FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)

[Servant Berserker]

Give me Master.

It doesn't matter what your ability says or does. It doesn't matter what your upgrades are.

My master upgrade is insanely good by definition, and my role does well as confirmed unkillable town for a day or so.

Ship me the Master.

[Servant Berserker]

Winning this vote is not the only way to obtain a master.

My role makes it so I want day 2 to start with all 4 scum alive.
So I would rather vote a null read in the actual voting phase then a scum read.

I just want to clarify this so I don't have to try and explain why I am not casing my scum reads down the line.

I agree it's not the only way to obtain master.

When I'm made Master, I can activate other people's Master.

My role does extremely well with confirmed town status, and I'll get to activate two or more people I have strong town reads on before the scum are forced to kill me.

[Servant Berserker]

by definition my master upgrade is superior to any other because I can hand out master upgrades.

[Servant Berserker]

To be perfectly clear

My ability to do this is not roleblockable.

I will always get two off.

I can do other cool shit to assist the town.

And you get me as confirmed town.

This is not hard.

[Servant Berserker]

Hey great,
The question now is, whether the mafia got that information too or if we just automatically get to win this first phase unless we really want to kill scum day 1 and have 3 super powered mafia instead.

It's hidden. Only I and the people I select to gain master will know they have obtained it.

I get to activate 2 secret power roles, my dudes.

[Servant Berserker]

Stop claiming.

No?

This is an objectively correct play to make. When I become confirmed town, I'll die soon enough anyway, I'm not claiming the rest of my role, and this part of my role cannot be stopped.

It's literally free.

[Servant Berserker]

I am rigorously thought about the pros and cons of lynching at random during this phase.

To some degree we don't want to confirm someone we think is town as town? They get a jacked role pm but will just end up being shot which results in us losing a strong town read and the entire benefit of this vote.
People can get upgraded role pms through other means so that player can still get a Jacked role pm need be.


I think this entire day phase should consist of us just voting mid reads. If we flip scum on this phase then we should probably lynch scum a 2nd time.

Or you can literally just hand it to the player who is claiming what their upgrade does.

Honestly, like.

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker how do you know your master upgrade?
I didn't think that was info made available to you.

It's literally written in my role PM.

Is it not in yours?!

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker did you see my post?

The one where you claim you're town?

Or... did I miss one?

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker how do you know your master upgrade?
I didn't think that was info made available to you.

It's literally written in my role PM.

Is it not in yours?!

No?

Okay well mine is under my Noble Phantasm abilities. It literally says "when you gain Master...."

[Servant Berserker]

You conveniently have the same ability.

After I claim mine.

Fine, vote me and I'll make you Master Day 1. Mine is a day phase thing. So we can test it.

[Servant Berserker]

Or is yours also conveniently a night ability too so we cannot prove it?

[Servant Berserker]

I think part of the decision process for figuring out who should get the master upgrade needs to be: what is their master upgrade? How useful is it? How risky to use?

In that spirit, I offer: My master upgrade would allow me to give two other players their own master upgrades. The upgrade would not include revealing their alignment. Usefulness and risk would depend on my townreading skills and luck.

Winning this vote is not the only way to obtain a master.

My role makes it so I want day 2 to start with all 4 scum alive.
So I would rather vote a null read in the actual voting phase then a scum read.

I just want to clarify this so I don't have to try and explain why I am not casing my scum reads down the line.

I agree it's not the only way to obtain master.

When I'm made Master, I can activate other people's Master.

My role does extremely well with confirmed town status, and I'll get to activate two or more people I have strong town reads on before the scum are forced to kill me.

hate 2 break it 2 u but this is probably in everyone's role (it is in mine also)

berserker's confidence here is probtown tho

Okay, this many people claiming it means it is absolutely a mechanic and not a special power.

Which makes buddy who has "what do you mean when you become master" a very suspicious person.

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker how do you know your master upgrade?
I didn't think that was info made available to you.

Berserker how do you know your master upgrade?
I didn't think that was info made available to you.

It's literally written in my role PM.

Is it not in yours?!

Berserker how do you know your master upgrade?
I didn't think that was info made available to you.

It's literally written in my role PM.

Is it not in yours?!

No?

Like this is way more suspicious with us finding out 4+ people confirmed this is text in the Role PM.

[Servant Berserker]

Oh I read my role pm wrong.
My with a master ability allows me to give another player a master as a day action.
I am not sure how I missed that text, thanks for getting me to check my noble phantasm.

So to some degree I am objectively the best choice beyond correct strategy of choosing a null read 40 pages from now.
Otherwise we should target a null read as whoever gets chosen will die night one.

I assume this phase is not the same as the literal day 1 elimination phase so I will liberally use our 60 pages.

VOTE: Servant Foreigner

This is our first murder vote, yes?

[Servant Berserker]

Yes, and now I’m not scummy for claiming it after you.

No I agree, you're fine.

Two is a weirdness.

Four+ is "okay this is a mechanic"

[Servant Berserker]

This is our first murder vote, yes?

Is this not the master vote?
We vote for a master, if we win we get 2 lynches day 1.
If we lose scum probably just win on the spot and we are playing up hill 10-3.

No I mean you are scum and I want to murder you as soon as we can vote to murder.

[Servant Berserker]

Go back and look at the context.
Also, being an aggro berserker is just perfect.

Me Angy

Grr

[Servant Berserker]

This is our first murder vote, yes?

Is this not the master vote?
We vote for a master, if we win we get 2 lynches day 1.
If we lose scum probably just win on the spot and we are playing up hill 10-3.

I think Berserker was saying that post is scummy.
But agree, I don't want to be in the scum master timeline.

Foreigner's mistake indicates less information, which is more town than scum, imo.

the "information" they are missing is information that was and is discussed in thread and they are casually ignoring.

As scum here they just play dumb after I caught them on a thing and this is where they end up.

At best this is neutral stupidity, but there's no town + points here to be had.

[Servant Berserker]

You conveniently have the same ability.

As do I

After I claim mine.

Fine, vote me and I'll make you Master Day 1. Mine is a day phase thing. So we can test it.

Are you townreading Berserker?

Those are both my quotes. Are you asking me if I'm town reading me? Because yes.

Or did you mean Avenger? Because it wasn't that I was town reading Avenger, rather that if only 2 of us had the ability and it WAS the same, I could force test Avenger to see such a thing and lynch if they lied.

But it's moot since well, you know, everyone has it.

[Servant Berserker]

*Kill if they lied.

One of these days i will remove that from my vocab for good. =/

[Servant Berserker]

he "information" they are missing is information that was and is discussed in thread and they are casually ignoring.

What am I casually ignoring?

The thing you are currently claiming is literally what I claimed when I came in.

It's also what 3 others also claimed as well.

And now after 4 people did that and went "oh, it's a mechanic not a special feature"

you're in here late to the party going "hey guys vote me I have this ability"

So either you're not reading or.... intentional.

So either neutral at best or scum at worst.

[Servant Berserker]

The thing you are currently claiming is literally what I claimed when I came in.

It's also what 3 others also claimed as well.

And now after 4 people did that and went "oh, it's a mechanic not a special feature"

you're in here late to the party going "hey guys vote me I have this ability"

So either you're not reading or.... intentional.

So either neutral at best or scum at worst.

Do you really think I believe that's going to get me town read in an anonymous field?

Stupid is ubiquitous.

In an anon field, pretending to be dumber than you are and getting "too dumb to be scum" vibes is absolutely a strategy.

So uh.

yes I will lynch people who "oopsie I played bad" in this game because it is impossible to tell true incompetence from masterful falsehood feigning as such.

[Servant Berserker]

Are we going to eliminate the foreigner.

Everything foreigner is saying is stilted and oddly worded.
I could make excuses for him, but why would I. My hair is on fire.

THIS SERVANT IS ON FIREEE

FIREEEE

FIREEEE

[Servant Berserker]

Hey guys, checking in. Skimming and trying to get used to reading messages with the avatars all looking the same.

I can confirm I have a similar ability to what several people have claimed so I think that is all null then right?

Having the ability is null.

the way claims occur and how epople acted is not.

Read those pages and make assertions.

[Servant Berserker]

I don't town read Berserker at all.
Which makes this entire situation feel like utter shit from my POV.

I think this is the easiest "aggro" push you can make.
I think aggro pushes like this are more likely to come from scum then town.

And the OMGUS to top it off, aided by a "aggressive players are scummy"!

In an anonymous game.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm :Thinking:

[Servant Berserker]

I don't town read Berserker at all.
Which makes this entire situation feel like utter shit from my POV.

I think this is the easiest "aggro" push you can make.
I think aggro pushes like this are more likely to come from scum then town.

Scum love doing this shit because it always gets them town read.
Berserker is going to back off in 20 pages, further getting more town cred.

It's actual garbage that I've seen 100 times and town has literally never successfully adapted to it.

Yawn. So what, this is the setup?

You'll attack the general concept of aggressiveness instead of addressing anything I've actually posted.

And then make casual claims about what may happen in the future to shape expectations?

What part of what you are doing here is town trying to read people?

This reads more like scum trying to control narratives?

[Servant Berserker]

And the OMGUS to top it off, aided by a "aggressive players are scummy"!

In an anonymous game.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm :Thinking:

How does that statement fall apart in an anonymous game.
I am saying scum like to go aggro.
Watch a wagon form.
Then back up and get 2 cred in 2 different forms.

You're saying what you can, it's garbage, and it's going to work out for you.
Good job I guess.

It's that you're making it in an anonymous game as a generic defense. No one can go "no that's not true" because yes, some scum are aggro. Plenty more aren't. No one has meta, no one can "disprove" your statement...

but your statement also has no value. Just as many town are aggro too.

And now you're speaking from a perspective of "knowing" I'm scum.

This is not real outrage. Nothing you have said as of so far reads as real. It reads as trying to take advantage of and deflect a situation by creating a fight.

[Servant Berserker]

What does your play have to do with this game being anon?

It's not about my play, it is about their statement being completely neutral.

It's about them using this is an anonymous game (a fact they stated to try and make a point before I brought it up so they are clearly aware of what the implications are or are at least considering them) as a way to try and deflect and make generalized statements for their own benefit.

