Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

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Papa leaf I am gonna put in the work to get you lynched if ele flips scum here

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Hmm, let’s not forget that we nearly have a scum lynch here folks

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Papa leaf I am gonna put in the work to get you lynched if ele flips scum here

Pointless. I’m town.

Also pointless, because I wouldn’t have voted Elements needlessly earlier if I was going to just come off of it shortly after.

Also pointless, because if I were scum with Elements, there wouldn’t even be a wagon on Elements.

I mean you would because you believe in your scumgame enough to think that you could successfully divert the lynch off him and you get to make the argument that scum!you would never vote him needlessly just to come off

Let’s not act like this is something that’s not something you’d do as scum

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Let’s keep our votes on elements and ignore papa leaf’s attempts to derail this folks

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Papa leaf I am gonna put in the work to get you lynched if ele flips scum here

Pointless. I’m town.

Also pointless, because I wouldn’t have voted Elements needlessly earlier if I was going to just come off of it shortly after.

Also pointless, because if I were scum with Elements, there wouldn’t even be a wagon on Elements.

I mean you would because you believe in your scumgame enough to think that you could successfully divert the lynch off him and you get to make the argument that scum!you would never vote him needlessly just to come off

Let’s not act like this is something that’s not something you’d do as scum

Sure, but I’m also lazy, and that’s doing the most. I’d do the most so I could do the least, and that’s just doing too much.

Well I mean precisely this would set you up to do less later so it’s consistent with lazy!FL if we look at it from the broader perspective that we both know you would look at it from

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Let’s keep our votes on elements and ignore papa leaf’s attempts to derail this folks

Okay, then if Elements flips town, I get total immunity the rest of the game

Sure, wanna revote?

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FL won’t take the bargain because he knows ele flips scum which will give me the cred I need to get him lynched tomorrow

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Yes, I’m sure elements was your cop check of everyone in this game

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I miss when you were an enigma to me rather than an open book, papa leaf

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I’m a cop.

:shrug:

I don’t know what book you’re reading, but I sure didn’t write that.

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I’m going to need someone to take up the mantle of reminding everyone else that elements is scum that papa leaf is trying to redirect from

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I’ll claim flavor for you.

I’m Bobert the drunkard, ya fools

Ah yes, the classic DND archetype, town drunkard cop

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Alright, now listen here you chucklefuck, we’re lynching elements and after he flips scum we’re lynching you

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I hated that Titus vote from Elements but his reaction to the wagon is pretty good.

No, no it’s not. It’s entirely in line with what elements has done before as scum (check out 5p vengeful or Make Me Regret This)

Whats good about it?

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I’m caught up, elements is still scum

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I specifically do not like the way Mena responded to FL's push on Cephrir. It seemed over the top and unnecessarily concerned with squashing suspicion before it grew much at all.

It’s not that, it’s that FL is very very probably not a cop, so he’s claiming a fake guilty on ceph at exactly the time needed to distract away from elements which also gives people the chance to fade away as focus changes despite the fact that ele hasn’t really done anything that should eradicate the SRs on him

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He hasn’t been lighthearted at all towards me, and we like each other unless he started bolstering this eternal rivalry inside him and everything that comes out of my mouth makes him boil over in rage now.

I mean dude I think I’ve been lighthearted, like I wouldn’t say I’ve been a dick while pushing you, but you’re not town and idk why you would expect me to not push you

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TSE could be scum

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In fact, I think that’s quite likely at this point

Like I can get to why bingle or creature might vote me, in the vanishingly small number of worlds where FL is town him pushing me makes sense, but tse doesn’t

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I don’t really like chennis coming in, commenting on what’s going on, and then voting vork and leaving

ML is town I think but I’m slightly pinged by “get the wagon on mena to within 2 votes of leader and I’ll switch and push there” — think I got that right. ML, whats your read on me?

Not loving amrun’s “let’s just wagon something” at the point it came

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In fact, I think that’s quite likely at this point

Like I can get to why bingle or creature might vote me, in the vanishingly small number of worlds where FL is town him pushing me makes sense, but tse doesn’t

I don’t do I?
I think I made it pretty clear why I voted you.
What doesn’t make sense?
What do you feel I would do then?

I mean, no, you didn’t, but more importantly you have zero progression on my slot and what’s possible to infer makes no sense with your stance

You’ve not made any posts about me being scum prior to voting for me

In that, you simultaneously say “I wouldn’t mind a wagon here” and something about killing the strong scum off first

That doesn’t make sense together — if I’m strong scum, why are you limping on with such a non-commital statement as “I wouldn’t mind a wagon here”? Surely if you think I’m scum and strong at that you’d be advocating a lot more strongly

Also there’s the fact that you having a hard SR on me there literally doesnt make any sense given my reads and your own reads. Like I’ve expressed multiple times at least doubt on gamma and more than that on UT — the last time you interacted with me before voting me was to express interest in a UT lynch when I was shopping around on that

Why would you assume scum!me is bussing D2? Especially when you know for a fact that I don’t bus if avoidable (having made that point multiple times as town in nomination mafia, your only game-to-date with me)

So the only real reason for you to be SRing me is if you think I’m pushing a genuine town cop, and even then that I’m choosing to push that in bad faith? And that doesn’t make any sense because (1) if you’ve been paying attention at all you’ll know that anything papa leaf claims should be taken with a metric tonne of salt and (2) even if you think I’m pushing a town cop you’d still need an answer for why that’s bad faith that I’m doing it in rather than just not believing a claim that there is very good reason not to believe

So yeah, your push makes no fucking sense and you’re probably scum

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Is anyone TRing TSE on play rather than on wagonomics?

I think I heard one or two people say he wouldn’t out his ability so early as scum, what’s the explanation there again?

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I’m caught up,

Are you sure? B/c you either missed a q or just ignored it. Why was Vork campaigning for gov towny but FL wasn't?

I missed it but probably because I’ve already been asked and have answered this

The way in which vork and FL approached it felt totally different

Vork felt like he wanted it for memes and I think that came across — I don’t think he genuinely cared about governor beyond that

FL felt like he honestly wanted it, and I felt like he was really trying to get it. He’s given his reasons for this, I don’t believe them

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He got the Flavor Fever. I broke his heart in Pokémon Fusion U-Pick, and now he can’t ever look at me without getting the PTSD of ScumMe

or he's selectively scumhunting which is what I'm getting at and I think its scummy AF.

