Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: petapan
You’re not getting away from me this time.

[Gamma Emerald]

"Listen up! Four of you are not really true contestants, but fake implants sent by the studio to steal all the prize money! Gasp!"

*Warning: Gunshots are in the song*

I've always wanted to wagon myself. VOTE: Taly

A vote for me is a vote for town sitting on the electric chair.



What are y'all gonna do?

Taly is TOWN

[Gamma Emerald]

@shiki i don't think scum fake not reading a post all that often. i think if pooky is scum they were like "hmm what would town!me be theorizing about the setup here". or "hmm how can i justify voting myself"

i don't think either is super likely

So I’m not alone in instantly recognizing that was shiki, neat

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My town slip is that I didn't even realize there were events until pooky mentioned it and I scrolled up

(sorry for not reading the setup before MT, now that I have it is really awesome though!!)

what-
What did you think the point of this game was?

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pooky is saying that they didn't read prism's "acquitted" post here. i was responding to the "hiding that they did" idea

nono i was saying prism might have been hiding their thoughts with regards to the chair, sorry

ok so if i got this right your thought process is:

prism and pooky both are thinking that it could be good to get voted here

pooky has an inutitive theory (the king theory) whereas prism's seems much less intuitive to you

therefore, prism could be scum who does not want to mention the more intuitive theory because it's actually the correct theory?

tbh
Looking at the motives themselves, not even considering what might be true
Wanting to be acquitted feels more suspicious than wanting to be king, it implies a level of guilt imo

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I'd imagine the trial is something like "this person is either the lim or not now everyone vote"

This seems along the lines Prism got the acquittal idea off of

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I hope this is like amogus mafia and the night events are tasks

Were you a spectator for that?

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you just won a game against me where i was scum, haven't i suffered enough you bloodthirsty maniac

Yea but you pockited me

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VOTE: dwlee
How do you know of among us mafia? Pretty sure you weren’t around for that.

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VOTE: dwlee
How do you know of among us mafia? Pretty sure you weren’t around for that.

why is that worthy of a vote

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VOTE: dwlee
How do you know of among us mafia? Pretty sure you weren’t around for that.

I'm friends with Shea and he mentioned it the other day in a discord convo so I took a look at it

Ah. Makes enough sense.
VOTE: Pooky
His solve is almost

too

good

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VOTE: dwlee
How do you know of among us mafia? Pretty sure you weren’t around for that.

why is that worthy of a vote

no really why are you voting him

Thought he might have been relayed something in scum PT since he’s notably anti-meta on his own

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All of Pooky’s SRs feel valid
Typically if Pooky is town I end up thinking one or more of his SRs are bad

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Peta/Prism/Ydrasse all seem like okay slots to sus rn

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From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

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in tweet games i am on a different level

you should know this from radio buzz gamma

that was the first one for me lol

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From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

it feels like ur trying to frame this more from like, the perspective of validating pooky instead of stuff /you/ believe in even though you're able 2 espouse these reasons

it kinda is?

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Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke

I was the first player who brought attention to the fact it may not be a straightforward elim.

The specific way I did so was a joke and a reference to the term "trial". What is the "actual tangible game thoughts" you think are at issue here?

If you insist that it is unlikely I connected the word "trial" with "acquittal" except by some form of internalized guilt, can you please cite one of the 6+ scumgames of mine you have seen where I have ever been worried for even for a moment about my ability to dodge a vote?

I think your wish for acquittal was the sign of internalized guilt, not the connection of trial to acquittal
and idk how much you being able to dodge the vote in the past matters, my concept for your thought process was that you thought survival of the trial would somehow make you less killable in the future, and you wanted security down the road.
also I dunno about that "I was the first one to mention it might not be straightforward" thing

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do you think
it is just an elimination?

it sounds like there might be a twist, but i plan on treating it as an elim

like, you might have been to first one to explicitly suggested you

believed

it was something else, but others entertained the idea first

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I think your wish for acquittal was the sign of internalized guilt, not the connection of trial to acquittal

mmmmmm why does that seem more likely to you

that's the wrong question to ask, a better one would be "why does that suggest internalized guilt?" whcich I've kinda gone over already

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oh

prism

you use she/her?

apologies if they/them was not appropriate, then.

i use he/him btw

ngl I didn't realize prism was using she/her until when I read this

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bvb vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
not even 15 pages in and I already feel way off base and like I need a reset

[Gamma Emerald]

You missed the important question in that Gamma. I will bold it, highlight it in red, and double the font size for you.

Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke

I was the first player who brought attention to the fact it may not be a straightforward elim.

The specific way I did so was a joke and a reference to the term "trial".

What

is

are the "actual tangible game thoughts" you think are at issue here?

To respond to your recent point about "internalized guilt" for wanting a hypothetical trial around me to end in an acquittal anyway, I don't want an answer to this but food for thought: When someone undergoes a trial, what do you think the outcome of the result is for those who are innocent? A guilty verdict? Christ dude.

I don’t really stand by this anymore but like, you seemed to have some idea in your head that an acquittal would have lasting impact, at least that’s how my head filled in that blank.

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gamma, i still want clarification on what you meant by me being "reactive" and why that was suspicious, and why pooky having scumreads you agreed with meant your conclusion was that he was scum, rather than town who was thinking the same way you were

No.

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Vote me
I want out

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Toog pls

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I mean skitter hasn't posted yet cuz she's VLA

wouldn't it be a funny prank if she logged in and found out she's on some cool metal chair

heheehe

I like this concept.
VOTE: Skitter30

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I mean skitter hasn't posted yet cuz she's VLA

wouldn't it be a funny prank if she logged in and found out she's on some cool metal chair

heheehe

that would indeed!

I mean skitter hasn't posted yet cuz she's VLA

wouldn't it be a funny prank if she logged in and found out she's on some cool metal chair

heheehe

I like this concept.
VOTE: Skitter30

why are you taking this seriously?

[Gamma Emerald]

its almost like he knows something we dont

More like I just dgaf
I’ve already basically checked out because I tried playing serious and it felt like everyone had a problem with that. So instead I’m just being Captain Capricious and doing whatever the fuck I want. And rn I want to fuck with people.

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I can and I am.

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That’s not to say I’m giving up
I’m just doing my own thing, fuck the haters.

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Well I don’t think my viewpoint was that great either, but tbh the level of “what the fuck is Gamma doing” I’ve gotten this game just makes any effort I would care to muster feel really unwelcome

[Gamma Emerald]

Ulyana definitely feels like one of those people
Maybe peta/Ydrasse too

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gamma, i still want clarification on what you meant by me being "reactive" and why that was suspicious, and why pooky having scumreads you agreed with meant your conclusion was that he was scum, rather than town who was thinking the same way you were

Like, when I’m already feeling kinda like an idiot and completely hazy on what the fuck I’m doing, being asked what feels like a barrage of questions kinda set me off

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Mine

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reading thru Ulyana's iso, she didn't actually ask you anything about your thoughts.

the three people who did are Peta, Ydrasse, Prism.

who just happen to be the three people you

agree

with me on.

