Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[SirCakez]

because literally no matter what Toog flips we are gonna be in the same gamestate tomorrow

[SirCakez]

ok whatever
VOTE: toog

[SirCakez]

i don't want to argue anymore

[SirCakez]

i feel like this game will be a key factor on how I play mafia going forward depending on how people flip

[SirCakez]

you provide "information" or something

read 3151

you agreed with me that Dunn's ISO is "better" than Toog's so I'm not sure how you're stuck up on this

[SirCakez]

you provide "information" or something

read 3151

you agreed with me that Dunn's ISO is "better" than Toog's so I'm not sure how you're stuck up on this

because i don't see how that translates into flipping him being a better choice at all

there's actually shit to look at in his ISO
what the hell are we gonna read from Toog's ISO? nothing.
and if he's scum he was getting bussed almost certainly. if he's town scum were happy to mislim him.
Dunn is a good scum player so I think scum would actually be trying to keep him alive here.

[SirCakez]

maybe dunn isn't "controversial" but there's certainly more resistance to wagoning him than Toog as evidenced by the last ~5 pages

[SirCakez]

Subject: Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

I think the arguments are flawed because like some have said we get extremely little info from yeeting NM and his elim is not super helpful either way he flips.

like it's consistent within his philosophy

it's just objectively bad play

ok I'm open to learning
I voted Toog let's see what happens

[SirCakez]

flush flush says Peter Pan

[SirCakez]

Subject: Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

I think the arguments are flawed because like some have said we get extremely little info from yeeting NM and his elim is not super helpful either way he flips.

like it's consistent within his philosophy

it's just objectively bad play

also posts like this make me think about how I'm just not playing mafia on the same plane as other people because I don't even remember that post let alone most of that game

[SirCakez]

not going to pretend i'm at cop guilty levels of confidence but i maintain flipping someone who is not playing the game is literally always a healthy one to make and you should at least recognize the biased thinking where you're always looking for some complicated answer and end up tunneling nacho

ok to be fair to myself I did end up reading Nacho correctly that game

[SirCakez]

not going to pretend i'm at cop guilty levels of confidence but i maintain flipping someone who is not playing the game is literally always a healthy one to make and you should at least recognize the biased thinking where you're always looking for some complicated answer and end up tunneling nacho

ok to be fair to myself I did end up reading Nacho correctly that game

oh wait no i didnt
oof

[SirCakez]

not going to pretend i'm at cop guilty levels of confidence but i maintain flipping someone who is not playing the game is literally always a healthy one to make and you should at least recognize the biased thinking where you're always looking for some complicated answer and end up tunneling nacho

ok to be fair to myself I did end up reading Nacho correctly that game

oh wait no i didnt
oof

dude i memed you into thinking he was my partner because i was practically outed and hard defending him

I KNOW STOP

[SirCakez]

yeah but have you gotten any good vibes? i usually get them from Inf and they aren't here

I think I got some early on

Oh yeah
What were these?

-_-
I'll try to find them, but you don't seem like you're very receptive based on how you asked

Why would I ask if I didn't want to know?

[SirCakez]

Ok well now I'm pretty happy with the game state lol

[SirCakez]

@Cakez

You were pretty much about 'Toog being scum' early on and now you're at them being null and even some posts that read like you think they're town? Why? What changed

With Toog - they are just trying so little that it almost feels too scummy to be scum, you know? And I have this instinct that scum is in the higher-activity players and they want to use Toog as a freelim when we can gain a lot more information by flipping someone who's active and controversial. Where does a Toog flip leave us regardless of alignment? Nowhere really.
And my other stronger scumreads all have Toog as someone they'd like to elim and it just feels wrong - someone else agreed with me on this I forget who.

oh this is why the tinfoil was a thing
why do you feel like scum are higher-activity generally? I'd maybe look at people who are more engaged now than they were in previous events, but I don't think that label fits anyone rn.

I kinda already talked w Peta and Unwind about this but it was just a theory I had based on my scum reads that doesn't really hold water

[SirCakez]

yeah but have you gotten any good vibes? i usually get them from Inf and they aren't here

I think I got some early on

Oh yeah
What were these?

-_-
I'll try to find them, but you don't seem like you're very receptive based on how you asked

Why would I ask if I didn't want to know?

Gamma you didn't respond to this

[SirCakez]

Are y'all serious what a bad pick from Pink

[SirCakez]

I'm just going back to how Infinity has been a literal wet napkin all game and also has not good associations with Dunn
Ulyana is someone who is now on the table for me too based on bad Dunn associatives

[SirCakez]

I'm just going back to how Infinity has been a literal wet napkin all game and also has not good associations with Dunn
Ulyana is someone who is now on the table for me too based on bad Dunn associatives

???

you mean dunn just commenting on my posts so that you could say this right now?

I don't understand what you're saying here
y'all had basically no read on each other and you seemed to avoid talking about him as he did with you

but... why wouldn't scum!dunn just shoot town!toogeloo? instead of 50/50? and after toogeloo made it clear was going to spin barrel if town why wouldn't scum!dunn spin the barrel instead of scum claiming?

well i dunno, maybe the bullet was later down the barrel and toog spinning made things go unpredicatble (actually that's a really likely theory)

or he wanted toog to go first after spinning the barrel, cuz it has better mathematical odds if i recall my calculations correctly

it doesn't, optimal play from a fresh spin is 50/50 although there's a chance someone could misplay and hand the other player an advantage, which is the only reason i can think for him spinning immediately after toog

personally i think in that scenario if i have a teammate with a gun and a townie in the other spot i have them openwolf and just shoot the opponent with the first chambered shot because it still means town wastes a phase eliminating them

good point
definitely might just be SvS

i’m going to ate you until you regret that choice more than any within your life.......

But this is why I thought you were scum!

My assumption going into the PT was that

Toog

was town because I didn't trust that his wagon was heavily town led or influenced because it deflated

unwnd's

wagon and ignored my push for a

Cakez/Dunn

duel.

Based on my read progressions, I figured

unwnd

slot was town and

Cakez

slot was likely a

Dunn

partner.

And then proceeded to disagree with

Infinity/Skitter

over this take and the following ones from this idea throughout most of the PT time.

I felt that your aggression the

unwnd

1v1 was genuine but I couldn't help but think it was angled for your survival.

You think Dunn's target when he's going down is...his vulnerable scum partner? What?

[SirCakez]

atm I have no interest in limming (Gamma Emerald, Peta, Gammagooey/unwnd, Dwlee, skitter)

VOTE: hold obv

having two Gammas is gonna be annoying

[SirCakez]

urgh I probably wouldn't elim Ydra and Saber either
definitely have some deepwolves in my pool..

[SirCakez]

hmph Peta made a point that Saber deflated in the PT and post-PTs
a good point

[SirCakez]

i don't like Ulyana's reaction to me dropping my suspicion of her

[SirCakez]

VOTE: start vote
I don't really see anyone's minds changing at this point

[SirCakez]

why does this game have 10+ new pages and the vote still hasn't started

[SirCakez]

Infinity Towncase

• She feels off her game here unfortunately, but in a way that I can probably reconcile as being town based in it happening before, in the True Love game we played a long way back.
  
• post 2102 feels more like scum knee-jerk reacting to a townie based on the "I TMI'd, where???" type vibe the post gives. 2104 is a clear indication Dunn thought infinity meant Dunn was TMI’ing in this game.
  
