Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[mastina]

Oh I see, the fact that Janitor included a roleswap with it means the +1 shot on it is useless because it loses the janitor portion when claiming the new role, that was smart GIF.

It was also what fucks over my intended nonconventional use of my role. (My role was not

designed

to bypass a janitor, but I confirmed with GIF it had the theoretical

ability

to bypass the janitor. It does not however have the ability to bypass the roleswapper so by making the janitor a rolesweapper, my role could, fundamentally, not actually bypass the janitor because while it technically bypasses the janitor the intended effect of the janitor of preventing the role from being revealed is preserved because my bypass doesn't reveal the original role, it reveals the swapped role.)

[Mandelbrot]

Funny how every time we want something concrete from mastina, up comes another mysterious aspect to her power role.

Yet, nothing has actually been confirmed.

- House

[mastina]

(Btw did ask a couple of questions to the mod. There was one interaction I didn't check out that I should have, and I also asked about Dwlee's question.)

[mastina]

Even if we dont massclaim, mastina should 100% full claim today.

Frankly?

No.

If you think I'm scum by play go ahead and try your damned best to make a case of me being scum by play.

Because this is literally one of THE towniest games I've ever had and I'm MILES outside my scumrange and was THE biggest pusher for Elsa being scum (we would never have gotten an Elsa elimination if I hadn't been as avid as I was for us to not eliminate TC/tictac because the wagons on them would've always been bigger if not for me) and even a pusher of SirCakez being scum before the guilty.

If the entirety of your paranoia is based on me not fullclaiming my role?

Fuck

that.

[Mandelbrot]

Even if we dont massclaim, mastina should 100% full claim today.

Frankly?

No.

If you think I'm scum by play go ahead and try your damned best to make a case of me being scum by play.

Because this is literally one of THE towniest games I've ever had and I'm MILES outside my scumrange and was THE biggest pusher for Elsa being scum (we would never have gotten an Elsa elimination if I hadn't been as avid as I was for us to not eliminate TC/tictac because the wagons on them would've always been bigger if not for me) and even a pusher of SirCakez being scum before the guilty.

If the entirety of your paranoia is based on me not fullclaiming my role?

Fuck

that.

Being against Elsa doesn't mean you can't be solo scum.

Solo scum tends to be pretty powerful to make up for their lack of buddies.

I remember a game with eyestott as a Survivor that town-sided as solo scum.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Right? It's like she's angling to have almost as much sway over the events of the game as the moderator.

Well, from a

certain

point of view...I do.

But obviously I've no reason to explain that.
(It's a technicality, more trivia than anything else.)

This post has solo scum all over it.

Town doesn't get that much power over a game.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Right? It's like she's angling to have almost as much sway over the events of the game as the moderator.

Well, from a

certain

point of view...I do.

But obviously I've no reason to explain that.
(It's a technicality, more trivia than anything else.)

This post has solo scum all over it.

Town doesn't get that much power over a game.

- House

Not in one fucking slot.

- House

[Sakura Hana]

I don't know how else to explain it beyond that.
My role can bypass a janitor. Nothing can prevent my role from bypassing a janitor. Scum can't roleblock my janitor-bypass and scum killing me won't stop my janitor-bypass from functioning.
My role cannot bypass a roleswapper, because while my role can bypass the janitor, it would then after having bypassed the janitor not show H1H2's original role but rather show that H1H2 had their role stolen.

This is probably a lie unless there's another janitor.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh I see, the fact that Janitor included a roleswap with it means the +1 shot on it is useless because it loses the janitor portion when claiming the new role, that was smart GIF.

It was also what fucks over my intended nonconventional use of my role. (My role was not

designed

to bypass a janitor, but I confirmed with GIF it had the theoretical

ability

to bypass the janitor. It does not however have the ability to bypass the roleswapper so by making the janitor a rolesweapper, my role could, fundamentally, not actually bypass the janitor because while it technically bypasses the janitor the intended effect of the janitor of preventing the role from being revealed is preserved because my bypass doesn't reveal the original role, it reveals the swapped role.)

Ok scratch my previous post.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh I see, the fact that Janitor included a roleswap with it means the +1 shot on it is useless because it loses the janitor portion when claiming the new role, that was smart GIF.

It was also what fucks over my intended nonconventional use of my role. (My role was not

designed

to bypass a janitor, but I confirmed with GIF it had the theoretical

ability

to bypass the janitor. It does not however have the ability to bypass the roleswapper so by making the janitor a rolesweapper, my role could, fundamentally, not actually bypass the janitor because while it technically bypasses the janitor the intended effect of the janitor of preventing the role from being revealed is preserved because my bypass doesn't reveal the original role, it reveals the swapped role.)

So, couldnt you have used it on Elsa to find the swapped role?

[mastina]

Hmm mastina wanted STD dead D2

I mean STD was

among

the players I wanted dead then but I've since come to the belief that this might be STD as town, so.

Wtf was the point of being able to reveal a janitor but not a roleswap

Giving me a chance to be too smart for my own good, apparently.

There's no utility in hiding your flavor.

There is, actually. Outing my flavor basically outs the method by which I could bypass the janitor but not bypass the roleswapper.

I'm like 100% sure that if I fullclaim and Toogeloo is alive, Toog would go "oh yeah mastina's 100% truthfully claiming here" because of the flavor matching to

both

of my powers perfectly. (I know absolutely NOTHING about FFXIV, but given what my flavor is, even someone inept as me can tell that my flavor matches my role 100% perfectly. And, fuck, given what my role is, you don't need to be Toogeloo to tell. If *I* with my absolute zero flavor knowledge can tell that my flavor 100% fits my role perfectly, then the scum knowing my flavor can, even without knowing my role, figure out what it is due to how obvious it is.)

