Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Cephrir]

Sup.

VOTE: The Fonz

[Cephrir]

I wonder if theres a specific reason for the setup to require a governor shot.

Aside from that, if it still ends the day it's garbage.

[Cephrir]

The dame who paraded into my office was as hysterical as they come. But she was obviously wealthy, so I heard out her ravings about a cult. I told her I'd take the job. But little did I know, all the persons of interest in the new case would be lunatics themselves. Not one of these clowns is making a lick of sense so far.

I headed down to the dumpy bar nearby for a drink instead. Maybe the barkeep could offer me some clues. Maybe the liquor could ease my feeling that something was very wrong here.

[Cephrir]

It's the second day of my investigation, and I've learned more than I ever wanted to know. A lesser detective's mind would be shattered by the eldritch knowledge that has permeated my investigation of this cult, the "Ascension."

But one thing I do know: this power they seek is deadly in evil hands and could never be used for good.

We must destroy it.

VOTE: No One

[Cephrir]

The infernal machine seemed determined to rig the vote. Curious, I tried pulling the handle again.

VOTE: No Governor

[Cephrir]

After digging through the files in the back room of a crumbling library, my sleuthing has brought me to the conclusion that this "Menalque" character most likely lacks a hidden agenda. He might even be a lead, and the only one I have so far at that.

[Cephrir]

I mean yes there is a risk in gov in that one could save a mafia/cult lynch or we could even end up giving it to mafia or a cult recruit so they could save a team member/WIFOM us but generally speaking I think its a pro-town power and I'd kinda expect for other town to see the potential town benefit in it and want to keep it within the town. Thus I think there are going to be a ton of scum on the "no gov" wagon. For mafia, I could see them

NOT

wanting it b/c A.) they need as many lynches as they can get and gov doesn't help them with that. B.) they don't want to risk creating a link by saving thier own buddy or face questions/risk a lynch by getting it and not using it.

I especially do not like Icon's framing of gov=

EXTRA

recruit. They recruit each night regardless of lynch or no lynch. (as long as the CL is alive) This cult shamming seems especially scummy to me.


good d2 lynches are
bingle
gamma
icon
wopper

It was no wonder this case hadn't been solved yet. The last guy they had on it couldn't sleuth his way out of a paper bag.

[Cephrir]

I cradle my head in one hand. The witnesses I'd interviewed tonight were worse than useless. Each only seemed interested in hysterically reporting their ludicrous "election" activities to me. Some of them must have information about the crime, but it's impossible to tell who among all their blathering. I take a drag from my cigar, standing outside the apartment of a Mr. Vorkuta, an especially useless blubbering person of interest. I can't truly start my investigation until the evil power is destroyed... for now, I need a drink.

[Cephrir]

... Okay cool.

That probably means there are other vote-manipulation abilities in existence. Which means we definitely want a governor shot to be able to react to that.

VOTE: Menalque

[Cephrir]

I can’t be recruited by cults either.

I was gonna keep that hidden, but that’s another reason I started to campaign for Governor.

Lately, every case is harder because of a plague of would-be heroes blurting out their information to anyone who will listen. It's easier to do detective work when the people of interest don't go to the press with everything they know and get public opinion involved. The public are damn fools. But I didn't get into this line of work because it was easy.

[Cephrir]

I've solved my share of cases from bars and nightclubs with nothing but my wits and a stream of whiskey. But this much noise was harder. It's tough to get proper detective work done when it's so loud you can't even hear yourself think.

[Cephrir]

election count 1.5

No Governor (13) -

Bingle, xofelf, davesaz, Gamma Emerald, InsideJob711, chennisden, BBmolla, Enter, gobbledygook, Amrun, Iconeum, Chemist1422, Creature

Menalque (5) -

EspressoPatronum, Menalque, Dr Easy Bake, Elements, Cephrir

Flavor Leaf (4) -

Flavor Leaf, Nero Cain, RCEnigma, AaronFrost

Cephrir -

zoraster, Untrod Tripod

KidAmn -

KidAmn, Rautherdir

Untrod Tripod -

Wooper

Hectic -

Elements

Firebringer -

Firebringer

Pine -

Pine

TrueSoulEnergy -

TrueSoulEnergy

Vorkuta -

Vorkuta

With 40 Alive, it takes 21 to elect a Governor.
You have (expired on 2019-11-16 22:00:00) left in this phase.

I deleted 8 posts after post 574 as they were unintentional reposts.

VOTE: No Governor

[Cephrir]

VOTE: no governor

[Cephrir]

I was mulling over the case in my office when the hysterical dame returned with a bulging sheaf of papers. She babbled something about a governor, and she reeked of wine. I smiled and nodded, sent her on her way with a wink and a smile, saying I was sure all these pages would be a break in the case. Finally, I was rid of her enfurred, dusky eyed personage and gave a meaningful look to my garbage can.

I didn't know much in this case, but I knew one thing for sure.

I was not reading a word of this drivel.

[Cephrir]

When you've only got one suspect, you might as well squeeze 'em and see if they squeal.

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[Cephrir]

Well, I haven’t really read much since my last post, so... yeah. I have read the posts made since day started though
I suppose I should clarify that before I posted the discussion so far was ‘Let’s get rid of the no gov shot as quickly as possible’ and it would be easy for scum to slip under the radar. Bingle immediately stifled any discussion on that matter, and from what I have read is still espousing misinformation regarding, for example, the Cult Q&A; and is using it to make reads on players. This is not a good trait for someone who is also trying to control the town.
VOTE: Bingle

Make that two suspects, I thought, as I watched a shady character slip, thinking himself unnoticed, into the building I'd identified as a headquarters for the criminal enterprise. Always paid off to have a few contacts who'd let me use their places as a lookout post. No one checks the windows.

[Cephrir]

Well, I haven’t really read much since my last post, so... yeah. I have read the posts made since day started though
I suppose I should clarify that before I posted the discussion so far was ‘Let’s get rid of the no gov shot as quickly as possible’ and it would be easy for scum to slip under the radar. Bingle immediately stifled any discussion on that matter, and from what I have read is still espousing misinformation regarding, for example, the Cult Q&A; and is using it to make reads on players. This is not a good trait for someone who is also trying to control the town.
VOTE: Bingle

Would u be willing to vote for scum instead pls, aka amrun

I'd thought this fella was just babbling incessantly due to the influence of the dark power. But with that squared away, I see that he's just one of those types that likes to hear himself talk.

[Cephrir]

Me or Rauth?

The fella apparently hadn't heard of context clues. I was talking about his obsession with this "Amrun" person, obviously.

[Cephrir]

Me or Rauth?

The fella apparently hadn't heard of context clues. I was talking about his obsession with this "Amrun" person, obviously.

Oh cool, what do u think of amrun mr PI?

I decided to consult my notes on miss Amrun. I always carried my leatherbound field journal in my left coat pocket, next to the lighter. Some think it's too pretentious for a man in my position, but sometimes you gut alone won't catch everything.

My notes say that miss Amrun's hatred of a mere dog is overboard and she's clung to it remarkably hard while also discrediting herself. She's gone out of her way to find ways to bend what the dog did into evidence it should be put down. But I know evidence, and that's not it.

