mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Chemist1422]

[Chemist1422]

it's like

11 pm, and i'm only here by coincidence, so i haven't really read anything

i'll start catching up tomorrow but if there's anything immediate anyone wants my thoughts on/wants me to read i think i have a bit of time now

(also for those of you who knew me before my mini-hiatus uh hi i'm a girl now. so. she/they please, i won't stab you for getting it wrong but don't do it on purpose)

[Chemist1422]

Chemist, welcome. You might want to check out the transgender thread in the speakeasy.

i don't have speakeasy access

but if the ban thread is anything to go off of

well

okay i don't know where i was going with this thought but respect me or fight me, and i think we'd both prefer the former <3

(not directed at you just people in general)

[Chemist1422]

anyway I ISO'd gamma

i haven't really liked his pushes so far, there's a lot of aggression but it comes off as kind of strangely handled and mostly unproductive

@gamma
can you talk to me about your townreads this game? most of your posts seem to be aggressive, either pushing people or in self-defense

[Chemist1422]

okay thank you so much i'll check it out

anyway

i'll iso BH in the morning, will likely get more accurate results then

[Chemist1422]

i iso'd samantha and came away with a nullread and a vague sense of frustration

nice

[Chemist1422]

well okay then

[Chemist1422]

hi mena!

[Chemist1422]

hey can we n o t bring this back up

thanks

[Chemist1422]

i'm okay with voting gamma

what's the VC at

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: GE

2 remain.

[Chemist1422]

also question
i dont use l word but i like saying lylo, is that ok
elo sounds like matchmaking rank

lylo is explicitly a mafia term so that's

probably fine

[Chemist1422]

xylo/exlo always felt cool to me

[x] yeet or lose, [x] or lose/execute or lose

[Chemist1422]

Because the wagon went too fast and there were no counterwagons

There ARE counterwagons.
Jesus.

There were not until they were already at E-3. They’ve been at E-3 for half of this phase.

i don't think that's clearing?

could just be a failure for gamma's partners to be proactively pushing stuff until after they realized he was in trouble

[Chemist1422]

punt
yeet
chop
send to the shadow realm

all good alternatives

[Chemist1422]

okay

[Chemist1422]

hey gamma can you answer my questions from last night

also no hi rude

[Chemist1422]

just poweryeet gamma, I don't believe that claim at all

?

doesn't particularly move the needle for me either way

what's your issue with it

[Chemist1422]

okay well

there we go i guess

[Chemist1422]

we've done it gamers

[Chemist1422]

Good job, everyone. At least now I can sit back, relax, and meme this game.

~Buttercup

are you hectic

if so then how dare you not say hi to me

if not then how dare hectic not say hi to me

[Chemist1422]

Good job, everyone. At least now I can sit back, relax, and meme this game.

~Buttercup

are you hectic

if so then how dare you not say hi to me

if not then how dare hectic not say hi to me

Hey, Misty! When did you get here? Unless you've been really hard stealth lurking from the start and I haven't noticed you.

~Buttercup

i replaced in last night

hi hectic!

[Chemist1422]

nice

[Chemist1422]

nice

What is??

scum execute and public check

[Chemist1422]

nice

What is??

scum execute and public check

What about the two kills?? Doesn't that concern you in the least??

not particularly?

given how much pressure BH was receiving yesterday I figured it was a vig

[Chemist1422]

how do you guys feel on the shellyc slot

null d1

want to see where the replacement goes

[Chemist1422]

i'd always consider a scum exe for a tracker NK "nice"

the public cop is just the cherry on top

[Chemist1422]

how do you guys feel on the shellyc slot

null d1

want to see where the replacement goes

Did shelly request replacement??? I thought she was the replacement to samantha! Where did shelly request replacement?

replacement being shelly who hasn't posted

[Chemist1422]

it's a large team but still a size that I think makes it probable multiball. But I have seen a 4 man team in a 25 man game so take that for what it's worth.

also, this

[Chemist1422]

If it’s multiball trying to figure out why only one scum team is mentioned in day open and flip?

If it's MB I'd say the reason is we have "specific faction Cops", and -if so- then it's most likely the "other Cop" didn't act (again, most likely because they're EVEN NIGHT and this one is ODD NIGHT or something). The reason I'm suggesting this is because it'd be most strange to give one Cop a "Public Reporter" Modifier (is that what it's called) and not the other.