I'll give you a hint as to my flavor though; I'm a protagonist. Being the protagonist I am, if I ever

did

fullclaim I'd probably be conftown'd on the spot for it. Y'all would be rather

enlightened

from the experience.

[Sakura Hana]

If scum knew how to flavor match they wouldnt be getting caught with their fake claims methinks

[mastina]

She can see current posts when her post... posts.

Actually, that requires me to not close the tab immediately after I hit 'submit' and see "your message has been posted successfully". But since I always do...

If mastina turns out to not be town, I'm thinking she's more likely to be solo scum than group scum.

I'm not advocating for her elimination based on unfounded suspicion. Just a possibility to keep in mind.

So...you want to...serial killer hunt now?

Hmm.

Wonder which faction benefits from hunting 3ps?

Wasn't it YOU, House, who said as much? (Could be mistaken but I seem to distinctly recall in a prior game you being very explicit that 3p hunting is a scumtell.)

[Mandelbrot]

I'll give you a hint as to my flavor though; I'm a protagonist. Being the protagonist I am, if I ever did fullclaim I'd probably be conftown'd on the spot for it. Y'all would be rather enlightened from the experience.

... fine

[Sakura Hana]

There is no serial killer with the ammount of kills per night we've had so far.
More importantly if there WAS a serial killer i'd been dead ages ago.

[Mandelbrot]

So...you want to...serial killer hunt now?

SK isn't the only 3P.

I even mentioned a non-sk 3p earlier.

[Mandelbrot]

There is no serial killer with the ammount of kills per night we've had so far.
More importantly if there WAS a serial killer i'd been dead ages ago.

Yeah, idk why she even jumped to that conclusion.

- House

[Sakura Hana]

Speaking of 3P at times i feel like dwlee's an alignment whose entire purpose is to eliminate AA9.
Dunno what they are called nowadays that the L word is banned.

[mastina]

This post has solo scum all over it.

Oh that? That post was me hinting at my role/flavor. (The two need to be combined to form the certain point of view, but are very closely linked together.)

So, couldnt you have used it on Elsa to find the swapped role?

(Btw did ask a couple of questions to the mod.

There was one interaction I didn't check out that I should have

, and I also asked about Dwlee's question.)

That would be the one interaction I didn't check out that I should have.

I legitimately genuinely didn't think about it until today, which is a fuckup on my end, sorry. I'll let you know once GIF gets back to me, though.

[Mandelbrot]

Speaking of 3P at times i feel like dwlee's an alignment whose entire purpose is to eliminate AA9.
Dunno what they are called nowadays that the L word is banned.

According to a recent pm, Eliminator.

- House

[Sakura Hana]

mastina i dunno why you want me to trust you when:
1) So far there's no indication of your auto success ability, considering that's a switch that scum on the raid can flip on a whim.
2) You originally wanted STD eliminated D2 (before the guilty was revealed), then Elsa uses his janitor, and after when scum already know H1/H2's role, you want to eliminate Elsa.
3) Your coroner or whatever ability that bypasses something is still yet to be proven.

[mastina]

If scum knew how to flavor match they wouldnt be getting caught with their fake claims methinks

I'm saying that my flavor is SO obvious and SO matched to my role that scum don't need to know flavor. Even with an inability to match flavor to a role, they could still pull it off with me. Because my flavor-role correlation is SO obvious even people with absolutely 0% role/flavor knowledge can make the connection from one to the other.

[mastina]

There is no serial killer with the ammount of kills per night we've had so far.
More importantly if there WAS a serial killer i'd been dead ages ago.

Yeah, idk why she even jumped to that conclusion.

I use SK to refer to any malevolent 3p.
You said I could be 'solo scum'--a term for malevolent 3p.

But this is still a deflection from my point:

If mastina turns out to not be town, I'm thinking she's more likely to be solo scum than group scum.

I'm not advocating for her elimination based on unfounded suspicion. Just a possibility to keep in mind.

So...you want to...serial killer hunt now?

Hmm.

Wonder which faction benefits from hunting 3ps?

Wasn't it YOU, House, who said as much? (Could be mistaken but I seem to distinctly recall in a prior game you being very explicit that 3p hunting is a scumtell.)

Which faction has more incentive to hunt for 3ps?

Is it the town, when we know for a fact that there's still scum left in the game? At least two, and almost assuredly three?

I think not.

[mastina]

mastina i dunno why you want me to trust you when

I'm suddenly getting paranoid about mastina =_=

Iso me, control-F "cakez".
Repeat this control-f, but with "Elsa" instead.

Then iso Elsa and control-f 'mas'.

There was literally NO player pushing Elsa harder than I was and if you think there was, you can fuck off because I was 100% the strongest pusher of Elsa being scum bar none. You can give

credit

for the Elsa elimination elsewhere as I was not the only reason Elsa was eliminated but while I may not own 100% credit for the elimination, I WAS the

strongest

pusher of that elimination.

So either I was hard-bussing or I'm not scum.

(Also this isn't my scum meta, so.)

If you think I'm scum by play go ahead and try your damned best to make a case of me being scum by play.

Because this is literally one of THE towniest games I've ever had and I'm MILES outside my scumrange and was THE biggest pusher for Elsa being scum (we would never have gotten an Elsa elimination if I hadn't been as avid as I was for us to not eliminate TC/tictac because the wagons on them would've always been bigger if not for me) and even a pusher of SirCakez being scum before the guilty.

If the entirety of your paranoia is based on me not fullclaiming my role?

Fuck

that.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway, imma stay off the raid, i dont wanna risk another strongman shot, if you guys want to risk it fine, i doubt scum is gonna fail it if the strongman is in it anyway.
But with people being uncooperative with the mass claim so we can lock people to their claims while toog is alive to confirm them, i dont wanna risk it.