On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

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[Mikoto and Kuroko]

- Farkran

(need to get used to this hydra sign thing)

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Hello!

I just noticed how much of an explosive playerlist we have here. Like, all of the players from my lovely dreams and worst nightmares are here! I mean it in a positive sense though (looking at nacho and prism )

So, people who have already played with me, please let me know if you are town as soon as possible so that we can start a healthy and productive relationship. I'll read what you have written early and ask you questions.

Also nice to meet you to all the other people. Don't worry, i'll be bothering you soon enough.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Hello we randed town but don't expect the usual insomnia shit show!

~insomnia

Why not? I liked you in the anarchist game and offgame posts, please deliver again. You shouldn't be a hard read if you are actually town.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Uhm i haven't found any question to ask my old friends yet, although i do want to hear from eragon and pops at least.

Can't believe this "-D" wants us gone already

-gb

This post i didn't particularly like. People who played with me know how much i hate RVS, but in my experience and seeing the other posts from egospray i would expect a omgus vote as a reaction to feminist bloc in this stage.

VOTE: egospray

Let's start here.

pedit #94: yeah, precisely what i mean

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Blake

In my introductory post i like greeting friends i have already played with, i have done it in the anarchist game we played together towards suji and chemist. Don't worry, there'll be questions for you too soon enough. Actually, do you know who are the heads of the disaster hydra?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I know who every head of every hydra is. It's in the opening post.

-Blake

Yeah, i mean, do you know who those players are, have you ever played with them?

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

-Farkran

sigh, hydra signing

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Selling JC's identity for 100 in-game dollars. I need that vig shot. It's what I live for.

~som

Why?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Because I don't have to explain my reads and kill scum.

Feels like an empty question Mr. Fark...

~som

You do have to explain your reads if you are town, Ms Despair. Do you have already someone in mind for your vig shot?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

No but I might if I see questions like those again

~Ms Despair, apparently

What was scummy about my question, exactly?

You called it an empty question. Would you say that anyone who asks you for reads is asking empty questions, Ms Despair? Because that's what vig shots are for, killing your scumreads. You seem the one threatened by my question, rather than you threatening me now.

Weren't you the one who started the offgame thread about how to get better as town? I'm sure that a lot of people replied that you should improve how you communicate - i'm sure i did, among the others. We should be trying to do that.

Do you have no reads as of now? Is your vote on egospray purely RVS?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Eh, i mean, if you aren't shooting in your scumreads, it's not how a vig shoot should be used, so... pretty much i was asking who would you use your shot on, not why you would want the shot itself. Now that we are on the same page about the meaning of that question, do you have any reads, or did you just claim you wanted the shot because you're confident you will be having good reads soon?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

A wolf would definitely purchase a vig shot. That's pretty much the best possible item in the list for them.

Honestly though now it's your questions that look inconclusive. I asked you for reads, and you're refusing to answer. I see no reason for you to hold back on your thoughts.

-Farkran

pedit: agreed

VOTE: despair night

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Acceptable, i wish you would have said so sooner.

VOTE: egospray

back to there

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Yang - Hi, and nice to meet you. I've seen you a few times on discord, never interacted much though.

About Insomnia, or how i renamed him for this game only, Ms Despair, i did specifically ask them for reads very shortly after the vig question, which to be honest already implied to be a question about reads. Why else would i ask for reasons behind buying a vig shot, in your opinion? They didn't answer to my question though, they dodged it until i voted there, only then they stated they had none. I find this slightly alarming, because i assumed they would form a read on me at least, but also acceptable for a player profile like insomnia.

Note that i consider a "null" read different than "i don't have a read". Currently i'd say Despair Night is

null

to me.

I would also like to hear more from you and blake, as i have recently been tested for accuracy against the blake slot and i feel like i could do a good job with that as long as the content keeps flowing.

@The Searchers - Nice to meet you too, first time playing with both of your heads. The bit about me sounding like a green (as in newbie) player is not new to me, and it's not entirely wrong as a description. I am usually straightforward, tryharding and aggressively testing as any alignment, which gives me an aura of newbie approaching things. My meta is readily available in my wikipage, for anyone interested.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Turkey. Pot. Pie.
VOTE: The Searchers

~ Guy

This looks like a step back from the current gamestate, we're out of RVS

Why are you voting the searchers?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Latios maybe scum need more.

Also could you talk to me about this read specifically? I'm interested in your early reasoning for latios scum

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

sup bitches

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Agree with blake that fark sounds off

-JC

Say why

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Agree with blake that fark sounds off

-JC

Farkran always acts this way as town. I'll probably read the game again once I'm out of work.

Guess I need to obv-town to oblivion this game.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

97 meta expectation of ego sounded fake

-JC

Understandable, although it wasn't fake. Have you got an opinion on egospray?

-Farkran

pedit: yeah bitmap please take care of the obvtowniness, people seem to know you better

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

They're in the lower townpool but only have their feet in the water and haven't dived in yet

-JC

Why are they in the lower townpool? Is it a gutread, or did any particular instance of what they have done so far granted them townpoints that i didn't notice?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

97 meta expectation of ego sounded fake

-JC

Understandable, although it wasn't fake. Have you got an opinion on egospray?

Poke @disaster

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

They're in the lower townpool but only have their feet in the water and haven't dived in yet

-JC

Why are they in the lower townpool? Is it a gutread, or did any particular instance of what they have done so far granted them townpoints that i didn't notice?

-Farkran

Yeah i poked on the wrong question

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

To be honest i like the latios hydra, i think they're town. Chemist would be surprised, but i think i townread them because of gamma

-Farkran

(me scumreading chemist is now a meme)

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Cappy town too

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Farkran wolf for mindmelding on Cappy

/s

hi farkran we aren't magical girls this time but we can be masons for real this time if you want :3


-E

I hope we do, i still feel bad about the last normal. I don't scumread you as of now so it's all good

Why the latibros scum? I think they are ok, not engaged much but no sign of scumminess yet?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

My attitude is always nai, but i am town and i think you are too, hectic. Much nicer to have you around when i don't have to force scumread you

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

To be honest i like the latios hydra, i think they're town. Chemist would be surprised, but i think i townread them because of gamma

-Farkran

(me scumreading chemist is now a meme)

I dont think Gamma has posted???

How?

I mean at least going by the signatures, there are several posts by latios earlier, latias has just recently introduced

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

TOWN

Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald)

Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball)

Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud)
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer)
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka)
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher)
Black Hole Defection (popsofctown and Prism)
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty)
--- NULL LINE ---
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly)
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy)
Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus)
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR)
Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia)
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf)
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf)
Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey)
SCUM

I am roughly here atm. Most reads are weak, the bolded ones are more solid. The general impression is that there's too much shitposting, and as a consequence i have many more null reads than i would like in a game at page 15. I want to wait until everyone has posted relevantly before reassessing, but i think i can work with latiguys and cappy town for now. I also like spiffy and i want to believe eragon here.

It interests me that insomnia REALLY wanted to participate in the event, although there was so much hype that any participation is mostly NAI.

I look forward to blake's and black hole's reads mostly, and more content from NL+Flavortown

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Spoiler: readlist

Reads as of 199.

(From rereading the thread.)

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
The Searchers (100%): Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Mikoto and Kuroko: 91 is a decent entrance, but it does give off the newer player vibe. (A bit too cordial, etc.) 122 has the same vibe as the entrance post. 127 is a good vote. 129 is a bit of a copout though.

Neutral Town

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)
Cappy (+50%): The posting restriction is definitely +town equity. I doubt it's faked even if it is Hectic we're talking about.

Latias and Latios (+40%): A little bit of gut with a hint of meta sprinkled in.

Spiffybringer (+34%): Fire is just being fire. Good vibes overall from their slot.

Null

(0%-30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Feminist Blocc (+3%): Feels townish, though Disaster Artists' lightheartedness around this slot is worrying.

Equitable Androids (+2%): I like the vote in 130.

Blake X Yang (+1%): 126 is a good point, but it's negated by the fact they didn't do anything to redirect the conversation. Their reads worry me though as they are basically the opposite of mine.

egospray (-8%): First several posts are doing pretty much nothing.

Imperium (-9%): Not fond of entrance posts like 190.

Neutral Scum

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)
Dispair Night (-40%): 49 is a poor first impression. 123 is obnoxious, and it is something I can see scum doing.

Disaster Artists (-47%): 70 is something scum would say. 79 strikes me poorly as well. Too buddy-buddy for my tastes. Despite what they say, 181 *is* overly pedantic.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

​​

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

Players are placed in different sections based on my confidence in the read expressed as a percentage. A positive percentage indicates that I leans towards town on a player whereas a negative percentage indicates I lean towards scum on a player. Please note that the Null section contains both townreads and scumreads, and you must look a the sign of the percentage in parenthesis to determine which way I lean.

Confidence ratings are rough estimates (and somewhat arbitrary) and are relative to one another. In addition, they tend to be scored on a quadratic scale versus a linear scale; in other words, the difference between 0% and 30% tends to be less than the difference between 30% and 60%.

Disclaimer: These reads reflect my reads and not those of my hydra partner.

~Ircher

Well no shit that's a nice readlist. And aside from the good formatting i see that we agree on the relevant stuff. Major differences are egospray and disaster artists - my read on the former is weak but i don't feel like moving my vote rn, read on disaster artists looks like shitposting town more than anything, but there are bits of useful content here and there

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Also sorry i thought i had enabled signature on this account but apparently i didn't so forgive me for this test post where i fix the issue

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Silver Bullet do you also scumread insomnia or is that just Hectic?

Or more generally speaking can you tell me how do you individually feel about insomnia?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Silver Bullet do you also scumread insomnia or is that just Hectic?

Or more generally speaking can you tell me how do you individually feel about insomnia?

-Farkran

I think scum!insomnia tries to use his ability to make good in real time interactions in order to get townreads. I don't feel like he's doing that right now!

- Silver Bullet

So, if you wanted to change your vote, who would you aim at?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

For Farkran: I'm not seeing eye to eye with you on the Cappy read. Can you elaborate?

-Prism

Assuming the post restriction is real, i think hectic is efforting to convey a lot of content to the thread, i wouldn't expect to see that if he was scum. He also looks very similar to how he played the cult game hosted by kerset. These are strong town points from his slot, it's the read i'm most confident on atm. I could see a null read on hectic from you, but a scumread seems really out of place compared to our undertale experience, unless you think he is lying about his post restriction. We could explore that world in d2, given that he specifically said "for this day phase".

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I've spent a lot of time reflecting on what went wrong in Undertale. I have no intention of losing again.

That's good to hear, not only because you're likely the player i'm most afraid of in the whole playerlist, but also because i'm happy to see your passion is still true to the game.

Now about hectic, i think one of the main flaws of scum!him is the ability to produce consistent reads, and i haven't seen that happening in this game so far. Perhaps he has improved his scumgame, but i think the easiest explanation is that he's town.

I still want to hear pops opinion on the matter though, and silver bullet's answer to my question.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

On a side note there are very few opinions about the currently highest wagons, especially egospray. Not even from themselves.

@egospray, got any reads so far? Why are we wrong on voting you?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

page 7-8 I like Disaster Artists for pushing sorta

VOTE: NL

Giffie I have a secret just for you shhh nobody else look

Spoiler: giffie

We're town. You're welcome!

ok

lmao if this is true this has to be town but it's Hectic I think sooo yeah...

Beep are you Titus?

-JC

Let’s spin The Wheel to find out!

- Boop

SPIN THE WHEEEEEEEEL

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

VOTE: Latias and Latios

~Spiffy

hi

-Latias

VOTE: Latias

sorry for the scumrand buckeroo

-J

Spicy.

Also not really seeing Latios/Latias scum.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Notice: Post Restrictions are not restricted to town and can also be faked

-J

ok

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

That's good to hear, not only because you're likely the player i'm most afraid of in the whole playerlist, but also because i'm happy to see your passion is still true to the game

Can you elaborate on why I am someone to be feared this game?
-Prism

I think you could produce good reads, which is the good news. I'm not sure of your alignment, that's the bad news. I feel like i would be more accurate at reading pops.

-Farkran

Pedit: if chemist is scum in the only game where i townread his slot i'm going to chew my desktop

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

OH MY GODS I'M AN IDIOT

I've been sitting here wondering why you guys were talking about the restriction as if it were a real thing and been getting frustrate with you all for just accepting that it was a real thing and whether or not he was town due to the pr and was going to tell you all to stop being lazy in the way you were reading him because you should be looking at why he would choose to use the pics and how he's using the pics and such to determine his alignment not mostly that he had it, which I could also have been reading wrong I don't know I'm not totally caught up yet, but it's total my bad and I'm dumb.

I read his PSA in post 207 where he says that he "may" post in pictures this whole day as him saying he was probably going to post in pictures this whole day instead of "may" meaning he is only able to post in pictures this whole day which just yeah I'm an idiot and I guess I can stop deliberating about how they mentioned in Undertale that he was a bit new and timid scum and whether or not that meant that he was purposely trying to use the pictures to avoid having to say things or not.

Unless I was right all along and go me, but I think I'm probably dumb. Okay carry on.

By the way i did not understand what this post means, and i'm not sure what's imperium read on hectic after this explanation.

-Farkran

Also i'm leaving bitmap in control for the US prime timezone, 1.30 am here and i'm sleeping, see ya

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Conversation on page five between Despair and Mikoto feels a bit off but I can't quite put my finger on what I don't like about it. Mostly a note for myself to go back later.

What was weird about it?

Also Blake x Yang giving me good vibes with their recent posts.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

10+ pages to catchup. I skimmed them from mobile so far, now i'll reread and answer to what i feel relevant. Gonna take a while

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Silver Bullet do you also scumread insomnia or is that just Hectic?

Or more generally speaking can you tell me how do you individually feel about insomnia?

-Farkran

I think scum!insomnia tries to use his ability to make good in real time interactions in order to get townreads. I don't feel like he's doing that right now!

- Silver Bullet

So, if you wanted to change your vote, who would you aim at?

-Farkran

First and foremost,

@Silver Bullet

you didn't answer this, and i'm still interested in learning your answer.

I mean, Hectic is posting through pictures, regardless of whether the post restriction is real or not, and he's still producing more solve attempts than you. I'll reiterate that this is one major reason for townreading the cappy slot - i could see self-imposing a false restriction to avoid producing reads and content as scum, but that's definitely not what hectic is doing here. People pushing cappy have to tell me why.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I'd believe that Tammy and Hectic aren't scum together lol

-JC

Thank you for knowing it was me!

439 not really AI from Imperium

If this is Ircher, I'm raising a big huge eyebrow in your direction.

I kinda see something kinda older style from Ircher that's a move I did. Not sure. I'll leave a note for Gobble.

~Titus

The reason why I mentioned Ircher there is because of his reaction to my opening post. I don't think I've played with Ircher? Or not enough to recognize the name I don't think. Anyway if this is Ircher, he's trying to claim some kind of understanding about how I play, which would mean that there's no way he doesn't like my opening posts. People who don't know me usually hate my opening posts whereas people who do know me, probably still hate my opening posts, but know that's just me and ignore it. So if it's ircher then the two reactions make no sense and that's a problem.

I'm not looking at this from a meta perspective but from a scum!Titus has done it perspective but if I say what it is, I ruin what I am looking for. It also only applies if you're town.

~Titus

Titus, vastly different from the little i know about scum!titus, similar to town!titus in the open TM where i was discussing with NaCl. I do not have a reputation of reading gobble well, but i am currently fairly confident on this slot being town. To elaborate, the scum!titus i know is by far more aggressive and less interested in communicating with other slots, more like she wants to destroy them with arguments that could be good or bad depending on the situation, but the point is that there is no interest in communication as a mean to re-evaluate, whereas in this game titus does communicate.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

If I can't engage by reading 20+ pages that boomed out of nowhere, then I'm taking a much more conversational approach to adapt, at least until I have a better handle of more than just a handful of players.

I think not looking into my push for content a second deeper is a very surface level mentality, and I'm weeding that out because it's a reason why the game is so dense. Namely, if people are more talkative, then they either provide tons of content or none at all - and it's very likely AI. That's how I sort in this situation.

-yang

p-edit

Maybe but everyone would be more excited to see your spicy hot takes without guidance

-JC

Speaker

is town, I've never encountered

Ircher

with this level of content that isn't town of him. A lot of his reads aren't the most popular at first glance, at least in my agreement with him, but he's not enforcing his will upon others, so I think he's town here. He's not aligning to a specific thought process and constructing his own.

Night Despair

felt town for reasons I've already mentioned. I don't follow the suspicion on him and I enjoyed some of their entrance posting, tbh.

You're very likely town to me because you're consistently in the thread but are finding means to sort - this is reinforced by who I think you are,

Cena

. I figured you wouldn't have such a conversational tone and sort in a scum POV because you're capable of devising very nuanced plans.

Unapologetic Foxy

actually felt town off first glance but that could be me misreading their personal vibe as AI. Through scampering the thread before it got larger earlier, I found that they townread this hydra -

and I want them to elaborate on why.

Since they supported someone who 1/2 of the hydra didn't agree with one of the first wagons of the game, I want to know what about this hydra's content is appealing.

Farkran Hydra

is harder to follow since multiple people with experience have expressed confusion in relation to their vibe - my other head

Blake

included. I like their consistent posting for content but I think they focus on details a bit much, and I'd like to become more conversational with them when it's more possible. I don't have a strong pull on this hydra either way, but I do not care for the other head saying

"guess I'll have to obvtown"

at some point, seemed defensive in nature.

I'm kind of sad

Hectic

died, I wanted to see why he felt

Farkran hydra/This hydra

was town, since both of us didn't have a clarified read on the other even after a subtle exchange.

Also, I greatly abhor people discussing post restrictions. It solves nothing. It's NAI.

Have not liked anything I've seen of

ego

, they've been present but not doing much. I disliked their associative of

Night Despair/this hydra

because I didn't feel convinced by the push there? Yeah, not stellar reasoning, but it's something. I want to communicate with my head before doing a push, ideally.

Everyone pushing

Pops

to die for winning the game feels very weird, and I want the reasoning explained.

I liked something about

Prism's

posting but I forgot.