They also say she speaks a bit like a robot, but as far as I know, there aren't any robots involved with this case. I'm unsure that an innocent person would be likely to generate specifically third party suspicions so quickly. So, after consulting my notes, I conclude that she could very well be a criminal, which I had not noticed before. Even I miss details now and then.

Nonetheless, it would clear my head if Mr. Menalque could shut the hell up about it for like two seconds.

[Cephrir]

You were saying I lacked a hidden agenda now you’re saying that you were thinking I was under the influence of dark power (I.e. you were SRing me).

The "governor" power is a dark force that corrupts the hearts of men. It had to be destroyed.

[Cephrir]

I was washing out of the case. There was so much information, most of it worthless, and I found my desire to parse it was less than my desire to have a drink. These things happen even to the best. Slumps are just part of the job. Really, if you aren't having at least one brooding slump a week, you're not even a real PI.

[Cephrir]

Eventually I realized that even though I might have a suspect or two, the only way I'd be able to sit down and solve the case was if I did something about the relentless fucking nonstop useless chittering from very inconsiderate idiots who were apparently purely here to prevent anyone from investigating by making as much noise as humanly possible.

VOTE: Creature

[Cephrir]

I can get behind a policy vote, but I think Miss Lynch’s slip was genuine, not dissimilar to yours in Detective Penguin

I kindly informed the tree that I was not actually reading anything on account of there being too much of it.

[Cephrir]

I also, because I was apparently losing my mind, informed the important ping pong paddle that it's considered standard practice to provide everyone with the town win condition these days.

[Cephrir]

On account of the few words that had accidentally grazed my eyes and all.

[Cephrir]

but I think Miss Lynch’s slip was genuine,

i mean yeah he's 3p but is he the best lynch today?

Eventually I realized that even though I might have a suspect or two, the only way I'd be able to sit down and solve the case was if I did something about the relentless fucking nonstop useless chittering from very inconsiderate idiots who were apparently purely here to prevent anyone from investigating by making as much noise as humanly possible.

VOTE: Creature

this post blows. As much as I hate fluff posters and as much as I wouldn't mind having to ever see another Creature post again...he hasn't been massively spamming for a while now. This is a very safe low resistance vote.

This one fella had a real grudge against me, and seemed to struggle with reading comprehension. I guess he missed the memo about how I'm not reading the thread and just voted the person with the most posts because I'm explicitly doing nothing until the game is readable.

[Cephrir]

Also, Doctor Drew saying he would never do that to BBm is exactly why it’s ScumGu. He’s not doing anything wrong, but he feels dirty playing it, even though it’s the name of the game.

DD is scum, and all his reasonings are just trying to get me to logically back off of his case and not be able to push.

The way he’s defending himself against me is Scum Indicative.

Seems you missed when I said I am an open book.

And you are taking my interaction with Big Balls way to seriously.

How about you interact with me directly instead of making a scum accusation first, then trying to find reasons second.

I didnt want to flood the detectives out there with too much information, so I resolved to keep things succinct and only write what was necessary as I got up to speed. But damn, I couldnt let something this terrible pass without comment.

[Cephrir]

Oh god I’m in love with a criminal

I've had an old flame on the wrong side of the law. It's a common tale in this line of work. Mine was Kate. Her hair was as red as her politics, and nothing could tie her down. The last time I saw her, she was driving a stolen Beamer into the sunset. But for all her frenetic nature, i can count on one hand what I wouldn't do for one more night with that temptress.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: tse

I’m honestly not surprised that both You and Chemist vote me.

Funny enough I think you forgot you never actually scum read me, Chemist did.
Thanks for admitting your buddies with Chemist!

/Vote Chen

I was beginning to get used to all this shoddy detective work. I resolved not to listen to the worst offenders, including this guy.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Cephrir]

Can someone summarise claims for me?

My instinct is that Dr Drew's response to the potential slip doesn't make sense.

There were way too many nervous types here spilling their guts about everything they knew as quickly as they could. It did not bode well for the case.

[Cephrir]

Creature isn’t a scumread, melnaque isn’t a scumread, you’re not a scumread - and you are three of the worst spammers.

Again, it's a 40p game. Should have expected that

I had expected a lot of noise from this cast of characters. What I hadn't expected was gleeful and deliberate contribution to the heap of useless sludge, because this was a (pre)murder case, not a fucking social hour.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Creature

[Cephrir]

People are just angry with you because they joined a large theme and people thought that with 40 players, people would not be hyperposting, and we would be at like, 40 pages by now. I’m not sure what people reasonably expected the pace to be, but I think they expected the pace to be slow when Large Themes will almost never be slow anymore. I’m sorry, that’s just reality. Accept it.

I’m not sure how geriatric players point to this and say “HYPERPOSTING IS A PROBLEM” because it is literally a 40p game. Ofc its going to be fast, you complaining about it being fast doesn’t help

I was pretty sure I had already explained several times that it was not just about the amount.

[Cephrir]

The DD scumslip looks like bullshit too

I didn’t even realize there was a DD scum slip case.

Fuck that, there are actual reasons he’s scum.

I hadn't though I'd find common ground with the smoking fella. Just not my type with all the bluster. But sometimes you find the right things in the most surprising places. That's why I always keep my eyes peeled.

[Cephrir]

Creature was posting a lot and I skipped the last 6 pages because of it.

Imma bout to glad creature just to stop him.

Should I do a 3rd person, or just 1v1 creature?

If only the zombie fish could actually do such a thing, what a boon it would be. But I knew he was bluffing.

Why was I talking to a zombie fish, anyway? There had to be more reliable witnesses.

[Cephrir]

And scum won’t hit him because he’s claimed PGO.

And I am the one who scum slipped lol.

VOTE: flavor leaf

good post

The talking convenience store wasn't too bright, but I didnt expect too much from a talking convenience store.

This was going to look very strange in my notebook later.

[Cephrir]

Creature was posting a lot and I skipped the last 6 pages because of it.

Imma bout to glad creature just to stop him.

Should I do a 3rd person, or just 1v1 creature?

If only the zombie fish could actually do such a thing, what a boon it would be. But I knew he was bluffing.

Why was I talking to a zombie fish, anyway? There had to be more reliable witnesses.

You've seen my power once. Why doubt me now?

I thought I recalled the fish saying he couldnt do it anymore. I checked my notes.

[Cephrir]

I was truly in awe of the gall it took to claim not to be spamming anymore while having 160 posts in the last 7 hours.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Drew

[Cephrir]

I was a veteran of many cases, and I couldn't say I remembered a time when someone as arbitrarily picked out of a crowd as this Vorkuta guy had flipped scum. I also wasn't too keen on listening on anything the dancing fella had to say, on account of being such a poor detective, and I was surprised to see so many following him without asking any questions.

I thought it was important somebody let the monkey guy know that there was another wagon with the same number of votes. Didn't seem right to misrepresent the state of opinion to him like that. I thought it might be a good idea for him to iso Vorkuta and Doctor Drew himself and draw his own conclusions rather than following the loudest voices.

I took a moment to stress to the assembled crowd that I didn't think anyone had truly slipped up and admitted to being a mafioso. I detected a guilty conscience in the not so good doctor's words the old fashioned way. I found old fashioned ways usually survived long enough to become old fashioned for a good reason. Sometimes putting your nose to the grindstone and piecing things together logically pays dividends. Don't you forget that.

[Cephrir]

I was truly in awe of the gall it took to claim not to be spamming anymore while having 160 posts in the last 7 hours.

