Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

[The Resistance]

Titus here. In court. I will try to read up while waiting for court and after court before date night. No promises. Tomorrow should be better (less court, no likely date). Saturday will be hit or miss.

[The Resistance]

I'm Informed Miller, I know there is a Macho 2-shot Cop.

Lmao. If the mod actually included this, you are the slot that cried wolf.

[The Resistance]

RQS answers:

1) No, 2) Several, but I won't elaborate, 3) Bacon and jalapenos.

Why are you answering an RQS when one hasn't even been posted?

Anyways, I think we should try to kill the werewolves. Feel free to bus me early because I'll bus you all. The miller claim is an inside joke but I can always say it's serious later. I might rolecop unwnd because of the soft?

It looked serious to me. I don't want you to slime your way out of a cop guilty later. Is it serious, or is it not serious?

So, like, at least in the Newbie queue, it's harder to slip because the scum PT is in an obvious soft purple color instead of the main thread's black background. Is it the same for grown-up Mafia, or is that just how PTs work?

That's how PTs work... You've never played a non-newbie game?

I'm Jester.

I've read the rules several times. There are no jesters.

Yeah this is the kind of thing where you murder it for either antitown play as town, or actually slipping as scum, both are fine.

It's very obviously the latter though.

Uh, there wasn't a slip as far as I could tell.

Game is moving fast. I check as carrying a gun. Maybe ill town the fuck outta this later.

VOTE: t3

Everyone needs to stop softing.

I'm a Loyal Babysitter. You all really had to make me do this.

So, fun fact, Cephrir advertised this to his friends as "not having any bullshit weird new normal queue roles or modifiers" during a discussion being had about how much normal games suck like, ALL the balls lately.

Guess what this fakeclaim contains two of~

Loyal is a pretty common normal modifier. Babysitter is a bit rarer, but it's not that new. I don't get your point.

Just to head this off at the pass, I don't think anything was revealed to said friends that wasn't also listed in the signup thread.

...Please don't do this...

It WAS advertised as such though. Note Ceph's join date and take this line from the opening of the signup thread:

This game is normalesque in feel and flavor, but can't run in the normal queue for a few reasons which, I think, are all delineated in this post. Roles have some light flavor, but I don't plan on writing a novel during the game.

Nowhere does that say or imply a babysitter or a loyal role cannot exist in this setup.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Mod or anyone: What is a malefactor? I should have asked in sognups.

[The Resistance]

I 100% think T3 is town here and that people are reading into posts too much.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Bold was Titus.

Ircher and I will sync after we catchup.

[The Resistance]

I'm gonna go ahead and call that bluff...

VOTE: T3

It is indeed an inside joke. Why T3 makes a joke to me is anybody's guess. See Deco (mini normal). He claimed the same thing, never retracted and got eliminated as town. It was a gambit to get scum to claim the role.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I'm a Loyal Babysitter. You all really had to make me do this.

Stop with matching my history T3.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I am in agreement with Ircher that T3 is town. If I can catch him on discord before my zoom court starts, then I will get in sync.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Echolocation

Gut VC looking at. Ircher isn't opposed.

Kazyan and morph are FoSes.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

Interesting peta, why those reads?

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I don't see why a partner would even bother trying for damage control here, especially when the only other info T3 spewed was not partner-related. But both Resistance heads getting a town read off of that is... something. One of them even claimed they're not even seeing any slip.

Where is the slip?

~Titus

[The Resistance]

We won't be pushing to prematurely end this game day. That would be my inclination regardless, but it's also our sync on the matter.

Agreed. I want to see this through. Which head likes peta?

~Titus

[The Resistance]

By the way, I think I should claim here. I'm an Informed Miller.

I was informed there is a macho 2-shot cop.

This is from Deco mini normal.

T3 has been joking all along.

[The Resistance]

^^Was Titus

[The Resistance]

do u wanna tell me the part where ragequit after being told his claim wouldn't be in the game was a "joke" too

I would assume the rage quit was because he made a horrible joke that got him in a horrible position which I imagine is quite the frustrating thing to happen

now the definition of "joke" may be stretching here

and i cannot claim to know the inner workings of T3's psychology

I think he expected me to be on sooner to confirm it was a joke.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I'm actually immediately suspicious of both resistance heads coming to a T3 town conclusion so suddenly

is there like a specific game or post that T3 was referencing with the first "slip?"

Yes. Deco mini normal if the informed miller is the first slip. I quoted where he made the exact same claim.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I want to wait on Dannflor to be done catching up before engaging him. He obviously hasn't seen why I am defending T3.

T3's play is odd here but that's just T3.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I think it's a stretch to call that a slip. It /could/ be a slip, but that doesn't mean it is one.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

[The Resistance]

okay thanks titus, that makes more sense

I'm pretty much caught up now btw - if everyone who ran away when I replaced in wants to come back

Can you talk to me about morph, echo, and kazyan?

Ircher and I are ok with your FoS on Manatee for now.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

Already explained the "mafia PT" post to Dannflor. The Loyal Babysitter is likely just T3 still memeing. Like I never trust a D1 claim from T3 and the less he memes, the scummier he is.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

dann's clearly putting in effort to survive if he's a wolf a read list isn't towny or wolfy

I like this post.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

dann's clearly putting in effort to survive if he's a wolf a read list isn't towny or wolfy

wait so is ur vote based off of Kayzans response to dann's readlist? cos it may be a not very good take but I don't quite know how you would read it as scummy

I could vote here.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I already have 1 scumread on this page.

This is epic.

I like you.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

Spoiler:

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

Your posts always make me want to like, ruffle your hair while telling you how proud I am of you.

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

And with this post Luke joins Peta. <3

I am a bit suspicious of these posts coming from Morph, in a "they might be trying to pocket me" kind of vibe

It feels a bit like how Cabd greeted me in this game where he was scum --

I also don't really know what part of my post puts me in a town read, as opposed to like maybe "not scum with Titus" given that this game is multiball

I felt morph was going for a Peta pocket personally, doubly so since they didn't respond to which head liked Peta (unless I missed it).

~Titus

[The Resistance]

If you guys somehow talk yourself into eliminating me instead of Dann, town just deserves to lose; idk what to say

Why are you so fearful of being eliminated with like one vote and a FoS (from my other head) on you? Why the AtE?

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I want to wait on Dannflor to be done catching up before engaging him. He obviously hasn't seen why I am defending T3.

T3's play is odd here but that's just T3.

~Titus

So why wouldnt he be odd as mafia as well?

how is it 100% town?

T3 is odd in a different way as scum. He's less jovial and attempts less to be funny. That's the best way I know how to explain.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I think Pete is town, but I disagree with a good chunk of his reads. One of us is likely getting agency captured (assuming I am right). Will talk about this with Ircher.

@morph, where was it?

~Titus

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Manatee

[The Resistance]

The more I see morph in top townreads the more their equity actually rises

While I disagree with the opinion (townread morph is a scum morph), I agree with the fact morph isn't obvtown.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

dann's clearly putting in effort to survive if he's a wolf a read list isn't towny or wolfy

I like this post.

