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[Jake The Wolfie]

reserved - never

[OkaPoka]

Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

I might be wrong sure, but whats the alternatively explanation to my proposed two worlds? The last world is you four all scum.

You are not considering you are wrong here...

All four of us being Scum is bat shit crazy. Why does there NEED to be Scum in that group? How about you explain that... thoroughly.

I literally presented two worlds where all four of you are town or at least one of you are scum. ?

Except that Jake is Scum in all your worlds, right? Well if he's Town, then you just shit the bed with your analysis of what is going on here.

No? Jake is not scum in all my worlds.

[Quick]

But that's twice you've dodged my question and tried to answer a question with a question.

Oooh, thrice. Still have yet to see engagement with the actual question.

Are you saying here that 3708 wasn't an answer? The 2nd sentence looks like a pedit.
If it wasn't the answer then what's the question?

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever. I don't like it, maybe he's being honest but if we set the bar that low where we can forgive play of I don't care enough to scumhunt when he's criticizing us for not scumhunting, then fuck it, good luck.

If he changes his vote now do you really think that is going to make a difference for you?

[Quick]

Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

I might be wrong sure, but whats the alternatively explanation to my proposed two worlds? The last world is you four all scum.

You are not considering you are wrong here...

All four of us being Scum is bat shit crazy. Why does there NEED to be Scum in that group? How about you explain that... thoroughly.

I literally presented two worlds where all four of you are town or at least one of you are scum. ?

Except that Jake is Scum in all your worlds, right? Well if he's Town, then you just shit the bed with your analysis of what is going on here.

No? Jake is not scum in all my worlds.

Okay, so what is the case here exactly?

[OkaPoka]

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

[50 Judge Powers]

Pedit. please hold!!! let someone with a better command of English handle this.

ME! ME! ME! Me is vary gud en inglish

[davesaz]

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever.

So you care more about the vote than the discussion. Chainsaw perhaps?

[Jake The Wolfie]

But that's twice you've dodged my question and tried to answer a question with a question.

Oooh, thrice. Still have yet to see engagement with the actual question.

Are you saying here that 3708 wasn't an answer? The 2nd sentence looks like a pedit.
If it wasn't the answer then what's the question?

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever. I don't like it, maybe he's being honest but if we set the bar that low where we can forgive play of I don't care enough to scumhunt when he's criticizing us for not scumhunting, then fuck it, good luck.

I'm in a catch 22. Either I change my vote and get called scum for bending to the will of pressure, or I don't and get called scum for not bending.

In either case, I don't care that you scream and demand that people scumread me, and if they don't you'll scream even more.

[Quick]

Like, the ONLY way I see Jake is Scum here BASED ON THE QUESTION TO THE MOD is if he asked the question in light of being Scum which tainted his answer, but we will never have that info at this point. Best to read the slot based on other things than what he PMed the mod. This is not rocket science... I believe we can figure this out.

[OkaPoka]

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever.

So you care more about the vote than the discussion. Chainsaw perhaps?

I do care about the discussion? He's not clearly explaining his thoughts? He's being weirdly avoidant of tackling his mental thought process and is resorting to I'm lazy, and I don't care as his primary responses whenever there is a gap in play.

[OkaPoka]

But that's twice you've dodged my question and tried to answer a question with a question.

Oooh, thrice. Still have yet to see engagement with the actual question.

Are you saying here that 3708 wasn't an answer? The 2nd sentence looks like a pedit.
If it wasn't the answer then what's the question?

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever. I don't like it, maybe he's being honest but if we set the bar that low where we can forgive play of I don't care enough to scumhunt when he's criticizing us for not scumhunting, then fuck it, good luck.

I'm in a catch 22. Either I change my vote and get called scum for bending to the will of pressure, or I don't and get called scum for not bending.

In either case, I don't care that you scream and demand that people scumread me, and if they don't you'll scream even more.

Missing the forest for the trees. Your vote on Voted is not why I scumread you, its an example of the mentality I perceive as negative town equity so even if you are town, its a +ev for town situation.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

It's not a contradiction because we asked two different questions and I assumed we asked the same general question when in reality wording matters.

[Quick]

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever.

So you care more about the vote than the discussion. Chainsaw perhaps?

I do care about the discussion? He's not clearly explaining his thoughts? He's being weirdly avoidant of tackling his mental thought process and is resorting to I'm lazy, and I don't care as his primary responses whenever there is a gap in play.

That's a shit reason to SR someone as someone who constantly gets lynched as Town for this...

[Flavor Leaf]

My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

I think FL has the best shot at being infected FWIW.

I NEVER get picked by any of that kind of stuff because people think I’m gonna be expected to get picked.

If I get infected this game, I will straight up announce it, so I can get cured.

[Quick]

My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

I think FL has the best shot at being infected FWIW.

I NEVER get picked by any of that kind of stuff because people think I’m gonna be expected to get picked.

If I get infected this game, I will straight up announce it, so I can get cured.

The lie detector determined

that

was a lie!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Sometimes you gotta add some bibbidy bobbidy boo

But that's twice you've dodged my question and tried to answer a question with a question.

Oooh, thrice. Still have yet to see engagement with the actual question.

Are you saying here that 3708 wasn't an answer? The 2nd sentence looks like a pedit.
If it wasn't the answer then what's the question?

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever. I don't like it, maybe he's being honest but if we set the bar that low where we can forgive play of I don't care enough to scumhunt when he's criticizing us for not scumhunting, then fuck it, good luck.

