Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

[SirCakez]

VOTE: fermis
I HAVE READ NOTHING
SPEEDWAGON SYR BEFORE SHE CAN SPEEDWAGON ME
PLEASE

[SirCakez]

Let us not wallow in the valley of apathy, I say to you today, my friends.

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the Mafiascum dream.

I have a dream that one day this thread will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We found scum."

I have a dream that one day on the mafsepia hills of Theme Park, the sons of former red role PMs and the sons of former third parties will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the subforum of Coney Island, a subforum sweltering with the heat of scumfucks, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice and town wins.

I have a dream that my daughter will one day join the site, and live in a Theme Park where she will not be judged by the color of their role PM, but by the content of her shitposting.

I have a dream today!

VOTE: Bell

Dream tell?

[SirCakez]

I have time for this game today because my uni cancelled everything because of COVID
I'm so excited!

[SirCakez]

VOTE: fermis
I HAVE READ NOTHING
SPEEDWAGON SYR BEFORE SHE CAN SPEEDWAGON ME
PLEASE

Oh

hell no.

I
am
not
a
she

Dayvig: SirCakez

-spin

WHAT
HOW
I NOT UNDERSTAND

[SirCakez]

BTW I am mason lover doctors with Cabd

[SirCakez]

Yeah Cabd is my Blade and I am a Driver we have weird role where we always have to link

[SirCakez]

My guess for first 24 hours was 60 pages and I was told that was too low

[SirCakez]

VOTE: battle mage
Playtime is ovee

[SirCakez]

NO NO NO FUCK THAT BACK THE FUCK OFF ON CLAIMING BLADE OR DRIVER

I refuse to believe that either Penguin or Bork didn't give scum a giant flashy neon role that benefits from knowing who is driver/blade.

that's a good point. maybe i should not have admitted i was a blade.

^scum
Town BM doesn't make posts like that

[SirCakez]

is cakez like legit scum tho. he feels so scummy. or was my tell for cakez if he feels scummy he is town. Idr.

cakez feels weridddddd

When have you ever been able to read me

[SirCakez]

is cakez like legit scum tho. he feels so scummy. or was my tell for cakez if he feels scummy he is town. Idr.

cakez feels weridddddd

When have you ever been able to read me

our last 5 games my dude

What was our last game together even

[SirCakez]

I think I have an angry Google sheet somewhere of all the times I've been miselimmed
It's like 30+ times it's so bad

[SirCakez]

NO NO NO FUCK THAT BACK THE FUCK OFF ON CLAIMING BLADE OR DRIVER

I refuse to believe that either Penguin or Bork didn't give scum a giant flashy neon role that benefits from knowing who is driver/blade.

that's a good point. maybe i should not have admitted i was a blade.

^scum
Town BM doesn't make posts like that

bad read

bad post

[SirCakez]

also Cakez, how many games of mine have you been in?

I watched you in all of Jigsaw and then in a recent game we played together you were scum and I read you correctly

[SirCakez]

NO NO NO FUCK THAT BACK THE FUCK OFF ON CLAIMING BLADE OR DRIVER

I refuse to believe that either Penguin or Bork didn't give scum a giant flashy neon role that benefits from knowing who is driver/blade.

that's a good point. maybe i should not have admitted i was a blade.

^scum
Town BM doesn't make posts like that

bad read

bad post

do not like this song

[SirCakez]

Yeah Cabd is my Blade and I am a Driver we have weird role where we always have to link

If this is true, then that explains why Cabd didn't subscribe to D1 Cakez lolwagon.

Unless you're both just scum, but let's not go there just yet.

This was a joke post I thought that was obvious...
Mb

Cakes, I, and a lot of the deathy, townread you in antechamber. This is NOT what I'm feeling here.

I am probably gonna have to do meta homework before surgery now, ugh, gods.

Not sure what you want me to say here? I have literally changed nothing in my playstyle.

also Cakez, how many games of mine have you been in?

I watched you in all of Jigsaw and then in a recent game we played together you were scum and I read you correctly

thats what i thought. so 2 games where i absolutely sucked, and only 1 as town where you were a Mod rather than a player.

you need to bolster that meta.

You don't have much recent meta dude
And if I read you correctly last time why would I change it?

[SirCakez]

who will be my waifu

[SirCakez]

BM I've been following my gut more lately and it's been telling me right so I don't feel inclined to change my read at the moment

[SirCakez]

Brian Skies?
More like Brian Scums

[SirCakez]

Brian Skies?
More like Brian Scums

dont make me ur enemy cakez. my anime girl might look cute but she can get scary.

I feel what I feel I cannot help it

when i flip town, get that cakey fella

So OMGUS

[SirCakez]

10 page in less than an hour wow

[SirCakez]

Brian Skies?
More like Brian Scums

Is this legit?
I've caught BSkies quite early before, so I don't consider it anywhere outside the realm of possibility.

Very slightly
I disliked his townread dump

[SirCakez]

So OMGUS

That isn't always scummy though... especially for BM(I think).

Sure but in this context it doesn't help him

Something is seriously wrong with the way the cake is opening this game.

I am currently driving so you're going to have to settle for the dump of voice to text but I can't place my finger on it but there's something really weird and evil in the way he's trying to be too light-hearted about this including his own wagon I really don't want this series of votes on him to get written off as RVS shenanigans I want it made explicitly clear that I have a actual genuine read that is beneath 50/50 rand on his alignment

What are you even going on about
I always open lighthearted
This goes back to my home mafia site where there used to not even be a day 1 elim so people would just joke all day

[SirCakez]

So OMGUS

That isn't always scummy though... especially for BM(I think).

cakez seems genuinely sad that i'm willing to 1v1 him

Nope
Fight me

[SirCakez]

Sure but in this context it doesn't help him

What makes this different then?

it's in response to a serious push opening out of the gate with nothing else behind it

[SirCakez]

Something is seriously wrong with the way the cake is opening this game.