So I'm confused why you'd be tilted if the people you think make sense to susp are giving you shit about susping them?

OOF

You have a definite point.

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Ulyana definitely feels like one of those people

wait what?

i just didn't understand why you thought prism would have said acquittal due to having knowledge of her own guilt

rather than

trial > acquittal

like i'd be quite happy to read anything you posted going forward i just didn't really follow that

and then after you suggested yourself to be voted you seemed to be playing into that with the skitter vote like it obviously wasn't a real suggestion

so it felt like you were playing jester

Eh
Trial > acquittal did seem like the actual thought he had
I just felt like there was more to it

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did you just not notice the people giving you shit just happen to be the people you suspect?

It occurred to me on individual levels but I didn’t notice it was 3 for 3
VOTE: petapan
I could honestly go anywhere in those three, but peta has felt the worst out of them

[Gamma Emerald]

do you still not feel like answering my questions about your read on me now that you're actually voting me

The biggest thing I could recall from you then was you reacting to stuff like me voting you and being like “but you won last” time, that felt kinda self-conscious
As for the Pooky vote that was kinda a meme vote but I think it actually helped me in a way

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I said kinda
I do feel like more often than not there’s one SR he has that’s unpalatable to me so I voted him to kinda work out whether it was malicious-feeling or not, plus there’s a haha-funny line of “you’re playing so well you have to be deep wolf bussing your buddies!”

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That was meant as a response to infinity but skitter fortunately posted some else it responds to

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Shockingly my reads are mostly aligned with skitter's, minus Ydrasse who is a townlean and maybe Dwlee who is solidly null for me.

My reasoning differs on Gamma, who I'm voting for like three different reasons. (Scrambling to hit tonal bases early, read on Dwlee, reactions to pushes)

What even is this tonal base shit
Also I don’t believe I’ve had an opinion on Dwlee yet so that feels like a load of crap

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Okay that’s like one of the dumbest things to think I’m scum for, I just go “I think I can frame this maybe-so thing as hard evidence”? Bruh

[Gamma Emerald]

I figured out what you meant wrt Dwlee and I think you’re reaching
As for how I enter games as scum I’ve since grown past thinking I need to be the one carrying the team, plus I thought the flavor and plist was interesting so I was eager to get out and play

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VOTE: prism
The more I look at and think about his play the more I feel like it’s not in good faith

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Miraculous given that every single game I've played as scum against him I've townread him, let him get eliminated for free, and had him never learn from it.

I guess I got tired of pulling the same tactic.

And yet you lorded that over me last game; there’s a reasonable chance you got self-conscious of your own meta around me and decided to try something new.
In addition, you mention my “hitting tonal bases” thing was an issue from my first 6 posts, but I believe your little potshot at me came after those. Where’s the thought process that maybe I was deliberately tilting you as scum?

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You literally do not take feedback. Trying to get you to critically evaluate my slot has been a project for 4+ years now.

For your townplay I have highlighted the tactics I used against you as scum again and again and had you fail to punish them.

For your scumplay I highlighted it for you that you had a terrible habit of putting all of your scumteam in your scumreads and you proceeded to keep doing it in your next several games, which I'd have to find later as I don't want to comb through them right now.

Actually, pretty sure your little concept of “gamma stick his buddies in his lowest tier” has been defied numerous times. And you wanna know what happened when I avoiding bussing like the plague?

I crashed and burned

. Go look at Open 805 Panic Room for proof. I was absurdly averse to bussing because I wanted to win as a team with people I was excited to roll scum with. That led me digging in my heels on an ill-formed murdercat defense and tanking the team. Basically any time I stick my neck out for a buddy whose life is on the line it feels like I’m just setting myself up to go alongside them. So maybe you get why I near-compulsively bus sometimes?

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As for my town play, I’ve tried to play around my weaknesses. I know I have a habit of getting pockited so I’ve adopted the Cabd Clause, made a thing in the Wall Street Bets game. I’ve tried to lean more into gut after having games where it felt like hard logic was leading me astray more often than it helped.
I really feel like if you want to actually help me improve, you need to check your tone. Because I feel like you come off as bitter and/or condescending every time you seemingly try to help.

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Anyway, are you asserting 277 was the

start

of you suspecting me? I have problems with it regardless, but the severity of them depends.

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Man that is an

obsessive

level of trying to prove your mindset.

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Correct. Have at me.

As for this, my issue in this case is the use of the word “extended”. That comes off as something you’ve been seeing for a while and just then chose to vocalize. And yet you just now claim it was a reaction to seeing my ISO. If feels more like you saw a potential angle to push me on and went after it.

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How am I “teaching you how to play scum” lmfao
This sort of narrative deflection does not look well on you.

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So your issue with me boils down to how I’m interacting with certain slots
That’s just how I am, so this feels like at best you’ve taken my play style as a sure sign I’m scum. Sheesh.

And I don’t think I can really get everyone to vote you out over me but I beg everyone to not overlook how much machismo Prism is trying to exude in this interaction with me. She is the epitome of r/iamverybadass imo.

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It’s also a really convenient thing to do as scum where “I AM SO CERTAIN OF THIS READ AND I AM GOING TO PUT MY WHOLE WEIGHT INTO PUSHING IT!”.

Also, to go straight off the deep end logic-wise, your little post link paper trails reinforce the idea that you’re overly self-conscious.
And I never was saying just wanting an acquittal was scummy, to finally go back to that. It was an idea, potentially ill-formed, that you had some thinking that an acquittal had lasting tangible benefit.

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It seems like you're talking to other players about Prism but you're in a 1v1 with Prism directly.

That’s exactly the point. I’m like a prizefighter, I’m clashing with my foe while also trying to glitz it up for those watching. And it is extra-pertinent I do so because those watching, much like in a gladiatorial match, have the ability to give the thumbs-up or thumbs-down to my cause.

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That concern feels fair but idk how to exactly rectify that rn
Part of the issue is Prism is trying to swamp me with evidence to sift through and rather than deal with a bunch of grist and shit that probably doesn’t matter I’m focusing on what I find pertinent. I had a similar reaction when ssbm_Kyouko cased me in Radio Buzz.

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That was @Taly

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I probably barely remember most of our games
And tbh I do see similarities to what kyouko did in your play but I’m not ready to back down just yet

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I kinda wanna take some time to let things simmer wrt how I feel about Prism. Meanwhile:
VOTE: SirCakez
You feel notably absent right now. What’s going on?

