A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Gentleman 9]

hey g6 with the hat did you ever finish your essay listing

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: g4l1

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: g4l2

[Gentleman 9]

Gent 4's sort of reversal on Gent 5

has this happened or is my reading comprehension bad

[Gentleman 9]

Gent 4's sort of reversal on Gent 5

has this happened or is my reading comprehension bad

[Gentleman 9]

this game is making me nervous

[Gentleman 9]

i wish g3 detective would come back and that i can trust him

[Gentleman 9]

UNVOTE:

[Gentleman 9]

g8 ic what's your stance on who should go (other than mod error)

[Gentleman 9]

good gentlesir the 8 please impart us ur wisdom

[Gentleman 9]

i threatened to leave her at f4 if no scum has been flipped and she got mad. can someone calm her down

[Gentleman 9]

1 - f4 is not after intermission, and i think that leaving is the correct decision for ~reasons~
2 - you flipped it, its that no scum have been flipped after 2 eliminations, I need to leave you, rather than you need to leave me.

[Gentleman 9]

gosh publically airing out domestic disputes is so unsightly

[Gentleman 9]

has this happened or is my reading comprehension bad

hm guess still relevant

[Gentleman 9]

yes. 12 to intermission

[Gentleman 9]

?? I did read your posts
Do you want me to air out the reasons again?

[Gentleman 9]

Like I discuss in the PT rather than clog more the main thread because its a far out moonlogic thought after rereading, hoping that you can assuage that doubt, but instead you just erupt and double down?

[Gentleman 9]

Here's your two posts where you substantially advocate for voting out where both halves look like scum.

I strongly think the best way to play dance1 is to vote out pairs where both halves of the pairing seem more likely than null to flip scum. I think this is much more effective than voting pairs where one player seems very, very scummy, and the other partner is nullish or townish. Two guess are just much stronger than one and read confidence is this weird emotional thing that doesn't correlate well to the actual percentages, when it is 3:7 someone who is 34% likely to be scum due to your reads feels twice as exciting as someone who is 33% likely to be scum, and stuff. Which works fine for setting up a PoE order in Normal queue but is bad in this setup and closely interlinked with leave-your-partner-gamethrows that have happened when this setup was run in the past.

It might sound convenient for me to say since some people townread my slot, but I think it's not that convenient since no one hard scumreads my partner except l7.blue (and maybe me lol).

It's not pairs that just aren't going to end game, it's pairs most likely to produce a redflip to work with because they have two halves that feel like they can flip scum instead of one. Human reads are bad and human reads that feel really better than other reads are actually only slightly better so two scumreads ideally or a scumread and a nullread have a quantity that outweighs the quality of an intense scumread. And "ignoring the intensity" of a scumread doesn't impact associative play that much, you'll be looking at the votes and what was actually caused to flip. If anything forcing players to discuss both halves is really good because bussing a scumpartner with a bunch of truth telling probably looks more authentic than shade on the town half

Yes, this logic is definitely right in a vacuum from a town!you perspective, but its also very beneficial for scum!you perspective if you were the partner of L7 or G3. In the latter case, I think its a high likelihood that town straight out loses the game. At F4 with no red corpses, this aforementioned case starts to have greater probability that it true, so I thought about hedging the game by straight out leaving. I don't want to do it in F3, because a mistake could straight up be a loss and its no longer hedging

[Gentleman 9]

Like I think with your mathematical inclination you would understand this I didn't expect you to just blow up

[Gentleman 9]

also there's the minor part where you said you read lilth's post but you first post was "hey am i paired", but tbf that's whatever.

[Gentleman 9]

I guess I also have to update over salad's dead body so :S

[Gentleman 9]

holy shit g4 can you read my post from the last page at the end?
I think she has a smaller chance of being scum than u and a bunch of other people, ftr

[Gentleman 9]

oh one more thing, the whole reason this was prompted was that your fully ordered readlist was soooo weird, particularly with how high G3 was up there. which I guess I didn't mention. You can assuage it by giving better reasons why he is so high up other than "handsome and cool" or something like that

[Gentleman 9]

there are some pretty real tactical advantages to skipping the second exile before intermission, especially since L5 is acting a bit wolfy for once. We can make this a pokemon chatroom for four days

before this gets lost its not a bad idea

[Gentleman 9]

I don't exactly understand/agree with this whole, kill misty for telling us the optimal strategy is because it happens to be suboptimal in a subset of games where deepwolfs are winning

I shouldn't have to out my main for people who read my posts to guess that I would be the sort to believe in this strategy before this game started. So it's NAI unless I selectively hide my opinions about optimal town play sometimes and do that more when I roll town than when I roll scum, which is ????

why couldnt you have just posted this measured response in the pt then

[Gentleman 9]

G4

Even if your reads don't change, the threshold to which null is changes as the game goes on.

