Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mandelbrot]

Reading this still so y'all know I'm not silent. Not feeling super well but I'm keeping up.

Will try and sleep and then make a Readlist that's better but going purely off of the people on the failed raid atm... I'm not including myself, and I trust Sakura and Romance's claims. So here's my elim order preference from the other 5.

1: TC (still doubt the weird posts but can compromise)
2: Bell (least townie of the rest)
3: Tictac
4: Dwlee
5: Cheeks

Do we all think this list is 5/5 town?

Absolutely not.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I think we should just put the same names in the raid and see if it fails or not.
I can be the control if someone in the raid died. I guess that would be Elsa.
So yeah, just replace me with Elsa and then we'll see if there's any scum in there.

Elsa wasn't in yesterday's raid.

He was dead.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Mandel, am I scum?

Check your role pm.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

We should NOT fail today's raid.

There are reasons aside from the bonus to pass raids.

I don't want the counter going up.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I don't want the counter going up.

What will you do when there's 8 players left and scum starts failing raids daily
Because that WILL happen.

Why do you think I want it kept low?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Mandel, am I scum?

Check your role pm.

- House

Yeah, if you don't know I'm town by now given my interactions with Cakez and Elsa, then you're probably just scum hoping no one will notice.

Totes.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I don't want the counter going up.

What will you do when there's 8 players left and scum starts failing raids daily
Because that WILL happen.

Why do you think I want it kept low?

- House

what's worse those penalties or scum refilling their strongman and whatever else they have shots.

Where's the problem if there are no scum on the raid?

I mean, if you're dead set on this path, I'll leave the raid. Just thought we might want mastina to get a recharge.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

If mastina confirms TC is inno then I'd be looking at dwlee/Mandel again given their push towards a TC lim rather than allowing mastina to unjanitor.
~C

Mandel never pushed TC? I thought they pushed tictac

I probably did, back when I was moonlogicking mastina being scum using scum's ability to pass/fail raids and role knowledge for janitored kills that the Janitor gets.

If you think about it, she's literally claiming scum power. It's enough to make a body paranoid.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Can mastina pass the raid by herself with her role?

That's her first claimed ability.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Where's the problem if there are no scum on the raid?

I mean, if you're dead set on this path, I'll leave the raid. Just thought we might want mastina to get a recharge.

- House

Can you guarantee 0 scum in the raid?

Sure. I'll tell my buddies to sit this one out.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Mandelbrot (House + Yume)
Romance
Sakura Hana
Bell
Toogeloo
mastina
dwlee99
tictac

I think this is an all town raid composition. If it actually fails, I'd turbolim tictac.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Lol.

I'm down for whatever town wants to do.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Can mastina pass the raid by herself with her role?

That's her first claimed ability.

- House

I mean if the raid was just mastina and no one else

Her ability is already spent.

That's why she needs the fresh charge.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Even if we dont massclaim, mastina should 100% full claim today.

Agreed, her role has served its purpose.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I probably did, back when I was moonlogicking mastina being scum using scum's ability to pass/fail raids and role knowledge for janitored kills that the Janitor gets.

If you think about it, she's literally claiming scum power. It's enough to make a body paranoid.

I concur I had these thoughts. I'm not over them either since we were promised that mastina's ability would make H1/H2's flip public, and we literally took two people out of discussion over it.

I also do not think we should be failing this raid. I very much would prefer scum never gain the ability to multi-task, regardless of their roles.

My opinions for the raid makeup are:
Romance
Sakura Hana
Bell
Mastina
Qrow and Raven
---
dwlee99
Save The Dragons

Below the line I have the less confidence, but still stronger town reads than the rest of the PList. 8th slot I'd prefer myself, but reaching the bottom of the barrel for PoE, I'm thinking Tomorrow Corporation might be a possibility of safe choice too.

I don't think a mass claim is necessary. We currently have 4 townies for every 1 scum.

So you can understand where I'm paranoid about mastina, but don't want me on the raid?

If I'm scum, why would I be paranoid of mastina? Why would I make her claimed roles being scum abilities even higher visibility?

I don't get your logic.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

So you can understand where I'm paranoid about mastina, but don't want me on the raid?

If I'm scum, why would I be paranoid of mastina? Why would I make her claimed roles being scum abilities even higher visibility?

I don't get your logic.

I have been flip flopping on you all day while I was at work. I still feel extremely suspicious of how you fought tooth and nail about Elsa being town yesterday, and then joined the wagon after I outed that he had to be a VT. I put you in my hero solve, but those are generally inaccurate.

I concur that I had those thoughts, but that doesn't mean we are on the same page or buddies. Tin foil hat club is not a thing .

Did you space my explanation on that?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Did you space my explanation on that?

No, from what I gathered, you thought he was a PR or something, and you felt misled by it. I mean, the moment I shot down any PR possibility from that character, it would need to be abandoned.

I'm not hard-licking you as scum, but I can't remove you from my PoE either. Anyone not on my raid list probably has good reason not to be there.

Not just a PR.

Specifically, that play had Masonprints all around it.

Those 2 never showed any doubts about each other.
MB fought me over kicking Elsa out of the raid.
MB said Elsa "never gets limmed".
Elsa was cool with MB taking his spot.

Everything screamed Mason buddies.

So, I backed off.

Then, you outed Elsa as VT at best & he claimed VT.

So, I voted him.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Currently the one thing giving me pause about MB is:

2) I bus my buddy Elsa there. What do I gain from being so certain he's town. Literally nothing but a buttload of scum reads when he flips red. Absolutely wouldn't do that.

After that's exactly what happens, it's an easy statement to make.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm with Toog on sorting the raid first, though.

[Mandelbrot]

When he's right, he's right.

[Mandelbrot]

MB or RC is where I want the lim to end today.

I'm good with voting either one, when it's time to build a wagon.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

StD, Dwlee, Mandelbrot is my legacy.
~C

Your red flip will make this grandstanding pointless.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I can flip Toog's read of me with one word.

A taru farewell.

Should that time come.

[Mandelbrot]

Cool mastina. Please full claim.

+1

There's no utility in hiding your flavor. There's no remaining mystique to your utility to hide behind.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

If mastina turns out to not be town, I'm thinking she's more likely to be solo scum than group scum.

It would explain the abilities she has, and why she can legitimately hunt scum.

I'm not advocating for her elimination based on unfounded suspicion. Just a possibility to keep in mind.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Full claim please, mastina.

[Mandelbrot]

I think she has 300 posts of catch up until she is back with us

She can see current posts when her post... posts.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Funny how every time we want something concrete from mastina, up comes another mysterious aspect to her power role.