Interesting post from Yang, whereas i remember a terrible push from blake happening several pages ahead of where i am at. These two hydra are both reasonably active (not top posters, but also definitely not lurkers) but do not seem to be privately communicating about their opinions. I have just recently played my first game in a hydra with alisae, and we've been collaborating the shit out of that game as a town slot. This hydra with bitmap is vastly different, but that's because bitmap is fairly disengaged with the game so far.

Yet, i would expect that taly/alyssa would be much more in line with their posting, and seeing these independent strikes from them is not something i'm fancying right now. Their voting pattern is also a bit weird based on progression, but i'll go about this later when i get to blake posts.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

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Tammy and I are Plusle and Minun. We have multiple abilities, but only one that really matters.

FOLLOW ME.

Every one in the game will be forced to target us tonight. As a result, there's an incredibly large chance that we die. If we do not, then we have yet another use of FOLLOW ME tomorrow night. If scum do not have a way to counterbalance us (and thus this ends in No Kills 2 nights in a row), then lolbalance, but from this moment on, I'm operating as if I'm knocking on death's door. If you want to make a connection with me or if you care about my opinion at all, don't wait - I will not be long for this world.

This role is exciting to me because this is very likely my last game for a long while and my personal feeling is that my town game is strongest when death is assured for some absurd reason. The characters are extremely important to me personally; Plusle and Minun were some of the first pokemon Tammy and I caught when playing Pokémon Go together, and we still stick that pair in gyms whenever we take them over, and the Plusle and Minun Christmas ornaments we have are my favorite.

My request of everyone listening is to lend us their voices and their votes; pay attention to me and hold me close because I will not be available to us for long.

(also please excuse my strange mood, I had a shit day of work and probably drank too much too quickly)

This post is mechanically awkward and i have a question to ask:

A Hydra cannot be targetted with an action, instead you must target the heads of the Hydra.

What does this mean for you? We know that factional nightkills are an exception to targeting rule, but it is not clear whether those kills are attracted or not because i've noticed that on MS factional kills are usually not treated as a night ability. Other abilities however, can usually target one hydra head, not the whole hydra.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I agree and also very very very very very very very heavily doubt that Prism has a post restriction

Also why are you so certain that the post restriction is fake?

And even if it were, i don't see it being scum indicative for hectic, as i explained a few posts ago, so i wonder why you would focus on that?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Catchup finished. Quick notes i have taken so far on not-too-heavy reads yet:

• flavortown here a lot less engaged than scum!FL, i think that's slightly town AI for him
  
  
• disaster artists is offering bits of solves inbetween lolposts, i don't see their iso scummy
  
  
• I think scum!pops has been burned enough from trying to make a push on me than to attempt it again with their introductory posts - also i lliked their analysis on bitmap, but the fact is bitmap is just very disengaged with the game atm and presumably letting me take the reins at least during d1. This reinforces my instinct on the slot being town.
  
  
• I want to hear more about spiffy because i don't see the scumminess there, so if imperium and despair could help it would be awesome

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

On to stronger reads:

707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.

A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.

I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.

Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.

VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.

Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Recap readlist, i'm roughly here:

TOWN

Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball)
Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald)
Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia)
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy)
Black Hole Defection (popsofctown and Prism)

--- TOWN CONFIDENCE LINE ---

Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus)
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher)
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer)
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty)
Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud)
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf)
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka)

--- NULL LINE ---

Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf)
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR)
Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey)
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly)

SCUM

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

We're discussing our reads on discord before posting them here to avoid hydra's dissonance to play as one as much as possible. I can share what I have seen so far, sure! Latios and Latias is town, Chem feels relaxed and Gamma is not trying to look serious; Taly's first wallpost (and now the one with him talking about selfmeta) comes from town, and I like that he's townreading Titus 'cause I had the same impression and we want to build a townblock with them.

- Silver Bullet

I would advise against townreading lengthy posts, unless the content is worthy of being townread. I believe Blake/Yang have been assessing the gamestate and noticed that there was shade consensus building around our slot (from despair, imperium, black hole) and threw a vote in our direction believing the wagon would develop, without exploring their nullreads/scumreads first. The slot who has been pushing stronger is actually blake - i would expect taly, who has no experience with me, but ank has always read me correctly as town and it feels really off to see them failing their analysis of me after we have been playing and talking a lot recently.

Do you think i am wrong? Question @everyone actually, not just cappy.

-Farkran

pedit @blake: different meta from blake or alyssa have no inference on your read accuracy around me, unless you are saying that ankamius is a good reader and blake isn't, which would be nonsensical. You may change personality and modus operandi by switching accounts, you do not change your accuracy rating.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

With the realization that Blake = Ankamius I think Blake x Yang is very likely Town

~Spiffy

For instance, talk to me about this. Where do i look to see towniness in Blake iso?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I got asked to

stop being a lazy butt

analyze the Blake x Yang slot more.

And

Farkran

has a tone and playstyle that reminds me A LOT of my newb-mafia games. Like, nearly same person vibes off the bat.

So, I want them to spew. We can townspew together or they scumspew and I townspew them into oblivion.

I have no solid play experience with either player above.

Yes, my partner tends to look face value scummy in games that he's town.

Yang: Why are you posting all of this and contributing to the problem you're describing?

And Hectic, I don't see why you can't elaborate on the egospray progression.

-Prism

I'm doing the opposite of contributing to the problem.

By displaying my loss at following the thread, I'm figuring out who is willing to sort with a slot, work with a slot, or exclusively look for reasons to suspect a slot. I'm also seeing how the most active players perceive the game so I can give context to their thought process, and assess them with more confidence.

-yang

hi im willing to sort w/ u

605 doesn't feel scummy. I think it's pretty decent and has good footholds on players unless I'm missing something.

630 is a continuation of reads building imo which is good I think. Farkran is pretty hard to read alignment wise.

I am caught up.

Imperium is town. I'm familiar enough with Tammy to believe that her posting is more likely to come from town than scum.
Spiffybringer is town. Spiffeh's approach to the game doesn't look scum motivated.
Latias and Latios is town. I strongly suspect that I'd be catching on to them by now if they were scum with how much they're posting and how relevant a lot of it is.
Disaster Artists is likely town. I'm not necessarily locktowning them at this point like I feel I should be if they are town, but I don't believe that indicates scum either.
Unapologetically Foxy is likely town through my personality read on Xofelf, but I notably have only seen her play once in recent memory that I am aware of.
The Searchers is likely town. This is a gutread from SirCakez' posting.
Cappy is likely town. I don't get the impression that the hydra would be playing the way they are if they rolled scum this game.

NL, Smol Might, Flavortown, Egospray, Feminist Blocc, Equitable Androids, and Black Hole Defection are slots I'm not expressly townreading or scumreading.

Despair Night is a slight scumread.
Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.

VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko

-Blake

Gonna need you to clarify why you scumread our slot.

I will probably go into why I scumread Mikoto and Kuroko later today. It mostly depends on whether my motivation for mafia maintains itself throughout the day.

I will note that I am untested with Farkran's scumgame and I have an inconsistent record at reading Bitmap, but I still believe that from what I know of how they play, both their approaches look more likely to come from a scum PM than a town PM.

-Blake

If you're using my activity as AI, it's a bad idea. But I don't blame you for using that as a surface level read.

Interesting.

I don't remember Farkran ever shading slots like he is here before.

-Blake

I have. :3

Going to talk to Farkran but I see Blake X Yang as probably leaning town. However, I'm letting Farkran be the solvey head cause he's better at that than me. I'm the obv-town head.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Blake, I understand why you'd scum read me this game in terms of an activity standpoint but I'm actually having a hard time latching on to this game properly and I'm trying to get in the groove while willing to spend a good chunk of what time I have today committed to this game.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

pedit @blake: different meta from blake or alyssa have no inference on your read accuracy around me, unless you are saying that ankamius is a good reader and blake isn't, which would be nonsensical. You may change personality and modus operandi by switching accounts, you do not change your accuracy rating.

What was the point of writing this?

-Blake

Trying to evaluate your confidence in your read of us

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@searchers, your recent reads have changed significantly from your colored and nice readlist, can you update it?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@SC Can you still talk to me about your individual spiffy read?

I mean he called pops the greatest evil of this world or something, but i didn't see them ACTUALLY voting or pushing the slot in any way, so... i don't see a particular reason for scumreading spiffy there, so, what else am i missing? Do you think smol is town enough to not have anyone scumreading him? Just trying to understand your trajectory to spiffy

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

The event prizes kind of suck.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Mod:

Can you add doc shots to the prize list?

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Bitmap is trying to talk me away of my vote on blakeyang but i'm not entirely convinced yet. The push was bad, but upon reexamination of their ISO it seems that i was wrong believing that they had stronger scumreads than us. They actually expressed doubts about us early enough, and the progression might make sense. The analysis is still wrong, but not as terrible as i was viewing it before, and blake doesn't look as confident as i thought she was, which may point to wrong town rather than scum.

I am willing to go back to VOTE: egospray and wait for more content from blake.

People in my town bloc right now are cappy, latiguys, black hole, imperium and despair. I'm fine working with them. @black hole i think you should reconsider your vote on cappy.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

WRT smol, my read on there is still weak but i think i can safely say that both hydra heads do not have a particularly strong scumgame, or at least i have been reading them accurately in all games we played recently, and i think they are town here. Refer to waifu upick and my normal with alisae/saudade/etc to see what i mean

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Ok, i have tried to spend some time sorting the Searchers, because they seemed to be a hot topic recently, so i have read their ISO trying to remove agreement bias and potential pocketing regarding my slot, but i haven't noticed anything that i would find scummy about them regardless. I see effort, content, and attempts to consistently solve with plausible progression. Everything can be faked, there's nothing -particularly- genuine about their posts but it's also something that scum would invest effort to make and i don't know if any of the heads would do that as scum?

I could also understand a lot of the sentiments behind their reads, mostly because i have roughly the same, but besides agreeing i don't see them voting on a bad progression or on consensus reads. The impression that i get is that they are not some super-high reputation or bop-able players, yet if they're scum i consider this to be a good scumgame from them - which means i would maintain my townlean until proven wrong.

Based on 993 i think the despair-searcher 1v1 is reasonably TvT, i don't really know (or understand) why they are scumreading each other. Let me elaborate - it's not just that i see where the scumreads come from but i disagree, i also fail to find any valid reason to keep this 1v1 up from their combined ISOs. I mean it's as if they clashed in some sort of RVS and never managed to come out of it - i know it was not RVS, but it's what it seems. This usually points to a TvS fight in my experience, but individually i read them both as town. The scumcase provided by Searchers in 981 is not particularly solid to me, i think Ms Despair wouldn't have produced post 781 if she wanted to take advantage of our early exchange in a scummy way - they had more than one opportunity to push a mislynch on me and they didn't, so i now feel happier about that slot and i'd like to hear what the Searchers have to comment on it.

Me and Searchers might be tunneled on egospray; after post 941 i may want to pause and reassess on their slot. To be fair a single post will probably not redeem their iso -for now- and there's no vote update from there after posting the readlist. Why? Also, would egospray pocket me as scum? If anybody knows, please tell me.

Having no experience with either head of the Searchers i might proxy my read to someone i could trust, but so far there are none that could convince me otherwise.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I could talk about disaster artists though. He's one of the slots that has been shading me since the very early game but has also been dodging questions - doesn't seem to be particularly interested into engaging with me to sort my slot. Reading them real-time i thought they produced more relevant content, but ISOing them looks like they weren't at all. All their votes are kinda poor to be honest, and the content/posts ratio is actually quite low, until they ended up voting us shortly after blake did.

Looks like they are trying to coast on one of the highest reputation players, assuming blake/yang is town - i have no strong reason to believe they're disaligned though. I could vote disaster artists in the near future.

@spiffy, based on 469+813 can you tell me your updated opinion on the Disaster Artists slot?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

97 meta expectation of ego sounded fake

-JC

Understandable, although it wasn't fake. Have you got an opinion on egospray?

Poke @disaster

-Farkran

That you a) have said you townread me twice
b) forgot which question I had even replied to
c) are now saying you want to vote me because I didn't reply when you forgot my initial reply and were asking about a null/town read which is not a read I expand on in this gamestate anyway

is like... an awful progression lol

-JC

If you read like two posts later there was another question, which was the one i actually wanted to poke you about (and i did).

You say that my questions are noise after, how many? Like 15 posts total?which means my interpretation of you not wanting to engage or sort my slot is correct.

Yes, i townleaned you, now i read your iso and i don't.

You're currently voting me, so you should be interested in sorting my slot. Do it.

-Farkran

Pedit: i get that we disagree about how we scumhunt, so let me see how you do it

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Gamma, we have been town together and scum together in the past, why do you still always scumread me when i am town? You're doing the same thing you were doing in magireco, and it's wrong

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Hydra lynches are both heads

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Fark what did I do in magireco again? I kinda scrubbed that from my mind.

Tunneling me for my posting style and assertions. I also scumreaded you though and mislynched you d3, so the thing has been mutual

But that's also a major reason why i am townreading you here, this is quite evidently the same towngame you displayed in the that game, as opposed to the mime nightless game and the TM mini theme

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I don't think Nacho does 783 and 784 if he's scum

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I re-read Despair Night's iso and I think they're town.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Spoiler: pops

Lash/pops, if you're going to do the roleplay thing, may I suggest you call town the Allied Nations instead of Orange Star, given the plot of Dual Strike seems to be what you're referencing with your hydra?

-Latios

Huh? I don't remember posting about the Dual Strike War. But you'd be right that talking about that war specifically is the only time Nell's gonna let you call Orange Star "Allied Nations", or talk very much about how Blue Moon and Yellow Comet used to be a thing. She probably would have had a harder time selling the rebrand if Jake and Rachel hadn't stolen so much thunder in the final battle.

Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.

VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko

-Blake

Why the least reasons for the Black Hole General? Your blueprints are clear and seem real, which makes me want to ally with you. But you are very scary when you have Black Hole's income, so I want to check all the corners. Did you know you can fit four entire Oozium units in a jelly jar?
You showed me the blueprints for Black Hole last in the Battle of Fusion too, but they were good news when I got them.
If I'll learn this later, ignore this missive.

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Tammy and I are Plusle and Minun. We have multiple abilities, but only one that really matters.

FOLLOW ME.

Every one in the game will be forced to target us tonight. As a result, there's an incredibly large chance that we die. If we do not, then we have yet another use of FOLLOW ME tomorrow night. If scum do not have a way to counterbalance us (and thus this ends in No Kills 2 nights in a row), then lolbalance, but from this moment on, I'm operating as if I'm knocking on death's door. If you want to make a connection with me or if you care about my opinion at all, don't wait - I will not be long for this world.

This role is exciting to me because this is very likely my last game for a long while and my personal feeling is that my town game is strongest when death is assured for some absurd reason. The characters are extremely important to me personally; Plusle and Minun were some of the first pokemon Tammy and I caught when playing Pokémon Go together, and we still stick that pair in gyms whenever we take them over, and the Plusle and Minun Christmas ornaments we have are my favorite.

My request of everyone listening is to lend us their voices and their votes; pay attention to me and hold me close because I will not be available to us for long.

(also please excuse my strange mood, I had a shit day of work and probably drank too much too quickly)

Wow, I have more feelings than at the midcampaign feasting party.

I think this CO Power virtually always belongs to Orange Star. I worry that this post was a mistake, and Black Hole has a CO power meant to be used right when the Helping Hand CO Power is used if its secret is revealed. But the cat is out of the bag.

The Helping Hand CO Power greatly helps Orange Star and anyone who poses the Roleblocker CO Power should know that using it on Imperium is the same as swearing allegiance to Black Hole Army. Any player with the Watcher CO Power should use it on Imperium directly, not relying on Helping Hand CO Power to guide it, to catch anyone who might do so.

@Nacho either siblings or a couple? Leaning couple just because if so then that means you may have ended up getting together after meeting on MS which adds to the list of those people (which I believe just has cabd and penguin_alien for ones I actually know about), plus the "meeting your spouse on MS" thing is kinda a meme between me, my sister, and my mom because of when I tried to tell them that MS wasn't some shady website and was actually quite wholesome, I referred to that.

you're correct! we're a mafiascum couple.

I didn't know this, but it's rad.

I agree and also very very very very very very very heavily doubt that Prism has a post restriction

He shouldn't need one to stop being LAME!

@Silver Bullet do you also scumread insomnia or is that just Hectic?

Or more generally speaking can you tell me how do you individually feel about insomnia?

-Farkran

I think scum!insomnia tries to use his ability to make good in real time interactions in order to get townreads. I don't feel like he's doing that right now!

- Silver Bullet

yeah i didn't like this post.

~som

Do you think it's too smart for someone who hasn't peeked at some Black Hole dossiers? If you are, I'm buying what you're selling, at Kanbei's prices.

I agree and also very very very very very very very heavily doubt that Prism has a post restriction

Okay so pops is the one with the funny posting, and it's not a pr, it's roleplaying

-Latios

Wowo, you and Hawke are both gonna call me weird, huh?
But I know not to throw away my guess on that. You've been taking very short turns this game, but I agree with Blake they seem more like quick Sami captures rather than sliding piperunners away from battle.

OH MY GODS I'M AN IDIOT

I've been sitting here wondering why you guys were talking about the restriction as if it were a real thing and been getting frustrate with you all for just accepting that it was a real thing and whether or not he was town due to the pr and was going to tell you all to stop being lazy in the way you were reading him because you should be looking at why he would choose to use the pics and how he's using the pics and such to determine his alignment not mostly that he had it, which I could also have been reading wrong I don't know I'm not totally caught up yet, but it's total my bad and I'm dumb.

I read his PSA in post 207 where he says that he "may" post in pictures this whole day as him saying he was probably going to post in pictures this whole day instead of "may" meaning he is only able to post in pictures this whole day which just yeah I'm an idiot and I guess I can stop deliberating about how they mentioned in Undertale that he was a bit new and timid scum and whether or not that meant that he was purposely trying to use the pictures to avoid having to say things or not.

Unless I was right all along and go me, but I think I'm probably dumb. Okay carry on.

By the way i did not understand what this post means, and i'm not sure what's imperium read on hectic after this explanation.