~Titus

Really?

So surface-level easy of a reason to vote. The green drips off the slot. Why dont you care that that isnt taken into account at all?

Its measurable just by looking at it.

I disagree with Kazyan dripping green. At a minimum, he's a survivalist which isn't townie. I can't remember their contributions either. While anya has a jokey tone, it doesn't bother me at all since it's day one and reads aren't going to be omg perfect. It's ok to have fun.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

Multiball scum (if you're not on their team) are definitely more worried about making sure you have least influence as possible. If you're scum however? I imagine they're going to try and float you as well. I'm not going to base associative D1 on it but to me you've done nothing spectacular and the only thing that's true is that if T3 flips red you didn't commission his death as a partner. There are plenty of Yggdrasil people here not exercising their caution for some reason.

This post feels like it's not in English.

All posts Titus unless mentioned otherwise.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

The strange thing is that people who should be decent at reading us and somewhat confident they can read us (specifically you and titus) are casting a lot of shade our way. The townreads are coming from players who dont know me well (and I assume don't know Cabd either) or who are alts.

I hate posts like these. It's easy to set up an OMGUS. It also requires me to be confident in my day one reads. It was mostly town that did this ironically but that type of posting sets off my alarm bells. See Townstumps mafia, mastina and jjh.

I'm not holding it against you because of what I have seen but it's hard to stop my inner beast if that makes sense.

[The Resistance]

But are you really an expert of reading people in that manner?

Youre more about the discernable. Facts, observations.

Why make a 100% assertion based on early game behavior?

Not all people. There are very few people I can read this way. Unless T3 set out to specifically agency capture me from the outset (which makes no sense in multiball), then he's town.

I have discernable observations of games with T3 which I detailed.

[The Resistance]

Kazyan's AtE is particularly loathsome but most likely town

lol, I love this

I don't. Feels like scum bitching about having to TR someone.

Dannflor should have full claimed on replace in, imo.

He did. He claimed the game's version of VT.

[The Resistance]

This is not a good look for you. Best thing you can do if you're town is to immediately role claim to clear things up.

Just going to highlight that KA asked for a fullclaim and quoted the very post where he did.

[The Resistance]

You went from a confident "I have full claimed" to "have i not made that clear" very quickly.

Shelby plummets here. One can fullclaim and not have it be clear to others.

[The Resistance]

My kingdom for a three shot dayvig to kill all three fucking miller claims.

Wait there's 3?

[The Resistance]

Titus being out in rayman world bodes well for her being town

What does this mean?

[The Resistance]

You went from a confident "I have full claimed" to "have i not made that clear" very quickly.

i am exacerbated because I thought it was very clear

what

Ok, I see what posts you're linking to, and it seems sort of awkward to me the way you keep saying " "townie " instead of a more explicit VT (yes, before you ask, I have read the sample PM's), like something you could easily walk back on later.

This is garbage. Any other VT would know he was walking back his claim, not to mention that his walkback would be rather obvious.

[The Resistance]

My kingdom for a three shot dayvig to kill all three fucking miller claims.

Wait there's 3?

Are you counting the gunsmith-guilty claim?

I'm not sure I'm there yet. Can you refresh my recollection? I just suppose miller claims are jokes if they live.

[The Resistance]

My kingdom for a three shot dayvig to kill all three fucking miller claims.

Unless

Wait there's 3?

Are you counting the gunsmith-guilty claim?

I'm not sure I'm there yet. Can you refresh my recollection? I just suppose miller claims are jokes if they live.

[The Resistance]

no guys I'm literally a vanilla townie I have i not made that clear to everyone by now

See, this is the type of trap I was sort of waiting for to slam shut on someone's face.

At two places in the OP, it is sort of implied there might not be VT's whatsoever. Then the sample VT role pm does not any flavor.

The discernable reader might figure out whether this game has vanilla towns or not

Strike against you.

If this were singleball i'd masonize you for this post, damn.

I can't agree with the rationale here but I feel Vecna is town. Real Civilization vibes.

[The Resistance]

We're capable of reevaluating when necessary.
Right now it is not, they are almost surely not partnered with Dannflor and additionally seem less than likely to be the malefactor. That leaves just the other team, and I'm liking their posting so far, so, town but will continue to consider all possibilities.

I feel your posting starts from the assumption Dannflor is scum and doesn't allow for independent reads. That combined with your lack of observation (Dannflor claimed townie) makes me disinclined to trust your read on Shelly although it feels genuine.

[The Resistance]

Titus being out in rayman world bodes well for her being town

What does this mean?

That fact you don't know what it means also bodes well

This ignorance is up there for one of the strangest reasons to be TRed. I doubt Ircher can keep up with the thread but I can flag this. I TR you but I want to understand so I can work with you.

[The Resistance]

On a serious note who else claimed Miller because I am going to vote them.

What’s a werewolf version of Miller? Furry?

So Uh I learned a lesson from the last game I just played.

I am Werewolf Miller.

Also the T3 aka Dann slot that scumslipped.

I see the answer is no

VOTE: Morph

This looks like a whiteknight. TRing T3 without our knowledge or separate rationale and chainsawing the wagon is not a good look.

[The Resistance]

dannflor has not done a very good job at redeeming his slot imo

This needs to die. Basic shade post, no rationale. Dann's done a great job at engaging and giving reads. Just how has he failed to redeem it? Why?

[The Resistance]

Titus being out in rayman world bodes well for her being town

What does this mean?

That fact you don't know what it means also bodes well

This ignorance is up there for one of the strangest reasons to be TRed. I doubt Ircher can keep up with the thread but I can flag this. I TR you but I want to understand so I can work with you.

My impression of you as scum is that you're self-aware to a fault. As town however, you have been categorized by your own moon logic. That isn't to dismiss your ideals or anything, rather I just think when you're scum you're more focused on fitting in than standing out.

So it's a meta read. Got it. Ugh.

[The Resistance]

someone talk to me

you're not saying much to respond to

Town points, mind meld

Although Manatee gets some townpoints for the frustration.

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Echolocation

Gut VC looking at. Ircher isn't opposed.

Kazyan and morph are FoSes.

~Titus

Did the Kazyan and morph FoSes come from VCA as well?

No. Kazyan was Ircher than I sheeped. Morph was originally from their vote on T3.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

They're necessary and I like to throw them out, especially with people who could contest it. Do you not agree with this? I don't write posts and assume it comes from certainty, they are designed to be engaged with as that's the way I enjoy playing town (on D1).

You could argue D1 meta reads are necessary. If you squint, my T3 defense is technically meta.

I generally ask for a lot of feedback D1 as it is not my certainty as well. I plan on doing a no reasons reads list when I catch up.

[The Resistance]

On a serious note who else claimed Miller because I am going to vote them.

Dannflor's slot opened with a miller claim which has since been retracted many times over, and kdowns had a low-key "Werewolf Miller" claim some dozen pages back.