But that is IF it's MB at all.

i may steal this idea for a setup in the future

[Chemist1422]

i don't think the md claim is worth much tbh

actually i think it's more likely to be a fakeclaim than a legit guilty because tracker/MD in the same setup don't make a ton of sense

[Chemist1422]

2 observations as i catch up:

1. Assume Menalque was targetted by a Vig.
2. Why would a town faction daycop not target the claimed miller-masons? to get a double result

...you do realize the contradiction in this right

[Chemist1422]

2 observations as i catch up:

1. Assume Menalque was targetted by a Vig.
2. Why would a town faction daycop not target the claimed miller-masons? to get a double result

...you do realize the contradiction in this right

nope - indulge me?

who cops a miller claim

[Chemist1422]

okay so wait

if we have a faction cop and likely multiball

how does the miller claim hold up?

can one of the millers claim exactly how that passive works?

[Chemist1422]

OK, that's enough. O would have loved to wait longer, but I can't have the day ending (1) So abruptly, and (b) with a very likely miselimination

I am a Miller Mason

I won't out who else is (we obviously share a PT courtesy of being Masons), but I will point you out to my -rather obvious- crumb at the start if the game.

If you ISO me, you'd find I posted 3 videos in my opening 3 posts. The first one: "I'm a bitch, I'm a lover" is meant to crumb I am something and it's opposite. Bitch/Lover, Child/Mother, Sinner/Saint >>> Miller/Mason

The second video is a song by Steve

Miller

band, and the third is by Dave

Mason

.

Now here's what first caught my attention about Norwee

:

Claim Miller Mason, Daycop, scum. - I sleep
Claim VT - I triggered.

As I saw this I thought to myself "Who the freak thinks of Miller Mason out of the blue?" and given I was (still am) under the impression Scum either picked roles (but not whom they're assigned to)

OR

are heavily informed I deduced there may be a Day Cop in play (thought that might be [redacted] when they [redacted][redacted]). But anyway, that was when I started looking at Norwee more closely.

When Bell asked about the setup, some people ignored it, some questioned it, and some tried to put off the notion Scum had anything to do with roles or knowledge about them:

Titus

was one, but I can see Town!Titus not noticing, so that's probably NAI

PlusJOYED

did it, and in a way that I deemed fake

mastina

did it (albeit in more style as always) and coupled with her weird push on Gamma vs Norwee I am truly and utterly worried she might have rolled scum here

I have other suspects, but this issue doesn't play any part in my reads on them, so let me stop at this.

If forced to provide a scum pool (and not limit myself to a certain number like mastina does) I's bet all scum are in:

Spoiler:

Hah! You thought I'd be giving you a list of whom my brother Masons are not?? Silly you!

[Chemist1422]

from my experience with titus she's pretty well-known for her VCA

and i don't think d2 after a scum flip is a bad time for it

[Chemist1422]

from my experience with titus she's pretty well-known for her VCA

and i don't think d2 after a scum flip is a bad time for it

I agree the timing is good but the fact she didn’t take into account known information and wanted to set my biases from it is troubling. VCA becomes viable the moment a scum flip happens but must take into account all info.

I need to see what Mastina thinks given Titus’s hard defense.

i would wait for her to post her notes before making a judgement like this

[Chemist1422]

If it's a faction Cop (which it clearly isn't) it would only show the name of the faction each time they target someone.

But it is NOT a faction Cop, because it didn't tell us Norwee belongs to <faction name> but rather that he is NOT a given faction, which means it's a

specific

faction Cop that gets "Belongs to Army/Doesn't belong to Army".

how does your miller passive work

[Chemist1422]

masontina?

again?

[Chemist1422]

If it's a faction Cop (which it clearly isn't) it would only show the name of the faction each time they target someone.

But it is NOT a faction Cop, because it didn't tell us Norwee belongs to <faction name> but rather that he is NOT a given faction, which means it's a

specific

faction Cop that gets "Belongs to Army/Doesn't belong to Army".

how does your miller passive work

8 hours a day, 5 days a week, with half dental benefits. Does that suit you?

not at all but i doubt i'm getting any more from this line of questioning

[Chemist1422]

paranoia going off of 6 masons doesn't work because it's still fundamentally 4 clears even if town gets paranoid and flips someone in each group

unless it's like flipless mason which is what

[Chemist1422]

is this turning into an ARG or something

do i have to decode coordinates from the opening flavor to solve the game

[Chemist1422]

Pfft, this is nothing compared to Korina’s "Everything is a lie"

game?

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=81945

i won that game!

yes it was cancelled i still won

[Chemist1422]

titus, answer me something real quick

for my section of the vca did you initially type that up with chris's name there and just replace it with mine?