-Farkran

Also i'm leaving bitmap in control for the US prime timezone, 1.30 am here and i'm sleeping, see ya

I'm not sure it was supposed to represent a town read anyway, but it's townie of you to expect to only see AI content in order to solve. I spite your early questions though so you're probably sitting on null for a day. You fucked with insomnia :shrug:

~som

I do not understand this, but it has a tinkerworthy look to it. Could you explain this again, if no one else asked you to?

Conversation on page five between Despair and Mikoto feels a bit off but I can't quite put my finger on what I don't like about it. Mostly a note for myself to go back later.

Which battle's history did you study? Because in my first battle with Farkran, he s

Probably it was stupid as hell. I was mainly trying to pinpoint how useless it was and Fark latched on the bait. Maybe that's what gave you bad feelings, indeed it wasn't a good faith conversation, but not for scummy reasons, I'm just snarky when certain questions are asked and I'm pushed to answer.

~som

I played with scum fark recently in undertale and he spent pretty much the entire game doing that
when I meta'd him I found that his town game actually looks nothing like that
so I haven't really read the game yet but the "making a lot of nonsensical noise" is a major red flag from him

Hawke and I may not always see eye to eye, but our tag strength is a solid 110% on this CO.
Which battle's history did you study? In his very first game, he purchased anti-air units on a sea map and stored two bombers in a damaged cruiser. I would say it looked like nonsense. What made the difference is how much he would insist his plays are right, and overconfidence the strange moves he saw in response revealed data. The walkie talkie logs for the Battle of Undertale showed a CO Farkran who had mastered many skills but felt as nervous as a black costumed Colin about changing his tactics in a way that wouldn't reveal secrets.
Did you read the walkie talkie logs for the Battle of Undertale? I recommend them. The walkie talkies were devised by a genius.

No, I'd take this as a learning experience with Junko because she said she would help me with my scum game. Creating a dichotomy right now between how I'm posting and how she'll be posting because she's good with tone, it would only attract more scum leans on me and we probably get lynched in the end.

Tbf I'm confident if I get pushed by someone I'll cry like a baby and the wagon shifts on to like...gb maybe and then we go into D2 ignoring me and then I attempt to solve being pissed for attracting scum leans.

I was open wolfing, wasn't even trying. I was pushing things to get town read if anything, I remember having like 5 scum leans and posting in my scum PT that they shouldn't listen to me because my scumreads were all likely wrong, which they were.

~som

Yo, if CO JunkoChan's theme song has some Orange Star Chords, why wouldn't we be thinking you're Orange Star too since you're tag COs? Is it that deep down you know that's wrong??

It'll be a pretty krazy revelation I'm sure

CO John Cena, you talk to me or about me far less when with Black Hole, and once you finally do it sometimes tells me a lot about you. Why don't you sit down in the back of the jeep and tell me what a genius I am?
I've had trouble wanting to hit you up when I was only half sure about your disguise. I'm not one to try a shot and guess whether it will work out or not, I leave that to the robot and the dorky blonde.

I don't think we should blow this CO up day one. COs with weak stats have strong CO Powers, often. We don't know what side it's for, yeah, but CO Powers help more for Orange Star.

What does CO/CO power mean?

It might be easier to list this Battle's Commanding Officers than to explain it to you like I'm Nell or something. We both know I'm all kinds of lazy. Work smarter, not harder!:
COs:Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly)
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty)
Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey)
Black Hole Defection (popsofctown and Prism)
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy)
Mikoto and Kuroko (Bitmap and Farkran)
Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud)
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR)
Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus)
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher)
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf)
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer)
Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia)
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka)
Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald)
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf)
Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball)
A CO Power is a special effect you can use to damage your enemies, or protect your friends, or learn something new. Usually you're not going to be able to charge one up before the first nightfall, and usually you have to pick a CO to BLAST with it.
It's nearly certain every CO in this battle has a CO Power, but that's not always true in other battles, like in Battle of White Flag.

Why aren’t there 10 pages of spam already /s

-Latios

Because I just woke up

-J

Oh good you remembered this game existed

-Latias

Lazy shade.

I'm not quite following my head's townread on

Latios/Latias

just yet, why should I, or why not?

I think you should listen. I can understand some COs getting there more slowly, because neither CO is using more complex strategies Orange Star COs often must use to get S-Ranks. But to be nasty - they never do, and I have not found their simple moves very helpful, but they have always been towards the fight. CO John Cena has managed to make as many moves, draw less attacks, yet hide his units underwater every other move, and still we do not buy cruisers. That is more concerning than how simple Latias's helicopters are, there at least small tanks in play that make them on-topic.

The PR (real or not) doesn't make Cappy town

SC

Well yes but it s fun enough to let them live a bit longer honestly

You're not being a straight shooter. Why did you switch stories? None of the Fog of War on Cappy had moved, you only learned The Searchers don't like your take.

Ooh, I want this answered.

Thank you for your help, I am having to view so many previous moves this game I need the help.

Farkran wolf for mindmelding on Cappy

/s

hi farkran we aren't magical girls this time but we can be masons for real this time if you want :3


-E

I hope we do, i still feel bad about the last normal. I don't scumread you as of now so it's all good

Why the latibros scum? I think they are ok, not engaged much but no sign of scumminess yet?

-Farkran

This makes me think, no matter Farkran's army, his matching analysis style is going to be the thing that keeps me from getting BORED! Lots of people just flatly stating "this post is Black Hole". That's no fun! I hope we can tag, but even a thrilling enemy is something to look forwards to, Sonja knows that.

TOWN

Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald)

Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball)

How do you feel so certain about Cappy?

Reads as of 199.

(From rereading the thread.)

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
The Searchers (100%): Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Mikoto and Kuroko: 91 is a decent entrance, but it does give off the newer player vibe. (A bit too cordial, etc.) 122 has the same vibe as the entrance post. 127 is a good vote. 129 is a bit of a copout though.

Neutral Town

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)
Cappy (+50%): The posting restriction is definitely +town equity. I doubt it's faked even if it is Hectic we're talking about.

Latias and Latios (+40%): A little bit of gut with a hint of meta sprinkled in.

Spiffybringer (+34%): Fire is just being fire. Good vibes overall from their slot.

Null

(0%-30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Feminist Blocc (+3%): Feels townish, though Disaster Artists' lightheartedness around this slot is worrying.

Equitable Androids (+2%): I like the vote in 130.

Blake X Yang (+1%): 126 is a good point, but it's negated by the fact they didn't do anything to redirect the conversation. Their reads worry me though as they are basically the opposite of mine.

egospray (-8%): First several posts are doing pretty much nothing.

Imperium (-9%): Not fond of entrance posts like 190.

Neutral Scum

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)
Dispair Night (-40%): 49 is a poor first impression. 123 is obnoxious, and it is something I can see scum doing.

Disaster Artists (-47%): 70 is something scum would say. 79 strikes me poorly as well. Too buddy-buddy for my tastes. Despite what they say, 181 *is* overly pedantic.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

​​

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

Players are placed in different sections based on my confidence in the read expressed as a percentage. A positive percentage indicates that I leans towards town on a player whereas a negative percentage indicates I lean towards scum on a player. Please note that the Null section contains both townreads and scumreads, and you must look a the sign of the percentage in parenthesis to determine which way I lean.

Confidence ratings are rough estimates (and somewhat arbitrary) and are relative to one another. In addition, they tend to be scored on a quadratic scale versus a linear scale; in other words, the difference between 0% and 30% tends to be less than the difference between 30% and 60%.

Disclaimer: These reads reflect my reads and not those of my hydra partner.

~Ircher

Well no shit that's a nice readlist. And aside from the good formatting i see that we agree on the relevant stuff.

No way. It should be black.

I'm townreading Mikoto & Kuroko and Blake and can't remember Taly's name

- Silver Bullet

Also sorry i thought i had enabled signature on this account but apparently i didn't so forgive me for this test post where i fix the issue

-Farkran

The post I mentioned earlier is not as whack as a Bitmap post, since he fought in a similar way alongside Orange Star in the Battle of Magical Girls.
I've mostly not read the opening dossier about how each CO has disguised themselves. It's more fun to make some mistakes, even if it causes a death or two. Teehee.

Both Spiffeh and Fire are playing to their metas
Not town or scum, just their usual

SC

Spiffybringer (+34%)

Yo, 34% is a big number. You don't have to be a genius like me to realize that's not "usual". Responding to a request for your blueprints by saying you didn't build it anyway is what my Black Hole lieutenants did when they were missing deadlines, because they don't know how to build anyway.
Vote: Searcher
Unbolded, I am not caught up yet and will not catch up before I need to go to bed, so Hawke can continue to move the chesspieces, for now. But if you want a genius's take, this says most about uniform color of anything I've read so far.

Why are you interested in this specific read of

Ircher

and not the other reads that have higher confidence or even less specific reasoning?

You're definitely not picking up what I'm putting down. CO Ircher did not abandon any of his other plans, just that one, and that was the only one or one of few he was asked about. When he was asked about it, he cancelled the project, and tried to pretend he didn't feel that strongly about doing it anyway. If he was Orange Star, even if being asked made him realize his blueprints weren't as good as he remembered, he would not abandon a plan with a strength of 34%. He would not care about embarassment and looking like a bad CO, as Black Hole worries about that more.
Neither a plan of 34% or 0% on CO Spiffybringer is bad on its own. Switching back and forth for which one you think pleases people is jank!

I will get to you

Searcher/Farkran

, about to head into another online lecture.

-yang

Looking cute won't win you combat Nell.
Blake is the easier opponent for me, I think I mentioned that after the Battle of Purgatory, so I'm looking forward to seeing her on the battefield here and not just in your HQ. Your moves have been a blur to me thus far. Are you an Eagle?

im a toucan bby

But yeah, my moves are blurry to me even, tbh. If you mean

"opponent"

in a flavor context, as in ease of reading and not combating, then I'm inclined to see your genuineness.

Though, you're not accomplishing much by keeping me in stated mystery.

I found it harder to determine whether you were loyal to Black Hole in the Battle of Purgatory, but it seemed clear to me that Blake was on their payroll.

Ok first of all, key to reading pops' posts:

pops vocabulary

Orange Star = Town
Black Hole = Scum
Black Hole General = highest scumread
CO = Player
CO power = Ability
Walkie Talkie logs = the pages of a game
Battle History = a game

I think she might have a posting restriction about a sci-fi war theme, or at least she is forbidden to say any game-related word and has chosen a theme she likes to flavor about. This looks like a lot of effort to be done on purpose, so i tend to believe it's true - which also reinforces my belief in Hectic's sincerity about his own post restriction, unless the two slots are connected somehow. Pops would produce content as both alignments so this is less AI than Hectic, but read accuracy is more of a perk of town!pops since she isn't a busser by choice. Blake and pops are most certainly never SvS and i think pops is town.

That doesn't necessarily imply that Blake is scum, but her ISO and push is still not satisfying to me. I'm not particularly convinced that she's scum after reconsidering though, she might very well be wrong about her approach to read me. Post 1128 is a clear misrepresentation of my meta, which makes me think she didn't check my other games and just formed expectations about how i would play based on the TM large and the anarchist game - this is a towny process to scumread someone, yet i would have hoped blake was more accurate. I don't know how much of yang's influence is deviating my knowledge of blake, but she definitely isn't producing good reads in this game - not that all of them are inherently wrong (670 has a set of townreads that i think is correct, but they were also consensus-level at the time), just that there's considerably less than average effort in producing them; she seems to be tolerating too many nullreads and has the strongest determination to push wrong scumreads rather than exploring other possibilities and reassess - instead, she dismisses the game (1143, 1147). This looks more of an alyssa trait than blake (she changes personalities with different accounts) and might be related to foul irl mood/other issues rather than being scum though. That said, this slot is still on the nullscum side to me and i wouldn't be against lynching them today if there is interest.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

VOTE: Disaster Artists

VOTE: Disaster Artist

In the meanwhile, there is a good wagon forming on a scumread of mine, so

VOTE: Disaster Artist

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Farkran

, I genuinely think that all of your assessments of this slot - at least

Blake

- are wrong, contradictory, or a weird angle to take but I don't want to derail the thread and disrupt gameflow by putting you into a crater, since I'm not as confident as

Blake

on the scumread here.

-yang

Ok, this is an interesting point to bring up, so i am going to elaborate on what i think blake is doing wrong (the scummy side of wrong) and you will tell me why my perception is bad, deal?

1) I think blake is not engaging with me to sort my slot. She has expectations about what i would do, but does no effort to understand if/why there are variations in my play. Her read is not only inaccurate, it's surface level and lazy. I could expect such a push very early in the game to make the gamestate move forward, not around page 20 or something when there are already established wagons and plenty of content to analyze from the active slots.

2) Aside from my own slot, i do not see blake engaging with any of the slots she's unsure about. See 670 to understand what i am talking about. She complains about the lack of info about her null slots and a noisy gamestate, but does nothing to improve the situation, instead chooses to vote a slot who has produced tons of content over trying to explore any of

"NL, Smol Might, Flavortown, Egospray, Feminist Blocc, Equitable Androids, and Black Hole Defection are slots I'm not expressly townreading or scumreading"

.

Now those are the major points that led me to believe your slot could be scum. While i don't have any experience with you, i can definitely see blake as scum going for a plausible hero push on a slot she knows could be a threat later on, as opposed to pushing lhf which would be the level 0 play here. From town!blake, i would expect her to be much more careful and interested in the correctness of pushes.

So, if you know something that i don't, i.e. your private discussions that led you to produce these conclusions, please inform me of the missing links that made me perceive you as scum and i may further my reconsideration.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Look at the account pops is using though. It's based on the Advance Wars game series. And the terminology pops uses in consistent. Now tell me this: if pops were to have this post restriction, why does it not apply to Prism? I see no reason to apply it to only Lash (what pops Flavor would be) and not Hawke (Prism's proposed flavor). It's just roleplay.

-Latios

Oh, this would make a lot of sense. I didn't know the source of the terminology, i just noticed that there is consistency in the words of interest he's using, so i identified that orange star is town and black hole is scum, etc. If this is not a post restriction, pops has a nice amount of time to waste, but actually i can see pops doing just that to spice up the game flavorwise.

By the way, hydra heads receive separate role pms with very different perks and abilities, so there would be no issues in Prism and Silver Bullet talking normally when their partners don't. I don't think the restriction or lackthereof is AI at all, if anything it's very slightly townish because of the effort put into it and the will to draw attention.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Yang, ignoring me accidentally or on purpose?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

NL should die.

I like my other head's vote.

Yang needs to respond to us.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Conversation on page five between Despair and Mikoto feels a bit off but I can't quite put my finger on what I don't like about it. Mostly a note for myself to go back later.

What was weird about it?

Also Blake x Yang giving me good vibes with their recent posts.

-Mikoto

So, I just posted a whole response to you which got deleted somehow just as I was about to be done, so the other one was probably better unless this one is amazing then the second go round is great! (I blame my cat)

BUT

Did you really just ask me to explain something I just said I can't explain?

If you're asking me because you didn't read then twitch twitch twitch

but if you're asking me to at least try cuz you like reading weird roundabout thoughts then okay I can work with that

When I first read your interaction it sounded to me a bit like how scum try to sound like they're definitely not a pair. But thought that was my knee-jerk response when I read it again I wasn't so convinced that that was it but there still felt like there was something there. <----that feeling might have originated with your first question which was super empty like why wouldn't someone want a vig shot? vig shot is at the top of the best roles ever, so asking why someone wanted one was super empty and felt like you trying to figure out how to start a conversation with someone. From there it just got weirder because while despair was being coy and that's whatever, you were really over formal. Like to me you just read like someone standing over despair in a stuffed shirt talking down to her and it read really formal and weird. And after undertale, nacho was talking to me about why he thought he originally misread your meta in that when he only read your scum games he got a picture of you as someone who was very formal as scum and I was like is this what nacho was talking about with the formalities of a scum game? I don't know, but something just felt off about that conversation, enough that I read it a few times trying to figure out why I got a bit fixated on it. Might be nothing, might be something.

Catching up

Note that you're talking to bitmap here, not Farkran! He's the Mikoto of our pair.

I get the formal/newbietone/too stiff description all the time, and i already explained my thought process about the vig question in a later post. I don't know why formality would be scum indicative, but i have pretty much already sorted you for today (also in a later post). Could you answer 811 though? That's one quite important question.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Idk I thought Farkran's entrance seemed p. genuine so I kinda wrote them off, I'm a little iffier on their more recent posts.

~Spiffy

Elaborate on what is iffier on my recent posts?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

VOTE: Imperium

What's this?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Titus, vastly different from the little i know about scum!titus, similar to town!titus in the open TM where i was discussing with NaCl. I do not have a reputation of reading gobble well, but i am currently fairly confident on this slot being town. To elaborate, the scum!titus i know is by far more aggressive and less interested in communicating with other slots, more like she wants to destroy them with arguments that could be good or bad depending on the situation, but the point is that there is no interest in communication as a mean to re-evaluate, whereas in this game titus does communicate.

-Farkran

this isn't titus's scum v town meta btw
i thought you didn't really like meta?

I dislike doing metadives, but i like going from memory. I played with scum!titus once and she was terrible with relationships. I've seen town!titus in TM and she was town. I think this titus is town.

Correct me if i am mistaken, because my knowledge of town!titus is little, and that of scum!titus is even less. My read is not entirely based on meta though.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

*claps at Insomnia/Imperium*

After a very lazy

Smol Might

ISO skim, I thought this was a solid vote since:

Notice: Post Restrictions are not restricted to town and can also be faked

-J

Is the sum of what I dislike in discussing all validities of claims, so what warrants a vote on this slot?

-yang

yang i don't know what the second half of this post means but the post of smol might you quote here is a direct response to Farkran calling Hectic town because meta, which imo is a very fair response to that super incorrect assertion

Why are you assuming that my read of hectic is entirely meta as well? Besides, you were the one who spared hectic because of his scum meta in Undertale - i think in this case hectic meta reinforces my read, but it's not all that there is to it. Hectic is very likely town here.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

So let's play a game called "getting nightkilled on N1", inspired by A50!

We're already a good target since Hectic is loaded and we're being townread by many (some of them with really shitty reasoning so look that up when we die), but this are my reads, some discussed with Mario himself and others just by the sweetest ball of all:

Blake x Yang - town
Disaster Artists - scum
Egospray - town
Black Hole Defection - town
Imperium - town
Mikoto and Kuroko - town
Smol Might - scum
NL - town
Equitable Androids - town
The Searchers - null
Flavortown town
Spiffybringer - null
Despair Night - town
Feminist Blocc - scum
Latias and Latios - town
Unapologetically Foxy - null
Cappy - town

12 towns, 2 nulls, 3 scums.