OK, so.

I may have misinterpreted kdowns initial post. I thought they were claiming werewolf, as in anti-town, and also miller. But it seems they're instead claiming to be a miller who investigates as a werewolf. This changes my opinion on the slot slightly, but I still don't like their body-of-work. I don't have a problem with that claim, though.

This feels town.

[The Resistance]

i like the whemestar votes actually. I mean not as much as the dannflor votes but they're not half bad. I don't much like Whemestar so far as they've just spewed shallow takes.

I agree with this but ManateeDude is largely being a hypocrite here.

[The Resistance]

Dannflor goes today, 100%.

Shelby is scum here.

[The Resistance]

For T3 to be town would require a serious amount of game throwing, to the point where they'd arguably not playing to win condition. I'm not saying that this is outright impossible, but I'm not willing to leave Dannflor alive over possibilities, especially when they're now claiming vt.

T3 did this same thing in Deco. He persisted with his informed miller claim until it was exposed. He claimed VT then and was still eliminated. I was just laughing as scum. T3 can do this.

[The Resistance]

I 100% think T3 is town here and that people are reading into posts too much.
~Ircher

/agree T3 doesnt say shit like that as scum

UNVOTE:

then why did you vote him in the first place

Good question. FoS Vax

[The Resistance]

The Resistance (weird pattern of questioning about things that don't really matter)

What have we questioned that doesn't matter? Why do you not treat it as scumhunting differently?

[The Resistance]

The tonal difference and displayed competency between these two sets of posts are giving me whiplash. It feels like a completely different person started posting

I suck at tone reading. Care to explain the difference?

[The Resistance]

unwnd
Kazyan

lukewarm
taco hemingway
the resistance (kinda shocked this ended up here)
pooky
Vecna
manateegal
uncle shelby
morph
VFP
kdowns
vaxkiller
kakegurui addicts

WhemeStar
Reiuji Utsuho
celestial powerhouse

Echolocation
Anya
T3

As of here, I agree with a chunk of it. Anya and Echo at the bottom is fine. His nullscum is fine.

KA deserves much higher. Shelby and taco lower (Taco is townish but not high town). ManateeDude a bit lower.

[The Resistance]

just take the free newbie townread on kazyan and move on

With the skill of players in this game, I give that to no one. L

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Petapan

Look, I'm voting your top townread! Get me!

Petapan is scum and your reads are bad and you are scum I know you are unwnd!!

Ooh look at me pushing you whatever could I be up to...!

Oddly performative. Gut pings.

[The Resistance]

One more, anyone?

what's your read on anya

she looks like obv wolf to me but i don't want backlash

I like this as townish.

Pausing catchup for work.

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Echolocation

Gut VC looking at. Ircher isn't opposed.

Kazyan and morph are FoSes.

~Titus

aha found it. "Gut VC" just felt weird. I get VC analysis but adding the gut part feels like a way to easily back out of it. testing the waters(heh) i would call it

-Mister Ocean

This is fair. We were testing the waters and seeking feedback.

[The Resistance]

I've like never been in a position where I'm supposed to die but am also still alive for an indefinite period of time

I'll probably just spend some time putting out a more detailed reads list today and then be done

I'm not sure whether I should keep being stubborn or just make a protest vote.

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Petapan

Look, I'm voting your top townread! Get me!

Petapan is scum and your reads are bad and you are scum I know you are unwnd!!

Ooh look at me pushing you whatever could I be up to...!

Oddly performative. Gut pings.

how is it performative and why is that scummy?asking for a friend

I don't like people who put on a skit. It's hiding their true intent which is how I read people in the absence of votesm

[The Resistance]

I'm not sure how I feel about Whemestar as a counter to Dann but he's the other alternative. So instead I am going to make a protest vote to mark my biggest scumread since I am not getting them eliminated and I can't stop the Dann elimination.

Ircher is even further behind then I was. I don't know when you'll see him but specific things you want him to look at, I can relay. Also VLA tmo.

[The Resistance]

VOTE: Uncle Shelby

[The Resistance]

We should be killing Shelby but that's unlikely to happen.

[The Resistance]

I 100% think T3 is town here and that people are reading into posts too much.
~Ircher

100% is a large amount of certainty....

Yes. To be clear, it was part exaggeration, but the read stands.

It seems like the kind of post made specifically to defend T3, rather than to protect the sanctity of the game, ie ensuring a slower, productive first day.

Umm.. What? That makes no sense. How does that kind of statement prolong the day/make it less productive.

Did the Kazyan and morph FoSes come from VCA as well?

morph I believe is mostly an association read. It may be a bit early to do such, but with the way they were spearheading the T3 wagon, it didn't come across as very townie.

Kazyan I think was playing the newbie card too much early game, and thus the FoS there.

except resistance. I dont agree with that one because Titus feels scummy and I haven't seen a single ircher post yet which is problematic(I may have missed it because of how I am reading up so let me know if there's been ircher posts)

I posted somewhat early, but I'm also getting drowned out by the thread's speed. I think I'm technically on page 8-10, so yeah.

ircher needs to post more

This isn't happening at the current thread rate.

I'll be back tonight probably with some actual thoughts. This was just me searching my username for any outstanding concerns.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

That being said, I saw Dannflor give out a last will and testament. Please explain that; it doesn't seem like he is in danger of being eliminated here soon, so it does register as a bit overdramatic.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Every time Ircher plays in a hydra he rolls scum. Someone break it to him.

This is strictly false, and I'll prove it right now.

Okay, surprisingly, I checked, and it doesn't seem I have a town hydra game recorded on my wiki. That said, viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633 is basically a town game due to what the win con for my slot was that game.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Still catching up but my impression thus far is that Dann will be eliminated today.

He is at like... 6 votes according to the last VC. We need double that to eliminate him. It still seems too early to be assuming he's the elim here.

pedit: Okay, but why post a "last will" now? Why not wait and call it a reads list which is what it is?
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd) - hesitant town
petapan - moderate town
Vaxkiller - null, needs post watching
Dannflor T3 - town
WhemeStar - hesitant town
VFP - null needs more
Celestial Powerhouse (anon hydra) - hesitant town
Kazyan - weak scum
Kakeguri Addicts (Yumeko Jabami & Mary Saotome) - town
Taco Hemingway - hesitant town
unwnd - town
The Resistance (Titus & Ircher) - Necessary
Lukewarm - unsure and uneasy
Reiuji Utsuho - would eliminate
mastina - would eliminate
Echolocation - weakest scum
Uncle Shelby - Why isn't this dead yet?
Ythan kdowns - Hi. Nice to meet you. Say something.
Anya - Town
ManateeDude - True Null
Vecna - Town
PookyTheMagicalBear - hesitant town

There's likely scum in my hesitant town category as it is far too big.

~Titus (no Icher meld)

[The Resistance]

Titus head VLA until Sunday. Will catch up then. @ me with any questions.

[The Resistance]

I still think you're scum, but this post makes me doubt myself, because making a readslist is a very non-scummy thing to do right now. Scum would be in full-tilt damage control mode.