I am currently driving so you're going to have to settle for the dump of voice to text but I can't place my finger on it but there's something really weird and evil in the way he's trying to be too light-hearted about this including his own wagon I really don't want this series of votes on him to get written off as RVS shenanigans I want it made explicitly clear that I have a actual genuine read that is beneath 50/50 rand on his alignment

Also you guys literally threatened to speed elim me day 1 before the game started so I don't see why you're surprised I'm not taking it super seriously

[SirCakez]

it's in response to a serious push opening out of the gate with nothing else behind it

Are you describing your own push as serious with nothing else behind that? I'm a bit unsure what you're trying to say here.

My push is serious
BM's OMGUS has nothing else behind it

[SirCakez]

Looks like you pushed him based off of one post and proceeded to scumread his OMGUS. Sure, it makes him look scummy, but I still feel like it is more likely to just be BM.

Yeah but his continued reaction is bad
So all of that is just adding to my push
What do you mean by "just being BM"

Looks like you pushed him based off of one post and proceeded to scumread his OMGUS. Sure, it makes him look scummy, but I still feel like it is more likely to just be BM.

OMGUSing is not scummy though? also, we're like 2 hours into the game, this is definitely still RVS.

Apart from Cakez

and his serious reads

There's a serious wagon on me right now how can you say we're still in rvs

[SirCakez]

He acted like this in the last game I SRed him though

[SirCakez]

sooooo I just remembered that in Chromavalon I actually knew BM was scum from my role >.<
That does not change that he is playing like he did in that game

[SirCakez]

mmm BM where's your town passion from Jigsaw?

It was scum passion in Jigsaw, I think you just sent me the wrong role PM.

This isn't a normal mafia game and the setup is actually less easily navigable than I anticipated when I signed up...

Galron's reaction is bad

Jesus. Are you mad because I'm not playing in your pre-defined structure of how you think I should be? Are you mad because I'm voting you? Look around. If you're not scum, quit acting like it.

This game has been a slog. I don't think too many people really know how to approach it yet. TSE made a dumb strategy post that outed him as scum Day 1. Midari made a post Day 1 to the effect of how many understand the rules/setup. That sounded townie to me at the time, and even though she's kind of scum claimed since then, I think that still may be one of the most honest posts of the game. Other than Hiraki's rant. If you look at that, he pretty much nailed the game dynamic at the time. And his ISO is essentially a mind meld with where I'm at. Now we have cakez scum reading four or five people, penguin saying he's okay lynching Midari but not voting there, and Manatee and candles, I don't really know what they're about. Enomis was honest enough to bail, and like I said before, I don't see scum repping out of a lurk party. Battle Mage, bless him, also honestly said he is having difficulty with the mechanic.

If y'all want to lynch Midari, fine, but I think cakez is the better candidate today.

This resonates with me. SirCakez you're right that this is not how I played in Jigsaw, however:

A. My play in Jigsaw single-handedly screwed up the entire game for the town, so it's hardly a meta I'm trying to re-create.
B. I'm not a complete try-hard in every game as town - my drive generally links to my level of engagement, and confidence in my reads.

I wonder if you're genuinely scumreading me based on that meta, or if you're trying to encourage me to play like I did in Jigsaw? The latter is tantamount to fishing in this game.

All

things considered...you're my guy.

VOTE: SirCakez

I am willing to do Galron, Titus and Battle Mage

anyone but you?

I'm sticking with Cakez for today, it's the safe bet.

how BM reacted to me in Chromavlon
literally the same reaction

[SirCakez]

not engaging BM anymore so less posts happen

[SirCakez]

excessive posting is antitown

[SirCakez]

excessive posting is antitown

weird thinking

the more someone posts the more reliable your read is on them

even if the content is irrelevant you can still read someone for posting garbage

im not sure why youd want to prevent people from doing this

because when someone has to read 50 pages to catchup it creates apathy which is not good for town

[SirCakez]

Cabd get your ass in here and engage me
i'm not letting your drop that read on me and walk away

[SirCakez]

excessive posting is antitown

weird thinking

the more someone posts the more reliable your read is on them

even if the content is irrelevant you can still read someone for posting garbage

im not sure why youd want to prevent people from doing this

i always feels it weird when people comment on peoples thinking when they say things like "posting too much is anti town" when it doesnt seem like a post u cn really read intent to but it doesnt look like ur reading intent. Idk weird out of place commentary to me. Maybe i am a hypocrite trying to read into a persons post about why someone would do that. Inception style.

i want a dialogue

it will give me a read

You make consider me pocketed

i know ur ignoring me

[SirCakez]

CABD AM I YOUR DESIGNATED ML

[SirCakez]

at least he mentioned me finally <3

[SirCakez]

Cakez from the last game you played you weren't nearly as active. I'm not going to resign you to playing one way but your excitable levels are much higher, would you just say this is how you normally play compared to Weakest Link?

it's because I have time to do shit today because my uni cancelled everything today
I won't be this active every day

[SirCakez]

noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[SirCakez]

Abomination talk to me about Californian governors.

Addressed to me?

It's one of those terrible reasons to townread that I like anyway. Given the game speed and density, there's a fair bit of thinking what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it.

jsyk I'm insulted.

~ strange

I can live with insulted. There are at least five slots townier than what appears to be your best efforts so far. Sixth place? You gonna settle for that shit?

And i'm number one right?

[SirCakez]

Fermis talk to me about your serious vote on me since Cabd won't

[SirCakez]

Fermis talk to me about your serious vote on me since Cabd won't

Are you hoping they convince you that you are scum or something?

I just don't get where this comes from as a town. I'd be more interested in people reading actual possible scum slots.

Hmmmmm......

I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

[SirCakez]

I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

Sugar bread I'm a hound for the glucose but your icing leaves the bitter taste of almonds and I'm afraid I'll have to take you down with me

-spin

Pedit fine strange you can have your fucking brian townread

I'm not cyanide ((

Fermis talk to me about your serious vote on me since Cabd won't

Are you hoping they convince you that you are scum or something?

I just don't get where this comes from as a town. I'd be more interested in people reading actual possible scum slots.