Do you wanna explain what you mean here?

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I mean I just think selective is a really weird way to describe my play given the number of different people I’ve pushed today

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that refers specifically to you having different reads on players for what I think is practically the same action.

Hmm okay I get that more

But this is why I wanted clarification because I don’t think it was as clear as you thought it was

Or I’m just dumb, maybe

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like if Vork still won, he'd still have the gov. Even if he was still campaigning as a joke he was still going to get a real action and he understood that. Doing something in the guise of a joke is still pretty scummy. And Vork has done shit all since the game started.

Maybe I’m more sympathetic because I just wanted it for memes and I know I’m town, so the “going after fox was inherently scummy even if joking” doesn’t quite cut the mustard with me

Idk I probably do need to reread vork since D1 but as I’ve said multiple times this just doesn’t feel like scum!vork to me

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I'm interested in knowing how you know anyone's role card except your own.

Some of us do detective work. Not sure what it is you do.

We got us an arrogant badass over here.

We've yet to flip any scum though and all you've done is vote for town so I'm going to take your reads with a large helping of salt.

You calling someone arrogant is pretty funny.

Town? I'm interested in knowing how you know anyone's role card except your own.

As much as I like circle jerking with you guys I would probably like a Lynch even more.

There is a magical power known as voting that you can use to make your dreams come true

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Is anyone TRing TSE on play rather than on wagonomics?

I think I heard one or two people say he wouldn’t out his ability so early as scum, what’s the explanation there again?

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By my count dave, 711, pine, fonz, xof, and kori are not voting

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It’s cool, we can always lynch tse if he doesn’t hammer

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so what am i meant to do if I have a thought after posting? Why is multiposting worse for the gamestate than a 20 page back and forth (which, realistically, could happen between multiple players in this game and would be just as negative)?

I play a lot on my phone, and part of the reason I multipost is because I post as things come to mind. Thoughts don’t necessarily come to mind simultaneously, but in sequence, and trying to wait for those thoughts to crystallise so that they can be delivered as a block will lead to me sounding unnatural and make it harder for me to town tell, thereby actively working against my wincon regardless of what my alignment is

I’m trying to cut down on multiposting, but this feels to me like an attempt to force players to play the way you want them to, despite that not being made clear from the offset of the game.

If multiposting is now banned, okay, it is how it is. But I object to that change for the reasons outlined here

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Why do you think gobble is scum, and why should I think that

you specifically

wouldn’t defend elements this hard if he’s scum with you?

Why do you think I’m scum here when fmpov I have v good reasons to believe you’re scum namely (1) your gov push felt genuinely agenda-y and I think your stated reasons sound implausible (2) you’ve appeared in thread only under mild pressure and then have done your level best to derail the ele lynch and (3) you lead the drew lynch yesterday?

I don’t think I would necessarily SR you that much on any one of those individual things, but collectively it seems reasonable and so it seems odd to me that you think my push on you is scummy/scum!motivated

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You wanna go back and check Everything is Completely Normal and see how hard hard protecting my scum buddies goes for me now? Especially with RCEnigma here.

I also don’t see how you don’t see that I was cop inno’d already, Menalque.

Not really, but I guess not great. So let’s flip ele and find out

Where were you cop inno’d? Did you not try to argue that you were cop inno’d for some weird meta reason?

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I don’t think saying to tse “who do you SR more out of vork/ele” is a good idea because then you’re giving the execute agency

The only reason to not lynch TSE is because there’s positive utility in not needing to fight to 18-19 votes for the next couple of days

Letting him choose defeats the purpose of that because if we have two wagons over threshold, one town one scum, he can execute town without repercussions

Tbh he’s probably a better lynch than ele (ftr: he completely ignored my mini case on him despite there being plenty of merit to it) but idk if we can get him done in time

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Lynch Elements. Elements flips scum. Lynch TSE for not executing. Then lynch Gamma for the lulz

+1

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Are you refusing to execute ele, TSE?

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Very simply, after he claims, will you execute ele?

It’s a yes or no question

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VOTE: TSE

This needs to happen with greater priority

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@pb we’re pivoting, can u help a boi out?

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that vote was super quick.
If Town doesn’t realize that the 3 instant votes in a row doesn’t contain at least 1 Scum in it.

I might just leave the game TBH.

mod

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Replacements, while sometimes necessary, also serve as an outside influence. As such, do not tell other players to replace out. Do not publicly threaten to replace out of a game. If you do need to replace out, do not publicly discuss your reasons or anything else, as you are no longer a player in the game. PM your game moderator if you are considering replacing out or have concerns and believe another player should be replaced out.

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@pb we need to lynch this today, can you switch pls?

We now need 19 and we only have 3 days and a half

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I don’t think that execute will happen as we had four switches onto tse

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P sure ele is at 8 rn

Whereas tse is at i think 9 so we need 10 more

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I’m lynching you because we’re never letting you stay in this game with that power unleashed

And the fact that you’ve already shown you’re not actually willing to be leashed means that your word is worthless now

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Creature, can u vote tse pls

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TrueSoulEnergy

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Aka execution boi

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Are we actually considering leaving a non-leasable execute ability in the game which is also at best independently scummy and at worst actual scum

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I mean while I don’t direct to titus like I object to vork, I think I’ve been pretty open about not wanting her lynched today

Counterpoint: why is it imperative to deal with titus today when we already have a much larger wagon on tse?

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"sacrificed to Orcus!" sounds like a sk/2nd scum team kill over him protecting anyone but he did flip BG so I understand why you guys think that.

Per the flavour, Chemist jumped in front of the red-haired elf. I'm fairly certain that means the Orcus-aligned SK/scum targeted the red-haired elf but the kill was intercepted by BG!Chemist.

Would it be a good idea for the red haired elf to flavour claim do we think?