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Taly, what do you think of Cakez rn? I feel like him being low-impact early is pretty strange in general but slightly scum-indicative based on recent meta

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mine

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Cephrir
ulyana
Ydrasse
PookyTheMagicalBear
skitter30
Infinity 324
Galron

I’m probably going to count on these people to help me keep a level head wrt Prism, because I think he’s in a similar spot Kyouko was in Radio Buzz so if they back that up I’ll basically just write off Prism as town until lategame

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Basically the only reason I didn’t have a reaction to kyouko akin to how I reacted to prism was kyouko laid a clever trap and I respected that play as a probable town maneuver.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cephrir
ulyana
Ydrasse
PookyTheMagicalBear
skitter30
Infinity 324
Galron

I’m probably going to count on these people to help me keep a level head wrt Prism, because I think he’s in a similar spot Kyouko was in Radio Buzz so if they back that up I’ll basically just write off Prism as town until lategame

uh no offense but this basically looks like you're asking half the game to give you an out to back out of this fight

Im already backing out wtf
I’m just trying to get a measurement of how long this truce should be, in effect

Basically the only reason I didn’t have a reaction to kyouko akin to how I reacted to prism was kyouko laid a clever trap and I respected that play as a probable town maneuver.

ehhhhhhhhh we'll ahve to agree to disagree on this interpretation of ssbm's play there

If that hadn’t been a factor, I don’t think I would have heard out the effort arguments from everyone else, just going off how I’m not really buying into how people are claiming this is Prism’s townplay either.

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There is no truce. I am letting others play but I want your head on a pike ASAP.

Now you, just wait.

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Im already backing out wtf
I’m just trying to get a measurement of how long this truce should be, in effect

i mean most people are already saying ur wrong about prism ...

I know, but I don’t

feel

wrong
That list of people is the common denominator of this playerlist and the plist of Radio Buzz, and also the ones who I think stand the best chance to rectify that issue if it is one

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Although some people have already missed the boat on changing my mind at all, ever.

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gamma what are your thoughts about me scumreading you?

I can kinda get how you got there but I’m hoping some change of scenery can rectify that
Like, idr what your reasons for defending me were in Panic Room but if you say they resemble your reasons in this game then that sounds valid, it’s just I’m probably playing a way-off game to the point the only defenses you can think of are the “bad” ones

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma what are your thoughts about me scumreading you?

I can kinda get how you got there but I’m hoping some change of scenery can rectify that
Like, idr what your reasons for defending me were in Panic Room but if you say they resemble your reasons in this game then that sounds valid, it’s just I’m probably playing a way-off game to the point the only defenses you can think of are the “bad” ones

i kind of understand this, but i also feel like you should be more surprised by this? i don't think i've wrongly scumread you ever

It might have been a while ago but I do recall it maybe happening sometime before

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, who should I scum read right now?

Cephrir. I know Cakez also just sussed him, but he's clearly trying to bias people against me in an unnatural way.
VOTE: Cephrir
Cakez's last few posts don't feel too bad tbh. As for his question about why I pushed him when I did, I wanted to try to shake down someone who hadn't really been around and he was the best choice when factoring in time since last post and post count.

[Gamma Emerald]

taly 573 town as fuck

i still lean towards gamma being scum here. i think his pooky vote was nonsense, his tilting seemed a little scummy to me, i think several times he has thrown out votes in a weak attempt to distract from himself, and he's just acting strange overall, which makes him a good place for my vote right now as I have 0 other suspects. the fact that he's obviously losing the argument i don't care so much about -- i know that some players are just not as good at 1v1s and being one of those myself i can sympathize. but, i'm not sure i see a sense that he believes in the points he's making, which i do care about.

this stuff just looks SO forced
like I'm having strong gut vibes that Ceph is scum here that I don't usually get

I kinda wanna take some time to let things simmer wrt how I feel about Prism. Meanwhile:
VOTE: SirCakez
You feel notably absent right now. What’s going on?

hi
I was definitely not playing video games/watching tv and movies/reading books all day and putting off reading the last 15 pages
why poke me at this moment? feels v random

Taly, what do you think of Cakez rn? I feel like him being low-impact early is pretty strange in general but slightly scum-indicative based on recent meta

what meta?

Mostly the C9++ game

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Gamma, who should I scum read right now?

Cephrir. I know Cakez also just sussed him, but he's clearly trying to bias people against me in an unnatural way.
VOTE: Cephrir
Cakez's last few posts don't feel too bad tbh. As for his question about why I pushed him when I did, I wanted to try to shake down someone who hadn't really been around and he was the best choice when factoring in time since last post and post count.

is there anyone you won't throw a vote at to get attention anywhere but you

Taly
possibly infinity/skitter

plus, the cakez vote was to draw him out somewhat. I did think he was scummy for feeling similar to C9++, but his entrance felt decent enough

he's clearly trying to bias people against me in an unnatural way.

(prism voice)
since this is apparently so clear, i'm sure it will be easy for you to provide evidence of me doing this and explain what unnatural means

If someone wants to ask me that question in good faith I'll answer it then
I think that's really the problem I'm having this game, the only people who bother to engage with my points aren't doing so out of any genuine care for my logic

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Gamma if you become King who would you execute in the PL right now

Cephrir
Prism I can see just being history repeating itself where I'm clashing with someone being over-confident I'm scum, Cephrir meanwhile has taken steps beyond what should ever be considered good-faith attempts to get me eliminated.

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make a decision each time one is presented, unless otherwise noted.

Quote got kinda butchered but: no elim is not an option.

[Gamma Emerald]

I should really try to setup a scenario like what happened PYP HoS_S...

[Gamma Emerald]

Hiss

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a) who says I’ve stopped acting deliberately scummy, b) you might wanna rethink that line of logic lmao, if I’m pretending to be scum that means I’m town

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah Toog is worse than usual here like someone else said

if u want to push me u should probably stop agreeing with my posts

FUCK


why are you bussing all your buddies Ceph?

He did that in Radio Buzz fwiw

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I don’t think that’s really a strong reason to SR me
Circumstances are pretty different between that game and this one. That game I had more immediate direction because a) I was in the middle of adopting a more gut-reliant playstyle and b) the radio messages provided a point of “objective” analysis
Here I basically had nothing to anchor myself early, so I didn’t have a good idea of how I wanted to play

[Gamma Emerald]

Pooky and Ydrasse can be marked as TRs, Ydrasse in “not shooting” territory as well

[Gamma Emerald]

Taly
possibly infinity/skitter

Found these and would love to hear if there are any others+any justification for them

As for why I TR those 3, Taly I’ve noticed has felt flat as scum recently and her play this game is very not-flat
Infinity and skitter both seem to be showing the right thought processes I’d expect for them as town

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It was a mix of frustration and just doing what felt the most subversive atm

[Gamma Emerald]

And also, curious why I’m the only one getting grilled for wanting out eh

[Gamma Emerald]

HOW DARE YOU
VOTE: PRISM
THAT IS A FUCKING BRIDGE TOO FAR MY FORMER FRIEND
I’M TRYING TO GET BETTER ABOUT THESE THINGS. I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOU INSINUATING SOME SORT OF ILL INTENT IN MY MISTAKES.

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Vote Prism or vote me. Those are the only options I’ll accept atp.