I don't agree with this at all. It's really easy to just throw out a reads list with zero explanations. People will even look at it and think, "Oh! That person must be scum hunting since they have all these reads." I would encourage you to dig a bit deeper.

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

This however feels like an overreaction to Kazyan's post. Wouldn't it be easier for scum!Kazyan to ignore the reads list and continue scum reading Dann? After all, it's not like people are really scrutinizing the scum reads since it's based on a purported slip.

If you guys somehow talk yourself into eliminating me instead of Dann, town just deserves to lose; idk what to say

...

I don't think T3 slipped here, I think that this was a poorly thought out form of humor. With that being said, I don't think this is towny, nor should we allow people to claim malefactor.

Okay, I can buy this read, but...

This is also a particularly poor post. One that we would be pressuring more if it weren't for T3 being a bigger target.

(In reference to petapan's 18 What precisely makes T3 a bigger target here. The way I see it, if you don't regard 83 as a slip and based on what you said above, you would find this worse than what T3 did. Hence, it would be of greater priority to vote for you. As it stands, it feels you are giving a divergent read from the crowd yet still trying to blend in.

I think the second sentence is too presumptive, but this is an interesting thought.

(In reference to Kakeguri's 409 Why do you think it's too presumptive? I think it logically follows if you take the first sentence as true.

I have reason to believe we have a police force.

Noting this for the future.

town bumming it up this multiball squad would not feel bad about accidentally hammering or even getting him close to hammer.

How many scum are you presuming here? We need a ridiculously high number of votes to eliminate a player; even if we presume 7 scum, that's still 5 additional town votes that are needed. It's really tough to garner that many votes in such a time, and it's not a fair assumption to make that all scum would be voting town Dannflor right now. Some will avoid it for town credit, etc.

So why wouldnt he be odd as mafia as well?

I mean, he could be, he could not be. It's a probabilistic argument we're making here; it seems unlikely that scum T3 reacted in the way he did.

Because 1) I'm in disbelief that Dann is on the verge of getting away with this and 2) how the obligatory Day 1 argument about me is happening again

1) Your fears seem rather unfounded. The vast majority of the thread has expressed a negative read on T3/Dannflor.
2) What might this argument be? Why are you so fearful when again, we're the only ones who have really expressed a negative read on you to this point?

this is town tho

(In reference to Kazyan's 431 How was that post town-indicative? The way I see it is that Kazyan is way too concerned with their own perception and isn't spending enough time doing actual hunting. Like, their contributions to the game so far have basically been to 1) answer an RQS that didn't exist 2) feign a townslip by claiming they don't know what color private topics are for mafia 3) self vote themselves (I admit, I didn't notice this til now, but their initial post is indeed a self-vote) 4) vote T3 and 5) talk multiple times about how they shouldn't be limmed. Of the things I listed, only one of them has any bearing of relevance to scum hunting, and 111 doesn't even explain the reason for the T3 vote. Rather, it comes across as a sheep vote.

I keep thinking 212 is a Titus post when I read it.

That post looks /nothing/ like a Titus post. Why do you keep associating it with Titus? And perhaps more importantly, how is this comment relevant to finding scum?

Kazyan's AtE is particularly loathsome but most likely town

It is really surprising to me how many people are giving Kazyan a free pass for it. Explain please.

I'm not sure what the fascination with literally claiming scum is, but it remains strictly anti-town beyond being jokey in this game.

(In reference to kdowns's 203 I find it interesting you interpreted it as a werewolf who investigates as mafia to cops rather than as a townie who investigates as werewolf to seers (the werewolf equivalent of cop for those of you not as familiar with this terminology). I don't think the comment is scummy per se, but it does give some insight into the lens you are viewing the game through.

like I just don't see how a scum player lets themselves post the way he has been without considering how bad it looks. the AtE also seems pretty genuine

So "Too scummy to be scum" huh... I would buy this perhaps if Kazyan actually gave evidence of scum hunting; so far, Kazyan has not done that.

petapan also protecting the newby. good vibes.

You are officially on my watchlist.

Dannflor should have full claimed on replace in, imo.

He pretty much did....

This is not a good look for you. Best thing you can do if you're town is to immediately role claim to clear things up.

(In reference to Dannflor's 276 That was a full claim. It's perhaps easy to overlook at first because of ambiguity, but when he double downs on it and disassociates (probably not the best word here) himself from his slot's previous claims, it becomes pretty clear that he is saying he is a townie as in he is a VT this game.

That was a very serious looking claim and I'm not willing to let you walk it back. It wouldn't be right to be able to change the die roll after you've seen the results, would it?

It /could/ have been a serious claim, especially on first glance, but the evidence overwhelming points towards it was not. Just because something "could be" doesn't mean it "actually is".

no guys I'm literally a vanilla townie I have i not made that clear to everyone by now

Clearly, people have trouble resolving ambiguity. I think you were fairly clear, but being explicit always helps.

At bottom of page 20.
---
This game has way too much spamposting. For many of you, you can communicate what you do in five posts in a single post.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

I'm gonna go ahead and call that bluff...

VOTE: T3

It is indeed an inside joke. Why T3 makes a joke to me is anybody's guess. See Deco (mini normal). He claimed the same thing, never retracted and got eliminated as town. It was a gambit to get scum to claim the role.

~Titus

Can you link this game?

Saw this. I link the post in my ISO later but to save you the hassle.

I'm Informed Miller, I know there is a Macho 2-shot Cop.

Lmao. If the mod actually included this, you are the slot that cried wolf.

By the way, I think I should claim here. I'm an Informed Miller.

I was informed there is a macho 2-shot cop.

This is from Deco mini normal.

T3 has been joking all along.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86800

^^^ Deco link

[The Resistance]

You went from a confident "I have full claimed" to "have i not made that clear" very quickly.

This isn't a contradiction. He full claimed, and he was confident that others saw it was a full claim. It is only the fact that people aren't interpreting his posts the same way that gives him some lingering doubt.

I’m Miller

Noted.

I like my role and can’t wait to have fun with it!

I will be targeting Morph the cat N1!

This is also noted.

Strike against you.

(In reference to Dannflor's 497 How precisely? I don't understand your logic here. Also, I think it's highly unlikely there are no VTs in this setup because Cephrir advertised it as normalesque in both feel and flavor. Having no VTs is abnormal; while this is a theme game and Cephrir states it /may/ be the case, it seems very unlikely from a setup speccing view to actually be the case.

No, it's a genuine reaction, because we're having the "Kazyan doesn't communicate like everyone else, and therefore is sus on Day 1" argument for the fourth out of five games, when we could instead be getting a free scum elimination on you.

Where did anyone make a remark about your posting style? You get scum read by the contents of your posts, not by your communication style. Your ISO lacks content and is instead filled with AtE and other filler.

i like the whemestar votes actually. I mean not as much as the dannflor votes but they're not half bad. I don't much like Whemestar so far as they've just spewed shallow takes.