• Attempts to work through ulyana's early theory talk seem untainted by scum info
  
• initial interactions with prism were to kinda play devil's advocate, this alongside other progression points on that slot (namely going back and realizing she felt gypyx was sus after she'd looked at her idea that Prism wouldn’t have off meta on me with her townread on me in mind) feel indicative of infinity having real thoughts on the slot
  
• progression on me is she starts out thinking I'm in my townrange for wild thought processes, later realizes some of my content is stuff I could be faking as scum, and spends some time distrusting me until flipping her read back around like late-D1. That seems pretty reasonable for town!infinity, she probably doesn’t need to flip her read like she did as early as she did.
  
• The exact logic for the read flip I was able to parse out was that she liked that I wasn't just trying to keep the same tactic up and get away with it, which makes sense, as I feel like that's a common behavior for scum!me when under pressure is to just push the same bullshit, and the particular way I went about trying to dig out of my hole sideways (as opposed to digging straight down) is one I think is just generally towny.
  
• Has some pretty based takes that feel like she's not being manipulative (seeing ydra's town streak post as a joke, trying to correct me on my misinterpretation of cephrir's actions towards me)
  
• The flip to SRing gypyx does actually seem like there was some prelude in that infinity thought gypyx was maybe meta-manipulating, which would justify going back on the prism read a bit more.
  
• The "too many TRs" thing is something I can pretty much assure is a town!infinity thing at the very least. My exp with scum!finity is kinda limited though
  
• Infinity's point about dunn TMI-ing actually really clicks because I'd also felt Dunn said some eerily accurate stuff about the setup this game, so that makes the Dunn reaction even more of an anti-partner tell imo. Dunnstral just kinda misdirected the topic of conversation, otherwise infinity might have locked into pushing him harder.
  
• This only dawned on me when I posted about it before, but Infinity just dropping the idea of Dunn TMI would have been putting Dunn’s game at risk for little to no reason IMO. It’s my belief that Dunn was bleeding some level of scum knowledge about events. While Infinity was talking about something else, that post initially bringing up TMI was incredibly vague as to what the TMI was about. Someone with the right mindset and perspective seeing that would have locked on to that and immediately called for Dunn’s head. That’s basically giving someone else a free ticket to be obvtown, so why would scum!finity do that? The ONLY agenda I can comprehend that isn’t mired in WIFOM is there was an agreement to cut Dunn loose because he was bleeding to much info, in which case,
  why didn’t Infinity go in for the kill?
  
  
• 2316 definitely makes sense as a town response given what's happened since then, and considering their history.
  
• Infinity's bad pathing on reads this game can be partly explained by the phrase "distracted by the scummy", where she's focusing on actions that look bad in the moment while not entirely keying into what the actions entire mean/what scum motivation they serve. This is exemplified in 2349 where she calls out toog/dunn/saber/unwnd as weaker TRs she's skeptical of, and out of those she ends up putting Saber/unwnd in her lowest tier later on when she should have probably put toog/dunn there. This also kinda resembles how she played in the True Love game I've referenced.
  
• 2504 is a valid point, though I also kinda get what gypyx was presenting in what Infinity was responding to
  
• the way of heeding the words of those she trusts in 2535 is a towntell I think
  
• the whole progression of 2535 -> 2543 -> 2619 seems good
  
• response to ulyana's suspicion regarding the switch in secondary wagon didn't feel defensive
  
• I like the consistency in believing in Prism's read rate on me, though Prism's meta impression of me was totally off (she thought my scumplay hadn't developed over 5 years of playing, when it very much had, and infinity can attest to that because one of the games I floundered as scum in was one all 3 of us were in, and since then I've broken out of the box that my play was stuck in, as infinity kinda saw in haunted village I believe) so there's absolutely room for her to have been wrong as town!

So I guess I spent like 4 hours on this for nothing, huh?

what were you expecting to happen?
a lot of these things are things you seem unsure about yourself
others have been written off as NAI
nothing here seems unfakable it's a lot of "vibes" you have from Inf

[SirCakez]

and you even admit in your opening that they feel off

[SirCakez]

the fact is this is a game where some people are as part of the game lying and trying to manipulate others

to that end i have to have hard heart and not care when someone complains about their feelings or how i'm being unfair because they've been busy irl and didn't have the time. i did not care when galron cried about it even though i was probably wrong, i do not care when it comes to you. displays of emotionality and making excuses are only going to make me think people are falling back on that as a way of appearing vulnerable to make people want to be on their side. i care for none of it


i think the way you're reacting to me here is tantamount to a scumclaim

i disagree with this because when you were attacking me I felt very similarly. you can be ruder than necessary honestly.

[SirCakez]

Cakez

, I don't like that you return to this thread knocking the only towncase presented on either nominee slot in the most handwavey manner possible.

who cares? one of them is dying either way and I've made my stance on Infinity scum very clear

[SirCakez]

do you agree with that case? Bc I agree with whoever said that no argument presented within it is convincing

[SirCakez]

ok then what explains that? why is Infinity not playing well this game?

[SirCakez]

Okay so very recently
Can I point out that aside from infinity herself, no one has said they’re voting peta? I’m also the only one who’s voted to abstain. And we’re worried about scum manipulation of the ballot

how exactly

?

i'm voting peta and think that something fuck-y happened in your pt for infinity to be the nom now when it doesn't seem like that many people are scumreading them anyways

nothing fucky happened four of us think they are scum and that's that

[SirCakez]

the fact is this is a game where some people are as part of the game lying and trying to manipulate others

to that end i have to have hard heart and not care when someone complains about their feelings or how i'm being unfair because they've been busy irl and didn't have the time. i did not care when galron cried about it even though i was probably wrong, i do not care when it comes to you. displays of emotionality and making excuses are only going to make me think people are falling back on that as a way of appearing vulnerable to make people want to be on their side. i care for none of it


i think the way you're reacting to me here is tantamount to a scumclaim

i disagree with this because when you were attacking me I felt very similarly. you can be ruder than necessary honestly.

yeah i'm coming to terms with that

the way i play is stuck in the past and is out of sync with current norms. i did decently playing with aggression in the past but the playstyle is clearly unsustainable (although i believe the stuff about needing to have something of a hard heart when it's possible the other person is trying to manipulate you)

if i was out of line with you earlier i apologize

you're alright I don't take this stuff to heart because like you said it's just a game about lying but I know some people do and that's when it can get problematic.
and yeah when scum uses AtE against you it can induce that kind of rage. there's not really a good answer.

I was thinking scum would have stances on this situation that feel way off or would be like, trying to tune out the nuance of what’s going on. That feels like Cakez rn.

this just seems like you being desperate to justify Infinity as town here somehow

Cakez

, I don't like that you return to this thread knocking the only towncase presented on either nominee slot in the most handwavey manner possible.

who cares? one of them is dying either way and I've made my stance on Infinity scum very clear

I do care and your mentality here is why I suspect you. Your suspicions this entire game feel easy to make and I don't have a clear understanding on what you find trustworthy, town, or productive.

I'm less convinced on both nominees being scum at this moment but you don't seem so concerned beyond progressing this game only through elimination, and I can't parse your motive easily.

ok and? my suspicions have been right so far. we have to lim Peta or Infinity, that's it. I don't understand what you want - it seems like nobody is changing their mind on either slot so why would you not want to get to the elim so we can hopefully get to some event that opens the pool again.

