A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Gentleman 9]

I think it would be hasty to call anyone strongly already, but I would agree that Lady 7 is townpings

I think that if she’s scum then she’s mechanically hurting herself for a lot of towncred compensation, which is possible but it probably wouldn’t be my first step and I don’t think it would for that many other players if they rolled VWW either

[Gentleman 9]

whats up with all the spec talk its like peak wifom

[Gentleman 9]

is this where i ask you to dance

[Gentleman 9]

everyone was buying into it

hmmmmm

[Gentleman 9]

i agree with you seal

[Gentleman 9]

is this where i ask you to dance

oh, good sir! (ノ*゜▽゜*)

oh hold on

[Gentleman 9]

(´• ‸ •`✿)

ask lady 3 to dance

[Gentleman 9]

is there anything that says mafia cant be all 3 ladies/gents?

[Gentleman 9]

man being left on read hurts as much under the mask as irl l

[Gentleman 9]

butt off 7

in situations like lylo talking about mafia action spec has reasoning because it leads to some degree of equilibrium. in this asking about who to dance this is pure speculation -- it also reads weird

pedit: OTP ship incoming (✿◕‿◕)

[Gentleman 9]

is this where is coast for 8 days until the first dance?

[Gentleman 9]

the wide range of things to analyze is bad it gives scum direction to play

[Gentleman 9]

thank you soccer man

[Gentleman 9]

f i was gonna say what mech talk have you done but post 11 is actually half way decent plan

but its not very fun

[Gentleman 9]

7 your reads is not consistent tho since im not dodging the rest of the game just the setup spec?

[Gentleman 9]

Gent 9, so your intention is to deny scum information by getting paired off early and not commenting on things? You're probably going to need to elaborate a bit.

its not i was jokin

[Gentleman 9]

ﾟ･:*｡(ꈍᴗꈍ)ε｀*)~｡*:･ﾟ

[Gentleman 9]

I guess I don’t really see why it matters that much who I’m paired with? Like VWW are going to try to get paired with town anyway, and if my partner happens to be VWW then oh well, it was going to happen to someone? Also I think it would be easier to determine alignments in the PT if he is VWW

it's better to hold off because if we can pair strong consensus town with each other we have a greater chance of winning the game

if we pair off randomly to start and then oh it turns out all our strong town reads are paired with super scummy people

that's kind of an OOPS

this is communism and i will not allow it

[Gentleman 9]

I guess I don’t really see why it matters that much who I’m paired with? Like VWW are going to try to get paired with town anyway, and if my partner happens to be VWW then oh well, it was going to happen to someone? Also I think it would be easier to determine alignments in the PT if he is VWW

it's better to hold off because if we can pair strong consensus town with each other we have a greater chance of winning the game

if we pair off randomly to start and then oh it turns out all our strong town reads are paired with super scummy people

that's kind of an OOPS

Oh. Oops?

are you divorcing me (இ ˆ இ✿)

[Gentleman 9]

for real though I have some people saying that optimal play is town should be paired with town and some people saying optimal play is scum should be paired with town and thats getting me confused.

[Gentleman 9]

who is the fellow in g4's picture?

[Gentleman 9]

i would like to dance with you l1 but my heart is taken even though she oops'd me

[Gentleman 9]

im not convinced l6 is town even though she's making good posts

[Gentleman 9]

sealgirl i think you should respond to tennisbro's flowers otherwise its rude

[Gentleman 9]

Hmm. Perhaps. She does make good posts though.

spooky skeletons 8 why do you doubt l6

[Gentleman 9]

sans you got some action going on

[Gentleman 9]

that reads to me that you are scum reading l8

[Gentleman 9]

I think it was lady 1 I agreed with on the point I dont want Lady 6 with someone I also think is strong and hard to read

why not, isn't it good to let strong players to figure each other out?

[Gentleman 9]

Ok. There are eight ladies, so you will get a dance 99.99% of the time.

is this how math works

[Gentleman 9]

I only “oops”ed because I didn’t realize early pairings were bad. don’t hate me

gonna leave your ass at the dance floor as soon as dance 1 hits
(jk)

[Gentleman 9]

i agree with sealgirl on the front that more gents need in here before more pairs (other than OTP) can be made

[Gentleman 9]

How do we determine who is and isn't a strong player in a game full of secret alts?

i am faker irl

[Gentleman 9]

Human, nymph, dryad, dwarf, elf, wizard, druid, priest, sorcerer, bard, white knight. Make your pick.

this is a bad post

[Gentleman 9]

Why? I think scum are more likely to lolpropose and accept, given they just don't want to die.

if that is wifom so is this... since this is always two sided.

[Gentleman 9]

anyhow, i dont particularly like that sans.g1 is throwing indirect shade at me despite the pairing has already made.

[Gentleman 9]

@ tennisguy.g6 fmpov it certainty feels like it. This is a bait question,

L3.Misty, did you have any sort of read on your dance partner before accepting his proposal?

because obviously the answer is no, or if anything a super weak town read given that it has been like 4 pages into the game and that the proposal was accepted.

Why? I think scum are more likely to lolpropose and accept, given they just don't want to die.