[Chemist1422]

@Chemist

Yes. That's what I do for all my VCAs. I copy VCs and replace subs. Why?

you said you wanted to question me about sheeping plusjoy onto BH but you haven't done anything to that end

that and you using the wrong pronouns clued me in on that so i figured i should bring it up for clarification

[Chemist1422]

@Chemist

Yes. That's what I do for all my VCAs. I copy VCs and replace subs. Why?

you said you wanted to question me about sheeping plusjoy onto BH but you haven't done anything to that end

that and you using the wrong pronouns clued me in on that so i figured i should bring it up for clarification

I apologize for using he pronouns.

I didn't have my notes in front of me. But since you're here, why did you sheep Plusjoy onto BH?

@Plusjoyed,

There are two masonries. Each has 3. Almost50 + superbowl + ?. Then there's Titus, Nero, and mastina.
I neighborized A50.

My point is that I didn't, chris did

And I don't have an answer for his actions

[Chemist1422]

god you guys post a lot

mastina
Nero Cain
Almost50
superbowl9
Titus
NorwegianboyEE
Chemist1422

shellyc
Bell
April Ludgate
MathBlade
Morning Mage
Tayl0r Swift
jjh927
Pickaxe Pete
PlusJOYED
DiamondSentinel
Something_Smart
DrDolittle
TheGoldenParadox

so if i read correctly there's 4 scum in the bottom list?

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: April

from a quick open of their ISO and ctrl+F of gamma i am now convinced

[Chemist1422]

Gamma’s town

Only one way to find out!

I don’t need to find out, I have a soul read.

also, maybe April Ludgate as a hard Gamma defender. although im not sold on that.

boon/april has in the past very much hard defended his buddies.

This is true.

I’ve also been on record unable to read Gamma correctly well over he past year despite my old soul reads

Well, I’m town who just unfortunately defended the person who’s been yelling at me for “incorrectly reading them”.

This is just another incorrect read for me on Gamma.

this

[Chemist1422]

god you guys post a lot

mastina
Nero Cain
Almost50
superbowl9
Titus
NorwegianboyEE
Chemist1422

shellyc
Bell
April Ludgate
MathBlade
Morning Mage
Tayl0r Swift
jjh927
Pickaxe Pete
PlusJOYED
DiamondSentinel
Something_Smart
DrDolittle
TheGoldenParadox

so if i read correctly there's 4 scum in the bottom list?

Yes, but Plus should be at the top. We don't know if you're town but fypov, yes.

that's not ordered within tiers i was just double checking the mech stuff

i think plus is probably town here

[Chemist1422]

I think Chemist's vote on April was very noncomittal in 3956 after he pulls out 3 quotes.
pickaxe pete is doing about the same as i am, but he's not really addressing the game as far as i can tell
mastina called FL guiltied scum

keep in mind this is based on the 20-30% of posts that i read

she and i do not understand this read

[Chemist1422]

also that pete read is probably just a perspective slip

VOTE: DDL

[Chemist1422]

like

I don't think "they are doing the same thing I am, therefore, they are scum for this reason" is ever a thought from a townie

[Chemist1422]

like

I don't think "they are doing the same thing I am, therefore, they are scum for this reason" is ever a thought from a townie

That's not what he said though.

oh i missed a word

UNVOTE: DDL

[Chemist1422]

i can read!

[Chemist1422]

april i mostly have you as scum because you claimed to have a soulread on gamma being town

gamma was not town

what exactly gave you that read on gamma?

[Chemist1422]

hey what

[Chemist1422]

TPG maybe

Pickaxe and Chemist imo

This is literally execute all lurkers

It's not but scum have every incentive to lurk here and pray for implosion. Chemist has a strong negative reaction.

He posts a small but effective April case and then he throws her a softball so he can get off the wagon.

Pete's a VCA and lurker lynch.

she not he

and my read on april hasn't really changed but the wagon's close to hammer so i dont want to move back yet

[Chemist1422]

you guys are posting way too much

but it's also probably partially my own fault for being lazy about following

i'm gonna go to bed but ama and i'll answer in the morning

[Chemist1422]

ok hi what's going on

i'm pretty much lurking out this day phase until i get a handle on what's going on because A Lot has been happening

[Chemist1422]

ok hi what's going on

i'm pretty much lurking out this day phase until i get a handle on what's going on because A Lot has been happening

Vote Norway using vote tags for BP
A 50 decides the execution.

Scum must be in DDL Pickaxe and jjh. So give reads there.

i saw the mech stuff

is there any other discussion going on that i should weigh in on?

[Chemist1422]

ok hi what's going on

i'm pretty much lurking out this day phase until i get a handle on what's going on because A Lot has been happening

Vote Norway using vote tags for BP
A 50 decides the execution.