That's why I had the delay'd leaving suggesting rather than just leaving right now

[Gentleman 9]

I'm heading to work but I'll catch up by tonight

[Gentleman 9]

okay im here.

rule of 3 might not even apply here since we have 14-2 distribution, when in normal we have at worst 9-2

[Gentleman 9]

i caught up.VOTE: g4-l2

[Gentleman 9]

The rule of 3 has never been limited by distributions before.

no

[Gentleman 9]

You can say the same thing about lady 2

[Gentleman 9]

something is happening

[Gentleman 9]

not 4-2 votes though. It's objectively better than 5-8

[Gentleman 9]

honestly i kinda want to play this game like contagion rn where the dead pair dictates the next elim, cause this game is really getting bogged dwon

[Gentleman 9]

8 I'm seriously frustrated at you for not doing your job

[Gentleman 9]

like as conf town you need to provide direction to where to go but you've been sitting on your vote for the last N days where N is large. this is leading the game to have no conviction at all

[Gentleman 9]

i just want a vote and a direction its not a big ask
im not asking him to drag the two scum out and put them on the chopping board for us

[Gentleman 9]

i think if you give a pep talk to the replacements that really can't read the game in 15 hours that would be much more helpful.

like if i were to be replaced in rn, and cant process a 200 page game, I would sheep IC and the dead, but the dead's reads are a bit stale so its up to you to give trustworthy guidance

[Gentleman 9]

my plan of leaving after in f4 if we don't get at least 1 scum is unchanged.

[Gentleman 9]

f4 as in final 4 pairs

[Gentleman 9]

I do not strong townread L3, especially when the reference point all other ladies

[Gentleman 9]

I'd assume there is a relatively bigger chance that she's scum yes

[Gentleman 9]

ill take that into consideration

[Gentleman 9]

it's better that someone who isn't confirmed town catches people up tbh

for like a plethora of reasons

give me one please

not that im saying you should catch people up, but i can't particularly see why that's a bad idea in this scenario

[Gentleman 9]

L8 whats your thoughts on G1 he's my biggest ambiguous slot rn

[Gentleman 9]

leaver mechanic to cull the game down to

Gent 9 / Lady 3
Gent 6 / Lady 1
Gent 1 / Lady 7

also have you talked to your man about this and what does he think

[Gentleman 9]

ok...

unless you mean a general outline of events, it's way better that someone who isn't confirmed and has opinions about players does it for the purpose of, you know, either forcing scum to take stances on events or making town be transparent about their thoughts on events. me saying what happened and what i think does nothing to help a replacement read someone, someone else doing it might (because it gives them a good place to start asking "why?" questions, if nothing else

this isn't rocket surgery

fine - then tell someone you think hasn't been taking stances to do a thing

[Gentleman 9]

keeping in mind you know, the whole 15 hours and whatnot

[Gentleman 9]

ftr I don't even agree with you on 4223, but I do want this game to move forward and that is a direction

[Gentleman 9]

god i hate the g1 slot so much

[Gentleman 9]

Here are the potential pairs to vote for if at all to help replacement catch up.

Lady 2 - Gent 4: This is the best pair to vote for IMO. I don't think anyone particularly town reads either slot, and . Although some people think that Lady 2 might be town because of her alt. I don't really agree. I think she hasn't done anything this game other than one good post defending Gent 4. I slightly town lead Gent 4, but in a game of this size, this lean roughly equals to null. As my partner said, he has 222 posts, I null read 221 of them.