I don't like this slot. She is expressing reads, sure, but they feel too much in-the-flow. That is, she doesn't seem to be genuinely hunting the thread but rather bandwagoning after everyone else's reads and takes.

Why make an RVS vote at this point in time?

(In reference to kdowns's 237 I think this is a good point. The vote comes a solid 20 minutes after kdown's first post, so it's not like they didn't get a chance to do it earlier. Furthermore, kdowns is explicitly calling attention to the fact that it is an RVS vote. That doesn't ring as town behavior because it is basically the equivalent of not taking responsibility for the vote. That said, he is voting off the major wagon; if he truly wanted to make a vote without taking responsibility, it would probably have been better to just join the wagon with that comment. Thus is net, I am actually inclined to slightly town read kdowns for the post.

*snip*

You know, if you had posted this without the earlier filler, I probably wouldn't even be watching your slot as closely as I am right now. I don't have any particular issues at the time for any of the reads you've posted, but you're still on my watch list based on what you have done before this point.

Ugh, no, I think I've talked myself out of this townlean. A contextless Miller claim should automatically cost a lot of towncred from a probabilistic perspective.

Why should it cost a lot of town credit to claim miller? In my experience, scum very rarely claim miller, and if they do, it's generally not immediately but rather a wait before claiming. Claiming miller can be problematic for scum because it locks them into a claim and makes them susceptible to roles like role cops and vanilla cops. My anecdotal experience would suggest that the opposite should be true: a miller claim grants a slight bit of town credit to a player.

they're shaping the pace of the game)
Petapan

Uh what? petapan isn't shaping anything; I've hardly seen his posts.

Petapan is scum and your reads are bad and you are scum I know you are unwnd!!

Ooh look at me pushing you whatever could I be up to...!

I don't really get the point of all this. On one hand, I don't really scum read it because it is too flashy and attention grabbing, and scum generally avoid undue attention to themselves. On the other hand, the fact that it is so performative doesn't resonate as something coming from town to me. Thus, what are you trying to accomplish here?

Read to the bottom of page 30.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Thirty fucking pages in one day. JFC guys.

I'm not reading that and I'm just going to try for VCs.

[The Resistance]

Oh fuck me no VCs either.

Work then I'm coming back to this.

[The Resistance]

Time to move my protest vote since Dannflor is not automatically getting eliminated.

Based solely on the last VC.

VOTE: VFP

[The Resistance]

Time to move my protest vote since Dannflor is not automatically getting eliminated.

Based solely on the last VC.

VOTE: VFP

Mood. Titus, remember the final day of Dogs Vs. Cats? Brave Heart Lion was directly caught in a lie, and yet eliminating them was just Not Happening, for no reason. But now we have Dann caught in the lie of multiple contradictory claims (from T3) and a scumslip, but people have been wringing their hands for 80 pages because of circumstantial tells and other weak nonsense.

I find this reachout townier than the other stubborn attempts to eliminate Dannflor.

Unfortunately for him, I believe those circumstantial tells because I am the primary proponent.

[The Resistance]

Anyone who asks to be town leader is usually not fit to do

Pretty pwlease. I want nukes. I promise I won't hit town with them. Pwetty pwease give me nukies.

[The Resistance]

Just want to confirm we are aware that the third can legally be ww but I'd hammer myself before them in a three player xylim.

I am zero percent worried about it being ww-ww-us.

Can you elaborate?

Shelby's confidence suggests scum. There's evidence for Manatee town. Not overwhelming evidence but still evidence. Shelby is being a greasy salesman here. He did it with Dann/T3 now Manatee.

[The Resistance]

Just want to confirm we are aware that the third can legally be ww but I'd hammer myself before them in a three player xylim.

I am zero percent worried about it being ww-ww-us.

Can you elaborate?

Shelby's confidence suggests scum. There's evidence for Manatee town. Not overwhelming evidence but still evidence. Shelby is being a greasy salesman here. He did it with Dann/T3 now Manatee.

Elaborate about what, specifically?

Who the it is in the bolded? What you mean? I skipped over like 50 pages.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

If it's a masonry, mafia would really want an elimination there. I am very unenthusiastic about eliminating in a spot where someone is confirmed not to be one type of scum.

[The Resistance]

How can you skip over 50 pages and come in acting like I'm the one selling the Manatee wagon? I wasn't even here for any of it. Your tunnel is weird and omgusy.

I am fully capable of reading your posts re:Manatee and Dannflor. Say what you want about my tunnel being weird but if I get a gun, I am shooting you in the face.

[The Resistance]

Dannflor should have full claimed on replace in, imo.

You went from a confident "I have full claimed" to "have i not made that clear" very quickly.

You went from a confident "I have full claimed" to "have i not made that clear" very quickly.

i am exacerbated because I thought it was very clear

what

Ok, I see what posts you're linking to, and it seems sort of awkward to me the way you keep saying " "townie " instead of a more explicit VT (yes, before you ask, I have read the sample PM's), like something you could easily walk back on later.

As in Peta-Tircher-T3 team?

That's what I'm saying yeah

Dannflor goes today, 100%.

Dannflor

is there a reason you had nothing to say about me in your wall post?

(It's because his partner scumslipped nice and early!)

First and foremost, is Manatee in danger of a hammer? Because that is for sure a scum flip.

UNVOTE:

I was ready to vote Manatee based on the whole "scary" thing which I thought was an interesting line of questioning, but that all kind of got dropped. And uh, not gonna lie, I do think the "wolf" case is BS. But the fact that Manatee sat there waiting for morph while everyone else knew exactly what morph was talking about is very very much frozen scum. She didn't want to make any assumptions and put herself in a potentially more incriminating position. Her reaction to morph's eventual explanation bleeds scum caught for the wrong reasons.

But

morph

, couple things. First, 2217 is explicitly not true, as per the game rules. If there are two wolves in that masonry, it certainly gives more context to what you're talking about in 2433. I think you may want to reconsider townreading your other hoodmate (especially if it is who I'm thinking it is) if you were previously under the impression there couldn't be more than one scum per hood.

[The Resistance]

Salesman.

He wants any lim and fast.

[The Resistance]

I'll take a look at that but I am not concerned with who is leading the charge but how they argue it instead. That's my problem with Shelby.

[The Resistance]

Literally just quoted it.

[The Resistance]

Titus, Morph is leading the Manatee charge. Morph's case is...

fine

, I guess, but Manatee's reactions to the suspicion coming on to them seemed scummy to me, in case you wanted to look back at it yourself:

Morph iso starting with their case wall: viewtopic.php?p=12895508&user_select%5B ... #p12895508

Manatee's iso, starting with their response: viewtopic.php?p=12895616&user_select%5B ... #p12895616

This is broke. Can you tell me what post to read from?

[The Resistance]

Salesman.

He wants any lim and fast.

What does this mean?

It's pretty clear. You'll push anything to wrap the day. You rushed trying to force a Dannflor elimination and now you're upselling Manatee.

