Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Iconeum]

Rawrr!!!

[Iconeum]

I was trying to find some variation of "he said what we were all thinking" or "he's brave for telling the truth" in gif form but i didn't find anything good in the 3 minutes i was searching

9 roses, not what I expected.

VOTE: Aaron

i was promised a bloodbath, instead i've got a hottub full of roses? what is this?

Calling it now the scum team is literally datisi, SS

There's 3 scum tho

Only scum would notice such a glaring omission

VOTE: Datisi

Not really? But Menal might have townslipped there

Oh, wtf. It’s Salamence. Neat.

SS, I’m getting scum vibes from you. I don’t think I’m right by any means, but I feel we’re about to be on different sides of the shift. (Not alignment wise, gamestate wise) However, it could be leftover from the last Guns/Roses.

I for one

love

bad puns. You gotta go for the bad ones to test the audience. Sometimes ya hit, sometimes ya miss.

I don't like this post. Don't understand the need for this callout, especially if you say it's not AI?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: datisi

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

i don't know

I feel like it was a townslip from menal, but datisi is known for

knowing

stuff.

[Iconeum]

So GuiltyLion is going with the 'Datisi is scum because she knows how many scum are in game and corrected someone on it' approach?

[Iconeum]

do you see/agree with what I'm saying about how her comment is kinda awkward in that she's making a joke about something that might be a townslip yet not addressing that it might be a townslip

this is the main item that makes me doubt here

It was a pretty Obvious townslip and dats ignored that part

[Iconeum]

Also mathematically speaking Icon's scum here 60% of the time

and his recent posts make me think it's >60% so
VOTE: Icon

i'm very much town this game thank you very much

[Iconeum]

Dats, I was trying to determine if it was AI at all of you to call 3 scumteam out like that, and came to the conclusion that ur someone that is extremely aware as either allignment of the setup. Thus NAI. Then I tried figuring if Guilty's push on you is in good faith or not.

Come, let's find out if we can get that % above 70 or not

[Iconeum]

If I was committed to pushing/shading you on that, I would go for it and push you for it. As it stands, I unvoted already.

[Iconeum]

do you see/agree with what I'm saying about how her comment is kinda awkward in that she's making a joke about something that might be a townslip yet not addressing that it might be a townslip

this is the main item that makes me doubt here

It was a pretty Obvious townslip and dats ignored that part

why do you see it as an obvious townslip and not as a joke?

I feel like it was a townslip from menal, but datisi is known for

knowing

stuff.

Again, what do these two have to do with each other? Why couldn't it have been both? And what exactly do you mean by me ~*knowing*~ stuff?

Can you answer me these two then please? And the "dats ignored that part" makes me feel like you're trying to throw shade.

Why not a joke? I don't know. I didn't read it as a joke. I think if ur scum, and fully aware of 3p scumteam, you don't post it like that. It felt too fluent.

Also, it could be both town!menal townslip AND town!you just immediately pointing it out. But it's interesting enough to discuss.
Already answered the knowing part thing

[Iconeum]

Can we wagon someone?

sure

VOTE: Salamence

ChooChoo

[Iconeum]

It might be too early for this, but I do get the feeling that he's not approaching this game with a solvey mindset. RVS be RVS, but after he posts a scummy feeling on AF, with no real pressure or intent to solve it.

Posting stuff like 'waiting for smt to happen' while having a scumread that ur not pushing or engaging with is mehhhh

[Iconeum]

um no ChooChoo this way

VOTE: Creature

you can just buss your partner here tho, it's what all cool scum do

[Iconeum]

Alim, why the skitty reaction to my choochoo?

[Iconeum]

ok

Salim or Alim, the first one of you to give us the name of your partner will be allowed to live into LYLO, at which point you shall be lynched. We apologize for having to put you through this process, but at least you can live a couple more days. After all, it's not our fault you rolled scum.

Speak

[Iconeum]

salamance, ignorant = scum

y/n?

[Iconeum]

why do you call me mislynch bait every single game

[Iconeum]

VOTE: AaronFrost

Can we wagon someone?

VOTE: Samelance

Salimance and alidya are both scum

Now need a third

VOTE: AaronFrost

Creature, what was this? Did you have a legit scumread on AF (which I don't see how) or were you just trying to get a wagon going?

I had a somewhat legit scumread on AF and probably still have

This entire sequence of posts is gross and inconsistent.

If you're scumreading me right now then why didn't you mention me in 176? What's your reason for scumreading me?

This is valid.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Iconeum

Even if Icon is considered 'mislynchable' I'm still going to push actions I find scummy and right now I'm not a fan of it giving Mena towncred for something he shouldn't get towncred for.

I think it was a pretty Obvious townslip. We can discuss how likely it is that he faked this as scum, but it's definitely there.

[Iconeum]

Why not a joke? I don't know. I didn't read it as a joke. I think if ur scum, and fully aware of 3p scumteam, you don't post it like that. It felt too fluent.

I still don't think it was a Townslip. And am I then NAI for that interaction or not?