Can't wait you to see the players who post 400 times in 12 hours.

Did you hear about the murderer who went free? When they got to court, he brilliantly pointed out the facts.

"Sure," he said, "I murdered the guy, but Hitler murdered a whole BUNCH of folks, so I did nothing wrong."

Realizing how perfect the man's logic was, the judge immediately threw out the case and awarded the man a million dollars for the frivolous suit.

[Cephrir]

"Oh yeah, that guy," the bar patron I was speaking to replied. "Wasn't that guy declared a living saint by the Pope last week?"

"Yep. He just pointed out to the Pope how few crimes he had committed relative to Stalin, and boom. On the spot."

[Cephrir]

Good thing we outed a friendly neighbor immediately in this cult game, I mused to myself. Wow, I sure was going to enjoy working with these top minds.

[Cephrir]

How about you join me on UT who repped out of his last game because of the pace and hasn't done it in here with a much quicker pace?

[Cephrir]

The otter's words had seemed a little out of place. I just couldn't quite put my finger on what the trouble was.

[Cephrir]

UT is the confirmed scum BTW.
He called my lock town read scum and said “Solving is Scum Indicative”
No ones that bad at the game.
UT is Confirmed Scum.

[Cephrir]

When I saw the body that had clearly been done up by cultists, I knew the game was truly afoot. I had to stitch up these Orcus worshippers before they got me.

[Cephrir]

I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN
I HID BEHIND ZORASTER
HE IS TOWN

The signs had been very obvious. I was surprised the killers had failed to notice such a blatant hint, though I wondered what the hiding one was planning to do now that it was in the open.

[Cephrir]

I killed both chemist and fish

Ur welcome

The unusually high temperature dog was almost certainly a liar, but still very cute.

[Cephrir]

I continued to be perturbed with how easily my presumed allies liked to give out all their information.

[Cephrir]

Seeing that the loud boastful guy was still alive, I was almost puzzled that no one had felt compelled to off him at night. Perhaps there were fewer folks looking to take justice into their own hands in this group than I had assumed.

[Cephrir]

Assumptions are the bane of good detective work, so I quickly resolved to make fewer of them.

Additionally, I suggested we all refrain from speculating on the identity of the red haired elf for now.

[Cephrir]

Chemist saved a red-haired elf btw.

I continued to be perturbed with how easily my presumed allies liked to give out all their information.

Not sure if that's directed to me, but that information was in the night flavour. I wanted to call attention to it so the red-haired elf is aware.

I had meant the individual who enjoyed hiding, as well as a few folks yesterday.

[Cephrir]

For some reason she'd double her efforts this evening. Even she doesn't understand why.

I had spotted several likely clues in the events of the previous evening, but this one was certainly the clearest.

[Cephrir]

K, you were scummy yesterday, and your execution flip flavor was scummy. Plus you have no reasoning for your UT vote that I care for.

@TSE

How was I Scummy?
I legit said that’s how I execute.
If you’d read you’d know.
You are prob scum with UT TBH.

VOTE: Amrun

No towns this dumb.

If there was a vigilante among this group, I sure as shit didnt like them right now.

[Cephrir]

are we sure that Orcus worshippers are our cult? I know the flavour references them, but are we sure on that? Also, should they be able to both kill somebody and recruit in the same night?

I wasn't certain. Call it a hunch.

Most cults were nonviolent, but maybe this one was different.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

Sometimes a fella just needs to be shut up the old fashioned way.

[Cephrir]

Lmao.

[Cephrir]

When I saw the body that had clearly been done up by cultists, I knew the game was truly afoot. I had to stitch up these Orcus worshippers before they got me.

You think the Cult killed someone? Why?

We have coroners for a reason, kid. When they tell you the cause of death- says here this one was sacrificed to Orcus- that's your first clue.

[Cephrir]

When I saw the body that had clearly been done up by cultists, I knew the game was truly afoot. I had to stitch up these Orcus worshippers before they got me.

You think the Cult killed someone? Why?

We have coroners for a reason, kid. When they tell you the cause of death- says here this one was sacrificed to Orcus- that's your first clue.

I think you’re assuming connection to Cult though. Unless this is a Cultafia game or they started with a killing role + a leader it wasn’t the in-game Cult

Deduction ain't assumption, kid. Could be wrong, of course. Always could. But I think it points towards a possible "cultafia."

[Cephrir]

Also, just realized that I’m an idiot. Orcus is definitely not cult flavor. Ascension is cult flavor.

...we all make mistakes now and then.

[Cephrir]

I think you're trying to deflect from TSE. What do you think about that?

I don't think that you really think that scum Nero would push away from such an EZ lynch and if you think that scum are TSE and I, that I'd commit virtual suicide by going to bat for him.

I think your accusations are simplistic, not well thought out and fake.

This was a bit rich, coming from someone who just accused me of being terrified of his one vote amidst a heap full of nonsense.

[Cephrir]

It was a shame to see several of us ignoring the evidence indicating Rautherdir's innocence.

I still thought we should get rid of the boastful guy, and not at all due to the Drew flip. That wasn't where he'd shown his true colors. He'd said suspicious things the previous day, and now his threats to the integrity of the game were proving a distraction. Plus, at the end of the day, I just plain didn't like him and wanted him off the case.

[Cephrir]

If the second part is also talking about me

It wasn't.

[Cephrir]

Reminder that the 'who' part is RNG'd

Is this something we're supposed to know already?

It was, on account of how it was more or less the only thing Vorkuta had said during Day 1 and he'd said it at least three times. I wondered if the other sleuths on this case needed their heads checked, and then I remembered the spectacle that had been yesterday. Yes, yes they did.

[Cephrir]

Reminder that the 'who' part is RNG'd

Is this something we're supposed to know already?

I mean, Vork only claimed it around 3 to 5 times throughout the day, so... depends on how much you were reading the game.

p-edit
Alright cool. Who was it talking about then?

[Cephrir]

It was funny how Korina's desires were a self-unfulfilling prophecy.

[Cephrir]

Another scenario: Menalque knows what I'm talking about but declined to receive it in case I'm gambiting. Like trying to catch scum with a disloyal fruit or something.

The evidence from night very obviously pointed to what Mr. Enigma was claiming to be able to do.

[Cephrir]

I make a note in my notebook: "Lynching cult recruits is bad and we should not be trying to do it., absent evidence suggesting cult can only recruit X times."

[Cephrir]

Cult can only recruit X times, where X is the number of nights the cult leader is alive and unblocked.

I hoped this possibility would lead him to seeing the validity of my note, but he arrived at the wrong conclusion, so I explained.

If you lynch a cult recruit you go to night, cult recruits again, and you accomplished nothing.

[Cephrir]

I was developing a sneaking suspicion that the high number of ways to confirm innocents among this group (daycop, fn, hider) was designed by some sort of deity to punish us for being loose with information in a cult sotuation.

[Cephrir]

being the counterwagon to Drew

I shook my head sadly. Was this really what society had come to?

[Cephrir]

You see, I’m something of a mentalist— I play the game in a revolution of plays countering other plays. What is this person going to do to respond to this play?

What is this guy in the clown suit on about, I wonder? I bet it's stupid. I think I'll continue not listening.