Lady 8 - Gent 5: I advanced of the theory that L8 is just coasting with her cute persona (it is very cute), but I think now I just agree its her play style that she doesn't really find scum. She's very devoted to her man G5. I think there's something interesting regarding G5's interaction with G4 with their dancing around but im too tired to figure out what's going on. G5 is a player that believes in enjoyment of the game, and says he'll actively sort G8. I think I'm mildly townreading the slot.

Lady 1 - Gent 6: I think there's been recent hoopla that this could be a scum pairing? I don't understand it I town read both of them and someone else can make the case here.

[Gentleman 9]

leaver mechanic to cull the game down to

Gent 9 / Lady 3
Gent 6 / Lady 1
Gent 1 / Lady 7

also have you talked to your man about this and what does he think

Final four pairings:
G5-L8
G1-L7
G6-L1
G9-L3

but do you agree with leaving yourself out of f3

[Gentleman 9]

what happened to this anyway

i had a post on this a couple of pages ago. its my posts from 3649 to 3664

[Gentleman 9]

Can we get like more votes here please?

[Gentleman 9]

L5 is tour proposition that it's the gent of the g5 L8 and g4 l2 team that are sketchy?

[Gentleman 9]

Since it's directly dictating your ordering of the flips

[Gentleman 9]

Hey. G4

[Gentleman 9]

You said that other peoples reads on G1 makes you question your read on G1 since majority is town right

[Gentleman 9]

Why doesn't this apply to your thoughts on L2

[Gentleman 9]

yo

[Gentleman 9]

VOTE: g3-l6

[Gentleman 9]

On a related note I want to know how people feel about G9

g9 single handedly dragged a l2 execution before eod first stance after l1 disappeared. i think we should feel pretty good about him

[Gentleman 9]

i feel good about g5-l8 for a variety of reasons

[Gentleman 9]

old lady 7 beeboy + sans was a powercouple

both yall new ones are duds.

[Gentleman 9]

solving the game 4 u just need to sort by post count

[Gentleman 9]

Objection: Argumentative, Nonresponsive

just because you won money buying the lottery doesnt mean it was the correct thing to do ex ante. you dont see this thats why i call you a dud

[Gentleman 9]

whats the question:?

[Gentleman 9]

thats not a question nor does it make sense dud

[Gentleman 9]

shit i hope thats not a personal attack if so im sorry

[Gentleman 9]

you can do both but u'll be wrong and making a fool out of yourself either way so shrug

[Gentleman 9]

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8
Gentleman 6 - Lady 1

Gentleman 1 - Lady 7




Gentleman 3 - Lady 6

[Gentleman 9]

actually can i ask why you want people to rank?

[Gentleman 9]

i guess im trying to figure out the town motivation behind it, but as long as you answer eventually thats ok

[Gentleman 9]

oh god

[Gentleman 9]

you got me all right

[Gentleman 9]

If misty and I are linked as lovers already why does my hypo scum partners want to attack my dancemate

[Gentleman 9]

hmm

[Gentleman 9]

i know you cant answer this, but l3 #2's proposal to no leave pre-intermission would have really benefited scum and slows momentum

[Gentleman 9]

i guess its not very relevant

[Gentleman 9]

but it results in a huge loss of tempo + it would be hard with G4 hard defending and less votes.

[Gentleman 9]

i actually revert back. I just mildly townread L3, mostly from discussions with lilith. I don't understand really her progression with me. I'll happily leave but I want G3 to flip first

[Gentleman 9]

I'm trying to figure out whether I want 1-7 or 6-1 to be endgame pair with 5-8

[Gentleman 9]

no I think your reasoning is justified, that you thought l5 is scummy. But afaik L3 never doubted L5

[Gentleman 9]

the thing is, if g3 doesn't flip scum, im at a big loss as to who is scum

[Gentleman 9]

the thing is, if g3 doesn't flip scum, im at a big loss as to who is scum

[Gentleman 9]

like im fairly certain l7-g1 is tow town, but i don't really trust their potential to figure out endgame say we just miss and it ends up lylo

[Gentleman 9]

i wonder whether I should respond to L7's "case" now that a couple of people starts to think it is "credible"

[Gentleman 9]

[L3] ( ノ゜Д゜)ノ ❤❤❤❤❤❤ (ㆆ _ ㆆ) [G9] (ㆆ _ ㆆ) [G9]

i have been fooled by this (in mafia and irl) before

[Gentleman 9]

heart heart heart irl

[Gentleman 9]