Yet, nothing has actually been confirmed.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Even if we dont massclaim, mastina should 100% full claim today.

Frankly?

No.

If you think I'm scum by play go ahead and try your damned best to make a case of me being scum by play.

Because this is literally one of THE towniest games I've ever had and I'm MILES outside my scumrange and was THE biggest pusher for Elsa being scum (we would never have gotten an Elsa elimination if I hadn't been as avid as I was for us to not eliminate TC/tictac because the wagons on them would've always been bigger if not for me) and even a pusher of SirCakez being scum before the guilty.

If the entirety of your paranoia is based on me not fullclaiming my role?

Fuck

that.

Being against Elsa doesn't mean you can't be solo scum.

Solo scum tends to be pretty powerful to make up for their lack of buddies.

I remember a game with eyestott as a Survivor that town-sided as solo scum.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Right? It's like she's angling to have almost as much sway over the events of the game as the moderator.

Well, from a

certain

point of view...I do.

But obviously I've no reason to explain that.
(It's a technicality, more trivia than anything else.)

This post has solo scum all over it.

Town doesn't get that much power over a game.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Right? It's like she's angling to have almost as much sway over the events of the game as the moderator.

Well, from a

certain

point of view...I do.

But obviously I've no reason to explain that.
(It's a technicality, more trivia than anything else.)

This post has solo scum all over it.

Town doesn't get that much power over a game.

- House

Not in one fucking slot.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'll give you a hint as to my flavor though; I'm a protagonist. Being the protagonist I am, if I ever did fullclaim I'd probably be conftown'd on the spot for it. Y'all would be rather enlightened from the experience.

... fine

[Mandelbrot]

So...you want to...serial killer hunt now?

SK isn't the only 3P.

I even mentioned a non-sk 3p earlier.

[Mandelbrot]

There is no serial killer with the ammount of kills per night we've had so far.
More importantly if there WAS a serial killer i'd been dead ages ago.

Yeah, idk why she even jumped to that conclusion.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Speaking of 3P at times i feel like dwlee's an alignment whose entire purpose is to eliminate AA9.
Dunno what they are called nowadays that the L word is banned.

According to a recent pm, Eliminator.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I use SK to refer to any malevolent 3p.
You said I could be 'solo scum'--a term for malevolent 3p.

I use scum to refer to any non-town faction.

Malevolent or neutral.

Which you should have figured out when I brought up survivor.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Anyway, imma stay off the raid, i dont wanna risk another strongman shot, if you guys want to risk it fine, i doubt scum is gonna fail it if the strongman is in it anyway.
But with people being uncooperative with the mass claim so we can lock people to their claims while toog is alive to confirm them, i dont wanna risk it.

Count me in.

Or rather, out.

VOTE: LEAVE RAID

- House

[Mandelbrot]

If you tell me your character name, I'll confirm whether your role seems credible. There are maybe 2 characters I can think of with your role.

@mastina

Just curious... did you pick up what I was laying down, earlier?

I'd guess not, unless you're also familiar with FFXI.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

And yes, I also played FFXI for about 6 years. Not quite as long as XIV, but I know to what you are referring.

XI went to shit after Enix bought out Square.

RotZ was the glory days.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

There is a character named Tataru in FFXIV, a lalafell, though her name is akin to the Tarutaru race in XI. And yes, I am familiar with Tataru.

Why in the world would you...

Nevermind.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Tarutaru NPC's tend to say "tataru!" as goodbye during the storyline/side quests.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

You basically advertised it yourself anyways. Taru is not a very subtle hint lol.

It is if these numbskulls can't design a passable fake claim.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I use SK to refer to any malevolent 3p.
You said I could be 'solo scum'--a term for malevolent 3p.

I use scum to refer to any non-town faction.

Malevolent or neutral.

Which you should have figured out when I brought up survivor.

And you're

still

deflecting from my point:

But this is still a deflection from my point:

If mastina turns out to not be town, I'm thinking she's more likely to be solo scum than group scum.

I'm not advocating for her elimination based on unfounded suspicion. Just a possibility to keep in mind.

So...you want to...serial killer hunt now?

Hmm.

Wonder which faction benefits from hunting 3ps?

Wasn't it YOU, House, who said as much? (Could be mistaken but I seem to distinctly recall in a prior game you being very explicit that 3p hunting is a scumtell.)

Which faction has more incentive to hunt for 3ps?

Is it the town, when we know for a fact that there's still scum left in the game? At least two, and almost assuredly three?

I think not.

I don't give a fuck about your loaded question.

How about that shit, mastina?

I'll tell you right now, you're never shaking my 3p read now that you've resorted to this bullshit, because now it's transparent how threatened you are about me bringing it up.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'll give you a hint as to my flavor though; I'm a protagonist. Being the protagonist I am, if I ever did fullclaim I'd probably be conftown'd on the spot for it. Y'all would be rather enlightened from the experience.

... fine

Like, I even backed off.

You had an opportunity to sit down and shut up.

But you just couldn't do it. I intimidated you by bringing up 3P, and you couldn't even tell when I let it go.

So, now it's back to stay.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Scum worries about sk because the sk is kill power that can affect them.

I never accused you of being sk.

Survivor is 3P scum with no kp.

I don't suffer then to live in my games, either.

If it's red, it's dead.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

ANY NON-TOWN PARTY IS SCUM, SCUM.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Survivor all pissy about being outed.

[Mandelbrot]

So for those not in the know, if mastina is claiming what I think she is claiming...

The Warrior of Light is the Player Avatar in FFXIV.

Sounds like fine flavor for 3P.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

All the NPC's have their specific agendas.

The player character does whatever benefits them.

Sounds like 3p to me.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

You brought something up that you had no reason to bring up in the first place.

Confession, it is good for the soul.

Not so good for the body, though.

VOTE: mastina

[Mandelbrot]

[Mandelbrot]

Meh... Not really. I mean, yeah, if the player doesn't want to play through the story. I think the nagging at the back of brain is would the WoL actually be in this game? FFXIV does have a generic WoL that is used in cinematics for the title screen and launch promos, and to be fair, the WoL is the primary driving force of the story since it's, well, the player. Not either of the names I would have guessed mastina to pick, and she hasn't confirmed it either, but technically plausible since if there is any one character in the game that would actually succeed in raiding, it would be the player lol.

You're not following.

All the NPC's, good and evil, have a set script. Things they HAVE TO DO.

The warrior of light is unique in that they don't HAVE to do ANYTHING.

The player can just spend their entire lives killing lv1 mobs outside the starting city, if they wish.

The player is the quintessential third party in FFXIV lore.

[Mandelbrot]

Honestly, I'm willing to just leave that all alone for now. I'm more than happy to Elim some easy PoEs today in either Wheme, ArcAngel, Mystic Bears, those kind of slots.