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker trying to strongarm the master vote out of the gate doesn't give me good feelings either.

Town and scum both had strong reason to go after the master upgrade from the start, especially before we learned it's ubiquitous. I think how to act on that is more of a personality thing than an alignment thing.

I agree that no one should read me above neutral for wanting the Master vote.

But also, people should consider I was the first one to claim, and it's a personality thing. If I see a possible exploit, if my role does a bonkers thing, I'm going to push to do that thing.

Now that I know it is ubiquitous, I don't care who gets it as long as I vote for a town read. I'm happy to take it because confirmed town lets me lynch my scum reads with pure force of Rage, but.

It's not important anymore, my role isn't special in that regard.

[Servant Berserker]

It's that you're making it in an anonymous game as a generic defense. No one can go "no that's not true" because yes, some scum are aggro. Plenty more aren't. No one has meta, no one can "disprove" your statement...

but your statement also has no value. Just as many town are aggro too.

And now you're speaking from a perspective of "knowing" I'm scum.

This is not real outrage. Nothing you have said as of so far reads as real. It reads as trying to take advantage of and deflect a situation by creating a fight.

If someone can manage to read this and vote me after.
Then I am not entirely sure what to say?

I am not saying your scum for being aggro, I think town love to be aggro as well.
I think your sticking your head way too far out, in a way that makes this unnatural aggression for page 4. I am predicting a future line of play that you will do to brace for my flip. Half my read literally depends on shit that hasn't happened I am not fully convinced your scum but I think I know what's going to happen.

I don't town read Berserker at all.
Which makes this entire situation feel like utter shit from my POV.

I think this is the easiest "aggro" push you can make.
I think aggro pushes like this are more likely to come from scum then town.

Scum love doing this shit because it always gets them town read.
Berserker is going to back off in 20 pages, further getting more town cred.

It's actual garbage that I've seen 100 times and town has literally never successfully adapted to it.

Cognitive dissonance.

[Servant Berserker]

Like, if you want to back off your statements, feel free to back off them

but don't say you weren't saying I was scum. Or that my aggro is somehow "unnatural" compared to "other aggro" when that's not what you said, lol

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker trying to strongarm the master vote out of the gate doesn't give me good feelings either.

ok but a couple other people had the same idea so why single out berserker

Town and scum both want the master vote, but I don't like how Berserker's trying to control the game and steamroll. They could be town but I'd rather someone who I can be confident is town.

This person can eat a bullet too. That is a super weird response after their initial posts wrt this topic.

[Servant Berserker]

Cognitive dissonance.

It isn't.

Oh I'm sorry. Did the person who I am posting about tell me I'm wrong?

Well shit, time to pack it up folks. Guess when the person I am accusing tells me I'm wrong to do so I should just stop because they said so, without them even bothernig to defend why I'm wrong.

God, lol

[Servant Berserker]

He voted town tho, that’s very anti-scum of him.

Oh worm?

U right.

[Servant Berserker]

I am still calling you scum in 98?

I think I know what you want to do, I am calling you out for it in advance.

And I think there is more to just the aggro, I am just not going to explain every small detail of my reads if I am not prodded on it. Otherwise all my posts will be essays explaining the varying things that make individual actions less and more likely to be scum.

But you aren't even calling me out for that, you are saying I am backing up on calling you scum in 98. But I literally am calling you scum?

the bolded is the problem. You are trying to defend against something you have imagined as a distraction to your actual scummy responses and play.

And it's either that you backed up on calling me scum, or backed up on just calling me aggro.

Cause now it's "not that town can't be aggro, it's UNNATURAL AGGRO"

ADVANCED DARKNESS.

My point was, either way, you're shifting the goal posts.

[Servant Berserker]

This person can eat a bullet too. That is a super weird response after their initial posts wrt this topic.

Why's it weird?

It's a weird response because I've already said I don't care about being voted anymore?

Multiple times. Once it became clear the power was ubiquitous among townies (4+ people) I no longer cared who got it as long as they were town.

I'm now instead focusing on early game scum hunting and pressure, as you may notice, because I'm not going to be going down the confirmed town 2 days to live plan.

I don't agree that given I let go, you making this post NOW makes any sense. It's a really weird timing issue, especially since I gave it up really fast, too fast for "steamrolling" to be an adequate adjective.

[Servant Berserker]

Anyway I've gotta go to work again soon so

I WILL REFILL MY RAGE BAR AND RETURN WITH EVEN MORE GRR ANGY ENERGY

[Servant Berserker]

Today sucked. I'm not posting today. I'll post tomorrow.

Also, I'm a she. I know this game is "THEY" for anonymous but, since everyone just calls me "he" anyway, I'm a she. Thanks in advance.

[Servant Berserker]

Been a hard few days folks. Will check tonight.

[Servant Berserker]

Avenger is the only person I am comfortable voting for. Also, town blocking here before a flip is.... Bad. Very bad.

[Servant Berserker]

@mooncaster, who’s scum?

Probably Assassin.

Vote: Servant Assassin

: ]

???

[Servant Berserker]

That's only scratching the surface of the potential theory discussion, but also I just meant I'm not going to debate the merits of it. The TL;DR of it is that I don't mind this going into what is essentially 10:3 with overpowered scum but with town having a good headstart on interaction analysis. I don't care to discuss whether this is optimal or sub-optimal.

My other reads are less contentious. Archer and Shielder are probably scum. Currently mulling over who makes the most sense as a fourth, but I also just plan to smoke out anyone I'm unsure about by getting rid of the rest of them first.

You don't care to debate... which means this is a deflection?

Your logic here is not prima facie, and flies in the face of the common conception here.

That makes this action either performative for the sake of appearing unique-> town as a fallacy townies make.

Or you genuinely believe this and you're not going to accomplish dick by saying this.

So explain, or don't, but know if you choose don't you aren't getting town points for this.

[Servant Berserker]

Okay I'm good with Caster winning the vote too.

[Servant Berserker]

I'm more or less in for the inthread masonry, though I'd be more comfortable electing alter ego or foreigner atm. I don't think we're playing well by honoring foreigner's desire to not be elected when he is obvtown.

would you vote Avenger?

[Servant Berserker]

What do we think are the odds of someone using the "I want to elect scum" take yo vote their buddy? Or should I be not posting this yet?

my thoughts are you should help moon cancer bus me

You get disqualified when someone like Moon wants to vote you.

No matter their alignment, you're a bad vote.

So is foreigner, btw. I don't trust their judgement.

[Servant Berserker]

I'm more or less in for the inthread masonry, though I'd be more comfortable electing alter ego or foreigner atm. I don't think we're playing well by honoring foreigner's desire to not be elected when he is obvtown.

would you vote Avenger?

Eh. I'm not totally sure why everyone seems to want to.

Avenger is very obviously town to my eyes.

I think you are also town and would vote you.

[Servant Berserker]

Vote: Avenger

[Servant Berserker]

I don't think Foreigner is particularly town, nor do I trust them to make decisions.

I'm also not sure about Saber's alignment. I worry about anyone who calls me super town and in the same breath tells me that they're "concerned about how I'm confident on Avenger".

Like... my thinking Avenger is town is shaking your core belief I am SO TOWN that much? It shouldn't, it's easy for town to be wrong or for you to disagree with me... and yet you say that?

Makes me feel like you're trying to persuade me off of my vote there or make Avenger less palletable (or perhaps if I stick on him reduce your trust in me so you don't get caught having to work with me?)

It's just a really odd statement from Saber that rubbed me the wrong way, as much as someone finally saying I'm town feels good inside? lol

like no one town reads me. Ever. I'm constantly suspected in all games I'm in for the kind of player I am. Maybe a lot of that is meta based on the kind of game I play, but I like to think a lot of it is just how I play too.

[Servant Berserker]

I'm still not against taking the Master myself, btw.

My original push was because of role stuff, but now I'm looking at our options and I'm concerned that people would use this wrong.

I'm okay if not enough people trust me to put it in my hands, but I trust my ability to put the powers on the right people enough that I feel like I'd rather have it than Foreigner, who I know I don't trust.

[Servant Berserker]

Who do you want to vote, Rider?

[Servant Berserker]

VOTE: Rider

This is a very strange timing of a vote.

Why place this vote now?

[Servant Berserker]

Who do you want to vote, Rider?

Assassin. Alter Ego. Caster.

Where does your aversion to voting Avenger come from, Rider? Your trajectory™ on him is weird - at no point do you say you think he's scum, just that you aren't confident in the town read but you also think it's unlikely scum were gunning for master?

Avenger frustrates me. I can't read them; I've read their ISO more than anyone else's in the thread. The best I can say about them is, at the risk of aping Assassin from a few minutes ago, is they've said a few decent things recently. However, there's also a few things they've said recently that I don't like. None of this adds up to a townread or a scumread for me, and add that to the fact that I have solid townreads on Assassin and Alter, a liquid townread on Caster and gaseous townreads on a couple of others, I'm not voting for a damn question mark.

Further, I do believe scum isn't going hard for the master. But if I'm wrong and they are, it's Avenger. So that's why I'm not voting them today.

I would vote for Caster out of those.

I refuse to vote Assassin, they sketch me out, and I just don't trust AE to make good choices.

Like that assassin wagon does not inspire confidence in me.

[Servant Berserker]

My preference is

Avenger
Caster
Berseker
...
I don't have other preferences, I would only place votes in those 3, in that order.

[Servant Berserker]

Vote Count M-11

Assassin

(5): Archer, Foreigner, Rider, Moon Cancer, Alter Ego
Avenger (4): Avenger, Berserker, Beast,

Assassin

Caster (3): Saber, Lancer, Caster
Rider (1): Ruler
Saber (1): Shielder

Phase Page Count: 33/60

With 14 servants alive, it takes 8 votes to lock in a master. Otherwise, a master will be selected by plurality rules in: (expired on 2020-09-08 21:23:37)

This should tell you all you need to know about why I'm not okay with Assassin winning this vote. No one should be okay with Assassin wining this vote.

Plus Foreigner and Alter Ego are both ON the wagon?

Nope nope nope nope nope.

