Grand Idea GPick [Game Over]

[Ircher]

VOTE: No Lynch

I think everyone should claim page picks.

[Ircher]

I think claiming page numbers is useful for spotting fakeclaiming scum later.

Also, this setup might have as little as 3 town. We need all the help we can get.

[Ircher]

Like we already know there's a mafia faction in this setup from pregame. S as nd scum are gonna have a hard time fakeclaiming page numbers.

[Ircher]

This is Grand Idea Mafia. The card is related to a mafia-aligned role. I'll quote the post later when I find it. Do NOT claim the card's color.

[Ircher]

RQS Time

Seriously, RVS went straight into setup spec mode. I guess I'm partially to blame. Let's get the scumhunting ball rolling with some questions.

1) Are you town or not town?
2) Why did you sign up for this game?
3) What's your favorite alignment and why?
4) What's your favorite color?
5) Who would you lynch right now if you could autolynch someone and why?
6) What is another question that you would like to ask everyone else in this game?

[Ircher]

RQS Time

Seriously, RVS went straight into setup spec mode. I guess I'm partially to blame. Let's get the scumhunting ball rolling with some questions.

1) Are you town or not town?
2) Why did you sign up for this game?
3) What's your favorite alignment and why?
4) What's your favorite color?
5) Who would you lynch right now if you could autolynch someone and why?
6) What is another question that you would like to ask everyone else in this game?

1) I'm town of course. The actual probability I would rand town based on my page pick is 72%.
2) I joined because Grand Idea Mafia is a really interesting setup filled with its twists and turns. I also think TemporalLich is a respectable moderator. Also, originally, I wasn't going to join because I have been trying to cut down on how much time I am spending on this site, and I was already in another game. I ended up joining though because the other game was almost over (in fact, it's over now), and I saw that this game needed a final player.
3) Town is my favorite alignment simply because it feels more natural. As scum, you have to try to hide the fact that you know more than everyone else, and that can be really hard to do well. Personally, I'm not great at scum. 3rd party can be interesting, but it's also difficult to win as certain third party roles.
4) My favorite color is

green

, and no, I'm not trying to subconsciously influence you to associate my slot with green and town by saying this.
5) I'd go with Chemist1422 because they obviously have some sort of post restriction. I feel it might be related to a scum role. Nothing else really catches my eye.
6) I've asked enough questions, so I'll refrain.
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7) how would you describe your playstyle as town/ as scum?

7) As town, I'm open and transparent. I'm not a very aggressive player often opting for more nuanced reads. As scum, I'm a lot more conscious of what I am posting. While I can generally still make decent content, I have a harder time doing so. Associations tend to give me away.

8) if your significant other accused you of cheating on them when you didn't how would you respond?

8) I don't think I want to answer that.

9) What's your favorite Pokemon?

9) I'm afraid that I don't play Pokemon. Since I am not very familiar with the franchise, I cannot answer the question.

10) Would you like to form a townbloc?

I think it is too early to form one at this point in time. Maybe in the future.

[Ircher]

If you don't have a post restriction Chemist, why are you playing like you have one?

[Ircher]

Seems a bit weird to me. I guess there are some players who like faking post restrictions for entertainment factor, but honestly, yours doesn't seem to fall inti that category (no offense).

Also, Chateau Lobby has caught my eye for having the third most posts in-thread and yet having stated nothing of substance yet. I guess the game did just begin, but it doesn't seem like they are even trying to steer the thread towards content and finding scum.

@Hoctac --> I do indeed remember the last time I did RQS. Maybe you should try comparing my answers that game to my answers this game. Try to see if RQS is actually effective at discerning alignment or not.

[Ircher]

11) What's your favorite number?

11) My favorite number remains the square root of two.
Amongst other reasons, it's one of the first numbers known to be irrational.

[Ircher]

1) town
2) I liked the last grand idea and the roles are a bit more interesting.
3) scum - just hard to ignore a scum buddy that is looking obviously scummy
4) purple
5) Battle Mage - See Jigsaw game Very rough to watch (would say more but I'll leave it be)
6) how would you describe your playstyle as town/ as scum?

Very brief and to the point. This response isn't very useful in formulating reads.

1 town
2 it looked interesting
3 I don't know yet
4 purple
5 probably that chateau guy cuz he didn't seem als interested as others in finding info or cracking the game
6 if your significant other accused you of cheating on them when you didn't how would you respond?

Another brief one, but the read on Chateau is useful.

[Town.]
[Acting primarily on impulse.]
[Town. It's much less stressful.]
[Yellow.]
[TrueSoulEnergy, on policy.]
[What's your favorite Pokemon?]

This one is extremely brief, almost too much so, but it really depends on the player I guess.

1) Mafia Goon D:
2) I wanted to be an unlimited shot dayvig.
3) Town T_T
4) Green Diamond
5) Ircher. He makes me sad. Remember our last game you asked these questions, Ircher?
6) Would you like to form a townbloc?

This answer isn't Hoctac-y enough. I honestly think that's mildly scummy.

1) Why don't you lynch me and find out
2) idk
3) Town, I can't play mafia
4) Blue
5) mmmm Lets go with Chemist... and no reason
6) What's your favorite number?

Seems a bit on the arrogant side but that sounds more like a personality quirk. I think the answer to #5 is bad, but probably bad in a townie way.

1) town
2) I wanted a cool PR
3) town because I like the puzzle of the game
4) green
5) Hoctac. It's hard to sort someone playing heavy WIFOM.
6) Did you get the role you were hoping for?

What boring answers! Meh, I can't think of any useful comments about this set of answers.

1) town
2) it looked like the most interesting game currently for signups
3) town because I enjoy scumhunting
4) purple
5) ircher. I will elaborate on this in the next post
6) do you want to start a wagon on ircher with me?

Why does everyone insist on short answers? Why couldn't you put the elaboration in that post rather than your next post? The vote/tunnel reasoning on me does not come across as town-indicative, but I wouldn't write it pff as scummy either necessarily.

1. yes
2. cuz we like putting ourselves in uncomfortable situations
3. above the vote, so the smell of the vote rises straight into my nostrils as i lick it.
4. brown. bits of raisin is fun too for some flair.
5. i dont trust this question at all, im not gonna answer.
6. subscribe to our onlyfans pls.

Complete non-response... Hmmm... If you felt answering would not be useful, you could've just ignored it rather than give non-answers. Thus, why did you answer the way you did? I could see this coming from town or scum, but I'm honestly leaning towards scum right now.