[SirCakez]

I genuinely am trying to figure out if I'm just mad beefing with

Ydra/Cakez's

playstyle because everybody is apt to convince me I'm wrong in suspecting either slot, but I don't think I've provided sufficient pressure or have seen an appealing reply.

p-edit

Cakez

, I don't like that you return to this thread knocking the only towncase presented on either nominee slot in the most handwavey manner possible.

who cares? one of them is dying either way and I've made my stance on Infinity scum very clear

I do care and your mentality here is why I suspect you. Your suspicions this entire game feel easy to make and I don't have a clear understanding on what you find trustworthy, town, or productive.

I'm less convinced on both nominees being scum at this moment but you don't seem so concerned beyond progressing this game only through elimination, and I can't parse your motive easily.

ok and? my suspicions have been right so far. we have to lim Peta or Infinity, that's it. I don't understand what you want - it seems like nobody is changing their mind on either slot so why would you not want to get to the elim so we can hopefully get to some event that opens the pool again.

Mmmmmmm. OK,

"we can't change the event"

sounds like a better response than

"good with killing a slot."

What is your read on

Peta

- did you reconcile in the PT?

I can't see scum!Peta doing the 180 he did and instead getting scum buddy Dunn killed. Doesn't make sense at all. I am fairly certain Peta could have got me in the duel and Peta also knows that because he's outfoxed me as scum before.
Also I liked his posting in the PT a lot - it felt like town energized by the scumflip.

[SirCakez]

can we start the vote please?

[SirCakez]

this game is dead in the water we are talking in circles

[SirCakez]

nobody's mind is changing we are just wasting time and killing people's WIM
we need to get back to a stage where we can actually vote

[SirCakez]

we can do all this buddy analysis after we have a flip and can vote on people zzzz

[SirCakez]

people are talking like we are gonna somehow get through this without yeeting one of Peta or Infinity

[SirCakez]

people are talking like we are gonna somehow get through this without yeeting one of Peta or Infinity

who? other than taly’s ??? post about how the event worked

i was referring to Taly

[SirCakez]

Wow imagine having a normal elimination

[SirCakez]

Sorry Infinity
We'll make this right

[SirCakez]

reading reading

[SirCakez]

this event is wacky
honestly I'm not hopeful we get the hail mary instawin

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gammagooey
he seems like a good candidate to save

[SirCakez]

would also send Taly and Ydra right now
little more leery of Peta right now post-Infinity flip

[SirCakez]

I still think Ulyana is scum

[SirCakez]

still think Gamma is really town esp now that we know Infinity was town

[SirCakez]

I don't think Saber slot is town anymore. Saber was useless in the Blue PT + Harley Quinn's posting has been scummy.

[SirCakez]

oooof does skitter have me pocketed here?

[SirCakez]

oooof does skitter have me pocketed here?

said this because the POE is stronger and something about their entrance today irked me

[SirCakez]

this game is really fucking hard

[SirCakez]

i will tomorrow rlly tired now

[SirCakez]

i will tomorrow rlly tired now

it's like

a) i'm town

and

b) i already addressed your vaguely pointing at me without reasoning here:

i don't like Ulyana's reaction to me dropping my suspicion of her

this is the second time in the game you've just dropped a suspicion of me based on ???????????????

and the second time you've "not liked my reaction"

so it's like, you either do not like the way i do things, which i can't help, or you have an agenda with vaguely saying i'm scummy without like any reason behind it as far as anything i've actually done in the game

which you ignored so it's like, yeah i still think it's that and it's feeling more and more like the agenda because you don't try to interact with me and actually sort me in any meaningful way either

ok first off I don't understand why you're so stuck up on my scumread of you - I find that in itself scummy
accusing me of having an agenda is ridiculous if you read any of my posts - I have no fucking clue what is going on lol
coming back to you

I don't think Saber slot is town anymore. Saber was useless in the Blue PT + Harley Quinn's posting has been scummy.

How?

your entrance was overtly "confused" and your demands for reasons for people SRing you (like you just did) is scummy
ex;

Harley is scum

Why am I scum? I would say case me but since I literally just repped in an haven’t even gotten a chance to read the fucking game, there obviously isn’t one.

this is really overblown

[SirCakez]

If four successive town players reach the other side before scum make a kill, all scum die.

WAIT

So scum can only die IF they have never made a kill prior to 4 townies crossing in succession.

But that's not just contingent on town crossing, but ALSO whether a kill has been made.

Fucking yikes. Is town auto winning possible here?

Peta

is correct.

VOTE: Peta

I want to vote players I haven't confidently sorted yet but believe are likelier town.

I'll join this
VOTE: peta

[SirCakez]

Gypyx is someone who should be left behind in the four IMO

[SirCakez]

i'd leave like
ulyana, Harley, Gypyx, Toog

[SirCakez]

ok first off I don't understand why you're so stuck up on my scumread of you - I find that in itself scummy
accusing me of having an agenda is ridiculous if you read any of my posts - I have no fucking clue what is going on lol

because you just keep saying i am scummy without any reasoning

you say it's ridiculous to say you have an agenda but gypyx literally just like ten posts ago is saying i should stay behind solely because you've said i was scummy

i'm about to get into this I was finishing reading
why are you blaming me for this Gypyx thing? if anything you should be scumreading Gypyx for sheeping an unexplained read

[SirCakez]

also I said this earlier which was the initial reasoning for my scumread - Dunn and you looked like buddies

I'm just going back to how Infinity has been a literal wet napkin all game and also has not good associations with Dunn
Ulyana is someone who is now on the table for me too based on bad Dunn associatives

I don't understand what you're saying here
y'all had basically no read on each other and you seemed to avoid talking about him as he did with you

[SirCakez]

i'd leave like
ulyana, Harley, Gypyx, Toog

so two people i've been saying were scummy for a long time, someone who just said i should be left behind, and me

makes a lot of sense to you?

i'm not doing preflips

[SirCakez]

i don't think all four of those are scum (well rather all three scum are in there) but I do think there are scum in there and that pool has the highest chance to hit at least one

[SirCakez]

i'd leave like
ulyana, Harley, Gypyx, Toog

:\

huh?

[SirCakez]

here are all Dunn-Uly references/interactions from his ISO
it's fishy as fuck
unexplained townread on Uly, a random defense of her, some posts chatting with her

Spoiler:

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

That's what was current when I was in thread and Ulyana is one of my only townreads in this game. I didn't like the push there.

Is relitigate some kind of buzzword that doesn't mean anything now?

My reads for today is what Ulyana just said in 2202, which I kind of hinted that that is where I was leaning, but wondering why other people thought otherwise

I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

so you'd default to gamma being exempt from duel to determine after if we've received benefit?

hm, i think this makes some sense, though if gamma is a scums that leaves only 3 for us to hit 2 within with other choices

Putting my thoughts on gamma aside:

If we wanted to eliminate him, we had a chance to do so. We didn't take it. It's nonsense to try to eliminate him again using a seperate game mechanic, it would mean we wasted power

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

do you think this description of your expectation of scum!ydrasse lines up with taly’s play this game? and would you have a similar expectation of scum!taly?