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Gonna mention again that if we don’t lynch tse today we’re literally saying that we’re fine with having a non-leashable executioner running around. Ceph may be buddying me but his point about b having faith in town killing roles is good after last night

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I had no reason to push it while I thought he was leashable and said as much

I have reasons to be urgent now because it means needing an extra 9 votes vs what would be needed to lynch elements

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^gross

People are allowed to argue for the wagon they want

Who is gross?

the arrow indicates "the above post"

Well, yes, but I thought maybe it was the post above that. I don’t understand how your post relates to Miss a Lynch’s at all.

She was basically saying "if you dont vote the wagon I want you to, you're defending it and you're gonna look bad for it"

Pushing a different wagon isnt defending anyone

Well, it actually can be defending someone, especially if they eventually flip scum. But ok, I see what you’re saying. I just wanted to follow your reasoning.

@Menalque, I don’t think we are saying that by not lynching him TODAY. He definitely needs to go, though. I’m not too fussed if it’s today, tomorrow, etc. can’t reach endgame but if not today it’s not the end of the world.

So if you’re not too fussed then let’s lynch him today as he’s the largest wagon and we have other people who are saying they’re okay with lynching him but who are moving off

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Gonna mention again that if we don’t lynch tse today we’re literally saying that we’re fine with having a non-leashable executioner running around. Ceph may be buddying me but his point about b having faith in town killing roles is good after last night

I find it funny that you didn’t feel this way until I pushed you.
You will legit wanting me to lynch Elements.
You were like “will you execute Elements?”
And I said no as I believe both to be miss lynches.
Then you vote against me and try to lynch me because if it.
And what do you mean by “non-leashable”?
I’ve made it clear if one of my Scum reads such as Titus becomes the top wagon over 10 votes I will execute it.
What exactly do you not like about this?
Have you considered that mafia may have Day abilities as well?

I’ve already explained why your progression on me is trash and I note that you haven’t responded to that

“Leashed” means you have no agency over the execute, because that’s the only way to stop scum!you using it to manipulate lynches. You’ve made it clear that you won’t do this. If you’re not going to just execute the largest wagon, you’re by definition making choices unilaterally on who lives and who dies and there’s no way we’re letting you do that.

I mean maybe mafia have day abilities? So what? Maybe you’re the mafia day ability?

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Either you’re reading my posts or you’re not. If you’re reading me in good faith you should be reading my posts, and I’ve already explained elements

Also lol @thinking that you can get FL to get me to do anything

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“I’m going to execute the largest wagon, if I believe it to be scum”

This is literally the fucking definition of not being leashed. If you think we’re going to let you make decisions about what is and isn’t scum, then you’re high, or mad, or both. If you’re not going to lynch whatever the highest wagon is regardless of what you personally think of it, you need to die.

I don’t think ele will flip town but if he does, I’ll reevaluate. If he flips scum, I’m using the momentum I’ll get from lynching scum to lynch papa leaf probably.

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Stop quoting your fucking posts when I’m right here and in the middle of answering. It’s very annoying.

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"sacrificed to Orcus!" sounds like a sk/2nd scum team kill over him protecting anyone but he did flip BG so I understand why you guys think that.

Per the flavour, Chemist jumped in front of the red-haired elf. I'm fairly certain that means the Orcus-aligned SK/scum targeted the red-haired elf but the kill was intercepted by BG!Chemist.

Would it be a good idea for the red haired elf to flavour claim do we think?

Hmm, I'm not sure tbh.

In the event that the Orcus person is SK, then scum doesn't know the identity of the red-haired elf.

If scum is with Orcus, then they already know the identity of the red-haired elf + having the elf reveal will bring town up to their level of information.

Since we don't know which is which, it looks like 50/50 to me.

"sacrificed to Orcus!" sounds like a sk/2nd scum team kill over him protecting anyone but he did flip BG so I understand why you guys think that.

Per the flavour, Chemist jumped in front of the red-haired elf. I'm fairly certain that means the Orcus-aligned SK/scum targeted the red-haired elf but the kill was intercepted by BG!Chemist.

Would it be a good idea for the red haired elf to flavour claim do we think?

Also this is a bad idea.

Why is this a bad idea if orcus is scum, as EP mentioned?

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“I’m going to execute the largest wagon, if I believe it to be scum”

This is literally the fucking definition of not being leashed. If you think we’re going to let you make decisions about what is and isn’t scum, then you’re high, or mad, or both. If you’re not going to lynch whatever the highest wagon is regardless of what you personally think of it, you need to die.

I don’t think ele will flip town but if he does, I’ll reevaluate. If he flips scum, I’m using the momentum I’ll get from lynching scum to lynch papa leaf probably.

So I’m not entitled to push anyone?

Where did I ever say that? Push all you want, use your vote to try and make the wagon you want the top wagon. But if you’re saying (and you are, in fact, saying this) that you want to be able to disregard what the plurality of people want and follow your own reads with your power then you absolutely need to die.

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Menalque wanting a leash is very scummy.

Counterpoint: Dave not wanting to hard leash an execute ability is very scummy.

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I’ll try to cooperate with you despite me scum reading you.

I mean the first step here would be explaining how your progression on me makes any sense at all, something that I pointed out explicitly and that you’ve been steadfastly ignoring

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Well, y'all have fun wagoning my buddy. I can't vote for them no matter what, so, I'll just be over here in Flavortown.

why can't you vote for them?

Let’s lynch someone

Who?

VOTE: titus

These are his last 3 posts

Look me in the eye and tell me that titus is more likely scum between the two

Cephir’s probably scum which makes me not like the elements wagon.

Plus, I feel the axolotl is lynch bait.

I mean all my other SRs are on this wagon so I’m kind of using it as a scum litmus test

But I think most likely people are just bussing bc while I love elements he’s not the best scum player on site and if scum wanna bus for some towncred then he’s prob a solid option depending on the construction of the team

So I mean, this, plus the way his wagon became very difficult right after it became viable

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In fact, I think that’s quite likely at this point

Like I can get to why bingle or creature might vote me, in the vanishingly small number of worlds where FL is town him pushing me makes sense, but tse doesn’t

I don’t do I?
I think I made it pretty clear why I voted you.
What doesn’t make sense?
What do you feel I would do then?