Any response allows sans.g1 to say what he wanted all along, which is hey, I think pegasus.g9 is scummy -- without being direct and in my face about it, while sowing doubt throughout the rest of the predance phase.

[Gentleman 9]

i have light town reads on the other guys that have posted.

[Gentleman 9]

Creepy Lady 8 deserves someone better than caveman gent 5

[Gentleman 9]

Tennis man and scarf boy so far. I don't think your reasoning for proposal makes a lot of sense, and it's seems youre backtracking after blue lady 7 called you out a bit

[Gentleman 9]

If you are genuinely a good gentoolman who wants to sort your partners while in the PT as you say, creepy lady 8 does not seem like a good choice at all, since you admit you town read her, and so does most other players. Her posting style to me seems straightforward, and your phrasing "is a capacity for her to be fooling us in there" is strange.

In particular, there are more interesting enigmatic ladies on the table to potentially sort, such as blue hair lady 7 or seal lady 6 that I would feel the phrase there fits more

[Gentleman 9]

if so then why are you proposing less than a day into the game rather than a bit more until your reads solidify?

[Gentleman 9]

^ was in response to

Note that while I want to sort someone, I prefer it to be someone who is null to null town, not somebody that I am already scumreading, or null scumreading

[Gentleman 9]

im not buying the connect, and i want to see if others agree.

if you have a big ego and you think you could scumhunt through PT you would ask someone not L8 to dance.

if you truly cared about pairing with someone would get along with, then you would have waited to see others post for longer.

i think the time argument is weak, since proposal time != acceptance time

[Gentleman 9]

whats up with all the spec talk its like peak wifom

idk I usually just ignore the setup tbh

is this where i ask you to dance

its very clear our thoughts aligned we looked at each others in the eyes (through the mask) and fell in love.

[Gentleman 9]

I proposed to L7.Blue because she was the towniest and she feels like a partner I can solve with

blue lady 7 literally said that she's not gonna solve with anyone in the PT, sans

[Gentleman 9]

I'm in mourning

[Gentleman 9]

FTR ladies (eg 5 and 1) you gotta be more choosy. You have all the bargaining power here.

[Gentleman 9]

I don't understand how lady 5 earth is too masculine

[Gentleman 9]

I think it's productive to discuss which of the gentlemen we want to leave behind at this point. I liked Sherlock 3s entrance and I've been town reading teenisg4. Gorilla boy g7 is my least town gentleman read at the moment.

[Gentleman 9]

I like a Lady 5/Gent 8 pair more and more if they are both amenable to that

it's entirely up to gent 8 in the end though

I was thinking the same thing

[Gentleman 9]

Why not g3

[Gentleman 9]

If you scum read both players in a pair then you should like the pairing

[Gentleman 9]

Seal lady 6, did you not want to accept gorilla boy g7 invitation because you thought he was scummy and needs to leave this predance? Or did you not like the way he proposed to you flippantly

[Gentleman 9]

Because you said you wouldn't get along with him well. While we are at it, Skyrim g5, why did you think that getting along with ghostly lady 8 was important? Again, is it purely for selfish reasons?

[Gentleman 9]

I ask Lady 8 to the dance

My reasoning is as follows:

-Having a sample of Lady 8's postings, I believe I'll be able to get a good read on her alignment if we are in a pt together. So far I like them in a nai way but believe that it is possible for them to be mafia.
-To that extent, I disagree with post 312 from Lady 7. I'm not townreading Lady 6 specifically right now. Lady 8 I feel hasn't revealed enough of her heart to be able to tell. I don't know how I feel about Lady 7 as a result of this.
-I intend to put in work this game.

I am trying to decide if he wants to pair up with the towniest person in the game because he thinks he needs "a bit more"
Or if he is trying to look town while snagging the towniest person in the game.

My initial reaction would be the latter but the rest of his posts are alright so I am unsure right now.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't townread lady 8 to a certain extent; I just think there is a capacity for her to be fooling us in there, moreso than what I feel coming from you, if that makes sense to you.

This is also my personal preference; the avatar interested me and then the posting seems like someone I could get along with

See end of the post

[Gentleman 9]

if so then why are you proposing less than a day into the game rather than a bit more until your reads solidify?

Selfish reasons mostly, as the game goes on I'm less likely to be a part of a pairing I'll enjoy

Here's you saying it's for selfish reasons

[Gentleman 9]

It's nothing wrong with it, I'm just trying to explore, is there any other reason town wants to pair up with a pair that they get along with other than for the pure sake of enjoyment. I can see scum doing it for a variety, namely pocketing, reasons, but I can't think of any for town

[Gentleman 9]

be a good partner to sort with in a PT

I feel very conflicted here, because from my mindset after rereading Skyrim g5 posts, it is that you want to dance with a good partner to SORT rather than SORT WITH.

[Gentleman 9]

I guess I just don't feel very convinced that out of everyone, you particular, as town player would discount your neighbor directly to masonry

[Gentleman 9]

Fuck I need to go back and reread G3. I'm not very good with wall reading carefully tho

[Gentleman 9]

Prince G8, what's your thoughts on her suggestion (and which I echoed) of a pairing with Ms worldwide 5?