I don't know how to read taly, no I wouldn't have a similar expectation, that's just for ydrasse.

like it felt like lights were off and i could relate to that

Can you clarify what “lights were off” means?

it is like,

sometimes i am very excited for a game almost always if i sign up and stay signed up i am very much excited to be playing it

but then the game starts and i flip the switch to turn on the lights and the lights do not come on

and it feels like i can't make sense of anything and all of my thoughts are like 'yup they are a player in this game'

and then others are like 'she must be a scums!' or worse they are like why don't you just try flipping that switch again it's right there and i am like that's not how lights work

Well it feels like we have been talking in circles for several 10's of pages

[SirCakez]

also I said this earlier which was the initial reasoning for my scumread - Dunn and you looked like buddies

I'm just going back to how Infinity has been a literal wet napkin all game and also has not good associations with Dunn
Ulyana is someone who is now on the table for me too based on bad Dunn associatives

I don't understand what you're saying here
y'all had basically no read on each other and you seemed to avoid talking about him as he did with you

i wasn't avoiding talking about him i talked about how my past experience with him wasn't any help in sorting

but more importantly that's literally all you've felt about about my slot from every post i've made

is was maybe avoiding dunnstral?

that's obviously not what I said

[SirCakez]

I don't like how you've behaved in the game post-Dunn flip
it feels like you're manipulating things and overtly worried about attention on your slot

[SirCakez]

and other people also found you scummy in the Blue PT and back in the main thread but you're stuck on me for some reasons

[SirCakez]

also I said this earlier which was the initial reasoning for my scumread - Dunn and you looked like buddies

I'm just going back to how Infinity has been a literal wet napkin all game and also has not good associations with Dunn
Ulyana is someone who is now on the table for me too based on bad Dunn associatives

I don't understand what you're saying here
y'all had basically no read on each other and you seemed to avoid talking about him as he did with you

i wasn't avoiding talking about him i talked about how my past experience with him wasn't any help in sorting

but more importantly that's literally all you've felt about about my slot from every post i've made

is was maybe avoiding dunnstral?

like it's so absurd to me that your scumread is 'is scum because might have been avoiding dunnstral and i don't like the way she reacts to things (which you also haven't looked into)' will just ignore all of her posts and just keep saying she's scum

what posts have I ignored?

[SirCakez]

here are all Dunn-Uly references/interactions from his ISO
it's fishy as fuck
unexplained townread on Uly, a random defense of her, some posts chatting with her

Spoiler:

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

That's what was current when I was in thread and Ulyana is one of my only townreads in this game. I didn't like the push there.

Is relitigate some kind of buzzword that doesn't mean anything now?

My reads for today is what Ulyana just said in 2202, which I kind of hinted that that is where I was leaning, but wondering why other people thought otherwise

I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

so you'd default to gamma being exempt from duel to determine after if we've received benefit?

hm, i think this makes some sense, though if gamma is a scums that leaves only 3 for us to hit 2 within with other choices

Putting my thoughts on gamma aside:

If we wanted to eliminate him, we had a chance to do so. We didn't take it. It's nonsense to try to eliminate him again using a seperate game mechanic, it would mean we wasted power

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

do you think this description of your expectation of scum!ydrasse lines up with taly’s play this game? and would you have a similar expectation of scum!taly?

I don't know how to read taly, no I wouldn't have a similar expectation, that's just for ydrasse.

like it felt like lights were off and i could relate to that

Can you clarify what “lights were off” means?

it is like,

sometimes i am very excited for a game almost always if i sign up and stay signed up i am very much excited to be playing it

but then the game starts and i flip the switch to turn on the lights and the lights do not come on

and it feels like i can't make sense of anything and all of my thoughts are like 'yup they are a player in this game'

and then others are like 'she must be a scums!' or worse they are like why don't you just try flipping that switch again it's right there and i am like that's not how lights work

Well it feels like we have been talking in circles for several 10's of pages

these are literally all dunnstral posts this is exactly why i said you were just saying that because dunnstral commented on some of my posts so you could say this

ok and what's your point? it looks bad

[SirCakez]

Hey Harley, have anyone you definitely want to leave out from crossing at the moment?

Gypyx I think.

I’m also having doubts on Cakez and Skitter.

this is definitely OMGUS lmao

[SirCakez]

I don't like how you've behaved in the game post-Dunn flip
it feels like you're manipulating things and overtly worried about attention on your slot

what have i manipulated?

I'm gonna take this part back bc I think my memory was wrong, I thought you were more involved in the Infinity push

what posts have I ignored?

you ignored my saying either agenda or do not like me outright until i brought it back up

you've ignored all of my attempts at solving game apparently,

just because you appear to be game solving doesn't mean anything

what posts have I ignored?

you ignored my saying either agenda or do not like me outright until i brought it back up

you've ignored all of my attempts at solving game apparently,

here are all Dunn-Uly references/interactions from his ISO
it's fishy as fuck
unexplained townread on Uly, a random defense of her, some posts chatting with her

Spoiler:

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

That's what was current when I was in thread and Ulyana is one of my only townreads in this game. I didn't like the push there.

Is relitigate some kind of buzzword that doesn't mean anything now?

My reads for today is what Ulyana just said in 2202, which I kind of hinted that that is where I was leaning, but wondering why other people thought otherwise

I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

so you'd default to gamma being exempt from duel to determine after if we've received benefit?

hm, i think this makes some sense, though if gamma is a scums that leaves only 3 for us to hit 2 within with other choices

Putting my thoughts on gamma aside:

If we wanted to eliminate him, we had a chance to do so. We didn't take it. It's nonsense to try to eliminate him again using a seperate game mechanic, it would mean we wasted power

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

do you think this description of your expectation of scum!ydrasse lines up with taly’s play this game? and would you have a similar expectation of scum!taly?

I don't know how to read taly, no I wouldn't have a similar expectation, that's just for ydrasse.

like it felt like lights were off and i could relate to that

Can you clarify what “lights were off” means?

it is like,

sometimes i am very excited for a game almost always if i sign up and stay signed up i am very much excited to be playing it

but then the game starts and i flip the switch to turn on the lights and the lights do not come on

and it feels like i can't make sense of anything and all of my thoughts are like 'yup they are a player in this game'

and then others are like 'she must be a scums!' or worse they are like why don't you just try flipping that switch again it's right there and i am like that's not how lights work

Well it feels like we have been talking in circles for several 10's of pages

these are literally all dunnstral posts this is exactly why i said you were just saying that because dunnstral commented on some of my posts so you could say this

ok and what's your point? it looks bad

so dunnstral commented on some posts so that you could say it looks bad and now you're saying it looks bad?

what does this even mean lol

[SirCakez]

iirc Gamma and Peta found you suspicious

[SirCakez]

damn got ninjaed by Gamma

[SirCakez]

ok I really need to do homework now

[SirCakez]

just because you appear to be game solving doesn't mean anything

okay how are you determining that i 'appear to be solving' as opposed to 'am solving'

I don't know if it's real or not, that's not the crux of my argument

None of that is AI for me. Both you and Skitter are sr me for really bad reasons. Your reads have more nuance than hers but still.

how are they not AI?

iirc Gamma and Peta found you suspicious

i addressed petapan about this at some length and gamma emerald has not voiced that recently (until just now)? and when gamma did we also talked about that at length, so?

sorry I am conflating the Blue PT and main thread in my head

[SirCakez]

I'm wondering why the

Toog

scumreads are still present. They've played nothing like they were pre-duel.

a. they feel the same to me IMO
b. POE

[SirCakez]

iirc Gamma and Peta found you suspicious

i had very vocally changed my stance since then, though

yes I was looking backwards not forwards

I thought Gypyx was townie earlier but idk now that's why I think they should just be left - we can clear out the LHF

[SirCakez]

people should just vote someone to cross or this is going to take forever

[SirCakez]

cakez why are you so insistent on rushing everything when it's clear that making hasty decisions led us down a bad path last event and you yourself have expressed difficulty with your reads this game

I want to get the process moving is all because we have to do like ~8 of these? and we're giving more time for scum to manipulate things

[SirCakez]

and I don't think last phase was rushed anyways - I don't really see a world where Infinity was not the elim there

[SirCakez]

cakez why are you so insistent on rushing everything when it's clear that making hasty decisions led us down a bad path last event and you yourself have expressed difficulty with your reads this game

I want to get the process moving is all because we have to do like ~8 of these? and we're giving more time for scum to manipulate things

then we vote on a PoE and get "the process" completed

all at once

. i wrote an entire wall about how doing this piecemeal is going to fuck things up and the event design is meant to mess with people's thinking in that fashion

and I don't think last phase was rushed anyways - I don't really see a world where Infinity was not the elim there

well obviously that was the wrong decision and i am not satisfied with the thinking that went into it and feel there is a need for re-evaluation. i am confused why you seem content to mostly barrel ahead

ok I see re the first thing you said
but are you saying you would have rather died than Infinity??