I mean, no, you didn’t, but more importantly you have zero progression on my slot and what’s possible to infer makes no sense with your stance

You’ve not made any posts about me being scum prior to voting for me

In that, you simultaneously say “I wouldn’t mind a wagon here” and something about killing the strong scum off first

That doesn’t make sense together — if I’m strong scum, why are you limping on with such a non-commital statement as “I wouldn’t mind a wagon here”? Surely if you think I’m scum and strong at that you’d be advocating a lot more strongly

Also there’s the fact that you having a hard SR on me there literally doesnt make any sense given my reads and your own reads. Like I’ve expressed multiple times at least doubt on gamma and more than that on UT — the last time you interacted with me before voting me was to express interest in a UT lynch when I was shopping around on that

Why would you assume scum!me is bussing D2? Especially when you know for a fact that I don’t bus if avoidable (having made that point multiple times as town in nomination mafia, your only game-to-date with me)

So the only real reason for you to be SRing me is if you think I’m pushing a genuine town cop, and even then that I’m choosing to push that in bad faith? And that doesn’t make any sense because (1) if you’ve been paying attention at all you’ll know that anything papa leaf claims should be taken with a metric tonne of salt and (2) even if you think I’m pushing a town cop you’d still need an answer for why that’s bad faith that I’m doing it in rather than just not believing a claim that there is very good reason not to believe

So yeah, your push makes no fucking sense and you’re probably scum

But this is the post that’s more pertinent that you should be addressing

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So I mean, this, plus the way his wagon became very difficult right after it became viable

His wagon was remarkably easy at the beginning of the day until you said "wait are we sure we want to kill teh guy with the execute ability?"

"resistance" arguments are rarely arguments at all, just complaints taht it's too ahrd to lynch someone you wanna lynch

I’m... talking about elements here?

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I’m p sure that unofficial VC is wildly incorrect

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I’m p sure that unofficial VC is wildly incorrect

Retracted, I thought TSE had reached a higher peak and that less people had switched off

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Yeah, I just checked it myself

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ele, claim when you arrive because I’m gonna vote you and tse is gonna execute unless you got some really good shit to offer

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I think he’s at 9 and tse Can execute at 10?

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Ceph changed

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Unofficial VC

TrueSoulEnergy (7) - pisskop, Firebringer, KidAmn, Menalque, Cephrir, Pink Ball, BBmolla
Vorkuta (8) - Nero Cain, Bingle, Almost50, Elements, chennisden, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, EspressoPatronum
Elements (8) - Wooper, Titus, gobbledygook, Dr Easy Bake, zoraster, Rautherdir, Untrod Tripod, AaronFrost
Titus (6) - Iconeum, Dongempire, TrueSoulEnergy, Flavor Leaf, Amrun, Miss Lynch
Menalque - Creature
Flavor Leaf - Vorkuta

+ ceph = 9

+ me = 10

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Menalque wanting a leash is very scummy.

Counterpoint: Dave not wanting to hard leash an execute ability is very scummy.

Do you think davesaz is scum? Why/why not?

Eh conceivably

Didn’t like him today. His entrance and pushing away from TSE felt v convenient regardless of what tse flips. I hate the argument that we shouldn’t be leashing the execution power, I think that’s an obviously terrible idea. Don’t love that I was forgetting he was in the game.

On the other hand, skimming ISO made it look like he was maybe trying to sort on D1? And also his reason for not wanting to leash could be in good faith and just very wrong.

Basically uncertain and needs thinking about/brainpower that I don’t have/am not willing to aim there today while we have actual viable wagons to consider.

Also @EP, @miss lynch you never followed up about the red haired elf thing

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oh i get it now. ok.

We're still not killing elements today.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

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Also your argument about the elements wagon yielding resistance is hilarious. That wagon had less resistance than any wagon I think I've seen in several games, with the possible exception of TSE. It sprang up so quickly and gained ridiculous amounts of traction with almost no backing whatsoever. That was probably the fastest forming wagon of today.

Yes, it formed quickly. Then it slipped off and there has been a concerted effort by people including yourself and FL to ensure that it doesn’t happen today. Just because the formation was rapid, doesn’t change the fact that once it became viable the level of resistance sharply upshifted

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What’s the VC?

Don’t vote titus kori, we’re doing ele and miss lynch is just trying weirdly hard to derail it

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Ahh fuck it, I’m RHE I’m p sure

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Unofficial VC

TrueSoulEnergy (7) - pisskop, Firebringer, KidAmn, Menalque, Cephrir, Pink Ball, BBmolla
Vorkuta (8) - Nero Cain, Bingle, Almost50, Elements, chennisden, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, EspressoPatronum
Elements (8) - Wooper, Titus, gobbledygook, Dr Easy Bake, zoraster, Rautherdir, Untrod Tripod, AaronFrost
Titus (6) - Iconeum, Dongempire, TrueSoulEnergy, Flavor Leaf, Amrun, Miss Lynch
Menalque - Creature
Flavor Leaf - Vorkuta

+ ceph = 9

+ me = 10

@kori

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Also your argument about the elements wagon yielding resistance is hilarious. That wagon had less resistance than any wagon I think I've seen in several games, with the possible exception of TSE. It sprang up so quickly and gained ridiculous amounts of traction with almost no backing whatsoever. That was probably the fastest forming wagon of today.

Yes, it formed quickly. Then it slipped off and there has been a concerted effort by people including yourself and FL to ensure that it doesn’t happen today. Just because the formation was rapid, doesn’t change the fact that once it became viable the level of resistance sharply upshifted

It slipped off over time just like every other wagon this game.

EVERY
OTHER
WAGON

You're right, Flavor Leaf and myself are the only things providing resistance, and I wasn't even providing resistance earlier. Do you think we're scum? That's the only case in which that argument even makes sense.

I’ve already said that I think FL is prob!scum and honestly I was TRing you until what I consider a really weird resistance to lynching ele here and now I’m not sure anymore

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so both pk and ceph have moved over since that VC, meaning that tse is -2 and ele is +2

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I mean you’re aware that I’m like semi-conftown now right

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That was @tse

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That was @tse

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Why would I take your bet when I don’t need your vote to get the lynches I want esp as tse might decide to get fucky about it if he knows the bet exists

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Being targeted by a probably SK doesn’t make you conftown, Mena, if it was even you.