[Gentleman 9]

Looping back, I don't like that long post man G3 said he didn't like any of the pairings

[Gentleman 9]

It doesn't make sense based on the particular circumstance of G5 pairing with L8

[Gentleman 9]

Ive come up with what might be an angle shooting scum motivation for L5worldwide town as your dance partner. I see her right now as sort of the wild card to scum, and pairing you with her could hedge the risk, in that if she is scummy, you will walk out of your own party, while if she is supertown, they can get a two for one nk.

[Gentleman 9]

You know what I mean, when the uncertainty resolves L5worldwide type at dance 1, in which she says she might try then

[Gentleman 9]

G5 Skyrim man you haven't answered me, other than selfish motives, is there a benefit to partnering with someone you get along

[Gentleman 9]

Can someone remind me who started spreading paranoia on L8ghost scum

[Gentleman 9]

Me too I agree with you that there is no mechanical benefit. That's why I'm not really buying seal lady 6s reasoning on long post g3

[Gentleman 9]

I want my old partner back

[Gentleman 9]

If there is a scum scum pairing I highly suspect it is G3 and L6

[Gentleman 9]

I'm talking about the second wave yeah

[Gentleman 9]

Nah you explicitly said you townread L8

[Gentleman 9]

@ghostly lady 8, I don't see any indications of them being scummy together, and I suspect lady 2 Rosa is mostly scum read due to play style

[Gentleman 9]

Oh before I forget, I want to state that my (ex) partner I think towntold very early and I would be hard pressed to leave the dance anytime

[Gentleman 9]

is this ate

[Gentleman 9]

im on the same boat with my partner

[Gentleman 9]

Two gentlemen go twirling about
gorilla boy and chad boy scout
Neither wants salad girl's heart
But preferring to die aint too smart
Hope she chooses bestial route.

[Gentleman 9]

can we just write poems from now onwards? its much more pleasant than reading walls

[Gentleman 9]

i met a lovely girl on page three
with a cute blouse and a spirit free
She took off her mask at a bad time
Was dragged away as if she did a crime
Now my new date nags and denounces me

[Gentleman 9]

g9.bananas do you townread this slot based on the first four pages or how lilith acted after accepting?

Have I shaken your read of the slot as it has for.. I think only one somebody thought I'm a downgrade.

i dont think you're a downgrade? nor have my reads shaken in anyway (if anything strengthened imo)

based on how l3misty acted after accepting

[Gentleman 9]

man you boys rather die than take salad girl's hand

[Gentleman 9]

I like the pairs in this order

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2
Gentleman 6 - Lady 1

Gentleman 3 - Lady 6* typo in fgs title post
Gentleman 1 - Lady 7

[Gentleman 9]

Even if my partner thinks I'm just meh

[Gentleman 9]

When 2-4 pairs up, it goes under 6-1. Although judging from everyone's nonchalance of which of 2 or 7 is paired with L4, I suspect both of them will be green

[Gentleman 9]

i was just reading on that too. so g3 sherlock you think they are independently scummy

[Gentleman 9]

I think there's scum in either your pair or L1'/G6 pair

[Gentleman 9]

I dont think g6 is scum though, but i sus l1.

g6's lack of mention of g7 could purely just because low post count + replacement

[Gentleman 9]

maybe probably its just as obvious as l1 cry

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: L1-G6

[Gentleman 9]

town.

i don't particularly think that highly of l7's analysis.

[Gentleman 9]

i also didn't like l1's princess crown stuff it felt like she was trying way too hard to pair with the prince g8

[Gentleman 9]

well to start off you are wrong on me

[Gentleman 9]

Why would scum Cry Lady 1 want to get with the prince?

safest partner + this prince reads very kind and doesn't feel like would leave his own ball

[Gentleman 9]

if it is a busser its u

[Gentleman 9]

I am not sure why his read on me adjusted from "hardest scum pair" to "This analysis is garbage" which to me feels like he is insinuating I am town?

i scumread g1 more than you. i merely responded to your question of what i think of your case of l3, shrug

[Gentleman 9]

G9 where did this read go and why was it never brought up again?

how not

[Gentleman 9]

i reverse my read on shrlock g3 after realizing that a bunch of his stuff is wall fluff, and i talk about gorilla 7, in terms of I don't think he's town, but I think he's more town than 2.

[Gentleman 9]

you cant selectively quote me because i don't lay out my thoughts in a single post

[Gentleman 9]

I think tacking that onto a real argument would be fair, but that's not what you did.

i mean your argument was that L3 advanced G7 should be picked, but I echoed the same thoughts and I know I'm town.

the only difference is that you thought L3 was trying to influence your opinion

but news flash the game doesn't revolve around you

[Gentleman 9]

this "progression" is also 400 posts apart

[Gentleman 9]

this "progression" is also 400 posts apart

Again, you had no reason to change the read.
I scouted your entire ISO, those 3 posts are your only mentions of the flipped wolf player.

And your read on him lines up with exactly how I expect wolves to treat their partner.


But you are just talking around me saying I am misrepresenting you.
It's actually crazy.

Sorry I appologise because apparently wolf player didn't post that much therefore I don't talk abt him that much

and give evidence on when gorilla was ever trying, in fact, I suggested a pair up with G2 precisely because he isn't trying and that might be just a phrase, which is what I think you said as well.