[Cephrir]

Man, I can never tell if I actually like FL as a player slot, or if it's just that damn avatar. You're so goddamn hard to read. I don't think I want to lynch you because then I'd never figure you out, but fuck do you make it hard. I was going to ask Mena to give me a rundown over why he's convinced FL should die, cuz I really like him too, but then FL started talking and your exchanges just made me smile, and I forgot I'm supposed to be thinking critically about you both. Gah, must you both be so pleasant to play with? It's frankly rude.

Something about today feels off and it's not just the oxy talking. I can't put my finger on who it is that feels weird to me, but it's somebody, and something about the way things are happening that don't feel completely organic, and I don't like it. Something in the whole rce, rauth, Korina, and tse pile is making me wrinkle my nose, and I'm not sure what it is, or even if it's one of them is a bad, but something about all of their stuff since game start is *something*

"I'm xofelf," said the xofelf.

"We know, xofelf," said everyone else to the xofelf. "You xofelf every time you type anything with your xofelf hands."

[Cephrir]

I checked my bag, but I definitely had not brought my combination hatchet/corkscrew/sonar headset/laser car/salad fork today. Perhaps it would've been useful- I could go for some wine after that lame attack.

[Cephrir]

can kill town.

Is a man who can kill necessarily evil?

[Cephrir]

can kill town.

Is a man who can kill necessarily evil?

No, generally. In this case, almost definitely. I don’t want to make it too obvious how it works.

Very well.

VOTE: Virgo the Immaculate

[Cephrir]

Well, y'all have fun wagoning my buddy. I can't vote for them no matter what, so, I'll just be over here in Flavortown.

why can't you vote for them?

Long-running promise to never vote Vjörk.

are you referencing a promise you made in this game or a promise you made not in this game?

Not in this game, it was a long time ago.

Why would you ever play in a game where you could never vote a slot?

Because I wanna play with my buddy Vjörk, duh.

Mr. Fieri claimed he wished to investigate the case along with his partner, but as far as I could tell, he hadn't done any investigating.

[Cephrir]

Don't wanna get banned obviously, but also not trying to break I promise I made...what a conundrum! Guess I'll just have to keep my reasonings close to my chest.

Lying doesn't work too well if you first inform everyone that you are lying, bub.

[Cephrir]

Sometimes the world needs someone who operates outside the law. Who can see the guilt in a man, even if the police can't find it and his role card is green. Sometimes what a client wants is dirt. I don't discriminate. I work for whoever pays me. That's the life I signed up for, and there ain't no other line of work for a fella like me.

But I always hated guys like TrueSoulEnergy. They're the only clients I'd always turn down, aside from organized crime. Guys who got by being scumbags just because there weren't any laws against being a pain in the ass to everyone you meet. You ever meet a world-weary woman who can't ever trust a man again? That's because of guys like that. Treat people wrong without doing anything illegal. They know where the lines are, that kind of guy. Even if they don't think about it, at their core, the fringes of the line... that's who they are. I don't give a damn if he's a man, a spider-man or a bat-man. They're all the same. Besides, even the dumbest crooks know not to tell you they're crooks. That's what the folks down at city hall call "safe flavor."

Sometimes a fella just deserves to be taken out. Even if you hadn't a clue what color his card was, which in this case I didn't. You just can't tell if this kind of guy is a killer because they talk like a killer, act like a killer, look like a killer. Real hard to tell the difference between a scumbag and a killer. I might do it myself, and I might not. But sure as hell I wouldn't shed a tear if someone else did.

Easier to think when guys like that aren't scumming it up distracting everyone with their inane boasting and worthless assertions.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Vork

Appealing to my sense of wagonomics, I'm in until I can verify. I also like the rationale especially compared to the reasons some players got on my wagon.

#pocketed

Some people believe in palm readers. Some believe in star signs. In my line of work, you don't get far trusting voodoo magic over your gut. Give me the chance to read people and some quality witness testimony anyday.

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

I was awfully uneasy about this all of a sudden and wanted to at least put it back to L-1 for a hot second.

[Cephrir]

Second, I am not claiming because I don't think TSE will shoot me and scumclaim himself. Why give scum the info? I am here, loud and proud to scumhunt.

I knew miss Titus hadn't been paying the most attention, so I pointed out to her that this TSE guy would absolutely kill her with no remorse because he is a trigger happy idiot and the opposing wagon is him. And that nobody regarded this as a scumclaim last time he did it and nobody was going to this time either.

I really hoped miss Titus wasn't scum because I was fully aware this looked an awful lot like defending her, but I really had no idea if she was or not. I just wanted her information before we rushed into anything.

[Cephrir]

I came to an unfortunate realization that TSE's role, if truly unlimited, was extremely overpowered in scum hands, which to my great frustration meant his motives were most likely pure. Other than the ones where he thought he was god's gift to mafia; those motives are selfish.

[Cephrir]

I needed to sit down with my notebook and sort out my thoughts on this sordid cast of characters, at least in broad strokes. But I wasn't going to have much time today.

[Cephrir]

I came to an unfortunate realization that TSE's role, if truly unlimited, was extremely overpowered in scum hands, which to my great frustration meant his motives were most likely pure. Other than the ones where he thought he was god's gift to mafia; those motives are selfish.

Except if TSE isn't scum then they can probably be recruited by cult. Which would put the role into scum hands. So I don't think the fact it would be overpowered in scum hands matters, it would be near the same level of balance as either town or scum as long as cult with a recruiter is around.

I am willing to lynch Elements, as in a way they effectively tried to quick-hammer a slot.

Did we know if cultists keep their roles? I've seen a few that turn their members into zombies. Probably not, I suppose. It's also possible he's an unrecruitable third party.

[Cephrir]

If I was honest, I was a little worried as someone who likes quality games that there might not be safeclaims despite their modern prevalence since the night flavor hints also smelled of 2009.

[Cephrir]

Sometimes the best way to sort out your thoughts is to just write them down, whatever they may be. I trusted my gut, so I decided to open my notebook and start writing impressions without consulting any of my data. Seemed like as good a place as any to get my head straight.

"01. Pine
Mostly absent.

02. Untrod Tripod
Hasn't actually done much, but I'm fine with most of what he's posted. I agree with the substance of his complaints, though I think there's little point in continuing to post about them and I thought the Elements vote was a bit hyperbolic.

03. Wooper
Who?

04. Firebringer
Oddly, who? Possibly scum purely because I can't remember him making me smile yet.

05. Amrun
Her posting style feels a little detached but I'm chalking it up to old school. Actually trying, which if anything this town is in dire need of. I don't think there's much scum utility in the way she's handled her claim, though I wish she had kept it to herself. If someone can find the scum benefit here by all means tell me.

06. Iconeum
Who? I think I disliked one or two posts.

07. Korina
There is no way to read posts that don't have any content. I wish they would stop whining about quite unlikely events failing to materialize.

08. Rautherdir
I don't like anything they post, including the "look how helpful I am" vote counts. But they've been investigated, so whatever.

09. BBmolla
More or less blatantly not playing until there are fewer people, which I can't really argue with since I've been doing something similar.

11. The Fonz
I think this might be scum.

12. TrueSoulEnergy
I've already posted about this at length. We are unlucky that such a seemingly necessary role was rolled by someone who should really be vigged. I give this a 25% chance of being third party that wins when it executes some number of goblins.