1) Always & 4-Eva
2) Pretty sure I've never played a Pick game like this. I've wanted do a few times but my game load was always too big.
3) Alignment doesn't matter, I like being a PGO.
4) Is this where I crumb my card color?
5) You, for calling me out on TOO MUCH activity on page 1.
6) VCA in this game? Good or bad?

Pretty much your run of the mill answers. I do think their answer to #5 is slightly town-indicative.

[Ircher]

{Ircher}
{Pigman, Quick, Chateau Lobby}
{farside22, Chemist1422, boring} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Hoctac, hellbooks}
{Two Girls One Vote}

[Ircher]

I already did?

[Ircher]

yes.

Why haven't you answered the RQS yet?

[Ircher]

It might be a crumb, but it's otherwise completely useless.

[Ircher]

It might be a crumb, but it's otherwise completely useless.

VCA is a crumb? From who, mod?

Oh I thought you meant your sixth post in isolation.

Eh, for VCA it really depends. I think it can be useful at times, but it's best to try it when we have a lot more info (at least two days worth of VCs, preferably a flipped scum). It's also probably not as useful in this game given its multiball.

[Ircher]

Sloppy wording on my part, but Grand Idea Mafia has a high probability of being multiball.

[Ircher]

All I need is for scum to crosskill. Then I'll win.

[Ircher]

HURT: Two Girls One Vote
HURT WITH A BLADE: chkflip
HEAL: TemporalLich

[Ircher]

Dayvig: hellbooks

Buh-bye.

[Ircher]

Doctor Drew is looking like a good lynch.

[Ircher]

Doctor Drew is looking like a good lynch.

What can I do to look less scummy?

Don't worry fellow scum buddies, totally not a scum tell.

I dunno... Come up with some reads perhaps?

[Ircher]

Chateau Lobby is looking a little worse.

[Ircher]

Strange that BattleMage and Iconeum have not posted yet.
VOTE: Battle Mage

[Ircher]

It feels like a single party in here with a lot of gossip and no one getting to dance.
I can't recall a struggle like this where just getting a wagon on someone meet with resistance and many disagreeing.

let's get a wagon going then. I like voting Quick, who seems to be comfortable to only be dipping his toes in here and there. happy birthday to him by the way!
VOTE: Quick
if people are willing to get a wagon going on Ircher or True Soul Energy, count me in there as well

Or hactoc is just Scum. Your pick. I don't think Hactoc claims goon as a nonserious joke actually. Like... even in the hypothetical I am Scum here, I still think Hactoc is goon.

This is a really bad take. I can say from personal experience that this conclusion is strictly false.

[Why do you think Hoctac would seriously claim goon, Quick?]

Because I think Hactoc is too smart to claim goon as like VT or something. I just don't see his nonsense being THAT nonsensical.

[That doesn't answer my question.]
[Why don't you think Hoctac is too smart to claim goon as goon?]

Stop misrepping me.

[I'm not.]
[I'm asking a different question and you're not answering.]

Chemist1422's line of questioning here is looking good.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Quick

[Ircher]

Ftr, don't think Quick is necessarily scum here, but a wagon on them would be healthy.

[Ircher]

I do not subscribe to standard mafia theory. I subscribe to the Theory of Mafia as envisioned by Ircher.

[Ircher]

Care to contribute any reads, Pigman?

[Ircher]

More Quick votes please.

[Ircher]

You should still vote there.

[Ircher]

Lots of info to be gained from voting you.

What are people's votes on people like farside22 and Chemist1422 accomplishing right now?

Absolutely nothing!

Meanwhile voting you has some tangible benefits.

[Ircher]

Quicks motivations seem towny if anything... why would I join the wagon

Now that's a stretch. How is his rigid insistence that only true scum claim scum "town-motivated"?

[Ircher]

More votes on Quick please.

@Manatee --- I strictly disagree with that WIFOM-y assessment of motivation that you present.

[Ircher]

I feel this setup does indeed have only like 4-5 town max.

[Ircher]

Whats the case for scum!Quick then Ircher

There's no need for a full-fledged case to get a wagon going this early in the day. I think their narrow focus on Hoctac's goon claim is grounds for a wagon regardless of whether it is indicative of town!Quick, scum!Quick, or not indicative at all. They should take a more liberal outlook on the game. There's plenty of more useful things for them to focus on.

[Ircher]

P(Claiming Scum | You are Scum) < P(Claiming Scum | You are Town) unless you are the sort that likes to purposefully gamethrow for some silly reason.

[Ircher]

VC 1.4

Quick (5) - Titus, farside22, hellbooks, Battle Mage, Ircher

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-06-02 15:30:00) or when a lynch is reached.

Considering I'm at the end of the wagon, I wouldn't consider the Quick wagon composed of "a bunch of people blindly listening to Ircher".

[Ircher]

VC 1.4

Quick (5) - Titus, farside22, hellbooks, Battle Mage, Ircher

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-06-02 15:30:00) or when a lynch is reached.

Considering I'm at the end of the wagon, I wouldn't consider the Quick wagon composed of "a bunch of people blindly listening to Ircher".

Well thats kind of what I'm asking about. You weren't even voting for him when you were calling for people to vote him so you can't really point to this VC and be like "see no one was sheeping me!" Its a bit disingenuous don't you think?

I have no idea what you're talking about. This is not at all my stance or what I have been doing.

[Ircher]

[tweet][/tweet]

VOTE: Quick

Ftr, don't think Quick is necessarily scum here, but a wagon on them would be healthy.

More Quick votes please.

You should still vote there.

Note carefully the timeline. I didn't start advocating for Quick to be wagoned until

after

I voted Quick.

[Ircher]

I think driving a Quick wagon is healthy for the game state overall. In contrast, my vote on Battle Mage was not accomplishing anything useful since Battle Mage was not (and continues not to be) present.

[Ircher]

Quick likes to make controversial statements. Seeing how people react to those stances will help propel the game forward.

[Ircher]

Updated Reads:

{Ircher}
{Chemist1422, Chateau Lobby}
{Pigman, Quick, farside22}
{boring, TrueSoulEnergy, ManateeDude} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Titus, Doctor Drew}
{Iconeum, Saladman27}
{Hoctac, hellbooks, Battle Mage}
{Two Girls One Vote}

[Ircher]

No deaths in Grand Idea? Maybe this game is single ball after all.

TSE, please explain that hammer.

