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I’m catching up by reading properly now but at this point in the game I actually find myself... vining... with mastina’s reads and I’m not sure how to feel about thatIn post 116, Save The Dragons wrote:mastina's reads look random to me?-
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Also.. I think... this makes DN townIn post 121, DeathNote wrote:I took the time to read what total war does and yes I would like that please.
VOTE: total: war-
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My initial thought was that DN was scummy for over-justifying what was actually a useless vote.
However, as scum, why would he state so confidently that he has read about total war when his entire post clearly indicates he has no idea what is going on? Particularly since I expect that this would have already been a talking point in the Russian PT and/or scum would put more thought into where they vote and how it will be perceived.
DN’s post appears to me very likely to come from someone unaligned and alone in the world.-
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Such projected confidenceIn post 266, Et Al wrote:
Which is clearly NAI in this case, so why bring it up?In post 264, Nexus wrote:LAMIST
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Why not focus on engaging with the people who have stale/no experience with you, in such a way that they can better read you, instead?In post 275, Et Al wrote:
You must be really bad at reading emotion then.In post 274, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I SMELL ONLY FEAR WHEN SOMETHINGSCUM TALKS
Btw, I would like to get normalpooky back before long. I could probably use his support given that a lot of people here have stale or no experience with me (stale being arguably worse).
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I am genuinely unclear on your approach here and most importantly I’m unclear on how it is town-driven.-
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I thought that you were responding to concerns about your alignment with what essentially amounted to “you’re obviously wrong, duuuh! Why are you even saying that?”In post 278, Et Al wrote:What did you think I was doing in 266 and 273?
I mean I'm being more snarky than I could be, so if you think it's inhibiting comprehension, I can tone it down. But I feel like I've been engaging with the claims that I objected to (such as yours, and earlier mastina's).
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Just in different words.
For example your question to me has an obvious answer. You were confidently stating in your post that the alleged LAMIST was NAI.
Your question to Nexus had an even more obvious answer. You asked why he brought up the LAMIST. I think it’s pretty easy to infer that he thought it was relevant for your alignment.
So you didn’t actually need to ask these questions to clarify our motivations. So then why ask them? My current hypothesis is that you’re scum trying to look busy and as if you’re engaging and bothered by people suspecting you (which you would be regardless of your alignment, to be fair).
And this is because your engagement is superficial and hollow, as if you are trying to replicate what you would do as town but haven’t quite found that groove and are getting frustrated that it’s not working out.
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I always love a good mystery.In post 285, Vaxkiller wrote:At this point, imnot going to point out what post is setting me off, but im prolly going to nuke someone that is pushing stupidly for stupid reasons and then actually follows thru with a stupid nuke action.
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The comments on being scumread because of your playstyle really don’t do much for me and I also don’t appreciate the implication that I need to be familiar with you in order to read you.In post 304, Et Al wrote:
Well, yes and no. Yes because that is what I'm saying, but I still feel like that qualifies as engaging, because I'm inviting people to talk more about the thing that I disagree with them on.In post 282, DeasVail wrote:I thought that you were responding to concerns about your alignment with what essentially amounted to “you’re obviously wrong, duuuh! Why are you even saying that?”
The snark, as I said, was probably unnecessary. But I get scumread for playstyle things in virtually every game I play, and I'm a bit sick of it, especially since people don't tend to respond charitably to my attempts to explain otherwise (see: Nexus).
Also, this is kinda interesting-- there's nothing in here that suggests that this behavior is more likely to be from scum than from town. I don'tIn post 282, DeasVail wrote:And this is because your engagement is superficial and hollow, as if you are trying to replicate what you would do as town but haven’t quite found that groove and are getting frustrated that it’s not working out.feellike my engagement is more superficial than it usually is at this stage in the game, but maybe it looks different from the outside. And so I certainly would be frustrated that it's not working out-- as either alignment. (Also, how do you know that I'm trying toreplicatewhat I do as town if you've never even played with me? What makes you think this isn't just what I do as town?)