13. Menalque
Town.

14. Titus, who is/replaced Virgo the Immaculate
Possibly town just because their response to a wagon hasn't been trying to get out of it in a way with a high chance of succeeding.

15. Bingle
I'm aware this person is good at scum and I feel they are town anyway.

16. Nero Cain
Disagree with nearly everything this person posts. Not sure if scum or just aggressively bad. Leaning towards the latter.

17. xofelf
xofelf's posts always read tonally scummy to me, but I know that is just her writing style. Probably town for posting at all, honestly.

18. Gamma Emerald
Useless, lean scum.

19. Pink Ball
Who?

20. Vorkuta
The wagon on this person makes no sense to me at all. They were present during the fun part, got bored or something and left. Wow, incredible case guys. And now with a wagon on him he's still not doing anything. What a dangerous mastermind we have on our hands.

21. Dr Easy Bake
Useless. Vig this.

22. Aaron fucking Frost
They contribute sometimes and haven't pinged me yet, so that's fine.

23. RCEnigma
Lean town.

24. davesaz
I remember scumreading this person as town in the past, so I'm just going to let them be for now.

25. Miss Lynch, who is/replaced Enter
See no reason to worry about this at this time.

26. Elements
I should read this person, but I'm pretty sure I'm fine with lynching them.

28. pisskop, who replaced Hectic
Who?

29. zoraster
Gives me the heebie-jeebies. I thought the way zor aligned himself with UT on most issues and then weirdly started to push him when this was pointed out is pretty awkward.

31. Dongempire
Who?

32. gobbledygook
*gobble*

34. chennisden
Light town lean.

35. Creature
I'm just glad it stopped posting. No read.

36. Almost50, who replaced jadesmar
I suck at reading this guy. Neutral.

37. Flavor Leaf
Lean scum. Doesn't feel at all like the town version I witnessed recently. Lifeless.

38. KidAmn
Unmemorable.

39. InsideJob711 (hydra of Kise and Alisae)
I mildly suspect this slot purely because I believe it knows better than to claim hider for no reason. Their blatant crumb was more than sufficient.

40. EspressoPatronum
I agreed with the obvtown reads until the last ~10 pages. I don't like or get what they've been doing more recently."

Satisfied for now, I tucked my pen back into its holster.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Elements

[Cephrir]

On the record if I wasn't voting scum!Vork if vote scum!elements.

Why are you scum reading me again?

If Titus were to flip town it's the second wagon going through in lieu of a Vork lynch that's faced a lot of resistance and you pushing it through looks agenda driven. Fair?

If only the simple fact of something being objected to make it more likely, detective work would be very easy.

[Cephrir]

On the record if I wasn't voting scum!Vork if vote scum!elements.

Why are you scum reading me again?

If Titus were to flip town it's the second wagon going through in lieu of a Vork lynch that's faced a lot of resistance and you pushing it through looks agenda driven. Fair?

If only the simple fact of something being objected to make it more likely, detective work would be very easy.

It's not being objected to based on his play, I'd argue.

Then I put it to you: Who is resisting in a suspicious way? "General resistance" doesn't cut it with me. This is a case, pal, not a joke.

[Cephrir]

Good to see the Vork wagon pick back up.

[Cephrir]

Cephir’s probably scum which makes me not like the elements wagon.

Plus, I feel the axolotl is lynch bait.

The smoking fella continued to be all smoke and no fire. The chances of him having pure motives were looking grimmer by the moment.

[Cephrir]

Okay no I’m not gonna unvote if Elements does just barely enough to get me off his back and then dips out

That’s why he’s perfect lynch bait, tbh.

I feel like I’ve seen it happen before too, but i can’t remember where.

Might be on going, so I’m not gonna look more into it.

But I have seen Cephir heavy fluff post with charisma as scum.

A scum post by Cephir in a game earlier this year

“Now listen here, you chucklefuck...”

In response to me pushing them as scum correctly, but not fully pushing. More doing my annoying Flavor Leaf thing and continuously poking at them.

My posts in that game were not fluffy.

I would live to see you doing your annoying flavor leaf thing instead of absolutely jack shit, but here we are.

[Cephrir]

It sets Cephir up to be in the same position where they have to push at me by way of discredit.

If I push a scum partner of theirs, they are highly likely to hard hatchet me

This isnt a discredit. I'm calling you scum.

I'm also likely to call bullshit bullshit and a stick a stick.

[Cephrir]

Lol.

[Cephrir]

I'm driving. I would not be afraid of this wimpy, baseless nothing push if I were scum, though.

[Cephrir]

I'm driving. I would not be afraid of this wimpy, baseless nothing push if I were scum, though.

So are you saying you are afraid here or not afraid?

I am not afraid of you and I never will be.

Especially when the best you've got is the most obviously fake cop investigation I've ever seen.

[Cephrir]

I’m waiting for the “Alright, now listen here, you chucklefuck.”

I was going to do this to be cheeky but how you've ruined it.

[Cephrir]

Disagree with nearly everything this person posts. Not sure if scum or just aggressively bad. Leaning towards the latter.

What makes you right and me wrong?

The role cards of the players you suspect

[Cephrir]

the idea that Vork is obvtown b/c he pushed to be gov and now is "bored" is laughable. He's just scum lurking it out. Also not that Mena is pushing FL as scum (even b4 the guilty claim) So why is vork gov push town but not FL's?

Hes not obvtown, I just dont thibj hes done anything scummy.

FL's is so obviously required by his personality that it does nothing for me. Also, mena and vork had fun with it.

[Cephrir]

Elements also looks bad, fwiw

Yes, his ISO looks like a tiny p

What is your ISO?

Way bigger than yours

I cannot believe he actually set you up for this joke (oh no I'm fluffing FL is gonna catch me)

[Cephrir]

like my whole thing is Vork feels like its a good idea to lurk and do shit all as town. Thus, I don't really think he's town.

But it's fine when DEB does it, among others?

[Cephrir]

He seemed open to working with me completely, and even executed the lynch I was pushing and asked him
To far prior to him actually doing it

If this is how you detect scum it's no wonder you suck at it

[Cephrir]

Hey, wasn't that guy speaking italican before?

Yeah, what of it, bub? You got a problem? I've had a few and I could use a fight to get this case outta my head.

[Cephrir]

Naturally it was super obvious the whole time I was faking. Why would D&D have a hardboiled detective? I was planning to keep it up until the game became playable or I got bored, but it's been hampering my ability to say things I wanted to say anyway so I figured it was about time to hang up my hat. The people who enjoyed my posts made me smile so thanks to them.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir’s all fired up now. I like it.

Yeah, it’s what happened last time I caught him too.

Like Bingle said, we don’t have to worry about going him today, it’s funny from my perspective, and with him alive, I never get killed, so

This is ridiculous. If you're scum you already know this, but in case you're not:

A) You think you can meta me off one game. You cant. You're observing my personality, not scum traits.
B) in that game, I was behaving in an abrasive and fiery manner the whole time, not just after you caught me, because that is the playstyle I use on that account. That's literally what I made the account for. Look at its avatar.
C) Literally the thing I'm best at in mafia is faking my town meta. Meta sucks to begin with, but it sucks even more against me.

[Cephrir]

I mean if you think my gimmick was a scum plan look at 162 and 163. Obviously, I didnt think of it until after I posted 162, had a fun idea and rolled with it.