[Ircher]

Quick you got some explaining to do along with the people quickhammering

Don't ask me.. I have no idea what is even going on right now. I didn't get lynched which is like... wut? and there was no NK. I have no clue what is going on in this game tbh.

That's strange. Maybe there is a lynch disabler or something...

VOTE: ManateeDude

Simple enough. Too obvious. Nothing genuine here.

Quick you got some explaining to do along with the people quickhammering

Dont think TSE quickhammers and draws FoS as scum here

This thought changed quick.

Decent point but not vote worthy.

More stuff is happening: Pregame, I got a green card, but now I have a yellow card too. As far as I know, I'm still town, and it was right at the beginning of N1, so any recruitment-like night actions couldn't have happened yet.

Did anyone else get another card?

Yup.

Also think Quick is lying and I'm going to say scum based on something that I got this morning.
But I'm pretty sure when you see player lynch proff at flip that isn't 1x, maybe wrong but I'm not going to be testing that theory right now.

TSE: Why did you hammer without a claim?

I Hammered because I was bored and thought I’d goof around.
Not the greatest idea but I was like “oooo I can hammer!”
I don’t think I was 100% at the time lol.

Zzz How do you expect us to win if everyone were to hammer on a whim?

I also got a card. We really should not be color claiming.

I agree. We already discussed cards Day 1 anyway. Why is this being brought up again?

What are the chances that TSE is jester, but only on certain days? I think I remember that kind of stuff in the Grand Idea thread.

I’m legit just a bit more then a VT.

Isn't VT one of the more fun roles though? (Sure, it's Grand Idea Mafia, but VT allows you to do stuff that having a role does not.)

When I say "FENCE"
Y'all say "SITTING"

"FENCE!"

....

SITTING!

VOTE: boring

[According to the Card Game Cheater role which was quoted earlier, green cards do not exist.]

Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm not sure why scum!boring lies about card colors though.

[Ircher]

You want Quick to claim but you're voting boring because? A green card seems like a dumb thing to make up.

Quick and Manatee are far better lynches.

I more or less agree with this. Maybe less so with regards to lynching Quick.

[boring is claiming they received something which should not be possible to receive.]
[Therefore, they are lying.]

[But lying does not imply scum.]

i have an announcement to make

Go right ahead; what's stopping you?

im willing to vote boring but I'd like some sort of explanation from him. chemist is becoming more and more towny today and im liking it

You didn't think he was townie yesterday?

You want Quick to claim but you're voting boring because? A green card seems like a dumb thing to make up.

Quick and Manatee are far better lynches.

how on earth is voting someone who was lynchproof yesterday a better idea... do you not see the many issues with that?

Because there's not likely a role that's infinitely lynchproof. The moderator would declare that broken.

Ummmmmmmmm thats not broken if he can be killed.

Eh, it's potentially broken if it's a role associated with scum. Town isn't guaranteed a full vig, and even with one, a lot could bank on that vig shooting scum!Lynchproof correctly. (Town vigs are notorious for making hero shots rather than sensible choices.)

Town Guesser

Each night, may submit 2

Guesses

of the exact roles of two separate players.
You will be told if 0, 1, or both of your guesses are correct. You will not be told which guess is correct for the case you get 1 correct.
You may not submit a guess for the same player more than once in the game.
For each correct guess, you receive a

One-Shot Doctor Heal.

Heals can be stacked, and multiple can be used in the same night along with the guesses.
You may self-target with a heal no more than once during the game.

Well it can't hurt to tell us what you guessed Night 1.

The silence is deafening. Is everyone scum here???

It's Sunday afternoon. Be patient.

The silence is deafening. Is everyone scum here???

I don't want to be conftown. I want to live and play myself. I signed onto this game to play D1 and get better at my early game. Becoming conftown defeats that purpose.

VOTE: Titus

your primary focus in a game should always be winning

This is a very bad vote.

[Page 313. My role shouldn’t be too difficult to figure out.]

[Noted. I'll take a look.]

[Ircher]

Okay so I wasn't sure how my role worked. I picked from page 230 and I received Town Effort Saver.
When Quick stated he wasn't aware of being lynch proof I thought maybe the role I picked might be the reason and I verified it with the mod.
So in a sense Quick being lynched day 1 would have ended the game right there and he would have won on day 1 if he is indeed 3P.
This leads me to believe Quick is a 3p that should be shot with this knowledge. I'm also scum reading titus whom seems to pushing this idea of Quick as scum and trying to say that lynchproof is impossible.

vote: Titus

Hmm... Very interesting... Quick being third party would not surprise me.

VOTE: Manatee

Quick, please claim.

[Ircher]

Quick, are you 3rd party?

[Ircher]

Chemist, why do you think boring's lie was a scum move?

pedit: In Grand Idea Mafia where you get to pick a page? Seems unlikely.

[Ircher]

Although who makes a game-ending Jester role? Most jesters simply exit the game upon winning.

[Ircher]

Ah I did lol.

[Ircher]

Well town could have misread the color of the card... So sure, they lied but it was unintentional in that case. That's just one possibility.

[Ircher]

Nah Quick isn't that. They wouldn't win by getting lynched, so Quick would've been lynched yesterday.

[Ircher]

Well town could have misread the color of the card... So sure, they lied but it was unintentional in that case. That's just one possibility.

That's a bit bias why of looking at it.
Oh that player misread there color we should believe that?
You town reading boring for some reason?

I didn't say I was townreading boring. I just mean that most "slips" aren't really slips, and one should be careful about aggressively pursuing slips. 93/100 so-called "slips" that I have seen weren't actually slips.

[Ircher]

I haven't liked manatee's day 2 posts, especially the one where he votes Titus.

[Ircher]

Why is Battle Mage town TSE? Why is TSE town Manatee?

[Ircher]

Okay, what makes you think I am scum?

[Ircher]

Making my return to the mafia game
Another defeat would be such a shame
I know nothing yet to greatly assist
But perhaps that's because I'm already pissed
Maybe some sleep will help me repair
and I'll have something insightful to share
Bonjour Annie, tu est magnifique
although our future already looks bleak
Lynching me today would be bad recourse
And the town would experience due remorse
Some words of wisdom before I go
Town should take things nice and slow

VOTE: Quick

Gotta go fast!

ROGNTUDJUUUUUUUUU

Battle Mage has only this post, and this post (aside from the Quick vote) doesn't say anything useful. I can't understand how you can townread a player based only on this post.

pedit: Hmmm.... Let's see.... My role pm for starters.... I could probably go into self-meta reasons as well if you like.