Your reaction is NAI. Him joking about the scumteam is probably NAI. I saw something. I called it out. Make of it what you will.
Some of you are acting like I hard-townread him for that slip, which isn't true.

[Iconeum]

the case is he's making scummy posts, especially with how he reacted to and exaggerated Creature's posts around him and the way he's shading Ico for townreading Menalque

I don't think his post about Creature was exaggerated, i like that one.

[Iconeum]

I'm townreading Sala, Menalque, Dogwatch, Creature, S_S, Ico. I don't think the Ico wagon is very good and would like to make another attempt to kickstart the AF one

Explain Salamence, Dogwatch and Creature for me.

I don't see a lot of scum!agenda AF here. This is town trying to sort.

[Iconeum]

the case is he's making scummy posts, especially with how he reacted to and exaggerated Creature's posts around him and the way he's shading Ico for townreading Menalque

That's... not at all my problem with Icon. My issue is the reason he's townreading Menalque, because of a 'townslip' that isn't actually a townslip.

I'm confused how you don't see the inconsistency in Creature's posts. Knowing how Creature plays, I assumed the naked vote on me was serious, but then in 176 he says both Salamence and alimdia are scum and 'now I need a third' implying he doesn't know who the third is. Then he later confirms the vote was serious.

Like okay there's your third then. Why did you omit that?

This again. I can see what AF is talking about wrt to Creature. Creature's progression doesn't make sense and yet AF is on the rooster for this?

[Iconeum]

Yo icon wanna do me a favour

i've already sent you the pics

might wanna check spam folder

[Iconeum]

VOTE: AaronFrost

His posts read very forced. His progression on creature also sucks.

This post is very forced. This progression on AF also sucks.

[Iconeum]

The one thing that I can see is off with AF is that he chose to vote me for talking about a potential townslip from Menal, over his actual scumread in Creature.

[Iconeum]

I think I like this more than Aaron actually

VOTE: amrun

ahhh yes

[Iconeum]

But like, do u also wanna do me an ingame favour?

oh ehmm awkward…

yeah sure

[Iconeum]

ur gonna ask me to vote amrun, right?

[Iconeum]

what's he at right now?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Amrun

[Iconeum]

Amrun's hopping on AF wagon was dirty

[Iconeum]

need more votes on amrun

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

Don't really want to do Amrun anymore. I think this is a better vote for today.

VOTE: Guilty Lion

His hop on the Amrun wagon was gross and I agree lack of a counterwagon is unsettling.

Have you seen Amrun's voting? And you don't think it's at least equally gross?

[Iconeum]

VoteCount 1.4

amrun [4] - Datisi, Iconeum, GuiltyLion, Creature
GuiltyLion [5] - texcat, Amrun, AaronFrost, Salamence20, Dogwatch
texcat [1] - DrDolittle
DrDolittle [1] - Menalque

Not Voting [3]

- Something_Smart, Pretentious, alimdia

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-12-11 13:35:31)

The GL wagon is made of really really fluid poop

[Iconeum]

And also, Amrun should always be the lynch today.

If we lynch anyone else, it won't even matter what they flip, Amrun is still gonna be hot tomorrow. Better off lynching today and working from there (with wagon information from today). I know a bunch of players who are gonna look pretty ropey if Amrun flips red.

It's just the best lynch.

[Iconeum]

salamence I seriously doubt you can truthfully call my play both noob and coasting in the same sentence

either you think it's noob!town, or scum!coasting. If you think it's noob!town!coasting, then it doesn't make sense you request a vigshot on me.

Actually, since you *are* requesting my slot to be vigged, you must believe it's noob!scum!coasting.

And thus your post makes no sense from a town PoV

[Iconeum]

Like I have a high confidence in getting to a correct read on datisi (ftr I’ve read here right every game we’ve had together since our first) and I don’t see scum her yet

Like maybe a little from the hesitance to be in thread but she’s still a tonal TL so I’m not willing to go there today

But I know ur worried about the fact that Datisi is

not quite

in her town meta as she usually is when town

And also, Amrun should always be the lynch today.

If we lynch anyone else, it won't even matter what they flip, Amrun is still gonna be hot tomorrow. Better off lynching today and working from there (with wagon information from today). I know a bunch of players who are gonna look pretty ropey if Amrun flips red.

It's just the best lynch.

need more votes on amrun

I know youre going to tell me its more about the other stuff he says but I don't see much of a difference between these two posts. Iconeum wants Amrun dead because hes scum apparently, and hasn't done anything since being asked by Menal to do so. Why is he doing it? Probably because he can get away with it in this game?

Instead of non-stop shading, can you like engage with me over stuff?

740 for starters - your words don't make sense with your actual 'reads'

[Iconeum]

Salamance, ur not trying to sort me. You have been shading me all game, been calling for a vig shot on me, while also calling my play noob (why do you want a noob play vig'd?) and coasting. Which one is it?

If you are actually scumreading me, then push me. If you think i'm town playing bad/noob/whatever, then you shouldn't have asked for a vig shot on me.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Salamence

[Iconeum]

Can you look at the reasons he wants me to be vigged tho? And tell me that comes from town?