Never say I'm not a team player.

VOTE: AA9

- House

[Mandelbrot]

That everyone would be a Warrior of Light, just with their jobs/classes/etc. being different between them, since I know that you can have different jobs/classes/etc. that serve various different functions.

I would totally play a Job System FF Mafia game lol.

Seriously, don't mess with my FF knowledge. I have been a fan since I played the first Final Fantasy on my NES back on Christmas Day in 1987.

What did you think of Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest?

[Mandelbrot]

That everyone would be a Warrior of Light, just with their jobs/classes/etc. being different between them, since I know that you can have different jobs/classes/etc. that serve various different functions.

I would totally play a Job System FF Mafia game lol.

Seriously, don't mess with my FF knowledge. I have been a fan since I played the first Final Fantasy on my NES back on Christmas Day in 1987.

What did you think of Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest?

Story is pretty good, actually. Obviously an easy game though, almost impossible to struggle on it since it was designed to gain interest in RPGs.

Pretty sure it was designed for younger children, but I still enjoyed it quite a bit.

So difficult to find people that have ever heard of it, let alone played it.

Nice to meet a kinsman.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm so much of a FF fan, I legally changed my first name to that of one of the characters in FF6 in 2006, and I named my daughter after a character from FF12.

I'm more of a FF purist, in that I love all the Squaresoft titles, but believe the Enix developments are bastardizations of the good name of Final Fantasy.

Just like at the VII Remake. Case closed.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm so much of a FF fan, I legally changed my first name to that of one of the characters in FF6 in 2006, and I named my daughter after a character from FF12.

I'm more of a FF purist, in that I love all the Squaresoft titles, but believe the Enix developments are bastardizations of the good name of Final Fantasy.

Just look* at the VII Remake. Case closed.

- House

EBWOP

[Mandelbrot]

Well glad we got that paranoia out of the way finally.

It just sucks that she's literally confirmed 3p.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

The vote on Massy makes zero fucking sense. If he thought she was scum, sure but WTF at elimming survivor. Last time I was survivor, I got fucking run up day 1 and what the actual shit. Survivor is pro town if anything. Like wtf so what if its 3p. Its PRO TOWN.

Lies.

Survivor counts AGAINST town's majority.

If it's red, it's dead.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Btw, not pleased by Mandelbrot going ham about mastina being 3P, I trust the flavor claim, and I don’t think Warrior of Light would be a bad 3P for town.

No such thing as "not a bad 3p".

Anything that isn't green counts against town's majority.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Romance
mastina
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears
Elsa Jay
RealCheeks
Toogeloo
Bell

This was the first raid, im 90% sure the scum strongman was in it. If we eliminate EJ who is known to not be, and mastina who is also obviously not the strongman now we get

Romance
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears
RealCheeks
Toogeloo
Bell

If we eliminate my townreads from it, we get:

Mystic Bears
RealCheeks

I dont want either of those 2 near today's raid or i want it to fail.

I so +1 this post.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm going to end up in my usual pit of "Ooo 3P can help us!" and then getting stung aren't I...?

-F

3P is gonna do whatever is in their best interest to survive, because alliances are unreliable.

That's why I don't bother trusting them. Ever.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

The vote on Massy makes zero fucking sense. If he thought she was scum, sure but WTF at elimming survivor. Last time I was survivor, I got fucking run up day 1 and what the actual shit. Survivor is pro town if anything. Like wtf so what if its 3p. Its PRO TOWN.

Lies.

Survivor counts AGAINST town's majority.

If it's red, it's dead.

- House

Btw, not pleased by Mandelbrot going ham about mastina being 3P, I trust the flavor claim, and I don’t think Warrior of Light would be a bad 3P for town.

No such thing as "not a bad 3p".

Anything that isn't green counts against town's majority.

- House

When did Mastina claim 3P because I clearly missed it?

~confused Raven

Flavor outed her. Already explained.

I also don't wait for group scum to give a full confession before I eliminate them.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Btw, not pleased by Mandelbrot going ham about mastina being 3P, I trust the flavor claim, and I don’t think Warrior of Light would be a bad 3P for town.

No such thing as "not a bad 3p".

Anything that isn't green counts against town's majority.

- House

As a member of a benevolent 3p in that one game, Yume head disagrees with this

- Steven

[Mandelbrot]

UNVOTE:

[Mandelbrot]

Beware scum, because Steven is back!

- Steven

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: JOIN RAID

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: Mystic Bears

This can just die today.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Also toogeloo dont guess at my role in the thread. Dont do it.
I know I already said too much but dont do it.

If you say anything about it, I take it as a scum claim. Straight up.

Oh noez, scum is threatening Toog with a scumread.

Oh noez!

- House

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: Mystic Bears

This can just die today.

- House

This is such a disgusting vote
VOTE: Mandelbrot

You're not wanted on the raid.

You refuse to cooperate with town.

You clearly have an agenda.

Leave the fucking raid or die. I don't care which.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Also toogeloo dont guess at my role in the thread. Dont do it.
I know I already said too much but dont do it.

If you say anything about it, I take it as a scum claim. Straight up.

Oh noez, scum is threatening Toog with a scumread.

Oh noez!

- House

Gross. You're saying this while saying survivor is bad for town. Who's the scum here.

The player that refuses to cooperate with town because it works against their super-sekrit agenda, of course.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Get off the raid.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Get off the raid.

- House

No.

*shrug*

Then you can die.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Why'd you go silent huh? Did you get worried about looking scummy as fuck by pushing me despite my literal obvious as fuck softs?

Obviously not.

Flail moar.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

mb is probably town here

Letting one player flaunt demands to stay off the raid opens the door for scum to ignore them.

- House.

[Mandelbrot]

Why'd you go silent huh? Did you get worried about looking scummy as fuck by pushing me despite my literal obvious as fuck softs?

Obviously not.

Flail moar.

- House

Is the only adjective you know how to use to push town mislims flail lol.

ISO me
Ctrl-F "flail"

Congratulations, your obvious lie is outed.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

If it isnt obvious if you're town i dont care how OP your ability is, not worth the risk for someone that has a high chance of being the scum strongman.

[Mandelbrot]

I will only not lim you if you're off the raid because then i should just find the roleblocker instead.

That's exactly my stance.

As long as their in the raid, my vote stays.

If they leave, I'll unvote.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I will only not lim you if you're off the raid because then i should just find the roleblocker instead.

That's exactly my stance.

As long as they're* in the raid, my vote stays.

If they leave, I'll unvote.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Why'd you go silent huh? Did you get worried about looking scummy as fuck by pushing me despite my literal obvious as fuck softs?