Korina, I have role-related results that says one of Fonz, UT, Titus, gobble, or Pink Ball is a killer of town. Gobble is a friendly neighbor, pink ball has claimed 3P, and Fonz and UT are simply pretty townish at this point. Titus, on the other hand, has been lurking and not attempting to solve the game. Her reaction to my push on her was very scummy.

P-edit: Nero Cain, why do you say that?

Depends on whether orcus is scum or sk. It could be sk which is why I prefaced “conftown” with “semi-“

Is the most logical explanation there not Pb?

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one of me and mena are scum and its not me so...

I’m surprised you would do this tbh, esp when I think it’s much more likely chem would target me than you and I’m guessing that if I look at his ISO that will be confirmed

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one of me and mena are scum and its not me so...

I’m surprised you would do this tbh, esp when I think it’s much more likely chem would target me than you and I’m guessing that if I look at his ISO that will be confirmed

Who do you think shot at you?

Not sure

PB would quite possibly shoot me but I don’t think he’s scum

I can see FL shooting me specifically in this PL, esp if bingle ever flips scum, although I think RCE would be somewhat more likely unless he’s confident he could pocket

Ele might shoot me but I doubt he’d have been leading on who the NK would be

Could also see chenn shooting me, but idk if I was suspicious of him at that point or not

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Oh, and EP potentially would but I think he’s town so

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Icon and titus also might but I think they’d both have more high priority targets

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one of me and mena are scum and its not me so...

I find it weird that your mind went here rather than wondering if there could be more than one RHE in the game tbh

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Full disclosure I skimmed the flavour too so I only realised when EP started going on about it

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I liked RCE’s point, I don’t like the way bingle is defending Dave and I couldn’t be fucked to fight him heads up if he wants to shade me

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how can we solve this game

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*yawn*

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Nero I honestly have no idea what you’re wittering on about

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It’s very hard to tell rn if this is just atrocious townplay or if you’re actually scum

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But okay, let’s play:

Who do you think tried to shoot you?

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I mean I think I probably shouldn’t endgame because it’s now a WIFOM of would cult recruit someone they know is unlikely to endgame? But like equally, I think I’m town on play, I think I was TR enough yesterday that scum would plausibly kill me, especially in the people I mentioned

I don’t think knowing my role is particularly useful to town and when I do eventually get flipped then you’ll see why. I think revealing it is prob neg EV

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I think the main thing is there’s not a lot of reason for scum to kill town!nero imo

I also don’t get why nero was set on needing to CC from the beginning instead of wondering whether there could be multiple RHEs in the game aka the main reason I’m not lockscumming him here

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remind me of your d1 scum reads mena?

Fucked if I know but I think I had jeebies about both FL and pb at different points

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I think the main thing is there’s not a lot of reason for scum to kill town!nero imo

I am painfully obv town and I'm prob have a correct scum read or 2. Why would anyone kill you?

I also don’t get why nero was set on needing to CC from the beginning instead of wondering whether there could be multiple RHEs in the game aka the main reason I’m not lockscumming him here

You aren't lock scumming me b/c you know you'd lose that 1v1. Even if I was to somehow to get lynched over you I am flipping town and you and everyone that voted me would be under a shit ton of pressure. I think the entire idea that I should believe that there are multiple RHE's in the game instead of thinking that you'd fake claim RHE for potential town cred doesn't make all that much sense to me. Why should I believe what benefits you the most?

(1) you’re not
(2) because i was being very broadly TR and I think any of the people I specifically mentioned when you asked me would potentially kill me
(3) no, i don’t think I would actually, especially considering the fact that chem’s ISO much more strongly implies that he protected me and I don’t really think you have that much currency in the game. Why would I fakeclaim RHE when I’m under no pressure? Why does that come from scum!me?

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the fact Mena thinks a hard claimed 3rd party is town shows how little attention he's paying to this game. Of course, the flip side is Mena did know PB was scum but doesn't want to anger him and there's a shit-ton of scum motivation in that.

When I say pb is town I’m not saying I think he has a blue pm, I’m saying I believe he’s townsiding for now

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P sure fish never SR me?

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The entirety of chem’s interaction w/Nero:

title still says election so I’m assuming it still is

Yeah, lets not just assume the mod forgot to fix that part of the thread.

yeah, on 2nd thought this post is super scummy. Its Chenn trying to avoid the game. Although you could argue that scum him wouldn't be that blatantly scummy.

Lets power lynch wooper.

if I wanted to straight-up ignore the game I’d say that I had a headache from hitting my head on a speaker, which was accurate

I was just poking the mod

Chem’s early read followed by being the person he interacted with the most in the rest of his ISO:

Also Zor flipped the lag switch on again so he’s def scum

this is another locktown post

"town" core:
chem
ij711
elements
xof

actual townread:
menal

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Asked and answered

There’s no benefit to claiming it on a later day, I thought it was prob me who was targeted, I couldn’t be bothered to fight bingle if he was gonna come in and try to shade me re: dave

Have you got any response for why chem would protect you over me given his ISO very obviously pointing towards him protecting me?

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We’re not lynching me and we’re not lynching Nero

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I think nero is actually probably town from this

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Yes, and I suspect this means there is more than one RHE in the game bc I don’t see scum!nero lol CCing me when chem’s iso pretty obviously points to me as being the protect

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I think this is much more likely to be town!nero going “derp, mena is claiming RHE,

I

am a red haired elf, therefore mena must be scum haha gottem” without checking chem’s ISO

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Claim or we’re lynching you for sure

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Who did you target last night? Are you gated? What race are you? What’s your name?

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We could potentially gate him by getting him to kill tse which solves two problems with one bullet

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Why didn’t you shoot? What’s the rest of your flavour?

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Like what’s your story for how you ended up in the town? Also, Dumein is your full name?

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Why didn’t you shoot last night?

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Genuinely have no idea what issue anyone could take with that post, but you love to call basic mafia theory scummy, so hey, go for it

+1

Nero can u stop, i think you’re tunnelled badly on ceph and I can’t even remember why you think he’s scum?

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Are you willing to be gated?