[Iconeum]

Don't really see why I should indulge in discussing your topics if you don't wanna discuss mine other then 'haven't looked but i'll comment anyway'.

If I had anything to say about them, I would have.

[Iconeum]

If you truly don't have anything to say about all three wagons and slots then you deserve to be vigged lol

It's fascinating you think there's a lot to talk about wrt to those wagons

[Iconeum]

Amrun, now THAT was a good wagon

[Iconeum]

It's not a lot of work, so please read in order all of Salam's 736, 737, 957.

And then you tell me. Does he want a vig shot on me because of 'noob play'? It's not. He's all over the place with me supposedly having a noob play/coasting/getting away with a scum push on Amrun. It's a lot of shading. No pushing. No engaging me over stuff. No sorting.

This isn't in good faith my good lion.

[Iconeum]

I know this is a reactionary play from me, but it doesn't mean i'm wrong about it.

[Iconeum]

Further, I can drop Amrun for today sure. But I'm not really seeing anything in the current wagons either

[Iconeum]

I did say 'was', and it was in reference to the current ones which I see no particular good reason for me to hop on

And no I just posted that to shade you for no good reason. /

I think what I wrote right there. It feels like ur not quite your town self, perhaps going with the flow some more rather then steering the raft.
If I thought anything major of it, i'd be all over your ass don't you worry.

[Iconeum]

it's discussing your allignment

in a game of mafia

[Iconeum]

Deadline is sorta soon-ish though, are all of Creature/GL/DDL a hard null to you?

i'm completely caught up, i've not skipped a single page

and yet I have no real reason to vote on either wagon other then 'deadline soon'

yeah what about it?

[Iconeum]

i wasn't particularly fond of the way GL wanted to interact with me

[Iconeum]

and about Amrun: it wasn't his posting, it was his voting that stood out to me btw

[Iconeum]

it's discussing your allignment

in a game of mafia

"yo mena, dats isn't quite in her

town meta

aren't you worried wink wink"

Deadline is sorta soon-ish though, are all of Creature/GL/DDL a hard null to you?

i'm completely caught up, i've not skipped a single page

and yet I have no real reason to vote on either wagon other then 'deadline soon'

yeah what about it?

Okay?
What constitutes as a reason to vote btw? Because your next post said you didn't like GL's interaction with you.

and about Amrun: it wasn't his posting, it was his voting that stood out to me btw

Which votes btw?

That first part is pretty much spot on actually

Me finding something scummy or having a really strong townread that I'd happily sheep

As for voting: 275 and 494.

[Iconeum]

And sure, I know I'm not hard in my Town meta of spamposting and yelling at everyone

why aren't you tho?

[Iconeum]

I mean you have a very, ehm, forthcoming? way of playing town. It really stands out. And I'm not seeing that here, yet. That's exactly what I was trying to see how Menal feels about it (him having a ton of experience with you as well).

[Iconeum]

Menal, i'm really not seeing a scum DDL here

[Iconeum]

Also I think your case is almost full 'it's hard getting votes on you, die scumbag'

do you have more then that?

[Iconeum]

Salascum Case (OMGUS Edition 2019):

Opens by questioning my slot in 179, calling me a scum candidate because I'm supposedly ignorant in my 149. Scumread because of ignorance is mehhhh at the very best, and a scumpush most of the time.

When I question him on the fact that he didn't try to push or sort his scumread in AF, he calls it an 'opportunistic' push. It's all very weak and shady.

He doesn't try to engage with me. He doesn't try to sort me.

Also says i'm likely to be scum with Amrun, the 1 slot i've actually efforted in trying to get lynched this game.

498 is more shading of my slot, without ever trying to confront me.

Then in 736, he wants me to be vigged. Ever since the start of the game, he's been on my ass for being ignorant. As time went by he tried to add to his supposed case on me, never coming up with anything actually pushable.

In 737 his reasons for wanting me vigged are:

-noob play (nothing to do with being scum or not)
-coasting (misrep) - I mean you can't honestly Judge a slot on coasting based on LAST POST?

THAT'S IT. All the reasons he can come up with are either Town!AI, or NAI. Add a misrep. No effort in actually trying to engage or sort.

If this isn't a scum trying to get rid of me, I don't know what is.

[Iconeum]

and you've seen me play this way as Town

nothing that i can recall

[Iconeum]

I mean you have a very, ehm, forthcoming? way of playing town. It really stands out. And I'm not seeing that here, yet. That's exactly what I was trying to see how Menal feels about it (him having a ton of experience with you as well).

Yeah, in most cases I do. But it's tiring, and sometimes I do want to take a back seat for a bit.

And both the timing and the phrasing of the remark felt insincere to me. Plus, you've much more experience with town!me than he does, and you've seen me play this way as Town and get mislynched before.

Ur extremely defensive for a very minor thing I said

[Iconeum]

As opposed to you, I'll have to go look up that game now first

[Iconeum]

Oh god no not the game with Ali

[Iconeum]

ok fair point

wanna talk about my 1007?