Obviously not.

Flail moar.

- House

Is the only adjective you know how to use to push town mislims flail lol.

ISO me
Ctrl-F "flail"

Congratulations, your obvious lie is outed.

- House

Oh sorry I meant Is the only adjective you know how to use to push people flail?

ISO me
Ctrl-F "flail"

Congratulations, your obvious lie is outed.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

UNVOTE:

- House

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: AA9

We were here, before.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

VC 4.02

Qrow and Raven (1):

tictac

ArcAngel9 (4):

Dwlee99, Tomorrow Corporation, mastina, Mandelbrot

RealCheeks (3):

Romance, Save The Dragons, Qrow and Raven

Mystic Bears (2):

: Sakura Hana, ArcAngel9

Save The Dragons (1):

RealCheeks

Not Voting:

WhemeStar, Mystic Bears, Toogeloo, Bell

With

15

remaining,

8

votes to eliminate

Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-18 09:00:41)

Raid

Raid Queue - Garuda

Success bonus for raid participants:

gains 1-shot for applicable roles

Queue:

1. Romance
   
2. Dwlee99
   
3. Tomorrow Corporation
   
4. mastina
   
5. Qrow and Raven
   
6. Mandelbrot
   
7. Sakura Hana

Backup:

1. You??

Realm Danger Level: 0

I am fine with this setup.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

I'd swap out Q&R for Toogs, personally.

I defer to you, though.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Romance

mastina

Mandelbrot

Mystic Bears

Elsa Jay

RealCheeks

Toogeloo

Bell

This is how i feel about the members of the original raid.

Dwlee and Q+R werent in it so they arent the strongman but could be scum.

I have strong reason to believe dwlee is town.

You'll understand, later.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

To clarify, Mystic Bears is in the raid. I miscounted.

@ mod:

Noraa, I think you're town. However, you have also defended the past two eliminations, so I do believe people (especially without experience with you) have the right to scumread you. Even if it doesn't make sense to you, or you think it's 'bad'. Fighting everyone is only going to fracture things more, so please just stop for a bit.

UGH
UNVOTE: Leave raid
whatever I hope you all cry after strongman literally turns out to be house.

- House

Well then! I guess I didn't miscount.

[Mandelbrot]

#8 should be Toog, IMHO.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

UNVOTE:

Pending an acceptable #8.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Damn idk who I'd want for the 8th

If this raid goes anything but swimmingly, you and I are going to have a talk about recent history.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Homie what is recent history here?

Just my hopes and dreams, and the fact they have yet to come to fruition.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Homie what is recent history here?

Just my hopes and dreams, and the fact they have yet to come to fruition.

- House

If I'm right about what you're hoping for I suspect you'll be disappointed

You sure have a way of disappointing a guy.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Homie what is recent history here?

Just my hopes and dreams, and the fact they have yet to come to fruition.

- House

If I'm right about what you're hoping for I suspect you'll be disappointed

You sure have a way of disappointing a guy.

- House

I might be able to elaborate

Tomorrow, perhaps.

No need, today.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Homie what is recent history here?

Just my hopes and dreams, and the fact they have yet to come to fruition.

- House

If I'm right about what you're hoping for I suspect you'll be disappointed

You sure have a way of disappointing a guy.

- House

I might be able to elaborate

I mainly wanted this interaction to explain to someone else why I've been townreading you since d2.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: AA9

[Mandelbrot]

Personally, idc.

I wouldn't have voted Elsa at all if it hadn't been for Toog.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm still not sure if I want the AA9 lim tho. Still a blind lim.

Kinda why I want it, though.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I caught up and nobody really derailed my plan or anything.
I guess it's just the more active voices.

I still think it's better to do do it based on previous results than to feel out who we want in a raid based on what seems to amount to opinion based reads.

I'm pretty sure that is why Sakura vetoed MB & RC.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Don't be mean.

I'm not.

I've said nothing unkind about her.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

ArcAngel9 provides good entertainment value so it'll be sad to see her go...

I've been less than whelmed by her... 55 posts... this game.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

My brain is tired House.

I apologize. So are we going with my plan or something else.

Also, I think I. Ugh I am so fucking exhausted. *sigh*

Did Mastina claim 3rd party legit. Or was that just you being aggro.

Not aggro at all. The logic is sound.

All of the NPC's have a set course of action. A script.

The warrior of light (player character) does not. They can advance the storyline, or they can spend their whole life farming pelts in a starter zone.

The warrior of light is literally the third party in FFXIV lore, just like the player character is the master of their own destiny in every FF game.

I leveled Cecil to 50 on imps outside of Baron on one playthrough of FFIV back in the day (labeled as FF II, because original NA release).

The warrior of light has no alliances outside of those he/she/etc chooses for themselves. Every NPC has an assigned alliance.

Also also, if she WAS NOT 3p, she wouldn't have gotten so bent over me mentioning it, saying that it's something "I had no business bringing up".

That said, I'm not interested in her lim. I just love that I outed her.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I have already made the you make a lot of assumptions don't you get burned a lot for that
question right?

@TC: I have a feeling if you laid out the reasons why you think they're funny they wouldn't be very complimentary. But meh, this is a derail, plus I think I might be bad faith reading you and I'm sorry for that.

Toog knows more of ffxiv lore than I do, but not THAT much more.

I played for years, and Ice played every FF title to exhaustion.

I know my shit.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I have already made the you make a lot of assumptions don't you get burned a lot for that
question right?

@TC: I have a feeling if you laid out the reasons why you think they're funny they wouldn't be very complimentary. But meh, this is a derail, plus I think I might be bad faith reading you and I'm sorry for that.

Toog knows more of ffxiv lore than I do, but not THAT much more. (I quit 5 years ago, give or take)

I played for years, and I've played every FF title to exhaustion.

I know my shit.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: Savethedragons

I'm making a stand, this dragon's tyranny has gone on for long enough.

[Mandelbrot]

Woof

Aha!

Bell's canine predilections are coming out!

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Up!

[Mandelbrot]

Woof

Aha!

Bell's canine predilections are coming out!

- House

I mean wolfCakez did the same thing:

Wow this game blew up
I'll try to make time here tomorrow but

like woof man

VOTE: AA9

It's actually hilarious if the scum team decided to troll the game by leaving a woof calling card.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

The vote on Massy makes zero fucking sense. If he thought she was scum, sure but WTF at elimming survivor. Last time I was survivor, I got fucking run up day 1 and what the actual shit. Survivor is pro town if anything. Like wtf so what if its 3p. Its PRO TOWN.

Lies.

Survivor counts AGAINST town's majority.