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yea didnt he hard defend SS like Johnny Cochrane on Crack or something

I recall he pushed House and Roden, and flipped on S_S later

[Gamma Emerald]

If you didn't have ill intent, and you're trying to get better, that's great. Acknowledge the mistake and move on and I will accept that. I don't think reminding you makes you a victim.

yeah this

My problem is the way that post was written
Either of those responses in isolation were fine but the way they were mashed together set me off, it came off as trying to slander me by bringing up a reserved concern about my earlier comment (which also, I don’t think machismo really has much of a gender bias but w/e)
Like, there’s a better way to handle that imo, and that’s either bring that issue up when it’s relevant, or forget about it if it wasn’t as big a deal as Prism says. Now it feels impossible to look at her actions this game without being bothered by her bringing something up at the wrong place and the wrong time and making me feel like my very character was at stake for it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I apologize if you felt like I meant to use machismo to misrepresent your gender
But there were more responsible ways to broach that instead of posting 827 imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t worry about it: I’ll take care of it.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Gamma Emerald]

This discussion is making me think about my own play a bit
I feel like I’m in a similar situation to what happened in that Dead Silence game, so evidently there’s a common denominator that I need to cut out of my play post haste
Maybe it’s the tilt factor, I get headstrong in my play and it I guess alienates people. In Radio Buzz while I had confidence I don’t feel like it was unfounded, and that made it easier to work with people.

[Gamma Emerald]

Galron, let’s talk. What are some opinions you have on the game rn that you haven’t vocalized?

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UNVOTE:

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I apologize, I let myself get carried away and I made the one mistake I’ve been the most afraid of for almost a year now. I feel like a failure and a fucking idiot. I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry

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For so long I’ve been worried about going too far and alienating someone by pushing the wrong buttons, and this is my worst fears realized. I fucking hate myself for pushing Prism away and I don’t want to make this all about me but I’m basically a fucking mess atp

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I can't accept that, not when "what's done" is essentially me violating my values for the sake of my pride

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that makes sense @cephrir
what's the "right way" to apologize?

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<3 gamma, i'm sorry you're beating yourself up about this so much, that's not worth it

thank you
I don't know if and how I can forgive myself for this, but knowing you don't think the worst of me, it gives me hope?

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I tried messaging Prism in private but she wasn't having it. She thinks I have no right to act like a victim. While I do agree I was acting overly entitled to my feelings, I don't think morality is so black-and-white that just because I was in the wrong, I can't feel wounded for the way in which it was pointed out. I 100% get why Nancy Drew prefers people address concerns like that in private, because when it's in public, it

stings

. And that's in part because it's valid, I did basically make those comments ignoring the implications they had because I felt like knowing that I knew Prism's pronouns were female would negate that. There's no way around it,

I was in the wrong

. But I took being told that as a challenge, and I tried to fight back, rather than accept my shortcomings and be honest about them. That is also on me, really.

[Gamma Emerald]

this is not the place to be airing this out and it is definitely beyond the scope of a mafia game

Where should we go with it then, because I feel like taking it somewhere else maybe violates the ongoing game rules and there's probably no good place to discuss this rn
Anyway, I think I need to get a fresh start on multiple levels, so I'm scrubbing all my reads that aren't Taly/infinity/skitter/Ydrasse and starting over

[Gamma Emerald]

I already tried direct conversation and that went nowhere
At this point I'm past trying to fix my relations with Prism if she's not willing to hear me out, but maybe she'll read some of this later and it'll change her mind. I'm not going to try to force it though.

[Gamma Emerald]

also just one thing i wanna make sure, everyone's agreeing that the throne is most likely an execution of some kind?

There’s three schools of thought

• It’s a standard elimination
  
• The person voted in becomes King and executes a player
  
• The person voted in gets voted “guilty” or “not guilty” a la ToS elimination mechanics

Generally the prevailing play is treat it like 1), but make sure the player is leashed if it’s 2)

[Gamma Emerald]

also just one thing i wanna make sure, everyone's agreeing that the throne is most likely an execution of some kind?

There’s three schools of thought

1. It’s a standard elimination
   
2. The person voted in becomes King and executes a player
   
3. The person voted in gets voted “guilty” or “not guilty” a la ToS elimination mechanics

Generally the prevailing play is treat it like 1), but make sure the player is leashed if it’s 2)

EBWOP
That was a travesty

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m less certain than that but I do like his vibes rn

[Gamma Emerald]

aw, really? damn

fine, REVOKED

Wasn’t TENET one of those games where he broke that meta?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that’s fair.
Which btw I think on review Cabd was not the uber threat of the Dandelion Wine hydra, but Cephrir.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can die happy knowing I’m a member of the cute avi squad

[Gamma Emerald]

btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

i recommend reading for context, because there was some actual reasoning behind it before it got out of hand although i was skeptical on the scumcase myself

wut

[Gamma Emerald]

@ulyana

what's your take on my play this game atp?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

[Gamma Emerald]

wow skitter's already caught the entire scum team hooooooooraaaaay

and then some. i have too many scumreads i think >.>

i think the way shiki approaches the game is through the mechanics, and uses that to sort of view the entire game and how people interact with it. i've seen her do that several times, most recently/notably in radio buzz

i feel like she's approaching the game with the same mindset here

my problem with this is it feels like shiki's actual engagement with content that matters imo seems phenomenally low

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

then you're probably evil too because I think what I'm seeing should be plainly obvious if you even glance at ulyana's ISO or just pay attention to what she says as you read up
and this is a different brand of obviousness than what I was throwing around before, that's was like a bright flame to me, this is like a strong current of a river

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbf shiki was coming from an informed perspective with something to latch onto + more content (the callers)

I've asserted that was what helped me not flounder in that game
why is it valid for ulyana and not for me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbf shiki was coming from an informed perspective with something to latch onto + more content (the callers)

i could see this for sure

gamma actually can you go back and iso her in student council? i think there's quite a difference in her engagement level even from here, plus there's a proactiveness she has here that she didn't there

now I'm not sure

what

to think because she felt more alive in student council looking at her ISO again than she does this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbf shiki was coming from an informed perspective with something to latch onto + more content (the callers)

I've asserted that was what helped me not flounder in that game
why is it valid for ulyana and not for me?

because ulyana did not out some very not-good takes

that's exactly the problem

she has barely any actual takes this game at all

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

then you're probably evil too because I think what I'm seeing should be plainly obvious if you even glance at ulyana's ISO or just pay attention to what she says as you read up
and this is a different brand of obviousness than what I was throwing around before, that's was like a bright flame to me, this is like a strong current of a river

Probably evil

seems strong for someone simply disagreeing with a read of yours. Are any of Infinity, skitter, of Ydrasse probably evil for disagreeing?

no, those are just about locked in, and I don't like you trying to steer suspicion towards the reads I feel the best about rn
tbh it sucks that the people I trust most seem to be the ones that want me dead the most, because the only hope I have is they have mercy in their hearts and don't forsake me

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

still doing it... whoever the flavor of the page is ig

:clown_face_emoji:

that's was like a bright flame to me, this is like a strong current of a river

are you a fortune teller now too

maybe I am, idk

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh it sucks that the people I trust most seem to be the ones that want me dead the most, because the only hope I have is they have mercy in their hearts and don't forsake me

idk you don't seem to be a fan of me but i want you dead pretty bad

you don't feel like you mean it
taly/skitts/ydra do

[Gamma Emerald]

The strength of Gamma's reads feel very off. Dunnstral is probably evil for disagreeing with his ulyana read, but skitter, Ydrasse, and Infinity aren't because they're pretty much 'locked in' as town?

