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I can't make up my mind about you, but I already TR Nero, Miss Lynch & Vecna for their posts before the one I'm responding to.
In my mind I can see a townie asking this in public after having failed to get an answer via PM. However, I can also see scum asking it, and not only to appear townie, but -more importantly- to know if there's a way for them to stop it.
If I understand the setup correct, the scum can only kill twice, and these need to be from the infected pool (which works directly against their win con), so the real challenge is to keep everybody vulnerable to the infection so they can gain parity soon enough.
-JJD
On another note, I can only see farside & mastina using "she" for their pronoun. I'm going to have a hard time playing this game.
-AP
You guys don't submit your first post without me putting my touch/signature on it
In post 34, Vecna wrote:Nero cain especially with his reservation afterwards due to setup weirdness
Are you scum reading me?
Somehow I got it the other way around. What I thought Vecna was saying was your tryhard was the good type of tryhard that gets the game going. I hope he did explain his read on you better in the next few pages.
In post 314, 50 Judge Powers wrote:If I understand the setup correct, the scum can only kill twice, and these need to be from the infected pool (which works directly against their win con), so the real challenge is to keep everybody vulnerable to the infection so they can gain parity soon enough.
I think it’s scum can kill from the infected pool every Night and can kill outside it twice.
I reread it, and I stand corrected. Feels a bit too scum sided though.
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Post #325 (isolation #7) » Tue May 05, 2020 12:10 pm
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 322, Vecna wrote:So A50, is this like, a hydra with heads I dont recognize, or an account where you mix all your different gimmicks into one style?
This is my 4th alt, combining all the other 3 in one.
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Post #364 (isolation #8) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:59 pm
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 326, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:A50 is AP actually in there or is this jokes cuz if AP is then that would make me super happy. Though I haven’t seen him around in forever and I miss him.
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Post #491 (isolation #13) » Wed May 06, 2020 9:57 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 383, Saudade wrote:No i am also a variable in itself because I interact with the other 20 variables
You should be a constant not a variable to yourself, unless you are expecting your alignment to be switched during the course of the day. I mean, play according to your current alignment and eat the rope already.
Also, regarding your signature.. so you mean Ultravox' Vienna (which is actually a girl's name) or Falco's Vienna (calling) which is the capital of Austria??
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Post #496 (isolation #14) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:07 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 390, Saudade wrote:btw i didnt read the game/setup details, is this a scum vs town or scum vs town vs zombies(infected) or something?
Knew it! I actually thought about PMing the mod when I saw you sign in, but the jerk in me thought I shouldn't be a jerk about it (talk about oxymorons)
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Post #510 (isolation #18) » Wed May 06, 2020 10:39 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 416, mastina wrote:You're a distinct possibility tho considering this as your opener feels incredibly off from what I'd expect from you, especially in a meme game.
Which one of us are you even talking to? There are 4 heads here (AP has too, and he's always using the smaller of them).
Oh, God! FL is scum with mastina and the town has lost this one already. Can I please get infected at some point? I mean, not on N1 .. but some time sown the road, maybe?
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Post #694 (isolation #21) » Wed May 06, 2020 7:08 pm
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 592, mastina wrote:Almost50's content this game more or less feels like it's all out of balance from where it feels it should be. A level of seriousness, mixed with a level of inactivity. If Almost50 were town, I'd expect either the seriousness to be accompanied by a slough of posts, or for there to be inactivity accompanied by a ton of lighthearted jokiness. The splitting the difference, half of one half of the other, feels like it is more likely to come from scum than town.
I think I want to print that and put on the wall, so I can look at it when I need a good laugh. Still not voting you today because I feel like people have been eager to lynch/kill you for no reason in your recent games (the ones that I saw), so I want you to live till like D3 and then reevaluate.
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Post #928 (isolation #22) » Thu May 07, 2020 1:46 pm
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
I am currently working on finding a vaccine that should make us all immune to this evil virus. I am also working on finding a cure to those who will get infected before I can find the vaccine. The thing is everytime I think of a cure/vaccine I find that Trump had tweeted about it already. Give me a break.
Oh, God! FL is scum with mastina and the town has lost this one already. Can I please get infected at some point? I mean, not on N1 .. but some time sown the road, maybe?
Was this post a joke A50? I guess it was right?
Why would I joke about the most important thing in life (next to Kim Kardashian's behind, apparently, but that's debatable.)?
Mafia do not HAVE to kill infected players. Makes WAY more sense now.
It seems scumsided to me
When I got invoted to play and read the setup; I thought about it and I theorized there would be one of two solutions to balance this:
a) A Doctor who gives out a vaccine
b) A Doctor who cures the infected and once cured you can no longer get infected again
I also thought there could be a Nurse as a backup in case the Doctor got shot early.
I mean, this is basically a cult game, but with the cult starting with 3 members AND all of them can "recruit", so there has to be a way for town to retrieve their own to counter that.
In post 1065, Creature wrote:Wait, mafia must kill one of their recruitees every night?
They “may”. But if one of their wincons is to absorb at least half the town why on earth would they bother?