Pretty much solved, you're welcome!

- Silver Bullet

Can you elaborate on these please?
- Blake/yang town
- NL town
- egospray town

These are the reads i disagree with, on a decent level of confidence.

I really want to see what am i missing about blake/yang for everyone to read them as town when they have refused to produce anything useful about the gamestate, and the only reason i am doubting my scumread of them is because bitmap talked me out of it and i have wrongly considered their progression on me. As the game moves forward though, they still have only 1 scumread, which i know to be wrong, and no tentative to improve.

NL town seems incredibly lazy as a read for somebody who has less than 10 posts overall, none of which is AI to me?

egospray town is eh.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Lol fuck me for having to decide which is the scum in Imperium and Spiffy

Lol JC should get shot lol he’s scum lol

~som

So you've finally decided to answer my early question?

Jokes aside, you can join us on the wagon against scum. It's a good wagon, i currently have prism/pops as locktown based on pops posting (prism looks like town too but i just don't feel accurate enough on him, way way more confident on pops town), and flavorleaf is miles away from his scum meta

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Spoiler: Disaster Artists

I mean I'm sure surprised you decided to give up your chances of endgaming with one post

Shame you didn't roll town this game

And you had that chance too at the very beginning

-JC

I mean town you isn't braindead enough to write that post so I mean you're never alive past day 3 now

Like I don't know why you make that play but you're not recovering from it

-JC

I mean you just said you wanted less pressure and then you proposed a vig shot on me. That does not compute

I'm gonna say town you does not make that play because town you knows you get lynched over me every single time this game

I don't really know what you were going for but I can't imagine a world where you are willing to risk drawing my spite as town. I have to assume you're just trying to flip your play from the superlarge and maybe thought you would not become immediately dead and happened to be mistaken

-JC

Ok, so now you just explained why you're scum. You thought you'd get townread for a play that makes no sense. The problem is your play makes no sense from a town POV. You don't come off our last three games together and say 'oh yeah vig john cena night 1' when you have no read of me.

And if you do make that play as town, then well you will learn from your mistake with your death. Either way, congrats on earning an immediate death!

-JC

Town you does not volunteer for death. That was my point.

-JC

So... this is an omgus move without the vote, while despair nights is currently the top wagon and very plausibly lynchable. How does the displayed confidence in the quoted posts match with your lack of an action here?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Cappy, Latiguys and Despair Night

this is a good time to consolidate the wagon again Disaster Artists. The wagon is good and Despair Artists is likely scum.

1) There's no reason to shoot insomnia over lynching her hydra as of now, that's completely bullshit because she is lynchable but they still want to shoot her because she won't flip by removing just 1 head. Keeping one of the most scumread slots in the game when you ALSO believe they are scum is bad.
2) DA iso goes from shitposting with specks of content to shade town to omgus half of the playerlist
3) Associatives make sense. I know a lot of you don't play with preflip associatives, but i like to have a view of a possible gamestate when pushing for a lynch. My current solve is NL+egospray+disaster+blake for the record.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

One head of a hydra won't flip. Vig shots only remove one head.

A hydra lynch will flip.

Besides, blake, i have been trying to engage with you AND yang long before now, yet you decide to answer me only to defend DA on a read that, as town, you cannot be sure about? No thanks

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Farkran

, I genuinely think that all of your assessments of this slot - at least

Blake

- are wrong, contradictory, or a weird angle to take but I don't want to derail the thread and disrupt gameflow by putting you into a crater, since I'm not as confident as

Blake

on the scumread here.

-yang

Ok, this is an interesting point to bring up, so i am going to elaborate on what i think blake is doing wrong (the scummy side of wrong) and you will tell me why my perception is bad, deal?

1) I think blake is not engaging with me to sort my slot. She has expectations about what i would do, but does no effort to understand if/why there are variations in my play. Her read is not only inaccurate, it's surface level and lazy. I could expect such a push very early in the game to make the gamestate move forward, not around page 20 or something when there are already established wagons and plenty of content to analyze from the active slots.

1)

To my understanding, this is part of her

Blake

meta, she's much more concrete with how she expresses herself and takes the game to a very logical level and doesn't open up a lot about her internal thoughts, at least to the thread.

2)

Why are expectations invalid here? In my eyes, she's scumreading you for having a variation of play unlike what she's seen before, so I don't agree that you paint this as a scum push or even state that her expectations/read are surface level and lazy.

3)

Read my above quote reply to

Cappy

.

"Lots of content to analyaze"

is not conducive to gamesolving for everybody, I think this holds true with how

Blake

forms reads too.

1) I had a chat with Alyssa on discord before rolepms for this game were sent out, she tested me about reading some of Blake Belladonna's games to see whether i could identify her alignment. I have a very very poor record of reading Ankamius, but i had a good score on Blake. This is not enough to assert that i know exactly how Blake would play, but nothing that she has done is correct on a logical level. It's true that she doesn't open up about her internal thoughts, and that's why i asked you (her hydra partner) to clarify, which you didn't.

2) Expectations without knowledge are usually bad, but as i said, it's a towny process to scumread someone and they can be used to advance the early gamestate. You can use them to form weak reads initially, which you would develop and explore later as people react to them, not to form your one and only confident scumread. Being wrong does not make you scum, it's how she followed-up/behave in other circumstances that make me doubt your slot. Is it true or not that she has only one scumread? Is it true or not that she refuses to engage with reads she's not confident about? Those are the questions i want answered from the one non-blake person that would know them if she is town.

3) I think producing lots of content is towny of hectic, but it's not only content quantity, it's also content quality. The cappy slot is trying to work with townreads but doubts them, he is trying to identify scum but he's not shooting in the dark while at the same time being confident he would hit the correct target. These are all town traits that are evident in pretty much all of Hectic posts. Going back to blake, i don't want to be townread out of the amount of content i am dishing out, i want her to analyze it, and analyze everyone else too. I have not seen blake doing so in this game. You have done it, to some extent, but there's still only one scumread coming out of your slot and regardless of the fact that i know it's wrong, it makes it sounds like you are not interested in shipping a solve

2) Aside from my own slot, i do not see blake engaging with any of the slots she's unsure about. See 670 to understand what i am talking about. She complains about the lack of info about her null slots and a noisy gamestate, but does nothing to improve the situation, instead chooses to vote a slot who has produced tons of content over trying to explore any of

"NL, Smol Might, Flavortown, Egospray, Feminist Blocc, Equitable Androids, and Black Hole Defection are slots I'm not expressly townreading or scumreading"

.

1)

This game is a lot to keep up with sorting multiple people at once. I don't think you saying

Blake

not engaging with EVERY slot she's unsure about to be a problem... Don't you have a lot of people as null? I can give 5+ readslist right now of so many people not having a concrete viewpoint of slots, and you're hammering this onto

Blake

for ???

Also,

Blake

has a hydra head to lean on -

ME

. I'm focusing on other slots right now to read, and if I wasn't so attuned to listen to your misreps and pushes on this slot, I'd be deep in on all the people she's unsure about because for most of them, I feel it.

2)

You're still making the SAME logical fallacy of

"lots of content is great!"

except worse with

"lots of content means town!"

It makes it sound like you're brushing all the details of active players off, and are scumreading whoever doesn't share YOUR specific viewpoint.

Your desire to assert your viewpoint over others is extremely high and I don't see this from town often, or at least town that wins games.

3)

Blake

also isn't complaining about lack of information... she's complaining about the lack of readability since a lot of perspectives in this game clashing all at once makes it very difficult to filter what's AI specific.

Even if she was complaining due to this, it's in her playstyle to be more concise and blunt about her opinions of the gamestate versus the reads themselves.

A complete misrep of everything i said in this game. Consistent with you saying that you have a problem with game readability, but once again the problem is not JUST that you are wrong, it's that i should be your main focus since i am your only scumread and the current target of your vote - either you are so confident in your read that you have already put me aside as sorted, which is presumptuously impossible given how early you cast that vote, or it's because you really want to remove me. Not what town would do.

Now those are the major points that led me to believe your slot could be scum. While i don't have any experience with you, i can definitely see blake as scum going for a plausible hero push on a slot she knows could be a threat later on, as opposed to pushing lhf which would be the level 0 play here. From town!blake, i would expect her to be much more careful and interested in the correctness of pushes.

So, if you know something that i don't, i.e. your private discussions that led you to produce these conclusions, please inform me of the missing links that made me perceive you as scum and i may further my reconsideration.

-Farkran

So your scumread of this whole hydra is a BoP on

Blake

D1? What the hell?

You're holding someone to a high standard of play when the game just began, in a game of 34 people... If

Blake's

wrong, you have such a large reason to push her, or there's a large amount of suspicion to be pledged against this slot. If

Blake's

correct, you're discrediting the basis and context of her vote and push now to cast an even greater standard of play to her reads, or find fallacies with why she came to her conclusions.

This mentality is problematic if you're town, and advantageous if you're scum.

I also don't like that you feel inclined to hear the nuances of my hydra conversation with

Blake

. Regardless of your alignment, following the 100% read progression of this slot is pretty detrimental early-game in a large like this, essentially, we give scum information more than illuminate and enlighten the town the more we convey any gaps people may dig into our thought processes.

You can continue the tunnel on this slot and not reconsider based on the above, but I'm not losing sleep over it.

This last quote can be entirely paraphrased to "i don't know how to make a scumcase on you and i want to scumread you for THIS reason alone". How does not outing your thought process help town, again?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I think Feminist Blocc is town? Probably not going to die on that hill but the scum read on Searchers is easy to follow through. It actually doesn’t feel like the

typical scum that chooses their target for the day and lock on them.

They also have some sentences that I have trouble associating to scum mindset.

I guess it’s fine for now.

~som

I'll stop bombarding you with questions for now, but do you think

Fark

is doing the bolded?

This is what you are doing, if you haven't noticed - this line of questioning is loaded and it requires a very low effort on my ISO to see that you are not even my main scumread, i just think you are plausibly scum and would lynch you if there is interest, but right now i'd rather flip DA.

Egospray was also going to be a good lynch but i don't particularly like the last two votes cast there. Incidentally, @despair, why did you join a wagon with your scumread on egospray instead of DA?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I'm very confused why I should necessarily be focusing on my scumreads.

-Blake

I asked you long ago what was your confidence level on your read of me. You didn't answer. You can answer now, and clear your confusion by yourself based on that answer.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I never actually scum read JC. It was merely an observation that can probably be checked, he wasn’t really solving anything, or his questions rather had no attempt at sorting anyone. I retained nothing of JC’s posts and that speaks volumes about him, primarily because I always retain whatever fucked up shit he does, be it either claiming to shoot me (:*) or just about any push. If my comment helped him get out of his shell then that’s fine.

I am looking to spread my focus across the table, when I realized I haven’t remembered anything that he’s done, instead of looking back in his ISO to either confirm or deny my belief, I just stated it in the thread to gauge out reactions on his part. I wasn’t looking to really push him and I was aware me not remembering stuff from his posts didn’t make him scum, because I mostly zooted across many posts. I wasn’t pushing a case, I mostly wanted to see how he’d reply. Always better with players like Krazy. You can tell their alignment based on emotion.

~som

I don't have a lot of experience with Krazy, but that doesn't seem to be the kind of emotional response that town would make. I think of myself as a decent emotion reader in players, and truly angered town usually do one of the following:

A. Call you a terrible player that deserve to die even if you are town and refuse to speak with you ever again, <insert insults of various nature here>
B. Call you scum

and vote you

even if you have 0 votes and are townread by everyone else in the game, with a lion's confidence in you being scum because of how wrong you are with your reads

I have never seen angered town react like "you're scum but i'm gonna lynch somebody else, i'll wait until day end to deal with you, and even then i won't even flip you". What makes you think that Krazy is this type of person?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I'm very confused why I should necessarily be focusing on my scumreads.

-Blake

I asked you long ago what was your confidence level on your read of me. You didn't answer. You can answer now, and clear your confusion by yourself based on that answer.

-Farkran

That depends on which point in the game you are referring to.

-Blake

Feel free to elaborate your progression, as i just said to yang i don't see how keeping it hidden would help town, nor how outing it would help scum. Out your scumcase.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

This VC looks like a step back from the previous state. Egospray now looks like a counterwagon to DA for no reason, since he was being hot earlier in the day but then everyone dropped it to vote elsewhere. As of VC 7 and 8, egospray had zero votes, why is he popular again now?

@spiffy, despair, searchers

I feel like i could be wrong on The Searchers among those three, his switch does not look good.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Town, but I'm feeling really salty that she tried to shoot me down on my alt guess and seems to favor JC over me here

-Latios

CO Blake Belladonna didn't admit it to me when I guessed her disguise right, but not surely, in the Battle of Masons and Mafia. She must think disguises can help even if someone is pretty sure.

--------------------------------------------

CO John Cena, I'm wondering why you started this battle in a disguise but recited many of your signature quotes in a way likely to reveal you. Did you plan to reveal yourself at one point, or did tactics you saw during the battle make you decide to?

Indirect combat units are accumulating on the cells three tiles away from Tag Team egospray, as shown the Superbly Subtle Technology Battle Position Visualizer. I have good intel on CO GeorgeBailey and I have been hoping to see a tactic or two that I can confidently peg as Orange Star due to the lower rank he would get if he joined Black Hole, but I haven't yet found one. So I can't nag COs about this artillery, but I also can't remember why they want to, and I wanna see more of the skinny on why he is with Black Hole.

After reviewing more logging after my catnap, I'm getting the vibe more and more that CO insomnia is Black Hole. He seems to keep saying that CO John Cena is likely Black Hole, but he fully expects CO John Cena to abide by the One Nation Convention on Ethical Warfare signed after the Dual Strike War in how he uses his Vig CO Power. But Black Hole is not a signatory to that convention. While it is possible for CO insomnia to suspect that CO John Cena is Black Hole but not be certain, he's getting very fired up and being unsure would tone down him down if he didn't have a Black Hole dossier that confirms CO John Cena is with Orange Star.

I need to speak with Hawke about our artillery position, which I would like to move towards Tag Team Despair Night, but the current position is definitely a no go so UNVOTE:


Preview technology shows Hawke has just spoken. He may be ticked I don't have my walkie talkie right now, but I will in a few hours.

Can you elaborate more on your thought process about insomnia after reading 1723? Both the quoted part from insomnia and my objection to it. I really don't think that scum!insomnia would back off from joining a town!DA wagon if that's what you are implying in this post of yours.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

1. Your initial entrances to the game across both heads gave the impression of a scum mindset rather than a town one. Your entrance to the game was strangely more cordial than what I've been used to seeing from you. I will go into Bitmap's entrance and why I believe that was scum motivated later on.

The first sentence is loaded. The second one is a terrible reason to make a push 20+ pages into the game, personality expectations do not produce a confident read - especially when false, easily verified by metadiving me - i have already told you that and you aren't even trying to check. A wrong scumread is plausible from your POV, your confidence is not, this is my problem with you right now.

2. When I called you out, your response was to take the time to set up your counterpush with shade and by taking the time to go into your other reads first. My personality read on you suggests that you would wish to challenge me outright immediately instead of the political approach that you instead used. I strongly suspect that your approach is based on increasing your own odds of winning the upcoming engagement as much as possible in order to stall the momentum rather than risking a direct confrontation immediately and coming across as defensive or starting on the back foot in this engagement.

At this point, I had already decided I would not be engaging into this, as it had a high likelihood of outright derailing the game, and the quality of the playerlist is high enough that even with this slot getting lynched day one and flipping scum, it would turn out better for the scumteam in the long run. It is far more productive to put pressure on the rest of the game in the way that I'm best able to, by methodically identifying town. I also am knowledgeable enough about how debates and general discourse works to know that when players are on opposite sides, those who decide the topic of the engagement have a distinct advantage in how it plays out.

Take the time? Are you referring to this?

Spoiler: this

OH MY GODS I'M AN IDIOT

I've been sitting here wondering why you guys were talking about the restriction as if it were a real thing and been getting frustrate with you all for just accepting that it was a real thing and whether or not he was town due to the pr and was going to tell you all to stop being lazy in the way you were reading him because you should be looking at why he would choose to use the pics and how he's using the pics and such to determine his alignment not mostly that he had it, which I could also have been reading wrong I don't know I'm not totally caught up yet, but it's total my bad and I'm dumb.

I read his PSA in post 207 where he says that he "may" post in pictures this whole day as him saying he was probably going to post in pictures this whole day instead of "may" meaning he is only able to post in pictures this whole day which just yeah I'm an idiot and I guess I can stop deliberating about how they mentioned in Undertale that he was a bit new and timid scum and whether or not that meant that he was purposely trying to use the pictures to avoid having to say things or not.

Unless I was right all along and go me, but I think I'm probably dumb. Okay carry on.

By the way i did not understand what this post means, and i'm not sure what's imperium read on hectic after this explanation.

-Farkran

Also i'm leaving bitmap in control for the US prime timezone, 1.30 am here and i'm sleeping, see ya

I am caught up.

Imperium is town. I'm familiar enough with Tammy to believe that her posting is more likely to come from town than scum.
Spiffybringer is town. Spiffeh's approach to the game doesn't look scum motivated.
Latias and Latios is town. I strongly suspect that I'd be catching on to them by now if they were scum with how much they're posting and how relevant a lot of it is.
Disaster Artists is likely town. I'm not necessarily locktowning them at this point like I feel I should be if they are town, but I don't believe that indicates scum either.
Unapologetically Foxy is likely town through my personality read on Xofelf, but I notably have only seen her play once in recent memory that I am aware of.
The Searchers is likely town. This is a gutread from SirCakez' posting.
Cappy is likely town. I don't get the impression that the hydra would be playing the way they are if they rolled scum this game.

NL, Smol Might, Flavortown, Egospray, Feminist Blocc, Equitable Androids, and Black Hole Defection are slots I'm not expressly townreading or scumreading.

Despair Night is a slight scumread.
Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.

VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko

-Blake

If I can't engage by reading 20+ pages that boomed out of nowhere, then I'm taking a much more conversational approach to adapt, at least until I have a better handle of more than just a handful of players.

I think not looking into my push for content a second deeper is a very surface level mentality, and I'm weeding that out because it's a reason why the game is so dense. Namely, if people are more talkative, then they either provide tons of content or none at all - and it's very likely AI. That's how I sort in this situation.

-yang

p-edit

Maybe but everyone would be more excited to see your spicy hot takes without guidance

-JC

Speaker

is town, I've never encountered

Ircher

with this level of content that isn't town of him. A lot of his reads aren't the most popular at first glance, at least in my agreement with him, but he's not enforcing his will upon others, so I think he's town here. He's not aligning to a specific thought process and constructing his own.

Night Despair

felt town for reasons I've already mentioned. I don't follow the suspicion on him and I enjoyed some of their entrance posting, tbh.

You're very likely town to me because you're consistently in the thread but are finding means to sort - this is reinforced by who I think you are,

Cena

. I figured you wouldn't have such a conversational tone and sort in a scum POV because you're capable of devising very nuanced plans.

Unapologetic Foxy

actually felt town off first glance but that could be me misreading their personal vibe as AI. Through scampering the thread before it got larger earlier, I found that they townread this hydra -

and I want them to elaborate on why.

Since they supported someone who 1/2 of the hydra didn't agree with one of the first wagons of the game, I want to know what about this hydra's content is appealing.

Farkran Hydra

is harder to follow since multiple people with experience have expressed confusion in relation to their vibe - my other head

Blake

included. I like their consistent posting for content but I think they focus on details a bit much, and I'd like to become more conversational with them when it's more possible. I don't have a strong pull on this hydra either way, but I do not care for the other head saying

"guess I'll have to obvtown"

at some point, seemed defensive in nature.

I'm kind of sad

Hectic

died, I wanted to see why he felt

Farkran hydra/This hydra

was town, since both of us didn't have a clarified read on the other even after a subtle exchange.

Also, I greatly abhor people discussing post restrictions. It solves nothing. It's NAI.

Have not liked anything I've seen of

ego

, they've been present but not doing much. I disliked their associative of

Night Despair/this hydra

because I didn't feel convinced by the push there? Yeah, not stellar reasoning, but it's something. I want to communicate with my head before doing a push, ideally.

Everyone pushing

Pops

to die for winning the game feels very weird, and I want the reasoning explained.

I liked something about

Prism's

posting but I forgot.

Interesting post from Yang, whereas i remember a terrible push from blake happening several pages ahead of where i am at. These two hydra are both reasonably active (not top posters, but also definitely not lurkers) but do not seem to be privately communicating about their opinions. I have just recently played my first game in a hydra with alisae, and we've been collaborating the shit out of that game as a town slot. This hydra with bitmap is vastly different, but that's because bitmap is fairly disengaged with the game so far.

Yet, i would expect that taly/alyssa would be much more in line with their posting, and seeing these independent strikes from them is not something i'm fancying right now. Their voting pattern is also a bit weird based on progression, but i'll go about this later when i get to blake posts.

-Farkran

On to stronger reads:

707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.

A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.

I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.

Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.

VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.

Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.

-Farkran

I have answered your vote within 5 posts of my catchup. Look at the times: 799 is 5.17am (bitmap time as he created this account), 818 is 7.30am. From post 802 to 811 there is 1 hour of delay. Convert the times to CET and you will notice that the period in-between is lunchtime.

As for the other part, you do not stall the momentum on your own, or your opponent's wagon by instantly becoming the center of attention, or in my case even moreso, when you have a single vote on yourself. There was no momentum in the first place, and i identified a bad push, of course i want to win the argument. Actually i could use some Prism insight about this.

@Prism, can you give me an elaborated and updated opinion on my 1v1 with blake after this post?

3. When I stopped engaging into you, you became more aggressive in your attacks, but only at specific times. Notably, you started pushing me for not proactively pushing for my nullreads to give better content, not analyzing your process when you have no evidence that I am not already doing so, and for not focusing on my scumreads rather than townreads when I do engage into the game more completely. You have gone on record in your initial counterattack that you believe I am scum for my townreads being consensus townreads as well as my scumreads being your townreads while my nullreads are your scumreads. This is not an approach to sort my slot, which you are claiming to do. This is looking to poke holes in my play to weaken my position as much as you are able, likely to weaken my influence since there are several slots that have already properly identified that I am town. Notably, you have been shifting your approach towards this while also challenging people on their townreads of me. You aren't trying to get a scumread lynched. This is very notably different than your play in Korina is a Cultist, where even with the amount of resistance you got towards lynching me, you still stubbornly pressed on regardless because it was a genuine read.

Of course i started attacking you when i noticed i was your only scumread. If you look carefully, my progression on you is "idk i want more content from you" > "you're scum for a terrible push" > "maybe she is wrong town rather than scum" > "but then again there's literally no trace of doubt in her read which is not what town would think". Notably, i have never attacked any of the slots who townread you, except Disaster Artists, because i think he's scum independently of you - the fact that you make sense as his partner is a reinforcement, not a basis for my theory. This tells us a lot about the attention you've put into your read of me, because i have never once attacked imperium, for instance, although i have asked people why they would find you towny to see if there was anything i missed because i was biased against your slot for voting me.

Honestly, this is the deepest tunnel i have seen you enter both in our games together and in the ISOs i read from you, and i have never seen you react to a push in the way you are doing here. Aside from the fact that in Korina is a Cultist i was not town, you have been one of the most popular lynch targets and your reaction was reading the other slots and offering competent analysis on their behavior, not assault a single target while ignoring everyone else in the process or brushing them off as "evidently town" the same as you did with DA - for no reason at all, except agreement bias on your side.

4. Bitmap's posting is not town. He has played just like he had in Titus v Alisae, most notably that he understands he needs to do specific things, but doesn't actually do them. He has done remarkably little in the game, mentioned early on that he needs to obvtown in this game, and then continues doing next to nothing outside of a single wallpost. He similarly played halfheartedly in Titus v Alisae, to the point where when one of the scumteam's ideas for how to handle the game was to neutralize me with a neighborhood, I got remarkably little within it until it was made clear that I had another neighborhood with a player I trusted more than him. At that point, he became frantic and tried to desperately save himself to no avail. I get a similar impression that he is halfheartedly playing the game, knowing he needs to make his alignment obvious but making no strong strides to make it so.

This is backwards - i do not believe for a single second that you scumread both of us for independent reasons. Regardless of the fact that you are wrong twice, you are creating reasons to scumread us rather than finding them in the game content. Based on your wording priority, i think you have been looking for plausible reasons to make a push on me, and then twist bitmap posts with the purpose of making them sound like scumsided, when realistically there's nothing scummy in, like, the 6 posts bitmap has made in our ISO?

5. I saw an opportunity to sort you once and for all after that selfsame engagement that gave me strong townreads. You started to go down the path that I initially did, scumreading John Cena for the same reasons I started to. However, you missed something absolutely critical that I was steering you towards. I know Krazy very well, and I know Insomnia well enough to understand how a 1v1 between them would go. Krazy is also aware of this and why it's a bad idea. It's simply a much better idea, if he believes that insomnia is legitimately scum, to kill him at night to drastically reduce his influence while saving the lynch today for more productive means. This is the unique utility of the vigilante role in this game. You can remove people from the game without removing their voice, so the vigilante role is much more useful as a tool to manipulate the game rather than getting flips. It suddenly is not inherently a bad idea to shoot somebody you know is town that is disrupting the game, because you don't simply remove their voice entirely as much as remove their direct influence on the game in a favor of indirect influence. You callously ignored that in favor of a scum lynch always being the better option regardless of who it is, which is a naive point of view in general, but it especially is in this game where roles serve different functions than they would normally serve. I was prepared to sort you based on how you progressed past this initial stage, since this alone is insufficient due to your insistence that I go into my read on you throughout the game and the fact that this is ground I had already treaded beforehand. Sadly, the way you went back to this ideal indicates that this correlation can't at all be ruled out, so I can't call this progression town even though on the surface it is valid. It notably is an easy thing to push as well since John Cena's part in that engagement was not popular.

I do not plan to engage you on this further. Cease the attempts.

-Blake

I strongly doubt that town!insomnia would be a night kill in this gamestate and in this playerlist. Despair Night has been the highest wagon for a while, very few people are listening to them - how is this a good night kill, even assuming that she's correct in her reads? I do not know krazy, but i do know his ISO and scumhunt were bad, and on the topic of his 1v1 with insomnia i strongly doubt anyone would react different than 1723. Also, the "unique" utility of the vigilante can be bought at the shop for 100$, i expect half of the playerlist shooting at random tonight, which is also why i have been asking

Imperium

how does his ability work against that, yet he is still not answering me after poking him thrice.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Egospray.

Is he scum or not? That's all I want to hear.

I'm not extending my focus beyond more than...5 slots today.

~som

Probably. I still think DA is a better flip. I can compromise on egospray to gain info, he's not a bad lynch with reasonable chances to hit scum.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Personally i'm convinced that egospray vs The Searchers is TvS based on how the egospray wagon developed

This is regardless of any of my other reads

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Am I the T or the S

-gb

I don't know. I've been leaning scum on you for the first ~30 pages give or take, but the recent repopulation on your wagon is something i don't particularly fancy. People were scumreading themselves just seconds before switching onto you and that's almost never a good sign. That said, if you are scum, it could still make sense. Currently i see you as:

1) a counterwagon to DA, whom i still scumread
2) lhf
3) plausible scum

Why do you think despair night is scum on your wagon?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Uhhh, no? I don’t think Fark did that? Why?

~som

Just wondering if you think

Fark

or this hydra is misguided on the other.

I think Feminist Blocc is town? Probably not going to die on that hill but the scum read on Searchers is easy to follow through. It actually doesn’t feel like the

typical scum that chooses their target for the day and lock on them.

They also have some sentences that I have trouble associating to scum mindset.

I guess it’s fine for now.

~som

I'll stop bombarding you with questions for now, but do you think

Fark

is doing the bolded?

This is what you are doing, if you haven't noticed - this line of questioning is loaded and it requires a very low effort on my ISO to see that you are not even my main scumread, i just think you are plausibly scum and would lynch you if there is interest, but right now i'd rather flip DA.

Egospray was also going to be a good lynch but i don't particularly like the last two votes cast there. Incidentally, @despair, why did you join a wagon with your scumread on egospray instead of DA?

-Farkran

You know, after nearly 2000 posts of providing content, you're still coming at this hydra with the basis of your scumread being that we even pushed you.

You didn't even wait or inquire why we thought this way about your slot. You just jumped on the most offensive and defensive approach you could take.

I gave you everything I had on my mind, and I interact with slots beyond you, and you still find reasons to scumpaint it and serve your narrative.

You won't even allow a conversation that doesn't require your immediate input.

Now, I genuinely think there's a good reason you flip scum. Does that satisfy you?

Back off this head, dude.

-yang

To be honest with you specifically

Yang

, i think your approach to the game is way townier than Blake. I can see your tunnel being genuinely wrong town - you're fixated on what i do instead of why i do it, you accuse me of the exact same things you are guilty of, and this makes me think you do not realize how tunneled you are - you truly think you have found scum and want to push with all your might, which is a town thing to do and it gives me pause to reconsider every time i see the desire to be correct in your messages.

This is a redeeming quality for your slot, but what Blake says is different than what you say. Your (yang) reasons to scumread me are very surface level, and i can see that coming from a player who doesn't know me. I get that all the time. It is not true that i didn't ask you for reasons though, i have asked both of you to scumcase me, and i have specifically asked for your private notes on me for the exact purpose of understanding who and why started this scumread and for which reasons.

-Farkran

pedit: you should try to remove your bias and reread your push on me before we engage again, that i can agree with. You will notice that a lot of the things you accuse me of are wrong, or you are doing the same.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Why do you think despair night is scum on your wagon?

I don't think Despair is that Scummy, but Bug does. I think Despair is null right now. Only because I think he's sort of a driving force for inactive slots right now. But i'm a little queasy on his slot since Cappy made a really good point on the interaction between DA and DN.

This interaction looks so fake lol

It really does. Their whole fight about Vigging looks a lot like scum theatre. Although I'm townleaning DA, so that's tinfoil theory I guess.

-gb

To clarify: do you think that DA vs DN could be SvS, or am i misinterpreting what you said about Cappy's post? I don't particularly see Despair as scum, but if i am wrong on the premise for which i townlean despair, i can see that exchange as distancing. This leads me to ask you though... why didn't you vote DA, if you think he can be scum? Why are you focusing your efforts on Smol Might as an alternative to DN?

To reiterate, we are now 3 days to deadline and no wagon ever reached more than L-5, the highest have historically been 1. Despair Night, 2. Disaster Artists 3. Egospray. I'm confident that at least one of those three must be scum, while the other two are bait/counters.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Fark

, it's easy for you to say we're wrong and should reevaluate our push when you don't give us the same respect

(A)

; I think this way because you judge our slot solely by our perspective to you off what was once one post and have only expanded to more because you misconstrue us

(B)

. You're wrong on the individual assessments, both in accuracy and principle

(C)

. I've already given you my answers to your proposal of

"potentially re-evaluating us"

.

Reread my posts if it hasn't stuck at this point.

Yeah, this is exactly what i mean, yang.

A) You have never reconsidered me, instead going deeper in your tunnel based on my answers <- guilty of the same thing you're accusing me of
B) You misrepped or misinterpreted my posts a lot of times and i have called you out on that every single time <- guilty of the same thing you're accusing me of
C) The exact same thing i have been telling you ever since we started this 1v1. <- guilty of the same thing you're accusing me of

Can you see the pattern? I can definitely see Yang as tunneled town, just as Luna Fox was in my most recent normal, or Nancy in magireco. Blake on the other hand shouldn't be so blind to my arguments. The contrast between you and her, and your (both) reputation as good and popular players is what's making it difficult to me to sort you properly. I want to be careful about bopping you, but you're not making it easy.

Do you want breathing room from me? Engage with other people. Form more reads. Produce more content.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

If you want ME to get off this topic, produce more content outside of this topic.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

This made me laugh, lol

"Yes or no" question for you, hectic: is blake scum?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@imperium sorry for insisting this much but i'd really like that you clarify how your FOLLOW ME ability works because that would be extremely dangerous as a fakeclaim or partial claim. If we are to believe that all n1 actions will be invalidated because of you, and you are also likely dying, you should explain how it works carefully and thoroughly. Please.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

To clarify: do you think that DA vs DN could be SvS, or am i misinterpreting what you said about Cappy's post?

It's definitely possible, but I don't really have anything incriminating on either of them. So I can't scumcase DA purely off that. It's hard to explain, do you think the fight felt genuine?

This leads me to ask you though... why didn't you vote DA, if you think he can be scum? Why are you focusing your efforts on Smol Might as an alternative to DN?

Because I think Smol might is a slot that really needs to be pushed right now. We have 3 days till deadline (as you mentioned) and I think there are slots right now that are just plain unreadable. I mistook an aspect of their scumread, but I still think their push is disingenuous.


-gb

Why smol might and not, say, NL, or foxy, or equitable? I don't mean to say they are the same, but i'd like to hear why they are different to you

-Farkran

pedit: "confining" to 3 slots when we are 3 days from a deadline ... i wouldn't describe it as such. But i do think at least 1 scum is in those 3 slots, so why not.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Ok, let's try this again

NEVER LYNCHABLE

Black Hole Defection (popsofctown and Prism)
Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball)
Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald)

NOT TODAY

Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus)
Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia)
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf)
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy)
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka)
Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud)
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf)
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer)

LYNCHABLE TODAY

Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey)
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher)
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly)
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR)
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty)

This is my list for today. I'd be surprised if there aren't at least 2 scum in my lynchable list.

VOTE: Egospray this is not the lynch i want, but it's the lynch i can take. I still think that Egospray vs The Searchers is TvS and i'm afraid i'm on the wrong side of the vote, but i can work with fixing that another day. DA is still a good lynch but all his reads are pretty much the opposite of mine and i really don't know where they could possibly come from. Consider me still on DA if interest shifts.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Searchers, sorry i didn't pedit my previous post

I don't townread egospray, but your timing for switching on him was bad imo. If i get to think egospray is green, either by read or flip, i think i'd lynch you, but i need that info first. I am also fine lynching DA though, my shipped solve is still valid and the flip is informative enough.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

VOTE: Disaster artists

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

-Fark

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Searchers, sorry i didn't pedit my previous post

I don't townread egospray, but your timing for switching on him was bad imo. If i get to think egospray is green, either by read or flip, i think i'd lynch you, but i need that info first. I am also fine lynching DA though, my shipped solve is still valid and the flip is informative enough.

-Farkran

What was bad about our switch? I mentioned how our DN vote was stale and not doing anything at that point. Ircher and I have disliked egospray for most of the game so ofc we'd join a wagon there.

SC

My issue was (and still is, tbh) with the timing and the wagon composition at the time of your switch, not your progression

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I guess i can contribute until page 80 lasts, this looks like a good thing to do even if we had nothing to gain from it

I will still consider Alyssa, Taly and Krazy to be my friends when this game is over, regardless of our alignments. Games are but a short parenthesis in our lives, and i respect competitiveness when i see it

Hectic is a nice player to have around, he's never mad or toxic around people and has a playstyle that makes the thread feel better

Popsofctown will always be my not-so-secret, unrequited love on ms. I like her playstyle and writing abilities and the attention she puts into details. She is severe, but also impartial to everyone, and that's not easy to be consistent on throughout life difficulties

Prism is a fearsome player that earned my respect in a way that very few other people had in the past. He was THE thorn in my side in undertale, here it's way easier to consider him a friend and a respectable voice to listen to

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Yeah, been talking to my other head in discord DMs.

I think I'm okay with DA or egospray as the lynches for today.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Beep & Boop #1997

I feel bad for your wall now lol, my readlist has been updated in 1955, but it still holds mostly true to the one you quoted. My highest townread is probably Black Hole now, but Cappy and Latys are still high there, mostly because of Hectic and Gamma, whom i think i can read with reasonable accuracy. Egospray was down there because of his lackluster ISO and is still probably a good lynch for today, but i disliked how the wagon formed around ~1726 so i'd rather to Disaster Artists now.