Scum must be in DDL Pickaxe and jjh. So give reads there.

i saw the mech stuff

is there any other discussion going on that i should weigh in on?

you can tell me why you think TGP is almost certainly scum based on the interaction between him and Gamma?

or you could tell me why you very clearly think that

[Chemist1422]

i'm claiming gossippee, i target a player and get told how many actions targeted them that night and get a reaction to it

night 1 i targeted titus and was told one person visited her but the result (which i will fullclaim as soon as i double check that i can) didn't seem to match up with april's claim

my n2 has info that's probably better not outing until a massclaim or something happens

as for reads i have not fully caught up on the day but jjh saying "i'll post more during the weekend" and then not posting makes me uncomfy

[Chemist1422]

I said treat it as if it was your last post, mate. Claim ALL the info you have now, please. It may help me decide whom to execute (at the very least it may convince me to spare you)

fine i double checked and there SHOULD be no reason i get in trouble for saying this

titus n1 "glad to see it", mathblade n2 nothing

what do you mean by "a reaction to it"?

example given above with my n1

What do you mean "not posting" Chemist

I've been doing a combination of catching up and posting

you've made like 20 posts over 2 days

not saying i've done better but you still feel low-engagement

[Chemist1422]

okay but

your ISO from this weekend is pretty much just setup spec

you said you're still reading which is fine but what have you gotten from what you have read so far

other than DDL scum

[Chemist1422]

Is there any context at all about what the reaction might mean? Why does that reaction not match up with April's claim?

it's indicative of what ability/abilities get used on the target

i assumed that meant some sort of protective or otherwise positive action was used on titus

[Chemist1422]

Hm. It specifically relates to the ability used, rather than the person who used it?

if i've understood it correctly yes

[Chemist1422]

titus n1 "glad to see it", mathblade n2 nothing

So, Titus was visited by ONE role (other than yours) and Math was NOT visited by anyone?

barring ninja shenanigans yes

so if anyone else has claimed to have targeted one of those two they're lying

[Chemist1422]

hi

sorry something happened and it diverted my attention but i'm back i guess

i barely read any of d1 but i picked titus because she was an active voice leading on the GE wagon and i was pretty much treating the role as if it were a watcher

n2 i picked math because he was a controversial slot and i wanted to see if i could get info based on who targeted him role-wise (even though at this point i acknowledged that it was pretty much useless, it's the best i'm gonna get out of this)

[Chemist1422]

who is scum, chemist?

if i knew i'd have said so by now

i know this isn't a helpful answer but just

it's been a long day

i should probably just leave thread for the night

[Chemist1422]

So chemist, if you didn't think that tracker/md combo was possible in this game why were you not voting April?

i literally was

and then i moved off because i thought ddl slipped

and i didn't move back because i didn't know how close to majority we were

[Chemist1422]

@jjh: What do you think of that claim?

It's highly likely to be a trueclaim. Not necessarily town. I'm most concerned with how Chemist interacted with the April wagon given the Titus result. Chemist would have been the motion on Titus. This is considerably better info for things than the fairly arbitrary gossip thing. At the same time, I don't think Chemist's mechanics are the best and honestly it's probably not malicious. I think the way the claim has been handled is probably town indicative.

I would like some more details on the specifics of the role. Is there a reaction to each action targeting a player? Is the reaction a summation of all actions targeting a player, if more than 1 targets someone?

individual reaction for each player

[Chemist1422]

alright i've given up on keeping up to date

hi

[Chemist1422]

Chemist isn't going to ever show up again are they?

wrong

[Chemist1422]

i've given up on keeping updated with this game

but uh

hi

[Chemist1422]

Hi Chemist. Can you share your full role information so far. Everything you got. Night actions and everything.

n1 one visit on titus "glad to see that"
n2 no visits on math
n3 no visits on norwee
n4 no visits on A50
n5 no visits on titus

[Chemist1422]

hey norway, you know what would be spicy? if chemist were just town and scum was actually Bell/Math

A suicide should prove that right up.

UNVOTE: Chemist1422

?

[Chemist1422]

Chemist do you literally have no idea what we're talking about?

not in the slightest

[Chemist1422]

what?

[Chemist1422]

for what it's worth

i touched on this in dead chat but i lurked this game because the spam was horrible and the setup was draining

i think in a different game this scumteam probably rolls

[Chemist1422]

Maybe we were “lurky” BECAUSE YOU MADE THIS GAME A HELLHOLE TO PARTAKE IN!!!! And calling your group “superstars” is so fucking arrogant. What sort of god complex do you have plaguing your mind that made that sound like an okay thing to say?

this but like

maybe 0.2x as aggressive

[Chemist1422]

thank you for attempting to carry me mathblade and i'm sorry i didn't help more

[Chemist1422]

i don't think the game was townsided per se but it felt very anti-scum