Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

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By the way town had to confirm by adding him on discord

Role PMs are going out. Confirmation will be slightly different.

Once I feel everyone has confirmed, we will start N0.

VOTE: mastina

Did scum not have to confirm by adding him to discord?

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Also everybody. I just got off work. I’ll be here in an hour to read *checks thread*
11 pages.

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14 pages.
Hello everybody*
** fuck I took my radio. Now I have to walk back to my office.

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That was 3 posts. Bell must die.

Por que?

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I just received a friend invite on discord from unwnd, I accepted and he asked that I state my alignment, role (if any) and abilities.

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I might’ve misstated that since I’m about to drive off from work and can’t be bothered to recheck.

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That sucks that the cool 3rd party mechanic died.
But on the bright side the 3rd party is dead and now only the scum are left and we can have a gold ol rpg battle to the death.

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That sucks that the cool 3rd party mechanic died.
But on the bright side the 3rd party is dead and now only the scum are left and we can have a gold ol rpg battle to the death.

You're well past the 3rd post and nothing you've said or done is moving you out of murder territory :~(

I'm not worried, I'm town and just starting to read. It's verifiable that I get off work on weekdays at around 4. I was excited to start posting and didn't wait to get home to start posting. Also, I am usually a shit poster so idrk why you thought it was a good idea to expect good things for me in 3 posts.

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It's verifiable that I get off work on weekdays at around 4.

OGI OGI OGI

A piggy impersonator.

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I'm not sure there's an actual implication I wasn't going to read when my first two posts were exactly that.

Well, actually my first one was interest in finding out if there were a way to exploit a mod loophople to catch scum.

But the next 2.

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I find your opinion on Fark to be window dressing Murdercat.

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I'm not sure there's an actual implication I wasn't going to read when my first two posts were exactly that.

Well, actually my first one was interest in finding out if there were a way to exploit a mod loophople to catch scum.

But the next 2.

Yeah I don't know I thought it was weird you said that and then kept posting different stuff. If you do read later I won't put much stock in it

Honestly, me shutting up and actually reading the last 10 pages would be a scum tell for me. I like appearing more responsible and use that as an excuse to delay giving reads or replying to others while I get situated.

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That's a pretty decent answer.

I will see I've seen MC get run up almost every large theme I've seen him play because everyone is like why are you not doing anything d1 you're supposed to be good and that's kind of just how he plays d1 in larges

You're not wrong, but I've seen him do nothing as both alignments.
I kind of feel like I lost touch with what made me feel confident in reading him. Maybe it was during that fairy game where I was 3p and he was scum that didn't seem much different than he usually was. Not my best moment. But I do think I have bright moments. I'm usually in a sate of mediorcrity yet somehow have a really good town WR, but probably that's from leeching off of my betters.

I feel kinda narcissistic this game, usually I would cut this post out, but why not keep it in.

I'm confused on Titus, because I feel like she decided he was town rather than because he was acting town.
On the other hand, Titus has the most bizarre reads. So I can't tell if she's pulling it out from a hat, or if she really believes in her opinion on sigmund.

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I kind of feel like I lost touch with what made me feel confident in reading him.

I will wagon scum D2 if I'm town, that's a good tell

I don't remember you expressing much confidence in your reads in games, so I'm confused where this opinion is coming from.

@Guilotina: No, I'm not koba. What are you referring to?

I feel like if Cabd calls me scum, he'll be scum claiming.

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VOTE: Flea

Wheee

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I have dug through 4 pages and I can't find his post and for some reason reason to just iso him.

Anya seems kind of free flow in that townie way but then she left and that killed my vibe.

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Sigmund Guilotina asked me for a specific opinion, but I can't reading it.

I felt that Shea was vaguely scummy.
dunno how to feel about JJH repping out.
At first lancer felt like not lancer and thus town but then I remembered the last newbie gme I replaced into and this seems sort of tonally the same IDGAF, but with more words.

@Pedit ty,ty.

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I mean, what did Sigmund say to that?

Sigmund could be a role that knows everyone else's roles. He could have a lot of esteem for the setting, the writing, or the mod.
Or he could be scum with TMI, it's hard to know.

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Sigmund could be a role that knows everyone else's roles.

How is that possible? or balanced? Or both? I mean, have you seen something like that?

Maybe? I'm spitballing possibilities. Also, why are you asking me this question specifically? There are other players that are more centered, better hunters here.

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Roll for Chara's alignment: 15.

He's a turkey baster.


@pedit: No, I just don't know why you value my opinion.

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This avatar is conceptualization from the game disco elysium. He is one component of a detective's mind.
It says some interesting stuff and I liked how they wrote the process of conceptualizing a world through the mind of an amnesiac.

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I can spam as scum you know.
Though I would be less shit posty. Maybe.

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Why would you try to read me using a titus-model?

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Why would you try to read me using a titus-model?

Your avatars are similar at a glance in low lighting environments.

That sounds like something an old person would say.