[SirCakez]

ok yeah maybe Harley is town maybe Toog is town yada yada we tinfoil all day

but my other townreads are just WAY stronger
Peta, Gamma, Ydra, Taly, Gamma all just feel obviously town to me
with three scum left that means there aren't that many other people who can be town

[SirCakez]

lmao I said Gamma twice

[SirCakez]

12 alive
4 strong TRs + me leaves 7
3/7 are scum

want to get rid of Harley, Toog, Uly, Gypyx
Skitter and Dwlee are big question marks for me right now

[SirCakez]

Well, there are two gammas.

ahahahahahaha right right I'm not insane

corrected:

12 alive
5 strong TRs + me leaves 6
3/6 are scum

want to get rid of Harley, Toog, Uly, Gypyx
Skitter and Dwlee are big question marks for me right now

[SirCakez]

cakez why are you so insistent on rushing everything when it's clear that making hasty decisions led us down a bad path last event and you yourself have expressed difficulty with your reads this game

I want to get the process moving is all because we have to do like ~8 of these? and we're giving more time for scum to manipulate things

then we vote on a PoE and get "the process" completed

all at once

. i wrote an entire wall about how doing this piecemeal is going to fuck things up and the event design is meant to mess with people's thinking in that fashion

and I don't think last phase was rushed anyways - I don't really see a world where Infinity was not the elim there

well obviously that was the wrong decision and i am not satisfied with the thinking that went into it and feel there is a need for re-evaluation. i am confused why you seem content to mostly barrel ahead

ok I see re the first thing you said
but are you saying you would have rather died than Infinity??

i'm not saying i'd rather have died

but i was responsible for voting infinity into that spot last phase and realized my reasoning was quite bad especially as i should have been clearing them rather than suspecting them and so some amount of re-evaluating is necessary, i don't want to rest lazily on assumptions (i am working on this right now)

I see I am interested in your new evaluation

[SirCakez]

Ngl I’m mindmelding with Cakez pretty strongly on those TRs
I’d add skitter to mine tho

see I had Skitter as town earlier but they have not felt as good to me this phase and the POE is getting smaller like I said

[SirCakez]

nunununu i cant really post because occupied and phone but dwlee now using “reevaluating” to possibly exclude me after treating me as definitely town for pink pt is !!!!! like something is definitely afoot

like how would this happen with multiple people most of whom dwlee included haven’t given reasoning and when they have it was literally the posts of a flipped mafia

What does the second line even mean

And you can complain about my reeval but I literally just reread this game phase and started townbinning people if their day start was good to me or mindmelded with me in some way

like five people randomly starting suspecting me here when it would be advantageous for them and the only one who has given any reasoning whatsoever is sircakez whose reasoning is posts dunnstral made like it feels impossible to me that there would not be at least one mafia involved in that possibly more

this doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

sircakez you silly little man did you bus dunn like you bussed in final fantasy

I didn't even bus in final fantasy

[SirCakez]

nunununu i cant really post because occupied and phone but dwlee now using “reevaluating” to possibly exclude me after treating me as definitely town for pink pt is !!!!! like something is definitely afoot

like how would this happen with multiple people most of whom dwlee included haven’t given reasoning and when they have it was literally the posts of a flipped mafia

What does the second line even mean

And you can complain about my reeval but I literally just reread this game phase and started townbinning people if their day start was good to me or mindmelded with me in some way

like five people randomly starting suspecting me here when it would be advantageous for them and the only one who has given any reasoning whatsoever is sircakez whose reasoning is posts dunnstral made like it feels impossible to me that there would not be at least one mafia involved in that possibly more

this doesn't make any sense

how not?

why would mafia randomly gang up on you here?

[SirCakez]

sircakez you silly little man did you bus dunn like you bussed in final fantasy

Idk if he is in his normal bussing meta but I’m very skeptical of that when that claim seems to be about a 1/3 pool from event 3, and I’m pretty sure there were other suspects of his I need to double-check from event 1

my bussing meta has been dead for a while now ftr
I used to literally bus my whole team every scumgame lmao
now I occasionally bus but only if I have to or if my buddy is just total deadweight to the point it'll look suspicious if I don't

[SirCakez]

sircakez you silly little man did you bus dunn like you bussed in final fantasy

I didn't even bus in final fantasy

You very much did even if you didn’t push through scum wagons
You were closer to Among Us!Cakez than DotDF!Cakez

ok well I don't consider it bussing unless I'm actually trying to get the person pushed through
I feel like I just did normal distancing in FF

I kind of want to give the car keys to Cakez. Let him decide for the group.

lol you have way too much faith in me or you're scum and think I'll do a shit job

[SirCakez]

Here ya go.

My first 4 across would be Cakez, dwlee, Gamma, and then myself, in that order. If no one dies, and game isn't over, well, we at least have something to talk about.

this isn't a horrible list

[SirCakez]

honestly I forgot I was scumreading Ceph that portion of the game was nearly an irl month ago

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Taly this is fine

@Gamma atm I want to leave Toog, Uly, Harley, Gypyx

why would mafia randomly gang up on you here?

a) it could just be one as i said, but i don't think mafia would not participate in as a whole, though two-three definitely seems possible if trying to win game here

and

b) to stop me from crossing? like it's one less slot that could be occupied by mafia and they get rid of me and they limit my participation in choosing who should cross by making it seem like i'm scumread it's not super complicated

ok but you're arguing that like there's some conspiracy here and it just seems like dressed up OMGUS

cakez why do you want to get rid of ulyana

i am probably most confident in you being town right now but i don't really see that read, other than non-interaction with dunn but in my coverage that could apply to a significant number of people so i don't think it's really telling, and there are some signs from his iso that are +town for her

what are these signs?

I just dislike Gypyx's ISO and feel kind of weird how he became an overnight universal scumread.