[The Resistance]

What is your take in one mason bring the biggest reason for the other mason to be eliminated?

-Zeus

This is to Titus

It's foolish but less likely to be scum motivated than someone outside pushing it.

If he thinks that Manatee is scum early, I would kiss Manatee's ass to get the best possible reads, and then drop the FoS in the hood at the last minute of night. Then you get all the associatives and you get to avoid the nightkills. Sometimes, it's about playing the long game.

Eliminating an odd townread of Manatee's would have been my play here.

[The Resistance]

Particularly when you have to force Manatee into one particular box.

[The Resistance]

Scumfucks trying to squirm away from the inevitability of Dann's imminent demise.

This is also a salesman.

[The Resistance]

Looking at the area of the push and I have a nagging question. Why would Manatee deny being in a hood as town or scum?

[The Resistance]

I'm mostly confused on wjy you think Shelby is sellimg the Manatee wagon when he has nothing to do with it, or is even paying much attention to it

Post 2481. Selling up a Manatee scum flip. The fact he's largely ignoring a wagon he guarantees will flip scum makes it worse, not better.

[The Resistance]

Looking at the area of the push and I have a nagging question. Why would Manatee deny

being in a hood

ever having a hood as town or scum?

Ebwop

[The Resistance]

I have disliked all of Ythan's takes the last few pages, which is wild because I really like every post he made before that.

I concur.

[The Resistance]

*shrug* It's practically open wolfing but you guys don't see it.

[The Resistance]

I maintain caught for the right reason you fucks.

I think you're town for it. I don't think the wagon is scum driven but scum are hyping it up.

[The Resistance]

I maintain caught for the right reason you fucks.

I think you're town for it. I don't think the wagon is scum driven but scum are hyping it up.

Titus, it's multi-ball. If it means mafia are gonna help me fry this werewolf then so be it.

You can have VCA heaven later on.

I think they are both helping you.

[The Resistance]

votecount 1.7

Dannflor (5) | Spiffeh, Kazyan, Kakeguri Addicts, Ythan
VFP (4) | unwnd, morph the cat, Dannflor, Pooky
Spiffeh (3) | WhemeStar, petapan, Uncle Shelby
WhemeStar (2) | Vecna, ManateeDude
Lukewarm (2) | Celestial Powerhouse, Taco Hemingway
Celestial Powerhouse (1) | Anya
petapan (1) | Echolocation
Uncle Shelby (1) | The Resistance

Not Voting (3) | VFP, mastina, Vaxkiller

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2021-07-29 10:00:00)

I know I am not getting Shelby but look how pure that VFP wagon is.

[The Resistance]

Also Vecna + Manatee is bad from the VC I just quoted.

[The Resistance]

I really need some town buddies to sync up with. The pace of this game is too fast and my schedule is too socially loaded.

Im a bit bummed why there is so little attention for a Whemstar Wagon or a Kakeguri wagon.

Someone dissuade me with some good arguments.

I'd settle for WhemeStar. My gut loves me some KA.

#reachout

[The Resistance]

You just stated you think VFX is scum titus/Ircher? Any particular reason? Ive gotten very little from that slot but it seems very much preferable to a Dann wagon atm to me.

VFP is based on purity of wagon.

I did my part in shouting down the bad Dann wagon.

[The Resistance]

Titus, Morph is leading the Manatee charge. Morph's case is...

fine

, I guess, but Manatee's reactions to the suspicion coming on to them seemed scummy to me, in case you wanted to look back at it yourself:

Morph iso starting with their case wall: viewtopic.php?p=12895508&user_select%5B ... #p12895508

Manatee's iso, starting with their response: viewtopic.php?p=12895616&user_select%5B ... #p12895616

This is broke. Can you tell me what post to read from?

Link works for me.

Case from morph is post 2174

@Vecna

[The Resistance]

Spoiler: unwnd

It's Shelby and Ythan.

[The Resistance]

So I'm probably not reading much if anything tonight. Instead, I'll answer any questions fielded towards our slot within the next 30 or so minutes. (I'll answer them to the extent I am able.)
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

what's your favorite flavor of ice cream

I don't really eat ice cream because of allergies and thus never acquiring a taste for it. For things close to ice cream, I guess lemon flavored would be my favorite.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

I'm disappointed that no one wants to ask me any questions. I see morph had a huge Manatee case that I haven't read and probably won't anytime soon, but does someone want to give a one to two paragraph TL;DR of it?
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Okay, I took a look, and I don't find it too compelling. Like tbh, I kinda expected something more grandose with the big font and everything. Could it be a perspective slip? Absolutely! Is it likely that is the case? I don't know; there are too many other possibilities that seem equally as plausible. I also don't put much stock into the meta aspect simply because Manatee gains very little by lying about their experience with neighborhoods.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Also from a mechanical standpoint, anyone in the masonry is a lower priority to sort because probabilistically speaking, the fact that they are not mafia/malefactor means the chance they are scum goes way down. I think we are probably better off limming outside the masonry on Day 1 for that reason alone.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Cool now read her response to it hitting the thread.

I think her initial 2220; I wouldn't call it a good nor a bad reaction, but it fits inline with what I'd expect from someone who knows the case is wrong and that she is town. She is maybe a little bit too defensive, but people tend to be that way against cases they feel wrongly portray their actions. The subsequent AtE is eh, but I think it's still within reasonable expectations given that people seemed to be more or less blindly sheeping the case. I would be pretty frustrated too if I thought I was being wagoned on the basis of a poorly thought out case. I think 2236 where she votes morph is the only part I would consider a poor reaction, and even then, I think there are other quite plausible possibilities.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

im a town even night gunsmith mason

[The Resistance]

[The Resistance]

I hope to catch up tonight. I got a tub of enormous late organic gameified chocolate to eat tonight.

Data is data. Looks like I got playthings.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

We had a lim in less than four hours? Did someone get a guilty?
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Okay and why does DGB have so many votes right now?
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

So in other words... We're basically blindly sheeping morph here? Like, morph the cat is pretty good, but it seems wrong to just end the day prematurely under the basis that their reads are perfect. That's rarely the case for anyone. Plus by the looks of it, it's unlikely we're going to gleam any useful info from this day phase because of the way it is playing out.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Did morph give some semblance of a case on VFP/DGB? I would ask about the Spiffeh slot as well, but he's already flipped.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

pagetop
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

I guess I'll start reading from day 2 then. That and review my notes to refresh my memory on this game. I think we should extend the day at least long enough to hear from everyone and give everyone a chance to give an opinion on the elim.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

What do you mean "solved" WhemeStar?
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Kinda bummed I just lost my elo game, but I had fun.

Reading up now.

[The Resistance]

What does backup role blocker mean? Does scum have another roleblocker?

Backups can inherit from any alignment I believe. There's a classic open I played with that. White Flagged my buddy and we won it. It is old enough where it might be referenced on my wiki.

[The Resistance]

I actually think Taco can go now. I wasn't sure at first but then I saw their AtE.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

if you scumread me, fucking case me - don't just play around like you think you're slick with a non-holistic look at my slot.