[Iconeum]

Iconeum’s weird half-shade on Datisi is bad

She even admitted as much as it being accurate. How is it bad?

[Iconeum]

VoteCount 1.4

amrun [4] - Datisi, Iconeum, GuiltyLion, Creature
GuiltyLion [5] - texcat, Amrun, AaronFrost, Salamence20, Dogwatch
texcat [1] - DrDolittle
DrDolittle [1] - Menalque

Not Voting [3]

- Something_Smart, Pretentious, alimdia

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-12-11 13:35:31)

The GL wagon is made of really really fluid poop

Despite me not really liking GL based off of recent interactions, i'm not voting anywhere near Texcat/Amrun/Salamence if they're ALL on the same wagon.

I stand by my last statement in this quote.

[Iconeum]

Iconeum’s weird half-shade on Datisi is bad

She even admitted as much as it being accurate. How is it bad?

If someone is not playing to their town meta, according to you, you should be scumreading them. It’s your phrasing - it’s literally casting doubt on her towniness while not trying to appear that you did that.

How am I trying to appear like anything? I called something about Datisi out. I'm not hiding anything.

[Iconeum]

playing against wincon

[Iconeum]

if it's actually gonna be between GL creature or Amrun I think you know which way i'm gonna fly

[Iconeum]

I'll think i'm gonna keep my vote where it is for the night, and evaluate the thread tomorrow.

[Iconeum]

want to see a vote count first anyway

[Iconeum]

Boon is doing the same thing but thats expected. Thats his play. Whats your excuse?

Why is it expected from Boon but not from me?

[Iconeum]

if it's actually gonna be between GL creature or Amrun I think you know which way i'm gonna fly

And all the trainers say I'm pretty fly (for a Dragonite)

Rawr!

[Iconeum]

You spend a good portion of time saying Amrun is scum and then in the 11th hour you vote me, when the only person who has looked at me with scummy intent has been DDL.

Oooh OK I gettit now. I shouldn't push you because it's too late, right? With over a day left I should feel confined to whatever crap wagons are currently available and not give my opinions on the matter. And ofcourse it matters a TON what others have done towards you.

[Iconeum]

*cough*

let me rephrase that

I don't think there's crap wagons, I just don't see it myself. I'm sure there's a few of you out there who strongly believe in them

[Iconeum]

And you strongly believe this isn't my town play?

[Iconeum]

Salamence you've done nothing but take cheap shots at me all game, and been treating me incredibly unfair. If ur town I see absolutely no reason for you not to try and sort me properly instead of these under-the-belt takes you are having.

If ur scum, by all means keep going. Better kill me tonight then tho.

[Iconeum]

Youre town.

But its because youre an idiot.

excuse me?

[Iconeum]

Town just like L5 was

Come on, don't compare Iconeum to TSE.

EXCUSE ME?

[Iconeum]

Youre town.

But its because youre an idiot.

At least I live to certain standards. People like you should stay away from online interactions.

[Iconeum]

Or any kind of social/human interactions for that matter.

[Iconeum]

also

I'll think i'm gonna keep my vote where it is for the night, and evaluate the thread tomorrow.

[Iconeum]

I'm aware of what happened in that game, and resulting ban.

I'm just shocked to be compared to someone like that. Didn't get the L5 reference tho.

[Iconeum]

getting tunnely like you did here

oh i'm about to get extremely tunnely in this game alright

[Iconeum]

So that means I feel youre gamethrowing by voting someone who isnt getting lynched in 27 hours

i'm hoping this gets proven wrong in the next 12 hours

[Iconeum]

oh i'm about to get extremely tunnely in this game alright

Yeah can you like not

Salamence is one of my stronger townreads.

That will depend entirely on me remembering a certain post of his or not during the next couple days.

[Iconeum]

I dislike menal's ddl push fwiw

Agreed, but I liked his Amrun push.

[Iconeum]

GL just seems more dodgy, with my recent posts explaining why.

I've said that the votes on GL were fluid poop. You think it's a mostly town wagon?

[Iconeum]

Would you say activity is scummier than no activity?

is this directed specifically to alim?

[Iconeum]

Activity is mostly NAI - unless you have solid meta on players

[Iconeum]

Like, it's not scum indicative to lurk in itself

[Iconeum]

just like it's not town indicative persé if ur a hyperposter

[Iconeum]

My hesitancy to vote him centers partly on questioning whether or not that meta is old/outdated, as I alluded to at some point earlier, and partly due to lack of reactions from him to anything that’s recently happened. You even said yourself that his inactivity is difficult to evaluate so I’m not following why you’d expect me to switch votes when there’s so much ambiguity at play anyway.

I'm not understanding how you can say you think this is his scum meta, yet be less certain about voting him than voting me. You really think I'm still more likely to be scum than Creature based off that one Amrun vote despite all the rest of the effort/engagement I've put in since?

Like if I had just not posted at all and similarly had a "lack of reactions to anything", would that make me

less

suspicious in your mind?