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We give you a list of targets to shoot within

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As in we tell you who to shoot within

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I’m not saying I want to individually gate him

I’m saying I’d like us to collectively gate him

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Yeah, vork or titus today

@miss lynch, we gucci

I’d like to gate him to shoot within (vork, titus, TSE, wooper, kori, chenn, pine, zor)

Basically main wagons plus lurk slots

I’d like to gate him bc I’m not persuaded he’s town

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I’m not saying I want to individually gate him

I’m saying I’d like us to collectively gate him

surely the general conensi scum reads would be the effective "gate" anyway?

Well yes basically, but I’d like to have it be explicit

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VOTE: titus

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Why is zor conftown again?

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I’m not really interested in having icon shot as he’ll be replaced

Dong has been producing content, deb and fb can both be included tho

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I'd add Creature as well and kid

Also okay with this

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why titus.

shes just a nonpresence.

I don’t súper think she’s scum but I’m also not that convinced we can pivot before deadline and there are gonna be questions lingering for fucking ages so I’d rather just lynch her as I don’t strongly think she’s town and some of my townreads think she’s scum

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That was a mouthful

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Not vork?

Also I don’t want pine on given him being ill IRL. We could always add him on future days if he doesn’t start producing anything when recovered

And again, icon shouldn’t be on that list as he’s in line to be replaced I think

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You’re speaking my language pk

VOTE: chenn

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TSE i think I’m still waiting for you to explain your progression on my slot

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I’m not talking about that I’m talking about where you started spontaneously scumreading me for no reason

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Yeah Chennis is scum.

so he is town then?

lol

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There was a bit where chenn entered, kinda ignored everything that was going on, and then voted and I thought that was scummy

Like avoiding getting involved while still doing something that he could claim showed he was taking a stance/doing things

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The spritely little Halfling girl rushed through the city streets. She bumped into a dark-haired Human woman and got whatever she was holding in the goblet all over her new shirt.

"Oh! I'm so terribly sorry, miss. Excuse me. May I he--"

Before she could continue offering help in cleaning this mistake, the little one shrugged it off and kept on with her otter in tow. They had something of equal effort as it was important to give to someone special. The Human smiled. Was it a mistake?

ok yeah, this is me.

Err, what?

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I’m just happy warmpupper is here again tbh

I missed u warmpupper

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I targetted Bingle n1 so yeah.

But you claimed red headed elf...?

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Nero did u just flavour slip?

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Excuse u his name is not firedog

Leave toastywoofer alone

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This is just fucking weird

Your flavour doesn’t say that you’re a halfling?

Cause mine explicitly says I’m an elf even if the red haired bit is from my picture

And like you didn’t check your flavour before CCing me?

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Lavadoggo?

Heatbarker?

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Blisteringtummyrubber?

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Warmpupper is adorable tho

Also my phone’s autocorrect has now learned it

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Fieryborker?

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Also now we’re all here have I ever mentioned how much I fucking love conference pears?

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lol Cain, u calling everyone who calls u fishy as scum, is like not scumhunting. I don't know what u been doing this game if u are town, but like yeah. That post is def not fake.

Mena been

pretty

exceptionally townie.

Ftfy

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I miss alibae

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Can u poison dave firewoofer?

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like the idea that you'd hero vig

the most active player [thats actually playing and not trolling it up]

instead of a lurker seems like not town play.

lol

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Whats a read haired elf
Vote Titus

It’s a me! Also the person who chem body guarded against the orcus kill last night

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Can u poison dave firewoofer?

P sure davesaz is town. Didn't you say he was null earlier?

Idk maybe? But he moved up to a scumlean

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I would like it if we could not vig slots that will be replaced

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if Dave is now a scumlean for you mena why wasn't he on your list?

I’d like to gate him to shoot within (vork, titus, TSE, wooper, kori, chenn, pine, zor)

Bc I was trying to get a list that we could agree on and didn’t think he’d be agreed on?

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So you put a guy on your list that has a hider check on him but you wouldn't put a mainly inactive player on there, got it.

I don’t know who the second person is but I think the first is zor?

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Jesus Christ Nero, I actually think you’re town so I’m trying to be patient with you but Christ it’s frustrating

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I’d forgotten that zor was the hider check, dave had been active but seemed to be picking up and also I’m p sure there were people TRing him so I didn’t think there would be consensus to have him in the vig pool

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I’m finding it frustrating because thinking I would intentionally put zor on my list with a hider check on him as mafia is just dumb. I’m not gonna just pop someone who’s got a check on them and then claim whoops as scum. Like it’s possible I forget as scum, but trying to make this out as scummy is weird. Obviously not a list that everyone would agree with but which would receive broad agreement. Of those who are active, in p sure that dave was being TR by at least some and I don’t feel strongly enough about it to fight to have him on the list, and also don’t think the vig list should be determined by any one individual person

I don’t see how pushing a maybe town vig is scum!indicative for me at all, and I haven’t pushed a false slip I’ve pointed out that it’s weird and then not pushed you over it

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Who’s the other lynch I championed? Drew? That was much more led by others, I just didn’t believe the PGO claim as it was always gonna be unverifiable

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I find dave’s progression very screwy and I think it’s weird he’s pushing at me given what he’s said

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While I don't like Menalque's delivery, this

might

be town. If it's for the reason I think it is.

Pedit: by pressuring. You've made your case and there are 38 more people you need to get a read on.

While I don't like Menalque's delivery, this

might

be town. If it's for the reason I think it is.

I specifically dislike the method.
I also feel the target of that method is the wrong target. We do however need a big wagon or six.

For some reason she'd double her efforts this evening. Even she doesn't understand why.

I had spotted several likely clues in the events of the previous evening, but this one was certainly the clearest.

A lot can be gleaned from the write up.

Doubtful that orcus is town given the NK flavor. But we won't know until someone flips with that.

ok Dave, who made the kills last night and why are we not lynching them?

I think the one that had Orcus flavor is from groupscum and the other one is SK or equivalent.
Doesn't help yet with who, but it tells us what to expect.
If there is a vig out there they should also have gleaned information from it.

The overall writeup has a bunch more information. I'm not the type of person who starts pointing out PRs so that's the most you're going to get right now.

Menalque wanting a leash is very scummy.