I don't really SR Gypyx but they are a slot who needs to go before late-game so this is the time to cut them

UNVOTE:

omg I need to stop being conversational, I want to do analysis but I don't have the attention span

Someone force me to stfu and ISO.

i still don't have a good read on you and feel vaguely apprehensive but

let's try working together to go over people? i want someone to use as a sounding board this game and was hoping to use cakez but it seems like he doesn't have the time, and you seem to be the only other person with a strong inclination to tryhard right now. i want to feel like i'm not totally isolated in this game

yes use Taly
I only really have time to come to each game a couple times a day at most these days

[SirCakez]

Spoiler: lol spoilers

VOTE: Taly this is fine

@Gamma atm I want to leave Toog, Uly, Harley, Gypyx

why would mafia randomly gang up on you here?

a) it could just be one as i said, but i don't think mafia would not participate in as a whole, though two-three definitely seems possible if trying to win game here

and

b) to stop me from crossing? like it's one less slot that could be occupied by mafia and they get rid of me and they limit my participation in choosing who should cross by making it seem like i'm scumread it's not super complicated

ok but you're arguing that like there's some conspiracy here and it just seems like dressed up OMGUS

cakez why do you want to get rid of ulyana

i am probably most confident in you being town right now but i don't really see that read, other than non-interaction with dunn but in my coverage that could apply to a significant number of people so i don't think it's really telling, and there are some signs from his iso that are +town for her

what are these signs?

I just dislike Gypyx's ISO and feel kind of weird how he became an overnight universal scumread.

I don't really SR Gypyx but they are a slot who needs to go before late-game so this is the time to cut them

UNVOTE:

omg I need to stop being conversational, I want to do analysis but I don't have the attention span

Someone force me to stfu and ISO.

i still don't have a good read on you and feel vaguely apprehensive but

let's try working together to go over people? i want someone to use as a sounding board this game and was hoping to use cakez but it seems like he doesn't have the time, and you seem to be the only other person with a strong inclination to tryhard right now. i want to feel like i'm not totally isolated in this game

yes use Taly
I only really have time to come to each game a couple times a day at most these days

Nah, sorry

Cakez

. The charm of being the first person to cross has worn off.

I want to ride this solve-with-

Peta

vibing for as long as it goes. Plus, his advice was sound. If I risk my death, it's better that I spilled my guts on the game as much as possible, and I hate doing that in the dead thread.

Also because

Gammagooey

doubling down and EMPHASIZING that I am the

only

person he thus far wants to attach a crossing order to, piques my interest immensely. I honestly trust it.

And because

Ydra

being like

"tHiS iS a MiStAkE"

made me double-take when I first read it.

VOTE: Dwlee, I initially thought

Gamma

, but

Gamma/Ydra/Cakez/Toog

all joining to vote me both gives me fuzzy vibes and also something I want to pay attention to.

Hell, I'd probably vote

Gamma

if someone told me to.

you can still talk if you cross no? are you worried scum are gonna dump you?

[SirCakez]

Taly/gooyey/Peta: please all regale me with your impressive scumhunting abilities (assuming you’re all town, well still pretty sure Taly still is) and tell me who my hypothetical buddies are?

*crickets*

*bookmarking this post when none of you have an answer*



When people realize that I don’t make sense as buddies with ANYONE, that will be priceless.

I’ll wait.

preflip associatives are gross

[SirCakez]

I'm fine sending Peta first too if the wind is blowing that way

[SirCakez]

if y'all are ready to move on then vote

[SirCakez]

We vote for the next person to cross.

Dwlee

will either successfully cross or be resolved when we have chosen our next crosser.

VOTE: Ulyana

no I don't want Uly to cross yet let's send some more townie people like Peta or you

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma emerald
this is fine

I actually don't like Uly's self-vote when Dwlee was obviously the one going

[SirCakez]

I don't know what the fuck to do with the Saber/Harley Quinn slot
I think Saber's later activity was unquestionably scummy but Harley's last few posts before repping out seemed like reallllly genuine frustration

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma emerald
this is fine

I actually don't like Uly's self-vote when Dwlee was obviously the one going

oh yeah why not? did you also object to my plan that suggested as such (which i also think had a much better chance of making mafia's planning here much worse but alas)? a plan which peta also agreed with

i missed whatever you suggested sorry

[SirCakez]

because there was literally nothing wrong with sending Dwlee

[SirCakez]

Dwlee dying sucks but also I was struggling to read them so ig it's better than alternatives

[SirCakez]

VOTE: petapan

[SirCakez]

i feel like we can definitely get four town in a row here

[SirCakez]

Also makes me think a bit pre-kill.

Did you ever support the You/Ulya cross plan or fif you just want Gamma/Dwlee? I'm curious about what you wanted cross-wise pre-Gamma cross.

I just wanted to go straight for it with my moderate townreads because I want Uly to stay
Thanks for giving me the rundown w/Harley I think they are probably still scum if this has happened before

[SirCakez]

Why is

ulya

scum,

cakez

?

I feel like i've talked about this a lot...

[SirCakez]

Gamma/Ydra/Cakez/Ulya

, am I a hard to read player?

I don't think so? but I don't think I've played versus scum!you

Gamma

how do you feel about a

Peta/Gammagooey/You/Me

towncore?

this wasn't aimed at me but this is pretty much my towncore right now

I know Ulyana said she wasn't asking about them right now but I do think sharing the reasons/logic behind a few things you asked earlier would be helpful so Ulyana can see where you're coming from better.

it's infinitely more useful in the moment like i ask people who are there when i am for a reason

my general point was

taly, if town,

is making himself intentionally difficult to read

so taly asking 'am i difficult to read?'

is ridiculous

or possibly cheeky

also this is not even true

[SirCakez]

So Cakez framing Ulya's vote as a distraction from a Dwlee cross is untrue.

If mafia really did have the intentional plan of killing whatever townie crosses first, Cakez-scum would want a townie that he currently agrees is town as to not suspect him.

I'm currently weighing this against whether Cakez actually believes Ulya is scum and doesn't want her to cross.

I got the timeline of events confused I will admit this

[SirCakez]

I'm going to make a move based on my reading so far. I know the odds of me getting left behind are strong and this game was more voluminous than I expected.

I still feel good about Toog and Skitter being town. I want them across next.

VOTE: Toog

no one is going to put Toog across

It feels like a perspective slip on Cakez's part who could've known that Dwlee was either the preferred mafia choice/kill or desire to keep Ulya from crossing as to protect his push on her.

this doesn't make any sense though
why do I have to be mafia to not want Uly to cross? I don't want them to cross because they are my scumread.

I think the mod wouldn’t give scum multiple kills in 1 event via sabotage
So the fact they already had 1 means I don’t think they’re getting another
All that to say we should just send over peta/taly/gooey rn

yes we should send the whole towncore now and then we'll know if there's a deepwolf or we just win

[SirCakez]

where cakez/elsa had this weird bussing thing (even if he doesnt call it that) going on which was part of why they were caught out

that was distancing not bussing! I didn't actually want Elsa to get yeeted there

[SirCakez]

If four successive town players reach the other side before scum make a kill, all scum die.

ohhhh I misunderstood the rules
again

[SirCakez]

i hate mechanical puzzles games and that's literally this entire game lmao i'm punishing myself

[SirCakez]

Fucking dumb that Uly crossed

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ydrasse

[SirCakez]

Ydra, Gammagooey, you

[SirCakez]

or ofc me

[SirCakez]

Ydrasse, Tamora's Angel, SirCakez, Firebringer, Gypyx, Toogeloo, Gammagooey

From the uncrossed I guess leave Tamora's Angel, Toog, Gypyx, ???
Firebringer? ughhh

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gammagooey

[SirCakez]

if the universal scumreads/leave behind people are all town I think this game is just lost anyways

[SirCakez]

Haven't read I see gooey crossing I'm fije with Ydra next then I want to go

VOTE: ydrasse

[SirCakez]

Do you think

Tamora/Cakez

could be S/S?

possibly. Tamora is only one ive been iffy on since i got in and i was kind of thinking cakez telling me the people to send of not including himself (originally) was kind of weird for him.