[Gentleman 9]

I literally just did a quick ISO of someone random, G5, and he in total has also 3/4 posts on G7, so you are gonna go call him scum too

[Gentleman 9]

thank you for your informative response

[Gentleman 9]

i plan to hash out domestic disputes in house

[Gentleman 9]

With the exception of some poems

i thought the poems were some of your better posts

[Gentleman 9]

Gents 6 and 8 still must be paired up, so it leaves Gents 2, 3, 4 and 7. We need three brave ladies.

Why does Gentleman 6 have to be paired? Actually, at the moment I think he may be the best Gentleman to leave out.

In any case, I don't think a Lady voluntarily choosing to not pair in order to get more flips is a good idea. Personally, as a group I suspect people who are already paired more than people who aren't, and anyone who would agree to that plan is already more likely to be town than not.

Funnily enough, I just realized that I don't like any of the pairs we have so far.

Do you mind if I ask which side of each pair is the unlikable bit? Or is it something inherent to the union itself?

Why not g3

I don't like either one of Gentleman 9 or Lady 3. Neither are overtly all that scummy and I suspect that G9 proposed to L3 more out of recognition than game reasons, but I still don't like either. Sans is the weak point for me in his pairing. I think that earlier I said that I townread him, but I think over time I started to realize that that was more a function of him simply posting a lot and having decent commentary. I don't think he's done anything truly town-indicative. And finally my thoughts on Ghost (L8) I've talked about already. As I'm trying to make clear, these reads aren't strong by any means.

So as for if it's the people or the bond, in the G9-L3 case it is because of both of them, so I suppose the pair itself is fine as I have a similar read on the members. For the other two pairs, however, I would've preferred if L7 and G5 could've been paired with different people.

so like, I feel like your posts focus on "describing what's going on" rather than "actively responding to what's going on" in fact, going back to the ISO, I find that you have 1 set of clear opnion here, which is you don't like any of the pairing, which I opposed to since you were scumreading my pair and you agreed

but furthermore concentrating on L8-G5 pair, note explicitly the context was that G5 chose L8 because he thinks he can read L8 well. Based on your reads on L8, you should like that pairing rather than dislike. This makes me think that even when you are "describing what's going on", you're not actively interpreting

[Gentleman 9]

Ankamius

RIP

[Gentleman 9]

Basically every single sentence in the post that you quoted is me giving my own opinion. I'm finding it difficult to match that with the idea that I was "describing what's going on".

Why should I like that pairing rather than dislike it? It was a pairing of someone who I townread and someone that I scumread. I would agree with you if they were both people that I scumread, but they aren't. What is it about my Lady 8 read that means that I should like that pairing?

hmm I didn't explain clearly I guess.

I quoted the post because I find it to be one of the few posts where you actively form an opinion.

Then I argue that your opinion doesn't match up with the facts.

In particular, you weakly scumread L8. But G5 specifically said that he thinks he can sort L8. Therefore based on that context, there is no reason not to like that pairing.

[Gentleman 9]

As town what's a reason you wouldn't like a pairing? That one is town and the other is scum, and that the town townreads the scumpair and doesn't leave in endgame. This is not such a scenario.

[Gentleman 9]

Personally, when someone asks me to substantiate an accusation about their posts (a lack of content), I don't give as an example a post that specifically doesn't match up with the accusation. That's just me, though.

Personally, when someone asks me to substantiate an accusation about their posts (a lack of content), I give example of the only post that may be construed as containing content, and show that its largely invalid and matches up with the accusation. That's just me, though.

[Gentleman 9]

Let’s not talk about alyssa because honestly I’m still not okay

hope u become ok

[Gentleman 9]

Hey guy with the ugly long hair you wanna talk more about why I the most towny lady here am a wolf? If you would like to apologize I will show mercy before I judo flip you

i apologise you townie town lady

[Gentleman 9]

Once you have reached a simple majority (half of all living players plus one) that person will be executed.

I wish the couple that is voted out is not executed and simply asked to leave.

[Gentleman 9]

Gentleman 5's claim that he believes he can sort Lady 8 has no bearing on me. Even knowing people's identities, I have no reason to trust his read over mine or to trust that he will eventually come to agree with me.

It seems quite reasonable to me to say that just in general someone you consider being town paired with someone you consider to be scum would be a reason to dislike a pairing, no? Regardless of their read on each other, it is an unfortunate situation where their death would result in the loss of one of your townreads.

i disagree with this 100 percent.

[Gentleman 9]

G5 is the 3 points you raised on page 83 the points you have against me? Because i think they are very invalid

[Gentleman 9]

His insistence that G3 is scummy for being unhappy that his town reads weren't pairing with his town reads is... a logical argument I do not follow. I also didn't really think his attack on Gentleman 5 earlier in the game was very believable. Like I don't think it takes a lot of legwork to understand why G5 might've thought L8 was someone he could A. sort well, B. get along with, C. have some doubts about, and D. value that criteria enough to make a proposal when he did

This game is not standard mafia in which pairing matters a whole ton compared. Understanding why 5 would want to pair with 8 is critical. And I think G3 is a good player to understand the nuance of town scum matches are not necessarily bad, but he's lumping them all trivially in the same bucket

[Gentleman 9]

The fact that you are just blanketing over seems incredibly disengenuous.
VOTE: L6-g3

[Gentleman 9]

Because I missed it.
I thought your response to why pairing with lady 8 is reasonable, but I don't particularly town read you in any sense. I also think your attack on me is in bad faith

[Gentleman 9]

And I didn't like that you essentially cleared lady 8 via PT less than a day after it opened

[Gentleman 9]

yeah, yesterday i had warmed up to you, but today I don't feel so from the two points i discussed.