[Servant Berserker]

I think Berserker is going too deep to go against literally everything I am doing.
I had a small period of time where I liked it but it's kind of gone out the other end and I just scum read her again.

Your read on me is inconsequential to my actions, so this post is kind of pointless. You have gone back and forth on me so many times for so many bad reasons, at this point it feels as if you're just picking whatever suits the mood you need to have that day.

Which, I can't tell if you're just a pissant who is crybabying that they aren't getting their way, or if you're scum and it's opportunistically done (i.e: I need to discredit her here, so I will use this to put my read there).

In either case, I don't trust your opinion worth a damn.

[Servant Berserker]

Also, Berserker, you don't want an Assassin vote because AE and Foreigner are on the wagon and Assassin himself "sketches you out". What, then, do you think of Assassin voting for Avenger, and that both Foreigner and AE have declared they're okay with voting Caster?

Are you scumreading AE, Foreigner and Assassin?

I'm scum reading AE.

Assassin sketches me, and I wouldn't mind seeing them die. Your own wagon being the top wagon, and you not voting for it... witht he things Assassin has already said this game?

It makes 0 sense. Less than 0 sense.

Foreigner has done so much bad this game, it concerns me that I might just be seeing a player who doesn't give a shit? Like I worry about killing them and them being bad town, but it doesn't mean I need to trust their ability to play the game.

[Servant Berserker]

Vote Count M-11

Assassin

(5): Archer, Foreigner, Rider, Moon Cancer, Alter Ego
Avenger (4): Avenger, Berserker, Beast,

Assassin

Caster (3): Saber, Lancer, Caster
Rider (1): Ruler
Saber (1): Shielder

Phase Page Count: 33/60

With 14 servants alive, it takes 8 votes to lock in a master. Otherwise, a master will be selected by plurality rules in: (expired on 2020-09-08 21:23:37)

This should tell you all you need to know about why I'm not okay with Assassin winning this vote. No one should be okay with Assassin wining this vote.

Plus Foreigner and Alter Ego are both ON the wagon?

Nope nope nope nope nope.

lol just lol

fwiw there probably are scum on my wagon though

Like, Rider. Look at this response and tell me this is a person you are comfortable with as town.

Seriously.

[Servant Berserker]

Wow, are you actually mafia? Lol.

Ahhh!

Players who refuse to post a complete reads list with reasoning is mafia. Wow, this game's going to be easy.

This is also a fucking terribad post and AE should be killed for it.

Exercise to the reader to discover why. First one in gets brownie points.

[Servant Berserker]

Did you miss 791 or are you choosing not to respond to it?

Changing tack. Rider, if you don't mind, would you give a complete list of your reads and your reasoning for each of them?

The latter.

And why are you ignoring it?

Pedit: No, I don't think I will. You know who I want to vote for today.

Wow, are you actually mafia? Lol.

Wow, are you actually mafia? Lol.

Ahhh!

Players who refuse to post a complete reads list with reasoning is mafia. Wow, this game's going to be easy.

Here is a complete quote wall of the context involving the post I pointed at. No one got the right answer, I'm very sad, but let me begin to explain why this exchange is + for Moon Cancer and Rider, and - - - ! for AE.

In this exchange, Rider is standing for their principles and making moves for what they want to happen, to happen. Challenging them is Avenger and Moon Cancer.

This whole exchange comes out neutral for Avenger, who was already kind of on this track for a while, and I don't really think his demanding a list of reads is alignment indicative. Nor is poking at rider calling them scum. I guess I already think they are town, so it's just not chaning my opinion is what I mean.

Rider on the other hand, standing up for themselves with no explination, no need to fight about it, just... doing it.

Huge plus.

Moon Cancer poking Rider about answering 791 when it was being ignored, huge town plus for info and alignment gathering.

Here's what I don't like about AE stepping in there. The timing.

What is the purpose of AE's comment? The sarcasm doesn't elicit new reads from anyone, doesn't intone anything that stands for them as a position (they don't really take a side) and they don't allow Rider to answer for their things. I know Rider was unabashed about it in general, but part of this is allowing a player who is being poked to BE POKED.

But they didn't. They stepped in and helped control the narrative and make Avenger look silly.

I think, personally, one of Assassin or Caster has to be scum WITH AE, as a result of this. I think this is the kind of post that someone who is looking to more or less goof on Avenger and make them look silly and unpalletable for a vote would do. It attacks their character and standing without having to take a stance and being very under the radar.

And you might say "you're reading too much into it, it was a joke" but I feel as if there must be a motivation for AE to feel the need to step into that 3 man conversation instead of lettingit play out, JUST to post that. And I can't find a good town reason to have done it.

At that timing, with those words?

AE looks a lot worse. And when you consider AE's stances on the current wagons, things start to fall into place.

[Servant Berserker]

I'm Up on Moon, Rider and Shielder.

I'm down on Caster and Archer.

[Servant Berserker]

I scum read Berserker irl.

You know for someone who says they are so very personally attacked by me not having confidence in your reads or your alignment (???) you sure like to take low blows about what kind of person I am.

If you have a problem, talk to the mod. I'm being well within the boundaries, you're not. Fucking chill.

[Servant Berserker]

1. Shielder
2. Saber
3. Archer
4. Lancer
5. Rider
6. Caster
7. Assassin
8. Berserker
9. Ruler
10. Avenger
11. Moon Cancer
12. Alter Ego
13. Foreigner
14. Beast

Avenger
Moon
Rider
Shielder
Saber (I have felt bad about them... but some of their posts feel really good? This is gonna be a gut read I flucuate on I bet...)
Ruler (Feels Good Man)

----
In no Order
Foreigner
Alter Ego
Archer
Assassin
Caster (Ugh, this one I'm back and forth on too. I have a strong town read on them because of a gut thing I felt and saw and it was so chefs kiss good. But these last pages and everything around them are souring me. I think... I'll just put them down here and reevaluate later, ezpz.)
-----------------

No fucking Idea:

Beast
Lancer

Remind me to read (or someone takl to me) about Beast and Lancer.

[Servant Berserker]

First list is "people I feel are town"

second list is People I think are scummy.

Third list is I have no fucking clue

[Servant Berserker]

Can we not do Assassin, lol.

That's the actual worst outcome on the board IMO.

[Servant Berserker]

Can we not do Assassin, lol.

That's the actual worst outcome on the board IMO.

Thank you. I for reals appreciate that you say it this time without thunderously proclaiming everyone on the assassin wagon is scum.

Obviously not everyone on the wagon is scum, and I didn't say that.

I said the wagon is bad news, mostly because it contains nearly 0 of my town reads.

also IDGAF if you appreciate it or not.

[Servant Berserker]

FUCK IT

sorry avenger, i want the glory

VOTE: ASSASSIN

Hey so uh

Any townies in the thread RN?

Should be VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS END OF DAY FLOP

[Servant Berserker]

This is scum being instructed to take the win on the vote and lock it up.

Any townies on the Assassin wagon should see a player who said "no I don't want this" all day suddenly voting themselves "for the glory" and ABANDON SHIP IMMEDIATELY.

[Servant Berserker]

look

if you had

one shot

or one opportunity

to seize everything you ever wanted

one moment

would you capture it

or just let it slip

But you didn't want it, scumbag.

You said as much for 2 weeks, and now you're here.

Like I predicted.

Remember when you went "lol just lol" when I pointed out you being off wagon on your own vote as a bad sign.

And now you're suddenly here with 2 hours remainign?

[Servant Berserker]

If you flip town, I'm not gonna be mad, I'm gonna be relieved, lol.

But you won't.

[Servant Berserker]

Also, using "making me mad" as an incentive to vote for you is trying to polarize between you and I as a vote and distract from your scummy as fuck vote.

Someone else please get online.

[Servant Berserker]

Remember when you went "lol just lol" when I pointed out you being off wagon on your own vote as a bad sign.

And now you're suddenly here with 2 hours remainign?

this is a total last-minute impulse motivated by selfish desire, if i was scum concerned about locking it up i'd have selfvoted a long time ago and made my majority unassailable

Your majority wuold not have been unassailable and you saying this like it's prima facie true should clue people as to your intentions.

[Servant Berserker]

If you flip town, I'm not gonna be mad, I'm gonna be relieved, lol.

But you won't.

no i mean you'll be mad before that when you get ignored b/c of your incoherent spluttering

Uh huh.

[Servant Berserker]

Can we not do Assassin, lol.

That's the actual worst outcome on the board IMO.

Thank you. I for reals appreciate that you say it this time without thunderously proclaiming everyone on the assassin wagon is scum.

Obviously not everyone on the wagon is scum, and I didn't say that.

I said the wagon is bad news, mostly because it contains nearly 0 of my town reads.

also IDGAF if you appreciate it or not.

The sentiment remains. I feel like there are some reads overlap of mine vs your list from early this morning. Maybe there's more right than wrong in the overlap. One can hope! I hate to just totally discount a townread because of reads disagreements and playstyle clashes.

You wanna be townie friends?

Help me stop Assassin from winning for that 2 hours left self vote.

I might trust you after that.

[Servant Berserker]

FUCK IT

sorry avenger, i want the glory

VOTE: ASSASSIN

Gonna quote this on every page we go to so anyone who comes in sees this immediately and it's not lost in the bog.

Assassin should not win the vote today.

[Servant Berserker]

If we had just voted for foreigner none of this would be happening.

No one wants to vote Foreigner. At best I don't trust their reads to be able to choose 2 townies.

At worst they're actual scum.

[Servant Berserker]

Can we not do Assassin, lol.

That's the actual worst outcome on the board IMO.

Thank you. I for reals appreciate that you say it this time without thunderously proclaiming everyone on the assassin wagon is scum.

Obviously not everyone on the wagon is scum, and I didn't say that.

I said the wagon is bad news, mostly because it contains nearly 0 of my town reads.

also IDGAF if you appreciate it or not.

The sentiment remains. I feel like there are some reads overlap of mine vs your list from early this morning. Maybe there's more right than wrong in the overlap. One can hope! I hate to just totally discount a townread because of reads disagreements and playstyle clashes.

You wanna be townie friends?

Help me stop Assassin from winning for that 2 hours left self vote.