[Cephrir]

I do that as both alignments when I'm being attacked for reasons I think are bad, but I guess you're just such a genius that that doesnt matter.

[Cephrir]

I literally know that you dont have a night result, so I'm gonna go ahead and keep making fun of it.

If you're town, it's pretty embarrassing that you constantly have to resort to shitty tactics like that because you cant persuade anyone.

[Cephrir]

Then I'm not sure why you pull bullshit like this.

Maybe you think after I'm lynched you can go "haha I'm flavor leaf" and get away with it.

That does sound like your hubris level.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cephrir

Go ahead. I dare you.

I don't think this town will let you get away with it.

Chucklefuck.

[Cephrir]

You just gotta keep making some plays for me to analyze you off of.

Things people with cop guilties dont say for 400 please alex.

[Cephrir]

I convinced Gamma Emerald to lynch a role copped Miller in 3p LYLO, I’m very persuasive

It's not my fault that gamma emerald sucks.

[Cephrir]

I won’t look at the surface level

Oh nooooo! The mentalist is inside my miiiiiindddd!!!!!!!!!! I'm quivering in my scumtacular booties!

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cephrir

Go ahead. I dare you.

I don't think this town will let you get away with it.

Chucklefuck.

Day 3. I want some more night actions.

I die the night after you die.

Bingle said it best, completely beneficial to wait a few days, even thought you’re scum.

Fuck off. Lynch me.

[Cephrir]

Come on guys we need a scum lynch, come lynch the scum warthog. I'm on the other scumteam from yours, its free

[Cephrir]

Code: Select all

[v]Cephrir, the charming scum warthog[/v]

For those on the go.

[Cephrir]

I already have one, thanks anyway.

[Cephrir]

Yes. I do. I dont think this town is stupid.

[Cephrir]

Per TSE's request, I will be TPing Flavor's house tonight.

[Cephrir]

I'm probably going to join the biggest wagon that isnt vorkuta because the others have at least had some compelling reason presented for them ever.

[Cephrir]

I'm interested in knowing how you know anyone's role card except your own.

Some of us do detective work. Not sure what it is you do.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Elements

[Cephrir]

I'm interested in knowing how you know anyone's role card except your own.

Some of us do detective work. Not sure what it is you do.

We got us an arrogant badass over here.

We've yet to flip any scum though and all you've done is vote for town so I'm going to take your reads with a large helping of salt.

You calling someone arrogant is pretty funny.

Town? I'm interested in knowing how you know anyone's role card except your own.

[Cephrir]

In fact, I think that’s quite likely at this point

Like I can get to why bingle or creature might vote me, in the vanishingly small number of worlds where FL is town him pushing me makes sense, but tse doesn’t

I don’t do I?
I think I made it pretty clear why I voted you.
What doesn’t make sense?
What do you feel I would do then?

I mean, no, you didn’t, but more importantly you have zero progression on my slot and what’s possible to infer makes no sense with your stance

You’ve not made any posts about me being scum prior to voting for me

In that, you simultaneously say “I wouldn’t mind a wagon here” and something about killing the strong scum off first

That doesn’t make sense together — if I’m strong scum, why are you limping on with such a non-commital statement as “I wouldn’t mind a wagon here”? Surely if you think I’m scum and strong at that you’d be advocating a lot more strongly

Also there’s the fact that you having a hard SR on me there literally doesnt make any sense given my reads and your own reads. Like I’ve expressed multiple times at least doubt on gamma and more than that on UT — the last time you interacted with me before voting me was to express interest in a UT lynch when I was shopping around on that

Why would you assume scum!me is bussing D2? Especially when you know for a fact that I don’t bus if avoidable (having made that point multiple times as town in nomination mafia, your only game-to-date with me)

So the only real reason for you to be SRing me is if you think I’m pushing a genuine town cop, and even then that I’m choosing to push that in bad faith? And that doesn’t make any sense because (1) if you’ve been paying attention at all you’ll know that anything papa leaf claims should be taken with a metric tonne of salt and (2) even if you think I’m pushing a town cop you’d still need an answer for why that’s bad faith that I’m doing it in rather than just not believing a claim that there is very good reason not to believe

So yeah, your push makes no fucking sense and you’re probably scum

Mena, he OMGUSes every single person that pushes him, this isnt new.

[Cephrir]

Also, if all I've done is vote for town and I recently voted myself, I guess you kinda beat yourself on that one huh?

[Cephrir]

My original scum read on you comes from your d1 play. You were pretty lurky and all you did was join low resistance popular wagons. Creature is prob town and we know drew is town.

You aren't as lurky today and other than the vote on yourself you've also joined nothing but low resistance popular wagons. I'm not as sure if Elements/Titus are town but TSE might be.

I was not lurky d1. I was solidly middle of the road on content. I know because I was thinking about that re: whether to give up the schtick. I chimed in when I had something to say and was more focused on trying than most.

I dont see the point in vanity wagoning in a 40 player game. Sue me? I havent seen a slam dunk person I want to kill yet and make a big case on, and neither have most of the players in this game, but you just seem to dislike me for some reason.

Yes, my arrogant post was a joke. I am not a big ego player.

[Cephrir]

discrediting their reads and play

Hi, I'm cephrir. When I think someone is being an idiot, I discredit them. I invariably get attacked for this behavior and I do not plan to stop.

[Cephrir]

I dont see the point in vanity wagoning in a 40 player game. Sue me? I havent seen a slam dunk person I want to kill yet and make a big case on,

the inverse of that argument is that you are just scum that's trying to blend in and not make waves. So I'm going to keep my eye on you and if you don't like, well sucks to be you, I guess.

Keep being ridiculous, then.

[Cephrir]

It remains ridiculously hard to lynch Vorkuta for no reason.

I await the claim largely ambivalently. It's not a bad lynch, just an incredibly meh one.

Yes, usually when you try to lynch someone for no reason people dont go for it.

I know this isnt what you meant to say but all the same, it's accurate.

[Cephrir]

I trust that town wouldn't claim scum is a friendly neighbor.

Generally speaking; you are being naive. FL would do it!

But BBMolla is "old school", so he wouldn't fake claim to clear someone that way.

One time a player named Benmage faked a cop guilty. Years ago. On town.

He was not only lynched the next day but also lambasted for being such a toxic idiot.

Nowadays, that's just Tuesday. It's a real shame.

[Cephrir]

ppl get scum read for lurking all the fucking time.

I have not been lurking at any point, least of all now.

[Cephrir]

Yes, usually when you try to lynch someone for no reason people dont go for it.

I mean... 98 posts and not a one of them doing anything even close to useful is a pretty good reason imo.

He might be town, sure, but if he is he's not a big loss.

I don't understand why you think it's strange that nobody thinks this limp noodle of a case is compelling.

[Cephrir]

Here is a list of players who would be no great loss as town based only on their actions this game and putting aside my desire to include hero Caine and flavor leaf on this list.

01. Pine
03. Wooper
04. Firebringer
06. Iconeum
07. Korina
09. BBmolla
12. TrueSoulEnergy
18. Gamma Emerald
19. Pink Ball
20. Vorkuta
21. Dr Easy Bake
24. davesaz
26. Elements
28. pisskop, who replaced Hectic
31. Dongempire
35. Creature
36. Almost50, who replaced jadesmar
38. KidAmn

So again... why vorkuta? Why would I ever expect such a seemingly arbitrary choice from this list to flip scum?