I'm finding this mental rock climbing hard to believe.

the issue isn't that dunn disagreed, it's that he interrupted his catch-up specifically to rebut me

that

implies ulterior motive I think

[Gamma Emerald]

whatever. Just eliminate me within the next hour or so so I can cry myself to sleep.

[Gamma Emerald]

blatant lies, seeing as ulyana was actually basically suspected by no one when I voiced that

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh it sucks that the people I trust most seem to be the ones that want me dead the most, because the only hope I have is they have mercy in their hearts and don't forsake me

idk you don't seem to be a fan of me but i want you dead pretty bad

you don't feel like you mean it
taly/skitts/ydra do

bruh.

like, 10 pages ago i was going above and beyond what could possibly be good faith in my massive effort to get you killed, according to you. a ridiculous comment that you've still never explained.

now i apparently don't care. make up your fucking mind

i'll give you a hint: it's neither. i'm rarely so convinced of a scumread this early

I could still explain why I felt that way, again specifying that I only care to if someone asked that I felt actually meant it. Maybe I missed it in the heat of the moment, and if I did I welcome that person to come forth as that would probably establish a measure of trust in them.

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

I agree with leashing him in some form.... everything after the "who" part is where you lost me.

like it kinda feels like gamma possibly pushing me right now to explain him eliminating me if kingmaker,

and the end goal of that is ... ?

[Gamma Emerald]

no, pretty sure your point has been that I've been goign where the wind blows with my expressed suspicions; that vote's existence is in blatant defiance of that idea.

[Gamma Emerald]

and the end goal of that is ... ?

? to have something to point to as reasoning for having eliminated me?

why do you think I eliminate you over someone more presently causing me problems if I'm scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

you are townreading those players

I'm not townreading cephrir
like, cmon.

[Gamma Emerald]

If Galron doesn't hammer soon I'm just going to self-hammer, because I'm not spending the night anxious about this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

If Galron doesn't hammer soon I'm just going to self-hammer, because I'm not spending the night anxious about this game.

You're already self-voting.

I distinctly recall voting ulyana since then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Only things I can think of would have direct scum involvement
For example, everyone in the town submits lists of all players from towniest to scummiest, then scum does something with those lists

[Gamma Emerald]

Trust these people until the end of time: Taly, Infinity, Skitter, Ydrasse
Good folks to keep around: Gypyx, Galron, Sircakez, Pooky
Could do with a touching-up: Saber, Toogeloo, Dwlee
Remove them from the premises: Cephrir, Dunnstral, Ulyana, Petapan

Since I’m not long for this world I may as well leave this as a parting gift.

[Gamma Emerald]

The scummiest thing about Gamma is the constant vote hopping
No committal to anything

You’ve played with me more than enough to know that’s not valid reason to SR me.

[Gamma Emerald]

its actually kind of wild people think "dude with 0 thread influence moving his vote around pointlessly = scummy"

You’re still voting me + you just said skitter found the team,

what

?

[Gamma Emerald]

this is the same ydra of that normal game and radio buzz

im rolling town lately and i cant stop

I was backreading to track votes between the last VC and ulyana+Dunnstral and noticed this
It’s a blatant lie but the fact that it’s a blatant lie is itself evidence that Ydrasse is town
Ydrasse as Bee in PYP had a serious case of scum fatigue; after I read that fact in the scum PT of that game Ydrasse shot up to Taly-level town because I saw none of those same warning signs from her in this game that I received in that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Trust these people until the end of time: Taly, Infinity, Skitter, Ydrasse
Good folks to keep around: Gypyx, Galron, Sircakez, Pooky
Could do with a touching-up: Saber, Toogeloo, Dwlee
Remove them from the premises: Cephrir, Dunnstral, Ulyana, Petapan

Since I’m not long for this world I may as well leave this as a parting gift.

I think this serves as an express declaration that yes, I have turned my thoughts around on the Gypyx slot somewhat. I also had pings early from Ydrasse but expressly turned that around at a markedly earlier point.
Also, I may not have shown it much in my posting but I was genuinely lost for a time, it just seemed vastly unproductive to make a comment about it rather than working to fix the underlying issues. I am certain I’d have people barking about how I’ve been making a scene about my lack of direction and I’m scum for it if I’d actually been more clear about how lost I’d been when I was struggling with that. So excuse me if I find your viewpoint rather uncharitable.

[Gamma Emerald]

That was @ Cephrir

[Gamma Emerald]

The main reason I haven’t hammered yet is because it feels like doing so is essentially forsaking the trust of everyone who has faith in me, especially my dear friend Infinity.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma if you become King who would you execute in the PL right now

Cephrir
Prism I can see just being history repeating itself where I'm clashing with someone being over-confident I'm scum,

Cephrir meanwhile has taken steps beyond what should ever be considered good-faith attempts to get me eliminate

d.

No offense but i feel like ur kinda just making stuff up to see uf u can get one of these votes to stick

~
I forgot to say this earlier - while infinity and dwlee are both independantly scummy i dont think they make ssense together

Oh hey this is a thing
One second.

[Gamma Emerald]

i think the more relevant thing is that gamma was mafia in this situation

This post was the main thing that made me read Cephrir’s push on me as overdone
There was valid points in the thing infinity brought up but the only takeaway Cephrir cared about was the one that made me look worse.
There’s probably other posts I can point to that weakly support this feeling but idc to hunt them down when I know the kicker is right here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cephrir?
petapan?

Ydrasse

SirCakez

skitter30
Infinity 324

Toogeloo

Galron

Dunnstral

Question mark means it's like okay to kill them but I'm leaning towards not

Anyone wanna pick a name from this list?

Your kill list has 1 more person from my top tiers than my bottom tiers, and two of the very bottom tier people you have listed are question marks
Not a great PoE imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I posted my reads; you can cross-reference that to see where I think good votes are
Anyone in the top two tiers I don’t want to eliminate today.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also you think my list has 3 scum in it... and there are 4 in the game, and you're not okay with it

okay

You also have all my top TRs that aren’t Taly, one of which I think is blatantly obvtown if you check meta I have made mention of (I think it’s the type of meta you’re actually inclined to go with)
Yeah I think my grievance is legitimate.