Hmmmmm......

I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

Why? Do you town read them?

Not really but I would never elim them day 1 or 2

[SirCakez]

Pretty sure Noraa is actual scum here, guys.

Pour que?

[SirCakez]

Her entrance this game seems like she’s trying to revert back to RVS, which fine, she basically made it clear she was doing that, but she made an entrance looking to become center of attention for being goofy, as soon as I voted her, she disappeared, if only for a few minutes.

However, I don’t feel like she was as genuine in that spot here, and it feels like she’s trying to force her way into playing how she thinks she would play as scum.

Her small disappearance just feels really scummy. I don’t have that much to go off of, but in a game where we’ve all been still playing around, hers looks like she’s actively trying to fit in.

Just my thoughts off her entrance. Way too early, but I’m definitely going to be focusing here for a bit, albeit under the radar. Trying to not talk too much until I really have something to say,

I can sheep this

[SirCakez]

Hey Guillotina didn't expect to see you here (It's Chelsea)
wanna vote Cakez or Regan and get a scum?

Nobody thinks Reagan is scum

[SirCakez]

Gamma is town

[SirCakez]

Hey Guillotina didn't expect to see you here (It's Chelsea)
wanna vote Cakez or Regan and get a scum?

Nobody thinks Reagan is scum

Coming from you this means very little to me at the moment. Second of all the opinions of everyone else regarding 1 slot on day 1 mean next to 0.

Idc
Still think your push is not gonna go anywhere

[SirCakez]

I remember it started sometime in May, but after checking it ended in July.
About BM, I didn't really townread him. I just find the way he plays to be a little grating personally, but Cakez reasons didn't seem too substantiated to me. Considering that Cakez apparently only played in BM scum games, it's a bit weird. I like that Cakez backed off though, but neither of them are really confident reads rn.

I modded a game he was very active town in

Hey Guillotina didn't expect to see you here (It's Chelsea)
wanna vote Cakez or Regan and get a scum?

Nobody thinks Reagan is scum

Coming from you this means very little to me at the moment. Second of all the opinions of everyone else regarding 1 slot on day 1 mean next to 0.

Idc
Still think your push is not gonna go anywhere

For someone who holds that outlook and doesn't seem to care you certainly seem interested in trying to stop me instead of figure out why I feel that way. Dully noted

Explain why they are town then

[SirCakez]

I can't wait for Cabd's wall

[SirCakez]

I see this game will continue the obnoxious trend of people SRing me without explaining why

[SirCakez]

Scum reading = SR

[SirCakez]

I see this game will continue the obnoxious trend of people SRing me without explaining why

Why does that bother you?

Because I dislike being scum read in general so I usually try to argue against why people are SRing me
I can't do that if people don't explain why

[SirCakez]

Thus why I'm excited for Cabd's wall

[SirCakez]

But, yeah, I don't see this viewpoint from town on Cakez. Like, he's not going "Look at this read" it really feels like he's saying "Tell me why I'm scum!"

That is what I'm saying yes

[SirCakez]

What is ManWithNoName's push on me even

[SirCakez]

You don't need to convince me I'm scum lol but some actual reasoning is nice

[SirCakez]

Cakez so what was the difference between the scum BM from chromavalon and the game you modded?

In town game he was much more aggressive and less just responding to whatever attacks come at him like he is here
And he drove the gamestate a lot more

[SirCakez]

Hi LLD

[SirCakez]

You think I’m in the mood for tact when the entire game is basically showing me the door not even 12 hours in? When you’re this off-base someone needs to provide the adequate amount of bile.

There's hardly much of a wagon on you this is an overreaction

[SirCakez]

[5] SirCakez (Cabd, midwaybear, Fermis Flames, ManWithNoName, MariaR)
[4] Battle Mage (SirCakez, Firebringer, beeboy, Gamma Emerald)
[4] Gamma Emerald (REAGAN BUSH 84, Battle Mage, Brian Skies, Lady Lambdadelta)

Damn this is an awesome split

BM has the worst amount of people on his wagon so far from where I'm sitting

haha i'm baffled that despite being universally townread, i have the 2nd biggest wagon

this is pretty much what i meant earlier when i said to midway that in this game i wouldnt be shocked to get elimmed.

Get out of here with this shit

[SirCakez]

*continues to wait patiently for Cabd evidence wall*
*That will probably take a week to materialize*

[SirCakez]

your vote hasn't left me lmfao

[SirCakez]

ok not getting into this again
I just couldn't stand your blatant claim of being universally townread

[SirCakez]

Yeah Cabd is my Blade and I am a Driver we have weird role where we always have to link

Can you explain why you made this post?

it was a joke
because in Cabd and I's last game SOMEBODY fakeclaimed mason lover doctors with scum
so i did that and then added some flavor for funsies and then people took it seriously

[SirCakez]

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

this is just a lie considering we got Taylo0r through in literally our last game together

[SirCakez]

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

this is just a lie considering we got Taylo0r through in literally our last game together

I wanted Bell. Bell was indeed scum. We got taylor instead which on one hand yay, but on the other, getting Bell would have been sweeter because he was a suicide bomber and taylor was a boring traitor that I'd have vigged N1 for the deathy instead.

Ok sure but both were your SRs

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

this is just a lie considering we got Taylo0r through in literally our last game together

This is a skeevy take. It was the right elim given lolmasonry, but his scumread was also dead-right.

~ strange

Ok sure if it's specifically eliming his top scum read day 1 then sure
But to say his SRs are not elimmed D1 is not true

[SirCakez]

Pointless argument anyways

[SirCakez]

the bigger discussion here is why Noraa is not giving me any town vibes at all when I usually get them from her immediately

[SirCakez]

Ok sure

Cake keeps saying "Ok sure"
is this scum indicative for him?
I dont remember hearing it in Betrayal.

Where else have I said this?

the bigger discussion here is why Noraa is not giving me any town vibes at all when I usually get them from her immediately

what a lie. in my only game with you, I was town and you SRed me.

