Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[Isis]

oka I need you to accomplish the 1 day challeng for my wincon

[Isis]

isis ur posts this game have such a gr8 lighthearted mood to it.

i appreciate u.

ty fb
it's not a towntell though I am scum

[Isis]

VOTE: shell

[Isis]

this game is full of things i want to be psychology-party-trick scumtells. Drew's didn't work out but

[Isis]

Maybe dunkarin can lastpair

[Isis]

Hmmm, it's possible commenting on pairing solidarity dance1 isn't protown in general, since targetting other pairs is optimal during dance1 anyway. My impulse is no, please don't?

Tell me whether I should RVS MariaR though

[Isis]

I think I'm happy with my vote

[Isis]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Isis]

I'm not happy with my vote

[Isis]

I just remembered I'm an idiot

this setup punishes scum instead of town when you fail to meet deadline, I worked that out last dance game and forgot about it

That makes DDDGB elimination dumb

ewpqiprondp;unvpauenrpuaneufrnepfjnhep

[Isis]

that feeling when you roll IC but you are bad at town

[Isis]

I'm confused how it works, the Bulge is low activity, so shouldn't she be crossed out?

I think I townread Bulge, Shelly, and MariaR the least (but I'm like, proxy townreading MariaR)

[Isis]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Isis]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Isis]

2196 and 2188 are scumposts and leuz is probably misreading his partner

[Isis]

2196 has this tone that sounds more like it's commiserating that a fun to hang out with slot is an optimal mislim rather than commiserating that maybe someone she likes rolls scum. There's a scummy inconsistency in the post, where she indicated she doesn't expect she can allow the pairing to last pair, but then later she says she hopes the slot starts townspewing. From a scum perspective it would mean she has an excuse to play more with a pairing she enjoys, but from a town perspective it would mean the pairing moves into the grey area where it doesn't feel right to kill it but also maybe you lose the game if you don't kill it which emotionallly ydrasse shouldn't be craving

[Isis]

2188 I feel less strongly about it just seems like scum ambivalence more than town ambivalence but it's a guttake I won't double down on that one

[Isis]

What's an aeropress? I was thinking of buying a coffeemaker but haven't pulled the trigger yet

It was gonna be a keurig cause I'm super lazy though

[Isis]

I know the taste can be a lot better with fancy coffeemakers so maybe I should be notLazy

[Isis]

Mena do you take your coffee with cream or sugar I might unvote if you answer correctly.

[Isis]

I'm pretty terrible at reading all sorts of people mena included.

[Isis]

I do kinda wanna do shelly if Ydrasse is green

[Isis]

doesn't shelly prefer scum though

[Isis]

I'm paranoid no one is really defending sheltic, but I guess no one is really defending Ydrazional either aside from leuz rabidly defending the pair.

[Isis]

Phoneposting

Maria luez contains scum almost for sure

wtf is this post actually

[Isis]

so shelly is bussing you?
I can roll with that.

[Isis]

leuz do you think you can convince

me

that bussing during dance1 of this setup is strong?

me

?

me?

[Isis]

No it's a joke because I omegahardbussed Oka when I played this setup in Starry Night lol.

[Isis]

I don't think you're locktown but you're town enough I don't want to worry about it, I think
Ydrasse is the problem.

[Isis]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[Isis]

VOTE: shelly because the coffee question was right

[Isis]

mena would be wolfreading me so hard if I wasn't confirmed

it's so funny

[Isis]

i laughed aloud

[Isis]

Hectic you play too much mafia stahp

[Isis]

Death Curse

she just rolls scum a lot... it's not my fault

GOTTEM
VOTE: Hectic

[Isis]

cause you rolled the dice for the alignment rand for Death Curse.. which makes it your fault shelly was scum.. it's funny... don't make me feel lousy Hectic..

[Isis]

VOTE: Fire

[Isis]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

VOTE: leuz I'm just going to do what Dunnstral is doing and kill him if he doesn't find me scum

[Isis]

Why do you keep evolving into new forms, Isis

should I be afraid of what you'll become by the end of this

Spoiler:

[Isis]

>_>

[Isis]

i'm p sure mena has a toxicity accidental trust tell and it's kinda yucky.
It doesn't say very much about Ydrasse though, and telling me I should blindly bet the game on his reads and discussing a series of misreads in the same breath is kind of (?)