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The reason for my thoughts was that much of your posting felt like what scum would do trying to do what they would do as town, because a lot of it didn’t actually make much sense to me as coming from town. (What I said about the questions to me and nexus being unnecessary and likely not thought through)
Btw I also don’t see what your complaint is about Nexus given you responded to his suspicion with “it’s clearly NAI”. That’s really shutting down any further conversation-
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I mean, if my post 282 didn’t satisfy then I don’t have anything more to say right now.In post 321, Et Al wrote:
Can you elaborate on this? Why doesn't it seem like something town would do?In post 319, DeasVail wrote:a lot of it didn’t actually make much sense to me as coming from town
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I have been reading you as pretty townIn post 352, Titus wrote:
No. It's a very Titus defect.In post 350, Vaxkiller wrote:
so you cant obv town? cmon titusIn post 335, Titus wrote:I actually would want an obvtown player to grab fallout shelter. It'd be shitty for me personally but a way to keep obvtown alive is good.-
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This seems kind of superficialIn post 464, T3 wrote:
High postcount, low content.In post 450, Bell wrote:
Why? What do you scum read me for now?In post 445, T3 wrote:I scumread bell, so Im not sure about this.-
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My location is a lie too!In post 469, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 465, DeasVail wrote:This seems kind of superficial
THIS PERSONS LOCATION GIVES AWAY THAT HE IS NOT TRULY AN AMERICAN PATRIOT AND IS INSTEAD HIDING ON A DIFFERENT CONTINENT-
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I'm interested in this vote because I had the opposite impression.
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Though this seems rather out of the blue. Did I miss something?In post 483, T3 wrote:I've never rolled scum.-
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Apologies for not being very PRESENT. I will probably be reading up on everything tonight but something I really didn’t expect was how the game design makes it really difficult (for me at least) to identify the point of posting (or even thinking, really) anything of proper substance at this point.
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Oh hi, sorry for missing this, and for generally being a real wet blanket. I will be better tomorrowIn post 827, Merlot wrote:i actually do feel like this stuff matters tho bc beyond the setup and who gets what like we’re clearly able to scrape some stuff out of all this or at least i feel i have + i have a high opinion of you currently deas from team maf so i really would like to vibe a bit if you’re around later-
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I was moreso questioning the assertion that trolls and Americans are mutually exclusive but I do agree with you generally.In post 1347, Mognet wrote:Why not? The description is accurate.
Some kupos are taking a laid back approach versus hunting Russians. Some people are determined to be laid back. This seems an accurate statement does it not? Am I missing something cute animal Kupo?
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I've read up to page 50 and I'm taking a break but I also feel like posting something, partly so that it looks like I'm doing something and partly because I might forget what my thoughts are otherwise.
But here we go.
People I think are town:
LLD
Mognet
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marry
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If you didn't make the cut, I'm sorry. But you still have between page 50 and 60 to make it onto my list so there's a chance!-
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you were closeIn post 1487, VFP wrote:
This seems a scam, my last post was page 49.In post 1486, DeasVail wrote:If you didn't make the cut, I'm sorry. But you still have between page 50 and 60 to make it onto my list so there's a chance!-
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I will but it won't happen right now.In post 1494, gorilla wrote:
Can you explain these a little bit? Just a sentence or two for each one would be fine.In post 1486, DeasVail wrote:I've read up to page 50 and I'm taking a break but I also feel like posting something, partly so that it looks like I'm doing something and partly because I might forget what my thoughts are otherwise.
But here we go.
People I think are town:
LLD
Mognet
Pooky
Et Al
Koto
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samantha97
marry
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If you didn't make the cut, I'm sorry. But you still have between page 50 and 60 to make it onto my list so there's a chance!-
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Okay I've caught up on the current day and there is still a fair bit of the previous day and Mastina wagon stuff that I haven't read and still want to, but I'm mostly still cool with the town list I posted in 1486, with probable additions of The Entity, Bell, Joqiza and Robert M Hunter. Maybe some more caution around Samantha for me because there have been a couple of posts that have made me go HMMM but I don't think I'd be in a position to actually properly consider that slot as scum right now.