GL has a point here. I see no reason to think this is scum!GL posting.

[Iconeum]

No activity is more anti-town than activity.

That's true, but it's not allignment indicative

[Iconeum]

No activity is more anti-town than activity.

That's true, but it's not allignment indicative

Then what are you seeing in GL's recent posting to make you think he's town?

I'm not gonna defend him this hard. I don't wanna vote him mostly because i'm scumreading like 3 our of 5 players who are voting him.

[Iconeum]

out*

[Iconeum]

bleh

[Iconeum]

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

Please explain me how you think Creature is such 'blatant' mislynch if he's still at L-2 and no signs of being lynched with 11 ish hours to deadline?

[Iconeum]

i'll probably end up voting Creature here tho

because lynch is better then no lynch :s

[Iconeum]

it's pretty much a done deal at this point

either we choose to no lynch, or we lynch creature

i don't think any alternate options are viable

[Iconeum]

i'm not worried about being scumread for voting creature here lol

i'm just slowly settling into the conclusion that it is in fact the only remaining option for me today

[Iconeum]

Meh it's partly my own fault for not taking a more active role earlier

VOTE: Creature

[Iconeum]

sala!scum

[Iconeum]

should be a good D2

now 1 more vote on Creature

[Iconeum]

I don’t have bad posts in that fashion as scum.

You don’t get 10 scum victories in a calendar year with scum posts like that

.

This is pure town

[Iconeum]

Instead of boasting, can you reply to actual posts, Pret?

[Iconeum]

I don’t have bad posts in that fashion as scum.

Ur literally saying you agree that your posting is bad


While also saying that you don't understand why there's a case on you?

I value high level scum play, and every time someone tries to make a case like that on me when I’m town, it’s quite baffling.

[Iconeum]

Regardless of Creature's alignment I think scum got caught off the wagon

Wrong there's already two of them on my wagon

I would believe there is scum off your wagon, though.

They’re deadlining you. Town get desperate at the end, and will vote so they don’t have to.

If scum had that much on you, you’d likely be dead by now.

2 max are on you, it’s possible only 1.

Ico positioning was pretty scummy. I don’t think scum hammer you here ever.

I love how confident you are in Creature being town

[Iconeum]

It doesn't make sense how you wanted to sell Creature as being an easy mislynch

[Iconeum]

Ico positioning was pretty scummy. I don’t think scum hammer you here ever.

How did you get to a scumread on me for position here, if earlier your thoughts were

Scum don’t pile up on wagons when it’s stalled. It’s stalled because scum are being inactive about his wagon. If he was scum there would e more friction around his wagon rather than just the stagnant. Scum are content with how the game is going right now. Town on a deadline are generally likely to just go along with it, and scum could stay off the vote count for wagonomic purposes. It’s easiest to do that early game, and is a play scum can make.

[Iconeum]

Creature L-1

[Iconeum]

yes

[Iconeum]

much better off lynching Flavor or Salam or Amrun

[Iconeum]

side note here, menal: it took my vote to actually get him to L-1

he was stalled out and despite someone saying he was an easy mislynch, that def isn't the case

[Iconeum]

I don't understand Pretentious's stance here at all, because he'll look bad whatever Creature flips.

[Iconeum]

That’s a shitty lynch

i think all three of DDL/Creature/GL lynches are bad

[Iconeum]

Anyway I gotta have lunch I’ll prob be around for a bit in ~1.5 hrs to try to convince you to lynch scum instead

lynching scum D1 is bad

[Iconeum]

it's not a very serious comment on my side, even tho in my experience a day 1 scum lynch ends in a scum victory more often then not

i'd never pass on a strong scumread lynch if i had the chance tho

[Iconeum]

vla weekend

[Iconeum]

whattup

[Iconeum]

haven't read anything on D2 yet including night action resolution

i'll get to that soon

coffee first

[Iconeum]

caught up on D2

Menal and SS feel most genuine to me

DDL v Amrun is what I'm gonna look into next

also i'm not particularly fond of Datisi posting this game

yoink

Also, both of them are in my Town pile independently, but I have a 9000IQ tinfoil theory of the whole Mena/DDL push being SvS theatre

She's not of the fencesitting type and this post is yuck

[Iconeum]

I think I’d most like to lynch creature today.

Oh one other thing I wanna say though, part of my reason for scumreading Amrun initially that I couldnt mention was her early game felt very different to me than her play in the High Noon micro game we just finished where I was townreading her, but she flipped scum in that game so ?? I think that makes her more likely town in this game lol

That’s why?! That’s funny.

The more DogWatch posts, the more I tonally think she’s town, but I don’t really have anything to say about the posts she mentioned. Except I agree that scum was pushing me (somewhere, I need to analyze with new flips in mind); and that

Creature’s lynch was probably pretty safe and blend-y for scum

.

wanna talk about this?