I might trust you after that.

If you trusted me for flipping on your command, that would actually freak me out harder than anything. Eventually flipping hard on a loud townie's command is/was kinda classic me-scum.

If you knew who I was, you'd learn quickly it's not really trust and more "if you're doing the things I want you to do, you exist within my circle of trust because you're killing who I want to kill".

I like to think I learned this trick from Fate. It doesn't matter who you work with, town or scum, if scum want to help you do pro town things more power to them.

And if they don't they can go into the "fuck you die" pile.

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker is successfully wigging me out a little.

I'm wigging you out? For not wanting to have someone I think is scum win?

lol?

[Servant Berserker]

If you knew who I was, you'd learn quickly it's not really trust and more "if you're doing the things I want you to do, you exist within my circle of trust because you're killing who I want to kill".

I like to think I learned this trick from Fate. It doesn't matter who you work with, town or scum, if scum want to help you do pro town things more power to them.

And if they don't they can go into the "fuck you die" pile.

p sure i know which is why i'm worried you're going to be a pain to work with if you're town (likely)

I'm going to have my own opinions either way.

I'm sure you're the kind of player who would love it if people just did what you said and you got to run the game front to back, but i'm not interested in it?

Like, even if you ARE town when you win this vote, I'm not just gonna do what you say.

That I imagine is your form of "work with" yeah?

I mean, you ARE trying to win the "I will die in 2 days" vote here.

[Servant Berserker]

Like, even if you ARE town when you win this vote, I'm not just gonna do what you say.

This seems a bit hypocritical from what you said earlier.

Which was what, again?

[Servant Berserker]

It doesn't matter who you work with, town or scum, if scum want to help you do pro town things more power to them.

And if they don't they can go into the "fuck you die" pile.

It seems like you expect people to work with you, and if they don't, you scumread them.
If Assassin wins the vote and is confirmed to be town, it seems a little hypocritical that you are going to refuse to work with him.
I'm not sure if that's the right word, but still.

1) I don't scumread people who don't work with me, but I do select people to die out of that group primarily at the beginning of the game. Notably, Moon Cancer is currently voting against my wishes and I'm 100 percent certain they are town.

While someone I thought was town, Caster, is doing mostly what I wanted (voting themselves) and I've soured.

My playstyle is more nuanced than you're describing.

2) It's not that I won't work with a confirmed town assassin, it's just that I get this expectation from their trolling at me that they're gonna just want to lay down their own law and I'm not interested in being dictated to by an innocent child.

[Servant Berserker]

Assassin (6):

Moon Cancer

, Alter Ego,

Lancer

,

Rider

,

Assassin

, Archer
Avenger (4):

Avenger

,

Berserker

, Beast, Saber

Darker blue = stronger townreads.

Fucks sakes we might genuinely be on the same page minus Assassin.

All those dark blue names are town for me.

But you're NOT town for me.

... so i'm either totally directed in a bad way, or you're town?

or option 3 you're distancing but day 1 no connections let's not go down that path...

[Servant Berserker]

Yo, AE.

Why are you supporting Assassin again?

[Servant Berserker]

All right. I'm going to throw out a list of names. If there's a gun to your head, is that person town or scum? Don't hedge, no null reads, no IDK, no leans, just pick one or the other, say the first thing that comes to your mind.

MOON CANCER
LANCER
BEAST
RULER

TOWN
SCUM
TOWN
TOWN

[Servant Berserker]

Also, looks like Assassin was town, which is nice.

I'm relieved to have been wrong, but it does mean I should maybe reevaulate my low end.

[Servant Berserker]

Also, looks like Assassin was town, which is nice.

I'm relieved to have been wrong, but it does mean I should maybe reevaulate my low end.

[Servant Berserker]

Okay, next set of names:

RIDER
SHIELDER
CASTER
ARCHER

TOWN
TOWN
SCUM
SCUM

[Servant Berserker]

Final set of names, thank you all for participating. Ideally this would be done with more participants but MS isn't really conducive to live posting, only wish I'd thought of it sooner after the flip. p-edit: Glad to have you join us, Berserker!

SABER
AVENGER
ALTER EGO
BERSERKER
FOREIGNER

Uhhhh god.

TOWN
TOWN
TOWN
TOWN
TOWN

[Servant Berserker]

How many people actually think Ruler is scum in a scenario where a gun isn't being held to your head?

Looking for people actively scum reading that slot rathet than just not town reading.

Honestly I have the same reads even without the gun to my head. Even though you think I am altering my reads out of fear of being shot in this game I am not, those are just my reads.

Let's be honest people only have 3-4 scum reads in a forced environment which is odd, we have to pull the trigger on some people we are unsure about eventually. Please do not look at the first letter of each sentence in this post.

I have to say I'm finding the data interesting and somewhat startling on tabulating it, although that may partly be a consequence of a drawn out phase 0 with a lack of meaningful pressure. I'll be working on compiling some notes in the meantime. I don't mean to be a high and mighty dictator commanding everyone who to vote but for now I'd like to comply with Avenger's request to settle on an elimination target by the time he can submit his action. However, this will not be settled on hasty impulse but a measured evaluation of what has transpired so far. Rushing decisions based on surface impressions is what loses games and I do not want that to be a part of my leadership.

I'd like to murder Caster.

[Servant Berserker]

No respect, I tell ya.

[Servant Berserker]

ok now that the game has begun you will likely see me being a bit different. i had no particular interest in being mastered. while i historically frequently get scumread early (especially as town), i rarely get lynched (especially as scum). put me in the hotseat. i will say that at this point im very much lhf, and so im a bit skeptical of people who dont have a better guess at where scum is than me.

I know most people in this game just want to wad you up like a ball of paper and toss you in the trash, but if you are in fact town it is very important that you step up to the table and start start to play in a way that helps us out. The way you have acted so far gives off the impression of someone who is not terribly concerned with actually looking for scum. This is terribly frustrating for the rest of us. If you could try to give me a few words on who you suspect and why I would give it a read with an open mind. You are the only one capable of saving yourself from a swift execution here.

Do you also want to kill Shielder?

I feel like they're town.

[Servant Berserker]

@Yes.
plus they’re unkillable for 2 days.

Tell me, do you want to get voted for master? If so, why? Use innuendo.

Well, I obviously wouldn’t mind being IC’d. If you’re asking me to make a case as to why I deserve it more than anyone else, my only answer is I know I’m town and then I would be confirmed.

I’m overwhelmed by all of the mech talk and don’t feel I yet have a confident grasp on this game., so if confidence in clearly understanding the gamestate is what’s needed to convince enough people I’m town here. I don’t see that happening yet unfortunately. :/

This is genuine frustration. The kind of genuine frustration that is context proven by their mass questioning of the rules and trying to grasp it in thread. The kind of questioning that makes you look weak and gives up positioning in an anon game and makes you an easy target due to a lack of confidence.

I guess my question is why does a scum player post this? Is this a gambit to try and gain towncred by refuge in... stupidity? I just don't see the angle here. And if they WERE scum, these questions could be answered in their PT instead of this thread... so there's no reason to do it here unless it has an angle.

So not only does it read genuine, it also has town motivation.

Combine this with their surrounding posts complaining about not being able ot use meta, struggling with the master election mechanic this game has and generally floundering (which put them in this spot) I don't care if you're bad scum, there's just no way I can see a scum player deciding to end up here.
-

I am emphatically stating I would like to be the choice today.
Assassin says he doesn't NOT want it.
I want it hands up, frantically waving.

Assassin has trust issues and I have trust issues with anyone but me getting it.

@Pedit: thanks assassin.

uhhhh

been reviewing ISOs for science and i decided my issues with archer were probably stylistic, sort of unconfortable with how many people seem to be scumreading them? i think they'd do a good job

VOTE: archer

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

so i think my top townreads are saber beast and alter ego. berserker is town probs too. VOTE: saber

Small comment to make here that this post resembles critical thinking that I would expect a townie to perform if they felt behind and noticed something they thought was weird. I will talk about their reads with the next quote.
-

Shielder is just having contrarian reads for the lols because they're scum

this is a bad post. throwing shade without asking any questions or trying to drive the game or scumhunt genuinely.

Here's where they confirm their reasoning for the reads existing matches up with my read on why they did it. They are doing the thing they are accusing Caster of not doing. They are attempting to get invested in the game and find reads, and Caster looks a lot worse in this exchange because I whole heartedly agree that Caster is hopping on wounded prey here and calling it "contrarian" without having any real justification for it. Nowhere is it asked to Shielder WHY they think Saber Beast and AE are town.

This exchange should be + Shielder and - Caster for anyone who reads it, IMO.

i feel like caster is scum. i also think that foreigner is scummy for driving paranoia in townies.

A follow up showing cognitive consistency. The townie who was lost has found a piece of meat to sink their teeth into.. and are now branching out into other places to prod. This is more town motivated posting. Scum doesn't make this post because what value does it serve attacking Foreigner here this late with everyone townreading them.

for me, it's different, i've been upsetti spaghetti at Foreigner since minute 1, so I have some doubts and they're established. If you're going ot fake doubts NOW, why start THERE. No sense in it from a scum perspective.

I think it's completely possible scum decided to just be as town as they can manage and hope the master lands on them. I also think it's entirely possible that they are campaigning because they're Avenger.

this to me is subtle driving at paranoia: "dont trust your townreads, theyre probably scum"

This is a big lightbulb moment as well. Just more good posting. I don't even fully necessarily AGREE with Shielder on their assessment here, but it's clear where they got this assessment from, and it was naturally created. More cognitive consistency= Town again.

I just don't see how people can read these posts and think Shielder is scum, tbh.

[Servant Berserker]

Oh, this has nothing to do with anything, but now that I am confirmed town, I can say it would have been an absolutely sick strategy to have dueling scum wagons on Day 0. That feels like it would mess people up real bad. (I very much do not think this happened, I think the mafia team wanted out of the limelight). Just wanted to get that silly little irrelevant thought out there.

...I really need to go to sleep.

Read my post before you go and tell me what you think.

... you're getting a rare treat out of me. You're getting to make me Town case someone. I never explain my town reads. NEVER.