[Isis]

epic games store wants to gimme a free game that's half puzzle game half campy high school dating sim at a monster high school

surely this is worth the hard drive space

I feel like even if I don't play it I will feel that my life is more complete having this awful mess downloaded

[Isis]

pls no
achievements are dumb

[Isis]

VOTE: The Bulge

[Isis]

prein

[Isis]

it's scum indicative to derail the thread though

camry oil

[Isis]

I'm pocketed

[Isis]

Shelly is scummier than you

[Isis]

dunkarin haven't been explicit about having mega mutual townreads and I kind of don't want them to.

[Isis]

VOTE: shelly

[Isis]

Bulge has an IIoAish iso that it's kind of ok if the slot dies.


I'm sorry you're ill, Maria

[Isis]

ehh dont feel like i deserve a townread, but that doesn't mean i am gonnna put up with scumreads

leuz why can't you play like this

[Isis]

Are you upset with me @isis

A bit yes

[Isis]

People calling themselves locktown is annoying but I partly understand the psychology of it. Talking about other people's perceived skill level in a tone like they don't deserve to be playing the same games with you is a different kind of hurtful

[Isis]

I am not sure when I became mama isis but that seems like something that has happened

[Isis]

I am not sure when I became mama isis but that seems like something that has happened

It's when you stopped becoming pops

I think Akarin has permanently cursed me by informing me that your posts might have jokes in them if I think to notice them, because I think I'm going to cringe at the ones she laughs at.

[Isis]

this game is incredibly hard, anyone know if shelly is the type of player to dance with someone for fun

shelly is super tryhard isn't she?

[Isis]

like she's a tryhard personality player whose WIM is low right now

categorically different from a casual player whose WIM is average atm like Swizzle

so loldancing would be nagl for shellyc

I don't remember shelly saying she loldanced though

pedit: Oka do you think I'm a tryhard

[Isis]

I prefer to believe Dunnstral transcends emotions

[Isis]

I spent like 45 minutes trying to figure out how I could make this avatar, but perfect looping, but I gave up

[Isis]

The animation is a 20 second loop in the game, and if I dropped the framerate I think I could keep the filesize small enough to include the whole loop

I just didn't have the tech savvy to figure out gif editors and adapters and stuff to work it all the way out

[Isis]

if Okapoka is scum I will weep

[Isis]

Oka is a charming lad

[Isis]

I want Mena to tell me which pools in the defacto limpool can't be scum together-cant both contain scum

[Isis]

lol read my most recent town game and tell me I'm a good town teamplayer. I won't judge for going against the crowd.

it's just I think you might be scum tho

Isn't that game about what a good scumplayer I am tho

[Isis]

Oka is significantly townier than Isis.

</3

the looping gif is a little less than double the filesize limit for the site's avatars

[Isis]

what's the buzz re:the boy, isis?

have you read this game and my posts in it

[Isis]

okapoka say the line

[Isis]

I think it scumsides to inform a replaced-in slot that I'm IC
but also like idk if I want to win a game off such shenanigans
moral dilemmas

[Isis]

Bell actually has a shocking number of posts in the game thread as well.

can you tell me what one of them are about?
can you describe what more of them are about than I can?
These are the same question

[Isis]

I think my interactions with Isis are probably TT. I know she claimed scum at one point, but still I just don't buy it off the Teetee nees of the interactions...

our interactions are pirate-ninja

[Isis]

i’m standing on my widows walk waiting for my dance partner to sail back into our pt

Ydrasse that's dark as fuck

[Isis]

My eye didn't see the word "walk"

[Isis]

Hm also you can't be alive to talk about your own widows huh

[Isis]

I like Akarin too much

[Isis]

VOTE: Isis

[Isis]

The leuz ydrasse PT of reciprocal just trust us townreads is super infuriating

[Isis]

I'm really bad at town so this game is my special chance to get N1ed for the first and last time this year

[Isis]

Oh wait would Pooky had had to have taken away scum!Bell's partner?
I think I didn't get it before

[Isis]

Shelly used my word

[Isis]

Hectic sir do you think I'm townreading or scumread your offer to leave the dance take wild guesses

[Isis]

Hectic sir do you think I'm townreading or scumread your offer to leave the dance take wild guesses

Hmmmmmmmmm

scumread? I could've asked shelly in our dance PT instead *taps top hat*

And yet you chose to lamist instead

[Isis]

Oh wow Fakedog fixed the breaking strategy I pointed out I could swear that wasn't there before.