@egospray 2000
They are not unlynchable, they are in the not today list. I have recently played with FL, his scum meta has been consistent in both his scumgames and it's the farthest possible from this game - i'd say i consider him a lurker here along the lines of NL and smol might, but while on NL i have no meta experience and therefore i will likely be unable to sort the slot anytime soon, with the others i think i can work on later days.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

- i'd say i consider him a lurker here along the lines of NL

I don't think the two are comparable. NL has almost nothing to go off of.

-gb

What do you think is relevant in Flavortown ISO? My read is pretty much strictly meta-based, but it's a townlean and i know it has the potential to improve. I have nothing on NL and the slot is not improving. That's the main difference between the two for me.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Disaster Artists is town.
Black Hole Deflection is town.
Imperium is town.
Equitable Androids is town.
Spiffybringer is town.
Unapologetically Foxy is town.
Cappy is town.

Egospray could be town.
The Searchers could be town.
Feminist Blocc could be town.
Latias and Latios could be town.

NL is unknown.
Flavortown is unknown.
Smol Might is unknown.
Despair Night is unknown.

Mikoto and Kuroko is scum.

-Blake

Still no sign of improvements here. What changed around egospray for you since the post where you said you could compromise on him?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

DEAR MODS

I'd like to attract your attention and ask for a VC

I love you too alisae <3

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

-Farkran, sigh

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Oh, i forgot. 1995 was mine (Farkran).

I forgot to sign and didn't want to waste another of page 80's posts with just a signature. I tried to be nice but then i forgot to claim the post as my own once we turned to page 81. Bitmap is busy these days, so he's pretty much in charge of reading the ISOs that i tell him are interesting. It's unfortunate that he didn't want to commit being the obvtown head.

I'll tackle the rest of DA post in the next one

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Spoiler: DA 2067

Mikoto and Kuroko

This is a kinda technical slot since DRK early on liked Farkran's confidence (I did not) and this was actually one of our first points of dissonance in the PT. I don't like talking about hydra dissonance in thread because DRK's reads and my own are constantly evolving, she's been happy to let me handle the main thread, and insofar as I felt compelled at times to push this slot I don't think either of us sees a point in talking about the other head having doubts.

As the game went on we have each been bugged by certain things.
DRK noticed posts like this:

Pedit: if chemist is scum in the only game where i townread his slot i'm going to chew my desktop

insofar as this seems in DRK's words "overprocessed for a non-logical statement"

(A)

Assuming the post restriction is real, i think hectic is efforting to convey a lot of content to the thread, i wouldn't expect to see that if he was scum. He also looks very similar to how he played the cult game hosted by kerset. These are strong town points from his slot, it's the read i'm most confident on atm. I could see a null read on hectic from you, but a scumread seems really out of place compared to our undertale experience, unless you think he is lying about his post restriction. We could explore that world in d2, given that he specifically said "for this day phase".

-Farkran

And it seems here like Fark

wants

to townread Hectic more than necessarily makes sense at this point

(B)

Conversely, DRK gave 818 townpoints but she feels uncomfortable with reads lists like 819

She thought 891 was weird for a scum POV but I think it's just... weird. Who would not like these event prizes? They're like super strong

(C)

DRK also liked 1002

So there's I think room to debate on this hydra. That being said there's a lot to dislike.

Guess I need to obv-town to oblivion this game.

I'm the obv-town head.

I actually began to really have problems with this slot more due to Bitmap, who is doing very little overall and was posting stuff like this without really doing anything townie either at the time or since

I will still consider Alyssa, Taly and Krazy to be my friends when this game is over, regardless of our alignments. Games are but a short parenthesis in our lives, and i respect competitiveness when i see it

This isn't really AI but thanks bitmap, I guess I didn't realize you liked me given I thought you smack talked my play a few times in TvA but maybe I'm misremembering. You were scum there so maybe it was meaningless.

Yeah, been talking to my other head in discord DMs.

I think I'm okay with DA or egospray as the lynches for today.

-Mikoto

Anyway Mikoto pushing me as scum with 0 explanation is at least basically the same as TvA so it's not like I'd townread that head for the push

(D)

Also not to scumread off the "let's be nice" post but if Bitmap does consider me a friend, why is he making 0 attempt to be right on my alignment this game? Mikoto townreads Blake, Blake is certain I'm town, but Mikoto (Bitmap) is okay with me as the lynch because of Farkran's read? I mean it's really jarring that those are like the only three reads from that head.

Particularly when Mikoto's progression on me is from:

page 7-8 I like Disaster Artists for pushing sorta

So Mikoto goes from having me as town, to emphasizing me as a friend, to saying I'm a top 2 lynch with 0 attempts from his head to sort me? Okay... like it could be town but that's really fucking weird and it's certainly not townie

(E)

I know that "oh but DRK isn't even in the main thread" and it can make sense for one head of a hydra to be dominant, but I mean given that DRK had stopped playing mafia and I basically forcibly dragged her back for this game I don't think it surprised anyone that knew her that she wasn't really going to be very present in thread.

As for Farkran's head, I kinda was not in love with cognitive-load indicative posts like 237; and it coming in response to demanding I expand on a nullread was like... also bad.

Like not everyone's gonna agree with your reads. When someone says "I don't see it" but disagrees with your scumread but that they kinda have the slot as null, demanding they explain their null/town read is like... so pointless as to be scummy.

(F)

I could talk about disaster artists though. He's one of the slots that has been shading me since the very early game but has also been dodging questions - doesn't seem to be particularly interested into engaging with me to sort my slot.

Given they'd had me as town for most of the game, this just feels more like scum that has recognized they're not pocketing me than town that is reevaluating to be honest. I know most people don't see their own questions as dumb or pointless, but accusing me of "dodging" questions for not expanding at length on ego being null/town is frankly scummy.

Remember, he thinks that I was dodging a question because I didn't respond to this:

They're in the lower townpool but only have their feet in the water and haven't dived in yet

-JC

Why are they in the lower townpool? Is it a gutread, or did any particular instance of what they have done so far granted them townpoints that i didn't notice?

-Farkran

because "null" does not mean "scum" before page 10.

(G)

VOTE: Disaster Artists

VOTE: Disaster Artist

In the meanwhile, there is a good wagon forming on a scumread of mine, so

VOTE: Disaster Artist

-Farkran

Then we have "a good wagon forming"

Okay, why was FLAVORTOWN part of a "good wagon"?

(H)

And why am I now a "scumread"? You have me as town, you reread and because I didn't dignify 187 with an answer I'm now "scum"?

A point repeated here:

this is a good time to consolidate the wagon again Disaster Artists. The wagon is good and Despair Artists is likely scum.

So at this point, I have a hard time buying any part of Farkran's push here. This feels more like lowkey pocketing people pushing a mislynch an a very wolfy attempt to control the gamestate.

Remember, that in this game scum needs to play pretty wolfy because there's like 2-3 confirmed town vig power already. Scum cannot win doing nothing this game, which is why it is reasonable for Blake to be concerned with this slot and why Farkran going from "leantown" on my slot to grossly hyperconfident in the wagon on me is quite scummy.

(I)

Besides, blake, i have been trying to engage with you AND yang long before now, yet you decide to answer me only to defend DA on a read that, as town, you cannot be sure about? No thanks

This is awful posting

(J)

NOT TODAY
Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus)
Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia)
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf)
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy)
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka)
Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud)
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf)
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer)

LYNCHABLE TODAY
Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey)
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher)
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly)
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR)
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty)

This is just a really wolfy readslist. Blake is really clearly town, NL is a likely mislynch, I'm town, and I'm frankly skeptical that Ego/Searchers is 2 scum.

So at this point, while there's still the risk that Farkran is town and just has really bad reads, I have to feel like Farkran is playing to scum wincon.

Additionally the soft-distancing "Not Today" is on a bunch of slots that I think are a mix of obvious town or slots that are much more interesting to think about so this whole list just looks awful to me.

So, I'm faced with two scenarios:
-Farkran is having an awful game, is up my ass as town because I didn't respond to a dumb question 70 pages ago and because insomnia started trolling me and I said I was going to shoot him
OR
-Farkran is a wolf and is just wolfing

(K)

But then I see shit like this:

VOTE: Disaster artists

And this is just an awful vote for so many reasons

First of all, it's page 80 so it's clear Fark is not like... paying attention to the actual gamestate or what's going on

Second the only reason they're revoting here is because

Ircher approved this so

VOTE: disaster artists

SC

of this vote.

So while there's a world where yes, Farkran is trying to consolidate for votelogic, uhhh, he does this in the middle of a readslist where I haven't indicated I think he's town. So why the fuck does he as *town* double down on the push now rather than *after* he sees what I have to say about him? This is just... really not townie at all.

(L)

This is also following from this:

DA is still a good lynch but all his reads are pretty much the opposite of mine and i really don't know where they could possibly come from. Consider me still on DA if interest shifts.

Which is just more awful posting. Like, I drop some readslists that are very, very different than his, and he doesn't engage me at all, instead he's like, oh shit time to vote because one of his top 5 scum voted me?

Like the problem is 1955 *would* be townie if Farkran actually reevaluated. Instead he just sets himself up to wagon hop anything that isn't himself.

So yeah, basically either Farkran is playing to scum wincon, or is actually scum as far as I can tell right now. Either way he's a great day 1 lynch.

(M)

Anyway I still need to collect my thoughts on Titus slot, but this got long enough I'm gonna go ahead and post it now and maybe collect my thoughts some more.

-JC

Point by point:

A) You're looking for AI content where there isn't any, this is backward logic
B) Backward logic. i do not want to townread Hectic: i townread hectic, period. At the time, cappy was being pushed, i offered my opinion about the slot and tried to reason with Black Hole (whose both heads played with me and Hectic in undertale so there was clearly ground to reason with them)
C) Take a guess
D) This is reasonable at the time of your vote on us, but instead of analying the other head (me), you built reasons to characterize me as scum because of that first impression that bitmap made on you. This is a towny process to form a scumread, but it's wrong and almost always inaccurate.
E) Why is reconsidering scummy? Backward logic
F) Asking for you to elaborate on a read is not scummy, but this was genuine from you
G) I guess i could have merged this with F but i didn't and now i don't want to reorganize all the letters
H) I gave my read of flavortown just a few posts ago, and my scumread of you doesn't start in #187. It was a reconsideration based on a reread of your ISO, that i initially recalled as more filled with content whereas it actually was not. Your content/posts ratio has improved over time, but the content quality has not
I) Disagree. The amount of vigs in this game does not make it harder for scum to win.
J) Backward logic, if you weren't a target of my accusations you would have never said this sentence
K) So goes the old saying, "you can't be that bad as town" - then flips town. This happened so many times. Towny reasoning though, scum almost never gets to that point... except that, if you read my push at the time of your 1v1 with insomnia, i have said

EXACTLY the same words you have said right here

. Seriously, read 1723 again. Why didn't you say the same to insomnia?
L) 3 days to deadline, i'm trying to compromise on a wagon i like. This is not scummy, and backward logic from your part
M) A reiteration of point K

The net balance of your post is that you are displaying an immense amount of bias in your read of me, which is probably due to 1. your first impression of bitmap; 2. you putting an unhealthy and immotivated amount of faith in Blake's ONLY read; 3. i started scumreading you. You want to be right about me because from your pov you know i'm wrong by pushing you, you look for elements that could prove you right, except none of them are. And you fail to realize that i am thinking the exact same thing about you and blake.

This would be a good reason to townread you again, for the record, but why didn't you say the same to Despair Night?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

About smol might, please read This game

With particulare care to Eragon ISO

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

UNVOTE: i need to think

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

This would be a good reason to townread you again, for the record, but why didn't you say the same to Despair Night?

Well I just basically carried insomnia in one game, swept scum in another game (despite me misreading him), and then we basically double teamed as scum from two opposing factions as the third, so him proposing a vig shot on me without like a really hard scum read just felt like it was completely coming out of left field when we've basically been dominating for our last three games together

Conversely, my last game with you was the waifu game where I seem to remember you getting lynched for being wrong on everything so I had very different expectations from each of your slots

-JC

Uh... iirc you were the d1 lynch in the waifu game? The hydra with kirari or something? Why do you say i have been lynched? I have been one of the strongest townreads over the whole course of the game

If you're talking about bitmap, he was scum and he died because of Eragon's aoe vig shot n1. I was in a hood with Eragon in that game.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Waifu upick

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Uh... iirc you were the d1 lynch in the waifu game? The hydra with kirari or something? Why do you say i have been lynched? I have been one of the strongest townreads over the whole course of the game

I basically stopped reading after I died so my recollections are very likely wrong

In any case that's what I thought happened in the game I barely skimmed; oh wait didn't we have another game together recently? Like cult d3 or something?

I think I wanted to lynch you most of that game too so I just kinda assume I'm going to want to lynch you off playstyle and so try to buffer around that a little (and favor my read of bitmap since your baseline always feels scummy to me)

-JC

I think waifu upick was the only game we played together. You never voted me, i have been correct 2/3 (you and shadowless, i was wrong about bitmap but we ended up killing him nonetheless), and i don't know how you could have a baseline impression of my play when we only have met as scum!you vs town!me?

Aside from that, i'm more interested as of why blake is SO obvtown to you. Can you elaborate a little more on that? Like, do me this favor. Imagine that her only scumread is wrong, and tell me if she is still obvtown and why. It does not matter if you believe she's right, just assume she's wrong. I'm asking this to have you make an attempt to remove agreement bias from your read of me and blake.

-Farkran

pedit: uhm.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Still been second-guessing myself since Gobble's last wall but I still think I want to see vote logic

VOTE: Equitable Androids

Who wants to join? Who would argue there's a better day 1 off existing posting?

-JC

Proving my point of DA being willing to lynch anyone to save themselves

SC

...technically they had more than one opportunity to move their vote on a more populated wagon on Despair Night, Egospray and Smol Might. They just started a wagon on equitable, why are they scum assuming that's the only reason you would scumread them for?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I have recently played a game with scum!gobble, failed hard at reading him so i'm not placing any confidence in that. My experience with titus is limited but i think it's town!titus.

Meta aside, i don't think equitable is scum based on this game's play. I'm going to sleep over this and get back tomorrow with a fresh mind

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Sigh

I still think the latiguys are town, there's no reason for them to vote me when i was hardtownreading them the whole time. Unless they are exactly scum with all the other top wagons, and i don't believe this is the case, scum!latiguys have no reason to remove me.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Thinking about what DA said, i also don't think he is scum anymore. Probably blake isn't either.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Thanks anyways prism. I am very disappointed that the slots scumreading me, barring krazy, are people that know me well. I guess bopping them on their knowledge of me built some bias on my side.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

.
P-Edit: Uhhhhhh re: Farkran, that's pretty concerning my dude, but I'll deal with reading you again in the morning.

What do you mean?
-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

No offense taken, of course i make mistakes. The only slot i can be almost certain about being town is the latiguys.
DA wall about me and his explanation around blake does not usually come from scum though. That's pretty much clearly tunneled town.
Blake can pull this as scum and has a motive to do so, but i'm not going anywhere if everyone and their dog is townreading her slot, and i'm not particularly convinced she is scum - just that she has the potential and a motive to remove me if she is. And i don't scumread taly, but i don't know the tucan well enough besides some smallchat on discord.

Now however i have a problem on who else is scum.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

What is my motive for attacking you?

-Blake

I guess this was directed at me then?

I clearly cannot read your ankamius/alyssa personality, but i made a good job reading blake when you tested me for it. 2 correct results with a 50% EV don't make a valid statistic sample, but it's there.

You, on the other hand, have always made a good job reading me in the games we played together. It's weird for me to believe that your only scumread, on a player you know reasonably well, is so wrong and based on a terrible push such as "my expectations for you weren't met, so you must be scum and i'm ready to end the day on it". You also respect me as a player, based on your comments about my playstyle in the past (my current Farkran signature is a quote of yours). This is a very valid reason to fear me in this game, but the playerlist is also pretty loaded and i wouldn't be so presumptuous as to think i would be the ONLY player you fear. You could think that i am one of the easiest to mislynch, though - my playstyle irks people and i wouldn't be surprised if you are trying to exploit that. I would be much more surprised to find that you are truly disappointed in my play here and decided to scumread me for it rather than explore elsewhere, and we're going to talk again if you flip town.

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The aforementioned games are what i have been tested for while chatting in discord with Alyssa. Post #760 in the second game shows that scum!blake can townhunt and tunnel on a specific town player. This is for you @DA.

That being said, this game is vastly different than either of those and i have no reason to expect Blake has read ALL my meta as opposed to the only two games we played together (Large Theme TM and anarchist thing, both in my wiki for reference). The large TM is indicative of my town meta, but i only lasted 3 irl days. The anarchist thing, i wasn't even town.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I'm trying to have blake dish out content. I asked her at least 3 times to produce content about other people. I have been talking to other people to help me sort Blake, because honestly i have no clear read on them. I only have her bopped on her knowledge of me, and my disappointment in seeing that she is unwilling to expand her scumpool in a way that only makes sense if she is scum, but i'd say this kind of reasoning is correct less than 50% of the times. Anyways, pops, being in the spotlight is part of my playstyle and analyzing pushes against me is a major tool for sorting people.

That being said, i have been reading spiffy and he brought up a point that is probably interesting about the Feminist Bloc slot. To be fair, i am also starting to think that the most vocal players, or at least the majority of them, are town.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

So, i have been reading Spiffy ISO because i wanted to reassess that slot - i think they COULD be scum based on wagonomics but what struck me was post 1371. Nothing in particular to be suspicious about, but i decided to take a look at minigames attendance to see if it could provide any useful hint.

Spoiler: minigames player lists

here is the playerlist for the first event!
Tammy
Chemist1422
Shadowlesscloud

Datisi

Gamma Emerald
Gobbledygook
Prism
Insomnia

Check your PMs shortly!

Here's our playerlist!
popsofctown
Hectic
Tammy
Pine
Prism
Spiffeh
Chemist1422
Flavor Leaf

Okay that's filled (sorry Hectic)
Insomnia
Ausuka

Datisi

Xofelf
John Cena
Chemist1422
Pink Ball
Titus

PMs soonish

John Cena
popsofctown
Pink Ball
DRK
Gamma Emerald
Prism

Datisi

John Cena
popsofctown
Pink Ball
DRK
Gamma Emerald
Prism

Datisi

Hectic

I will set the event up!
Check ur pms!