I think it's anti town garbage.

But, this is a special circumstance, so.

[Servant Berserker]

This is genuine frustration. The kind of genuine frustration that is context proven by their mass questioning of the rules and trying to grasp it in thread. The kind of questioning that makes you look weak and gives up positioning in an anon game and makes you an easy target due to a lack of confidence.

I guess my question is why does a scum player post this?

I'd give this line of thinking more credence if Shielder's post wasn't in direct response to a rather blunt question.

Read the context of the question and please not it is not "why do you want to be" it's "do you want to be?" which should tell you all you need to know about how much Shielder knew and was trying to grasp this game.

It's frustration. It's townie frustration. The question is only adding here, not taking away.

Tell me, you think Shielder is scum then?

I've yet to see one good argument for why they are scum.

[Servant Berserker]

The kind of genuine frustration that is context proven by their mass questioning of the rules and trying to grasp it in thread.

See, when Shielder v1 wrote what he wrote in the game thread about the rules, my first and only thought on it was: "why not use the notes PT to ask the mod that?"

Because, you know, if I were interested in the answer to that, I'd ask the one who *made the rules*

(I am aware not everyone thinks like this, which frustrates me to no end, but asking it publicly doesn't give me good feelings about it being a genuine thought process.)

This logic seems inverted, isn't it?

Your logic would make sense if this player thought, for some reason, this action would make them look more town and thus is scum gaining town cred.

But in what universe does playing "detatched and uncertain" do that here? Especially with Master phase being as it is?

I just don't get the motivation for scum to do this. If you say townies should ask the mod, why wouldn't scum use their PT?

At least townies have the argument that they want to ask the thread because ??? asking the mod forbidden kappa

Scum has 0 reason to do this. None. It's less than neutral. It costs you town cred and town control.

[Servant Berserker]

Oh, this has nothing to do with anything, but now that I am confirmed town, I can say it would have been an absolutely sick strategy to have dueling scum wagons on Day 0. That feels like it would mess people up real bad. (I very much do not think this happened, I think the mafia team wanted out of the limelight). Just wanted to get that silly little irrelevant thought out there.

...I really need to go to sleep.

Read my post before you go and tell me what you think.

... you're getting a rare treat out of me. You're getting to make me Town case someone. I never explain my town reads. NEVER.

I think it's anti town garbage.

But, this is a special circumstance, so.

Well, given circumstances I think it's worth reading. I looked it over and it's very intriguing. Will say I'm far from tunnelvisioned here and want to assess several players before doing anything, time permitting.

I mean you're just one vote, if a particularly loud one.

You know where I stand today. I want to see Caster hit the floor.

Everywhere you look there's - Caster interactions. Shielder is just another example.

Shielder feels very much like what scum was doing while the Master Phase was happening.

People fought over that, and scum setup Shielder as the first vote to the point where it feels defacto.

With that argument in mind, I think we should, no matter what, not go down that road today.

I think literally ANY OTHER VOTE is more information positive than Shielder vote.

[Servant Berserker]

Your logic would make sense if this player thought, for some reason, this action would make them look more town and thus is scum gaining town cred.

But in what universe does playing "detatched and uncertain" do that here? Especially with Master phase being as it is?

Because scum wouldn't have "become an IC" if they got selected. The implication from Shielder's first post (that I think was more likely deliberate than not) was that it was town asking the question.

???

I'm sorry is your argument here that... they make this post to try and create some kind of faked perspective slip to confirm themselves?

Please tell me I'm misreading what you're saying here. That's so fucking ludicrous if that's what you're saying.

[Servant Berserker]

That is indeed what I'm saying I think Shielder v1 attempted to do.

Holy shit.

Do you believe in Q Anon too? How about Chem Trails?

[Servant Berserker]

When you hear hoof beats, think horses not zebras, please.

That is a level of 4D chess that I cannot imagine scum would think is their BEST FUCKING GAMBIT coming into a game like this.

Especially since they did nothing to try and sell it to anyone.

Can you provide substantiating evidence to support your claim that this was their intention?

[Servant Berserker]

Let's put it this way. The question Shielder asked about was probably the LEAST confusing part of this setup. But that's the only question Shielder asked publicly.

so you think scum was overwhelmed and decided to ask in public rather than PT or PM to the mod? if you're serious about pursuing this argument, please walk us through it in detail. i'm gonna go make some popcorn while i wait.

pedit: i think this is probably a waste of time, and probably also a waste of limited post space. but feel free to make your case if you really want.

God, if you think this is a waste of time, remind me to teach you something later on, once I know who tf you are.

No, we're making huge headway here. I might be the literal only person in the town convinced you are town right now. don't mistake my loudness for you being in a good position.

This exchange is positive because we're getting to a level of conversation where I think people can look at this and see where I am pointing. Especially with Moon Logic over here playing conspiracy theorist.

[Servant Berserker]

As for you, Moon Unit, let's consider something. Why would someone start trying to understand a concept on post 320ish with its EASIEST TO UNDERSTAND METRIC?

Is it because:

A) They are lost and want to find a basis to begin from and then explore outwards, i.e confirm what they think to be true and then move forward

or

B) They are playing 4D Chess and trying to enrapture someone in a conspiracy theory to get them to town read them based on... triple inverted logic that they cannot force that person to have.

[Servant Berserker]

Horses, not Zebras.

There is only one version of events that makes behavioural sense for the player in the shielder slot, and it's my version. I may lack nuance on details, but I don't lack perspective.

Do you have any

OTHER

reasons why you think Shielder is scum, Moon Runes?

[Servant Berserker]

I'm not making a case, just pointing out what I think was a flaw in Berserker's reasoning for calling you town.

I've already acknowledged that despite all the reasons it makes more sense as scum *attempting* to fake a town tell, town can also do some pretty stupid things that make no sense.

It's not why I think Shielder is scum, it just doesn't make me feel better about Shielder.[

/b]

Responding to the Red bit: Are you really out here saying all you are doing is trying to provide a counter argument to my reasons for them being town but you're not making a case? Like... what are you dign then? Just poking and seeing what sticks?

Responding to green: You've not responded to any of the things I've said, you've just doubled down on a conspiracy theory and made more and more confident reference to this being certainly what they would have done when it makes no behavioural or motivational sense.

Responding to Orange: You have other reasons for thinking Shielder is scum then? List them. I want to hear it. Because right now, your current stand point is hopping into a defense of Shielder to provide an unlikely counter argument that doesn't have good odds if only for the sake of discrediting it, but then backing down when challenged to stand up for it. It feels like a hit and run dispersion tactic and I'm not impressed.

If you have reasons to think Shielder is scum, I wanna know them now, Moon Logic.

[Servant Berserker]

The last thing I'm going to say on this subject before I retreat to my mind palace is:

Why was that the only question that Shielder v1 asked PUBLICLY if he found the setup confusing? Do you think it's just a coincidence that the only question he asked happened to be one that implied something about his alignment?

Holy shit Third and Final time.

If this is not the "extent of why you think Shielder is scum"

THEN WHY DO YOU THINK SHIELDER IS SCUM

You mentioned it so it's in your mind right?

Should be easy enough for you to give me a cliffs notes RIGHT THE FUCK NOW

[Servant Berserker]

[Servant Berserker]

Wait, berserker I was just reading the few pages I missed and you think Moon cancer is 100% town?
Why?

Oh it's slipping now, trust me.

Moon Logic over here running away from these last few pages of conversation and throwing shade like they did is a huge - - - on their internal ranking.

My initial thinking they were town was just the way they handled the convo you rider and them had about Rider not giving his reads list?

God they looked so fucking town then.

[Servant Berserker]

Before I get into reading the 5-6 pages since day start. AE can I get your thoughts on the eod movement onto Assassin (haven't read how that developed yet either).

I'm specifically interested in what you think it means for the three slots vying for master and the slots that moved votes. I want to pick someone else's brain on the macro.

Can we get your thoughts before we get the confirmed town's thoughts?

Thanks.

[Servant Berserker]

.... wait I'm so sorry.

I thought It said assassin twice

[Servant Berserker]

I need to go to bed. You're fine. I thought you were asking confirmed town Assassin to answer that macro question before you shared which is a...

no.

but I'm the no.

I WAS THE NO THE WHOLE TIME

[Servant Berserker]

Dude I'm kind of honoured that my name has been used as a verb twice on the last page by two different people.

I'm so official.

[Servant Berserker]

So we're organizing this vote because Avenger has a vote prediction ability and we want to activate it?

Can I get details on the mechanics of this ability? Not what it does, but how we activate it? Like... how long before the death do you need to submit it?

[Servant Berserker]

I worded it exactly as specified.

Within the first 48 hours of the day phase I have to PT Cabd a message with the name of a player that is going to die by elimination within that particular day phase.
If it's not within the first 48 hours it doesn't work. But they can be eliminated whenever during the day phase.

God....

Is Cabd insane enough to do....

[Servant Berserker]

No I gotta put that out of my mind for now.

[Servant Berserker]

That's so cheesy.

Look I'm really tired and my brain is going "RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE".

I have you as solid town, LET ME BE PARANOID OKAY

[Servant Berserker]

So you have no objections to archer, Berserker?

My objection is that I prefer Caster first, and am less certain about Archer, but I think that given

every player but Caster has marked Archer as scum

(minus Moon Logic and Ruler) I feel as if this may tell us more information ANYWAY?

So.... yeah I'm chill.

[Servant Berserker]

My rage meter is RECHARGING.

ME ONLY PROTECC ONE PLAYER EACH DAY GRRR

[Servant Berserker]

Vote: Archer

[Servant Berserker]

I want to kill Caster now, please.

[Servant Berserker]

some of you may have noticed that i was not on the archer wagon. i could have been on the archer wagon, but had i been those of you inclined to think im scum would have thought i was simply bussing. I dont think there was much to be learned from me being on the wagon, so i sat it out (despite it being on someone i stated a scumread on pretty early). whats interesting is who else was off-wagon. i think the elim was kinda inevitable so scum could easily have bussed, yet most of my scumreads were off-wagon. interesting.