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Anya seems vaguely townie.
White fire seems postury, but in a good way.
Chara seems bored.
You seem fine so far.
Unsure why Jjh repped.
I feel that shea is vaguely scummy from an impressin that they didn't seem to be thinking about hunting, but more interested with giving opinions.
NS: I dunno I can't read poetry and haiku posers. Some times they're scum, sometimes they're town and I can't tell the difference.
I don't know what to think about LLD. I'll just let it lie.
I liked Dunn's angle shot. Though he is being proactive early which is opposite the trend I've seen.
I've mentioned Murdercat.
Titus is being her unreadable self. In that, I don't get why she chooses her reads or positions or the timing. She's walkin' out of tune from everybody else.

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Ftr bell ur avatar fucks with my perception of u. makes me read ur posts in a very depressed tone.

I have occasional bouts of depression. Though I've been out of it for the most part the past few months!

@Cabd, you could always tune in to Bell's first session of D&D with Syrana, Kilga, and Notty. I sound very normal.
Mostly.
Maybe.
Nobody has said different.

I meant to say poster, my t key is kind of suck.

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I forgot Brian. But that guy lives in a helicopter I suspect and if his mike is on nobody is going to be hearing anything.

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I like disco Elysium

Me too, I could gush about it for up to an hour! Are you scum?
Roll for initiative.

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I feel like Notty has posted about food in the last two games I played with him in his first post and he was scum in both of them. But maybe I imagined it.

@NDmath,
Why those three?

@Pedit: Feel better Titus.

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I guess that means you deny the insinuation that you posting about food means you're scum? Okay.
But I certainly wasn't talking big, I was just mentioning something I remembered and sort of poked a the memory by posting it.

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I like disco Elysium

Me too, I could gush about it for up to an hour! Are you scum?
Roll for initiative.

Nah. And honestly i found your characterization of me as not hunting as kind of nonsense. I've already got several reads I'm pretty happy about which is more than i was expecting by page 20.

What are those reads and why do you have them?


Pedit: I take offense to the insinuation that all of my posts aren't unreadable garbage.

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I guess that means you deny the insinuation that you posting about food means you're scum? Okay.
But I certainly wasn't talking big, I was just mentioning something I remembered and sort of poked a the memory by posting it.

I was referring to the statement that i was less hunting and more trying to say opinions. I thought that was you.

If you made a food based read about me i missed it.

No, that was me. I was talking about notsci with the food stuff.
I thought he just posted about food as an ironic call back to the food tell meme that I think started with Nacho posting about food once or Nacho voted someone who posed abou food. I forgot. Anyway he food poser was scum and people didn't take the food tell seriously, but ironically took it seriously.

Yep, my t key needs help. To be fair, hat read of you shea, was based on up to page 6ish? I was on. Give or take.

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I guess that means you deny the insinuation that you posting about food means you're scum? Okay.
But I certainly wasn't talking big, I was just mentioning something I remembered and sort of poked a the memory by posting it.

I was referring to the statement that i was less hunting and more trying to say opinions. I thought that was you.

If you made a food based read about me i missed it.

No, that was me. I was talking about notsci with the food stuff.
I thought he just posted about food as an ironic call back to the food tell meme that I think started with Nacho posting about food once or Nacho voted someone who posed abou food. I forgot. Anyway he food poser was scum and people didn't take the food tell seriously, but ironically took it seriously.

Yep, my t key needs help. To be fair, hat read of you shea, was based on up to page 6ish? I was on. Give or take.

Not a huge fan of you posting this read of me and then immediately backing off of it when i respond being like "oh don't worry bro i was only on P6"

I'm telling you the truth and you say, " a likely story"
Which is not a good look. -This wording is me mimicking how you're speaking to me, which is a little aggressive and indirect.

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What the fuck am I even getting at? It's been a long week.
I'm saying that you're characterizing what I'm telling you up front. It's a shallow skepticism without much more than a presumption of guilt.

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Yo, I'm not being apologetic or backpedaling. You said I was.
I was saying where this opinion was being formed and through what length of time. You denied it based on how you felt and acted on page 20. I was giving a possible explanation for the discrepancy. You expressed the opinion that it was convenient that I had read up to page 6 only "a likely story" because it gives me room to maneuver out of a point of conflict. But what I'm saying is, that, actually. I just read up to page 6 and that's where the formation of my opinions was coming from in that post.
and here we are.

Obviously you don't have to believe what someone says, I'm just telling you that it's true.

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VOTE: 1

I'm tempted to vote 2 or 3. Because with these types of formats you often times choose things with the mindset of "let's see where this goes" but you end up locked in an event with a negative or positive outcome based on the let's see where it goes option.

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Wait, does this have any impact on the game or is this just cyoa flavoring?
I don't mind, I love that. But I'd like to know whether these choices have mechanical consequences.

Pure flavor! I was surprised people wanted to vote on them.

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Yo, I'm not being apologetic or backpedaling. You said I was.
I was saying where this opinion was being formed and through what length of time. You denied it based on how you felt and acted on page 20. I was giving a possible explanation for the discrepancy. You expressed the opinion that it was convenient that I had read up to page 6 only "a likely story" because it gives me room to maneuver out of a point of conflict. But what I'm saying is, that, actually. I just read up to page 6 and that's where the formation of my opinions was coming from in that post.
and here we are.