The other slots I am still thinking about and them not being a townread for me could be either due to suspicion or because I haven't felt able to sort them yet. Reasons for my townreads will probably have to wait until I have more time/they're more relevant because I've been disorganised unfortunately.
At the forefront of my mind for scum might actually be Vaxkiller? I actually kind of agree with mastina's initial reasoning for "scumreading" them. A lot of Vax's interactions do feel forced or unnatural, as if an attempt to project a certain image rather than just Vax posting.
Recent examples that stuck out to me included 1941 where Vaxkiller is essentially brushing off a disagreement rather than trying to resolve or explore it, but seems to me like something scum would do when they're trying to engage with town but don't actually know how to do this naturally. Similar thing in 1934. There seems to be little effort (or care) to actually convince people that T3 is town.
I am aware that Vax voted Mastina early but it was the sort of vote that I think a buddy could have found themselves stuck on after the wagon had materialised. Indeed Vaxkiller did not particularly do anything to push that wagon through.-
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Hi!In post 2049, Save The Dragons wrote:rereading day 3 atm
VOTE: mognet
how come prism and mognet both seem uninterested in mastina
i like VFP for town - mastina also tried to cast shade onto that slot and i don't see scum doing that to an absent partnerIn post 1078, Prism wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller
Never in my life did I see myself chainsawing for mastina, though this vote is less about having a townread on her and more about not liking Vax's opening and explanation of their houghts on Pooky
i like vax for town - i like their posts
cephrir and lld too - obvious reasons
interesting...In post 1234, Titus wrote:I am shocked at how fast this wagon is going and no counters are emerging.
have you read the game koto, any thoughts?In post 1388, Koto wrote:Hello fellow commanders.
I am the new leader of Washington facility. Hopefully, the last one.
Any urgent matters?
joqiza seems town - i like their posts
i like church for town - i like 1475
i like dv for town though i'm sad i'm not on his town list though i've probably given no reason to be added to it
something pings me about gorilla
why T3?In post 1548, gorilla wrote:VOTE: T3
I said I'd vote on the largest wagon but you don't need my help to push it through so I'm going to make a symbolic vote.
i like marry for town - i think i'd be sad if marry were scum
probably need to reread again tbh still trying to get my head around this game
I would like to hear a bit more about the mognet vote here. I feel like there is a lot more to the slot than prism chainsawing mastina and so I'm interested in what you think of all the other stuff or are just ignoring it etc.?
I also am interested in why you think I'm town. Any townread on me here is honestly a bit of a surprise considering that I am wracked with guilt every time I think about opening the thread!-
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I feel like this is pretty clearly referring to "use it" as a claim?In post 2115, Cephrir wrote:
Use it?In post 2074, VFP wrote:
Well since mastina was eavesdropper , it's probable scum discussed and wanted to use it with no CC risk.In post 2065, Mognet wrote:VFP, assume Marry is scum. Why does scum Marry fake claim eavesdropper multiple times?
I didn't take the claims I saw as hard claim though. mastina flipping eavesdropper negates that as any argument here.
Townslip for not knowing what the eavesdropper is??-
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This but I object slightly more because I think Robert's town and I don't like eliminating town?In post 2320, Cephrir wrote:i read robert's stuff around his role as town having no idea how to play their role. i think he is claiming Counterintelligence, and i have trouble imagining scum with that role making the posts he's made. i am not locktowning it by any means but that's why i'm not looking to vote there at this moment. on the other hand, that role would be no great loss, so i will not object strenuously if we go there.-
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Out of the wagons going right now, Nexus feels the most likely to flip scum. While the others have points in their favour that I feel make them town, Nexus has just been... there. I don't confidently believe him to be scum, but it's the sort of situation where I feel like that's possible, whereas I am less convinced by the other wagons.
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YesIn post 2356, The Entity wrote:
So less "I have reasons to scumread Nexus" and more "I have reasons to townread people other than Nexus"?In post 2344, DeasVail wrote:Out of the wagons going right now, Nexus feels the most likely to flip scum. While the others have points in their favour that I feel make them town, Nexus has just been... there. I don't confidently believe him to be scum, but it's the sort of situation where I feel like that's possible, whereas I am less convinced by the other wagons.