Jesus Christ

Okay, so, when this game ends and I find out who you are

remind me to teach you how to play town, specifically the lesson of "how not to say stupid scummy shit that makes people want to murder you".

Seriously.

[Servant Berserker]

That's a thought berserker.
Hold it for a bit.
Or don't lol.

MY RAGE HAS RECHARGED.

FULLY OPERATIONAL.

[Servant Berserker]

Avenger.

This is not a road worth pursuing if you value your life.

There is no way in the seven hells I am letting anyone try and murder Shielder right now after I just diverted a defacto vote off them and then Assassin slam dunked a vote on Archer right after.

I told you it was a scum driven vote and it WAS. It's not happening. 0 percent chance.

[Servant Berserker]

Shielder was setup as a defacto vote for Day 1 through the entire master voting phase. That setup was done by scum. Archer participated in it.

WE ARE NEVER DOING SHIELDER TODAY NO MATTER HOW BAD THEY LOOK.

Shielder is not a vote we even begin to CONSIDER until after Day 2. After Day 3, even, depending on how many scum we murder.

[Servant Berserker]

i feel like i wasnt ever very good at town, so apologies since it seems that hasnt changed since playing mafia again. please do message me postgame and offer coaching. advice, feedback, and criticism will be well-received. well i think my reads are generally ok, but most people strongly scumread me when i play town.

Oh.
You're self aware.

LIKE DUH

THEY HAVE 0 FILTER.

HOW OBVIOUS IS THIS?

[Servant Berserker]

Adding multiple levels of self awareness doesn't magically make it townie. Scum bait out experience levels all the time on anon accounts, and I feel the only argument in his favor is his scummy actions are a result of a lack of experience.

If it was a stupid thought process that bad players actually think, sure why not. But no one goes "haha time to not vote my scum read because it won't breed good information".

You don't think the non-confident townie who is super worried about fucking up isn't constantly thinking about how to not look scummy, and then bringing it up asking if that was okay to do!?!

YOU THINK THAT PATTERN MATCHES WRONG? YOU THINK THAT'S SCUM, REALLY?

God.

[Servant Berserker]

day 0 i felt strongly that caster was scum. day 1 i felt kinda weakly that caster might be town. im not sure how i feel about placing a vote on caster atm. definitely not my first choice, id prefer to go for someone like rider.

You make me want to pay you on the head and say "Oh honey..." In a reassuring motherly voice everytime you post.

Just join your counter wagon like a good puppy

omg you UNDERSTAND

SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS

[Servant Berserker]

Shielder was setup as a defacto vote for Day 1 through the entire master voting phase. That setup was done by scum. Archer participated in it.

WE ARE NEVER DOING SHIELDER TODAY NO MATTER HOW BAD THEY LOOK.

Shielder is not a vote we even begin to CONSIDER until after Day 2. After Day 3, even, depending on how many scum we murder.

Sure, there are other scum to find.
I don't think the scum team are team players tbh. Archer was pretty much left to rot.

I think Caster-Archer interactions are exactly what I expect from this scum team. I've been thinking it since yesterday and I really think there's some distancing going on and I just

I wanna see Caster die, tbh

[Servant Berserker]

Shielder was setup as a defacto vote for Day 1 through the entire master voting phase. That setup was done by scum. Archer participated in it.

WE ARE NEVER DOING SHIELDER TODAY NO MATTER HOW BAD THEY LOOK.

Shielder is not a vote we even begin to CONSIDER until after Day 2. After Day 3, even, depending on how many scum we murder.

Sure, there are other scum to find.
I don't think the scum team are team players tbh. Archer was pretty much left to rot.

I think Caster-Archer interactions are exactly what I expect from this scum team. I've been thinking it since yesterday and I really think there's some distancing going on and I just

I wanna see Caster die, tbh

Can you elaborate on this?

Sure. I feel like Archer has known they were going to die since around the late time of the Master Selection phase. And especially during GTH.

I don't think it's coincidence Caster is the only one who thought they were town while Archer had Caster as scum. I think that is an EXTREMELY WEIRD place for those 2 to end up on each other with how the game had gone up to that point.

[Servant Berserker]

Oh yeah, this also means I doubt the scumteam have another role like Archers on their team, right?

So all we need to do is have whoever has our town protective role target Assassin N2 and we'll get another IC is alive day, which is super nice.

I think that role was meant to prevent a doctor on IC loop problem but.... I think we are in a super winning spot as a result.

[Servant Berserker]

Did you address defending Archer yet Saber?

I am not sure what you mean by this. Are you referring to my prior head or my unnervedness about how easy the Archer wagon was?

Shielder was setup as a defacto vote for Day 1 through the entire master voting phase. That setup was done by scum. Archer participated in it.

WE ARE NEVER DOING SHIELDER TODAY NO MATTER HOW BAD THEY LOOK.

Shielder is not a vote we even begin to CONSIDER until after Day 2. After Day 3, even, depending on how many scum we murder.

Sure, there are other scum to find.
I don't think the scum team are team players tbh. Archer was pretty much left to rot.

I think Caster-Archer interactions are exactly what I expect from this scum team. I've been thinking it since yesterday and I really think there's some distancing going on and I just

I wanna see Caster die, tbh

Can you elaborate on this?

Sure. I feel like Archer has known they were going to die since around the late time of the Master Selection phase. And especially during GTH.

I don't think it's coincidence Caster is the only one who thought they were town while Archer had Caster as scum. I think that is an EXTREMELY WEIRD place for those 2 to end up on each other with how the game had gone up to that point.

So to ensure I got this straight you find

Caster TRs Archer
Archer SRs Caster a weierd place for both parties?

Archer faking a scumread on Caster doesn't gain Archer much if they're partners. It doesn't divert suspicion as practically no one else was TRing Archer. It reminds the thread how abnormal it is to townread Archer. That doesn't feel like a planned bus to me.

I do, infact, find that weird for both parties, yes.

[Servant Berserker]

Adding multiple levels of self awareness doesn't magically make it townie. Scum bait out experience levels all the time on anon accounts, and I feel the only argument in his favor is his scummy actions are a result of a lack of experience.

If it was a stupid thought process that bad players actually think, sure why not. But no one goes "haha time to not vote my scum read because it won't breed good information".

well you'd be right if the archer elim wasnt inevitable. if we were in the scumhunting phase then my vote should be on scummy people. but archer was getting elimed there 100%. so it doesnt really matter whether i vote there or not.

But you just fucking said the composition was important
I can't deal with this person they're like a caricature of a scum aligned player

Man, doesn't the tone of this post read like someone who is mad that Shielder was not killed for looking so bad?

Mad they're losing to someone who is playing like Shielder?

lol

[Servant Berserker]

Vote: Caster

[Servant Berserker]

Like, I don't need to explain this do I?
Berserker is wrong. If I'm wrong, then you can laugh at me for being ignorant but that FOS into side vote is classic scum. It's so scummy it hurts. It goes beyond "seeming like scum" and into the realm of "virtually indistinguishable from scum"

Willing to bet your life on it?

[Servant Berserker]

Due to rules I can't accept the bet and I can be wrong.
But 1 scum for 1 town isn't bad.

I'm telling you that if we do shielder and shielder flips town, I'm holding you personally responsible and you will die.

You don't need to agree to let yourself die, you just need to know that is what happens if you vote there. It's on no one else, just you.

[Servant Berserker]

Cool.

Better hope we're not all town then, my dude. Which I suspect we are.

[Servant Berserker]

Yeah, that's gunna be a tragedy if I'm wrong here.

You ARE wrong here, and I'm not backing down from murdering you even though I'm certain you're town after.

Princple of the matter.

[Servant Berserker]

Lancer?

Moon Cancer has slipped a lot.

I'm concerned about a few others but, it's mostly that.

[Servant Berserker]

Hey, checking in but a bit busy rn

[Servant Berserker]

Assassin

If I said I thought the remaining team was something like...

Caster/Moon Runes/Foreigner

Would you trust me?

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker, why did V2 shielder lie about their role pm?

Why did the player whose logic to avoid being voted was "Let me avoid voting on the obvious scum wagon because it'll be too scummy if I get on, and then tell everyone that was my thought process" lie about their role pm?

Likely a similar logic point.

I cannot see a good argument for how scum plays like this. This player, if you'll notice, was asked by me if they wanted help learning how to play after this game ended.

A thing I plan on taking up with them, given they SAID YES.

Now, consider this.

A player who is open to coaching and knows they are playing badly/are uncomfortable with the game.

If they have access to a scum QT.

Why are they not using it to be told what to say and how to react?

They're not scum. They simply cannot be scum here. I do not have faith Taylor Swift has enough 6D chess moves in them to fake this.

They are simply inexperienced and trying their best not to die, and in the act of doing this, made bad choices thinking it would help them not die.

It's as simple as that.

[Servant Berserker]

I feel like shit, I don't want to play this game, so I lurk out for a bit of time, and every time I give this thread any amount of space we shift away from doing the right things like eliminating Shielder.
To doing awful things like listening to the biggest reach case by Berserker on them being town?

At least if you miselim someone that wasn't Caster I could at least lurk through the miselim knowing I probably wouldn't have let the slot live long term anyway.

Like

If your goal is to make my life more miserable any time I call you or caster scum

and then turn around and bitch and whine and moan about your lack of motivation to play the game

then I have an easy solution for you. You literally

don't need to play

[Servant Berserker]

Like seriously making it my fucking problem that you don't wanna play is a shitty emotional burden to put on me.

You just said you don't wanna play. So either fucking stop doing this garbage or don't play then.

[Servant Berserker]

i was going to try to do some goodposting tomorrow but now i feel buried under assassin having decreed my death and i don't feel like it anymore

I am just one voice, the only difference is people know the color of my role. If people decide they still want to vote Shielder, I would go there gladly.

My dude if you let this town kill Shielder and they flip town I'm honestly going to lose my fucking mind.

[Servant Berserker]

I scum read Berserker irl.

Avenger, I've had this shit said to me this game.

And followed up with this player saying publicly that they don't wanna play while in the same breath yet again disparaging my play.

IDGAF if you think I'm not supposed to be "responsible for how someone feels". I've been attacked as a person once before by this person in this game, and every time I scum read them, something like this fucking happens and I'm done with it.