This is odd coming from someone who fakes guilties.

[The Resistance]

wheme where are you rushing to? need the safety of a nightkill?

What is it you want to discuss?

Most people don't agree with your read on Unwnd.

Although I strongly disagree with the read, I relate to having unpopular reads.

[The Resistance]

If werewolves' factional kill counts for the bulletproof, that means that was a strongman. If werewolves' factional kill doesn't count for the bulletproof, then that has entirely different implications.)

Redacted.

This is a silly question with an obvious answer.

This clearly isn't a normal game, and making wrong presumptions is never a good idea. It's better to double-check.

one pattern in her reads list is that she does a lot of "I think x because Y but they should probably be higher/lower. like she was constantly giving herself wiggle room on all of her reads. my eyebrow is raised a little at the taco and kazyan town reads a little because she had fairly specific reasons for town reading each of them (versus other reads of being like "can't quite remember but generally good stances) and then immediately undercut herself by saying that maybe they belonged a little lower

I like this. If I get a chance to, I'll maybe take a look at those.

Ah yes, werewolves sharing a masonry with two town players magically means they know who all the slots in the games' alignments are.

I think Kakeguri's point was that if the werewolves wanted to shoot town last night and avoid killing the same person as mafia (that rules out killing morph the cat), they could have just killed the third mason whose identity they already knew. Presumably, this mason is not werewolf aligned like Manatee, which admittedly is a questionable but not unreasonable assumption.

Regardless, pretty random kill. Potentially aimed to make pooky or unwind look dodgy?

What makes you think this? (That is, how does it reflect poorly on Pooky or unwnd?)

i vote if this flips scum we speed fade vfp and just end the day

You just said your role is now boring, and yet you want to enter night as soon as possible. Where is this confidence coming from?

UNVOTE: CheekyTeeky

I dont want Celestial Powerhouse to hammer unless they townread me

I don't like this. It really shouldn't matter who hammers. This is being petty at best.

ftr I don't really think vecna is a wolf

Can you elaborate?

i can only think people are pushing pooky right now because they desperately need not-scum eliminations

It doesn't seem like many people are doing that. I see maybe one or two people doing that.

lots of fake bravado

I think I am starting to see where this is coming from with regards to Taco. I'm not sure yet about whether I agree with the conclusion though.

Maybe I should just out some pr results and eat a bullet or a claw or w/e

Noting...

what pisses me off is some of yall are just openwolfing with your scumreads on me and some of you are just being shitty surface level readers and i can' tell the difference because none of you will fucking ellaborate on your read

The AtE here is duly noted. What precisely makes the scumreads on you "openwolfing", and who do you think this applies to?

im going to full claim if people dont knock this shit off.

and yall will regret that bc i am a particularly useful anti ww role with majority ww left.

You aren't doing yourself any favors here. What is the purpose of this? Actions speak louder than words; don't want to be scum read? Then show that you are town (rather than telling everyone again and again that you are town without doing anything of importance.)

Don’t form reads taco just vote DGF

Why are you giving people an excuse to not read? How are we supposed to find scum if we give scum a free pass to sheep?

all this talk about me not reading the game when people aren't reading my slot at all, makes you really think.

You aren't giving evidence you are reading the game. Like, your top scum read is unwnd which is kinda ???. (I wouldn't say I'm super town reading them per se, but they are far from a top scum read of mine). You've asked people to explain why they are scum reading you, yet they have multiple times mentioning things like your lack of reading and soft claiming.

i think arguments, even if TvT, are extremely useful when evaluating how people around the argument are reacting to it.

I disagree. They take up space and don't lead to much. People can take whatever stance they want; it gets drowned out by the argument. Yours though seems like a TvS argument.

Look at me be useless

FTFY.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

Kinda bummed I just lost my elo game, but I had fun.

Reading up now.

Was a hard one to win

I know. I played too trusting in the midgame. I should have told DGB to take a hike but Town!Titus rarely breaks her word to fellow townreads. I should have. Then A50 was about keeping the core together. I should have pushed Galron sooner. We all misplayed a bit though.

Pedit: Ninjaed by my better head.

[The Resistance]

I should have told DGB to take a hike

What? No!!!!

If we didn't eliminate Toog and A50, we had the extra lim for Mathblade.

[The Resistance]

Is it wrong I want to hammer you again and hope you're a wolf DGB? Then I hammered you three times with three alignments for you.

[The Resistance]

I should have told DGB to take a hike

What? No!!!!

If we didn't eliminate Toog and A50, we had the extra lim for Mathblade.

He was widely townread but most though.

That game you were in sounds fun and all, but how is it relevant to this one?

Don't know. I'm fishing.

[The Resistance]

Every time Ircher plays in a hydra he rolls scum. Someone break it to him.

"Bus'ing your partner but for reasons that aren't credible to anyone."

You should replacing bussing with OMGUSing. Just sayin

[The Resistance]

Every time Ircher plays in a hydra he rolls scum. Someone break it to him.

"Bus'ing your partner but for reasons that aren't credible to anyone."

You should replacing bussing with OMGUSing. Just sayin

Sure Jan

No. It's Karen and I demand to speak with your manager. You don't meme well.

[The Resistance]

I actually think Taco can go now. I wasn't sure at first but then I saw their AtE.
~Ircher

if you scumread me, fucking case me - don't just play around like you think you're slick with a non-holistic look at my slot.

This is odd coming from someone who fakes guilties.

when you go from accusing my AtE of being scum indicative to switching up to personal insult of my towngame.

you know I'm town don't you?

What about my "ate" is scummy?

Ircher has his reasons for the top post.

I find your reaction to FoSes overblown considering you'll fake guilities and put players in spots that can't be reasoned out of.

[The Resistance]

Why can't I iso Cheeky Teeky?

He died before posting.

[The Resistance]

VOTE: The Trolls

Did I do it right?

[The Resistance]

I assume they contribute to reaching parity for either scum faction as well. They do in practice regardless of the implementation.

I disagree. This is worth checking. Malefactor is different than traitor. It does not know its partners so it could hammer scum in elo. This is worth checking.

[The Resistance]

I am not sure on DGB. I got them wrong in elo yesterday. I am willing to lim it based on slot history but I'd be hesitant on it. Basically, I'd vote there for town cohesion/day end. DGB has slightly improved the slot.

Vecna I feel is town, but his posting has fell off lately. Maybe he was trying to pocket me. There are better eliminations.

Taco I'd feel better about.

Anya is my favorite on the list.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

I think my reads were ok here. With the manatee flip, Anya dropped.

Peta drops to null.
Vecna drops to between A and null.
Kazyan is in A.

[The Resistance]

Ocean, let's talk until the bench calls my case.

[The Resistance]

i will repeat for the nth time i don't think vecna is a wolf and that read from manatee is anti-partnery, if anything. i think his posts have been ~fine, wouldn't say townclearing, could be the game's one tryhard scum but don't feel like it's sound ~process~ to to go deepwolf hunting here

i will kind of sort of catch up in a halfassed way now that things are not out of control

Why is Vecna a wolf?