Okay that's full

Datisi

Gamma Emerald
Pine
ShadowlessCloud
Taly
Insomnia
GeorgeBailey
Hectic

Check your PMs soon

John Cena
Prism
DeathRowKitty
Hectic
Pops
Gamma Emerald

check ur pms, we'll be live momentarly

Okay that's filled

SirCakez

Datisi

GeorgeBailey
ShadowlessCloud
Insomnia
Alyssa The Lamb

datisi
popsofctown
john cena
prism
Ircher
Taly
sircakez
Hectic

check pms we'll be starting soon!

Datisi (Feminist Bloc) has been participating in all events except two, which is fairly indicative of him paying attention to this game in spite of a 27 posts ISO where they mostly focus on The Searchers as their only scumread, with little else. Posts 1935 to 1938 make sense in a game of this caliber, but i'd say egospray is at least trying to effort it - not sure if this is AI for them - while Feminist Bloc and Flavortown are clearly not. Flavortown is consistently forgetting that this game exists because of that, but Datisi has even come up first in some of the minigames plists and it's the only slot that remained consistent in their interest for minigames while showing disinterest for the game itself. If i had to place my next guess at who is scum right now, it'd be them. They also can spare time to pay attention if they wanted to, since their ISO count here is more than double their posts in the main thread.

VOTE: Feminist Bloc

Yeah, this is a flashwagon. No, i don't like smol might as the d1 lynch based on my experience with them. I reconsidered DA. I'm still undecided about egospray and The Searchers but egospray improved significantly over the recent posts, whereas The Searchers made the opposite imo. They would still be interesting lynches but not my current best bet against scum. I think Blake still makes sense only as scum, but i want to believe in my other townreads that say she's town.

Do whatever you want with this.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Yo Fark, you missed the part where I said that I specifically signed up for minigames because I was told this wouldn't be an Actual Mafia Game?

-D

No, in fact i explicitly quoted the post. You do not seem disingaged enough as to skip the game because you produced one read - why only that read?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

The times of the events are known in advance. That is a weak source of information at best.

-Blake

And yet, i make a post against them and they respond immediately.

This reply isn't actually directed at blake, but it proves my point that Feminist Bloc *are* paying attention to the game, except they made nothing to help town, but not nothing enough as to do exactly zero if they were completely disengaged.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Ms Despair, have you caught on something? Your attitude seems a bit different and it might make sense if you have.

Do you still feel confident on your read of egospray? You asked him a question and he answered, what's your conclusion?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@DN

I don't think Pine is ever going to catch up on this game. Over time i learned that it is NAI for him, and aside from the ~rand chance to hit scum on his slot, i don't think they're a good lynch.

@Searchers

Do you know Datisi for being disinterested in games as town, and sincerely waving when prodded to produce more content? Actually this question is @everyone, i don't know Datisi nor Ausuka (and their signature isn't particularly flashy so it didn't stick in my memory, i'm treating their slot as a single entity)

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Scum!FL engages with the game noise and helps producing more. He can whiteknight partners as well as bus them with ease. He recently suffered (at least) 2 losses as scum, so he could be up for a significant change of meta. It's still a townlean to me, but the change might actually be too drastic to be readable as i previously hought it was.

TL;DR i wouldn't lynch there rn

These are my 2 cents about FL.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

You should notice that, aside from Ms Despair whom i have sorted later, i spent next to zero time sorting the people in that townbloc and i have quite high confidence in being accurate on all those names. Asking around about you is because my level of confidence on you was lower, and it is now possibly even lower - not based on this catchup that you are doing right now, i'm still a bit concerned about how the egospray wagon regained popularity several pages ago. 1 scum around that wagon is still plausible, including egospray. Honestly i'm surprised to see i'm the only one who thinks that.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Farkran I haven't really read recent stuff to closely so I may have missed it, but what are your thoughts on egospray and Smol Might at this time?

~Spiffy

WRT eragon

i have recently played a game against scum!him where he was caught for a bad catchup. He hadn't produced much in that game, and he complained a lot when he was lynched. He sounded quite genuine in that complain, even if he had been bussed - this impression was reinforced by even more complains in the scum PT that i read when it was opened - implying that he would probably have liked to play more with his role. This makes me think that he does not hate being scum and he wouldn't be demotivated by rolling scum here - he would also be very aware that doing shitty catchups and/or producing poor content would get himself caught, so i don't think we're looking at scum!eragon here.

Of course there is a layer of wifom surrounding this analysis, but i don't see eragon as the type to play around wifom. He made mistakes in the last game, but he would fix them by playing more, not by disengaging. I think he's the type to be overwhelmed by the game pace though - last time we were neighbors and he could contribute mainly through me. In the main thread he wasn't very active, as town. I won't be on this wagon.

WRT egospray

I had him as scum initially, and i don't townread him now. There have been weird movement around his slot, but when he entered the spotlight he started producing more. There is a chance that the scumteam prodded him to produce more content - i would do that if i were coaching him, so it's still a valid lynch to me, but as i said i also didn't like how the second egospray wagon formed - this makes him a nice info lynch, but i'm not sure how he would flip. Hectic townreading there makes me more hesitant, but i can still compromise on egospray.

I'm surprised to see exactly zero interest in my analysis of Feminist Bloc though - a lot of people haven't spoken up yet, but the only people who answered are active slots who townread them and it's weird. No doubts, no questions asked - just whiteknighting which mostly came from blake/yang.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Fark, stop trying to last-minute shitpush our slot through, it's not happening.

-D

That's... not the point, though. I know it is a vanity wagon, but i offered a subject to discuss. Nobody picked that up. Not even you. You didn't try to sort me, or people who defended/attacked you (more like, lack thereof). I mean, ok, you say you are not interested in the mafia part of this game. Then why are you doing this:

Yes, I'm skimming the game for my own name because that's the only thing i can be fucked to respond about or even know enough to respond about. Ya got me fuck

-D

What's the point?

I already admitted that i didn't distinguish your heads, because i don't know you and your signature doesn't stick - but Ausuka engaged from time to time, and he too has only one scumread (the Searchers). Ms Despair probably laid this out better than i could, but the point is that you (as a hydra) want to appear disengaged while you actually aren't. You say there is content coming from your slot, but it's... not. Your posts are reactionary and mostly empty - you joke with the playerlist but you're not progressing.

I don't like that Ms Despair is the only slot who picked up on this - even if Feminist Bloc isn't a hot topic, Mikoto and Kuroko definitely is. And nobody commented on my push to sort you or me - except Blake who wked you, and now DN.

Ausuka's followup was

thx for the white knight Yang I am now in your pocket

I'm pretty okay with a SM lynch i guess it's like the 'easy lynch' and a pretty null slot which isn't great but I think a lot of people seem town in this game so i'm much more willing to vote for a slot that's kinda disappeared I think. I don't feel any need to vote them right now because plurality and we still have a while but if there are counterwagons between SM vs someone else I will vote for the SM wagon unless smth changes.

re:Flavor; i mean I get the whole thing about scum!flavour not usually being so quiet but like... I don't think town!flavour really is usually either so this is just a change either way? Granted I haven't played in a while so this could have changed but I remember playing multiple games with scum!fl and there wasn't really anything obvious connecting his playstyle between games.

-Aus

Which is pretty much a prodge on the blake slot (you're only joking on her alignment) and compromise to lynch the highest wagon which you don't have a read on.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Tammy is the only older player that I’m like “Damn, that Tam gonna catch me like Wham!!”

~Ferrari

You know, theory time

There's the argument that:
-Boon does not PT slip to main thread
-Boon is doing nothing this game which is confusing

Solve:
Boon PT slipped into the main thread for the first time ever
He's tilted and demoralized

We should simply lynch him day 1 for the freebie scum flip

VOTE: FlavorTown

-JC

Sounds like the opposite he would do though, why not flooding his own iso?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Farkran - I know you've asked us a question about the role, and my answer is it's a lightning rod and every role used tonight will be redirected to us. I'm not sure what else you want to know than that. Anything else will have to wait for nacho as he's the one with the mechanics brain, and I'm like I don't know how to explain it without just copying my role pm.

The question is:

What does it mean redirected to "US"? Who between you? Most abilities target heads, not entire hydras. Is the target randomized between you two? Or oes it affect both? Or only a specific one of your heads?

Also how does it work with hydra-targeting abilities such as the factional nightkill? If a protection is cast on player X, will it be redirected to your hydra (both heads) or just one head, and therefore it's only the other head that dies from the nightkill?

The main reason why answering this will be helpful is the amount of vig shots available now - you are effectively softblocking town controlled kills without blocking the scum one with your claim. Maybe you can't do anything about that because it's compulsively forced upon you, but i'd like to clear the ambiguity if you are able to.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

hat does this mean for you? We know that factional nightkills are an exception to targeting rule, but it is not clear whether those kills are attracted or not because i've noticed that on MS factional kills are usually not treated as a night ability. Other abilities however, can usually target one hydra head, not the whole hydra.

we redirect all abilities unto ourselves
if it's an ability that targets a head, the head that will be targeted is nacho
if it's an ability that targets a hydra, the hydra that will be targeted is Imperium

-Blake

I have COMPLETELY missed this. Sorry and nevermind.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I'm a little surprised I didn't more quickly get too lazy to keep going, but I'm definitely too lazy to keep going.
The percentage of CO's dialogues that are questions is very high. Among those, there are plenty of questions designed to steer another CO towards her point of view. If I remember right, CO Ausuka was scum that game. I'm too lazy to check.
After this review, I think too much of this overlaps with CO Ausuka's quirks for this to be an exciting and valid blitzkrieg, CO insomnia.

Weird that pops didn't get publicly punished for this theme slip, but i guess there's a chance she has been given a penalty via PM, presumably money-based?

Now about the alignment report slip... Ms Despair latched onto it but refused to move away after pops clarified. DN, why did you place your trust on pops (mistakenly reported) read to reinforce your already existing opinion of Feminist Bloc, while when pops corrected herself you aren't willing to trust her?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Also i realized now what other game Krazy played with me. It was the CultD3 hosted by kerset, where he went by the name Obvious Scum - i had forgot that you have that alt too. Makes a lot of sense and i'm now more willing to believe Krazy town now, although i have already been reconsidering him after his wall on me several pages ago.

I want to wrap up the day for my slot, in light of the recent events

NEVER LYNCHABLE

Black Hole Defection (popsofctown and Prism) - probably highest townread so far based on both slots,
Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball) - strong townread based on hectic
Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald) - strong townread based on gamma
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty) - strong re-evaluation of the slot recently, this guy is more than likely town after his wall and meta-recollection of his town games with me compared to the TM scum game.
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy) - town by claim and behavior

NOT TODAY

Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia) - town by behavior in this game, although weird at times.
Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus) - my confidence on these two slots is low and mostly based on my memories of titus.
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf) - very far from FL scum meta. Also very far from FL town meta but i really think FL is not the type to turn down a scumgame.
Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud) - if this was only shadowless i could buy a scumread on this slot. Not with eragon in it. I'd be surprised if i was wrong.

LYNCHABLE TODAY

Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey) - still one of the best info lynches, but has improved since my past readlist and i want to trust cappy on this. I'd want to have a flip mostly to see what happens afterwards.
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer) - flaily in a weird way, i'd like to hear more about this from the slots i trust and who have knowledge about their heads
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher) - i dislike their movements around egospray
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR) - no town presence here, no expectation for improvements
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf) - no town presence here, no expectation for improvements

ENDORSED LYNCHES

Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka) - i think my case holds water and movements around this slot are poor, i don't think there are so low expectations as to ignore this slot as scum like most people did when i pushed them. No comments except from blake, and DN after a while is an awkward reaction if they're town. I would expect either more interest in flashwagoning there, or more interest in pushing me for accusing them, but the general feeling is that the gamestate doesn't want to put the spotlight on Feminist Bloc.
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly) - there have been recent improvements in terms of plausible accuracy, but i can't get past that they spent the whole day being wrong on me and after moving on and analyzing their surroundings, their main conclusion is that the currently highest wagon is scum. This slot could be town but they shouldn't reach lylo under any circumstance.

I don't think i'll move my vote anymore for today. Smol Might lynch can happen without me if you want it, especially with plurality rules, but more likely i want to see who is committed to that read if the flip happens.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I can't remove myself from the picture when analyzing blake, because my POV is unique in the sense that i know that her main push throughout the day 1 is wrong. Being wrong doesn't make her scum, but the quickness and the poor quality of the push do. I have taken a step back on her recently, to see how she would work without my "interference" as some slots have accused me of, but the conclusion is superficial and convenient - "the main wagon on a lurker slot will land likely on scum" doesn't look like a proactive read to me. Scum!Blake definitely qualifies as a powerwolf, i don't see how she is obvtown to anyone by behavior.

I will not join the wagon on smol might because i don't think it will land on scum. I do not need to compromise on the currently highest wagon because plurality lynches are in effect and a result can be obtained without my help, so i'd rather push where i am more confident i will hit scum. I would rather have compromised on somebody earlier when there were 3-4 wagons with roughly the same amount of votes and we had time to evaluate how those wagons happened.

Also i have towncased Eragon somewhere in my iso and provided games to analyze about towngames and scumgames from him. To summarize, i really don't think that scum!eragon would turn down this game after having just recently been lynched because of a poor catchup and subsequent complaining about being lynched d1.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Is it? Flavor tends to claim that if he was scum, very few if anyone would suspect him. I don't think lurking coincides with that.

Counterargument

Large Normal 224

He posted like 10 times d1 then I guiltied him n1

-Latias

This is an interesting point though

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Chemist is this the game in question? viewtopic.php?t=81317&f=55&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Searchers eh, i offered my own read on blake. I am not 100% sure of it, but i'm not sheeping anyone on a player whom i have a decent knowledge of, i'd rather be wrong by my own means and not pass a discount on her in case i flip. I don't see myself hardpushing blake though, so it's kinda weird that you would defend her so hard now that it's been a while since i stopped talking about her. I think there is a reasonable chance that she is not town in this game, that's all and it will be a topic for later when we can re-evaluate our read accuracy.

@Chemist yeah i mean... aside from the post quantity, i think the tone is also vastly different. In the Large Normal it's much more akin to how scum!FL usually plays. You know what i mean, random epiphanies about who is scum, random reads all over the place, mixed with massive ego inflation? You have seen it in the mini normal we have just played together.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

It makes little logical sense for Farkran to stick to these failed pushes when egospray is within his lynchable list and has a realistic chance of being pushed through.

Its also nonsensical in the sense that he isn't attempting to stop the Smol Might wagon either, he's passively allowing it to happen.

-Blake

We can engage again if you want to. My confidence in my reads is quite poor at this point in time, so i'd rather get more info before i assault anyone. My best guess at scum is currently Feminist Bloc. You are my second best guess. Smol might is nowhere near there, but he can be useful to VCA and my presence on his wagon is not required to fulfill that purpose. I would rather have him claim though, or have the replacement claim and actually produce content.

Egospray produced a claim to a slot i currently trust and has been pushed in awkward ways, i have no interest in pushing there further at this point in time.

-Farkran

pedit @Searchers: i'm pushing Feminist Bloc. Also none of the people in my lynchable today list are viable right now, so i don't see what you are asking of me.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Is it bad that I almost want to lynch egospray over Smol Might?

~Spiffy

No, I think that's a good option for D1.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I actually think that Smol Might might end up being town due to disinterest.

Also fuck Imperium's ability. Like actually fuck that ability.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Re: Smol Might

I see Smol Might as town that has a hard time trying to keep up with the game. I feel like if Smol was scum, they would have a better grasp at what is going on.

Personally, following this game has been really tough and I had to talk back and forth with Kuroko to better understand the state of the game. I still think the Blake and Yang duo is likely to lean town. Ank tends to dive head first as town which follows this pattern a lot.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey) - still one of the best info lynches, but has improved since my past readlist and i want to trust cappy on this. I'd want to have a flip mostly to see what happens afterwards.

If I flip Scum/Town how would that change your reads?

I still don't understand why you keep saying there's all this info that can come from my lynch when the Smol Might wagon is the largest and fastest we've had today.

-gb

Yes, your flip could change my reads quite a bit. That's also true for smol might though, only less so.

The second instance of your wagon that happened around page 1700 is going to be a pivotal point for sorting this game imo. If you flip town i think Searchers has significantly more scum equity for how he switched on you at the time. If you flip scum, i'm bopping Cappy hard and i'm going to look at people who refused to join on the first instance of your wagon.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

only less so.

Explain. Looking back, the people that voted me were: Spiffy, Despair, The Searchers. Two are on the Smol Might wagon right now, and one is pushing a smaller wagon.

I still don't see how my wagon is different from Smol Might's.

-gb

Your wagon restarted when you had 0 votes, by 3 people who were mutually scumreading each other up to that point, who also refused to join the first instance of your wagon.

A lot of people that recently joined on smol might have basically given up with day 1 and only want to end the day because they're clueless - that's my interpretation of the current sentiment that pushes smol might, there isn't any particular confident scumread on the slot. It's a lurker slot, his flip will be useful to evaluate those who started the wagon if he's scum, won't be particularly effective if it flips town because everyone can easily say "eh, top wagon, close to deadline, we needed a flip and we picked wrong".

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Post 2599 was good tbh

@Feminist where did you decide to read undertale? I know it has been mentioned in this game but i'd like to hear what post made you decide to go check undertale specifically

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

hat does this mean for you? We know that factional nightkills are an exception to targeting rule, but it is not clear whether those kills are attracted or not because i've noticed that on MS factional kills are usually not treated as a night ability. Other abilities however, can usually target one hydra head, not the whole hydra.

we redirect all abilities unto ourselves
if it's an ability that targets a head, the head that will be targeted is nacho
if it's an ability that targets a hydra, the hydra that will be targeted is Imperium

Hi. I need an answer on this. Does ability include kills?