Gimme a sec

[SirCakez]

Ok I definitely was TRing you by the end of Betrayal
And i'm also using your town meta from the Great Idea game I just modded

[SirCakez]

Ok I definitely was TRing you by the end of Betrayal
And i'm also using your town meta from the Great Idea game I just modded

No shit I was TRed there. I nailed scum dead to the ground day 1 and got nk'ed night 1.

Ok then how come you just said I SRed you in that game

[SirCakez]

I'm talking about Betrayal
You said I SRed you in the game we played in together
But then you said obviously I townread you

??????

[SirCakez]

the bigger discussion here is why Noraa is not giving me any town vibes at all when I usually get them from her immediately

what a lie. in my only game with you, I was town and you SRed me.

Bullshit

[SirCakez]

And i'm also using your town meta from the Great Idea game I just modded

Ok and what's the problem with this? Just because I knew your alignment doesn't mean I can't use your meta from it
I'm not saying I read you correctly there but I am saying I can recognize your playstyle from it

[SirCakez]

I'm not saying I read you correctly there but I am saying I can recognize your playstyle from it

u have played one game with town me and now ur a Noraa meta expert O_o
okay then.

Misrep hell
You're scum Noraa

[SirCakez]

This is not town Noraa AT ALL

[SirCakez]

Then vote her

[SirCakez]

I feel you Fire

[SirCakez]

You know what does not spark joy in me Cabd?
Whenever you post and it's not your casewall

[SirCakez]

<3
Even though you're hurting me I still love you
Just 90% of the love I felt before

[SirCakez]

Cabd there's no fucking way you're still in the drive like for covid test

[SirCakez]

I'm starting to think you're just full of shit

[SirCakez]

Because you know that I would be asking for a wall here regardless of alignment because I hate being pushed when people can't explain it
And you're just trying to push my buttons more now

[SirCakez]

And your crap is feeding into the other crap being spewed by obvscum like BM and Noraa

[SirCakez]

Sorry Cabd I like you but I can't stand this playstyle and push from you

[SirCakez]

You're posting is totally insufferable rn
It's just like Alisae 2.0 where e was like "hmm look at the scum posting goo!!" And then I was town and e was all shocked but not really

[SirCakez]

Whatever I can't talk to you right now
Not really much of a point sorting you anyways

[SirCakez]

Yeah my 60 page prophecy is coming false

[SirCakez]

I am here following along but I am incredibly frustrated with how this game I was actually looking forward to has gone and I feel I am not being listened to at all so I'm not feeling particularly inclined to post more

[SirCakez]

I am here following along but I am incredibly frustrated with how this game I was actually looking forward to has gone and I feel I am not being listened to at all so I'm not feeling particularly inclined to post more

You didn't respond to me

yeah I saw your question but I feel like my posting goes in one ear out the other (esp because you guys are so close with Cabd and are hard SRing me) so why bother

[SirCakez]

ok i'll bite. will regret this.

I feel you Fire

I think you feel less natural and comfortable than you did last game. Your early thing with Battle Mage? felt like you forcing a scum read.

Point a is the more concerning thing for me because I remember when syr and ffery both mentioned their thoughts on you my thought was that you felt comfortable and I really liked that. There were some niggles and late game you really only became a lynch target because SOMEBODY took scum out of the poe and you were my least townread of everyone who was left.

Point b is I don't know what to do with that. I'm not good at reading the early game because I can't really tell the difference between town trying to get things started and scum trying to look that way, so that pinged but I don't know what to do with it.

I'm personally a bit pinged by not feeling that sense of you feeling comfortable here, but it's not full-fledged scum read though.

What are your strongest reads?

honestly I don't have many strong reads here because I've been more focused on what people think of me then reading other people. so I haven't really developed anything strong. because when I did attempt scumhunting it just got crappy fast with BM and then Noraa
I still think BM is scummy. Noraa is still scummy and I'm not sure why she's defending me.
Cabd's tunnel on me is probably town as much I hate it but I'm just so fed up with him and I don't want to engage him more because I like him and don't want to get in a fight. but also I wish he would not be like this.
you guys are prolly town too. you all feel like you did in Smoke.
Bell feels better than he did in Smoke. less bullshit.
Brian Skies has also been better since he dropped those TRs early game. I like his engagement.
idk I'd have to reread others. just not really feeling motivated if I'm going to die here.

[SirCakez]

prolly scum somewhere in that weird pool of people who aren't lurking but also aren't particularly active
people like (cobra, reagan bush, beeboy, Maria, MWNN)

[SirCakez]

prolly scum somewhere in that weird pool of people who aren't lurking but also aren't particularly active
people like (cobra, reagan bush, beeboy, Maria, MWNN)

Cobra and MariaR feel like town to me rn
The others are okay suspects

Can you elaborate on those two cuz I am not seeing it?

prolly scum somewhere in that weird pool of people who aren't lurking but also aren't particularly active
people like (cobra, reagan bush, beeboy, Maria, MWNN)

i agree and have in fact predicted that you would make this exact post 12 hours ago

hence why my vote has never left the prime suspect

???

[SirCakez]

You want me to vote him?

[SirCakez]

Not really
He's just in my null pool of suspects

[SirCakez]

Seems like no one shares Cabd's conviction that Cakez is scum

Yeah but the wagon is stuck on me
Dare I say

Spoiler:

scum like this gamestate

[SirCakez]

[10] SirCakez (Cabd, midwaybear, Fermis Flames, ManWithNoName, MariaR, Bell, Battle Mage, unwnd, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald)

MWNN, Maria, BM, maybe unwnd??? (I have no read on him atm but I also misread him so badly last time we played together that I let myself be the D1 elim to save him AND HE WAS SCUM)

[SirCakez]

Seems like no one shares Cabd's conviction that Cakez is scum

Also wait this is so messed up
You keep asking about the nonexistent case on me and how no one really SRs me but you're still voting me
What gives?

[SirCakez]

You’re positing four scum within five votes on a LHF wagon day one?