[Gamma Emerald]

Trust these people until the end of time: Taly, Infinity, Skitter, Ydrasse
Good folks to keep around: Gypyx, Galron, Sircakez, Pooky
Could do with a touching-up: Saber, Toogeloo, Dwlee
Remove them from the premises: Cephrir, Dunnstral, Ulyana, Petapan

Since I’m not long for this world I may as well leave this as a parting gift.

Okay so you think I need ulyana and saber in my Poe still? Why?

Ulyana’s actual game content is rather lacking
Saber I just don’t trust rn, it might be the fact she uses terminology that while I’m aware of its connection to the game it still feels remarkably stiff to use it.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s a tonal thing
The best way to actually ascribe motive to it would be that she’s hiding her subpar scum play behind a veneer of inscrutable flavor.
Do I believe that? Not particularly. But I don’t think I’m willing to trust someone whose biggest impact on me has been “she’s talking very much in line with the game’s flavor components”.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway just pick a name from there and I'll probably vote. If it's a question mark you'll need to give me processing time

Why “processing time”? And out of those names the ones I like best for scum are Cephrir and Dunnstral.
VOTE: Dunnstral
I’ll get things started.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is Dunnstral acceptable?

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I do think your recent content is alright
You’re definitely the weakest full SR I have it’s just I kinda am concerned you’re gonna pockit me again

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I feel like Dunnstral being like this tends to be a scumtell
He also scumtold by reacting to my Ulyana push way too fast

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I do think your recent content is alright
You’re definitely the weakest full SR I have it’s just I kinda am concerned you’re gonna pockit me again

lol

i feel like i'm nothing like that game but that was also an anonymous game where i was playing deliberately off-meta so it's probably moot

That game isn’t all there is my concern here. I could see you angling towards townreading me from a mile away, so I instantly went shields-up when it came to trusting you here. There’s definite room to change my mind but I think that’s best done through action vs. explanation.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yea this wagon on Dunnstral is unlikely to make him play but whatever

That’s not the point imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's behavior still doesn't make sense to me. He's calling his defender Infinity a 'dear friend', but then is strangely antagonistic to Dwlee who's also defending him.

I see skitter's point about it being counterproductive in the second case if he's paid actor, but..... I lost my train of thought and don't really know where I'm going with this. I'm probably confbiasing myself since I'm attributing erratic behavior to always be indicative of money, so never mind.

If I don't know someone well enough I get paranoid when they act familiar with me. It's a real problem.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma I feel like I know you well-ish

until I can reliably get your pronouns right I can't exactly say it goes both ways soz

[Gamma Emerald]

My Cephrir SR doesn’t have a strong meta basis tbh, it’s centered around his actions this game

[Gamma Emerald]

1186

[Gamma Emerald]

no you fucking weren't lmfao

[Gamma Emerald]

prism mentioning her read rate on gamma + gamma trying to claim his read on pooky was partly a meme + i realized the arguments i was using to defend gamma were similar to the ones i was using when i was his scumbuddy

i realized the arguments i was using to defend gamma were similar to the ones i was using when i was his scumbuddy

? why would this be a consideration for town!you?

seems kind of obvious?

seems kind of obvious?

? if town!infinity, why would she worry that arguments she is making were similar to arguments she made when she was mafia?

like if town she knows she is making the argument without knowledge of gamma's alignment in this case, right, so she'd now have realized that the argument she was making that she presumably believes in was similar to one she made that she did not believe in on account of being mafia so she stopped?

this does not make a lot of sense to me

i think the more relevant thing is that gamma was mafia in this situation

like, shiki's question had to do with inifinity's thought process, she didn't seem particularly interested in what it meant for me; you, however, instantly latched onto the underlying implication that because infinity was seeing stuff from my scum meta I had to be scum
that's not honest engagement imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma looks better but I wish he would engage with my points about him being scum. It feels like an admission of guilt to let my suspicion go unresolved since he townreads me with such confidence.

I didn't know how to engage it at the time
I'll try to do so now ig

[Gamma Emerald]

btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

Gamma's

posting towards

Prism

contributed but it's no longer the main thing that contributes to my scumread on him.

Spoiler: Taly's Aggro Going From 1 to 100

1.

It's the constant reactivity and image of giving in when there's pressure 375 411 and 414.

2.

The presumption of a truce despite that not aligning with anything

Prism's

mentioned 622 and 630

(this is something I've had exclusively scum-aligned players do to pacify me when I've 1v1'd them)

.

3.

Targeting

Pooky

for

agreeing

with his solve and

supporting it

275, 285, 288, and 290.

4.

The vote hopping 385 434 595 660 that are either based on an idea or suspicion another person voiced or doubling down on a scumread when prompted to.

5.

602 does not read like a townie who thinks they're TvTing because it's based on how so many other players decide to play.

Of course, most of this could be aggravated by

Prism V Gamma

, but I don't see this play come from frustrated-town

Gamma

. I've seen it more from caught

Gamma

-scum.

If I didn't want to still have proper conversations with SirCakez, Toogeloo, Pooky, you, Galron, Dunnstral, and Saber before EoD or fearful of yet another distracting 1v1:
I would have L2'd him by now.

But I honestly hope you don't read this entire post until you're well into catching up! It'd spoil the fruits of your untainted mind on the game.

1. I feel like the main source of my defeatism was feeling like I was getting SRed for what by all intents and purposes should register as my townplay.
   
2. The "truce" was meant as a kinda one-sided thing where I was just tuning Prism out so I could try to form reads on other players. My response in 630 is evidence of this, as I basically was saying "I don't care what you want, what I want is to actually form more reads than just people in the immediate vicinity". I did a similar thing in Xenoblade 2, actually.
   
3. I was kinda thinking back to Among Us where Pooky endlessly tunneled murdercat for inexplicable reasons. Obviously that was an ill-founded attempt to corner-cut seeing as when I went to explain my read I actually gave thought-out reasons to the SRs Pooky gave, so it wasn't at all a contrast to how he played in Among Us.
   
4. 385 was kinda a vote fueled by salt from past games that I was still feeling. 434 was kinda just OMGUS logic. 595 was a deliberate choice where I mathematically determined cakez felt the most removed from the game, and that general idea plus me feeling like he's one of the players I have an easier time solving compelled me to push him to generate content, like I did to Titus in Chrono Trigger Chronicles. 660 was a combo "I suspect this person more" and "I suspect my current vote less than I did" post, which I feel like I make somewhat often as town and it frequently pings people for no good reason imo. I think it makes sense to include that thought process in the way I do. Would it be better if I included an explicit unvote alongside the vote?
   Idk how well this actually covers the concern express for all the votes overall, but I feel like some of them are more defensible than others. My Cakez vote I definitely think was a fair shake in the moment.
   