I deadass forgot I needed to cross myself I swear

firebringer's posting so far ingame is entirely NAI

this
although it doesn't matter at this point he should get left behind

VOTE: SirCakez
I personally lean Cakez out of everyone to cross next, but the two things I'm confident on this game are Tamora/Firebringer-scum (b/c of Saber/HQ and skitter's play) and I'm pretty willing to openly wheel and deal with my vote to make sure they're left uncrossed.

TALY

you probably disagree with me on Cakez over Ydrasse crossing next, and I think you've mentioned that you think Cakez is a likely busser of Dunn - are there any specifics you could point me to on why you feel that way?

oh hey there's a taly

i want the slot yeeted because i've 180'd on them 3 times and i've yet to see a strong reply to my suspicions on them.

well make up your mind then!

[SirCakez]

i'm sad A50 replaced into a slot that is almost definitely getting left

[SirCakez]

A50's rep-in seems like how he'd come in here as scum too altho I admit to being confbiased

[SirCakez]

ugh I really just wish we had a normal elim
this game is such a hassle

[SirCakez]

so it seems like everyone is decided on leaving Tamora's Angel, SirCakez, me, Almost50 and now we are just waiting on order of last few to cross.

what is holding us up

Who said this? Toog should still stay

[SirCakez]

Sort of bad week for me so I've been skimming

[SirCakez]

No send Ydrasse and me and leave Toog this isn't a mystery

[SirCakez]

I think Peta is scum

[SirCakez]

I think Peta is scum

nice, knew it was too good to last

i was joking cuz you said you pocketed me

[SirCakez]

VOTE: cakez
I can go now; I've learned my lesson about dying for someone else I townread
only person I know 100% to be town is me

[SirCakez]

I really don't think Toog should cross - I think that slot is just gonna remain a huge question mark until they go

[SirCakez]

my best jokes are deadpan
duh

[SirCakez]

The fact that so many people who are in the bottom want me to carry the torch and cross as their representative tells me that at least two scum are across, possibly all three.

also this post is just so gross

[SirCakez]

Ugh. I'm so annoyed when I hear the posts saying that more than 1 scum has crossed. Who could be scum that has crossed?

It just feels like a thinly veiled attempt to doubtcast a townbloc. Especially since half the plist that hasn't crossed has generally been on the silent side.

@Peta Taly basically said it

[SirCakez]

Yeah no I'm not keen on keeping both

Peta/Cakez

Event 6.

I think

unwnd

was a mislim opportunity that was instigated by

Cakez's

drunken inflation of ego.

Also do not think

Cakez's

view of

Ulya's

posts and cross wagon progression in respect to

Dwlee's

wagon is realistic, I mentioned not long ago.

And I feel like

Cakez

has largely gone with the thread's idea of scum for most of the game, and I agree with

Peta's

original case in that he started this game shading most slots.

I just don't follow a town mentality with

Cakez

, most of their replies to my suspicion throughout the game has either been

"focus on this, not me"

and it doesn't seem to be a difficult position for scum to take.

this is just ridiculous because I'm pretty sure I'm the only one really pushing on uly!scum right now and I've also stated more than once that I don't think the whole LHF-y group is scum but I think they all need to get out of the game so we can figure out if there are deepwolves and who they are
and your concerns on me have pretty much just been "hmm he's frustrating me/I don't know what to do with him/I've 180ed on him a lot" which are all you problems

[SirCakez]

also I don't think that everyone left behind is just gonna die - there will probably be some weird catch to it because this game is bullshit fuckery like that and it also wasn't even explicitly stated that they would all die

[SirCakez]

*blows raspberry at cakez*

blows raspberry back

[SirCakez]

Ugh. I'm so annoyed when I hear the posts saying that more than 1 scum has crossed. Who could be scum that has crossed?

It just feels like a thinly veiled attempt to doubtcast a townbloc. Especially since half the plist that hasn't crossed has generally been on the silent side.

@Peta Taly basically said it

thing is, do they say that knowing their teammates are flipping? are they broadcasting TMI that their teammates are across? idgi.

can easily see it from a self-absorbed town perspective which mostly fits how their play has been this game

some dissonance i guess in that they say they trust taly but are mostly bitching & whining about their reads altho thats consistent with most of the game

i think this depends on what the event actually ends up doing when it ends
which scum know I think? or it's implied by how things have been going

[SirCakez]

Yeah no I'm not keen on keeping both

Peta/Cakez

Event 6.

I think

unwnd

was a mislim opportunity that was instigated by

Cakez's

drunken inflation of ego.

Also do not think

Cakez's

view of

Ulya's

posts and cross wagon progression in respect to

Dwlee's

wagon is realistic, I mentioned not long ago.

And I feel like

Cakez

has largely gone with the thread's idea of scum for most of the game, and I agree with

Peta's

original case in that he started this game shading most slots.

I just don't follow a town mentality with

Cakez

, most of their replies to my suspicion throughout the game has either been

"focus on this, not me"

and it doesn't seem to be a difficult position for scum to take.

this is just ridiculous because I'm pretty sure I'm the only one really pushing on uly!scum right now and I've also stated more than once that I don't think the whole LHF-y group is scum but I think they all need to get out of the game so we can figure out if there are deepwolves and who they are
and your concerns on me have pretty much just been "hmm he's frustrating me/I don't know what to do with him/I've 180ed on him a lot" which are all you problems

This is another problem

I'm not coming at this with a "kill LHF maybe" mentality

I'm trying to solve this game.

It's disingenuous to come up and say you're interested in finding deepwolves and scumresd a townblock that has developed the past week whenever your survival is in question.

wtf how did you even get this from what I said? I don't even know if there are deepwolves but we won't know until we get rid of the universally thought as sketchy slots like A50 and Tamora's Angel

[SirCakez]

i don’t really believe almost50 thinks it’s scummy that i saw two uncrossed people pushing the same exact thing in a very hurried manner and thought this was suspicious so much so that i am the very most likely scum to them it just doesn’t make sense

iirc (and I may very well be misremembering) the reason I said you're 100% Scum (after I said you were the scummiest poster earlier) is that my SRs from the PT were trying to argue you were Town for ridiculous reasons or something like that. The TRs were bringing up how Scummy you were regarding Dunn specifically suggesting you were his p.

ah so you and sircakez both believe i am scum solely because dunnstral potentially tried to make it look that way?

nothing about my actual posts and such just secondhand reads based on the posting of flipped scum?

and wouldn’t the ones making those bad arguments for town!me (who i may also be scumreading) be the more likely scum in that situation not me?

this is such bullshit I've said more than once that there are other reasons I find you scummy and you keep framing it like it's just Dunn so you can strawman the arguments

[SirCakez]

It just seems like a stance to take if you don't want resistance. And there is still an implication of a deepeolf and I'm not sure what about the gamestate gives you the impression that multiple scum have crossed.

I literally did not say that
Again
I actually attacked Toog for saying that.
Are you getting our posts mixed up?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sircakez

[SirCakez]

ulyana is desperate to discredit me and that alone is scummy

[SirCakez]

you can write it off as playstyle but that doesn't make the argument go away

[SirCakez]

It just seems like a stance to take if you don't want resistance. And there is still an implication of a deepeolf and I'm not sure what about the gamestate gives you the impression that multiple scum have crossed.

I literally did not say that
Again
I actually attacked Toog for saying that.
Are you getting our posts mixed up?