No I don't think they are all scum
But I'd wager two at least

[SirCakez]

[10] SirCakez (Cabd, midwaybear, Fermis Flames, ManWithNoName, MariaR, Bell, Battle Mage, unwnd, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald)

MWNN, Maria, BM, maybe unwnd??? (I have no read on him atm but I also misread him so badly last time we played together that I let myself be the D1 elim to save him AND HE WAS SCUM)

How do you feel about Dunnstral?

I can see maybe MWNN actually.

Total coin flip I have no idea how to read him ever

I let myself be the D1 elim to save him AND HE WAS SCUM

Oof yeah doing this isn’t great
You always know your alignment. You can’t be certain of someone else’s bar mechanics.

Yeah it was dumb

[SirCakez]

ok i'll bite. will regret this.

I feel you Fire

I think you feel less natural and comfortable than you did last game. Your early thing with Battle Mage? felt like you forcing a scum read.

Point a is the more concerning thing for me because I remember when syr and ffery both mentioned their thoughts on you my thought was that you felt comfortable and I really liked that. There were some niggles and late game you really only became a lynch target because SOMEBODY took scum out of the poe and you were my least townread of everyone who was left.

Point b is I don't know what to do with that. I'm not good at reading the early game because I can't really tell the difference between town trying to get things started and scum trying to look that way, so that pinged but I don't know what to do with it.

I'm personally a bit pinged by not feeling that sense of you feeling comfortable here, but it's not full-fledged scum read though.

What are your strongest reads?

honestly I don't have many strong reads here because I've been more focused on what people think of me then reading other people. so I haven't really developed anything strong. because when I did attempt scumhunting it just got crappy fast with BM and then Noraa
I still think BM is scummy. Noraa is still scummy and I'm not sure why she's defending me.
Cabd's tunnel on me is probably town as much I hate it but I'm just so fed up with him and I don't want to engage him more because I like him and don't want to get in a fight. but also I wish he would not be like this.
you guys are prolly town too. you all feel like you did in Smoke.
Bell feels better than he did in Smoke. less bullshit.
Brian Skies has also been better since he dropped those TRs early game. I like his engagement.
idk I'd have to reread others. just not really feeling motivated if I'm going to die here.

I'm sorry that the game has been unfun for you so far! It's not fun to be wagoned straight off the gate no matter your alignment, but especially if you're town. I remember how frustrated you got in smoke too when "confirmed town" was scumreading you without explanations or a care that you could be a miselim, and I kinda feel like that's affecting my ability to read you or feel confident in it rather. Sorry I know that's no help, and if you are town here and get miselimed again, I'll probably not be able to scum read you in the next game we play. That's no help either I know.

Your attack on BM for the reasons you did felt a little premature at the time. I don't disagree with anything else though.

Thanks
Yeah idk
I just was excited by BM because I feel like I'm seeing the exact same things I saw in scum!him before right down to the immediate OMGUS

[SirCakez]

I mean it's been publicly stated 2/3rds of the deathy (well, deathy minus jake) are with me here.

Both heads of morph are town, and we are syncing. Do you have ANY idea how fucking strong that is of a tell that we're on the right track?

Rider AND Alter Ego are syncing, as well.

"Nobody else is seeing it" is a stretch, midway.

Can this be translated please

[SirCakez]

he doesn't need to be more readable lmao

Given I don’t agree (and iirc so do a few others) with ffer’s read there, I disagree with this notion.

the only one i remember suggesting he's scum is cakez and it wasn't much of a serious read. but he's town.

What is this in reference to

tammy are you familiar with the game we are playing at all because i am not and could really use your help in figuring out wtf is going on

unfortunately my hydra partner kind of sucks so i'm hoping maybe that we could be friends and you can tell me thoughts and i can pretend they are my ideas all along so that he thinks that i'm bringing something to the table in this partnership

I spent the entire day today reading it if that's what you're asking.

If you're asking about setup, I'm just starting to wrap my head around the setup and how roles work and such. I posted a message at you earlier to see if you thought that some of the mechanics were somewhat similar to this game viewtopic.php?f=56&t=64547

I'm having a vague recollection of the mechanics of visitation and thought you might have ideas.

your hydra partners attempts to impersonate you suck.

*Not really game relevant but that was the second ever Large Theme I read on this site and it gave me all the nostalgia to see it*

When I think about Cakez I feel it's very similar to problems I had with Gamma wherein they just make off-the-cuff posts which don't really seem premeditated. There's about like 4 posts in sequence of SirCakez lamenting his death and still clinging onto what he said before, but that is all very tiresome. What I don't understand (and this question goes out to both Gamma/BM if they are reading this) is that if you're so blindly convinced that the other is scum then why aren't you trying to convince anyone? It just doesn't really do any good sifting ad hominem and the like. I don't read One on Ones thinking 'this person was better in it', definitely not D1 either. I read it like an event happening in the thread and then it's my job to figure out what the event means in the long run

Ok but I don't think Cabd is scum? So I don't know what you're getting at here.

[SirCakez]

BM is, not Gamma
I actually think Gamma is fairly town

[SirCakez]

His huge outburst at BM felt genuine and town motivated

[SirCakez]

His huge outburst at BM felt genuine and town motivated

Why did you think it was "town motivated"?
Does anyone townread MWNN?

Because BM frequently plays an anti-town playstyle regardless of alignment so trying to shut that down is good

[SirCakez]

Yeah, but it's not hard to imagine scum!Gamma similarly getting irked and then blowing up at BM.

But what's the scum motivation for that
Just ignore it

[SirCakez]

But what's the scum motivation for that
Just ignore it

There doesn't always have to be a clear cut scum motivation for scum to do things.

MWNN, first of all, I did give reads earlier in that newbie. Second of all, I find it hard to believe that you think me not giving reads as scum is ever a strategy that I would keep.

well yeah ofc
but why does it make more sense for it to be scum than town here?

[SirCakez]

MWNN why do you actually SR me other than sheeping Cabd?

[SirCakez]

Yeah, but it's not hard to imagine scum!Gamma similarly getting irked and then blowing up at BM.