My theory should explain that. If the recruit gets cured they become immune, and thus it's better for them to kill that player to remove a future immune townie
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Post #1597 (isolation #27) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:09 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1081, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I wonder if you get infected can you infect another person by visiting them and hen they can only kill one of the infected people and the other gains immunity.
That would be too complicated and too overpowered, but more importantly the infection is a FACTIONAL ABILITY, and thus can only be used by the "Mafia" faction. Why do you think the mod differentiates between Mafia and Infected when both have the same win con?
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Post #1601 (isolation #28) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:14 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1091, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I wonder if it would benefit us to announce if we’ve been infected? There’s bound to be someone with the ability to target infected with a cure or something.
If I was the mod I would give Mafia a Watcher to counter that. Also, imagine the town decided to lynch the claimer. They die as "Infected" and would still win/lose with the Mafia not the town. Plus, announcing you got infected is playing against your current win con, so one would be risking a ban.
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Post #1604 (isolation #29) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:16 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1092, Quick wrote:Or Mafia infects one person and the Town person spreads it someone.
Again: NO. Only the
original
3 members of Mafia can infect people. The infected are like "Traitors" who do not know their main team, but the main team knows them. They also can be killed by the main team, and they lose if the main team is eliminated.
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Post #1609 (isolation #30) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:20 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1096, Quick wrote:Except people are not going to know they are infected...
That can't be the case, because if you don't know then you don't know your own wincon. An infected player should get a notification of their alignment change to be able to play to their new wincon.
By now I am sus of both ETL & Quick for missing fundamental concepts of how a game should work despite them both being experienced enough.
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Post #1619 (isolation #32) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:29 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
How does ETL agree to Quick's proposition the infected may not be informed of their infection, yet still asks the mod about them announcing it?? I mean, the question directed @Mod doesn't appear to have a shred of doubt about them getting notified of it.
In post 1604, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Again: NO. Only the original 3 members of Mafia can infect people. The infected are like "Traitors" who do not know their main team, but the main team knows them. They also can be killed by the main team, and they lose if the main team is eliminated.
this comes from a place of great knowledge...
Shut up, Nero! Try THINKING before you throw out accusations. Why would a Mafioso EVER say what I'm saying in public??
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Post #1623 (isolation #34) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:34 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1123, Quick wrote:I still hold that Mafia might have an arsonist, but that might only be ONE of their roles. They might also have a GF and/or a Cult Leader.
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Post #1627 (isolation #35) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:37 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1125, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I think it’s worthwhile to note that there is mafia and then there is infected and while infected are considered mafia-aligned the mafia are not classified as infected.
Slightly redeeming.
Also, don't be fooled by my sudden boost in motivation. I'm sure it will soon fade away again. I'm just trying to do the most with it while it lasts
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Post #1633 (isolation #36) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:42 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1130, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I think infected people can infect other people by doing night actions but mafia don’t inherently infect people with their actions.
Geez! Just when I was considering reconsidering my read on you. It says the infection is a factional thing, and the infected are NOT "Mafia" themselves. They are 3P aligned with the Scum. That is why the mod has them as a separate entity when stating the wincons. It says the win con for Mafia/Infected, which is a clear indication Infected =/= Mafia, and thus Infected canNOT infect people, because ONLY MAFIA CAN.
Now I challenge you to design a game with your stated/allegedly perceived mechanics, and make it remotely balanced. You've got until the end of the year.
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Post #1641 (isolation #37) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:47 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
Like, really... Mafia is lucky enough to infect a Fruit vendor on N1 (say), and on N2 they infect a Hider, while the FV infects some other player. That'd be 3 infected already by the start of D3, and then by the start of D4 the Mafia infect someone and each of their recruits infects another and we have 6 infected + 3 Mafia + 3 lynched + 2 killed (assuming they don't kill an infected player). The game is fucking over already because there's no way we can lynch 3 Mafia before the Mafia + Infected gain parity.
You're speaking on this so confidently as though you know for sure, when you should know about as much as we all do.
I happen to have the privilege of thinking constructively rather than farting and smelling my own gas. It's all about the wording of the rules (something a disappointing portion of players never pay attention to) and a balancing concept (experienced players like yourself should always consider that). As I said (later) if the infected can infect other people themselves the game is over before D4 even. I spoke too fast in that post, but with 5 town deaths the remaining slots are 16 and then we have 3 Mafia + 6 Infected and that's a MAJORITY.
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Post #1656 (isolation #39) » Fri May 08, 2020 9:56 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
It happened much faster than I gad expected. My motivation is dead.
I'll keep on reading, and will "try" to get myself to post still, but I am disappointed in how the game is going right now, so excuse me while I do a ton of other stiff while trying to catch up.
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Post #1699 (isolation #40) » Fri May 08, 2020 10:52 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1590, Nero Cain wrote:thats not the same thing? A50 s saying that they all can recruit as in like there will be 3 recruits tonight. But the one in the op makes it sound like there will be 1 recruit a night b/c its a factional ability not linked to a role.