G6 is like the best pair for you out of everyone left after the prince (rip) said he no likey you

[Gentleman 9]

i would feel very guilty if g3 gets a replacement. can we just agree on if that is the case we just vote him out both to save time and save the poor potential replacement

[Gentleman 9]

Let's just flip G3 so

I

we can win

[Gentleman 9]

That issue is solved by just sending him down the river right now!
pedit: I did find scum unlike you though

i called l2 scum very very early psh

[Gentleman 9]

the only reason why I voted for the other 2-4 was that I townread G4, and I made that very clear in my posts

[Gentleman 9]

i distrust L1 and G1 right now. I and L3 are on the same boat, if L1 leaves, we will leave since we don't trust each other. However, we agree that L5-L8 is town and their bond is strong enough to get G1 scum.

[Gentleman 9]

G9, walk me though what you think of Lady 1 in more detail?

You think it was a whole-game bus?

yes I do think so. This has given L1 the best possible position as scum and the only possible way of endgaming with weak partners.

[Gentleman 9]

This puts the game in my hands to reevaluate G1, supposing you are town. You are aware of this right?

yup. I've maintained that your slot is town

[Gentleman 9]

i havent insulted you?

[Gentleman 9]

im proud of you for having reads L8!

[Gentleman 9]

L1 why did you vote me

[Gentleman 9]

no i mean, why do you scum read me

[Gentleman 9]

@L7, I will give you a good faith response to your case tomorrow.

[Gentleman 9]

no i mean, why do you scum read me

Honestly I just did a very quick skim of your iso and nothing really has stuck out to me as something that makes me want to snap vote you besides maybe a lock of read progression but that can be looked past.

Would you lose to G5/L8 at this stage?

I think my reads have changed for a lot of players? Two that stands out is G1 G5 and you, for example, after either going back and forth or reviewing ISOs.

I don't really want to lose to anybody. I'm not ready to say yes to that plan *at this moment*. I need to reevaluate.

[Gentleman 9]

It's cause I reread you ISO, and have doubts on my doubts L1

[Gentleman 9]

we owe it to the dead townies whose corpses our current life is built atop.

if that is true then its desirable to compile a series of what their latest reads before death are and use it as guidance

[Gentleman 9]

because your reads over L2 was not as multidimensional as i remember and progresses very much similar to mine.

I think I am influenced a lot by Lady 3 #2's pt posts, which puts you at the bottom in many of her read lists. Lady 3 #3 can confirm this

[Gentleman 9]

Literally not stopping you RN.

But that's effort

[Gentleman 9]

Lady 5: This one is easy

If G4-L2 are done first then:

G4-L2 -> G5-L8 if no scumflip -> G1-L7 -> G3-L6 -> G6-L1

G4-L2 -> G1-L7 if scumflip -> G3-L6 -> G6-L1 -> G5-L8

I want the three endgame pairs to be

L3-G9
G3-L6
G6-L1

UNLESS scum flips in either G5-L8 or G4-L2 in which case the other should be swapped for G3-L6

[Gentleman 9]

Lady 2 was scum. Lady 4 died too early. So Out of the ladies I need to still do 6

[Gentleman 9]

I'm in favor of going scorched earth on basically everywhere but Lady 3/Gent 9

I need more opinions on G1 first I think

if we can take G1 is town, then going scorched earth on everything but G1/L7 and L3/G9 is not a strategy I disapprove of.

I specifically don't want G5/L8 in end game.

I don't expect my pair to be end-game with the state of G3. I town lean him currently but I still foresee myself leaving if the game lasts long enough.

I am expliclty not townreading her. If I had a go back to dance pairings button where I could have replaced in before it all shook out I'm not sure I'd still have paired where I did.

That said I certainly don't regret making it to this phase!

Our pt is a few pages long. About 90 percent of it is my phone posting while I drive to and from work. That wasn't a joke. I generally use my commute to lay down thoughts using my phone's voice to text feature.

Were you town reading her when you paired with her? Has your read changed/progressed on her since then?