I mean for all your saying you are excited to sort ghosty 8, isn't 1 day of PT access that you reached the conclusion she is town premature?

[Gentleman 9]

I like the pairs in this order

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2
Gentleman 6 - Lady 1

Gentleman 3 - Lady 6* typo in fgs title post
Gentleman 1 - Lady 7

He doesn't have gent 2, gent 7, or lady 4 listed here

This question is in response to G8's "who's your favorite /least favorite pairing", and the three people you mentioned haven't been paired yet. I'm pretty sure I answered the hypothetical of what happens when lady 4 pairs up afterwards as well.

this "progression" is also 400 posts apart

Again, you had no reason to change the read.
I scouted your entire ISO, those 3 posts are your only mentions of the flipped wolf player.

And your read on him lines up with exactly how I expect wolves to treat their partner.


But you are just talking around me saying I am misrepresenting you.
It's actually crazy.

Sorry I appologise because apparently wolf player didn't post that much therefore I don't talk abt him that much

and give evidence on when gorilla was ever trying, in fact, I suggested a pair up with G2 precisely because he isn't trying and that might be just a phrase, which is what I think you said as well.

I'm scumreading this

Saying he didn't post much so you didn't respond much seems like an excuse

In reality you're just not responding to certain things

What things am I not responding to? I have just as many mentions of G7 as you do. In the early game, gorilla boy was never featured prominently, thus no one was commenting on him, and when there were discussion featuring who should pair with L4, I mentioned 2 or 3 times that I prefer 7, but I don't particularly trust him.

If you think I'm not responding to "certain things", point out clearly then what they are.

Of those, I like gent 9's response the least. It was a soft reaction and came after Lady 7's very hard "I want him to die for that"

It's what I felt. I thought G7 should be paired with L4, and I don't have L7's stance that I want him to die?

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: L3-G9

do you want to discuss this

[Gentleman 9]

^ like I'm fairly certain i know you, and I don't think it's very surprisingly at all that you are scum-reading me. But I also think that you're the person I can convince idk

[Gentleman 9]

wanting a partner that you can work well with is much more important for scum players than town players, that's why I thought you insistence on it is scum indicative

[Gentleman 9]

And I think G3 is a good player to understand the nuance of town scum matches are not necessarily bad, but he's lumping them all trivially in the same bucket

I-yes

I don't think he's ever denied that

*obviously* they are not *necessarily* bad

but in a game where your early priority is to town block and in fact finding a few T-T pairs is a win condition all on its own, it is not optimal from your POV for one of your town reads to pair with not a town read. It also makes getting rid of that pair harder / less optimal if that scum read persists because one half of the pair is a town read

like why are you being so obtuse about this

Huh, I guess that makes sense, but my thoughts on this game is that the early priority is to identify potential scum and figure out whether they have a partner that can identify said scum and leave accordingly, since the majority of elimination comes from leaving dances rather than voting

[Gentleman 9]

I guess that's why I am so uncomfortable with you and g3's pairing, and to a lesser degree l7

[Gentleman 9]

But you hard town read L3.Misty for what reason?

a big part of my town read actually stems from how she (post replacement) is scumreading me. That's why this pair is doomed to fail cause as soon as she even turns to mildly townreading me I'll start to get sus.

[Gentleman 9]

and I townread L3 pre-replacement preceisely because how she accepted without caring. I didn't give any sense of validation during proposal -- it was very much of a spur of the moment inspiration

[Gentleman 9]

I pressed boromir on this heavily in the pre-dance phase, and I was satisfied that his reasoning to pair with L8 was only for selfish reasons, which I found honest and believable.

[Gentleman 9]

Gentleman 9, why are you voting my pair over L1.Cry now?

In my opinion, there's a heathly amount of suspicion among all pairs (except G5 L8's fairytale) - yours is the only one that has the biggest threat to endgaming as scum

[Gentleman 9]

yes absolutely.

[Gentleman 9]

I believe Lady 1 is best sorted by me in our lewd handholding dungeon, and am willing to commit to yeeting myself and her if I don't like the kinks.

Maybe I'm playing too one-dimensionally, but I think "I want to sort my partner" seems like a town mentality where as "I want to work with my partner" seems like a scum mentality.

in contrast with you l7, I thought scarf g6 predecessor was pretty town as well.

[Gentleman 9]

^ i will respond to this, but " But G9 is a pretty important read for me right now." why is this true - does your read on me correlate to your read on others/state of the game?

[Gentleman 9]

so i realized

[Gentleman 9]

i misunderstood the setup in that I thought each dance has exactly 1 vote phase... so there could be in total 2 executions at most :S

[Gentleman 9]

so i put a lot of emphasis on leaving as the key mechanism to get mafia...