I didn't say you said that. I just don't understand your POV being that multiple scum has crossed when we have already crossed people with decent confidence in the townbloc and you haven't been crossed yet.

Like, why is

peta

now scum, and why didn't you reevaluate your stance on

Ulya's

self-vote when I challenged you?

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Where did I ever once say I thought multiple scum had crossed already
I was joking about my Peta scumread come on I said so earlier
What stance on Ulya self vote? When Dwlee crossed and Ulya voted for themself? I feel like I already said I misunderstood the context of that and disregarded it. Doesn't mean my Ulya SR is going anyways.

[SirCakez]

This game is pissing me off

[SirCakez]

I joked with Peta because he said he had pocketed me so I was like "lol what if I just slapped that back in his face"

[SirCakez]

Right now I'd be like

Town: Peta, Gammagooey, Gamma Emerald
Nulltown: Ydra, Taly
Null: Toog, Firebringer
Nullscum: Almost50 (mainly because I feel like his entrance here was his scum game)
Scum: Tamora's Angel, Ulyana

[SirCakez]

so as you can see if I'm picked we can literally wipe all my null/scumreads out except for Uly so that's my ideal right now

[SirCakez]

I forgot Prism was even in this game

[SirCakez]

Right now I'd be like

Town: Peta, Gammagooey, Gamma Emerald
Nulltown: Ydra, Taly
Null: Toog, Firebringer
Nullscum: Almost50 (mainly because I feel like his entrance here was his scum game)
Scum: Tamora's Angel, Ulyana

So I'm calling both my scum partners confirmed Scum? PERFECT!

not doing preflips stop with this

he's convinced that I'm spewing incoherent bullshit

you are you literally admitted to it lol

[SirCakez]

accepting your death also is not a reliable towntell I've used it to get out of elims as scum and seen scum use it too

[SirCakez]

It just seems like a stance to take if you don't want resistance. And there is still an implication of a deepeolf and I'm not sure what about the gamestate gives you the impression that multiple scum have crossed.

I literally did not say that
Again
I actually attacked Toog for saying that.
Are you getting our posts mixed up?

I didn't say you said that. I just don't understand your POV being that multiple scum has crossed when we have already crossed people with decent confidence in the townbloc and you haven't been crossed yet.

Like, why is

peta

now scum, and why didn't you reevaluate your stance on

Ulya's

self-vote when I challenged you?

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Where did I ever once say I thought multiple scum had crossed already
I was joking about my Peta scumread come on I said so earlier
What stance on Ulya self vote? When Dwlee crossed and Ulya voted for themself? I feel like I already said I misunderstood the context of that and disregarded it. Doesn't mean my Ulya SR is going anyways.

Oh right you did.

OK fine I concede on the

Ulya

point but I don't understand why you'd joke on a

Peta

scumread.

I want a transparent readslist.

[SirCakez]

I'm taking bad faith towards you because your scumread on me doesn't make any sense
I can accept when a townread scumreads me for reasons that make sense but your reasoning doesn't process for me at all

[SirCakez]

How long have you felt like the

Gypyx

slot was scum,

Cakez

?

I actually thought he was town earlier but then he did like nothing in more recent times and then I really don't like A50's positioning here
that said it's not my strongest SR

[SirCakez]

there's also some healthy POE in there

[SirCakez]

Also I get the sense that A50 is trying to use the thing I just mentioned like accepting death to get townreads

[SirCakez]

I'm so high
Good time to solve this game

[SirCakez]

I'm annoyed TA did not die they were my highest suspect in that group
Surprised Skitter was scum

[SirCakez]

Chance of a deep wolf is considerably higher - if TA is town then one is basically guaranteed

[SirCakez]

I'm not 100% to be rid of A50 and Toog though they were such huge question marks

[SirCakez]

100% sad

[SirCakez]

i think im okay sending the four people you just listed to heaven but i need to think abt it a bit

I concur if both scum are in that four the game is lost anyways lmao

[SirCakez]

Why has your suspicion of me lessened?

[SirCakez]

Also I bet the heaven players get to pick who dies and hell is picked

[SirCakez]

I probably should not go to heaven because enough people are suspicious of me that I'd problematic in LyLo

[SirCakez]

i feel like,

me/gammagooey/peta/ydrasse

right now,

but need to review

Uh no

[SirCakez]

Yeah skitter snowed me again it happened rip

[SirCakez]

I don't have a good grasp on her scum game

[SirCakez]

Taly: purgatory
Gamma Emerald: hell
petapan: heaven
Gammagooey: heaven
Ydrasse: purgatory
Cakez: hell
Ulyana: heaven
TA: hell

This read list highlights a problem I have with your play that might be scum-indicative: your suspicion of me and Cakez don’t feel based in any logic at this point. You’ve

constantly

had it out for us, and I can’t think of a real reason why you’d be acting this way aside from you just pushing some scum agenda.

This

[SirCakez]

Happy birthday Taly!

[SirCakez]

i feel like,

me/gammagooey/peta/ydrasse

right now,

but need to review

Uh no

which of those three do you think was bussing firebringer?

I obviously was not referring to the other three

[SirCakez]

Ulya/Ydra
Ulya/Cakez
Ulya/TA
Ydra/Cakez
Ydra/TA
Cakez/TA

Anybody have a preference for which interactions I ISO first?

all of the ones involving me are going to show i’m unpartnered and are unnecessary

this post is disgusting

[SirCakez]

oooof does skitter have me pocketed here?

said this because the POE is stronger and something about their entrance today irked me

bro...

what? I ended up being right.

i tihnk skitter was trying to powerwolf with cakez though (which makes me feel a little silly about the end of last event but doing so woulda been protown anyway)

I haven't had a successful powerwolf game in like half a decade lmao

this doesn't really matter anyways since I'm going to Hell

[SirCakez]

Taly: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald, peta, Cakez
Gamma Emerald: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald, peta, Cakez
petapan: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald, peta, Cakez
Gammagooey: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald, peta, Cakez
Ydrasse:
Cakez: GEmerald
Ulyana: Ulyana
TA:

[SirCakez]

I mean it's really obvious who everyone thinks the four should be don't think we really need to go any further

[SirCakez]

this post is disgusting

well you aren’t my partner, right? do you think my interactions with either of the other two indicate we are partnered? like what’s your point here

I don't like the general sentiment of the post

[SirCakez]

what? I ended up being right.

it's a v. awkward post

uh i guess

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald for Heaven

[SirCakez]

VOTE: taly

[SirCakez]

lets make it happen

[SirCakez]

yeah that's at least 5 votes and there's only 8 alive

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Tamara's angel
This is autopilot at this point

[SirCakez]

if someone argues against the pretty much universally agreed upon 4-4 sets I'm pretty sure they are scum

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gammagooey

zzzz

[SirCakez]

VOTE: cakez
Rabble rabble

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma emerald

Uly is desperate scum ignore them

[SirCakez]

We have a universally agreed upon pool don't let it get torn up

[SirCakez]

Taly don't entertain the scum

[SirCakez]

GE is hammered for heaven now
let's send Uly to Hell next to ensure there's no wiggling out

[SirCakez]

it doesn't even matter Gamma is already hammered to Heaven

[SirCakez]

Wow
GG

[SirCakez]

I feel like such an idiot savant this game. I voted Execute on Gamma, and shot two scum. None of which I really had any control over, but makes me look good lol.

You're so underrated we all underestimated you this game

[SirCakez]

Taly you were great this game!