My thoughts on Lady 1 for a while is that she was just so free and seemingly uncaring with her posting that it seemed +townish. But that's not a lot to base a read off of and she seemingly does have very strong opinions (namely on me pair and G4/L2), and she's since reversed her "I'm fine with dying attitude" to "I want to survive" and that has me squeamish.

i just really don't vibe your case on scum!him !

I thought the case on him was more that the flipped scum were trying to get people to focus on you out of the pair, when you are pretty obviously the stronger player from a (becoming townread) PoV, which seems like a strong enough case to not have him endgame. I don't particularly think he's scum, but I wouldn't be opposed to flipping him. Vaguely, I'm in a similar place with G3. I think it's very possible that he's town, but I'm not really sold on him being town either, so if we die, we die.

I'm feeling pretty happy with L3's 4517, tbh, and I'd probably be okay with either of G5/L8 or G6/L1.

[Gentleman 9]

no lady 8 I think you need to do lady 6 pre and post dannflor. This is because Dann would have a better read on the game by virtue of being in the game for longer, while the replacement has more recent info

(yes and it looks better for me)

[Gentleman 9]

For Gents, I need to do G2 (died early), G3 (didn't participate), G4, G7 (scum), G8

[Gentleman 9]

if i had to rank ladies town->scum right now i think i'd go 7, 3/8, 6, 1, 2 but i don't really even think lady 2 is all that likely to be scum

if i had to rank gentleman town->scum right now i think i'd go "fuck me i don't know"

maybe 6/9, 5, 4, 3, 1?

[Gentleman 9]

remind me where you think the scum are, gentleman 4

G5/L8 has biggest chance. If not, equally consider G9 and G1. Weaker townreads are G6/G3.

[Gentleman 9]

In summary:
Gents ranking
G8:
6 = 9 > 5 > 1
G4
6 > 1 = 9 >5
L6, Dann
9 > 6 = 1 > 5
L6, Not Dann
5 = 6 > 1 = 9
L5
9 = 5 > 6 > 1

[Gentleman 9]

Ladies Ranking
G8:
7 > 3 = 8 > 1
G4:
7 = 1 = 3 > 8
L6 Dann,
7 = 3 > 1 > 8
L6 Not Dann,
3 = 5 = 8 > 1
L5
3 = 8 > 1 > 7

I understand this is not perfect attribution since some of these are done by pairs so don't rail on me ok i tried my best

[Gentleman 9]

hold on we are gonna have to have a domestic dispute soon

[Gentleman 9]

Wtf I see that

[Gentleman 9]

I'm literally paranoid of everyone rn.

[Gentleman 9]

I've been playing ADC in league these days rather than tank support characters.

[Gentleman 9]

I went back to reread the first 30 or so pages.

[Gentleman 9]

I really just don't think that G1 is scum. Sans was relatively townie even though I didn't buy the slip it at first, and Nagito is townie as well. Nagito is relatively townie as well - I think yes, his pushes are shallow, but they are not scum shallow. Out of the entrances, I think you G5 has the weakest of them?

[Gentleman 9]

Out of the ladies I townread L1 and L7, but too a lesser degree L8. L7 largely from beeboys strong play, L1 from her L2 interactions, which is seriously pretty good.

As I said in the PT, gun to my head, L8 G5 pair is most likely to contain scum, and as G5 pointed out, most likely to hinder my win con if that's indeed the case

[Gentleman 9]

I think rn I'm content with letting G1 L7 and L1 G6 being the final 2 pairs that are left? Out of these two I really can't tell who is scum if there is cause I townread all 4 about equal.

[Gentleman 9]

Ofc I could just be the big wrong maybe I need to sleep on it it's 4 in the morning and whatnot

[Gentleman 9]

Oh the allegory about league, I was reflecting that I'd rather play a poor game and have town lose because of me, than a strong game and have town lose in spite on me. DK why that's relevant now

[Gentleman 9]

Thank you both for your service!

Let's go back an examine how the invites near the end went down with our new knowledge.

Lady 7, I get your case on G9 now.

Can you do a brief wall of your townread reasons that also contribute to your POE of G9?

U know I realize something. In your ISO you consistently put L2 as your bottom read. But you never once talk about or with her.