Obviously you don't have to believe what someone says, I'm just telling you that it's true.

I don't know what to tell you man this is how mafia works. You do a thing. I view that thing through my lens of understanding and decide what it means. Because I'm not you and I can't be inside your head. I'm saying I felt that progression was odd and it felt conciliatory to me in a way that surprised me.

This whole interaction is weird. You did a thing. I told you how that thing looked to me and then you're like "But come on man I told you that wasn't the reason."

Like cool? So what? What do you want me to do with the information that you don't think the thing you did was scummy?

I'm not sure if this is a serious question. Surely you've characterized people before and they've just denied your characterization. I called your skepticism shallow because it didn't seem to have much of a layer of investigation. No "why" just an immediate "This seems scummy" without curiosity, but i'm geting the feeling we just have different mindsets.
I would like to state that I think it's in a town player's interest to want to know which players are telling the truth and which aren't, I'm just letting you know that your characterization is incorrect.

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Am I scum LLD.

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So more to the point, have you read further than page 6? How has your read evolved? Give me more here.

I missed this post. I have a knowledge gap from pages 6 and pages 13~15 and up. Besides noting that Mastina died, on I forget which page.

On you? I think it's interesting that you can continue to engage with me in this back and forth. I tend to think scum don't have these kinds of focused conversations, since this isn't what I would call a tunnel fight that other players would ignore. But it's weak.

I'm still mulling over my interaction with Guilotina and recalling a similar interaction I had with a notty alt once and wonder if it makes them town, but it probably doesn't.

My read of murderkitty hasn't changed much.

@Uwnd, gotcha. Sounds fun. I'll continue to participate without worrying over it then.

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I like Katniss here
He will lead us to a win
I do believe it.

It would be nice if everyone I wanted to be town was town this game, but like.
Probably not.

I'm considering moving to murderkitty.
Also, I just realized I have Saturday, sunday, *and* monday off this week. Grandparent's house, here I come.

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I was going to ask who jingle was, when I realized you meant bingle.

Is a bingle wagon time sensitive? Or is this mild curiosity?

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I'll vote him later when there's a better reason then.

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This morph thing with LLD seems way too involved to be pocketing on their part at this point and while I don't love the whole "effort == town" thing because its pretty easily exploited, it seems to me like we've gone beyond the point where morph would keep doing this as scum.

Lol

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Frankly? What's the fun of a social deduction game if the other team rolls over and dies for you. It's a hollow victory, no?

Not really what I meant, although I see that point. I’m more looking at the player list and wondering why, given said list you’re more worried that there aren’t movers and shakers on the scum team than that there are and you aren’t seeing them.

I have fairly solid townreads on a majority of the movers and shakers I personally would panic about, and I just came off a game where being paranoid about handing out townreads and instead sitting by burned me and my town team.

How bad was the burn?

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So is Ircher on page 2 or 35?

Ircher does catch up commentary.

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VC please

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What's the bingle voting for?

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It's really common for people to just decide what they're going to do and ignore people though.

Also, I just realized that morph the cat's avatar is fucking themed after this game.

Just wow.

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I am not the brightest bulb Wheme.

Anyway, I only really want to vote Bingle if they're scum(as in mafia).

I'm having one of those moments where I don't want to vote NDmath because he tends to flop over and can be a LHF town or actually scum.
I did not like his focus on entry.

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I just retroactively put that together. But at the time, I just thought that was your normal background.

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VOTE: Bingle

Aight.

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Can I just say that Titus is being *extra* confusing this game.

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: NDMath

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@LLD.

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I dunno why the scum team just didn't wait to outright kill you though.
Like if I was in the scum team and you weren't scum, I would just kill you N1, because that's just what you do with Morph the cat.

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I forgot, what was LLD's primary scum read before the bingle boondoggle.

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I just realized this game is being utterly dominated by Morph. LLD, and TSQ.
I'd say let the game breath a little but honestly, I've never figured out how to get the inactives to post. See this as a request to slow down so I can figure out who the scums are though.

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For them specifically? everybody is going at their particular pace as far as I can tell. I meant more that I went back 10 pages to skim again and I realized that it all posts by the people I've seen enough of for now.

Rather for the most part the inactives in this game. are the people who tend to be low activity just in general. Dunstrall might be a little more acive than I would expect from him, but that's the only significant deviation I can see.

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@guilotina, ya for the most part I do.
I could see morph and Shea being scum though.

Morph because Cabd.
Shea because I am a little bit skeptical in how they present themselves.

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I pretty strongly disagree with an Anya vote. I don’t know who A is and I don’t feel like guillotina is scum this game.

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Vote math with me and hope for the best?

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Yes. That’s correct.

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WHat's farkran's deal?

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There should be more votes on Chara and Ndmath imo.