[Cephrir]

if Vork and Elements are on the same list why is it important to lynch Elements over Vork?

I have seen at least mildly compelling reasons to lynch him that are not just for being useless

[Cephrir]

ppl get scum read for lurking all the fucking time.

I have not been lurking at any point, least of all now.

but I was talking about Vork. You were lurking d1 and that's why you are more active today.

You got me. I was so worried youd notice I was lurking when I wasnt lurking that I decided to strategically kick it up a notch to dodge your sick scumhunting talents.

[Cephrir]

His posts are actually scummy as opposed to nonexistant

I'm not going back 40 pages to try and dig something up, I looked at his iso and didnt like it so i voted him

[Cephrir]

I dont know why I'm humoring you

So I don't care if town wins or note -> I intend to help town.

I haven't been keeping up with this game.
Someone give me the TL;DR on why we're not voting this?

"Why doesnt anyone care about hunting this third party?"

this TSE wagon is the fastest thing I've ever seen. Idk if that's just because of game size but there's like zero resistance as far as I can see.

Very worthless analysis, also he later complains about using wagon speed as a reason so lol to that

A dragon would be a 3rd party, I think.

I agree, but the type of dragon would probably determine it's "alignment" as it were.

There are a lot of posts like this one that exist for no discernible reason (my fluff is at least funny)

VOTE: titus

As previously noted this was effectively a potential hammer

I don't see why my vote is an attempt to quicklynch unless its inrelation to the "one more vote and i can exxecute" post which I have no control over anyway

Abdicating responsibility for his actions

How do you envisage me improving exactly?

It's been mentioned that this is a weak scum player so probably someone who doesnt know how to stop getting lynched

I am not sold on this being scum or anything it's just a less bad wagon than vorkuta

[Cephrir]

I don't I was just making a point

[Cephrir]

The above was directed at bbmolla, but works for both :p

[Cephrir]

Probably because his role is weird and needs to be tracked

Even if hes scum I expect that is probably true, just a weird thing to make up

[Cephrir]

Tse why havent you executed elements yet

[Cephrir]

Elements and vorkuta why havent you claimed yet

[Cephrir]

Ali your counterwhining has now become the primary whining

[Cephrir]

It's completely reasonable for a mod to see something like FL posting 400 times in a row just to hear himself talk and say this is ridiculous

[Cephrir]

Here is a list of players who would be no great loss as town based only on their actions this game and putting aside my desire to include hero Caine and flavor leaf on this list.

01. Pine
03. Wooper
04. Firebringer
06. Iconeum
07. Korina
09. BBmolla
12. TrueSoulEnergy
18. Gamma Emerald
19. Pink Ball
20. Vorkuta
21. Dr Easy Bake
24. davesaz
26. Elements
28. pisskop, who replaced Hectic
31. Dongempire
35. Creature
36. Almost50, who replaced jadesmar
38. KidAmn

So again... why vorkuta? Why would I ever expect such a seemingly arbitrary choice from this list to flip scum?

Would you hard defend anyone else on this list?

Christ.

I'm not hard defending him.

I just want someone to provide a passable reason before I lynch someone.

Sure, I would behave this way if I saw any wagon pop up on any player for no reason with no accountability.

And the fact that I've been saying this for pages and still no passable reason has been provided only disturbs me more.

Why am I the only one who has a problem with this?

[Cephrir]

"I'm a God scum reader"
"Town have perfect reading comprehension and always agree with me"

[Cephrir]

I think I agree.

This role cannot be allowed to do whatever it wants.

It must accept leashing or die.

VOTE: TSE

[Cephrir]

Moreover, the basis currently being given for voting TSE is that he will not execute his scumbuddy Elements

Disagree- the reason is that we cant let one person be the king of town for the whole game and decide who to lynch. He must be consistent or we have to remove him for being antitown.

I dont especially think he is scum, but if he wont play his role correctly and objectively, we are forced to remove him.

[Cephrir]

I would be fine with zor's solution as well.

[Cephrir]

Hard for me to justify moving my vote absent any reason to believe TSE's behavior will change just because we agreed it should.

[Cephrir]

our "town killing roles" didn't trim any deadwood last night. why would you expect them to tonight?

Formerfish was murdered in the middle of town! They were Unnamed Orc Warrior: Cobble-Aligned Gladiator
Chemist1422 was sacrificed to Orcus! They were "The Webfoot" Gek: Cobble-Aligned Bodyguard

Good posting!

What? No it isn't. Those kills almost certainly noth came from scum. FF was obvtown and chemist died saving someone.

[Cephrir]

Seems weird to suggest the town killing roles did their job when they clearly failed at it

[Cephrir]

our "town killing roles" didn't trim any deadwood last night. why would you expect them to tonight?

Formerfish was murdered in the middle of town! They were Unnamed Orc Warrior: Cobble-Aligned Gladiator
Chemist1422 was sacrificed to Orcus! They were "The Webfoot" Gek: Cobble-Aligned Bodyguard

Good posting!

What? No it isn't. Those kills almost certainly noth came from scum. FF was obvtown and chemist died saving someone.

He died saving someone?
Elaborate.

Read the Night 1 mod post it's very clear

[Cephrir]

our "town killing roles" didn't trim any deadwood last night. why would you expect them to tonight?

Formerfish was murdered in the middle of town! They were Unnamed Orc Warrior: Cobble-Aligned Gladiator
Chemist1422 was sacrificed to Orcus! They were "The Webfoot" Gek: Cobble-Aligned Bodyguard

Good posting!

What? No it isn't. Those kills almost certainly noth came from scum. FF was obvtown and chemist died saving someone.

He died saving someone?
Elaborate.

Read the Night 1 mod post it's very clear

“sacrificed to Orcus!”

Read ALL of the mod post.

[Cephrir]

"sacrificed to Orcus!" sounds like a sk/2nd scum team kill over him protecting anyone but he did flip BG so I understand why you guys think that.

We think it because the mod told us.

Read. With your eyes.

[Cephrir]

Since this is apparently so hard.

The great deathbringer thought it heard the target speaking to someone, or something, but it was just the red-haired doe-eyed girl in the field of flowers picking away at the daisies. The armor clanked as it approached but still it caught her off guard. She stood up and almost ran into it when turning back toward the town walls.

"Your sacrifice has been acknowledged."

The fair Elven woman stumbled backward, falling to her backside with hands in the air. She screamed. The behemoth in black raised its sword and took a surprise glob of mud to the face. A Grippli man sprang into action with a leap between the monstrous swordsman and the fire-haired girl.

"No such thing will happen on dis day," he warned while turning to look over his shoulder. "Get out while you still can, Elf. I'll take it from he--"

The dark sword plunged into his chest. She shrieked and stumbled further backward at the sight of such a thing before finally fleeing. The heavily-armored brute pulled the frogman into his blade even more, the expressionless face draining of color as the black knight wiped the mud from its helmet.

"Orcus accepts your honorable contribution."

[Cephrir]

^gross

People are allowed to argue for the wagon they want

[Cephrir]

^gross

People are allowed to argue for the wagon they want

Who is gross?

the arrow indicates "the above post"

[Cephrir]

^gross

People are allowed to argue for the wagon they want

Who is gross?

the arrow indicates "the above post"

Well, yes, but I thought maybe it was the post above that. I don’t understand how your post relates to Miss a Lynch’s at all.