L1 in your pt does G6 do a lot of analysis on L2 scum

[Gentleman 9]

That's why I proposed leaving if I was wrong

If we leave I want you to instead to use your tunnel energy on pushing our last reads rather than. Leaving

[Gentleman 9]

Oops ghost quote

[Gentleman 9]

I think you are just scum G6.

I looped through G5 again, there were two things that if scum!him was true I would be unhappy with. 1) L2 had 1 earnest post in the whole game, and that was directed to him; 2) L5's last wish theory on there should be 1 scum in (L2, G5, + someone else) I first misunderstood, but now I think its convincing.

My reasons to townread you hindged on: I liked your interaction with G8 at endgame yesterday, and that in essence your posting style has been very very plesant. However, stripping all the charisma aside, I don't really think you are town. I remember Isis asking in our PT why you are town, and I literally responded that I'm not certain, your integration with personal life seems "honest".

However, points against you for being town I think again

1) Your interaction with L2 is terrible, as in you have no interaction with her, and she has 1 marginal interaction with you. Yet despite that, the two places where you have reads you put her at the bottom of your reads. Plus L2 refused to call L1 scum even after that relentless tunnel, and that interaction with L1 completely stops after she you guys paired is suspect.

2) I find your play today after G3 a bit sketch. First you go after G1, then immediately flip to G5 when L1 threatens leaving, and finally agrees with the case on L7, to push on me. I think these smell a bit like a desperation move, or scum slipping a bit now that they found a winning condition. Yes you can say I'm doing the same thing, but the difference is that I'm thoroughly rereading each slot every time I change, whereas you are "I slept on it, nothing".

[Gentleman 9]

Ok I think I'm ready to leave. keeping me here so that L7 can continually tunnel is unhealthy for the game state. Waiting for L3 rn

[Gentleman 9]

I'd rather if you point out why my case lacks merit from your point of view

[Gentleman 9]

I think I made it pretty clear I want 1 7 in the end. Both because I townread them and because out of spite

[Gentleman 9]

Yeah I think so, which ironically is a flip of my previous one

[Gentleman 9]

I get the sense from Gent 2's posting recently that he's trying to solve the game-- what I mean about that is, I think it's a mostly foregone conclusion that Gent 2 is flipping soon. I think Gent 2 knows that as well.

Detailing plans for who should and shouldnt be in the endgame, trying to strike a deal with me, stuff like that feels unnecessary if he's just about to flip red. And also could potentially be hurting his partner too giving so much extra info. It's sort of like in a regular game when someone is at L-1 and they're obviously going to die-- scum would probably favour giving up to not expose anything to help us find their partner, town will try to dictate what we should do next

In Gent 7's case it was kind of LAMISTy/WIFOMy to save himself (it was just a 1v1), whereas here I don't get the feeling Gent 2 is trying to save himself by WIFOMing us out. I don't think he can and I dont think he thinks he can either. He'd have to push so many miselims, whereas in Gent 1's case he just had to beat out one person.

I also am pretty much fine with his picks for the endgame, if I assume his pair is T/T.

I don't know if that all makes sense. Lady 4 I also think is town i believe.

I have much less strong feelings on G4/L2. Some things by Gent 4 I vaguely like on occasion but it's not big things. Lady 2 I feel I'm being unfair to, especially now that she's V/LA atm.

But I'm much not enjoying this current gamestate where it kind of feels like we're playing as if we only have one shot, where in reality we can knock out like 90% of the players. I know this is my fault too for not deciding on my favourite flavour of ice cream or whatever, im very sorry for that. It's vanilla tho btw

VOTE: Gent 4 / Lady 2

This game feels very tough in its own unique way. I find Gent 4's behaviour yesterday really good.

It wasn't "survivalist" because survivalism would mean G4 votes for his counter wagon or goes for a target where there is more interest like G3 or G9. and like I would argue scum generally are very careful about making sure they can justify all of their reads (a common newb scum tell is that they over justify every single read) instead of just making random gut pushes

I agree with this

I think Gent 4 is voting who he actually thinks has the best chance of flipping scum at whatever given moment in time even if he can't explain it. His switch to Lady 1 today feels good

I still don't know anything about Lady 2 which sucks though

At this moment in time, I am not sure who I want. I feel there's now a sizable chance the two pairs being considered atm (Gent 4 / Lady 2 + Gent 5 / Lady 8) are both all town, assuming Lady 2 is town. That's not great

Gent 5 shared this feeling with me in our PT at the same time I had it too.