How much town equity do Hectic and shelly get for this. I feel like they get some??

[Isis]

VOTE: bulge

[Isis]

oh, it's if the game runs out of time, not if a phase runs out of time. So performing no eliminations in dance1 does still have the highest value

[Isis]

i'm doing catchup but that has a funny relationship with what happened to be the last post in the thread >_<

[Isis]

Yeah we lose if we run out of time in dance2. I interpreted "game" to mean, the aggregate of the mechanics the game has to offer you, but it's supposed to be, the amount of time the game offers you, which is 26 days minus hammer shortenings.

[Isis]

if you wanna lim me for paranoia or whatever, fine, but I also don’t want it to feel cheap? Like you need to define whether you actually think there’s a chance me or Bell is scum, or what you’re paranoid about

Um, I did.

And the logic of all of this is about the way the setup plays out anyway. I'm arguing we should be eliminating the pair that we can't imagine being un-paranoid about enough to ever make Last Pair no matter what, rather than "most scummy."

So that's like inherently different than your categorizing this as "limming you for paranoia"

technically though we should not be limming at all lol

[Isis]

VOTE: Isis

[Isis]

it was a mistake the first time I just frogot

[Isis]

I get what you're saying but that's purely psychological

also why don't you have a dragalia avatar

[Isis]

the new one is fine tho
dunno what it's from

[Isis]

The point of no-limming is that the mafia can never accidentally kill the person who actually would have been the second pair-lim of the game
If we hadn't limmed at all, that statement would be able to say "first".

The second one is more meaningful though, I think the gamestate is flat enough that there's some value to no-limming.

[Isis]

If there was a super obvious consensus T-T pair we could just be like "nothing we do changes the NK" and would just get to spilling wine

[Isis]

I'm really upset that Hectic has repped out

[Isis]

make sure you're an active participant in the targeting of the factional nightkill

[Isis]

chemist your slot called the IC a "stinky, slimy scum-slug" and tried to force her to suicide by threatening grey's anatomy spoilers, care to comment?

Don't talk about ongoing games






[[This is a facetious joke]]

[Isis]

Chemist thinking of being the person forced out by spoilers is towny and also her approach just in general is towny but I already felt like this was a townslot and miss Hectic and want him back so I can convince him to leave scumshelly

[Isis]

Chemist is town and her pairing has exactly one town

[Isis]

Isis can I discuss last pair choice anywhere? Or are my no-go’s the only even vaguely acceptable topic broaching that subject?

Mainly don't talk about whether you think your own pair has last pair potential and don't talk about whether beeboy is last pair potential (talk about how charming he is though).

Others are ok, especially if not everyone takes up the topic

[Isis]

Oka, at this point
can the mafia NK anyone without providing us info?

It's gotten to the point where that's a thing too

so then that info would inform the next lim.

I think it's worth sacrificing the sands of time.

[Isis]

VOTE: beeboy

Let's vote eachother crisscross, darling

[Isis]

I don't wannaaaaa

[Isis]

Dunn do you have scum PT access and can tell me if scum are sure about the NK already?

[Isis]

why does okafire have such a ring to it

[Isis]

Firebringer's avatar is scummy

[Isis]

Meesa has decided that tha powaz of de senate shou be vested in Chancellor OkaPoka!

[Isis]

Dance with Ydrasse

[Isis]

Isis help me catch up now that I'm not sick in bed ty

um, I can't read posts for you, but some points to focus on about the game would be figuring out if Firebringer and Bell are scum-low-WIM or town-low-WIM.

You could also maybe focus wherever you want, I feel like every pair could be scum and every pair could be Last Pair

[Isis]

I think it's clear enough
...

FakeGod, will the game immediately end in a win, loss, or tie if the deadline is reached before any more pairs leave the dance?