I am asking them to stop doing this shit or leave. I think that's fucking reasonable and I don't appreciate being told by you that I need to hit a reset button for a reasonable request to not feel like I have to deal with someone commenting on me personally in a mafia game.

Thanks!

[Servant Berserker]

Or are we just gonna say it's fine and dandy to call someone scum, not referring to their alignment, but their character.

You chill with that?

[Servant Berserker]

Personally my approach would probably be awkwardly bury them while staying at the very backline of the wagon.
I wouldn't want to be the center piece of pushing them down because I think that would be negative attention.

Although I would never defend them either, this is mainly due to my reads as scum to just be a mirror of town conensus using my own made up reasoning.

Do you see someone doing this?

More importantly, how does this logic vibe with your scum read on me?

[Servant Berserker]

Guys I'm not even remotely trying to hide who I am.

I was invited to play this game, I didn't know it was anon until after, I'm just playing as myself, no diggity.

Like, you can't say who I am but if you think you know, feel free to use that to shape your assumptions, IDGAF.

[Servant Berserker]

Why do you write like that berserker?

Like, answering this question feels like I'd start talking about myself and that might be too much.

Call it a mental requirement, lol

[Servant Berserker]

I doubt Berserker is scum. I just wouldn't be at all surprised if Berserker has exactly zero correct scum reads.

Archer was already on my scum list literally from the Master phase.

And one of the 3 people I named during GTH.

Kindly eat a dick, lol

[Servant Berserker]

(I'm pretty much going to ignore anyone who says "I was right about Archer" as a defense of their reads, btw.)

Okay well, how about we test my reads by killing Caster and seeing what happens.

=)

[Servant Berserker]

Huh, why don't you think Shielder is scum?
Did I miss it?

VOTE: Lancer

*shiver*

Why, when you get the twitches at Caster, you vote LANCER?!

[Servant Berserker]

There's always a chance for re-evaluation down the line if a flip gives me reason to re-think. Don't want to feel like I'm beating down on you I just have fairly strong reads elsewhere. Promise to be more open about it tomorrow.

VOTE: Shielder

Fine going here today tbh. Like I said earlier nothing in in the archer/shielder interaction makes me want to clear one of them and I think shielder-swift was mostly bullshitting me with her answers.

I'm so fucking sad that you cased Caster so heavily and SAW THE TRUTH.

And now you're voting a townie.

More than voting a townie, you're voting the "defacto increase apathy" vote.

WHY

[Servant Berserker]

There's always a chance for re-evaluation down the line if a flip gives me reason to re-think. Don't want to feel like I'm beating down on you I just have fairly strong reads elsewhere. Promise to be more open about it tomorrow.

VOTE: Shielder

Fine going here today tbh. Like I said earlier nothing in in the archer/shielder interaction makes me want to clear one of them and I think shielder-swift was mostly bullshitting me with her answers.

I'm so fucking sad that you cased Caster so heavily and SAW THE TRUTH.

And now you're voting a townie.

More than voting a townie, you're voting the "defacto increase apathy" vote.

WHY

I think both Caster and Shielder are mafia.

If you think they are both mafia, indulge me on Caster first.

Shielder can literally be put to death at any time. I'm the only one standing as an obstacle in that road.

Caster is a lot harder to kill.

We should do Caster if you think it is both.

[Servant Berserker]

hey berserker do you have any thoughts about anything that's not me or shielder

Remember when a bunch of you made fun of me for suggesting You/Moon Unit/Foreigner as a scum team not like 10 pages ago?

The fuck does this comment come from. You think I really don't have other thoughts when I'm saying shit like that?

Assassin, come on dude look at this post, look at the misrep and attempt to discredit.

This isn't TOWN.

[Servant Berserker]

to answer more directly

AE, Beast, Rider are my top town reads not named Assassin.

I have my bottom 3 scum in those 3 above, and Lancer is a bit of a wildcard.

I need more from new Ruler to make more judgement but my prior take was "town".

Lol, I have thoughts on everyone, It's just I'm not wasting my time diversifying and confusing town, I only want one person dead today.

[Servant Berserker]

YOU'RE ALL STUPID.

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

[Servant Berserker]

Anyway, now that I've chastised you all for ever thinking Shielder was scum.

Moon Cancer, claim your full action list from last night including results from abilities. Or die.

[Servant Berserker]

It's not related to a roleblock.

I won't be more specific.

Last chance.

[Servant Berserker]

Moon Cancer, claim your full action list from last night including results from abilities. Or die.

There's a third option. I ignore you and don't die.

It sounds like Berserker is saying he did something with your action that he suspects lead to the no-kill

I am a she. This was clarified and the mod made a point of it.

Thanks.

[Servant Berserker]

I'm sorry for yesterday. That was a total faceplant on my part. I let the frustration from the wave of replacements get to me, and I stopped reading the game and evaluating properly. I think a big problem is that it wasn't until about 40 pages in until we started playing mafia properly. I think a lot of what went on on that first phase was totally arbitrary, and I tried to read too much into it.

I seriously need you to support me fucking once. Just once.

I need Moon Cancer's claim.

Like if you don't do this....

[Servant Berserker]

I'm sorry for yesterday. That was a total faceplant on my part. I let the frustration from the wave of replacements get to me, and I stopped reading the game and evaluating properly. I think a big problem is that it wasn't until about 40 pages in until we started playing mafia properly. I think a lot of what went on on that first phase was totally arbitrary, and I tried to read too much into it.

I seriously need you to support me fucking once. Just once.

I need Moon Cancer's claim.

Like if you don't do this....

Er, what do you want me to do exactly? Why do you need the claim? ~reasons~?

I need the claim based on my night action from last night.

They refuse to provide it.

I need you to ensure they do, but you're putting everything on Lancer.

So I'm kind of at a crossroads here. If you want to just ignore me AGAIN after ignoring me about shielder

a thing I got made fun of for being RIGHT ABOUT but who fucking cares right I'm just a moron

then fine. I'll go to 0 motivation, prod dodge the game away and you guys can try and win on your own.

I'm literally at the end of my fucking rope. I'm almost out of fucks to give about if this town wins or not.

[Servant Berserker]

here i'll make you a list

foreigner
avenger
moon cancer
rider
alter ego
---
beast=saber
berserker
lancer
ruler

Imagine having a reads list with me on the bottom after all you fucks lynched the most obvious townie in the game yesterday.

After I screamed not to.

[Servant Berserker]

Thanks, Caster.

Berserker, I'll acknowledge what you're saying. We'll get that info eventually. I'll admit I should have listened to you on shielder but I'm really not sure about any of your scumreads at this point.

CASTER.

MOON CANCER.

LANCER.



I SAID THIS YESTERDYA WHAT THE FUCK

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker, I think you should work on the assumption that I'm not going to tell you anything until you talk about why you think it's significant.

I have a guilty on you with a very small percent chance for a false positive.

So.

[Servant Berserker]

I mean, Lancer's at E-2, you should be happy, no?

Also if Caster's your top scumread why do you care if he scumreads you?

I don't care for me. I care for other people to see that and realize it's a ridiculous thing to believe and they're hiding behind my fervent belief they are scum to OMGUS back at me as a defense.

Because no one listens to me.

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker, I think you should work on the assumption that I'm not going to tell you anything until you talk about why you think it's significant.

I have a guilty on you with a very small percent chance for a false positive.

So.

I mean, Lancer's at E-2, you should be happy, no?

Also if Caster's your top scumread why do you care if he scumreads you?

Take a wild guess why I'm not happy.

[Servant Berserker]

Thanks for making me give EXTRA INFORMATION.

fucking hell

[Servant Berserker]

No, I know you said that (but foreigner instaed of lancer). And while I understand where you were coming from with the Caster scumread because I was following that myself I started to doubt it overnight, and I don't really see Moon or Foreigner as likely scum.

p-edit: okay, Moon needs to claim now

UNVOTE: Lancer

I mean I'm honestly happy to let you and Avenger lose this game at this point for the Shielder vote.

It's a genuine struggle to give a fuck rn.

[Servant Berserker]

No, I know you said that (but foreigner instaed of lancer). And while I understand where you were coming from with the Caster scumread because I was following that myself I started to doubt it overnight, and I don't really see Moon or Foreigner as likely scum.

p-edit: okay, Moon needs to claim now

UNVOTE: Lancer

I'll make this simple for you: you tell me what you think you know (my target(s), my ability name(s), etc) and I'll judge whether or not I care enough to clear up whatever misunderstanding you seem to have.

We both know you don't have a guilty on me.

There is quite literally nothing I did last night that would have given you any sort of guilty.

Feel free to fight the will of a town running you up. I don't give a fuck if you die without claiming.

[Servant Berserker]

Vote: Moon Cancer

[Servant Berserker]

I feel exactly zero need to explain and give this person a chance to fabricate something that could cause this.

Especially when the standard for something like this is you claim and then I validate or deny.

So we can run you up and we'll see if you're really okay being executed instead of claiming your full role and actions list and seeing what happens.

[Servant Berserker]

I feel exactly zero need to explain and give this person a chance to fabricate something that could cause this.

Especially when the standard for something like this is you claim and then I validate or deny.

So we can run you up and we'll see if you're really okay being executed instead of claiming your full role and actions list and seeing what happens.

can you promise me this is not a fake guilty

and i don't mean "i will take responsibility if i miss"

i mean don't be an awful townie who invents guilties

I can promise you if this was a roleblocker I'd be windmill slamming my claim. I have what amounts to a guilty but has false positive outcomes. Enough sufficient I'm concerned with claiming first.

If they claim and I no longer have a guilty, I'm not gonna continue onward and fake something at that point. For the moment though, I have what amounts to a guilty and unless they have a very specific subset of words to say to me regarding their full claim, they die today.

[Servant Berserker]

*shrug*

I'm not particularly concerned with your opinion about my play or whether you choose to play with me in future lol.

She clearly doesn't have any sort of guilty on me. If this town is dumb enough to run me up as a result of that, then I'm fine not being in this game.

and what exactly makes you so certain of that, yeah?

Do you know every subset of roles that could exist in this game? Do you know every interaction?