[Gentleman 9]

its understandable though? all the previous games, most of the players are shown to have "left in the X dance", which made me I guess have the prior that most pairs "leave" by the partners leaving, rather than "executed" by the mob voting.

idk

[Gentleman 9]

hi everyone I had some stuff today but am here.

[Gentleman 9]

But he is pushing this pairing thing which feels to some level inconsistent but he is explaining it in a way where I wouldn't be that suprised if he believed what he was saying even if I think it's wrong.

But he was also the fastest pair in the game while making this argument. Idk I feel a level of inconsistency throughout his posts that I just don't like. He was also playing rather tactically around the 1 flipped scum although that could have been a mistake I guess.

the key thing you repeatedly mention here is inconsistency? Can you elaborate why its inconsistent/which parts.

I also think I addressed the playing "tactically" around G7, but Idk why you are unhappy with it.

[Gentleman 9]

I'm just gonna sit on the only pair I feel some amount of confidence in even if no one will join me
VOTE: Gent 3/Lady 6
pedit: Okay

I actually would vote on this but I feel stronger elsewhere

If a G9/L3 wagon revs up I'll be all over that too

This seems like an inconsistent set of reads? People seem to be for one or the other, so where do you stand and why are you for both? Do you think the two pairs are independently scummy?

[Gentleman 9]

G8-L5
G1-L7
G5-L8
G6-L1
G3-L6
G9-L3
G4-L2

Like this probably? I'm not really TRing L5 but I don't want to deal with the IC pair rn
My middle is very close together

This readlist is kinda shady... in that the top town read is not a town read, "middle is together" and by previous she's willing to vote G3-L3 downwards. There's really no gradient to the reads .

[Gentleman 9]

I keep a close watch over my man, do not worry!! We actively discuss whatever he's probing in the thread and come to conclusions together! He also makes comments on things that coincide with my first thoughts on them, as well

Gent 1 and 6 are slots we're very curious about as well, in addition to Gent 4

I agree that philosophy wise I agree with a lot of Gent 9's arguments... but he's taking that disagreement with people a step further kind of in determining their alignments. I think Gent 3 is town and there's a fairly good chance there's scum on the other side attacking him, but I don't think it's Lady 1-- my first guess would be Gent 9. Agree Lady 3 is town

hi two comments

1 - Is this your way of saying that you suspect the three gentlemen? Or that you have discussed them

2 - did you misunderstand the setup as well until I pointed out/at any point? I don't see why you would agree with my arguments otherwise. This is not consistent with L6 and L7 and L3 in which they forcefully pointed out that they don't agree with me at all. And if you agree with my arguments then why do you gradually scumread me more and more as the day went on?

[Gentleman 9]

I think that scum wouldn't want to be partnered together

verifiably incorrect assumption, by the way

(it entirely depends on the players though)

this is the post in which I read the rules btw. i was trying to see older games, and figured i wanted to see whether the world "lynch" was used.

[Gentleman 9]

No way you're voting Lady 6 with a straight face! Not to mention I don't even understand the reason!

Blanketing over I mean like turn a blind eye towards and making generalizations when it doesn't apply to a specific case. I don't understand why voting her is strange

What's the basis on your town read on L6?

[Gentleman 9]

bananas can you please be productive and help me make it happen rather than voting my hardtown.

i might just do this, I think

[Gentleman 9]

I'm following along with people who are saying that gent 9 is more likely to be town now

By following along do you mean agreeing?

I don't get why we are townreading G9 for assuming that there is only one vote out per dance. It seems consistent with his earlier philosophy that mafia want to pair with people that they can work well with, but I don't find it town indicative and it's more like it explains his earlier pushes. Still need to re-evaluate his slot as a whole, but that's what I'm thinking.

Tennisguy I feel like you have been flipping back and forth on me? On one hand I recall you were quick to defend me when G5 posted some inaccuracies and you called me town a couple of times, but now you say I need to be "re-evaluated". What's your stance and progression on my slot?

Uh no I took issue with the way he questioned G5 and G3 back in the pre-dance as well. I also never quite reconciled his ask of Misty with the rest of his actions.

Again, my ask of Misty was literally a spur of the moment decision. I haven't seriously thought about the game mechanics at all, but I figure asking is fun since our post collided with the same opinion. It was on page 4/5 after all.

[Gentleman 9]

Idk if scum!dewgong tries to sell a townslip on a scum!g9 at this point in the game, it's a bus and play solo gamestate for her atm I think

hb consider the hypothetical that I'm town.

I can't really make that call until I get better context, but that's probably how I'm leaning based on the general reaction to it

The general reaction is that it made an impact (in fact so big that at L6 seal did a 180), so I'm not sure how L7's "just ignore it" should be leaned upon.

G9.bananas who is somewhat of a burner slot given my agency over it

wow thats so rude.

Why would scum go out of their way to correct that?
Unless you think that's something they would have brought up in the scum PT, which I just disagree with you on.
I just don't see scum playeres correcting scum buddies who make mistakes in thread inside their PTs, unless the mistake hurts the team overall.

The argument is whether the beliefs clear out the inconsistencies and sense in the argument, rather than whether the belief is alignment indicative.

i just want someone to be scummy so I can have at least one scumread

someone smart once told me not having scumreads is a scum problem. But given that we have a 14 town and 2 scum, I forgive you.