[Ircher]

Okay for starters, I have 57 posts so far this game and the most posts of anyone. That indicates I'm fairly engaged with the game. Compare with this game where I was scum. Aside from that, I'm also still pretty transparent this game; I haven't said everything yet because some things require time for parsing, but for the most part, I'm giving it to you as I go. I'm not holding things back.

Let me just sum it up this way: the more engaged I am in a game, the more likely I am town. The less I hold back, again, the more likely I am town. If I am scum, I will also make it quite evident at some point based on my voting patterns.

[Ircher]

Expecting instantaneous responses is unreasonable by the way. You should know that.

[Ircher]

Weren't you scumreading me in the Jigsaw game where I was town? (Granted, we only played together for a short period of time.) I think that's an indication that you don't know my play very well; therefore, you are unable to effectively judge my play.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Battle Mage
He's apparently ignoring this thread for some reason.

[Ircher]

I'm not convinced TSE is town.

How about this:
VOTE: Iconeum

The mighty dragon should wake up from his slumber and enlighten us all.

[Ircher]

Why shouldn't we out you Titus?

[Ircher]

Also the Titus wagon, if it's based primarily on Hoctac's claim and Titus's refusal to become conftown, is bad, and the people on it should be ashamed that they think Titus's stance is a scum stance.

[Ircher]

About 50/50 from a brief search, but I question why town would use it on us. And I guess that is a good point, but still don't think that's lynch-worthy by itself.

[Ircher]

The silence is deafening. Is everyone scum here???

I don't want to be conftown. I want to live and play myself. I signed onto this game to play D1 and get better at my early game. Becoming conftown defeats that purpose.

VOTE: Titus

your primary focus in a game should always be winning

Again, I don't like this vote. It vibes the wrong way--yes, you should want to win, but "becoming conftown" isn't necessary if there are others who can conftown and would be more suited for it. Manatee is also focusing very narrowly here based on what Titus said rather than looking more at the big picture. It comes scross as the kind of read scum try to fake on a player.

[Ircher]

The silence is deafening. Is everyone scum here???

I don't want to be conftown. I want to live and play myself. I signed onto this game to play D1 and get better at my early game. Becoming conftown defeats that purpose.

VOTE: Titus

your primary focus in a game should always be winning

Again, I don't like this vote. It vibes the wrong way--yes, you should want to win, but "becoming conftown" isn't necessary if there are others who can conftown and would be more suited for it. Manatee is also focusing very narrowly here based on what Titus said rather than looking more at the big picture. It comes scross as the kind of read scum try to fake on a player.

[Ircher]

I would essentially be a treestump because I don't have the energy from T v A to play the wifom game, manage emotions (jealous, upset at my choices), and lead town from behind.

I would rather die.

Please explain why you used your ability on farside and me rather than actual scum.

[Ircher]

I mean, scum

already

have PTs to manipulate town... That isn't convincing at all...

[Ircher]

If you target two scumreads, then you are trying to pair scum with scum. If they are the same alignment scum, it makes no difference. If they are different alignment scum, they can't coordinate because they'll likely try to scumhunt each other.

[Ircher]

Pairing two townreads together seems like the worst way to use your role.

[Ircher]

{Ircher}
{farside22, Chemist}
{Pigman, Chateau Lobby}
{boring, Doctor Drew}
{hellbooks, Battle Mage} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Saladman27, Iconeum, Titus}
{TrueSoulEnergy, Hoctac}
{Two Girls One Vote, ManateeDude}

3rd Party: {Quick}

[Ircher]

Chateau and Hoctac are both based on Day 1 reads. I should reevaluate my impression of Hoctac given the claim, but their play feels too static day 1, and that triggers alarm bells.

[Ircher]

Nope! I think it's clear enough.

[Ircher]

And i have a scum read on pigman. Lots of filler post there.

Just took a look and this indeed appears to be the case.

@Pigman:

Can you give us a full set of reads or something when you return from V/LA?

[Ircher]

Bon soir Annie, ma cherie amour
it's already Day 2 for those keeping score
Chances scum forgot to submit an NK?
Implicates quiet ones, got that out of the way
At least 1 scum is hiding, or could it be 2?
I can't be explicit, but there is a clue.
Farside should confirm if Quick-lynch ends the game,
A mere win-con fulfilled is not quite the same.
Hoctac should target somebody like ME
to test if his claim has legitimacy
I'm confirmed town now thanks to TSE
Hoctac should also verify the coconut townie
If Hoctac just targets 2 premature claimants
We should lynch him tomorrow (for entertainments)
I've listed below those I won't lynch today
I'd rather see what Saladman has to say.
Could Titus be Cupid? 1-shot or otherwise?
Or perhaps a werewolf mason, one could perhaps surmise?
It will help to take things at a gradual pace
Slow and steady wins this race.

chemist1422
TSE
Boring
Farside
Quick
Ircher
Titus

Gotta go fast!

ROGNTUDJUUUUUUUUUUUU

VOTE: Two girls one vote

Just to confirm, this is a real posting restriction, right?
---
Still not impressed with Iconeum's posts, but there are bigger fish to catch right now.

manatee is very strong town. he shall be our savior

~girl who enjoys it

Very interesting, please share why.
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I like farside's Pigman read and would like Pigman to take some kind of stance in this game.
VOTE: Pigman

[Ircher]

But quick was Lynchproof, not deathproof.

I just asked the mod about this. He said that he would've written the lynch scene the same whether Quick was lynchproof or deathproof.

[Ircher]

That does not logically follow.

[Ircher]

I don't buy Quick's VT claim for one sec though.

[Ircher]

{Ircher}
{farside22, Chemist1422}
{boring, Doctor Drew, Battle Mage}
{hellbooks, Iconeum} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Saladman27, Titus, Hoctac}
{TrueSoulEnergy, Pigman}
{Two Girls One Vote, ManateeDude}

3rd Party: {Quick, Chateau Lobby}

[Ircher]

Also lynching Quick is 100% a no-go.

[Ircher]

Where did I say I that? (Hint: No where.)

[Ircher]

Voting Third party is a waste of time. We have actual scum to find.

[Ircher]

Voting Third party is a waste of time. We have actual scum to find.

what if said third party is a serial killer.. if you have a real conviction someone is scum you should push them either way and this just seems like a way to back off from a likely town!Quick flip

Why do you want to lynch Quick?

[Ircher]

Voting Third party is a waste of time. We have actual scum to find.

what if said third party is a serial killer.. if you have a real conviction someone is scum you should push them either way and this just seems like a way to back off from a likely town!Quick flip

Why do you want to lynch Quick?