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I think the “lion”
Had a better response for
The future events

When you compare to
Ircher’s jumping end to start
Which reads fake as fuck

Inaccurate. This is Ircher's approach.

[Bell]

I will add murdercat to the people that should have more votes. Though I think people just got bored with that one.

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Mmmm....


Mmmm...

@Bell

What do you think of Irchers catch up comparable to a certain 3p hydrad game?

It's typical. I'm waiting.

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There should be more votes on Chara and Ndmath imo.

Why Chara? I'm not finding anything about them in your iso.

They're meh this game.

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There should be more votes on Chara and Ndmath imo.

Why Chara? I'm not finding anything about them in your iso.

They're meh this game.

Name 3 players that are not meh - direct me to understand your pov

Lld, Morph, Shea,

Also, I don't like that scum aren't going for these particular LHF, so I figure ha the reason they aren't is because they're their buddies.

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I am doing something about it, I'm saying you should be voted.

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He should have been more specific about what he wanted when he asked me to name 3 players that weren't playing meh this game then.

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How in the world do you have a good idea of how Titus plays Mafia when I've played with her over 10 times now and I still have no fucking clue what I'm looking at half the time.

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Wait, is Fakran your brother or sister Chara?

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Yeah, I think you're LHF. Does that bother you? Why?

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Oh, I was confused why he seemed to be defending you without calling you town.

pedit: So it bothers you because you don't think it's true, that you're lhf in this game and in general. Okay.

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pedit: So it bothers you because you don't think it's true, that you're lhf in this game and in general. Okay.

okay.
are you planning to answer why you think that..?

I already did, when I look at your posts I feel dead inside.

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Bell: i think there's a difference between your personal read on a slot and that slot being low-hanging fruit, but i'm also not sure if discussing it further would be helpful. what's your read on Whemestar?

Sure, there is definitely a difference between them, sometimes I don't choose my words carefully enough.
I am idly wondering if frequency of his votes early game is alignment indicative for him. Other wise, I he's floaty and idk.

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I'm glad everyone managed to sort the player who has grown a reputation as being extremely easy to sort.

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I was mainly confused because it sounded like she did it to spite you and not for a good reason.

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I am aware that spite is the main driver of all of humanity, and pretty much my entire family, but that gene seems to have skipped me.

[Bell]

I think that the best fire emblem is the most recent fire emblem, because the most stuff they pack into it the better those games tend to get.

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He already did.
Sigmund said this set up was the GOAT.
Guilotine pointed out he couldn't possibly know that.
Sigmund proceeded to ignore Guilotina existed.

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I'm pretty sure I made the exact same arguments and you're not wrong.

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There should be more votes on Chara and Ndmath imo.

Why Chara? I'm not finding anything about them in your iso.

They're meh this game.

Name 3 players that are not meh - direct me to understand your pov

Lld, Morph, Shea,

Also, I don't like that scum aren't going for these particular LHF, so I figure ha the reason they aren't is because they're their buddies.

I'm concerned that your logic seems to boil down to - they should be wagoned because they have not been wagoned and are null. Since that's not how wagons work.

I’m concerned that you couldn’t fully describe my extremely simplistic and dumb reasoning.

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I’m not a big fan of ircher’s continued push on Notty. It reeks of posturing.

[Bell]

memory check if notty ever bristles when he’s scum. *rolls*

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MOD EVENT

Fuck your pagetops

Votecount 1.7

Adventurers

:

WhemeStar [5]: Bingle, Farkran, NDMath, Anya, Sigmund
Ircher [4]: notscience, Thestatusquo, Titus, Chara
Flea the Magician [2]: Dunnstral, White Fire
Sigmund [2]: Save the Dragons, Guillotina
Bingle [1]: MURDERCAT
Dunnstral [1]: Flea the Magician
NDMath [1]: Bell
notscience [1]: Ircher
Save the Dragons [1]: Toogeloo
Titus [1]: Artemiana
White Fire [1]: WhemeStar

Not Voting [4]: Something_Smart, Not_Mafia, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat

(Let me know if any of this is wrong and I'll dig into what)

With 24 alive it takes 13 to eliminate. Stratum 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-04 22:25:25).

Everything about this is wrong. Fix it.

[Bell]

Wait, not mafia is in this game.

[Bell]

Nope, he hasn't posted enough.

[Bell]

Where is my mocha frappe?

[Bell]

Ok I started a catchup for the last 20 pages but I got bored and skimmed so I'll actually give comments later
I think I got the important stuff though

I want to vote Sigmond, but I'll sheep the IC instead because Shea said so
VOTE: WhemeStar

Honorary scum. If not scum.

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I didn't see anything out of the ordinary from Ircher tbh, but I also didn't read his posts that closely

pedit: No I'm gunna let the conf town at least get a wagon started

VOTE: Murderkitty

[Bell]

I want to be clear that the reason I'm voting Murderkitty is because he didn't bring me my mocha frappe.

[Bell]

I’m sheeping Bell.

A terrible decision.

[Bell]

brains

Will post later

A wild zombie has appeared.