[Iconeum]

it's discussing your allignment

in a game of mafia

"yo mena, dats isn't quite in her

town meta

aren't you worried wink wink"

Deadline is sorta soon-ish though, are all of Creature/GL/DDL a hard null to you?

i'm completely caught up, i've not skipped a single page

and yet I have no real reason to vote on either wagon other then 'deadline soon'

yeah what about it?

Okay?
What constitutes as a reason to vote btw? Because your next post said you didn't like GL's interaction with you.

and about Amrun: it wasn't his posting, it was his voting that stood out to me btw

Which votes btw?

Datisi, after this post I can't find any mention in your ISO about Amrun anymore. You bring up Menal/DDL as SvS potentially, very slightly, but you brought it up anyway.

Why no mention of Amrun/DDL? It's clear DDL is very interested in Amrun.

Are you scum with Amrun?

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Yeah i'm just gonna say it out loud i don't care about fallout here, really

Datisi, you think my 'shading' of you was bad, but you questioned my motivation for Amrun, and didn't follow up on it. You think DDL is scummy I guess, and you think he's potentially theatring with Menal of all players? How can you honestly be trying to sort DDL if ur not saying Amrun in the same sentence?

Instead you go with the shading/fencesitty type of approach on what I think is one of the towniest slots in the game (Menal).

I don't like it.

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Wait I SR DW as well... but are you TRing Amrun atm or ?

I'm leaning town on her right now.

why are you town on amrun

this hasn't been answered yet

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My TR on Amrun is mostly gut/tone. 1228 especially struck me as townie. Why would scum Amrun feel the need to ISO one of Icon's scum games?

To fake scumhunt? Granted scum would probably be a bit more thorough when calling that other game out? maybe?

How can you honestly be trying to sort DDL if ur not saying Amrun in the same sentence?

Okay not sure what these two have to with eachother?

If ur trying to sort DDL, then you need to sort Amrun as well. It's DDL's main scumread.

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I keep expecting S_S to explain that naked vote on me, but nope. Just hangin out for presumably no reason.


I strongly townread GL now, fwiw. On day 1 I could not follow his train of thought in a genuine way. D2, with the realization that he was comparing it so specifically to high noon, I do.

Menalque, why are you categorizing DogWatch as a lurker? I don’t.

The more this day goes on, the more I'm townreading Amrun. Natural progression in reads, willing to look outside the box, feels like trying to solve the game.

Amrun do you think I'm mis-reading you or reading you in bad faith

Also, I'm not comfortable with Menal pushing DDL. I didn't like the DDL wagon on D1, and I don't like the push on DDL now. This particular post also comes off extremely townie to me.

I've got bad vibes on the Datisi slot, but nothing I can bring to words further then I've already done. Yeah sure this might come off as shading, but it's just what I feel this game.

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Hmm, I was waiting for you to ask that. Not much.

I don’t love this answer btw datisi

But no further attempts on your part to sort Datisi?

If all 3 scum are on wagon when we know it was being pushed by town (sally) then why was it so hard to get through

This one and the next really give me a feeling that Menal is town trying to sort through the wagons

3 scum on wagon makes no sense from a gamestate pov

Like, not impossible to fake as scum, but still.

VOTE: GL

your reaction was massively over defensive and I don’t really see why town!you would be worried about it

You seem off as well in that you’re choosing to throw quite subtle shade at me instead of trying to work with me

You’re making a really weird semantics point while simultaneously saying that it’s not so much to influence the game as it is for you to look back at later despite that it’s obviously influencing the game by throwing shade at my slot

Your immediate reaction to being voted is also really defensive “how could you possibly be scum reading me” and again trying to throw shade at me which isn’t what I think you do with someone who I’m pretty sure you were townreading before

But mostly you’re trying to direct lynches onto the unproductive slots while trying to keep your distance from it by talking about how “I personally don’t have any good reason not to lynch them” which is super awkward phrasing that I don’t think is likely to come from town who I think would just say “I wanna lynch tex/DW for being lurksacks” rather than feeling such a need to justify it

It would also make sense from a gamestate point of view in that scum have probably been relatively happy with things and letting the game tick over rather than highly contesting it which makes me think the most likely slots that looked like they were lynchable today were all town (DW, tex, maybe ddl)

Realllly dislike the GL case. Dislike to the point where I think this is the game we catch scum!Menal.

Menalque your GL case is primarily projecting what you expect a townie ought to think onto him.

Go on

But your interactions sometimes like this give town viiibes

Ur hard to read this game, dude

VOTE: ddl okay let’s do this then

Can you try and sort Datisi for me? I know you know her pretty damn well in game, and I'd love for you to give a more 'full' opinion on Datisi slot.

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Also, I'm not comfortable with Menal pushing DDL. I didn't like the DDL wagon on D1, and I don't like the push on DDL now.

Ok so what happened from you calling Mena one of the Towniest slots in the game?

you could probably ask me the same about scum!amrun on D1 and part D2

Menal's GL push is bleh. He called you out on something, but isn't following it up. I'm not scumreading menal, but i'd like to see what happens there.