I dont im just pointing out the flaws in your logic

{Ircher}
{farside22, Chemist1422}
{boring, Doctor Drew, Battle Mage}
{hellbooks, Iconeum} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Saladman27, Hoctac}
{TrueSoulEnergy, Titus}
{Two Girls One Vote, Pigman}
{ManateeDude}

3rd Party: {Quick, Chateau Lobby}

[Ircher]

Because as of right now, my vote would do absolutely nothing. Pigman is more useful due to contributing to a (small) wagon.

[Ircher]

Also, I don't know how you manage it, but every time you post, you drop further down in my reads.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Two Girls

[Ircher]

Drew is a good option, but I find Two Votes being very very lazy for a hydra as if they're trying to blend into the shadows. I think that's a good place to vote. Furthermore, their posts so far do not impress me at all.

[Ircher]

Fuck it, I am the Town Anti-Recruiter.

Every night I can choose someone to recruit, if they are town they become mafia.

Remember the little back and forth Hoctac had earlier in the game?

lol get out of here scum.

[Ircher]

drew is probably some cult leader with that kind of claim

why did you choose page 324?

[Ircher]

interesting timing to start doing stuff after just being called out for not doing anything all game despite there being 2 of you

You'd prefer we went back to lurking? Also, thats rich coming from someone with a post count even lower than ours.

I take back what i said about TSE being scum. being a scummy person is different. As a scummy person myself, I would like to express sincere regret for scumreading you. We believe and stand with TSE!

do we want to waste a hoctac investigation on quick's VT fake-claim?

-the money

More votes on Two Votes please.

---
TrueSoulEnergy is probably town based on his claim and interactions involving that claim, but his reads this game aren't very good.

[Ircher]

I don't think so. Even if they are, I think Two Girls is a much better vote; we can always save farside for tomorrow.

[Ircher]

I don't think so. Even if they are, I think Two Girls is a much better vote; we can always save farside for tomorrow.

You said that last game and we lost.

1) Your reads were not on-point there.
2) I have very little control over who other people vote, and I can't stop quickhammering scum.
3) This isn't a valid counterpoint anyway.

I don't think so. Even if they are, I think Two Girls is a much better vote; we can always save farside for tomorrow.

Still? Why? I thought they were Scum for lurking? Now they are Still Scum after posting?

Since when has farside22 been lurking????????????

[Ircher]

Why are you defending Two Girlsrn Quick?

[Ircher]

Zzzz... Two Girls One Vote or no vote... That's my vote... I disagree that you can infer anything from the current game state other than the game as a whole isn't very invested in this particular game.

[Ircher]

the girl who enjoys it more has a 100% foolproof method for finding scum. that method says that boring is 100% scum. anyone not sheeping us and voting boring is 93.2% scum. you dont want to be that scummy. its bad for your digestion.

-the money

And we're supposed to believe this this late in the day? Lol no! You should be more explicit with your guilties if you are town.

[Ircher]

lol to the people who go "ohh X isn't doing anything must be scum" motherfuckas, yall aren't doing anything either and 80% of this game aint doing shit. 80% of the game can't be scum.

Titus = sheep barely pushing anything.
Farside - one of the few people pushing the game but is also kind of disinterested
Manatee - my one true town lover, also starting to lose interest
Quick - Well he is jester, do we count him?
Iconeum - ur only active for 5 mintue spurts. Its obviously not AI since ur v/la until weekends.
and the rest of yall aren't even worth me talking about in terms of activity cause i would be like "yeah this person is barely doing anything"

=)

~girl who enjoys it

This post highly indicates you aren't paying attention at all.

since no one claimed to stop the lynch, we can gurantee that scum have the power to stop lynches. Whether we call it Quick doing it and scum or someone else in the scum group. I think that much is at least clear.

~girl who enjoys it

Yep, not paying attention whatsoever.

[Ircher]

Two Girls is scum; I'm willing to risk being the lynch tomorrow if I'm wrong.

[Ircher]

I've done no such thing.

[Ircher]

100% scum implies a guilty. Anything besides that is not not 100% confidence.

[Ircher]

Drew is a good option, but I find Two Votes being very very lazy for a hydra as if they're trying to blend into the shadows. I think that's a good place to vote. Furthermore, their posts so far do not impress me at all.

Like Ircher. This was ur original "case" against us.

This was it. I was blending into "shadows". And my posts don't impress u. The fuck? I ain't here to be ur role model my dude.


~girl who likes it

And I think this is a perfectly good case against your slot. Your slot has done jacksquat all game and in a scummy manner. There is zero reason to believe you are town. It's also highly "coincidental" that you start picking up your activity as soon as a wagon actually starts forming on you. Why couldn't you maintain this presence earlier in the game?

pedit: Your posts aren't memorable. That's part of the issue.

[Ircher]

Also people with guilties sometimes want to obscure the fact they have a guilty. If you were taking that route, that post makes sense to an extent.

[Ircher]

That's a bad analogy for several reasons. The first of which that in real life, many guilty people actually do admit to their crime (i.e.: plea bargains). Aside from that, mafia is different. The dynamics and evidence are different. Scum have a legitimate reason to stay in the shadows, and they also possess a good reason to come out of the shadows to avoid their lynch.

pedit: My second point still stands. Mafia is different because guilty people are not incentivized to start talking in real life. They let the lawyer do the talking for them. In mafia, you don't have a lawyer to defend yourself, so if you're scum, you have to do your own defending.

[Ircher]

You still haven't answered my question as to why you suddenly feel you need to project a presence now rather than doing that earlier in the game.

[Ircher]

Survivalism is part of it. There's also the fact that your posts are unimpressive. You can tell lurking scum from lurking town based on what they post. So far, you've made a very weak push on boring apparently based on intuition and not even given a smidge of a case. That's the only constructive and pro-town thing you've done this game. Some of your posts indicate you aren't really paying attention to the game. Finally, my standards for activity for your slot is higher due to your slot being a hydra. How is it that between the two of you, the only real read y'all have presented is boring is scum and don't even offer any evidence to support it?
pedit: So both you and your hydra partner were bored with the game from Day 1. Why then did y'all sign up?

[Ircher]

Well here's the thing: the one read your slot has made (boring) is of poor quality considering you don't bother providing any evidence whatsoever to support it. Gut reads have their place, but when your only read is one based on intuition, and you don't bother at least pointing to some posts that ping you, that's an issue. The read is more or less useless and like many such reads, it can easily be backtracked at will if things don't pan out.