If it's red, it's dead.

- House

Btw, not pleased by Mandelbrot going ham about mastina being 3P, I trust the flavor claim, and I don’t think Warrior of Light would be a bad 3P for town.

No such thing as "not a bad 3p".

Anything that isn't green counts against town's majority.

- House

When did Mastina claim 3P because I clearly missed it?

~confused Raven

Flavor outed her. Already explained.

I also don't wait for group scum to give a full confession before I eliminate them.

- House

Link/Quote? Ftr, they weren’t any 3Ps in Magical Girls.

~R

Literally, read the game.

It's current events.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

There's literally no reason to kill mastina this phase

There is literally no reason to kill mastina at all.

+1

I really don’t understand why House is obsessed with yeeting Mastina. If she’s indeed a 3P and I’m not going to believe that without some actual evidence, yeeting her this early is just straight up antitown.

~R

Literally, read the game.

My brain is tired House.

I apologize. So are we going with my plan or something else.

Also, I think I. Ugh I am so fucking exhausted. *sigh*

Did Mastina claim 3rd party legit. Or was that just you being aggro.

Not aggro at all. The logic is sound.

All of the NPC's have a set course of action. A script.

The warrior of light (player character) does not. They can advance the storyline, or they can spend their whole life farming pelts in a starter zone.

The warrior of light is literally the third party in FFXIV lore, just like the player character is the master of their own destiny in every FF game.

I leveled Cecil to 50 on imps outside of Baron on one playthrough of FFIV back in the day (labeled as FF II, because original NA release).

The warrior of light has no alliances outside of those he/she/etc chooses for themselves. Every NPC has an assigned alliance.

Also also, if she WAS NOT 3p, she wouldn't have gotten so bent over me mentioning it, saying that it's something "I had no business bringing up".

That said, I'm not interested in her lim. I just love that I outed her.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

@House, you only "outed" her if she is actually 3P.

She is, so.

[Mandelbrot]

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

Who.

Are.

You?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

This is I. Bell.
Woof, bawk.

Shame.

[Mandelbrot]

Btw, not pleased by Mandelbrot going ham about mastina being 3P, I trust the flavor claim, and I don’t think Warrior of Light would be a bad 3P for town.

No such thing as "not a bad 3p".

Anything that isn't green counts against town's majority.

- House

As a member of a benevolent 3p in that one game, Yume head disagrees with this

- Steven

lmfaooo, you two have got to be the most dysfunctional hydra ever. Holy fuck!

~R

Yume is awesome.

She's the one that changed my mind about pushing the survivor.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Oh I'm not 3p.

Where did Cakes say, " yes, I'm totally Mafia"?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Eh, it's fine for survivor to claim, it's not fine for mafia to claim.

Not if I'm in the game, it's not. If it wasn't for Yume, I'd still be pushing that wagon.

Literally has scum powers. Not a member of any town alliance/group. She's 3p through and through.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Eh, it's fine for survivor to claim, it's not fine for mafia to claim.

Not if I'm in the game, it's not. If it wasn't for Yume, I'd still be pushing that wagon.

Literally has scum powers. Not a member of any town alliance/group. She's 3p through and through.

- House

Uhh, you're wrong about mastina having scum powers.
She can only fail a raid if she's part of the hostile faction. In which case she's not survivor, just scum.

This is not even a productive discussion. It's not like anyone actually wants her dead.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

This is not even a productive discussion. It's not like anyone actually wants her dead.

I had my doubts about mastina being town until the flavor claim, which is why I wanted to chase that claim in the first place.
You seem to have more motive for wanting her dead tho. Why is that?

I'll just refer you to 4827.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

You were until your hydra partner nixed it. See, I actually am reading the game. I probably can’t find evidence of this because it doesn’t freaking exist.

~R

No you're not, or your know that Toog already knows my flavor, and has probably already figured out my role.

Good luck convincing him to green light our lim.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

You were until your hydra partner nixed it. See, I actually am reading the game. I probably can’t find evidence of this because it doesn’t freaking exist.

~R

No you're not, or you'd* know that Toog already knows my flavor, and has probably already figured out my role.

Good luck convincing him to green light our lim.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Shade harder, though.

It's just gonna blow back on you.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I mean, the only other option for strongman in the raid aside of you 2 that i can think of is House

Toog wouldn't allow me anywhere near the raid if I was strongman.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Toog even outed our flavor that I crumbed to him, and nobody tried to cc it.

I wish they would have. We're confirmable.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Only thing with house is he claimed VT and then became a PR or something.

Pretty common for a PR with a confirmable role to take claim VT to deter bullets.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Only thing with house is he claimed VT and then became a PR or something.

Pretty common for a PR with a confirmable role to fake* claim VT to deter bullets.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: Qrow & Raven

I'm good with ending the day here. Coming in and dredging up old content to try and justify pushing me has all kinds of +scum equity.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Funny to mention though uh.

You have been on a lot of raids and been an unsuccessful doctor, and are still alive. Been chewing on that in case of emergency so I should have it out there but I don't think it's the likely world.

Want to change your mind on the answer you gave me earlier?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Town
Mandelbrot, mastina, Mirio, Head One and Head Two
Mystic Bears, Sakura Hana, Romance, dwlee99, Bell
Save The Dragons, Titus, tictac, Whemestar
Elsa Jay, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, Momrangal, Toogeloo
RealCheeks
-
SirCakez
-
Scum

this is approximately where I'm at reads wise, EJ shares space with my nulls but is there for mix of towny and scummy vs. being true null

-Qrow

OH yeah, this list and then Cakez going "no fucking way am I your sole scumread."

Meh, probably towny.

Disagree. Could have been Cakez pissed that a buddy wasn't even trying to leave an out to vote elsewhere.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: Qrow & Raven

I'm good with ending the day here. Coming in and dredging up old content to try and justify pushing me has all kinds of +scum equity.

- House

@Bell can I respond to this or no?

~R

If your response includes a cc, I invite you to do so.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

It's weird to put one buddy at the very bottom and specify the other one as like in a weird nullland.

Null is an easy safe spot to put a buddy.

Town is harder and risks blowback if they flip. Scumreadung them boxes the scum in to bus.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

VOTE: Qrow & Raven

I'm good with ending the day here. Coming in and dredging up old content to try and justify pushing me has all kinds of +scum equity.

- House

Fix your reading comprehension. I didn’t shade you and you damn well know it. So why the over reaction?

~R

It was dead and done.

You dredged it back up.

I'm done with you.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

It's weird to put one buddy at the very bottom and specify the other one as like in a weird nullland.

Null is an easy safe spot to put a buddy.

Town is harder and risks blowback if they flip. Scumreadung them boxes the scum in to bus.