[Bell]

Unwnd can I keep one of the chickens and brain the old man if he refuses to give one up.

[Bell]

Can we talk about how much I hate the Wheme wagon.

[Bell]

Cool.
Everyone on that wagon get off Wheme's wagon.

[Bell]

You guys gotta vote better.

[Bell]

Wheme seems pretty genuine to me and I suspect half or more of the people on his wagon.
To me, it's a bad wagon. It does not help that it appears to be the most viable and *easiest* wagon with the more obvious town players being the only real objectees.

[Bell]

#1667 rings well.

[Bell]

What happened.

Also, S_S has started dipping into scum pile, but he's at the top of that pile.
Notty i'm leaning somewhat town on.

[Bell]

I am concerned that Cabd made a chart with everyone's reads on it.

[Bell]

I am concerned that FF made a chart with everyone's reads on it. *Barrels on*

[Bell]

I consider FF the better scum hunter.
That counts for a lot.

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I am concerned that Cabd made a chart with everyone's reads on it.

In concerned you’re nullreading me

I just dropped a town read on you with some caveats. Mostly, I just think you're more willing to show your insecurity when you're town.
And you've shown a lot of that here.

[Bell]

Hey man, I'm insecure too.

[Bell]

Also, S_S has started dipping into scum pile, but he's at the top of that pile.

Just because of my activity? Or why?

I think I suspect your approach to Artemis. Something abou it bugs me. I guess the initial reach out also felt odd because it seemed to have an emotional component to it.

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But yeah, you did detect a rare moment of saltiness from me. Why do you think I'd be more likely to do that as scum?

It kind of felt like you were filling up a void. Like you needed to step into the arena of cliches for lack of better things to do.

pedit: Maybe he's just excited that I misread him for once.

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VOTE: Ndmath

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I don't agree with Ircher's read on Notty at all. It's to the point I almost think he can't be serious. He's spent more time saying Notty shouldn't be suspected than giving reasons why he deserves to be.

[Bell]

*should be suspected

[Bell]

Have we talked about the flavor for the game yet?

Cabd's claim is believable because there are several classes that an ability like that would make sense on. The not_mafia thing is likely the work of one specific class with negative connotations, though I assume flavor =/= alignment here.

The flavor is from etrian odyssey Unwnd told me that the flavor wasn't associated with the game from a mechanical standpoint.

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He also said he was also deeply disappointed nobody guessed the flavor correctly. Except for me because,
you know. He asked me to guess.

[Bell]

What's your read of me S_S? You seemed to have intentionally avoided giving a take on my alignment this game.

[Bell]

Same

[Bell]

I’m okay with ndmath or flea.
I don’t really feel one way or another on Dante , even though they have a lot of posts.

[Bell]

Oh? Even though I said I'm okay with voting you?

[Bell]

It would be faster just to ask me if I'm town you know.

[Bell]

Oh? Even though I said I'm okay with voting you?

Yes bell, because I'm such a godsawful player that I jump into immediately adding my pushers to me shitlist.
I'm that bad at this game I'm still TL'ing Guillo.

I feel attacked.

[Bell]

VOTE: Flea

This is self defense.
You all saw it.

[Bell]

I’m most likely following morph and bell.

Shocked pikachu gif

[Bell]

NDMath on Sigmund makes that a bad wagon.

I could do a NDMath wagon. Anyone else want to do a NDMath wagon?

Ircher, Flea, and Sigmund wagons are all bad.

Consider my vote on him too.
I don’t really think the flea wagon is bad.
They’ve lost their omgus gene which has been present in every game I’ve played with them.

[Bell]

*when they were town

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I promised myself that I wouldn't defend middling reads but this flea wagon sucks. There isnt a case I on faer, there never has been a case on faer and faer is being ran up because...????

I just made a case on flea.

[Bell]

Every game I've played with town Flea a major component of the experience was their OMGUS. They're taking suspicion too well and not being defensive or making passive aggressive snipes about why everyone is wrong.

[Bell]

I just made a case on flea.

The omgus thing?

Have you played with scum-Flea before?

Once as a scum buddy.

[Bell]

Every game I've played with town Flea a major component of the experience was their OMGUS. They're taking suspicion too well and not being defensive or making passive aggressive snipes about why everyone is wrong.

i modded a towngame with Flea where fae didn't behave like that at all. binding of isaac mafia.

"See there's a stupidly weird thing about me that people who know me become aware of...

I'm a LHF player, my reads are never the best and my WIM goes all over the place.

People pull this kinda stuff on me all the time as an escape

My contributions have definitely been a bit off at the moment, and I'm not doing the usual level of shenanigans and chaos I normally do.

VOTE: Farkan

(With pronouns, Don't worry about it too much. Ss long as they're neutral you're good )"

I quick iso'd them in that game just now. I feel the focus is where I would expect it to be. Can't you feel the condescension? It's not a mean response but the point is there.
I mean, I could be wrong. Obviously. But if nobody is going to blow my mind with a case or something I'm just going to go with my reads.