Leave yourself out of the "we" and I might allow it.

I'm gonna answer the question that I expect to come up from 7162 without even refreshing the page, using the quick reply. So I have no idea if anyone has even asked this, but...

I read Menalque as highly manipulative. I don't care how towny he feels himself to be, or how towny others feel him to be. He's too pushy at a point in the game that we don't know alignments yet. That's being manipulative, regardless of alignment, and I don't like it. Let things flow.

So the NK flavour implies that orcus is scum, the fact that flavour is important has been pointed out multiple times by you, you thought I was potentially town on D0/1 whenever that post was from... but you’re pushing me despite me having been the kill target from what you believe to be groupscum?

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I'm gonna answer the question that I expect to come up from 7162 without even refreshing the page, using the quick reply. So I have no idea if anyone has even asked this, but...

I read Menalque as highly manipulative. I don't care how towny he feels himself to be, or how towny others feel him to be. He's too pushy at a point in the game that we don't know alignments yet. That's being manipulative, regardless of alignment, and I don't like it. Let things flow.

+1

Elements is also a thinking being, plenty capable of making his own decision as far as the kill is concerned. Unless he specifically asks for your input, you're simply giving away more information than you have to or probably should from an optimal game standpoint, and it implies general disrespect for Elements' judgement by implying that he can't think for himself from a human being standpoint.

Why are you assuming that elements is actually a town vig rather than another killing role claiming town vig?

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Why are you assuming that elements is actually a town vig rather than another killing role claiming town vig?

Why are you not?

Because I don’t TR you on play (self-evidently, or I wouldn’t have pushed you to be lynched) and you happen to have claimed one of the few roles for which there is a big incentive to keep you alive? But mostly the first point

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@mena, the BG on you doesn't confirm you.

It should confirm me in dave’s eyes if he believes (as he said) that the orcus kill flavour is from groupscum

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@miss lynch

I have a slight tendency towards omgus if I think the push is bad faith and unsurprisingly I often think the push is in bad faith when I’m town unless I’ve done something egregiously scummy. This game I don’t think I have, so yes, I’m slightly iffy on slots pushing me. Especially now when I’m at worst the person targeted by SK and quite probably the intended scum kill if orcus is the scumkill flavour.

You’re also soinning this weirdly. FL started to push me as scum after I pushed him — the only omgus there is him onto me. Ditto with amrun, I think. You I’ve been mixed on. I mostly TRd you and still sort of do but I’m confused by where you’re coming from and that’s making me reconsider. I don’t get why you chose to fight me so hard on ele if you didn’t have a preference, and I don’t get why you’re coming after me now.

I also find it weird that you’re saying I have no preference about who gets lynched when I very clearly fought for elements/FL/tse and agaisnt titus/vork. Now that it looks like FL won’t be lynched, we have a verifiable claim from ele, and there is some sort of consensus on vigging TSE rather than burning a lynch there I’m less inclined to fight back on vork/titus but even then I’m still expressing my preference between the two on titus and once chenn came up (who I’ve already mentioned scumreading) I took the chance to vote him to get a wagon going even if I haven’t been pushing him as hard.

It’s also vaguely ironic given that I think I’ve expressed preferences within the same range of slots as you, yet you’re gonna finish your post saying that I don’t care who gets lynched while saying you’d go within 6 slots.

Re: elements — okay, so if he is a 3p, why is town vig a complex claim for him? In which case, yes, we should be leashing it. I’ll grant you that he’s maybe less likely to be groupscum, that’s a fair point.

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Do we have plurality lynch?

No

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no, I disliked EP's early posting about TSE today and Mena went to bat for him, that's about all.

I think he made a post that was very obviously town D1

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Would actually be good if miss lynch could case me bc I think she was TRing me before and it would help me to see if I believe her progression on me

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as does Icon and Dong and just for shits and giggles, DEB

Is this a scumlist?

It’s for a gated vig list for ele

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Why is ceph scum?

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Creature now you’re here can u explain why you voted me and then disappeared a few days ago

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Don’t want icon shot because for about the 4th time today, that slot will be replaced and it’s a waste

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Why is ceph scum?

Trying too much to be a normie

You think him doing a voluntary pr for about 100 pages is him trying too hard to be a normie? Or since then?

Idk I thought he was scummy on like ~D1 or maybe on D0 but he’s firmed up for me

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Tell you what, answer my question or find it for yourself in my ISO

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In all seriousness we do need a debate between candidates before day 1.

If Mena doesn't happen, I would also vote FL. FL's unrecruitable claim could make him a good governor choice.

VOTE: FormerFish

I want someone to have the governor power + FFs explanation of his challenge sounds towny.

I could be persuaded to vote for TSE, but I can't see myself voting for chenn..

Pushing for lurkers is always a bit contentious, but ask yourself this -- if we don't vote them now, when will we vote them?

I'd lynch so many players b4 Amrun

Like....?

Doctor Drew
Untrod Tripod
The Fonz
Pine
Virgo the Immaculate
Jadesmar
Alisae
Rick Dalton

All of these but especially the last one

Like pushing to vote lurkers and then looking at the people who had the lowest posts despite not realising two of them are other people in the game is just so incredibly obvtown and lacking in agenda

Like it’s all townposting but the last one is locktownable

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7206

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It’s him being oblivious about the fact that FL is lying that makes it towny

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Virgo is titus
A50 replaced jadesmar

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Not really

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At least, I don’t remember him doing anything so it’s prob safe to say he didnt

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Why can’t we wagon Chen?

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I’d quite like one of dave/miss lynch/amrun to case me because I think it’ll be a lot harder to do than it is to just throw shade in my direction and give me clear arguments on why I’m scummy and where that I can actually argue with

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Is anyone up for a gamma wagon?

I just feel like we’re already very late in day and we’ve already had a semi switch onto chenn

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Also I struggle to read gamma a lot and I think I’m more likely to be right on chenn

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I mean I said semi-switch

We could have 5 if you’d change

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Look, Creature, I voted where I did because I know we have deadline in only like 2 days, and if voting one of the two wagons means we actually get a lynch I feel good with, then I would love to do that and actually focus on the people I actively don't feel good about when there's more time for people to be on there. I would so much rather a lynch like Gamma, or Amrun, or Titus right now, but I was being realistic on the odds of making it happen being fairly low.