- House

Meh, who's the scum in that reads list that Q+R is townreading?

Could be Bell or Wheme.

I doubt it would be anyone else.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Here's another tidbit:

Our role can't be roleblocked. Also, it succeeds even if we're the nk.

Nyah nyah, scum.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Here's another tidbit:

Our role can't be roleblocked. Also, it succeeds even if we're the nk.

Nyah nyah, scum.

- House

So... same as mastina's then, ok.

Nope.

I have zero abilities for affecting raid success or getting TMI on dead bodies.

That's scum shit.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I don’t think House is scum, Nancy. I did research on Momodi after Elsa’s flip and she’s a Lalafell, which I believe House also softed based on what I read from Toog. I don’t think scum are gonna have such samey fakeclaims so I think he’s real.
However, I also think he needs to shape the fuck up. I honestly think he’s onto something with mastina being 3P, the auto-success just seems right for a 3P to have for balance. What I

do not condone

is his behavior of what seems to be bullying mastina over that belief. 3P is a fucking hard alignment to play, so I detest when people belittle them like what House is doing.

-Qrow

Misrep.

I have not bullied mastina one bit. Nor have I belittled her.

Fuck that noise.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Here's another tidbit:

Our role can't be roleblocked. Also, it succeeds even if we're the nk.

Nyah nyah, scum.

- House

So... same as mastina's then, ok.

Nope.

I have zero abilities for affecting raid success or getting TMI on dead bodies.

That's scum shit.

- House

I mean, mastina also said her ability to flip the dead body cant be roleblocked and works even if she dies so...

Unlike mastina, mine has 2 players that can confirm every word I'm saying.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Here's another tidbit:

Our role can't be roleblocked. Also, it succeeds even if we're the nk.

Nyah nyah, scum.

- House

So... same as mastina's then, ok.

Nope.

I have zero abilities for affecting raid success or getting TMI on dead bodies.

That's scum shit.

- House

I mean, mastina also said her ability to flip the dead body cant be roleblocked and works even if she dies so...

Unlike mastina, mine has 2 players that can confirm every word I'm saying.

- House

Nah, im not saying you're BSing stuff, i just think you're being hypocritical.

Nope.

I'm not lying. There's the difference.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Here's another tidbit:

Our role can't be roleblocked. Also, it succeeds even if we're the nk.

Nyah nyah, scum.

- House

Isn’t that essentially the same thing Mastina claimed?

And I’m not fucking “shading” which I wasn’t before either, so get a fucking grip why don’t you?
~R

Oh look.

Another echo.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I just did my flavor homework on House’s flavor. I don’t see how he can be what he claims but he’s Flavor Leaf levels of willing to claim that he’s something he’s not, so it’s not AI.

-Qrow

[Mandelbrot]

Sigh...

I'm not gonna continue this conversation, because mastina's probably gonna be smart enough to use her ability correctly this time, and since it's mod announced it will shut you up.

That won't change her flavor.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Hey, you’re more than welcome to prove me wrong.

-Qrow

I did long before you made that ridiculous post.

Which is why a push on me will never gain traction.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Sigh...

I'm not gonna continue this conversation, because mastina's probably gonna be smart enough to use her ability correctly this time, and since it's mod announced it will shut you up.

That won't change her flavor.

- House

This game is suddenly reminding me of DnD mafia and not in a good way. :/

~R

That post reminds me of my favorite NPC comment on Fable 2.

"My mum says you're wicked, and not in the

good

way."

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I really wish someone would throw themselves into the abyss by cc'ing me.

Scum in this game are just no fun.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I CC whatever house is claiming.
~C

Tell me more about my role.

I'm riveted.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Oh I only saw MB join raid and say wait don't do anything, didn't see Bells involvement.

I CC being a 3p eliminator of mastina.
~C

I renounce my claim immediately & believe yours.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Just as an FYI the ACTUAL term is Condemner so RC just proved they aren’t one.

-Qrow

Not necessarily.

I was informed via pm when I accidentally used the prior term since my return that the new title is Eliminator.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Up!

[Mandelbrot]

I think I’ve seen Condemner used over Eliminator in the GIM thread which is why I prefer it.

-Qrow

Ha. I beat you to page top.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Just as an FYI the ACTUAL term is Condemner so RC just proved they aren’t one.

-Qrow

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Condemner


Wow, why haven’t I ever seen this role before?

~R

(Redirected from Eliminator)

Why, indeed.

[Mandelbrot]

Just as an FYI the ACTUAL term is Condemner so RC just proved they aren’t one.

-Qrow

Not necessarily.

I was informed via pm when I accidentally used the prior term since my return that the new title is Eliminator.

- House

I haven’t heard of that one either but I have L _____er but it’s probably changed per the new rules.

~R

[Mandelbrot]

(Redirected from Eliminator)

Why, indeed.

This would imply that eliminator is the older version and condemner the newer one.

Considering a mod told me quite recently to use Eliminator, I'll go with, "Eliminator is the preferred version, and Condemner is an alternate."

Unless you're suggesting I take your word over a mod's?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

At least Yume won't feel like she's the only one I argue with anymore, so that's a positive outcome of all this.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Idk.
Why is this a topic of discussion anyway.

I'm a contrarian SoB.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Up!

[Mandelbrot]

dont end the day before I come to a conclusion

This doesn't feel like a legitimate thought.

We've flipped 2 scum. It's not like we are on the verge of Elo, here.

I don't see any reason to be so antsy.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Okay.

I've been lying about my role. I just wanted to get shot because this game is doing my head in.

I'm still town, though.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I didn't think House would just keep picking at you like that.
I would just ignore him when he acts like that.

Are you an alt?

Would I recognize your main, if you told me?

(Not asking you to out)

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Just read the last few pages. First off, sorry Raven.
I didn't think House would just keep picking at you like that.
I would just ignore him when he acts like that.


As for the sudden suspicion. I'm a little disappointed people haven't just iso'd me and noted my cakez/Elsa interactions just never coming from scum.
What partner spotlights their partner Elsa, before Cakez dies and then points out that hey, Cakez seemed to be bussing Elsa based on their vote. These were fairly original pushes too, without a lot like rout input or a lack of intent.

It’s fine Bell, I don’t expect you to be a Housekeeper.

~R

Tbf, that would be an impossible job.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Romance
mastina
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears

Elsa Jay

RealCheeks
Toogeloo
Bell

Here's the day 1 raid, everyone's free to come to their own conclusions

We're town just in case I haven't mentioned that yet.
~C

Who is the scum in that list?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Romance
mastina
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears

Elsa Jay

RealCheeks
Toogeloo
Bell

Here's the day 1 raid, everyone's free to come to their own conclusions

We're town just in case I haven't mentioned that yet.
~C

Who is the scum in that list?

