Apologies. I realize my gimmick of choice may not be the most readable. There is a balance between attempted identity concealment and readability and I am aware I may currently be too much the former. I am trying to slowly shift more towards the latter; give me about 72 hours and I am sure I shall have better struck that balance.
In post 498, Servant Beast wrote:they seem confident they can be sorted and I'm just sitting here wondering why I can't.
Oh, the moment folks figure out my identity they will correctly townread me (and my identity is not hard to guess if I do not conceal my style with a gimmick). Yet, I am in no rush to out myself as I enjoy anonymity. However, I will risk this comment:
In post 502, Servant Beast wrote:Their first post feels like they reached the right conclusions long before it was cool to do so.
Not uncommon from me as I am something of a D1 specialist, forming townblocs early and reforming them as needed later.
There are fairly compelling reasons in my opinion for the pure of heart to be so. I will happily discuss these with those who wish to engage in further discourse.
If it makes you feel better: my vote on you is because I wish to keep the mastership out of the corrupts' hands, and given
Servant Saber
is the leading alternative, I do not trust them to have it and you were the alternative with the most support among the players I strongly believe to be pure of heart.
Were it possible to masterize
Servants Alter Ego, Archer, Lancer, and Beast
, I would lend my support to them just as much as I lent it to you.
In post 504, Servant Berserker wrote: Servant Saber
- I was not initially townreading them, until I did the review after talking with Beast. The points I found easiest to swallow were about their suspicions of the building master wagon on them, in specific the Moon suspicion listed in
235. I also had issues with the Moon reads list, and their justifications were weak. I found it town to be comparing his location to the other candidates and draw that conclusion.
I am skipping your townreads as they are all servants I read as varying degrees being pure of heart.
However, for the lean towns I must protest on both accounts.
235 is an easy post to make as either alignment and one I happen to think is more likely to come from a corrupt individual especially if
Servant Moon Cancer
is pure of heart and doubly so if my suspicion about
Servant Saber
's identity is correct (as this sort of potshot would be within their scum meta).
If your main basis for thinking
Servant Saber
is good relates to thinking
Servant Moon Cancer
is corrupt, please refer to
my comments below for why that is an error.
In post 504, Servant Berserker wrote:Servant Foreigner
- This was the hardest one on the list for me to place. It changed up slots upon my reread, for one post in particular.
162 is a town post, that's a town confession. Yes, scum has to remember who people are to fake reads and yada yada, but I don't think scum just comes out and says it. They have other good posts such as
171 which showed good gamestate awareness, and I think
388 is a little too blunt to come from scum. It isn't as strong as my other townreads, but enough to put him at the bottom of my town list.
162 is the opposite of a town confession; it is explicitly a corrupt player making an excuse for not having an easier time formulating reads. I can point to dozens of players who have used similar excuses when corrupt but none from players using it when pure of heart because it is inherently a corrupt excuse.
171 is an easy accusation to throw out as a corrupt individual and not one likely to be indicative of the accused being corrupt. It is in fact a post disproportionately likely to be made by the corrupt specifically because it is such an easy accusation to be made against
Servant Assassin
. The closest you have to a point would be
388, which I admit could indicate town - if there were followthrough. Near as I can tell, none exists, and a post lacking followthrough means it was not something asked with an intention in mind. Not inherently indicative of corruption (pure of heart players can ask something and not give followthrough), but guaranteed to be nai at best.
In post 504, Servant Berserker wrote:majority of the comments are just "this post is pure of heart" without walking through the thoughts that make them believe that.
By and large, it's because you haven't asked. I am all too happy to elaborate on a read when prompted to, but lacking this I am not going to do so out of the blue.
If it makes you feel better I believe even if my identity guess on
Servant Saber
is wrong, the slot is corrupt anyway. Not as
strongly
, but still there.
In post 504, Servant Berserker wrote: - Originally one could have made the argument that such controversial reads in
226 were more likely to come from scum. Then, they change their entire list up in
462 after receiving a lot of flak over a few of these reads, one central one is their read on me. They justify the read on me in
238 (and I use the term justify lightly). The person who calls it out (other than me I believe) is Alter, their lowest scumread. There is no backtrack, there is no attempt to read me, just a strange flip. Even if they said "Well my strongest townread is pro-Berserker Master" that would at least make some sense. The backtracks feel too inorganic.
I would raise the counterargument of simple motive, giving the risk and reward of the action undertaken and what it would strive to accomplish as either a corrupt or pure of heart.
With the initial readslist of
226, this post came out of the blue. It was random, it was largely against the grain, it was something going largely against thread consensus, with no logic presented, with nothing backing it up. Ask yourself, what does this accomplish if the player in question is corrupt? It casts attention onto them, it makes people give a side-eye to them, it makes the players think the individual in question is suspicious. It draws the eye and makes players focus on
Servant Moon Cancer
. None of this furthers the agenda of the corrupt. It gives a corrupt player nothing but unwanted attention, making individuals naturally suspicious of them.
I realize "too scummy to be scum" is a fallacy, but this is not using that fallacy. This is taking a look at which faction would be more likely to make the post in question. What possible advantage, what possible goal, was there in
Servant Moon Cancer
making that post if corrupt? It is not going to sway the minds of the masses. It is not going to convince the town that they are wrong on any of their reads. It cannot dissuade the town from pushing on the corrupt and cannot dissuade the town from correctly identifying those pure of heart. So what possible goal can there be for a corrupted servant to post
226? I can think of no motive and no reason for it.
In contrast, if
Servant Moon Cancer
is pure of heart, the motivation to post
226 is self-explanatory: they had formulated reads and made the decision to share these reads with the rest of the gathered.
When it comes to the shift in reads in
462 without prompting, the presented reads may have more in common with the group consensus (particularly a fair amount of overlap with my own takes), but I believe there is strong evidence that they formed these reads independently after having caught up, especially since their reads are not literally identical to other players. For instance,
464 does a good job of explaining the differences between their reads and mine.
Servant Moon Cancer
shows a strong individual thought process there unique to them, with reads that serve no function if they are corrupted.
What benefit is it to them to strongly scumread
Servant Alter Ego
, a consensus townread, while otherwise following the majority of the consensus in their own townreads? If they were corrupt, I struggle to see how. I admit it is not completely impossible, but the simpler explanation to me is they have their own takes spurned from genuinely forming reads thanks to being pure of heart.
It is also in part
because
there is no backtrack. There is simply a flip. A corrupt servant is more likely to try and justify a shift in their reads thanks to fear of suspicion were they to not justify it. (You even point out how this works with your take on me and how if I were corrupt I could justify a shift in read on
Servant Saber
. So you must be aware of what I am talking about.) A servant pure of heart fears nothing, so they feel no such obligation and are more free to truthfully speak their mind, even if it involves a shift from their prior thoughts.
Is this sufficient explanation for my read on
Servant Moon Cancer
?