Titus is/was just as viable as vork, why didn’t/don’t you vote there?

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Where was this extensive discussion because I missed it apparently? Also doesn’t change the fact that even if it’s not consensus that orcus is groupscum flavour (I still think it’s p likely) dave

does

and yet is still shading the person who he thinks groupscum tried to kill

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Day 2 Vote Count 2.4

TrueSoulEnergy (7) -

pisskop, Miss Lynch, Untrod Tripod, Gamma Emerald, Firebringer, chennisden, AaronFrost

Vorkuta (6) -

Rautherdir, Nero Cain, Bingle, gobbledygook, EspressoPatronum, BBmolla

Virgo the Immaculate (5) -

Amrun, Wooper, Cephrir, Menalque, Iconeum

Rautherdir -

KidAmn, InsideJob711, Creature

Flavor Leaf -

Vorkuta, Dr Easy Bake

Elements -

Pink Ball

AaronFrost is v/la until Nov 22
Pine is v/la until Nov 21

It is now day two. 37 alive, 19 lynch.
You have (expired on 2019-11-26 19:30:00) left in this phase.

Yes this doesn’t sound at all like flavour that would be groupscum

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Orcus was typically described as having the head and legs of a goat, although with ram-like horns, a bloated body, bat-like wings, and a long tail.

Orcus cared for nothing save himself—not even his devotees and undead servants—and focused only on spreading misery and evil. One of his most identifiable symbols was the artifact known as the Wand of Orcus, a skull-topped wand with the power to slay any living being. Orcus also wielded a powerful artifact known as the Orcusword.

Source: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Orcus

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Orcus was typically described as having the head and legs of a goat, although with ram-like horns, a bloated body, bat-like wings, and a long tail.

Orcus cared for nothing save himself—not even his devotees and undead servants—and

focused only on spreading misery and evil

. One of his most identifiable symbols was the artifact known as

the Wand of Orcus, a skull-topped wand with the power to slay any living being

. Orcus also wielded a powerful artifact known as the Orcusword.

Source: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Orcus

This isn’t very likely groupscum flavour how exactly?

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@miss lynch

I have a slight tendency towards omgus if I think the push is bad faith and unsurprisingly I often think the push is in bad faith when I’m town unless I’ve done something egregiously scummy. This game I don’t think I have, so yes, I’m slightly iffy on slots pushing me. Especially now when I’m at worst the person targeted by SK and quite probably the intended scum kill if orcus is the scumkill flavour.

You’re also soinning this weirdly. FL started to push me as scum after I pushed him — the only omgus there is him onto me. Ditto with amrun, I think. You I’ve been mixed on. I mostly TRd you and still sort of do but I’m confused by where you’re coming from and that’s making me reconsider. I don’t get why you chose to fight me so hard on ele if you didn’t have a preference, and I don’t get why you’re coming after me now.

I also find it weird that you’re saying I have no preference about who gets lynched when I very clearly fought for elements/FL/tse and agaisnt titus/vork. Now that it looks like FL won’t be lynched, we have a verifiable claim from ele, and there is some sort of consensus on vigging TSE rather than burning a lynch there I’m less inclined to fight back on vork/titus but even then I’m still expressing my preference between the two on titus and once chenn came up (who I’ve already mentioned scumreading) I took the chance to vote him to get a wagon going even if I haven’t been pushing him as hard.

It’s also vaguely ironic given that I think I’ve expressed preferences within the same range of slots as you, yet you’re gonna finish your post saying that I don’t care who gets lynched while saying you’d go within 6 slots.

Re: elements — okay, so if he is a 3p, why is town vig a complex claim for him? In which case, yes, we should be leashing it. I’ll grant you that he’s maybe less likely to be groupscum, that’s a fair point.

I was the very first person in the thread to espouse suspicion of you in pregame, let alone day 1, well before you even noticed me. My “not town” read on you has always been peripheral, and even now, not interesting in lynching you though I agree your play is manipulative.

Accusing me of OMGUS is absolutely ridiculous. Are you even still SR me? I was under the impression you were not.

P-edit: yes, which sounds very singular, and not groupscum at all, just like the flavor write up from pregame.

I will check that. I thought I’d SR you first.

I’ve been going back and forth on you. Like the reasons that I originally SR you didn’t disappear but you seemed like you were being proactive so I softened on it a lot.

Also, I thought you literally just said that you were okay with lynching me today?

I also dislike your interactions with Dave where you seem to be both just mutually reinforcing the other and have been all game.

I’ll think about what you’re saying re: orcus. But I think Orcus is not actual cult flavour and it seems weirdly OP for 3p/sk who I can’t see as being that likely to kill me anyway unless it’s literally pb is sk.

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I also felt like you were TRing me so suddenly coming out with “I’d lynch mena” felt very out of the blue

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Uhh Mena what's your FL read now?

Less scum than before if elements is town

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Like I’m not sold on him being town but I’m no longer hard!scum if ele is town

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I don’t think FL pockets elements over pocketing you or me

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Okay, so flavour wise:

I think it makes sense that groupscum flavour (with groupscum being the big bad so to speak) would be the first to get introduced. Following on from that, orcus is literally "the most monstrous evil in the game" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus_( ... 6_Dragons)) which seems to me to be more powerful than what would make sense as 3p

Finally there’s a cult of orcus in DnD so I think it makes sense that you have the following him and supporting him even as he/his minion is the one who actually does the killing?

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I don’t think FL pockets elements over pocketing you or me

He would if he were informed.


I mean, I def see why you'd say this, but a vig is def worth directing as scum

Okay, yes, that’s a fair point I guess but doesn’t seem like the most likely explanation of his behaviour

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Like literally most of the game @miss lynch

Also where did you case me?

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That’s not a case un my book that’s just you saying things and also it’s already dealt with so I’ll leave it

I just skimmed your ISO and yeah, fair enough, I was extrapolating from similar reads at points that you would be TRing me but you weren’t as it turned out

Still think you’re probably town from a few of the posts in your ISO so I’m not gonna bothering fighting you here