- House

Romance
mastina
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears

Elsa Jay

RealCheeks
Toogeloo
Bell

Here's the day 1 raid, everyone's free to come to their own conclusions

We're town just in case I haven't mentioned that yet.
~C

Who is the scum in that list?

- House

I was thinking you or Bell but now both of you are hitting my blindside so honestly Idk but I know my alignment and if you don't take my word for it fine I know this isn't my best game and I feel bad for that after RCE graciously allowed me to play.
~C

No suspicion of Mystic Bears at all?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

No suspicion of Mystic Bears at all?

I just feel like they're mad today in a towny way but then I also thought Elsa was flipping town so take that as you will. Tonereading is generally how I sort and MB anger sounded self-righteous in a genuine way to me that I'm pretty confident they are also town.
~C

Eh.

A lot of people townread frustration and indignance like scum are supposed to be zen masters or someshit.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

No suspicion of Mystic Bears at all?

I just feel like they're mad today in a towny way but then I also thought Elsa was flipping town so take that as you will. Tonereading is generally how I sort and MB anger sounded self-righteous in a genuine way to me that I'm pretty confident they are also town.
~C

Eh.

A lot of people townread frustration and indignance like scum are supposed to be zen masters or someshit.

- House

Toneshifts in scum tend to be more erratic and nonsensical compared to town.

Also this implies you either believe or know I'm town.
~C

No. It implies I don't believe your "reason" is legitimate.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

No suspicion of Mystic Bears at all?

I just feel like they're mad today in a towny way but then I also thought Elsa was flipping town so take that as you will. Tonereading is generally how I sort and MB anger sounded self-righteous in a genuine way to me that I'm pretty confident they are also town.
~C

Eh.

A lot of people townread frustration and indignance like scum are supposed to be zen masters or someshit.

- House

Toneshifts in scum tend to be more erratic and nonsensical compared to town.

Also this implies you either believe or know I'm town.
~C

No. It implies I don't believe your "reason" is legitimate.

- House

Believe or know you're town? That's a laugh.

You're still trying to keep the door open for my mislim.

Nah, fam.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Toneshifts in scum tend to be more erratic and nonsensical compared to town.

This is bullshit, too.

Bring neuro-atypical, a lot of my responses and emotions are erratic.

My anger was pretty much always townread, even as scum.

You're spouting nonsense.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Toneshifts in scum tend to be more erratic and nonsensical compared to town.

This is bullshit, too.

Being* neuro-atypical, a lot of my responses and emotions are erratic.

My anger was pretty much always townread, even as scum.

You're spouting nonsense.

- House

EBWOP

[Mandelbrot]

I try to engage RC in good faith, considering the possibility that they might be town, and this is how they act?

Lol.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

No suspicion of Mystic Bears at all?

I just feel like they're mad today in a towny way but then I also thought Elsa was flipping town so take that as you will. Tonereading is generally how I sort and MB anger sounded self-righteous in a genuine way to me that I'm pretty confident they are also town.
~C

Eh.

A lot of people townread frustration and indignance like scum are supposed to be zen masters or someshit.

- House

Toneshifts in scum tend to be more erratic and nonsensical compared to town.

Also this implies you either believe or know I'm town.
~C

No. It implies I don't believe your "reason" is legitimate.

- House

No it doesn't because as scum I can't be fooled into incorrectly townreading scum anger...because I would know their alignment.
~C

You can easily throw out a shit excuse that doesn't actually mean anything to hang a read on.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

If you think I "know" you're town, that means I'm scum FYPOV.

Vote me.

Declare a thunderdome.



- House

[Mandelbrot]

I try to engage RC in good faith, considering the possibility that they might be town, and this is how they act?

Lol.

- House

This is a good example of tone not matching the situation. I say that your logic is flawed if you're scumreading me and you accuse me of acting in bad faith with sarcasm which is an overreaction. If I were scum, I can see that you aren't a likely lim today, I have enough braincells to gauge that I'm going down in the near future so why would I be confirming you as town with these interactions.


You could be easily irritated town but tbh there's no actual case on us being Scum, just that we're generally disgusting , whatever that means so this strong reaction can't be coming from a conviction that we're scum.
~C

Except for the fact that... y'know... they are.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

If you think I "know" you're town, that means I'm scum FYPOV.

Vote me.

Declare a thunderdome.



- House

Your time will come if I was correct that your logic was a tmi slip.
~C

Assume you are.

Act on it.

[Mandelbrot]

I love how RC and MB want to shade me, but neither one has the stones to actually take me on head to head.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Come on, RC.

VOTE: RealCheeks




I'm spamming memes. That's a scum tell, right?

Step up to the plate.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

What does a vanity wagon on you prove? Why are you provoking this?
~C

Calling me a liar has consequences.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

.... anyway. When you've finished measuring yourself feel free to come back with an actual argument I can respond to.
~C

So I'm scum FYPOV, but you won't vote me.

That's because you know I'm town and this path is treacherous for you.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Town doesn't care if they take an unpopular stance, because we know that even if we die, our flip exonerates us and the so-called "winner" of the 1v1 gets put under a microscope.

You don't want that kind of scrutiny.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Go on.

Shade me some more.

[Mandelbrot]

I mean feel free to ISO me and you side by side and all the times I've said I think you're scum and notice that your reaction after I suggested a possible tmi slip is quite different to your general indifference.
~C

If you actually believed that, your post would contain a vote. I'm
You're just going someone will actually buy your snake oil.

Take the first dose. Maybe it will sell better then.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I mean feel free to ISO me and you side by side and all the times I've said I think you're scum and notice that your reaction after I suggested a possible tmi slip is quite different to your general indifference.
~C

If you actually believed that, your post would contain a vote.

You're just hoping* someone will actually buy your snake oil.

Take the first dose. Maybe it will sell better then.

- House
- House

[Mandelbrot]

Gimme dat vote, RC.

Or do you lack the courage of your convictions?

The longer you go without putting your vote where your shade is, the worse it looks for you.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Just like at the VII Remake. Case closed.

To be honest, I'm fine with the story of the VII remake. It's deceptive because

people with no knowledge of the original game get continuity lockout because the game's a Stealth Sequel and the title of 'Remake' is how it is Aeris basically with full knowledge of the original timeline trying to make a new better timeline meaning knowledge of the original timeline is required

, but as a fan of the original story, I actually think that's a bonus, not a detriment. The expansion on characters who were originally side-characters was good, too! I genuinely love some aspects of the story being told and how it's not an

exact

retelling of the original game but still has many parallels to the original game.