5. idk how else I can present this tbh, I had a gut feeling I was tilting beyond reason but didn't want to just drop my line of thinking, and so I made the declaration that if someone who I felt like had knowledge of my situation felt like I was going off the deep end with my logic, I'd drop the Prism SR until I had a better picture of the game overall, likely including a few flips.

So like, overall, the issue seems to be your scope of my meta is limited and giving you a perspective that unfortunately makes my play look worse than it should this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

i'll concede that my intentions were unclear there, as much as gamma is not making me want to reconsider at all.

it comes nowhere close to justifying 672 even so, so i don't think i super care

That's a fair response kinda, but if one of us doesn't give then the tension never fades
And like, 672

was

a bit embellished, so maybe that counts for something

[Gamma Emerald]

That doesn’t happen unless he’s directly coached from what I know
And I don’t think his scumteam would see him coming into a slot that was rather widely TRed and push him to generate more content, they’d probably let him settle in on his own

[Gamma Emerald]

My thoughts on the wagon are it seems mostly backed by those in my upper tiers, so that’s a good sign
My opinion of Galron himself is that he kinda has started to feel like he did in Radio Buzz but I lack a hard instance of where I’m getting that feeling, it’s just there. However, I also vaguely TRed scum Galron in mini 2234 so I probably just don’t know him well enough to claim actual accuracy at reading him.
So like, I don’t feel like I personally want to be a part of the wagon, but I’m not stopping others from pursuing the Galron elim if that’s what they think will flip scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think Pooky was one of the ones directly involved in coaching Gypyx in TENET

[Gamma Emerald]

I tend to be pragmatic about wagoning, and my survivalism varies from game to game and moment to moment. This game my desire to survive is rather low atp in part because I actually managed to put out a semi-reasonable feeling solve (which the lack of one is typically why I’ll fight to stay alive, as I think being less set on a certain viewpoint early allows me to approach the later stages of a game with a clearer head).
There’s also the fact that skitter and Ydrasse, the two people on me I was probably the most keenly aware of via my earlier feelings of sadness at being voted by my TRs (I had a line going through my head during that time about “People That You Like Want to See You Suffer”, and I recently managed to pinpoint that it was an episode title from Survivor) moved to Galron, so I think they at least have good intentions even if I feel skeptical about Galron’s odds of flipping scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean
Gamma has been vote hopping like crazy all game
what is the motivation to stop doing it now?

I dunno

that's why it's weird af.

he was so desperate to vote any1 but himself

but when an actual viable counterwagon shows up.

he's like finding some weird as f excuses to stay off the wagon.

Maybe

You have the entirely wrong concept of what I was doing with my vote hopping.

I wasn’t solely wagon shopping, I was doing a number of things. Maybe read my response to Taly’s case if you haven’t?

[Gamma Emerald]

ig means “I guess”, at least that’s how so use it

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s this about conducting electricity

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrmph. The flavor doesn’t mention anything about conducting electricity though. Why’s that a sticking point for you?

[Gamma Emerald]

For a solid chunk of time from mid-D1 to some time D3 you were solid town for me, because a couple of the things you posted felt towny for kinda oddball reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrmph. The flavor doesn’t mention anything about conducting electricity though. Why’s that a sticking point for you?

Because metal chairs with restraints make me think electric chair. So I double checked to make sure iron conducts electricity, and wiki says it does.

meh
I don’t make that same immediate association, probably because of Mysterious Benedict Society and the Whisperer

And if it's not a chair that you wouldn't want to sit in, why would there be restraints? Unless you're in to that sort of thing I guess.

To ensure the person doesn’t run from whatever fate awaits them
It could be that the death is by lethal injection.

[Gamma Emerald]

For a solid chunk of time from mid-D1 to some time D3 you were solid town for me, because a couple of the things you posted felt towny for kinda oddball reasons

I was giving town reads that game, which is different from this one. I actually had some decent town reads Day 1 in RB, but this game, I got Taly and ??? I actually think you may be town, which is not my default read on you because you've fooled me so many times. But you seem vulnerable here, and that isn't what I usually see from you, which kind of makes me think your'e town.

I only recall the one georgebailey scumgame against you?

[Gamma Emerald]

For a solid chunk of time from mid-D1 to some time D3 you were solid town for me, because a couple of the things you posted felt towny for kinda oddball reasons

I was giving town reads that game, which is different from this one. I actually had some decent town reads Day 1 in RB, but this game, I got Taly and ??? I actually think you may be town, which is not my default read on you because you've fooled me so many times. But you seem vulnerable here, and that isn't what I usually see from you, which kind of makes me think your'e town.

I only recall the one georgebailey scumgame against you?

I don't recall. That one made an impression to be sure though because I was certain they wouldn't have two scum backup neighbors. I think there have been others under aliases though. I'm not real sure about that though.

That wasn’t exactly me tricking you then, that was the setup. And any aliases would have to be yours as I’ve only been getting into using alts more recently and none of them have been in a game with you yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

mb this chair actually does something good and he doesnt want galron to sit on it

lol

This is starting to feel like Brer Rabbit.

whats brer rabbit

Don't throw me into the briar patch territory.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
Doesn’t change what I posted; if you think I’m playing to get into the chair because there’s some benefit to it then you should be properly litigating that suspicion. The “you” in that post is variable.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma had an opportunity to vote himself into the chair though.

So the theory that they are playing to get into the chair is probably incorrect regardless (though that doesn't necessarily make him town because the chair isn't necessarily or even likely to be good)

I hate this from Dunnstral

100 points for anyone who can figure out why I hate this

Probably because the benefit to the chair would have to be direct, as in “you get immunity from execution for a time”, for me to as scum be willing to put myself into it. If it’s a kingmaker effect, that’s not immunity from future votes. And you get scrutinized if you take a poor shot. Just because it’s not an elimination doesn’t mean it’s good to be put in the hot seat.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ulyana

Interesting choice, why do you think she’s scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

i think gamma is looking quite a lot better post prism-tilt-fight thing tbh

Meh, I still think he has deep pockets. His observations have been trending upwards but it's hard to let go of all the stuff that's already there.

That feels fair but I’ve spoken on some of the existing concerns brought up against me. Do you mind taking a look at those?

[Gamma Emerald]

like let's say this chair thing is something good.

and Gamma is trying to get into the chair because he's a stagehand and he knows the chair is good.[Theory]

Dunnstral is saying the theory is incorrect because Gamma could've just voted himself into the chair but Gamma didn't - hence he can't be a stagehand who wants to get into the chair. [Theory is wrong]

This completely ignores the fact that if Gamma were to vote himself into the chair, and it was something good, Gamma would look hella susp for it, aka the rest of the game when maybe we get a chance to kill him.

So it's not as simple as Dunnstral is making it.

Dunnstral is like

good

at mech, so he should recognize this, but he simplifies it.

That feels informed to me.

Also he ignored Gamma's vote on him completely and chooses to comment on this part without really commenting on actual relevant shit.

He was doing the AtE thing and I assume he could have slipped in a self vote then. He said he wanted to be hammered within the hour.