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what I also think is weird having reflected on it more is DDL townreading Menalque, like, this dude was calling you scum all D1 and trying to get you lynched and you aren't suspicious of him in the slightest? really? I suggest I might switch to DDL and he decides to call me out while making no mention of Menalque?

I legit lol’d when I read this. So I just went and ISO’d DDL again and menal doesn’t even make an appearance in the entire ISO with the exception of one offhand comment that DDL likes him. It does seem extremely unrealistic to barely mention someone who’s been calling for your blood like two game days straight.

I like this. It's indeed completely unnatural for town to stay that quiet about a slot pushing you this way. Reminds a lot about myself as scum who tries to ignore rather then engage.

VOTE: DDL

thanks for calling out

L-1

Intent I suppose

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hi gamma

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i've the good fortune of being town this game, thanks

my reads are lacking tho

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l-2?

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so there's an L-2 with 4 votes that includes 2 slots that i'm having doubts about (menal/datisi)

there's the Amrun 2 voter, which is probably just a bad lynch? i guess? I think amrun has had a much stronger D2 townwise

Amrun's push on the lowballer is meh

I don't even know what the Dogwagon is about

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i lit thought it was L-1

intent is meaningless because claims are meh anyway

also i quoted why i'd feel like it's not a bad lynch, but i'm admitting to be on the fence about it

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Aight fair
Tho idk how you're feeling uneasiness about both our slots
Are you thinking SvS?

I'm not really pushing either of you because it's more feel then actual content. You really aren't as fluid as I think you mostly are when town. We already discussed this.

Menal is playing a weird game. His position on D1 lynch is weird. Him calling you out but not doing anything with it is unusual.

I don't know what to make of it.

OTOH, if it's S/S then both of you instigated the wagon, which is stronk WIFOM lol

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DDL not responding in a townie way to a tunnel is like the best scumcase i've seen this game, and I don't have anything better despite *really* looking into this game.

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Hmm, I was waiting for you to ask that. Not much.

I don’t love this answer btw datisi

this

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So, uh, could you exapnd a bit on what made you reconsider?

if you look back to day 1, more specifically towards EoD1, Menal tries to derail Creature lynch while being annoyed nobody is following him on his scumread that he refused to case.

He puts up intent and in the same breath says that he wants to swing the lynch last minute. Further, if he says that he doesn't like what you posted and has exactly ZERO follow up on that, it tells me he's not actually interested in figuring out your allignment.

So in short, I'm feeling like his push against Creature lynch is too strong for a day 1 town player.

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I don't know why I don't have stronger scumreads myself this game

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I want to do dog watch. I think dog watch is scum if amrun is and is fairly likely scum if amrun is not

Yes sure do dogwatch

It's more math. I had this list, i think if amrun is scum, then SS or dogwatch are partners. Then through the exchange I ruled out SS amrun partners, so that leaves DW. But DW is independently scummy too

why is DW scum?

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I could not be more uninterested in amrun wagon

I have townreads on Creature ico pret menal and to a lesser degree amrun and ali.

I could do amrun for some broad boppy reasons

VOTE: amrun
sorry

people should go back onto amrun though

she's not playing town-amrun

amrun town is very town and I don't see that this game

the fact that she has been sus'd by other players this game also show that her-not-so-town presence is not just a one-of me feeling, nor that it is entirely scum driven.

Talk me through what made you go from probsTown!Amrun to scum!Amrun in less then 13 posts?

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between 691 and 702 amrun did not post

you had a townread on her

but then you say she hasn't been playing her towngame

Whattup with that, Doc?

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I am sorta getting paranoid that Icon's "only now" looking back at DDL when there's a serious wagon on

i most certainly am

did you see how fast that wagon grew?

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right, i think what you said in 1804 more or less stands, but that all happened before 1539
which is why i'm sorta asking why were you calling Mena one of the Towniest slots at that time?

because he really appears to be sorting - and then you said something that tingled him and he doesn't persuit it

but after the flip, i don't really see what justified his townread of Creature if Menal is town

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you mean it got 3 votes in the span of a couple of hours after like 8-12 days (i honestly don't even remember anymore) of Mena calling people to vote there?

yes

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no when you tunnelled me that game you were very scummy. that's why i called you out on it.

yeah

so i've got a slot that's tunneling like i did when scum

and a slot that's not giving a damn about being tunneled, which is also what i did when scum


do you want me to conclude you guys are S/S?

fuck me

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like this progression is clear evidence of reevaluation idk what more is there to it

you were townreading amrun

nothing happened

then you started scumreading amrun

that's not simply revalution

that's you townreading based off of something, but then scumreading that player for the *same* reasons

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show my why you were townreading amrun

and what changed

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there's more then a day left

i'll be here for the next 7 or so hours

if anyone wants to talk about something, hit me up

at this point i'm ok with DDL lynch going thru

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aaron seems like a spicey scum kill?

town might have shot there, and scum hit a rose

who knows

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hmmm?

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let's go GE

you scumread me?

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AaronFrost, who was

Town

Night 2 Rose

,

died

in

Night 2

.