[Bell]

I wanna be clear that what I just quoted was from flea and it was an (accurate) omgus vote on Farkran, so.
I don't get Chara's point minus maybe Flea's vibe was different that game.

[Bell]

Bell, what are your thoughts on sigmund? Why would you wagon faer over him?

I have been pulled in that direction only by guillotina's enthusiasm for it. Otherwise, Sigmund isn't really making any friends. It's not very survivalist in intention. So I lean against his wagon and favor Flea's because I can at least identify something that could be an alignment differential.

[Bell]

Sigmund isn't really making any friends.

I'm gonna venture a guess that this is a personality thing and not an alignment thing.

Do you really think his attitude is his personality and not just a performance?

[Bell]

I wanna be clear that what I just quoted was from flea and it was an (accurate) omgus vote on Farkran, so.
I don't get Chara's point minus maybe Flea's vibe was different that game.

i don't agree that Flea's vote on Farkran that game was particularly snippy or condescending. it's an omgus vote, yes, but that post and the rest of faer posting doesn't seem to have that quality you're describing, and i have to agree that fae does seem more accepting of faer position as oft-lhf.

i'm on the whole less willing to accept reads like "X player

always

does Y as town" when i don't have firsthand experience with the phenomenon because people tend to change, so if you want to convince me Flea is scum it'll have to be with faer play in this game only.

I'm not really trying to convince you that Fae is scum tho. You're too low in my town reads for me to be interested in getting your vote.

[Bell]

I don't really think you can convince scum to vote for your scum reads without appealing to their win condition. I don't want Flea to be voted if they're town.

[Bell]

not Chara's vote specifically, but... votes. you should want votes.

I am pushing for votes on Flea over Sigmund in general, yes.

[Bell]

Do you really think his attitude is his personality and not just a performance?

Well, maybe it's an alt shtick. But I don't think he would necessarily be more conciliatory as scum.

Also, on the flip side, it's entirely possible for him to hide behind the persona as scum.

As best I can tell he's still voting Flea because of the TMI allegation.

I'm aware and its crossed my mind more than once this game. But I can't tell.

Shouldn't they be voting Guilotina for the TMI allegation?

[Bell]

U should want Chara vote the most. Chara vote is the most potent of all votes

I'm not attacking their self-esteem.

[Bell]

I don't really think you can convince scum to vote for your scum reads without appealing to their win condition. I don't want Flea to be voted if they're town.

sure, but... idk, only caring if your high townreads vote your scumread seems kind of backwards to me when you realistically are going to need lower town/nulls votes too, and scumreads who you may be wrong on, since the number to elim is something like 13, but... i still think you're town and this doesn't even seem like an AI topic so i guess i should leave it alone?

Sure and yes, I get your point. You implied I wanted your vote in particular. I was pointing out, that, no, not really. That's all. It is generally one of those topics of opinion and conversation that goes round and round and isn't AI, so I wouldn't mind dropping it, but I don't hate the topic either.

[Bell]

@Bell

who is dante?

Sigmund's avatar is from devil may cry, a video game the protagonist, the guy in his avatar, is dante.

S_S is moving into my town reads, but I can't tell if he's a poor facsimile of his town playstyle or this is just him.

I think Morph is town, but I won't know until we kill scum day 1 or not.

[Bell]

I am concerned that Cabd made a chart with everyone's reads on it.

Why is that?

Because in TENET ANOTHER GAME IN WHICH EVERYONE WILL GIVE CABD A HARD TIME FOR, FOR ETERNITY.
He put in a lot of effort into pointless images, connections, associative reads and so on. So I was worried he was doing busy work.

It doesn't help that when I'm scum I spend 70% of my time in decision paralysis trying to keep track of everyone's reads and thinking that if I only knew all of them I could *somehow* navigate us to a perfect victory.
My scum game is not good.

[Bell]

I'm Aware, I'm using context to respond to why it bothered *me* when I thought Cabd did it because that's what guilotina asked.
He didn't ask why it bothered me that FF did it.

[Bell]

Why am I hurting so many people's feelings this game.

[Bell]

S_S is moving into my town reads, but I can't tell if he's a poor facsimile of his town playstyle or this is just him.

Ouch, but also fair.

Is there anything in particular that you don't feel is typical for town-me? Because I feel like pretty much all of this has been, though of course you can't know that for sure.

Well, you started out by dropping a reads list which I'm not familiar with you doing outside of some circumstances, though I understand play evolves. But it did raise my eyebrows that you started there.
Sometimes I just see you troubleshooting and I'm not sure if you're picking your battles with laser precision. Which is where the idea of you copying your town playstyle comes from.
It's one of those, "is he serious, or is he just asking questions that are a little less focused and seemingly less constructive than I might expect?"

Or something like that. My brain is fried from work and I can't articulate myself well, or rather, I keep half assing and "good enoughing" my meanings when I really need to be more precise.

[Bell]

I'm Aware, I'm using context to respond to why it bothered *me* when I thought Cabd did it because that's what guilotina asked.
He didn't ask why it bothered me that FF did it.

Then I will!

Why does my keeping a spreadsheet bother you?