I would consider a VFP vote maybe though.-
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Why town-STD?In post 2464, Vaxkiller wrote:@gorilla
Townbloc
Vaxkiller
gorilla
LadyLamdaDelta
T3
SaveTheDragons
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I also don't really have much more to say. My townreads are largely unchanged. Of all the people being wagoned and their reactions, Nexus feels the most detached. I really could see the slot flipping either way, but I seriously think that Robert and IV are both bad eliminations. VFP I feel "eh" about.-
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From me, yes. I must admit I haven’t read your posts very closelyIn post 2530, innocentvillager wrote:Deas and samantha i assume the TRs on me are because of Mognet? nothing I have done is AI yet right?-
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It has been a while since I updated my read on you but I remember liking the almost free-association nature of your reads lists. There may have also been something more specific that I liked, from memory, but I forget exactly what that was. I’m at work now and plan to check later, but it’s not the sort of thing that’s urgent for me rn.In post 2533, The Church of Skitter wrote:DeasVail - @DeasVail why do you townread us? It's weird because I feel like you confidently TR us while several people are suspecting us and I'm not sure what to think of this so if you could bring light to this that would be cool.-
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It is one of the more compelling cases out thereIn post 2771, Cephrir wrote:imagine having 110 pages of game and your case being "3rd vote = scum"-
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Samantha, I need to know more about where your head is at. Your dedication to your early scumread on me is admirable and led to my early townread on you, but the more that it goes on without much else in the way of productive thought, the more I liken you to one of those one-hit wonder bands that continue to play their one hit at gigs for decades after the fact
PEdit: I am reading over and trying to reevaluate my reads at the moment. A few people who I previously considered potential scum (nexus, toogeloo) are in my opinion less likely to be so now.
Vaxkiller and T3 are still in my PoE but I am aware that many people disagreed with the Vax scumread and while I wouldn’t normally let other people’s opinions matter that much to me, I don’t have the sort of grip on the game right now where I feel confident in asserting my own lazy reads.
With T3 I struggle to think of a good reason why they are town but whenever I think of the idea of eliminating them, it’s like... eh.
PEdit: My read on Koto is strong town. I thought that Merlot was a much more town iteration of Ydrasse compared to what I’ve seen of her as scum, and I feel that she was more personally affected by complaints about hyperposting than she would have been as scum. Koto was obnoxious to people but I don’t consider that alignment relevant
I want to reconsider my reads of IV and Robert due to people whose opinion I respect believing them to possibly/likely be scum. Though I still find it difficult to get my head around IV-scum in particular. I need to re-think church also-
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OopsIn post 3056, Save The Dragons wrote:I was not expecting anyone to have a strong town read on that slot-
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I do not feel that nexus as scum needs to make a big play by being the first to nuke and nuking a polarising slot like IV when he had the advantage of being VFP’s counterwagon the previous day (which I think scum would expect to be giving nexus a bit of a free pass for the next while)In post 3065, gorilla wrote:
Why do they seem less likely to you now?In post 3053, DeasVail wrote:A few people who I previously considered potential scum (nexus, toogeloo) are in my opinion less likely to be so now.
Regarding toogeloo, I feel like I could say something about there being obvious progression and thought behind their reads despite lower content, but honestly the thing I liked most was them tooting their own horn-
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Regarding STD I’ve been toying with the idea that he’s been using his sense of humour to look town and convey a sense of ease when in fact he is feeling very self-conscious about what he is doing.
I’m not sure how that fits right now but I also am aware that this thought could easily point me to the wrong alignment.
The posts since my vote have been fascinating, though.
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Regarding Merlot, in reading her posts I just felt a massive difference between my recently played game with her in Team Mafia (mostly sluggish, with hyper posting in response to pressure) and here where there was this immediate enthusiasm with the response to The Entity making very much sense to me as town who really wanted to get into this and had the wind blown out of their sails or whatever the term is supposed to be.
From a quick search of Koto’s name I found the reasoning for the scumread to be incredibly lacking and so I want to open up a conversation about it