There's two main gripes I have with the game though.
The first is that it only covers the first half of the first disc of the original game. Like, we get out of the city at the end of the Remake, but that was like the halfway point on Disc 1...of a 3-Disc game. They covered less than 1/6th of the story of the original game. If they titled it something like "Part One", it'd make it clear that it's not done, but by having it be titled just "Final Fantasy VII Remake" they left casual viewers/gamers under the impression that it was the complete game, that it alone was a retelling of all of the original FFVII when...it aint even close. (You might think that nobody wouldn't know this. But I've

watched

streamers, MULTIPLE streamers, who were under the impression that it WAS telling the entirety of the story. Because they deliberately wanted to avoid spoilers from the original game, they didn't know about the fact that the new game only covers 1/6th of the original game's plot.)

I more or less blame whoever was in charge of marketing for that though (whoever set the title of the game), more than I do the people in charge of the story or the game.

The second, and biggest, gripe, is the change in battle mechanics. Like, I LIKE RPG games, which're pseudo-turn-based but have timers for actions, like the original FFVII was. Where you wait until your turn, then select an action, and attack, and the enemy waits for their turn and attacks, and depending on your game settings, the enemies can continue to attack if you're taking too long to select your own attack. (Chrono Trigger is similarly this style of game battle mechanic. And it is among my favorites.)

I've ZERO love for what amounts to a hack-n-slash game. You can be generous and call it

tactical

hack-n-slash, but even with the settings meant to get you closest to the game mechanics of the original game, it's still not an RPG pseudo-turn-based combat system. It's a hack-n-slash combat system. This change alone is such that it KILLS any interest I have of EVER playing the game myself. I'll

watch

playthroughs of the game, even/especially a 100%-playthrough, even someone playing through multiple times (for instance, to see the multitude of dresses you can have for the three dress-wearers in the game). I'll watch the game 1000 times because the story is still

damn

good, and I love the narrative, the characters, and the expanded worldbuilding, fleshing out aspects of the original game that were just hinted at (or only expanded upon in later works), showing off the world, but with some extra. It's a wonderful environment.

But the shit decision to make the combat shift from my favorite combat style to my LEAST favorite combat style means that instead of playing the game, I'll never ever play it and will stick to the original (which I happen to own on Steam).

I'm not even talking about the story.

I quit playing before I could get into the story.

It's not even a RPG. It's a hack & slash with spells.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

As for CT, it is amazing, but shockingly during that same era, my non-FF Square fix was Secret of Mana. I didn't really grow to respect CT til much later in life.

I don't think I've ever even played Secret if Mana.

I was too engrossed in FF & CT.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm voting wheme and AA9 has a few votes, think mod is sleeping so no VC yet.
~C

Weird that you won't vote the guy you've been constantly shading.

It's almost like you don't even believe your own stated opinion.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm voting wheme and AA9 has a few votes, think mod is sleeping so no VC yet.
~C

Weird that you won't vote the guy you've been constantly shading.

It's almost like you don't even believe your own stated opinion.

- House

Shading sorting sorta similar so?
~C

Nope.

Votes are infinitely more useful to sort than impotent shading.

Try another excuse for being a coward. That one fails.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

You're not likely to convince anyone how "right" you are when you won't even support your own suspicions with a vote.

But you don't want to be under the spotlight, do you?

Too bad.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm not sure Mandelbrot is worthy of removal tho.

That's okay, I disagree.

Even the players that "scumread" us won't vote us.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Ok I can live with Dwlee/wheme/Mandelbrot.
~C

Then vote me, coward.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Come on, what kind of town specifically refuses to avoid voting a scumread?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

And speaking of improbable.

Those that townread all 3 of Mandelbrot, Mystic Bears, Realcheeks

(or if you're one of them and townread the other 2), remember this saying:

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever's left, no matter how improbable, it's the truth.

Apparently, it's

impossible

to get RealCheeks to actually vote their scumread.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

If I'm this intimidating as a gambit happy VT, imagine the threat I'd actually be as a PR.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I would actually like to swap mandel for STD, but alas, getting MB off the raid again would be another yellfest that im not willing to endure.

You should sheep Romance when it comes to reading me.

Not all who wander are lost.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Been pondering it, and I've decided that mastina ignoring my 4518 may not be alignment indicative.

Other than her constantly repeating a question I've already addressed, she seems quite town.

It's silly to think I'm specifically 3p hunting when she's the only one I came to that conclusion about this game, and that was due to information that was outed, not information I personally fished out.

Ignoring possibilities because of how it might look is ridiculous.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Even if there were 5 scum to start we are in a better starting position than a mini is numbers-wise with more info and probably more role power

Your know better than most about that.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Even if there were 5 scum to start we are in a better starting position than a mini is numbers-wise with more info and probably more role power

You'd* know better than most about that.

- House

EBWOP

[Mandelbrot]

I've played a lot of minis

I know. I can't recall the last mini I played that you weren't in before my hiatus.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Lemon Demon?

That was after my return, silly.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Oh I thought you typo'd

I didn't immediately EBWOP.

[Mandelbrot]

I like their frustration with House.

Because scum is immune to frustration, amirite?

What towny refuses to vote their scumread?

I'm their most outspoken scumread by far and if you two are right, the game benefits by silencing me. So what's with the steadfast refusal to stand by your read and support it with a vote?

It doesn't add up.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Well I do think Mandelbrot is the scum on it. House has pushed all these people today and yet he isn't voting any of them but instead is basically naked voting Arcangel. And he's yelling at me for not voting him like what the fuck he isn't voting me either?

Remind the class where my vote is.

(Hint: verify your assumption)

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Well I do think Mandelbrot is the scum on it. House has pushed all these people today and yet he isn't voting any of them but instead is basically naked voting Arcangel.

Quote my last vote.

And he's yelling at me for not voting him like what the fuck he isn't voting me either?

You're not the only one I'm telling at for not voting their scumread.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Well I do think Mandelbrot is the scum on it. House has pushed all these people today and yet he isn't voting any of them but instead is basically naked voting Arcangel.

Quote my last vote.

And he's yelling at me for not voting him like what the fuck he isn't voting me either?

You're not the only one I'm yelling* at for not voting their scumread.

- House

EBWOP

[Mandelbrot]

bears v mandel maybe svs?

Busted.

You should help me bus. Especially considering Bears refuses to bus me back even though they're calling me scum.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

bears v mandel maybe svs?

Busted.

You should help me bus. Especially considering Bears refuses to bus me back even though they're calling me scum.

- House

Scratch that, I was thinking of RC.

You should vote RC.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Sorry. I forgot my own agenda, there.

- House