is a child. And he's successfully been so much of a child that I am considering letting him have his stupid, anti town way.

[Lady 4]

Mod can you please prod lady 9

[Lady 4]

I'm going to bed and I hate all of you.

[Lady 4]

Does anyone in this game actually believe this is something that town!G5 says to someone that they're scumreading? really? REALLY?

No.

VOTE: Lady 4

[Lady 4]

Fine.

UNVOTE:

[Lady 4]

We can give reads but no one listens to dead townies so I'm not sure I see a point in putting more effort into this stupid game.

[Lady 4]

If there are deep wolves in this game, my picks are G3 and G4.

[Lady 4]

Those two and G8L5 are honestly my top picks for scum in general.

[Lady 4]

If G8 is scum and all of his options were town, his selection of L5 is still correct. All him picking L5 proves if he's scum is that his buddies wanted them to pick her so she could continue to do L5 things.

[Lady 4]

[Lady 4]

if i leave the dance i won't have to read lady 5's posts anymore

[Lady 4]

oh, who am i kidding, i'm not reading them now

[Lady 4]

Hard to say. Initially yes I preferred G5/L4 first somewhat. Mostly to keep G6 off the ledge, honestly. Now I'm less certain about a preference.

Lynch us first. G5 is probably scum but more importantly, having time to discuss his flip before intermission is more valuable.

[Lady 4]

L3 the sooner you stop expecting these people to be reasonable the sooner you can stop being disappointed.

[Lady 4]

L4 can you give me some insight on your PT?

I informed G5 that I am losing it and probably wont be very useful. He started going over reads with me. I told him I am pretty much giving up and he should post here instead. The list he made has not been posted here.