What I mean is there is no specific "Cult Leader". In the most common CULT games the Cult Leader is the only one who can recruit, and if you lynch/kill that you stop the cult from growing. In this game you can only stop the infection from spreading by killing/lynching all 3 Mafia.
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Post #1703 (isolation #41) » Fri May 08, 2020 10:57 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1606, Nero Cain wrote:though I dunno exactly how the nk would work, b/c if they infect a player tonight and then like kill him? or be forced to use one of there 2 kills outside of the pool but that seems unfair to them....
would be funny if a50 DID slip the mafia has multiple infections tonight to start building up that pool.
That would make no sense. The game would end on N2. All they need is to mislynch twice and NK twice (or even once) and the remaining players would be 18, 3 of which are Mafia and 6 are infected = parity achieved.
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Post #1707 (isolation #42) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:05 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1622, Nero Cain wrote:yes, no scum have ever revealed set up information so they look all smart. nope.
It would actually be DUMB. Instead, Mafia would always try to mislead Town into thinking of different other solutions early on so that they can get a head start of a day or two. Like, until Town figures out they'be been illogical in their propositions it would probably be too late for them catch up anyway. Why not let you/others think all infected roles can spread the infection themselves and have the town panicking by D2? If I want to win as Mafia I would use that mindset to sweep it all over.
But anyway, you do you. I know it's hard to convince you with anything that didn't originate from your own mind, and I would rather not waste our time/energy in this TvT debate.
1- Not yet ready to end the day
2- Not as sure you are scum anymore
3- This could be a trick if you are scum. Like, I dunno how far Ircher would go with his "bastardness" but if it was me, FL or Varsoon you might expect a scum role that does something harmful to Town if flipped early, I don't think Ircher is that type of mod though, so let's stick with the first 2 reasons.
No. There are far more people you can point to that have had a committed opinion of me to make lynching me more beneficial than lynching mastina.
With you campaigning for your own lynch I don't think scum will bother be on you. If you are indeed a townie then 0-1 scum will be voting you if the lynch goes through.
I mean, I dunno anymore. Should I just assume you know what you're doing and that there is actually a plan here?
In post 1579, 50 Judge Powers wrote:a) A Doctor who gives out a vaccine
b) A Doctor who cures the infected and once cured you can no longer get infected again
There should be multiple of this sort of role, actually, not just one. If there were only one, we'd be fucked if they died early-on by being too town/high profile/much of a threat/etc. especially if infected.
I'd expect there to be, like. Five, eight, thereabouts, such roles and similar. Probably not half of the town having such roles, but enough of the town having them that the scum would need to work really hard and be really precise to eliminate them all.
If you read my post in full I did mention a Nurse is a possibility. I'd say if this game was intended to be slightly townsided (to compensate for town stupidity nowadays) there should be one of each + a backup or two (either a backup for each or one "Universal Nurse", so to speak).
But if I was designing the game I would only have one Doctor (either or) plus one backup. The cure doesn't affect those who are not infected and the vaccine doesn't work on those who are already infected, granted, but still too much townpower for scum to overcome if there is/are backups and too swingy if there are not.
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Post #1841 (isolation #49) » Fri May 08, 2020 2:18 pm
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 1815, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Do not let mastina later claim that she was just “mistaken” after spending so many posts trying to convince people she’s such an authority on my gameplay.
I hate to disappoint you, but I've seen it first hand and I know mastina can be like that as town too. I am not yet picking the "scum vibes" from her play.
Disclaimer: Not a defense of mastina. Just saying that I do not SR her right now.
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Post #2097 (isolation #51) » Sat May 09, 2020 2:35 pm
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
@Mod: No prods needed in this game for as long as Quick is in it. He's posting enough to cover for everybody else's absence.
@Hoctac: Outing your reads is bad anyway. Consider this (if you are Town): You have me (say) as your top TR today, and you get infected overnight and suddenly want to lynch me.
The best strategy to play this is to "fake" a SR on one or two of your strongest TRs and then you won't find it hard to continue pushing them -for real- if you get infected. If you don't, just keep SRing them in public so they are less likely to get infected too, and THAT -my friend- is the Town!Bloc you need to solve the game.
~The Most Perceptive. Wise And Convimcing Of Them All
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Post #2507 (isolation #55) » Tue May 12, 2020 2:04 pm
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
I'm concerned (but not overly so) about Miss Lynch promoting the idea the infected players can kill, and Voted trying to fake a townslip by stating scum don't have daytalk. I think the latter is more concerning though.
This game needs the more experienced GAME DESIGNERS to participate more.. (Looking at FL & mastina in particular).
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Post #2585 (isolation #57) » Wed May 13, 2020 7:16 am
Postby 50 Judge Powers »
In post 2577, Auro wrote:A coded message back at Saudade:
לעולם לא מוותר לך
לעולם לא אאכזב אותך
לעולם לא מתרץ
ונטוש אותך
לעולם לא אביא אותך לבכות
לעולם לא נפרד
לעולם אל אספר שקר ופגע בך
A coded message to both Saudade & Auro
לזיין אתכם
המשחק מבלבל מספיק בשבילך להקליד בשפה שאיש לא יכול לקרוא בלי תרגום של גוגל