[Isis]

First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached. During the intermission, Mafia may secretly force one of the dance pairs to leave. Second dance will then begin, and continue until the game's end.

[Isis]

mechanically/theoretically, 100%. Pragmatically, considering town enthusiasm and deadline utilization, like 65% sure

[Isis]

Night overlaps American Thanksgiving really well if we don't eliminate

[Isis]

Is chemist with Shelly? I guess if support is so much higher than I thought than she never gets NKed so at that point voting her is fine I guess?

[Isis]

they're pretty good

are you not going to tell me whether chemist is with shelly

[Isis]

no i'm asking whether they are dancing with eachother i'm that level of out of it

[Isis]

Hi Ydrasse are you scum?

[Isis]

I really want to see the NK, then flip the next pair

[Isis]

I feel worried that you would say that even if you were scum

!

[Isis]

That makes me suspicious of you!

[Isis]

I believe we should respect the wishes of our dear leader in fact everyone should be obedient to the leader, no matter who it is, as long as we follow proper succession procedures

yeah folks did you know if OkaPoka submits an NK on me my official position here is that my ICness and authority passes to OkaPoka

[Isis]

everyone hates me

firebringer why do you hate me I'm the only one that townreads you

[Isis]

I'm actually not sure whether I should townread you

this outburst is intriguing but I'm not sure how to read it

[Isis]

I lied about my read on you because I'm scum

[Isis]

Do you think Bulge is scummy for accepting no-elim just because I want it? She seems kind of apathetic about it

[Isis]

its way more fun to do that when ur not ic. u know?

For you, you'd greatly prefer to do it as unconfirmed, for me, I find a certain kind of pleasure in it that I like better than scumclaiming unconfirmed. We are all special snowflakes

[Isis]

is apathy on a town winstreak scummy or towny?

[Isis]

I was just wondering about that. I don't think that's true though. I think it depends on your mood and what's going on with the game.

[Isis]

i think it's possible our consensus reads are pretty good, and additionally we got pooky out, so maybe Bulge is scummy winstreak apathy?

Bulge is probably my biggest scumread right now

[Isis]

VOTE: The Bulge

[Isis]

why join if you don't believe in it firedog?

[Isis]

BULGE

can you scumpocket me and make me feel better
assuage Firebringer making me feel bad about myself
in ways that do not actually evidence that you are town but make me feel that way anyway

[Isis]

what does pogging mean?

[Isis]

i really wish i was unconfirmed so I could go "man, I have no idea who the scum is, like always, but at least I proved my slot town" or "man, I have no idea who the scum is, like always, but they are eliminating me so I guess I'm not the person that decision falls to anymore so that works out nicely doesn't it"

[Isis]

what does poggers mean

[Isis]

ok so beeboy has not exactly played a lot in the PT as of yet

[Isis]

he threw out this crazy strong pocket townread on mariaR at the start of dance1 though, which I think I should count in his favor

[Isis]

I actually want to LP okafire is it crazy

[Isis]

yes this is the phase of the game where beeboy fully posts in the thread and stuff and if he's not towny enough I will leave him

[Isis]

i was trying to close-to-the-vest that i was willing to LP ydrasse-leuz

i think figureing out which players would have seen into my soul about that oculd be key to winning this game

[Isis]

beeboy like halfplayed in the pt we will see if like speakers turn to 11 okay!?!? if he is scum then scum knew how lackluster he is? but like also thats the scenarios where i leave him

anwyay. we just see!!!

at current default state. i do not LP him. But to be fair to him he was playing by diff rules before we should let him have a chance to creat a diff world here

[Isis]

Wasn't beeboy supposed to be secretly playing the game in the pt?

like i frequently asked him for thoughts

and didnt exactly get them

partially i did!

but if i tattled on him i'd set his equity to 0 and iirc we are at 8 pairs now? so that would be prodigal

pandora jumped out of my lap while i was tyring ot construct this thought
i am much sad
i loves her

[Isis]

its ok she stayed by computer chair cause she loves me

[Isis]

i encourage analysis of hectic-isis pair vs beeboy-isis pairatm

[Isis]

Wasn't beeboy supposed to be secretly playing the game in the pt?