But what's the scum motivation for that
Just ignore it

If it was a barrier to getting a foothold in the game yeah it would be something I might push as scum. That's what I did in MBoS 10

I think this is a moot point now

[SirCakez]

Cake... reads of these four slots in particular, humor me....


Midwaybears
Nachomuffin (Catch up)
Fermis Flames
Firebringer

I mean I don't understand why you're asking me this since you seem hell bent on ending me today

[SirCakez]

I wouldn't elim any of them today as it stands
Midway is mildly scummy because he won't take a stance on my wagon he just keeps posturing around it
Fire I can't ever read correctly early game
The other two are fine

[SirCakez]

I wish LLD would come talk to us

[SirCakez]

MWNN why do you actually SR me other than sheeping Cabd?

I hate repeating myself, but it's this weird thing with you being obsessed with the scum reads on you.

Also, Masons and Monks, you just did this thing where you said scum response without reasoning, and I checked it out last night because you did a few posts like that, here.

I've already talked about this I do this regardless of alignment because I heavily dislike being elimmed
it's even worse here because no one will give reasoning and other people have pointed out there is no case

Can you be more specific about your second point?

[SirCakez]

my BM vote is really stale and not going anywhere
VOTE: Noraa
I'd like to try this
her pop-ins yesterday were so bad
seems like she's not even trying, just complaining
which does not make for a town Noraa

[SirCakez]

uh ok I feel like I do that regardless of alignment though
Have you read any of my other games?

[SirCakez]

my BM vote is really stale and not going anywhere
VOTE: Noraa
I'd like to try this
her pop-ins yesterday were so bad
seems like she's not even trying, just complaining
which does not make for a town Noraa

also her defense of me seems like scum trying to reap towncred when I flip town

[SirCakez]

ok so then that point is just nothing lol
you can't use meta if you've only ever read my posting as one alignment

[SirCakez]

I wish LLD would come talk to us

mood

VOTE: lady lambdadelta

Why vote here?
Why (and this is a question directed at Cakez as well) do you want more cooks in the kitchen during a game that is as comically high volume as this one?

LLD is hardly a high volume poster this game
I just would like her insight because I consider her a good scumhunter

I wouldn't elim any of them today as it stands
Midway is mildly scummy because he won't take a stance on my wagon he just keeps posturing around it
Fire I can't ever read correctly early game
The other two are fine

What does your treatment of Cabd this game look like as town vs scum?

Was my posting really just fine - do you think I've said anything alignment indicative, do you think I've brought up any thoughts that you didn't think of before, do you think I said anything flat out wrong?

I don't know? Probably as scum I'd be more aggressive towards him rather then letting him roll over me like I am here...
(This is nacho posting right?) Based on that nothing really struck me as uber AI from you, yeah. I consider you to be insanely good at either alignment so I'm gonna need to see a lot more before I put in a real read on you.

[SirCakez]

Based on a quick ISO the only thing I disagree with you on is Noraa town

[SirCakez]

ok I am here what do you want from me?

[SirCakez]

LLD is hardly a high volume poster this game
I just would like her insight because I consider her a good scumhunter

You missed my initial point - this game is already too high volume in that most people are not reading the game in full.

In a game like that, I'm grateful that someone who absolutely could be high volume and someone who could be throwing more shit into the mix is instead taking a step back.

Why aren't you?

I concur with that - I talked about that earlier, how too much posting is inherently anti-town and creates apathy
And I don't want LLD to come out with that sort of high-volume spam style she can do.
But I really don't see the problem with her coming in and adding a few thoughts? The game is already bloated (although it seems to be slowing down), so I don't see how a few posts from LLD would significantly change that.

[SirCakez]

@cabd we could all easily be wrong.

This post pings scum.

Your post pings scum.

Not only because you didn't elaborate why in the same post, so the intention was not bring awareness but to shade, but it also raises some questions.

Do you think we could all not be easily wrong? If so, why?

What information do you have to assume all people could be right? And if you think everyone could be right why did you vetoed Sircakez yeet?

For the record: im not saying everyone could be right or wrong, im saying that Bell got a point and throwing shade at Bell for it is scummy.

VOTE: Noraa

NORAA WAGON CHOO CHOO
EVERYBODY ABOARD

[SirCakez]

ok I am here what do you want from me?

Answer my question in #1670 again - just take a few minutes to actually think about it before answering this time.

Gotta leave for work now, will be back in a long time. Will outline my expectations a bit more clearly when I return if you still don't know what I'm looking for.

ok I feel like I am being led on here and don't really like it
I'm assuming you want me to reanswer the thoughts on you part, not the Cabd part

Cabd's tunnel on me is probably town as much I hate it but I'm just so fed up with him and I don't want to engage him more because I like him and don't want to get in a fight. but also I wish he would not be like this.

i also think that he deserves a bit of breathing room based on that and that alone. i don't know if cakez has changed a bunch since i've been gone but he's not really the type to get razzled very easily but i think this is fairly obviously real emotion.

if it's a case where we are correct and he's scum just trying to make cabd good on him but this isn't someone that you push a lynch through on in 24 hours - it's disrespectful to him as a person and a player.

I mean I like that you said because it makes me valued as a player and you aren't just diving on me but you are good enough to where you could make this post as either alignment

oh except real quick

tammy i read through noraa

i don't really agree with your scumread there - the sum total of her posting is 4 parts complaining and 1 part messing around and i think if she was scum she might make more of an effort to cultivate an image.

this was a hard core skim though that i'll try to revisit later maybe but the attitude is too bad for me to be mad, you dig?

Like I said I disagree with this - I don't think Noraa cares about her image regardless of alignment

My worry is that I see a lot of myself in Cabd right now. I've also had a lot of good Day 1 scumreads, but I've also murdered countless townies due to hubris and I've caused some emotional anguish in people that I could have avoided and still won the game and normally the big fuck ups come after a couple of big successes.

this is what I feel is happening with Cabd rn

I really don't see anything else that sticks out

[SirCakez]

my BM vote is really stale and not going anywhere
VOTE: Noraa
I'd like to try this
her pop-ins yesterday were so bad
seems like she's not even trying, just complaining
which does not make for a town Noraa

You have things reversed the about what town and scum Noraa probably does

more details

[SirCakez]

That's your big case Cabd? That fucking joke post
Lmfao

[SirCakez]

Role.