Because I'm worried you're doing it to keep yourself busy because it hurts to be here.

[Bell]

Opps, that could be misconstrued. I mean that you rolled scum and you're avoiding the game some through that kind of tracking.

Not IRL stuff.

@Sigmund, I dunno how many of those posts are from Cabd and how many are from FF because they intentionally hide it.

[Bell]

I wanna be clear that I am town reading Morph though, they're one of my stronger town reads this game.

[Bell]

I'm Aware, I'm using context to respond to why it bothered *me* when I thought Cabd did it because that's what guilotina asked.
He didn't ask why it bothered me that FF did it.

Then I will!

Why does my keeping a spreadsheet bother you?

Because I'm worried you're doing it to keep yourself busy because it hurts to be here.

I stayed up to 2 am instead of sleeping a couple nights ago putting it together and poring through isos to find stated and implicit reads.

It's kind of the opposite of doing something besides be in the game thread.

Sure. You can push against every grain of doubt in me. But 2 more will take their place!

[Bell]

Opps, that could be misconstrued. I mean that you rolled scum and you're avoiding the game some through that kind of tracking.

Not IRL stuff.

@Sigmund, I dunno how many of those posts are from Cabd and how many are from FF because they intentionally hide it.

While I was going through isos for the spreadsheet, I also posted a flurry of questions that occurred to me while I was doing all that rereading.

What do you mean by "intentionally hiding who's posting"? We don't sign, generally, but I think it's usually pretty obvious who posted which posts.

You say you're townreading us but dayum that's whole lot of shade the last page or so, Bell.

No, it really isn't.

I throw shade everywhere because I'm one of them types that throws shade everywhere. You should be able to relate from our recent newbie game in which you explicitly suspected and questioned everyone, perhaps to your own detriment when Lukewarm voted you in part because he felt you might vote him first.

[Bell]

Good night Chara.

[Bell]

VOTE: Anya

At work. Anya should claim.

[Bell]

Did Anya ever claim

[Bell]

Did Anya ever claim

No, and also who cares?

I do.

[Bell]

I'm back, sorry. First D&D ever session.

[Bell]

What kind of race and class did you decide on this game, Bell?

Oh and alignment obv.

Rock gnome, wizard, chaotic good.

[Bell]

Did anya ever claim.

Or are we still waiting on that.

[Bell]

Hey, I thought what S_S said out loud but I have more self-control.

Maybe.

[Bell]

I don't agree with blind hammering Anya but if they're not coming back and dead line the sentence fills itself from there.

[Bell]

I'm really tired. I don't know why I feel like sharing that.

There's 20 hours left.

[Bell]

*thumbs up*

Why didn't the scum team killed sigmund?
No, I'm not doing this to raise suspicion that they were both scum in a coordinated effort.

[Bell]

I still wanna kill NDmath and murdercat.

[Bell]

VOTE: NDMath

I thought Data Mining here was a good idea.

You always think this tho.

[Bell]

VOTE: Murderkitty

[Bell]

MURDERCAT's name Is MURDERCAT.

But I like to call him Murderkitty.

[Bell]

Do you really think LLD would bus the scum partner with the powerful abilities when a lot of town players with *opinions* this game were barely even taking notice of or were actively defending Anya.

[Bell]

Do you really think LLD would bus the scum partner with the powerful abilities when a lot of town players with *opinions* this game were barely even taking notice of or were actively defending Anya.

@titus

[Bell]

VOTE: Titus

[Bell]

Yay for straight up cop guilties.
I know it sounds like I'm being sarcastic but actually I'm a huge fan of doing nothing and winning.

[Bell]

I think Murderkitty or Ndmath should die.

My SR on flea weakened a little.

[Bell]

wit swords at night

[Bell]

I knew Artemis was a hexer. I also had a pretty good percent guess that the scum ninja was one of the EOD wagons.

I knew STD was a necromancer. I knew the rest of Toog's skills more or less, as well.

Are you claiming what I think you're claiming?

No. I'm claiming that unwnd designed the roles and flavor explicitly around the real in game classes, and merely knowing one's role name is enough to know nearly exactly what their abilities are.

I literally did a read-through of each and every class in the game pregame.

This is the exact opposite of what unwnd told me.

[Bell]

I’m confused why people are saying art hasn’t claimed a straight up cop guilty here and why people are saying to wait.

[Bell]

VOTE: Artemania

Perfect

/:

[Bell]

I’m confused why people are saying art hasn’t claimed a straight up cop guilty here and why people are saying to wait.

No one is saying the first. People are saying the latter because "JUST SHUT UP AND FOLLOW THE GUILTY" is probably the surest way to ensure the guilty is antitown.

Could you say this differently the logic is finicky as worded to me.

[Bell]

Just shut up and follow the guilty and then killing the the false guilty is a tried and true method of killing scum near 100% of the time, minus a framer role.

[Bell]

Mm, I’m pissed of at something else and maybe It’s bleeding into my play.