The vote proxying seems eyebrows if the L2G4 pairing includes scum while the L4G2 pair didn't. Deciding whether to bus is stressful

Hm, okay. He agreed with me on Lady 4 being town, had a suspicion of Gent 2, and had much less strong feelings on Gent 4/Lady 2. Prior to this he did the whole meme posting against Gent 2/Lady 4's pair, I know he somewhat preferred it but not a lot

Do you think Gent 5 as scum tries to delay Gent 4/Lady 2's flip if he's scum with one? Currently we're reconsidering Gent 4 being scum but are undecided on Lady 2

My question for Lady 1

Who is your biggest scumread aside from G4 or L2 and why?

Is this the part you're not understanding? I never said scum have to be in the 2-4 pairs if they all flipped town I would shrug my shoulders and go oh well and look more closely at the remaining pairs because that would be the part where I need to look for the next scum. I really wish you didn't ask this question because I don't want to pull focus away from 2-4 who should still be the lynch today regardless. I even told my partner I was gonna make the scum case next dance

posts like this are ones that reinforce my belief that you're trying to chain town eliminations with the 2-4 pairs

I really don't think it's scummy to just want to remove both 2-4 pairs (at least at the beginning of today). If the consensus was never going to townread them for endgame, there wasn't a whole lot of reason to delay.

I suppose it's easy as scum to just support that and not read into things further, sure. But I can also see taking a lower effort path and just removing the main consensus not townread parties first and foremost

I think the way Lady 6 is trying to go about finding scum via the last wagon is a genuine attempt by her but I am unsure she will find much. Scum probably wouldn't feel more inclined to push the wagon as they would to not push it. Mayyyybe if there's scum in G4/L2 it's telling that we were swerved onto that wagon, but at the same time, I'm liking Gent 4 more and he says Lady 2 is town

Gent 1 Nagito is a tougher read these past couple pages. I think he's attacking Lady 1 for things that are true ("You aren't explaining your read changes", "You're trying to [mis?]elim the 2/4 pairs") but I don't know if she's necessarily scummy over being somewhat anti-town for them. Yes yes im a broken record not finding things scummy I'll go off and sit by myself now

Lady 8, u are very kind.
I went through your iso to see if i have a false positive on gent 6. in fact you do mention lady 2 time by time, or at least discuss how you feel about the pairs. however when looking at gent 6 iso, it is completely barren other than when tier lists (without explanations) are made.

[Gentleman 9]

oops these are all ghost quotes. I went through your iso and just saw too many, so I decided against quoting them all

[Gentleman 9]

Not even L3/G9 wants that.

i want to but my partner says she would leave me in f2, so I cannot

[Gentleman 9]

L8 do you think I should put on my carrying hat

[Gentleman 9]

Even if there's a malphit can could potentially slam me

[Gentleman 9]

@G9, I'm gonna leave within 12 hours. Do you have anything you'd like to say?

no I said everything I needed to say

[Gentleman 9]

I think I'd rather 5 8 than 6 1 G2 endgame. I trust L1 to figure out if G6 is scum or not in . I trust Lady 8 to figure out if G5 is scum or not. I don't really trust the goon squad rn even tho they are more likely town from my point of view.

[Gentleman 9]

Er other than that, I don't have much more to say. I think L3 Will say her reads too before leaving. Go town.

[Gentleman 9]

I do! Every other player has defining town moments imo, but G6 feels just present and ok townie! Hope his teethe feels better!

leave dance

[Gentleman 9]

I think I'd rather 5 8 than 6 1 G2 endgame. I trust L1 to figure out if G6 is scum or not in . I trust Lady 8 to figure out if G5 is scum or not. I don't really trust the goon squad rn even tho they are more likely town from my point of view.

Er this is suppose to say 5 8 AND 6 1 Final 2 pairs endgame

[Gentleman 9]

The wolf is G9. Always has been. If I am wrong, I will promptly leave the game. I am not wrong though. Can we please just murder G9 already and stop with the paranoia on ourselves?

Looking forward to this!