[The Resistance]

Ocean, let's talk until the bench calls my case.

mommaaaa bear what do you wanna talk about :O

-Mister Ocean

Aww... if you weren't obvtown, I'd be pocketed. Our reads widely disagree with yours atm but we were both largely right on the flips so far. I'd like a deeper comment than oh boy.

[The Resistance]

@Ocean, I am willing to compromise on DGB. Just know if it's wrong, you can expect me to fight you to get Shelby or Ythan eliminated. I strongly think Shelby is malefactor or scum with Manatee. I think Ythan's push on Dannflor was bad too.

[The Resistance]

@Vecna thoughts on my reads?

[The Resistance]

I'm a little lost because I have some unpopular reads (Pooky is scum, Dann is scum, and unwnd is ???), but Celestial's scum categories in the wall are good. I'm okay with killing the first three names on that list (DGB, Taco, Vecna), with a soft preference for throwing Taco off the cliff first.

Why does having unpopular reads make you lost?

[The Resistance]

Titus, how come were suddenly getting along, ~sort of~?

Because I read your tone like Civilization.

[The Resistance]

I'm a little lost because I have some unpopular reads (Pooky is scum, Dann is scum, and unwnd is ???), but Celestial's scum categories in the wall are good. I'm okay with killing the first three names on that list (DGB, Taco, Vecna), with a soft preference for throwing Taco off the cliff first.

Why does having unpopular reads make you lost?

Because two other popular reads have been 2 for 2 on scum eliminations, so I'm not sure if I'm taking the road less traveled or steering myself into a ditch.

I think the reads that flipped were not unpopular but just middle of the road and the people who believed they were scum lacked influence day 1.

For instance, I read Echo as scummy but he was midtier and I had already spent a lot of charisma keeping T3/Dann alive.

[The Resistance]

Titus, how come were suddenly getting along, ~sort of~?

Because I read your tone like Civilization.

I dont think we've had a single T/T game where we didnt fight for 80% of the game.

Doesnt that make you at least a little suspicious?

We sorted each other quick in Civilization. Math was so off the rails, I had to vote to self eliminate.

I have also changed a fair amount since we last played.

[The Resistance]

Don't put DGB at L minus 1 unless you want me to hammer.

If we're limming DGB, let's at least make a meme about it.

Titus always hammers DGB.

(I love you DGB.)

[The Resistance]

Don't put DGB at L minus 1 unless you want me to hammer.

If we're limming DGB, let's at least make a meme about it.

Titus always hammers DGB.

(I love you DGB.)

That's not a meme, and please don't create pointless animosity between Titus and I.

Sorry that was me joking. Sorry if that hurt you.

~Titus

[The Resistance]

What would the werewolf equivalent of gunsmith even be? That doesn't have a logical equivalent like cop or mason does.

[The Resistance]

~Ircher

[The Resistance]

i think its hilarious how much you dance around my PR claim being a point in my favor while trying to discred it. you know I'm town and want to push for my mislim here, huh?

What PR claim? (I acknowledge you have claimed later, but as far as I'm aware, you hadn't claimed to this point.) All you did was claim that you have a really useful role.

WHen I signed up I just followed a link that peta posted in the epicmafia forum maf discord and said yeah lets do it so lmao

Am I really going to have to read another 5 pages of you spamming the thread with AtE and excuses?

This is a big game with a lot of hyper posters, some townies are bound to lose their footing in the social landscape.

Like, you literally just said this about VFP, and with that on your mind, you did not even consider that as a possibility that could apply to Vax as well?

Meh, there's being drowned out and then there is not contributing at all. I haven't looked at VFP's or most of Vax's posts, but the few posts of Vaxkiller I've seen are 100% devoid of game relevant content. That's not a good look; certainly Vaxkiller could say something useful in the few posts he does have, but he fails even that. (Granted, I've only read a subset of Vaxkiller's posts, so maybe I missed the ones with actual game content.)

mastina's read on kakeguri and posts like this feel unbelievable

mastina's reads are mostly irrelevant. What matters more is her engagement level. So far, she seems pretty engaged; thus, I'm inclined to town read her.

because we claim THIRD MASON

My read on your slot instantly drops from this because if I were a werewolf and knew you were town, I would 100% be killing your slot during the night. (To be clear, I am not interested in elimming this slot any time soon despite this; I'm just noting from a NKA perspective, this instantly raises their scum equity.)

For the record: speeding our way through our first elimination in a day phase with two eliminations sharing one deadline is actually optimal play imo

Oh, I was unaware that the deadline wasn't reset between elims. The speed lim makes more sense if the deadline isn't reset.

Mastina is town

Vaxkiller is starting to look better.

*snip of giant reads list*

(For future reference.)

i've never seen pooky happier or more playful. i would bet my life on pooky being town here. seriously.

Uh, is this an actual town tell for Pooky? My impression is he is always like that, and if anything, this seems like it would be a negative point. (As in, he can use the excessive posts as a smoke screen to avoid actual hunting.)

DGB > Vecna > Taco > Anya > Mastina

I'm thinking Taco > DGB > Vecna > Anya > mastina is the better elim order based on scum equity. I actually don't think mastina has scum equity here and should be higher in your reads list.

I don't actually town read Vecna, but my hydra partner does so I'm putting some stock into that. Ditto for Anya (but to a much lesser extent).

U know what, imma just claim more of it. Im basically a gunsmith but for ww

And we're supposed to believe that huh...

unprompted tilt roleclaims are >>rand town in my experience - malefactor claiming here just opens themselves to being a NK

That wasn't a tilt claim, and it especially wasn't unprompted.

why do we have Kayzan outside of consensus PoE btw?

Because Kazyan isn't bleeding scum like someone around here is....

Why on a

holistic

level is Kayzan town?

That's precisely why.

I think actually that BP doesn't actually work against the Wolf factional kill, just based on my own role PM specifying specific roles.

We've been over this already.

I would not be surprised to see all scum within
[Wheme, Anya, DGB, mastina, Vecna, peta]


I just need to narrow this down further.

Please stop spamming. Around 40%-60% of the last 15 pages have been you spamming two-liners.
---
This game is rather unreadable with Taco's sheer volume of posts in the last several pages.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

I don't even have the highest post count so don't even try to come at me for it.

ISO #42 is your first post for Day 2. You now have 248 posts in the game putting you at the sixth highest post count in the game. I rest my case.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

That shouldn't be what you are interacting with me about first, and I hope this is not your last response.

It is, or rather, this will be.

You are drowning out almost all of the other voices in the thread. That needs to stop.
~Ircher

[The Resistance]

VOTE: DGB

VLA this weekend

[The Resistance]

^^ Titus head VLA

[The Resistance]

VOTE: anya

Ircher head vla through Monday

Titus head is sheeping.

[The Resistance]

does the roleblock work on the wolf factional, i am confused by the role interactions here

There's no reason why it shouldn't.