I'm in a catch 22. Either I change my vote and get called scum for bending to the will of pressure, or I don't and get called scum for not bending.

In either case, I don't care that you scream and demand that people scumread me, and if they don't you'll scream even more.

Missing the forest for the trees. Your vote on Voted is not why I scumread you, its an example of the mentality I perceive as negative town equity so even if you are town, its a +ev for town situation.

It may not be THE reason, but it's a reason. I'm cutting the forest down one tree at a time.

[Covid 19]

Day 2 VC #15

Creature (0):
Auro (0):
Hoctac (2): davesaz (2775), Flavor Leaf (3134)
5G Tower (0):
Jake the Wolfie (4): OkaPoka (3547), Tchill13 (3606), Auro (3627), Alchemist21 (3643)
Aristophanes (1): mastina (2852)
Quick (3): 50 Judge Powers (2919), Saudade (2924), gobbledygook (3083)
TrueSoulEnergy (0):
Voted (2): Jake the Wolfie (3095), TrueSoulEnergy (3506)
Alchemist21 (0):
Nahdia (2): Nero Cain (3667), Quick (3669)
Flavor Leaf (0):
davesaz (0):
mastina (1): Creature (3241)
Tchill13 (0):
Saudade (4): Nahdia (3229), Hoctac (3239), 5G Tower (3348), Voted (3393)
No Lynch (1): Aristophanes (3460)
Not Voting (0):

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[OkaPoka]

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

It's not a contradiction because we asked two different questions and I assumed we asked the same general question when in reality wording matters.

okay, can you ask the mod what you can reveal about your original question? Like the thing is, lynching you is not a loss for town until you can project towniness, and the only way you can project towniness right now is explaining how the contradiction happened. I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm tunnelled onto something that will clear you if you could explain, so if you are scared then get mod to give you the greenlight to explain what you can explain.

[Quick]

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

It's not a contradiction because we asked two different questions and I assumed we asked the same general question when in reality wording matters.

okay, can you ask the mod what you can reveal about your original question? Like the thing is, lynching you is not a loss for town until you can project towniness, and the only way you can project towniness right now is explaining how the contradiction happened. I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm tunnelled onto something that will clear you if you could explain, so if you are scared then get mod to give you the greenlight to explain what you can explain.

I have Jake as one of my strongest TRs outside of this mess, so maybe you can try and do that too...

[OkaPoka]

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever.

So you care more about the vote than the discussion. Chainsaw perhaps?

I do care about the discussion? He's not clearly explaining his thoughts? He's being weirdly avoidant of tackling his mental thought process and is resorting to I'm lazy, and I don't care as his primary responses whenever there is a gap in play.

That's a shit reason to SR someone as someone who constantly gets lynched as Town for this...

its a good reason to scumread people because you aren't going to win anyways if there are so many townies s.t lynching all the deadweight will result in a loss. And raising the bar gives the wolves less room to hide.

[OkaPoka]

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

It's not a contradiction because we asked two different questions and I assumed we asked the same general question when in reality wording matters.

okay, can you ask the mod what you can reveal about your original question? Like the thing is, lynching you is not a loss for town until you can project towniness, and the only way you can project towniness right now is explaining how the contradiction happened. I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm tunnelled onto something that will clear you if you could explain, so if you are scared then get mod to give you the greenlight to explain what you can explain.

I have Jake as one of my strongest TRs outside of this mess, so maybe you can try and do that too...

why is Jake your strongest TR? why should I TR him?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Add some supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

It's not a contradiction because we asked two different questions and I assumed we asked the same general question when in reality wording matters.

okay, can you ask the mod what you can reveal about your original question? Like the thing is, lynching you is not a loss for town until you can project towniness, and the only way you can project towniness right now is explaining how the contradiction happened. I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm tunnelled onto something that will clear you if you could explain, so if you are scared then get mod to give you the greenlight to explain what you can explain.

I asked the mod how much I could reveal and they said I couldn't say exact wording, but I could generalize it to "Do infencted know they are Infected?"

[Flavor Leaf]

My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

I think FL has the best shot at being infected FWIW.

I NEVER get picked by any of that kind of stuff because people think I’m gonna be expected to get picked.

If I get infected this game, I will straight up announce it, so I can get cured.

The lie detector determined

that

was a lie!

Where?

I don’t think I’ve ever been culted of any kind. And I’m not playing in a way where if I were to be infected, I would survive.

And you were the only person town reading me, how am I at all a good infect?

My presence, even when I’m not even posting, is always there.

[Quick]

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever.

So you care more about the vote than the discussion. Chainsaw perhaps?

I do care about the discussion? He's not clearly explaining his thoughts? He's being weirdly avoidant of tackling his mental thought process and is resorting to I'm lazy, and I don't care as his primary responses whenever there is a gap in play.

That's a shit reason to SR someone as someone who constantly gets lynched as Town for this...

its a good reason to scumread people because you aren't going to win anyways if there are so many townies s.t lynching all the deadweight will result in a loss. And raising the bar gives the wolves less room to hide.

Make your case he is Scum OUTSIDE of this mod PM business and I will hear you out.

[Nahdia]

hey so i just asked the mod somethin

my question was: hypothetically if i asked a mechanics related question could i then go into the thread and say "this is what i wrote to the mod, word-for-word. this was their response." ?

the response i got was that copying is generally okay in that context.