[Ircher]

But why is that scum indicative?

[Ircher]

Scum don't have s motivation to lie about that either. I disagree with card claiming. I still think it's in our best interests not to do so. All of the abilities are antitown.

[Ircher]

LicketyQuickety nopity nopity nope. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. I have nothing new to contribute. See you again tomorrow, maybe it'll be more interesting.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Hoctac

[Ircher]

VOTE: Hellbooks

Lynching Chateau here is a waste of time.

[Ircher]

BM is conf!town in two ways.

[Ircher]

My role is confirmable. I'm vigging Bingle tonight.

[Ircher]

Chateau has a high chance of being third party like lyncher --> thus, no reason to lynch them right now.

[Ircher]

I'd also like to mention that boring has stuck to the green card claim. I don't really see scum that slipped about card colors doing that.

pedit: No. A 2-day lynch phase is useless because people can't agree on anything in such a short period of time.

[Ircher]

I'm banking on there is another vig for Quick. Vigs are pretty popular you know.

[Ircher]

How is boring "obvscum"?

[Ircher]

{Ircher}
{Battle Mage}
{farside22, TrueSoulEnergy}
{Chemist1422}
{boring, Iconeum} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Two Girls One Vote, hellbooks}
{Titus, Hoctac}
{ManateeDude, Pigman}
{Bingle}
{Doctor Drew}

3rd Party: {Chateau Lobby, Quick}

I actually feel pretty confident in all my townreads right now.

[Ircher]

I do not have an inno on BM. What I meant was not only TSE has an inno there, but also that his role (based on thr post restriction) is almost assuredly town.

[Ircher]

looks like 2G1V vs. hellbooks now. Chateau Lobby is now a vanity wagon w/ one vote.

[Ircher]

If I die tonight you should 100% do the massclaims I wanted today tomorrow and 100% remember that scum Vig is a possibility in idea games.

This shade btw is totally unwarranted.

[Ircher]

Yo Chemist, are you willing to do a 2G1V lynch?

[Ircher]

If someone is third party and not a serial killer, they usually have some win condition that does not directly conflict with the town win con. Thus, they're best left alone. Whether they win or not is not important to us unless their win ends the game (which for most non-serial killer third parties is not the case--they win independent of town or scum.)

SKs btw should be classified as scum despite being third party.

[Ircher]

VOTE: 2G1V

[Ircher]

pagebottom for the moderator

[Ircher]

VOTE: bm

VOTE: BM

?????????????????

[Ircher]

VOTE: hellbooks

[Ircher]

{Ircher}
{Battle Mage, Chemist1422}
{farside22, TrueSoulEnergy}
{Iconeum} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Doctor Drew}
{Titus, boring, hellbooks}
{ManateeDude, Pigman}
{Bingle}

[Ircher]

Then why did Quick survive day 1? Does that mean someone is a lyncher for Quick?

[Ircher]

Well if there's a lyncher for Quick, Chateau Lobby is my best guess.

[Ircher]

{Ircher}
{Battle Mage, Chemist1422}
{farside22, TrueSoulEnergy}
{Iconeum}
{Doctor Drew, hellbooks} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{boring}
{ManateeDude, Pigman}
{Bingle, Titus}

3rd Party: {Chateau Lobby, Quick}

pedit: I think you misread farside's claim.

[Ircher]

Effort Saver

Roles that end the game when they win cannot win until Day 2 or later. They are deathproof until Day 2 to compensate.

For reference.

VOTE: Titus

[Ircher]

That bomber role does not appear to "win when lynched"; therefore, that must mean there was a game-ending lyncher on Star's slot.

[Ircher]

Oh wait I see.... Nvm...

[Ircher]

That role could be worded better.

[Ircher]

Titus is a good choice. They loverized farside and me night 1 despite apparently thinking we're both town at the time.

[Ircher]

Well the loverization only lasted for a day phase.

[Ircher]

starbuck (Quick) is a 3p bomber. (see this viewtopic.php?p=10295966#p10295966)

I'm an anti-weak rolecop. so if I target town, I die. didn't target N1 for obvious reasons. happy to be leashed so that if i die you'll have an inno.

and I'm happy to be leashed & die for the sake of getting an inno bc i assume there's now a target on my back, but w/e i'm tired of getting tunnelled by scum!boring and friends

If that's you're role and you're so confident I'm scum, why didn't you target me last night?

It's risky if wrong, and I don't think helllbooks crumbed their target ahead of time. Getting info on Quick's slot is much more useful.

[Ircher]

Well the loverization only lasted for a day phase.

If Titus was scum in that scenario, wouldn't she have just pushed to lynch one of you? Instead, she told you she did it.

...also, I realize just now that I missed her loverizer thing on the list I made for Hoctac.

No, I don't think so. It doesn't seem the right risk/reward balance to push us. Especially like I said, she basically was townreading us beforehand. Flipping reads suddenly would be problematic.

Maybe it's her operating under moonlogic to think that loverizing two townies is a good idea, so there's a case to be made for possible town!Titus. But at the same time, scum are incentivized to loverize two townies as it makes it a lot easier to get to lylo.

[Ircher]

starbuck (Quick) is a 3p bomber. (see this viewtopic.php?p=10295966#p10295966)

I'm an anti-weak rolecop. so if I target town, I die. didn't target N1 for obvious reasons. happy to be leashed so that if i die you'll have an inno.

and I'm happy to be leashed & die for the sake of getting an inno bc i assume there's now a target on my back, but w/e i'm tired of getting tunnelled by scum!boring and friends

If that's you're role and you're so confident I'm scum, why didn't you target me last night?

It's risky if wrong, and I don't think helllbooks crumbed their target ahead of time. Getting info on Quick's slot is much more useful.

I think that's a too-generous stretch. I wouldn't have had any problem targeting her last night if the roles were reversed, and I really struggle to be sure of anyone.

Nah, there's two types of people that get a vigilante or investigative PR.

The first type likes to make "hero" shots and target in their scumreads. According to your description, you'd fall under that category.

The second type thinks more carefully about what benefits town the most. hellbook's action here clearly falls under this category.

[Ircher]

Ftr, I only found one role with a possible poetry post restriction, and it was town. There's no way I'd support a Battle Mage lynch today.