I wasn’t saying that because I had any bright ideas about the chair. I was like “this looks just about decided, I don’t want to spend the night worrying about this game if that’s legit the case”. Self-hammering at that juncture was taking a “maybe” and turning it into a “definitely” that

it didn’t have to be

. This also shows itself in how I brought up that the people who believed in me were my anchors.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

can everyone just maybe talk to me instead of this

like

yeah

Okay. I don’t like how indecisive the particulars of your read on me are. You are saying I MAY be doing these things and it makes me scum. That doesn’t sit well with me. You can say I was testing the waters, that’s a legit thing I could see being mentioned. But being like “well maybe he was hoping to set up for a shot on me” is bad. Maybe there’s not a tangible difference?

[Gamma Emerald]

shiki isn't usually this confident/even confrontational as scum

That’s the thing, her read on me is

not confrontational

, and I’m picking up on that. These things of “maybe” and “possibly” feel engineered to not step on people’s toes.
Although I’m having trouble telling what her post responding to me is saying

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re holding back on taking a hard stance on my actions because you don’t want to set me (or someone else, but likely me) off against you
That’s the connection I see between your word choice and the idea that you’re being non-confrontational
I can look over other games and see how often you use those words if that’s what you’re saying by bringing up the meta though

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
What about my original issue, that your game-related content was conspicuously missing? I don’t want to make a big deal about this, but at that time your last posts @me were basically saying “I think you’re a bad person IRL”. So I will admit I’m taking that personally but I think it is a factor in what I’m seeing, as you were more focused on the more personal aspect of the game than solving.
PEdit: okay I’m kinda glad you addressed some of my concerns before I did, it shows you’re probably genuinely trying to work this out.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can see both of those perspectives
Consider ulyana bumped up at least one level, maybe two, in my reads

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel like Galron is the best wagon choice rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Dunnstral has been more plainly scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think scum are involved with the Galron wagon, Saber?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think scum are involved with the Galron wagon, Saber?

Most likely. I think you're a stagehand and the Galron wagon is your buddies attempt to save you. Whether they're instigating it (skitter) or taking advantage of it (petapan amongst others) I'm unsure of though.

Or it's Galron and I'm wrong on you but that can't be the case because I'm incapable of being wrong.

I'm not inclined to feel good about this stance when half of the Galron wagon are my top TRs, and also the exact same TRs you tried to fuck with before

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

then you're probably evil too because I think what I'm seeing should be plainly obvious if you even glance at ulyana's ISO or just pay attention to what she says as you read up
and this is a different brand of obviousness than what I was throwing around before, that's was like a bright flame to me, this is like a strong current of a river

Probably evil

seems strong for someone simply disagreeing with a read of yours. Are any of Infinity, skitter, of Ydrasse probably evil for disagreeing?

The strength of Gamma's reads feel very off. Dunnstral is probably evil for disagreeing with his ulyana read, but skitter, Ydrasse, and Infinity aren't because they're pretty much 'locked in' as town?

I'm finding this mental rock climbing hard to believe.

like, this is bullshit loaded questioning at its finest

also, I was looking for a post someone else made that explained my opinion rather well and I ended up with renewed strength in my Dunn SR so I'd really appreciate if we could yeet him

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think scum are involved with the Galron wagon, Saber?

Most likely. I think you're a stagehand and the Galron wagon is your buddies attempt to save you. Whether they're instigating it (skitter) or taking advantage of it (petapan amongst others) I'm unsure of though.

Or it's Galron and I'm wrong on you but that can't be the case because I'm incapable of being wrong.

I'm not inclined to feel good about this stance when half of the Galron wagon are my top TRs, and also the exact same TRs you tried to fuck with before

Interesting that that's the reason you dislike the stance and not because you're town.

I mean, that's obvious, as well as something that I can only present as a personal reason why you're wrong. Meanwhile, you seem to have it out for my townblock, and that's something that I feel I can actively prosecute.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Galron
I still think this is a misyeet but it's pretty clearly locked between us two here.

[Gamma Emerald]

why do you think galron is an alt :/

[Gamma Emerald]

Why not.

VOTE: Gamma

HMMMMM

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re HIGH if you don’t think SOMETHING hinky is going on with Galron. The timing of his vote on me makes ZERO sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re HIGH if you don’t think SOMETHING hinky is going on with Galron. The timing of his vote on me makes ZERO sense.

???

you voted for galron two pages ago while saying you thought he was town

That was directly after Pooky said it was between me and Galron. Galron meanwhile continued to call me town with minimal doubt, until the momentum was at a critical point where he couldn’t not vote me.

[Gamma Emerald]

every1 needs to stop wasting time and just vote one of galron/gamma

if you think galron/gamma are T/T then make your case

lets get going

VOTE: Galron
I still think this is a misyeet but it's pretty clearly locked between us two here.

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be. But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense. Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

Look at this and then look at what Galron has posted more recently. I don’t see any reason for his view of the game to have shifted besides pure survival instinct, in which case why the fuck didn’t he shift sooner? It’s because he’s scum who was hoping his refusal to act would get him off the hook.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, what Pooky said.

I refuse to believe you somehow missed Pooky saying that bit before. Your posting felt like you knew he was putting the vote between us. You. Are. SCUM!

[Gamma Emerald]

every1 needs to stop wasting time and just vote one of galron/gamma

if you think galron/gamma are T/T then make your case

lets get going

VOTE: Galron
I still think this is a misyeet but it's pretty clearly locked between us two here.

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be. But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense. Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

Look at this and then look at what Galron has posted more recently. I don’t see any reason for his view of the game to have shifted besides pure survival instinct, in which case why the fuck didn’t he shift sooner? It’s because he’s scum who was hoping his refusal to act would get him off the hook.

VOTE: Galron
I still think this is a misyeet but it's pretty clearly locked between us two here.

How are these two plays different again?

I stood by my read. Galron tried to slither out of TRing me.

[Gamma Emerald]

in which case why the fuck didn’t he shift sooner?

neither of you did at what seemed like the expected time as others have pointed out

If you mean the Radio Buzz comparison that’s probably a crock of shit anyway. Pretty sure that was tried in PYP when I was a dueling wagon with scum!Enchant, and I was TOWN.

[Gamma Emerald]

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be. But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense. Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

If Gamma's scum, then good on everyone for spotting it so quickly. Or it could be that Gamma's town, and people were just anxious to get Event 1 out of the way. Or it could be something else. Who knows. But I've never been in a large game where the first wagon sailed through. And bonus, there's scum at the end. That doesn't make sense to me.

Okay maybe I tilted at the first sentence of the second post because while that feels way off from thinking it’s more likely that I’m town, the back half of it seems in line with that philosophy.
I still think if Galron meant about voting me solely because it was between me and him he should have voted closer to when I voted him though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Me+Toog+Pooky+Galron(?)
That’s 4/9 for Dunnstral I think