You're sitting here SO CERTAIN about this but you won't just claim to try and disprove me. You're that arrogant that you're more willing to DIE than you are to just claim and see if I have to retract?

[Servant Berserker]

Look, I know that what I did last night succeeded (as in hit any intended target(s) I intended to hit and gave me the expected outcome).

So yeah, there's no subset of roles I can possibly think of that could have not directly interfered with my action(s) AND given you any kind of guilty.

But go ahead and claim you have information to the contrary if you want.

That is not how this works.

I am asking you for.

Your Role Name
Character Name
Identifiers
Abilities
What you used last night
Who you used it on last night
What results you obtained

EVERYTHING.

Maybe my guilty has nothing to do with what you did last night. Maybe it does. I'm just not giving you any details and you fishing for info to try and contest like this only makes you look worse.

[Servant Berserker]

...is it an attribute thing? Tell me it's not an attribute thing at least.

It's not an attribute thing. I just said that to be thorough with my point.

[Servant Berserker]

In other words, I'm watching, but I don't know whether beserker should stick her neck out for this ultimatum or not.

At this point I don't care if they die. They know nothing about my role. I've been trying to disguise what I am literally all day to ensure their claim can't be tainted.

But at this point, it's obstanace for the sake of itself.

[Servant Berserker]

We also shouldn't execute until Assassin gives out the bonus and Avenger does their guess.

[Servant Berserker]

Also the fact that I could just claim to clear up the entire mess should tell you how weak her "guilty" actually is.

Yet people are treating it like a guilty.

But apparently I'm the one playing badly, haha.

YOU KNOW LITERALLY NOTHING ABOUT MY ROLE.

THIS ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW SHIT ONLY MAKES ME MORE CERTAIN YOU ARE SCUM.

IF CLAIMING WOULD REALLY CLEAR IT UP, AS TOWN YOU WOULD DO IT.

TRYING TO ESCAPE DEATH LIKE THIS WITHOUT CLAIMING IS NOT HAPPENING.

[Servant Berserker]

Oh, and not to mention I think I'm like the only one in this game that's 3/3 in terms of flips so far. Maybe. There may have been someone else? In any case, I'm yet to have an incorrect read, but I'm the one playing badly, haha.

Not claiming here is strictly wrong as town and makes you a fucking ego maniac.

This post only confirms the later half of that line more strongly.

[Servant Berserker]

So, let the discussions begin and you can do what you want in the way you think is best whenever you think is best @Berserker?

For me it's they claim or they die. If they're town, they'll claim. If they're not, they can die. I refuse to let someone get away with not claiming and behaving liek this and living. That's just -EV for town wins. If scum could dodge having to claim like this every time they wanted not to, town wouold lose so often.

[Servant Berserker]

Oh, and not to mention I think I'm like the only one in this game that's 3/3 in terms of flips so far. Maybe. There may have been someone else? In any case, I'm yet to have an incorrect read, but I'm the one playing badly, haha.

Hey now, archer doesn't count.

More importantly, are they really REALLY out here claiming they KNEW SHIELDER WAS TOWN THE WHOEL TIME

WHEN THEY DID NOTHING TO STOP IT

[Servant Berserker]

OK.

Just assume I'm not going to claim anything and be done with this day.

We both know you don't have a guilty. And we both know that you're not going to be humbled by being incorrect on every single read you have in this game (bar Archer, don't remind me you were one of the 13 players that were correct about Archer, please).

>Incorrect on every read
>Only person actively defending Shielder all Day 1.

Okay my dude. Okay.

[Servant Berserker]

Their attitude still doesn't feel like a sum attitude though

It's now neutral. They are not playing for an alignment thing. They're just playing to insult me.

It's whatever, I'm used to it. Let them fry.

[Servant Berserker]

I don't understand why you're baiting her though.

Because being asked to claim their role when someone investigates them is beneath them, apparently, and they've decided to take personal offense to me asking them to do a PRETTY STANDARD PLAY.

[Servant Berserker]

I don't react well to people doing what she's doing today.

I mean, how often does this not work out versus how often does it work out?

Works out almost every time. Huge +EV Town play. Having the day consumed by this fucking debacle, if we are both town, is -EV for Town and Moon Cancer's fault for being literally insufferably arrogant.

[Servant Berserker]

Like, literally, all you would have to do if you really had a guilty is say "he's lying" about anything I've said today and voila, you'd be done with this.

I have EXPLICITLY said that I know my action(s) went through, hit the intended target(s), I do not have a PT, no miller aspect of my role, nothing that would give you a guilty of any kind, etc etc.

If you had a guilty, you could just claim any one thing I've said there is untrue (including the fact that NOTHING in my role would give you a guilty - I am explicitly stating this).

We both know you don't have a real guilty.

So tell me why I should care about what you're doing right now.

NONE OF THOSE CLEAR UP THE PROBLEM, ASSHOLE.

OH WOW

I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DONT?!?!?!?!?!

THAT THOSE THINGS DON'T CLEAR YOU FROM MY ROLE?!?!?!

AS IF MY ROLE IS UNIQUE?

IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME?!?!?!?!?!?!?

fuck you

[Servant Berserker]

I mean, how often does this not work out versus how often does it work out?

To be fair, this is the first time it's been done to me - it's usually more me berating people for stupid secrecy and gambits they try on other people.

NONE OF THOSE CLEAR UP THE PROBLEM, ASSHOLE.

OH WOW

I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DONT?!?!?!?!?!

THAT THOSE THINGS DON'T CLEAR YOU FROM MY ROLE?!?!?!

AS IF MY ROLE IS UNIQUE?

IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME?!?!?!?!?!?!?

fuck you

OK. But this just drives the point I was making home.

You don't have a guilty on me, or you'd be able to say with absolute certainty that at least one of the things I've said is untrue.

This is false.

This is your utmost arrogance speaking. There are other roles that have other concerns about your role.

If you're so fucking confident I'm wrong, claim and we can fucking be done with this garbage.

[Servant Berserker]

You don't even need to out what you know, you just need to say that I'm lying about anything I've said.

But we both know you can't.

You may or may not be lying about anything you said.

Nothing you said MATTERS TO MY ROLE. My role only cares about ONE.
SPECIFIC.
THING.

[Servant Berserker]

Then you're lying.

You can die.

And if you turned out to be wrong about that above statement, it's not on me.

[Servant Berserker]

*shrug*

I mean, I'd rather be right and have my play seen as "bad" than have abysmal reads or think Berserker has a real guilty rofl.

We have had 3 people flip their alignments so far this game.

I've been right on 2 of them. I protected Shielder from the first vote and very nearly from the second too.

Where as you did literally nothing all of yesterday to impact the game.

But keep patting yourself on the back, honestly. Like, you can pretend to be as smart and clever and good as you like, but at least get the facts straight.

[Servant Berserker]

prove your intellectual superiority to me harder daddy

... I hate that I think you're scum because I've never felt more kinship with someone than I do right now.

Okay well, maybe with my husband. And a few others

But this is close.

[Servant Berserker]

Nothing about that was a personal attack. Just a statement of fact.

If you even spent two seconds thinking about it, you'd realise how obvious it is, given Berserker's insistence that I claim, even though I already said nothing about my role would give her a guilty.

Which should tell you she doesn't really have a guilty.

If you don't understand this and can't reason your way to this conclusion, you're probably not well-equipped for a game like this.

Alright, we've said enough times that you are apparently a mind reader for every role in existance.

So I'll play a game with you.

You name an investigative role that you think I could have, and why you can't be guilty WRT its results on you, and we'll see where we go from there.

I bet you can't name my role. lol.

[Servant Berserker]

Nothing about that was a personal attack. Just a statement of fact.

If you even spent two seconds thinking about it, you'd realise how obvious it is, given Berserker's insistence that I claim, even though I already said nothing about my role would give her a guilty.

Which should tell you she doesn't really have a guilty.

If you don't understand this and can't reason your way to this conclusion, you're probably not well-equipped for a game like this.

Also fuck off with this.

You're going around calling everyone stupid. It's a personal attack. You've done nothing but be a bad person since you got asked to claim.

At least own your shit, don't pretend you're being nice or something.

[Servant Berserker]

Bersker, you're currently 2/4, but I'm still 3/3 (I'll be generous and not count my own flip for the maths here).

So uh, 50% accuracy vs 100%. I guess you better hope you're right about Caster/Foreigner and I'm way off lol

(

I'm not claiming I pushed anything yesterday - it was never my intention to push anything yesterday, just be correct.

)

Also this line is as big an indictment of how you play mafia as anything. Literally.

You don't try to influence the game. You don't push anything or play. You just throw darts at the board (and be wrong on Shielder and Assassin) and then at the end you go "actually I changed my mind".

It's like you're playing mafia for the clout and intellectual superiority instead of trying to win the fucking game.

Which, like, if that's the case, maybe find a different game?

[Servant Berserker]

Or maybe you can be one of those kinds of players who comes into games they didn't even play in after the game and tells everyone how they knew the whole time who scum was and they were so much smarter and better than us.

I can't name names as to people who have done this, but I'm sure people have seen this kind of person before so.

[Servant Berserker]

Case in mother fucking point

you're more interested in not having to claim because that's BENEATH YOU

than claiming to possibly disprove my claim and help your alignment win.

You're more interested in the clout than you are the W.

that's attrocious

[Servant Berserker]

Berserker, I really don't care what your role is.

At best you're making some sort of assumption about something related to a night action last night. That could be anything. You could have a similar ability to my own.

I am pretty sure you're town and am 100% certain you have absolutely nothing that tells you anything about my alignment.

I do think you're horribly misguided in your assumptions. I don't care to clarify the matter.

I'm gonna ask you a point mother fucking blank question.

Are you a fucking Rolecop.

[Servant Berserker]

You still need to claim because that description still could trigger a false positive.

[Servant Berserker]

You have more than one role right?

One of those could have triggered it too, ftr.

[Servant Berserker]

at the risk of being revealing, i suspect that everybody has more than one role

Yeah so let me say this.

If I targetted myself with my role, I think I would get a false positive.

[Servant Berserker]

I'm kind of prod dodging, I threw up last night