[Ircher]

{Ircher}
{Battle Mage, Chemist1422}
{farside22, TrueSoulEnergy}
{Iconeum}
{hellbooks}
{Doctor Drew} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{ManateeDude, Pigman, Chateau Lobby}
{boring}
{Bingle, Titus}

3rd Party: {Quick}

[Ircher]

one shot

[Ircher]

[Page 313. My role shouldn’t be too difficult to figure out.]

[Ircher]

manatee if you had a dayvig shot, who would you shoot rn?

[Ircher]

Just cuz she's townreading us doesn't mean her scumbuddies have to accept that as well. They could easily try to lynch one of us and still get benefit out of it.

I also didn't like Titus's interactions with us when we discussed it in-thread earlier.

[Ircher]

VOTE: boring

[Ircher]

your point is based on wine and therefore has no relevance nor firm foundation.

[Ircher]

VOTE: boring

Well, at least I talked you out of SRing Titus. I'll call this a draw.

Where did I say I stopped scum reading Titus??????????

[Ircher]

your point is based on wine and therefore has no relevance nor firm foundation.

Is "your point is based on wine" an obscure expression or is it a saying unique to this site?

Both. It's obvious enough if you read/search the wiki, but it's a variant on a common phrase.

VOTE: boring

Well, at least I talked you out of SRing Titus. I'll call this a draw.

Where did I say I stopped scum reading Titus??????????

You're not voting her anymore. I guess I just assumed that's what it meant.

And why did you assume that?

[Ircher]

It's very simple. You're painting it as a very black-and-white move when in reality, there's a lot of nuance to be understood underpinning such a move.

[Ircher]

I think you are under-thinking this.

Anyway, you're scum regardless (maybe Titus is your buddy??), so this conversation isn't really worth my time. Chao.

[Ircher]

pagetop

bye scum!

[Ircher]

VOTE: Titus

[Ircher]

You apparently didn't loverize me cuz I didn't get such a message.

[Ircher]

Bingle is a bit too keen on getting rid of me.
Titus has now twice in a row used their night action poorly. Thankfully someone blocked them this time or something.

[Ircher]

Hm...

Potential situations:

Ircher is lying.
Titus is lying.
There's a roleblocker.

I still think I want to lynch Ircher, but we need to claim cards first because that might change things.

What do Titus or I gain here from lying about this?

I claim that I got a purple card last night.

[Ircher]

Also Bingle, you've made the sane error I did interpreting farside's claimed role. Go reread the description; there's no lyncher. (Well, I guess there could be... But that's besides the point...)

[Ircher]

I'm not obvscum. That'd why you're too keen on lynching me. Obviously, the vig claim was a joke.

[Ircher]

Bingle is a bit too keen on getting rid of me.
Titus has now twice in a row used their night action poorly. Thankfully someone blocked them this time or something.

Are you fucking kidding?

I'm 'too keen' to lynch obvscum who apparently fakeclaimed vig and is opposed to giving town shots at multiple lynches because 'figuring out who to lynch in two days is impossible'?

Titus targeting obvscum and universal 3p read for loverization is a poor use of a night action?

LMAO

Pull the other one, it has bells on.

Just your daily reminder that you should be claiming the Card you got at the beginning of the night.

Baah.

I like your posting today. Who are you voting?

obvtown

[Ircher]

Ummm Titus's action was more or less confirmed day 2 so she already had that going for her....

pedit: Is no one reading?????????????????

pedit2: Already claimed a green card.

pedit3: If you insist....

[Ircher]

starbuck (Quick) is a 3p bomber. (see this viewtopic.php?p=10295966#p10295966)

I'm an anti-weak rolecop. so if I target town, I die. didn't target N1 for obvious reasons. happy to be leashed so that if i die you'll have an inno.

Effort Saver

Roles that end the game when they win cannot win until Day 2 or later. They are deathproof until Day 2 to compensate.

For reference.

VOTE: Titus

[Ircher]

Suicide Bomb: Bingle

[Ircher]

Suicide Bomb: Bingle

I hope this is real because Quick should die then if my theory holds.

If my theory is wrong, this better be a troll.

So you believe I lied about not getting loverized again... Okie-dokey then....

Bingle's trajectory this game does not feel town whatsoever.

[Ircher]

Suicide Bomb: Bingle

I hope this is real because Quick should die then if my theory holds.

If my theory is wrong, this better be a troll.

So you believe I lied about not getting loverized again... Okie-dokey then....

Bingle's trajectory this game does not feel town whatsoever.

No. I don't believe you lied unless you're scum with Quick. I'm hoping that's the case. Otherwise, you just blew up my biggest townread (if real).

Then why do you think Quick's slot still dies if I die from that ability today?

[Ircher]

There is little benefit to claiming cards. It wastes time and gives scum info on whi to kill.

[Ircher]

I would like Battle Mage to participate a bit more.

[Ircher]

VC 3.2

Titus (4) - hellbooks, TrueSoulEnergy, Ircher, Battle Mage [L-3]
Ircher (4) - Bingle, Titus, boring, farside22 [L-3]
Chateau Lobby (1) - ManateeDude

Not voting: Chemist1422, Starbuck, Pigman, Doctor Drew, Iconeum, Chateau Lobby

With 15 alive it takes

8

7

to lynch.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2020-06-16 22:10:00) or when a lynch is reached.

@mod: would a lynchee be made deathproof D1 via the role in post 5725 of the GI thread?

I can't answer this question.

My wagon has at least one scum, likely two on it.
Meanwhile, the Titus wagon looks like its composed solely of town.

Welp it was inevitable.

It wasn't a secret anyway.

[Ircher]

Hmm, the composition of the Ircher wagon is 'interesting', my reads of those people are all over the place. I kind of feel that is a good thing.

VOTE: Ircher

Plus, now I get to sheep Titus again.

Why is this s good sign?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

happy to finally lynch him

That's it? That's all you have to contribute rn?

[Ircher]

Page 248 has my role.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

[Ircher]

Night 1, I targeted Iconeum. I'll keep my other targets secret for now.

[Ircher]

Final Reads:

{Ircher}
{Battle Mage, Chemist1422}
{Iconeum, farside22, TrueSoulEnergy}
{hellbooks}
{Pigman} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Doctor Drew}
{ManateeDude, Chateau Lobby}
{boring}
{Bingle, Titus}

3rd Party: {Quick}

[Ircher]

Take your time, Starbuck. Take your time.

[Ircher]

I would love to do Bingle, but there's not enough interest.

Also, consider me on the Titus wagon. I was voting earlier, but unvoted, and I haven't felt compelled to rejoin the wagon immediately.