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: salad

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: L4 - G2

[Gentleman 9]

If I had a readlist that has everyone at null is that shady?

[Gentleman 9]

I'm glad we both edit out the awful two white lines at the bottom of Lady 3's profile picture

G5 what reads do you feel like talking about or are you just in meme post mode? Do carry on regardless

Final four pairings:
G5-L8
G1-L7
G6-L1
G9-L3

wheres the prince in this

[Gentleman 9]

[snip]
eh I'm just looking to see why others TR G9 because I don't see it at all.
[snip]
ok what's your point? I only made that because I was asked. everyone isn't at null, just it's hard to rank pairs because some of the people I TR or SR and others I don't. and I can't really weigh it out.

but you also said that "your scum reads are all located in the same pairs, I recall?

I think L3 is pushing us just to get me off her back

I don't particularly think L3 is concerned about your push on her at all.

If "coasting" were guy the 3rds only crime, then we'd just as easily string up a few other slots such as lady the 2nd, as was noted.

But I feel it's more than that. Hopefully a re-read focusing on his slot in particular will prove to either calm or focus my fears.

I agree with both these

I am going to post this so people can feel disappointed in me =)

i just dont understand why its a triangle.

[Gentleman 9]

i also don't think g1 is very town, and his catchup on 107 does nothing to assuage these worries.

[Gentleman 9]

the key thing you repeatedly mention here is inconsistency? Can you elaborate why its inconsistent/which parts.

I also think I addressed the playing "tactically" around G7, but Idk why you are unhappy with it.

The inconsistency I feel is how you opened the game vs how you are currently pushing people as scum.
.

I want to quickly address this again. I discussed (a couple of times) that my proposal to L3 was entirely a spur of the moment "hi I entered the game decision", when I really haven't thought about the game. I don't think its fair to lump that together with my pushes.

[Gentleman 9]

G9 i thought you wanted to try and sell me on you being town?

I guess what I learned over the last 10 or so pages is that everyone (L5, L7, L8-- I guess none of the guys really) have a slightly different set of reasons for scumreading me. What's yours

[Gentleman 9]

I also think its just helpful to list all the reads in addition to list them by pairs. Otherwise it creates too much confusion, and might give scum wiggle room to deny reads. Here's mine

big town energy
L3, L1, L5, L6

town energy
L7, G4, L8 - G5, G2, G6

weak and low energy
G3, L4,

scum energy
L2, G1

I guess I put L8-G5 together because they've been singing the same tune, and I can't really distinguish my reads on them both so they move together

[Gentleman 9]

^ like I'm fairly certain i know you, and I don't think it's very surprisingly at all that you are scum-reading me. But I also think that you're the person I can convince idk

I say the above, but from what front you are scumreading me I'm not too sure. My guess is playstyle?

[Gentleman 9]

That's why this pair is doomed to fail cause as soon as she even turns to mildly townreading me I'll start to get sus.

to be clear, is this a serious thought?

yeah completely serious

[Gentleman 9]

like hopefully we will be able to vote out the two scumbutts before we rly need to consider endgame pairing... I guess I actually haven't even really thought about endgame pairing since its so far away and it doesn't even seem like a relevant point of discussion at this current stage?

[Gentleman 9]

I laughed at this^

[Gentleman 9]

do you think you are pocketed in your PT G4

[Gentleman 9]

G6 are you intentionally changing styling up so ctrl - fing your iso would be harder

[Gentleman 9]

your use of guy the second, for example, instead of G2

[Gentleman 9]

L8 did you go from I want to see L3-G9 as the endgame pair to G9 is the scummiest player on your readlist

[Gentleman 9]

Like you can call it omgus, but I guess I'm just more sensitive and cognizant on other people's reads on me and their progression, and yours is inconsistent imo

[Gentleman 9]

here's two posts

could i get an idea of 2 non-me pairs people want to see live until endgame btw?

even if you've recently stated it and even if it might change pending flips/first dance/etc, just looking for a rough idea of the consensus at the moment

maybe i needed larger rainbow text to draw more attention

hmm

this was a general question for everyone if it weren't apparent

I like Gent 9/Lady 3 >> Gent 6/Lady 1 as my favourite pairings besides my own. The ladies are carrying it more than the gents, though.

Pedit: I absolutely like my own pairing the most though! I am very enamoured with Gent 5 atm

I don't want to hard defend someone all game and end up being wrong when people are telling me not to do it. It isn't making me think he is scum but it's making me think I should just depend on another pair and leave at some point so I can feel guilt free regarding this games result.

Unfortunately, if everyone feels this way it's not much of a game, now is it?

Damn I really felt that Lady 7. It's like when you're in a XYLO scenario and you know where what the dead town would want you to vote, but your heart is elsewhere. But you don't want to upset them if you're wrong

Hi Lady 8!