Yes but the way the strat works, if for whatever reason he is unable to, it's suboptimal for me to tattle on him, because scum might have fearfully killed a T-T Isis-beeboy where beeboy was just having a hardlurky towngame

That didn't happen and if he doesn't obvtown I have to leave him

[Isis]

Ok I'll be real OkaFire is just T/T and I really don't think anything else past that point actually matters, my reservation on the team was Fire but he sort of has popped off dance 2 so now I am chillinig with the pair.

I am really unsure which one of you would want to just keep me alive which is why I am sort of stuck right now, arguably my main "anchor player" is already dead as well and it would be bold to assume I would defend Bulge there because I uh really wasn't he was the only thing that resembled a scum read I posted.

ok i've gotten to this point in my catchup and now I think maybe I just want to bully everyone into an okafire LP since my beau is into it.

[Isis]

plus if there is a s-s pair it would have to be shelly-chemist

I thought about this. It is true

[Isis]

If we decide that okafire LP is the way to win the game, then to keep it from being possible to lose from the S-S parity against T-T possibility, then we need to eliminate my pair second-to-last, because my pair is never S-S.

I think it's pretty unlikely dunkarin is S-S but it's possible? yknow

[Isis]

okapoka what do you think about your dance partner

[Isis]

Waiting for a replacement just to get new reads is kinda dirty.

Tbh the only reason I don't want chemist to leave is cause she has been fun this game.

[Isis]

i am super drunkk but
yesyesyeyseyseyseysyeyseyeyseysyey<@<@<#<<#<#<@<<3#<3<33,#,<3<3
*waltz*

[Isis]

Akarin you are the finest of dancers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Isis]

omg you can get away with so much sloppy in swing dance!!!!

[Isis]

spinning is so good

[Isis]

I townread beeboy at like a 55, Dunnstral at like a 65, Firebringer at like a 60, Akarin at like a 70, OkaPoka at like a 90. I townread myself at about a 20

[Isis]

i feel like "oh i'm conftown I should go solve the game" but like also whichever pair we eliminate next is conftown (when this premise is faulty it doesn't matter it's faulty)

And I want more input on sorting.

And like despite beeboy not doing anything for 160 pages he actually seems to care most genuinely about this last bit of sorting so y'all's late game is managing to miss a really low bar somehow cmon people.

[Isis]

does beeboy roll scum and accept a carry when he's with.. oh, wait. Eh. Maybe

[Isis]

I mean I've thought about leaving dance right away here but I worry the T-T pair among you will be twice as likely to explode itself as the T-S pair is, whereas if I vote a pair out, agonize over it a while, then leave, there's never a point where a T-T was more likely to leave in the 4P gamestate where voting no longer truly functions

[Isis]

that pooky assoc is twtbw

[Isis]

the dance PT highlights is:

MariaR is strongtown because she tried to cooperate with beeboy

We should analyze Pooky for bussing later (hindsight, this process nets a scum, though probably not the one that can most reliably carry)

Oka has been a scummy noiseposter (this read is so bad it's scummy right?)

He strongly townreads Dunnstral, he's been consistent on that but has never explained it.

[Isis]

I'm leaning towards flipping Dunkarin then leaving the dance but I'm open to possibly flipping Firebringer then leaving the dance.

[Isis]

After playing a dance 4 player game state in marathons and getting disgusted with it I don't want to let this go 4p unless I'm in the 4p, but I'm pretty strongly inclined towards leaving right now so either of you can be LP.

It'd take an astounding associative case for me to LP myself after the iso rereads I did. Oka's pairing analysis thing doesn't click for me perfectly because Dunnstral did actually make dance overtures towards me

[Isis]

Bored is not the right word

I have been agonizing about these reads

[Isis]

Play to your win, not to told you sos.

Firebringer I just want to hear from the others a little more. I know you're bored. Want to write a story together?

[Isis]

VOTE: Akarin

[Isis]

I believe in townbinning slots and just never revisiting them sometimes, Oka. Your slot is being treated that way.

[Isis]

it does not mean I'm 100% certain on the read. It means there's a tipping point where the marginal utility of reconsidering the read further has just fallen off compared to other things I could be doing.