Related.

Reasons.

Those five names are not randomly selected.

The thread silence heard around the world.

Nobody cares

[SirCakez]

Is it because you think I was trying to buddy/pocket you or something??

[SirCakez]

I can't play this game anymore I can't
And it's been less than 24 hours

[SirCakez]

Take me to the lakes please

[SirCakez]

I can't play this game anymore I can't
And it's been less than 24 hours

You couldn't resist trying to find it on the first set of posts, man. What did you expect?

What does this mean

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying

[SirCakez]

Y'all already know who I think is scum
Noraa is going to try to be like "told y'all" tomorrow but she is fucking scum

[SirCakez]

I can't play this game anymore I can't
And it's been less than 24 hours

You couldn't resist trying to find it on the first set of posts, man. What did you expect?

What does this mean

sorry man, now you know though - trying to mis-elim me is not a good strategy!

who do you think is scum?

ffs

[SirCakez]

yeah I was doomed as soon as Cabd pulled out his murder stick he's too powerful
Like Logan Roy
Don't elim him tomorrow though

[SirCakez]

How are you going to do that if you're NKed

[SirCakez]

END HER

[SirCakez]

NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[SirCakez]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[SirCakez]

I just can't stand this and it keeps happening
You all should go look at The Fifth Fortnight where Gorkington deathtunneled me for literally the entire game
It really sucks

[SirCakez]

hi bork I love you

[SirCakez]

bring me sweet release

[SirCakez]

Hope your surgery goes well!

[SirCakez]

Fermis what are you hoping for I'm hammered

[SirCakez]

Bork just hasn't finished counting yet

[SirCakez]

Cuz I was at L3 then Midway and fermis revoted and then LLD hammered

[SirCakez]

Also please elim BM
I can't stand that he's acting like my push on him is the reason I'm dying

[SirCakez]

I was a Tracker Blade

[SirCakez]

Also please elim BM
I can't stand that he's acting like my push on him is the reason I'm dying

lol pushing obvtown-BM is literally the reason you came under scrutiny and got wagonned. I'm guessing you didn't help yourself after that, but I didn't read the last 20 pages.

You're delusional

[SirCakez]

LLD is more likely town?

[SirCakez]

Take me to the Lakes where all the poets went to die
I don't belong and, my beloved, neither do you
Those Windermere peaks look like a perfect place to cry
I'm setting off, but not without my muse

[SirCakez]

LLD is more likely town?

based on?

Some gut but she doesn't give me the rage vibes that she gives as scum

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.8

[10] SirCakez (Cabd, ManWithNoName, MariaR, Bell, Battle Mage, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Fermis Flames, midwaybear, Lady Lambdadelta)
[2] Flavor Leaf (noraa, unwnd)
[2] Lady Lambdadelta (Firebringer, l4pe)
[2] noraa (SirCakez, Guillotina)
[1] Battle Mage (beeboy)
[1] Cobra Kai (REAGAN BUSH 84)
[1] Gamma Emerald (Brian Skies)
[1] unwnd (Flavor Leaf)

[2] Not Voting (Cobra Kai, Will catch up later maybe)

With 22 alive, it is 12 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-30 13:00:00)

FFS IM NOT DEAD

[SirCakez]

I got too hopeful

[SirCakez]

If there is even the smallest slightest tiniest chance I am not dying today
Can we PLEASE ELIM BM

[SirCakez]

VOTE: battle mage
Here I'll start us off

[SirCakez]

I figured out where I miscounted
Noraa unvoted and I thought majority was 11

[SirCakez]

Because BM is 10x more insufferable than Noraa
I'd do either but BM is just pissing me off more rn

[SirCakez]

and you've failed to move away from your initial scumread, 70 odd pages later.

So have you lol

[SirCakez]

Nobody in this game has developed any sort of reads beyond opening because we're still less than 24 hours into this game

[SirCakez]

VOTE: noraa
Die potato

[SirCakez]

I don't think anyone has brought meta up on me Bell

[SirCakez]

Welcome back to the driving around Chicago talk radio hour I'm your host and today we'll be talking about the five stages of grief and how we have finally made it to acceptance I'm very proud of you cake

not yet my boy
You still have much to learn

[SirCakez]

VOTE: noraa
Die potato

If this isn't a scum claim and acceptance then I surely don't know what it is

Yep you got me dude
Voting a scum read is the new scum claim

[SirCakez]

Cabd you have one game experience with me
I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS
YOU SAW IT YOURSELF WHEN ALISAE WAS AFTER ME IN SMOKE AND I TRIED TO MAKE E EXPLAIN WHY THEY WERE SRING ME AND THEY NEVER DID

[SirCakez]

You're literally pulling the exact same crap Alisae did except you at least have sorta kinda given a little explanation here

[SirCakez]

There's a reason why the people who actually have decent experience with me are not on the wagon

[SirCakez]

Here
Read this game
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=77774
Gorkington pulled the same crap Cabd is doing this game, I got super frustrated and pissed off there too, and then because of the setup Gorkington basically single handedly cost most of the town the game when I got elimmed
And he had the same bullshit overconfidence

[SirCakez]

Said wavelength referring to Noraa scum.

why am I scum, cobra?

Cabd if Cakes flips town you die tomorrow okay?

I like this idea.

if noraa doesnt visit me tonight, we can flip her tomorrow i guess.

Im a blade. can't fucking drive someone.

too many fucking blades what the fuck

need to flip one of Cakez or Noraa for that reason alone.