Can you talk about your read on me please? Looking through your ISO you've hedged a lot on my slot and I'm curious if you have any significant thoughts about my slot / my pairing

Hi Seal Lady 6! Yup I'm in full uncertainty mode on you. I don't have much of a read on your more recent posting, im sorry I dont have much

I think your endgame pair picks (G9/L3 + G1/L7) are decent, although i think I like my own pairing and possibly L1/G6 for consideration as well, I don't quite have G9 and G1 as high as you I take it

[Gentleman 9]

listen to L8 on what? she doesn't have a case on me compared to L7/L3/whomever else

[Gentleman 9]

[Gentleman 9]

i find it hard to believe that you would place a pair as your "favorite pair" if you don't townread one of the two.

on the motivation front? It's a strategy to just OwO the way through this game with a smitten partner, while being nice and friendly and happy with everyone to make it to endgame. this involves only weakly scumreading people who are under heat at the moment, which is something that I feel like you are doing. Now another explanation is that you are easily swayed by the excellent opinions by the participants of this ball, but your reads and posts themselves seem more consensus driven than any other player in the lobby

[Gentleman 9]

listen to L8 on what? she doesn't have a case on me compared to L7/L3/whomever else

you didnt answer my question

[Gentleman 9]

the key thing you repeatedly mention here is inconsistency? Can you elaborate why its inconsistent/which parts.

I also think I addressed the playing "tactically" around G7, but Idk why you are unhappy with it.

The inconsistency I feel is how you opened the game vs how you are currently pushing people as scum.
.

I want to quickly address this again. I discussed (a couple of times) that my proposal to L3 was entirely a spur of the moment "hi I entered the game decision", when I really haven't thought about the game. I don't think its fair to lump that together with my pushes.

in that vein you didn't either L7

[Gentleman 9]

no i disagree, again, because i think scum has a much bigger skin in the game to find a trustworthy partner

but i feel like we are just running around in circles now.

[Gentleman 9]

I'm not verbose

[Gentleman 9]

I'm not townread either

[Gentleman 9]

I think Gent 1 is scum

I was a big proponent of this, but I went back to reread sans and sans was fairly town in retrospect?

[Gentleman 9]

Last Living Slot Owner Wills and Testaments

I am proposing that everyone take time, once every 24 hours or so, to post a last will and testiment of your thoughts to your dance partner PT.

You never know when an alt slip will occur, and data that you may not have laid down in the thread then vanishes from the game. And that's terrible.

I propose something like the following example:

example

This is the last will and testament of the second owner of Guy the 6th. I replaced in on post 674. This post is accurate as of post XYZ. My reads are {list here}. I have a theory that the scumteam is {X,Y,Z} and while I have not expressed it in the thread, I also think that {spicy hot take here} .

I will be taking some time to make one up in my own PT tonight.

Can you post a template for the scum PT too

[Gentleman 9]

WHAT

[Gentleman 9]

<- Mfw using evidence from page 4

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: l2-g4

[Gentleman 9]

for the record I would flip g3/L6 over G2/L4 but I know that won't happen. I just want bragging rights post game

Why? What's your ranking over scumminess of the 4 players independently

[Gentleman 9]

L4>>L6

That's a spicy take.

[Gentleman 9]

Where's the null line, L1?

[Gentleman 9]

but to place her two greater signs below is what I thought was spicy

[Gentleman 9]

I know the objective thing is to ask G2 and L4 to leave because it increases our lynches but I don't SR either.

I'm not sure that is correct and I encourage you to reread the rules.

[Gentleman 9]

unrelated, but I think G8's characterization that gorilla boy has a seal fetish and is just sitting in the corner writing seal erotica after being asked to leave is so funny to me. i crack up every time his name gets mentioned.

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: G2-L4
I relatively townread G4, but I independently scumread L4, and G2

[Gentleman 9]

what about we decide on G2-L4? L2 could still be just "warming up"

[Gentleman 9]

@L7 I don't find G2's flurry of posts to avoid lynch very townie at all in contrast to you

[Gentleman 9]

nice page BOTTOM there, fakegod

[Gentleman 9]

G8 princeman why aren't you voting

[Gentleman 9]

seal L6 did your reads update for G1

[Gentleman 9]

hmm I think some other players also think G2 is town but L4 is scum. But my opinion on G2 actually degraded

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: G5/L8
just do this one tbh

hmm, do you think G2 > G5 or than L4 > L8 in towniness

[Gentleman 9]

seal L6 did your reads update for G1

the only notable thing since my read on him is the whole scum slip on you thing

which as dumb as I think it was... probably is more town indicative? I didn't seem that fake to me

I flipped my read on G1 and I'm placing him between G5 and G4 rn. This really maps well with L7's big wall post in response to your case, which basically boils down to "yeah G1 sure is crazy, but I can't see in it an inch of scum motivation"

[Gentleman 9]

all systems eventually reaches steady state so its understandable?

[Gentleman 9]

I'm townreading my partner, and I don't understand the reasons for scumreading her besides maybe the reason of "her main". But I don't know her main, so I don't really know.

@G9 after G7 flipped scum, I can't really townread G2, so maybe G5 slightly townier than G2 isk
L4 townier than L8 for sure

L2 > L4 > L8
this is a spicy take

[Gentleman 9]

your vote is good. good job g1

[Gentleman 9]

I think G4 is the type of player that notices and appreciates the small things in life

[Gentleman 9]

It's vanilla tho btw

this is v cute

[Gentleman 9]

the prince does need to lead the way and act as a beacon for town to coalesce votes.