Someone wanna guess what’s wrong here?

wait what

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Btw I have a plan for today but I want to get this answered first.

shoot

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25-26/12 is gonna be a no go for me

27 i'll catch up

then standard weekend vla

sorry for the inconvenience but partyyyyyyyyyyyy

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i think the only claim we really need is a town vig who shot AF

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?

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Not caught up

Anywhere i can vote to be useful?

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After page 10 I trust S_S and distrust Iconeum, along with Menalque and alimdia
(FYI I’m officially doing the speed reading thing)

VOTE: gamma

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Actually I could see Gamma being town for the sole reason that it doesn't appear they are a part of any coordinated effort. Not that one member of a scum team could go renegade but it doesn't look like that here.

i literally play like him when i'm scum

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and the shady kind of catchup posts are easily sc!upm

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i haven't actaully read anything because holidays

consider this more a prodge then anything else

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So

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Ill be here tomorrow

Deadline problems

Vote SS or gamma ?

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SS looks rond tot lunchen

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What is this utocorect

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Ok so SS lynch ill hammer

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VOTE: ss

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Yolo

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SS is at L-1 already, and alimdia said they'll hammer, so. You can go back to lurking.

Not Lurking tho

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i'm here

what ya wanna talk about?

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i'm not caught up on D3, no

I will be, come tomorrow

asking me my thoughts on mechanics is iffy but: i don't see why not

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i like my odds of hitting scum tho, fml

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actually it's Friday, damn

ehm

okay today it is then

give me like half an hour

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wanna know my actual thoughts seeing the start of D4?

why the F are both datisi and menal alive

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i'm gonna have to shotgun reads for now

i'm mostly caught up actually

my main townread is alim

if i had a gun right now i'd be shooting gamma

extremely sceptical that scum didn't bother to kill of either (menal/datisi), which are prime targets for scum (to target) imo

amrun is likely town, my reasoning being I feel extremely confident that scum would want a lynch on me today, and amrun has not been setting that up, at all

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oh yeah starting with: why did you hammer like that

it was going to happen anyway

might as well take the credit i thought

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massclaim is gonna be a thing today yeah

only 3 town roses are remaining

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extremely sceptical that scum didn't bother to kill of either (menal/datisi), which are prime targets for scum (to target) imo

explain this

please explain in what universe am i a prime NK target after that Day 3

i consider the both of you to be high on a scum kill list; menal above you

if we look at town lynch record, it's pretty blatant just terrible, which means most town are on the wrong track (or scum are leading town)

scum (which probably also took at least 1 extra gun?), had to kill off players. They didn't select either player who i'd consider high priority targets

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2.Salamence20, who was Town Night 2 Gun, died in Night 1.
4.GuiltyLion, who was Town Night 2 Rose, died in Night 3.
13.AaronFrost, who was Town Night 3 Rose, died in Night 2.
14.Pretentious, who was Town Night 2 Rose, has killed in Night 1.

instead, i think this is all of the kills (did i miss any?)

these don't make a ton of sense if ur standing where i'm standing

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extremely sceptical that scum didn't bother to kill of either (menal/datisi), which are prime targets for scum (to target) imo

explain this

please explain in what universe am i a prime NK target after that Day 3

there have been more nights, and possibly multiple shots extra for scum

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i mean that I didn't specifically refer to the past night paranoia, but cross game

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Also if you think Amrun is Town then scum would be even more braindead to kill me because Amrun is suspecting me and they need just one wrong vote

i don't think u are understanding me here

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let me start fresh here

NKA

look at the players who died during the night

if ur me, would you not be asking yourself 'why the fuck are both datisi and menal alive rn'?

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i can understand the GL kill for sure, but the other ones?

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you don't powerrole hunt as scum this game, you take out dangerous players

i consider the 2 of you priority, menal above datisi

why are you both alive

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did we have any town gun shot claims yet?

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datisi and menal if ur both here

why don't we do a shared countdown and all post our roles at once?

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pagetop

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also: this is full claim guys

claim rose/gun AND night

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that's fine datisi

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shouldn't guns claim gun and night, but hold off with saying their target?

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until after everyone went, that is?

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literally everyone's (town's) reads are gonna have been godawfull this game seeing NOT A SINGLE SCUM has been lynched

so who do scum target on N1/2/3 according to you?

not even calculating the possible extra shot(s)?

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Also I want this to slow down

i'm pumping out what i can as fast as i can, because my

weekend VLA

is about to be a thing :s

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@menal, beside VCA there's also use in NKA, which at the moment does NOT make a ton of sense to me

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and that's specifically the reason why i'm paranoid of both datisi/menal being alive.

We can go round in circles about why i consider the both of you high priority, but I don't think thats very usefull at all, datisi

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Well this is why I wanna go back and reread the 4 conf!towns’ reads bc potentially theirs haven’t been

this is exactly right

i'm not trying to rush anything, but what I am doing now is in kindoff a rush because I'll be afk for the next 48 hours so :s

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gamma - DW - Amrun - mena - datisi - Amrun - Ico