[Isis]

don't lie

[Isis]

in hindishgt my reads weren't really that muuch better than dunny, i just waanted way more correct pairings to die thn him, i was wrong which one of paair waas scum everytime. But damn this has to have been dunnys worst town game in a long ass time.

that affects "bragging rights" but not associative implications.


I lean towards leaving the dance, but I definitely don't feel strongly enough about it to snatch agency away from OkaPoka. OkaPoka if you want to reread and re-solve and stuff, do what you want.

I think Firebringer is less likely to be scum than beeboy, but I don't know for sure. Beeboy's choice to pair with me seems like it can fit a story where beeboy is scum. Beeboy hadn't read the whole game, the game was going very fast. It's incredibly difficult to obvtown as either alignment if you don't read the whole game. Pairing with me would let him secure some kind of value for his team in spite of an inability to clear his slot: removing the IC mechanic from the setup.

I've correctly read Fire town a couple times, but I wish there was a past case where I had correctly read him scum so I could feel more confident about this.

[Isis]

Firebringer you're mean

[Isis]

He doesn't contradict the ideas of scum not wanting to cannibalize pooky and with how the day played out, it scum!Fire would play like this.

what u talking about i was the only oone saying tht i think pooky was just thrown under the buss and scum could have saved them but choose not to

the predominant narrative was taylor = town for dancing with bell over pooky; and i was like only one who really disagreed.

in the sense that beeboy!scum would be stealing isis away from pooky by entering the pool and pooky kinda just stopped caring after that.

By the time beeboy joined the game it was pretty obvious I was never dancing with Pooky. Which makes the rider beeboy put in one of his post that like, if I somehow changed my mind about that, it'd be a fine choice, scummy and awkward imo

[Isis]

Okapoka, the scumteam seemed to have no plan, and mostly let the townies miselim by PoEing players who did not do things that made it possible for those townies to get townread.

The scumteam didn't architect a single miselim all game, except Firebringer holding responsibility for the Dunnstral elim if it's fire.


So I think the perspective of it just being a safe scumteam that does the safe obvious thing over and over works so well

it's a kind of scumteam that nightkills the IC
unless they literally can't.

[Isis]

I feel like if Fire is scum he played an ok game that's not embarrassing to lose to and usually when I feel that way I don't like actually have to shake hands with the person who played the ok game that's not embarrassing to lose to because it's yeah the person was actually town.

There are games that go differently but..

beeboy are you gonna post anything?

[Isis]

Firebringer do you townread okapoka

[Isis]

My choice to give beeboy an opportunity to post instead of terminating the eLo here is dedicated to Akarin; she should know why

[Isis]

is it not playing to wincon to leave dance to reward Firebringer for making me laugh

[Isis]

I'm a listmod!?!?!?

[Isis]

that doesn't sound plausible

[Isis]

I actually doubt mith knows I'm a listmod

[Isis]

it was bloodless

[Isis]

I'm so angry that that made me smile you will never fully understand

[Isis]

"you" is okapoka btw

[Isis]

My cousin loves thumbprint cookies

[Isis]

Fire asks vital questions that need answering.

ty;

next question:
What color is your socks?

I got out of bed to open my lights to answer this question btw.
Grey, Black on the sole and toes with little white anchors on it.
Also black again around the top.

Ahhhh

[Isis]

Beeboy if you had time to play this game but didn't that kind of hurts my feelings

[Isis]

He's posted what either alignment of him needs to post to win
Right?

[Isis]

prolly gonna iso firebringer one more time today

[Isis]

Who was LLD's partner in the dream?

[Isis]

Dance partner I mean

[Isis]

leave dance

[Isis]

i didnt play well this one

[Isis]

I thought the dream was town indicative

[Isis]

but like not so town indicative that i courageously made that statement before the flip lololol

[Isis]

i forgive you mena

[Isis]

FakeGod we proved town can win 4 scum dance you will keep it right? pleaaaase

[Isis]

why are there spectators i do not want more eyes on me ICing fakedog dance down to f4 and leaving like a dizzy possum

[Isis]

I need you to clarify that that is concocted

[Isis]

Please Please Please Please

[Isis]

Cabd I would never torture you like this

[Isis]

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