[Ircher]

Main thing would be the way Bingle's pushing the card claiming. It's not a great strategy; it's a huge waste of space, time, and effort; and it gives him a way to look busy without actually doing much. His primary scumread is on me because Bingle subscribes to the theory that anyone who thinks Bingle's ideas with regards to the cards is wrong is scum trying to keep town from abusing it when in reality, it's not really abusable at all, and most of the effects directly benefit scum anyway.

[Ircher]

VOTE: boring

[Ircher]

Dodging? Seems more like they're still trying to come to grips with the game.

[Ircher]

Just saying --- lynch ain {Bingle, boring, Titus} when I flip. Bound to be at least one scum in those three.

[Ircher]

also i'm a town 1shot friendly neighbourizer who targeted Ircher on N1

we share a PT in which I am mod-confirmed town to ircher

This is indeed the case.

[Ircher]

He never once tried to figure me out either but i recall he said he had thought I was scum at some point day 2.

I'm pretty sure I made it clear throughout Day 2 that I was townreading you. Thus, it wasn't really necessary to waste effort sorting you.

Yes, it's true I didn't do much in our thread mainly because while I townread you, it wasn't to the level where I fselt sharing stuff with you in secret outweighed sharing it in-thread. I also don't have any really confidential knowledge.

I've shared a bit more with Iconeum becausevhe's confirmed town to me. I still wouldn't call it a lot, but it's marginally better than what I did in the lovers PT.
----
Considering our PT closed at day's end, Titus's claim seems fake unless the moderator made an error.

[Ircher]

I don't think so. Even if they are, I think Two Girls is a much better vote; we can always save farside for tomorrow.

Can you tell me why you said this to TSE?

Also I found your reason to attack 2girl pretty baaaaaaddddd.

I was trying to get TSE to compromise. Notice the first part: "I don't think so," was in response to "farside22 is scum." Then the second part begins, "Even if..." which is a conditional statement. It doesn't mean I scumread you then.

[Ircher]

Because he hasn't given a lot to engage with....?

Communication is a two-way street you know.

[Ircher]

Also, I can see why TrueSoulEnergy is not impressed with your slot. The way you're angling and slanting things isn't good; it's very confrontational. There's also the fact that you are wanting to lynch Battle Mage despite TSE's claim, and you haven't really expressed too much as to why you scumread both of them.

[Ircher]

Reasons for TrueSoul town:

1) Most importantly, his claim. Why does scum!TrueSoul decide to fakeclaim a role with a guaranteed inno on another slot? Sure, it'd be read as a "townie" claim and by itself, it gives him a few days, but there are other fake claims that could work equally as well if not better.

2) He claims his inno on Battle Mage, a slot that appears to have a post-restriction and has not done much this game. Why doesn't scum!TrueSoul claim it on a "townier" slot?

3) This claim hardly seems made up as he was softing early, and he has stuck to it for pretty much the entire game.

4) His willingness to be lynched over Battle Mage to prove his claim does not seem something scum does. Sure, TrueSoul hasn't been in any real danger of being lynched (nor has Battle Mage), but scum have a motive to survive. With TrueSoul being so insistent, it reads as someone not caring too much if they survive.

[Ircher]

Final Reads Take Two

:
{Ircher, Iconeum}
{Battle Mage, Chemist1422}
{TrueSoulEnergy}
{hellbooks, farside22}
{Pigman} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Doctor Drew}
{ManateeDude, Chateau Lobby}
{Bingle, Titus}
{boring}

3rd Party: {Quick}

When I flip, town better not lynch any of my townreads, especially the top three tiers. I am 99.9% confident all of my townreads are truly town. I also highly encourage lynching boring as their day 3 posts are awful, especially the post where they detail why they scum read me.

[Ircher]

Bingle, if you're gonna hammer, go ahead and do it. Waiting for Battle Mage to reply to you will be a waste of time as everyone else has said their piece. I'm obviously not changing your opinion or the rest of the wagon, and Battle Mage's response will make no difference as well. Dawdling gives scum more time to confuse this already confused town.

[Ircher]

Battle Mage is surely referring to the same discrepancy that farside22 and I already noted. We've been over it already.

[Ircher]

I got jipped. The PT closed after the day ended.

Not a mistake. After the day ended, you weren't lovers anymore. You only have the PT for as long as you're lovers. The night talk portion is probably if some crazy role makes me a day actor.

See this.

[Ircher]

BM is posting elsewhere and not here. Just sayin'.

I'm sure that's due to the posting restriction. Let's see you post frequently here with that post restriction.

[Ircher]

Chemist targeted Doctor Drew night 2.

[Ircher]

I think any roleblockers that exist are town considering no kill night 1. Blocking Titus night 2 also seems very reasonable for a town roleblocker (though blocking Quick/Star might be better).

[Ircher]

I haven't true claimed because it would help me zero. If anything, you'll believe I'm fakeclaiming again. It's not like you need more reasons to erroneously scumread me.

[Ircher]

Whoever used their ability on me is a big dum dum if they really thought I would use it.

Whoever used their ability on me is a big dum dum if they really thought I would use it.

Just wanted to confirm my claim

This is enough confirmation combined with knowledge of what Chemist claimed (which while not directly claimed is obvious enough from the info he gave).

[Ircher]

I'm gonna note that Bingle seems oftly keen on extending the day despite having made up his mind a long long time ago. Take that as you will.

[Ircher]

[TSE n1 and Drew n2 are both people Chem picked.]

Summation of where we're at:

Ircher is questionably loverized with a 3p result we can't lynch directly based on farside's claim. Ico and BM have inno results from Ircher and TSE respectively. Ircher outright refuses to claim or back up his play.

We know the role Mafia Card Dealer is in the game. There may be a confirmed scum roleblocker. Either there is a role that ends the game when Quick is lynched, there is a scum role that prevented quick from being lynched, or farside is scum fakeclaiming a role that prevents the game from being ended in the first day phase. Potentially more than one of the three, but not likely.

BM claims that Titus scumclaimed with her claim, but I don't see how. If we lynch a player with a blue playing card we immediately get another 48 hour dayphase, so we might be able to double lynch here.

[thank u very much! im gonna read through in full later tonight prolly]

A word of warning: Bingle's "summary" presents a very biased and subjective view. While I will not be providinh an alternate summary, you should not immediately take everything he says there at face value and as being immediately true. Doing your own research is advised.

[Ircher]

Keep throwing your shade though, you're just going to keep making me look better when you flip.

And if I flip town....?