What are you going off of here

[SirCakez]

I mean
Who THE FUCK are these people
Who can literally just go out there and say "I'm so confident x is scum that will self vote tomorrow all day if they flip town" or be like "hmm he knows he's caught I wonder why he won't give up"

[SirCakez]

Personally, the fact that your enjoyment of this game has been sucked out because you're being wagoned for no conceivable reason, is a bad reason to lose that joy in your heart.

My heart died a long time ago Bell
Smoke brought a tiny piece of it back
But that tiny piece has been shredded burned and buried

[SirCakez]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS

[SirCakez]

CHOO CHOO MOFOS

[SirCakez]

Fucking vig BM

[SirCakez]

is it possible Cakez is some sort of jester role here?

Lmao this game isn't bastard

[SirCakez]

Cakez you realize you have a fair amount associatives with Noraa, correct?

No idea what you're getting at here

[SirCakez]

Cakez you realize you have a fair amount associatives with Noraa, correct?

No idea what you're getting at here

he means you had a lot of interactions and stuff with her, which make you look bad if she flips scum.

Ok? I don't care lol if she flips scum I'm happy with it

[SirCakez]

I said that
And I said because you're doing the same finger wagging I know you're scum thing without actually being willing to engage me and it's horrifically frustrating

[SirCakez]

Noraa out of respect I'll say I feel decent about you being scum because your 180 on me seemed very bizarre and scum motivated and until this wagon fired up you were not even trying to scumhunt

[SirCakez]

I said that
And I said because you're doing the same finger wagging I know you're scum thing without actually being willing to engage me and it's horrifically frustrating

man there's no point engaging you when all you do is just state i'm scum over and over again with no reasons.

I have tried to engage you more than once but you just give me the same flippancy

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

I lied. Im not reading up today. Too many pages. Someone talk to me. I'm here.

Vote cakez.

And I'll carry us to victory.

Ok!
VOTE: Cakey boi

your vote hasn't left me lmfao

Are you scum? My local Crabapple provider says you are.

it was a joke

is this post that Dunn just mentioned the reason why people SR cake?

Ok sure

Cake keeps saying "Ok sure"
is this scum indicative for him?
I dont remember hearing it in Betrayal.

the bigger discussion here is why Noraa is not giving me any town vibes at all when I usually get them from her immediately

what a lie. in my only game with you, I was town and you SRed me.

Ok I definitely was TRing you by the end of Betrayal
And i'm also using your town meta from the Great Idea game I just modded

No shit I was TRed there. I nailed scum dead to the ground day 1 and got nk'ed night 1.

Ok then how come you just said I SRed you in that game

dude u modded that game. you literally knew my alignment right off the bat.

Im talking about a dang game that you PLAYED in.

Cabd's right. ur scum.

And i'm also using your town meta from the Great Idea game I just modded

I'm not saying I read you correctly there but I am saying I can recognize your playstyle from it

u have played one game with town me and now ur a Noraa meta expert O_o
okay then.

@noraa

[SirCakez]

We are really gonna break 100 pages in two days

[SirCakez]

I said that
And I said because you're doing the same finger wagging I know you're scum thing without actually being willing to engage me and it's horrifically frustrating

man there's no point engaging you when all you do is just state i'm scum over and over again with no reasons.

I have tried to engage you more than once but you just give me the same flippancy

you said you voted for me because gut, and you said you wouldn't go against that gut read until you were proven wrong.

so what's the point of playing?

That's just not what I said
I went off of meta and then your OMGUS reaction made me more confident
And since then all you've done is take potshots at me without developing anything

[SirCakez]

unwnd could be scum

[SirCakez]

Yo I'm leaving on a flight so don't pull that "where's cakez" crap

[SirCakez]

I would like to discuss Cobra shading my Noraa push by saying we have "associatives"
Because what kind of fear mongering crap is that

[SirCakez]

I am wondering about that FL
He fits into my earlier mid-activity suspects pool

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.10

[8] SirCakez (ManWithNoName, MariaR, Bell, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, midwaybear, Lady Lambdadelta, Guillotina)
[6] noraa (Fermis Flames, SirCakez, Flavor Leaf, Battle Mage, Cabd, Cobra Kai)
[2] Cobra Kai (REAGAN BUSH 84, noraa)
[2] MariaR (l4pe, beeboy)
[1] Firebringer (unwnd)
[1] Gamma Emerald (Brian Skies)
[1] Lady Lambdadelta (Firebringer)

[1] Not Voting (Will catch up later maybe)

With 22 alive, it is 12 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-30 13:00:00)

VOTE: sircakez

we can still do this! go town!

(Noraa, BM, Cobra)
3 down?

[SirCakez]

I agree w/FL that LLD trying to set up a Cabd elim tomorrow was bad

[SirCakez]

I prefer cakez. I still think his response was very off.

Off is such a meaningless word
What was off

Cakez does not have a cool head
and his reads and approaches feel very backwards.

I also don't think it makes sense how he's flipping the emotional switch on and off when somebody else gets voted/yeeted.

I never have a cool head
Wdym emotional switch

[SirCakez]

I’m about to get wagon’d, I feel it. But who starts it.

Literally nobody wants this why bring it up

[SirCakez]

Cobra calling FL under the radar was such a trash take

[SirCakez]

I agree w/FL that LLD trying to set up a Cabd elim tomorrow was bad

I would love it if you joined LLD for now.

I am going to get massively shredded by the shadow cabal if I do this because it feeds into their bizarro narrative that Noraa and I are buddies doing scum theatre
And I don't feel that strongly about LLD anyways
Noraa is better vote

[SirCakez]

Really don’t like Cakez saying that Noraa is a better vote when I was basically the first one to go Noraa.

Except I have been SRing Noraa for a long time, nearly all game

[SirCakez]

I am thinking about the LLD vote
A lot on my mind right now

[SirCakez]

You have a Cabd who’s about to case you well even if you are town. He is currently not even voting you.

You are going to be faded if you stay on Noraa here and are town.

There's only two votes on LLD and most people have not even offered LLD as a wagon option
Noraa has 6 votes atm
How can you guarantee it will go anywhere

[SirCakez]

VOTE: LLD
You got me