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

SpiffyBringer has died! They were Zoro and Sanji, and they were aligned with the

Town

Spiffybringer
Roronoa Zoro		Sanji
Reader ID Faction Role	Spiffeh Roronoa Zoro Town Pirate Bodyguard-of-all-Traits	Reader ID Faction Role [/align]	Firebringer Sanji Town Pirate Inventing Womanizer
Actives [/align]	Passives	Actives	Passives
3 SWORDS! During the night: Target 1 head of a hydra; Any killing action that is performed on them is redirected to you.	Bodyguard Upgrades You may purchase bodyguard upgrades from the shop for 200$ ! You will recieve one of the 3 1-shot upgrades from the shop randomly. You will not recieve duplicates, and you can use as many of them as you have in 1 night phase. Wado Ichimonji - Block 1 killing action performed on you. Sandai Kitetsu - If you protect your target successfully, you will kill the attacker. Shusui - You may protect both heads of a hydra instead of an individual head. -- Pirates You recieve double the winnings from events. -- Bounty If you are killed, the killer will recieve 33% of your money.	Cooking During the night: You may give a head of a hydra one of your dishes, which they can use for a 1-shot ability. You can give out the following abilities: - Hormone Soup with Sea Pork -Lets you revive a hydra head. - Simsim Cream -Jailkeeps a head. - The rest of the wedding cake -Neighbourises a head with the user.	Ero-Cook Any female character you perform an action on will be invited to your neighborhood. -- Pirates You recieve double the winnings from events. -- Bounty If you are killed, the killer will recieve 33% of your money.
YOU WILL WIN THE GAME WHEN ALL THREATS TO THE TOWN HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.

The Pink Ball head of Cappy has also died. Hectic should now post on his main account only.

More than one thing do not check out with this

1) Why Pink Ball died? How did a single-head shot end up there?
2) Why both imperium heads are still alive?

mod: does kills-protection work mathematically or something else? Like, 1 kill = -1 life, 1 protection = +1 life and if life is <= 0 the player dies, or is protection absolute, or...? I mean, don't explain individual roles, just how kills vs protections work in general in this game

3) Why nobody else died if zoro had access to elite bg and he pretty much knew he was going to die by bodyguarding imperium...?

Actually while i was writing this i realized that #1 could be explained by #3 if pinkball was the target of Sandai Kitetsu. This could lead to hectic scum with pinkball. Somebody has a different explanation?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

nvm spiffeh didn’t win anything

-Latias

Literally never? I made a post on that let me check

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

nvm spiffeh didn’t win anything

-Latias

Literally never? I made a post on that let me check

-Farkran

Spiffeh only participated in 1 game and didn't win so i guess he really had no money to use elitebg.

Theory scrapped. Still, there are still many things that don't check out with that flip. How did pinkball die, and how is imperium still alive?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

PB might have gotten shot by Imperium I guess?

Imperium survived because Spiffeh’s bodyguard ability absorbed all the kills targeting them

-Latias

Nachomamma never participated in any event, tammy participated in two but never won. Actually she lost one. How did they shot?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

PB might have gotten shot by Imperium I guess?

Imperium survived because Spiffeh’s bodyguard ability absorbed all the kills targeting them

-Latias

Nachomamma never participated in any event, tammy participated in two but never won. Actually she lost one. How did they shot?

-Farkran

Lightning rods come with an immunity to all kills usually. My bet is a strongman. That doesn't explain how Pink Ball died though.

~Titus

You are suggesting that scum strongmanned the kill on spiffybringer? It's not a bad guess per se but it's a weird target and also too much of a coincidence to flip as bodyguard

I an drawing a blank on pinkball and i'd like to hear imperium

None of my d1 reads changed though, i think scum is on the smol wagon, likely second half, and among those who participated heavily in the minigames. It was spiffy who suggested that initially and it makes sense if strongman is a purchasable perk

I'm still thinking of feminist bloc but need more info first

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@2727 no, that was an assumption with spiffy being elitebg but he dien't have enough money for that

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@MOD

: how do kills and protections work while affecting the same player? Like, 1 kill = -1 life, 1 protection = +1 life and if life is <= 0 the player dies, or does protection prevent ALL kills on a player? I mean, don't explain individual roles, just how kills vs protections work in general in this game

This was an important question

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@MOD

: how do kills and protections work while affecting the same player? Like, 1 kill = -1 life, 1 protection = +1 life and if life is <= 0 the player dies, or does protection prevent ALL kills on a player? I mean, don't explain individual roles, just how kills vs protections work in general in this game

This was an important question

-Farkran

Varies depending on role. If role says protect against 1 kill, it protects against 1 kill. If a role says it protects against all kills, it protects against all kills. Also event in around an hour and 15mins from now, dm me if I don't show up, im playin tf2 (Alisae#3437)

Good enough, sounds like Imperium absorbing all the kills with 1 protection is plausible

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

VOTE COUNT 1 . FINAL

Smol Might

------------ 9 ( Equitable Androids, Egopsray, Blake x Yang, Spiffybringer, The Searchers, Cappy, Feminist Blocc, Black Hole Defection, Disaster Artists )

VOTE: Feminist Bloc

Yo, Black Hole Defection.

We have some stuff to talk about it.

Would you like to begin?

I'm interested in this, please continue

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I agree with equitable androids, and i wonder why blake is doubting a confirmed softclaim. Do you have any reason to do so, blake? Would EA and DN stick their nose out in that fashion today if they're scum together?

Also, i think Feminist Bloc matches best with VCA and NKA. They should be the lynch today, but i want to hear from Flavortown about black hole, and from imperium about what happened last night. Several results are still off and imperium must know something more.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Bitmap is severely disengaged with this game, i don't know what to tell you.

@DN, is that at me? You should read my latest 5 or 6 posts if that's the case.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

DA also hinted to have given me something.

Time you guys talked it out.

Where?

-f

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Oh.

-f

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

For the record, i'm pretty sure the lightning rod was working.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Titus is yours a night ability or anytime ability?

-F

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

We'll work on flavor later.

Smol Might was Tokoyami and Dark Shadow. They were aligned with the

Town

Smol Might
Tokoyami		Dark Shadow
Reader ID Faction Role	Eragon Tokoyami Town Hero	Reader ID Faction Role [/align]	ShadowlessCloud Dark Shadow Town Totally not a stand power
Actives [/align]	Passives	Actives	Passives
none.	Class 1A Dorms: You are in a hood with Ankamius and Taly, who you know to be Midoriya and Bakugo.	Black Ankh Your bulletproof ability is extended to Tokoyami for the night. -- Black Fallen Angel Target a head to follow them and determine what types of actions they used during the night. -- Ragnarok Target a hydra. You will kill them.	Power from Darkness You are immune to nightkills, unless you are exposed to light, which will also roleblock you. You may only perform each of your abilities once during the game, and only one ability per night. -- Totally not a Stand Power You will die if Tokoyami dies.
YOU WILL WIN THE GAME WHEN ALL THREATS TO THE TOWN HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2020-04-16 03:45:31). Actions 1 hour before the end of the night will not be accepted.

Also by this flip, blake and yang were in a hood with smol might.

Did you learn nothing from that, not even when they were active?

-F

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@imperium are you saying that "follow me" can be roleblocked?

But does it also attract the roleblock? In which case, what happens if, say, night 1 there were exactly two actions and no passive effects: the actions are a roleblock targeting player A and a vig shot targeting player B. Nacho is player C and used follow me.

Who dies?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Ok, thanks tammy, i think your answer makes perfect sense and i think i know what happened to pinkball.

There are fair chances that nacho was blocked and spiffy didn't target nacho.

The only element that doesn't match with my theory is how firebringer died - spiffy was the bg head, why did firebringer die too?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I agree with equitable androids, and i wonder why blake is doubting a confirmed softclaim. Do you have any reason to do so, blake? Would EA and DN stick their nose out in that fashion today if they're scum together?

Also, i think Feminist Bloc matches best with VCA and NKA. They should be the lynch today, but i want to hear from Flavortown about black hole, and from imperium about what happened last night. Several results are still off and imperium must know something more.

-Farkran

EA

had a softclaim?

I'm a bit skeptical that you say

Feminist

is scum off VCA -and- NKA, what's your reasoning?

Yeah, when they claimed gifting something to DN and they confirmed. Later that was revealed it was a gift of money.

As for NKA of spiffy, i was considering the possibility of a strongman kill. I retract that statement.

It is likely that spiffy wasn't the scum target AND wasn't protecting the scum target. The true target was probably Cappy, although i don't know why the Firebringer head of Spiffybringer died if that is the case.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

After reading Spiffy ISO i'm more than convinced than Cappy was the real scum kill.

I stand by Feminist Bloc being the correct lynch for today.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

This has nothing to do w/ the claim.

Also @Boon: You can still die if DEB is night-killed.

VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko
~Ircher

Explain

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

VOTE COUNT 2 . 2

• Feminist Blocc
  -------- 3 ( Mikoto and Kuroko, Despair Night, Equitable Androids )
  L- 5
  
  
  Disaster Artists ------ 1 ( Blake x Yang )

  L- 7
  
  
  Blake x Yang
  ---------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Egospray
  -------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Black Hole Defection
  -- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Imperium
  -------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Mikoto and Kuroko
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  NL
  -------------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Equitable Androids
  ---- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  The Searchers
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Flavortown
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Despair Night
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Latias and Latios
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Unapologetically Foxy
  - 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Hectic
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ----------- 11 ( Disaster Artists, Egospray, Black Hole Defection, Imperium, NL, The Searchers, Flavortown, Feminist Blocc, Latias and Latios, Unapologetically Foxy, Hectic )

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-25 17:00:00)

I just noticed that blake's vote is on the wrong slot.

VOTE: Despair Night

-Blake

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

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Mikoto would be lynched based solely on the Bitmap not posting which is a shitty lynch given I townread Farkan. It will worry me on D3+ and I wanna see Bitmap if the numbers tie on wagons but the hydra shares an alignment.

Is this gobbles? You know I prefer playing scum.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

So I've been talking to Kuroko about the Blake and Yang slot. Kuroko really doesn't like Blake but I'm pretty okay with that slot as a whole.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I've been trying to decide if Farkran reconsidering on me after my walls toward EoD was townie and it could have been, but I agree that Bitmap is the scummy head of that hydra and it's hard to townread the hydra as a whole as a result. I kinda think Farkran has a wide-ish scum range and I'm not sure this is outside it?

I still don't like your slot and I wish we lynched you yesterday but Kuroko disagrees with this.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Just vote Feminist Blocc with me and if I’m wrong just call me trash or something

This.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

My attitude adjustment was not money.

You did not get my thing?

What were you implying you did to me then?

I got nothing from you

, I only got what Titus claimed to have given me.

Ok, thanks tammy, i think your answer makes perfect sense and i think i know what happened to pinkball.

There are fair chances that nacho was blocked and spiffy didn't target nacho.

The only element that doesn't match with my theory is how firebringer died - spiffy was the bg head, why did firebringer die too

?

-Farkran

These are the things that i cannot explain yet. All the other events can be explained by nacho being roleblocked by scum, cappy being the scumkill and spiffy protecting a specific someone (not nacho).

It's not impossible to believe that Disaster Artist was also roleblocked, given the flips, but if it happened it must have come from town. As for the Firebringer head, i have no clue why it died, but that should also come from town - or, maybe more likely, from a purchased vigshot.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Kuroko, why are you so focused on night actions?

Also I still dislike the Feminist Blocc wagon. Honestly, Flavortown would be a better lynch. No one has offered a compelling reason as to why they are scum--all I'm seeing is "Ausuka and Datisi aren't as engaged in the game as everyone else." That's not a good reason to lynch a slot especially given their rebuttal. Not to mention the fact that I townread what they have done.

Equitable Androids have been a meh slot all game that I've been paying minimal attention to. I would not be opposed to s wagon there.
~Ircher

I'd ask why are you not - we are in a rolemadness-like environment with plenty of night actions that can support/disrupt the truth of certain claims down the road.

For instance, don't you think that a different scumtarget implies different NKA? Did you read cappy's readlist in 1437? What are your reasons to defend Feminist Bloc? Do you want to towncase them for me, in your own words?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@FB why did you skip the part where i explain what happened night 1?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@FB why did you skip the part where i explain what happened night 1?

-Farkran

Oh, I looked through your ISO again and you think I'm scum from NKA because Cappy said they were scumreading me in one post in the middle of the day? Is that all?

Well, no, it's not all, but it's there.

What's your opinion on cappy being the true nk?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I guess I could see VCA

What's your VCA of the smol might wagon?

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Hmmm. I have to say that when Feminist Bloc posts, i actually like it. I kinda want to vote the searchers or blakeXyang, but i don't see any of the wagons gaining any traction for reasons unknown to me. I dislike the equitable androids wagon a lot.

I wouldn't mind compromising on Foxy today if i assume all of the above as town. Their ISO isn't exactly fantastic and it would fit the gamestate.

VOTE: Unapologetically Foxy

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Hmmm. I have to say that when Feminist Bloc posts, i actually like it.

Fark, have you ever had an actual problem with our slot, or was it always that we "don't post" while I'm consistently playing in events?

-D

Would you not consider it a problem? Like, you seem to be separating the two things in "problem" vs "or was it this thing", but i don't think they are separated. I like ausuka's posting, but you seem to act more when prodded than being motivated to solve the game - this is still concerning, as is your position in the smol might wagon. I'm not dropping you forever, but i'm willing to explore elsewhere now.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

anyway

My slot is functionally third party. To be clear, both of our heads have town wincons, but drk's head also has a 3p wincon. That wincon is now 90% complete and should be resolved no matter what. We are 'old people with coronavirus'. coronavirus does not harm players in the game, but when 100% of the game is infected drk wins. We spread by participating in events so now everyone that was in an event with us will spread to everyone they visit at night and when that hits everyone drk's head just wins. That's now... Almost everyone, only a few lurker/afk heads left

My head is an 'old person' and I die at the start of night 3, so next dayphase is my last. I'm probably skipping most of the next day since I don't think there's any point getting money when I will die before I use it so this game is functionally over for me.

I have been townsiding. Imperium is hypertown in pt.

I did want to say this though since there was confusion over how multiple wincons on heads could work. I believe that while every hydra has to have both heads having at least one of the main wincon, other heads can have *additional* wincons

This game is probably a little more bastard than I thought as a result and I also just kinda lost interest in mafia since boon's game was a level of hyperstupid that I no longer really feel like playing mafia but I'm not gonna sub out to make someone take a slot that auto dies before they can do anything

Drk also never even wanted to play this game and she hasn't warmed up to it. I think she has a dayvig on bugspray which I'm gonna see if I can use on her behalf, so george doesn't feel so jealous of their pt which is apparently mostly chess and bugspray being scummy

lolwut?

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

readlist

CONFIDENT TOWN

Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud)
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer)

Hectic
Black Hole Defection (popsofctown and Prism)
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy)

REASONABLY TOWN
Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald)
Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia)
Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus)
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty)
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf)
Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey)

LYNCHABLE/SCUM
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR) = Farenheit (Eddie and Key)
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka)
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf)
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher)
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly)

I'm roughly here, doing a readlist to recap my thoughts. I'm not confident enough as to claim the full solve is in the lynchable pool, but definitely confident enough to say there is more than 1 scum among those. I disagree strongly with Blake VCA and i'm much more in line with equitable androids VCA.

I don't understand the wagons on egospray. There is a claim and a towny slot to vouch for that claim. I see nobody doubting hectic towniness except perhaps Unapologetically Foxy. To be honest, unless somebody steps up and claims to have vigshot the pinkball head, i'm not changing my mind there.

I think DA claim makes sense, i would expect someone sending coronavirus as their pick, and roles are most definitely built around picks - could also be scum, but is easily verified so i don't care.

More votes on foxy should appear.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

And you are still wrong and offering gratuitous shade or waving counterarguments to shut down my posts - you are failing to make the easiest logical connections while reading what i write and you're not that dense of a player when it comes to that. I am actually denser than you, and i would still get what is going on by simple means of

asking

, which you are avoiding with great care - this makes me believe you're doing it on purpose, and it's not town motivated.

I'll always be happy to flip you as soon as there is interest.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

And you are doing a remarkable job twisting my motivation to out my thoughts and analysis, expecting that i would do so as scum instead of shuttiing up or pushing in the consensus direction when i have nothing to gain by doing otherwise. Your definition of "anything significantly town" is biased and conveniently bent to fit your read on me. I'm ready to 1v1 you whenever you want - facts are on my side and if you were town you would have already realized that.

I am also questioning your decision to vote on lhf and using a VCA which is explicitly made to let you stay out of the lynchpool, being on the wagon yourself. For the record, i don't think all scum were on the wagon, but thinking that only 0-1 scum were on it is even more presumptuous - your position is indefensible, and trying to steer people away from the logic conclusion with such vehemency makes me believe that i am correct on you and that there were 2 to 3 scum on that wagon (plausibly: blake, searchers, FB).

You aren't that blind when town.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Engagement is over - i want people to read my posts before following up

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

VOTE COUNT 2 . 4

• Flavortown
  ------------ 2 ( Hectic, Disaster Artists )
  L- 6
  
  
  Equitable Androids
  ---- 2 ( Feminist Blocc, Blake x Yang )
  L- 6
  
  
  Unapologetically Foxy
  - 2 ( Black Hole Defection, Mikoto and Kuroko )
  L- 6
  
  
  Egospray
  -------------- 2 ( Fahrenheit, Despair Night )
  L- 6
  
  
  Feminist Blocc
  -------- 1 ( Equitable Androids )
  L- 7
  
  
  Mikoto and Kuroko
  ----- 1 ( The Searchers )
  L- 7
  
  
  Imperium
  -------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Despair Night
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 0
  
  
  Disaster Artists
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Blake x Yang
  ---------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Black Hole Defection
  -- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Fahrenheit
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  The Searchers
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Latias and Latios
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Hectic
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ------------ 5 ( Egospray, Imperium, Flavortown, Latias and Latios, Unapologetically Foxy )

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-25 17:00:00)

We have no real wagon.

@Blake: Why the fuck are you shooting down everything Farkran is saying when we have no major wagon with 2 days remaining?

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

2 days to deadline and the top wagon never went beyond 2 votes.

@equitable androids, despair night, hectic, imperium, L&L, disaster artist, egospray

= please vote unapologetically foxy.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

This is worse than Calendar mafia. Please get on a wagon if you haven't voted, preferably a wagon with at least 2 votes.

Extra brownie points if you vote Foxy.

-Mikoto