She was basically saying "if you dont vote the wagon I want you to, you're defending it and you're gonna look bad for it"

Pushing a different wagon isnt defending anyone

[Cephrir]

:/

VOTE: Elements

[Cephrir]

Mena (Confirmed scum if they don’t re-evaluate.)

God scumhunter telling alleged scum how to avoid being scumread

[Cephrir]

the pushback only makes me think I'm right.

And that is one of your worst attributes

[Cephrir]

I think we should avoid outing how good or not good her role is at this time.

[Cephrir]

In most mash ups, scum teams usually don’t care and will defend their buddy and vote a miss lynch.
So again, this doesn’t surprise me.

Oh you're from MU that's why you think all scum players are braindead

[Cephrir]

I just know how ALL scum play from experience.

Hahahahahajajahahjajahaiaushebeisbdndkpeelfnfnekekebdns

[Cephrir]

On the one hand, that is definitely the absolute most likely claim to get someone out of a lynch in this game.

[Cephrir]

@anyone who is thinking about CCing vig here

-Consider the possibility a game this size might have two vigs
-If you must, shoot rather than counterclaiming

Thanks

[Cephrir]

Genuinely have no idea what issue anyone could take with that post, but you love to call basic mafia theory scummy, so hey, go for it

[Cephrir]

hrmmm...does scum ele fakeclaim vig here?

Elements would only claim vig if he had a killing role. So I doubt it if he was mafia (unless he was mafia with a specific kill in addition to the regular mafia kill), but he could be 3p or town.

Why?

I think a scumteam coaching him to claim vig (probably the only role we really really do not want to lynch today) seems pretty solid. Sure, they do lose him eventually, but it would net them a Titus or vork lynch today.

[Cephrir]

If we are not lynching elements today, then I agree with miss lynch- i see no particular reason he needs to be leashed

If hes an sk that will become clear in due time, but scum just claiming vig to not get lynched today seems more likely

[Cephrir]

Who do we lynch instead then ceph?

I mean I'm still considering lynching elements. Its convenient.

If were changing, I would be willing to do titus or consider something new

[Cephrir]

why titus.

shes just a nonpresence.

Mostly agreed, though shes at least on amruns list and has made some strange posts

[Cephrir]

I was trying to add preventing anyone from hastily claiming vig without thinking through the implications

I've seen dumber things

[Cephrir]

I feel like I've had a light townread on chen but I will review and see if theres a good reason for that later

[Cephrir]

since I need to spell it out for you even though I hinted at this multiple times

I am a delayed vigilante, and I shot you nero.

suck it

Fakewarmups! Sad!

[Cephrir]

Warmpups*

[Cephrir]

I reread chen and I think I'm landing on not getting it

[Cephrir]

I reread chen and I think I'm landing on not getting it

Do you Town read or scum read him?
If so, why?

I dont understand why people are scumreading him it seems neutral to me

[Cephrir]

I guess I'm inclined to believe someone would be extra likely as either alignment to sit on the side and snipe in a 40p game

[Cephrir]

Scum poisoner is an immensely powerful role. A scum poisoner does not claim poisoner for no reason.

[Cephrir]

How do you be a small halfling and a red haired elf at the same time

I guess it's real tho

I didnt realize youd asked me that fire! I'm flattered. I'll think about it for a moment.

[Cephrir]

Scum poisoner would claim delayed vig

if

the kill flavor isn't indicative and wouldn't prove them wrong.

p-edit
That's where I think the flavor implied poisoner, though I would assume that the flavor also then implies the poison failed.

Under pressure maybe

Under no pressure you keep that role under wraps because you do not want to be held responsible for the immensely proscum things it can do for you

[Cephrir]

Firedog this game is made for trolling and I've had to put up with so much more boring trolls than you
Where have you been gosh

[Cephrir]

I prefer firedoggo.

everytime I see "warmpuppy" I get a little bit annoyed.

Fiiiiine. I think all your potential nicknames are very cute and this is seriously untapped potential tho

[Cephrir]

@Fire if I had a vig right now here's where I'd be looking and why
It should be noted I am a conservative vig and only rarely attempt hero shots

03. Wooper- Duck is very capable, so where is he?
06. Iconeum- both useless and scummy
12. TrueSoulEnergy- to improve the quality of the game
18. Gamma Emerald- both useless and scummy
19. Pink Ball- claimed 3p, so why not?
21. Dr Easy Bake- honestly? i've only seen this person a couple times and i already think they should be policy vigged. they should also stop signing up for mafia games they have no intention of playing.
24. davesaz- possibly scum, though i am not good at reading this person
37. Flavor Leaf- this would be my hero shot

[Cephrir]

@Fire if I had a vig right now here's where I'd be looking and why
It should be noted I am a conservative vig and only rarely attempt hero shots

03. Wooper- Duck is very capable, so where is he?
06. Iconeum- both useless and scummy
12. TrueSoulEnergy- to improve the quality of the game
18. Gamma Emerald- both useless and scummy
19. Pink Ball- claimed 3p, so why not?
21. Dr Easy Bake- honestly? i've only seen this person a couple times and i already think they should be policy vigged. they should also stop signing up for mafia games they have no intention of playing.
24. davesaz- possibly scum, though i am not good at reading this person
37. Flavor Leaf- this would be my hero shot

hmmm okay.

Do you think Titus is town?

Not especially, but I don't think she needs vigging on account of her being in the spotlight right now

If she slipped back under the radar I would consider it

[Cephrir]

Who is doing scummy shit?

dave
UT afair
Korina
probably Menalque too

I'm probably missing a couple of players too

I’d be down for a UT Wagon.

Buddy

We know

[Cephrir]

Is anyone up for a gamma wagon?

[Cephrir]

There are like 4 votes on chen I dont think that really qualifies as a big switch

I'm not sure about UT, but he at least is amusing and the lack of doing much from him is consistent with his opinions on the volume of posts happening. I'm kind of hoping to read him later, and I would probably go for titus over him

[Cephrir]

I guess chen and Titus are about equally good lynches in my mind at "ok"

[Cephrir]

Huh mind if we go offtopic somewhat?

I'm feeling like discussing about chromatography, but not sure about the warnings

Post in GD dude

[Cephrir]

Ugh, without the restriction I'm posting too much. I'm gonna go do not this.

[Cephrir]

Huh mind if we go offtopic somewhat?

I'm feeling like discussing about chromatography, but not sure about the warnings

Post in GD dude

Who tf would talk about chromatography in GD?

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[Cephrir]

VOTE: Titus

[Cephrir]

How do you unironically call Titus a scum driven lynch then look at 13 votes on vorkuta for no reason at all and say yeah that's the wagon for me

[Cephrir]

A lot of the reasons for lynching Vork were in day 1. People just don't want to repeat things that have already been said.

I didnt know you could speak for everyone

[Cephrir]

How do you unironically call Titus a scum driven lynch then look at 13 votes on vorkuta for no reason at all and say yeah that's the wagon for me

I don’t recall Vork getting wave after wave of being pushed, which is what I’ve noticed on Titus. It tells me that the push on her isn’t genuine. I think there’s a slim chance Titus can still be scum but I’m certain scum are pushing her.

I bet you do VCA