[Bell]

Plz compare art’s openness to titus’s caginess.
I just wanted to say that and I know I’m not adding much constructive to this conversation.

[Bell]

I know for role reasons that this claim is bs btw

If you aren’t literally a hexer yourself are you confident this is the case and have fully thought this through?

[Bell]

The thing that feels off is the huge amount of wiggle room white fire and Titus are giving themselves in comparison to art, not the other way around. It’s clear whose afraid to risk themselves and who isn’t.

[Bell]

I don't like the feeling that we're being herded down the turbolim tunnel here.

Something feels VERY wrong and our hives are out in full force.

I’m, like, the only dude doing this Rn tho.

[Bell]

Bell and I are like a hydra with two votes atm

We are synced and ready to go

Ninja
Bell

Ouch

We’re hydra buddies. *fist bump*

[Bell]

I'm having a lot of trouble grokking this game but I've been saying something is off about Titus literally the entire game so i know which half of this i believe

Fuck it. This is why shea is town. Shea is fucking pissed I caught anya but I couldn't case her. Shea's read me as scum ever since and opposed everything I've done. He couldn't provide a town readon for anya but wouldn't move because I was on it.

I was hoping to see if shea's attitude would change and there's a partial acknowledgement which is consistent with proud players.

Fake

[Bell]

Link page where you crumbed and how it makes you 100% town.

[Bell]

Link page where you crumbed and how it makes you 100% town.

My crumbs don't make me 100% town. They're just existing preguilty. I planned on crumbing my targets in case SP and HP tracking were important.

Okay so you crumbed an ability on a target that is near universally suspected of being scum.

[Bell]

Yes titus, the problem I have here is that I'm at least somewhat townreading (This only applies to this head, Ffery is too busy with her jaw on the floor) both of you and we live in a world, based upon my interrogation of the mod, where you can both be town and the idiots pushing us to turbolim are the scum on the sidelines.

This is still me and notty. Walk me through how it isn't or claim scum plz.

[Bell]

VOTE: Titus

I HAVE A GUILTY ON TITUS

RIP.

VOTE: titus

VOTE: titus very fine with this too, i was sring her already

@artemiana do you have an innate attack ability too?

VOTE: TITUS

Get wrecked! LMAO!!!

Actually UNVOTE: Titus

So we dont speed yeet

[Bell]

I'm trying to identify who they're throwing shade at and why.

[Bell]

Nah, Morph has a right to getting annoyed when I step on their toes.

You don't have to step back, I'll lay off for now.

[Bell]

I would assume the alignment is the same alignment as the the player who cast it, and that looks to be Anya. Yeah?

[Bell]

To be fair, I have never been in a game where LLD didn't whiff on the second elimination.

[Bell]

I would assume the alignment is the same alignment as the the player who cast it, and that looks to be Anya. Yeah?

Yup. So scum?

Then Titus is scum, if that's the case.

And if it's null? Then Arte is scum for lying.

But there's no case that N_M shows up as a townie right? Either he's a mirage and the answer should have been NO.

or he's not and reads as scum, and then we have a guilty situation where one of them is scum anyway.

that's how I read this

I think so, yeah.

[Bell]

5 or 6. I think.

[Bell]

Is Titus dead yet.
Also, I smell another goddamned fire in California.

[Bell]

Yesterday's flip looks super good for lld and sigmund.
I believe that those are my only reads that actually changed from the flip

but still need to look at farkran again.

You should have held onto that guilty for a little longer. What do we think about NDMath assuming Titus flips scum?

What is this referring to?
(To be fair am doing that now with arte's claim)


Some of the morph/bingle mech talk is going over my head which is abnormal for me, just gonna not worry about it.

[Bell]

Is Titus dead yet.
Also, I smell another goddamned fire in California.

Oh no, that would suck, I near the area where the fires happen often, where exactly in California?

I looked on Twitter and I think I hallucinated the smell of fire. The only fire is way north of los angeles in a different county.
Noses can be strange sometimes.

[Bell]

WELL WILL YOU LOOK AT THAT

ITS A LION

A LION THAT DEFINTELY IS NOT ME

Morph, Bingle, Shea, LLD, Bell, Guillo

If each of you had my rolecard how would each of you use tonight

Sounds fun.
I'd probably target Murdercat and NDMath.
I'm not entirely sure why you didn't just take two of your strongest scum reads and isolate where they were both clear or not. But I don't think you're scum and I don't think you're lying, so I'll leave it alone with a (?) for post game.

I'd probably Sap Murdercat.
Well, this was a good use of my time as I have a slow meltdown from guilt and so on.

[Bell]

The wheme dream thing,
Sigmund was not targeted by anyone and he tried to protect someone and missed.
I have an associates in dream interpretation (this is a lie) so you can trust me.

[Bell]

Tbh, that's not cryptic enough and seems like an OP ability.

[Bell]

That said, I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever eliminate someone for having a seemingly OP role. Stung once, twice shy.

[Bell]

*sigh*
Gunna go to bed and then to work.

Good night. I still feel fairly comfortable murdering Titus.

Pedit: That's cool Morph.