CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[Cephrir]

ok, now that i've done most of the skims i wanted to do, im at something like

{std, catboi, mala}
{mush, andante, norwee}
{mastina, toog, galron}
{dunn, roden}
{tictac, bell}

i still need to skim bears i guess since idk where to put them.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: dunn

dont have enough reason not to, the only thing ive really liked from him was the attack on bell

[Cephrir]

...i didnt skim roden wtf me

[Cephrir]

ok ive now done that and it didnt really make me feel any kind of way

[Cephrir]

idk i tried voting him earlier and no one cared do you think that's gettable

[Cephrir]

ok let's try it

VOTE: tictac

[Cephrir]

Why is my dunn vote a boneless push as opposed to me deciding I dont object to the leading wagon

Ur determined to frame everything I do as from scum idk why

[Cephrir]

Hey catboi

I know you're not feeling it but you're the only one who can make this not an L. The town leaders are nowhere close to a solution. Be the change pls I cant do this alone.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: dunn

as promised

3/5

I'm fine with letting the claim sit, bears are going to bellyache until they get their elimination on dunn so I'd rather get it over with

4/5

I'm fine with letting the claim sit, bears are going to bellyache until they get their elimination on dunn so I'd rather get it over with

4/5

and to be clear dunn's not a townread of mine so w/e

This isnt exactly enthusiastic support. This is "bears are too loud I give up."

[Cephrir]

There is a reason the calm and reasonable town leaders died

[Cephrir]

Tbh bears are prob town just by virtue of the fact that scum want them to run the game

Idk andante. I'm probably going to try to focus on something else with my day at this point.

[Cephrir]

Grendel and thewayitends, pressure consistent throughout the day. barely any counter wagons. basically just get flashwagoned.
ircher: ten different wagons get brought up. lots of resistance
Dunn: wall cases on five different people, ten counter wagons

-noraa

This implies that you feel scum pushed grendel and twie. So when and how? Was dunn pushing them (I dont remember)? Sell me on your perspective

[Cephrir]

the iso LOOKS LIKE SCUM

Case it then. This is meaningless. "Vibes" have gotten us mislims this game.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: dunn

Whatever

[Cephrir]

Lets take a little dive into LLD's reads. The top, most confident read was cephrir scum. Did LLD die for being reasonable? LLD was barely here for a good half of the time she was alive in the game.
Why was LLD killed? Was she even a town leader? Yeah she led the Ircher wagon but her post frequency was quite low.
Why did LLD die?

Well here are her reads:
roden town, bell nullscum, cephrir scum, mush town, fenrir nullscum, catboi town, tet town, ircher scum

-noraa

She never mentions her suspicion of me again after post 374. I think she would have figured it out by now

[Cephrir]

I cant tell you enough how much I would love to trade any of yall to have her back at this point. We are so far off the rails rn

[Cephrir]

Lmao isoing myself to find my previous post about the LLD kill and I'm so town yall are actually wack

[Cephrir]

I cant tell you enough how much I would love to trade any of yall to have her back at this point. We are so far off the rails rn

so far off the rails? really? how come you didnt think we were off the rails when a town tracker got eliminated without a claim? you didn't even seem concerned with that.

-noraa

?? When was I supposed to be concerned about that of course that's partly what i mean by off the rails but i didnt know what they would flip nor did i ask for them to be quickhammered

[Cephrir]

Idk I think LLD could have been killed for reasons other than her reads. If their n1 kill did indeed fail they might have avoided obvious protection targets n2

Or it's just a rolecop, or maybe they saw her making the save n1 somehow, or etc.

[Cephrir]

Also, reputation

[Cephrir]

Tet was not a ceph scum person he was mildly concerned and also admitted to being a power role come on

[Cephrir]

n ur iso looks scummy anyway so like ???

This is meaningless. Put up or shut up

[Cephrir]

if this day drags on i'll probably get to it. Ceph is in the back of my mind as "if i'm wrong on a townread its probably ceph" but i also feel that way about std. I'd have to get the time to devote brainpower towards figuring it out though.

Wow big scumread

Mush if I were scum and wanted to kill my detractors I would have killed *you*

[Cephrir]

I hate to admit this thing that doesnt support my views but if tet were killed for reads, he wasnt a big fan of std or andante

[Cephrir]

Ircher calls 3 of 4 flipped town, scum.
It's highly likely that neutral scum is all town though if there was one that wasn't, i'd say it's mastina since I have also heard massy is more inactive as scum. I think neutral town is all town.
So the whole scum team is in leaning town, null and the people not put in the list.

-noraa

Ircher knew he was going down at this point and that post is pure unadulterated wifom and should be ignored

[Cephrir]

listen. ceph. do u want to 1v1 me? cuz ill 1v1 u here. hell u got even odds, i lost some cred for bein on town wagons, not bein 2 smart, havin a fight w my own headmate in public. if u go hard maybe u get me out of this game. lets say ur town: its p obvious u n me r not gonna both b in the endgame w/o some shit goin v wrong for town. lets go, lets make this whole game move easier

n u tell me who u trust 2 run ur legacy, yea? if u come up green i will jus straight sheep till endgame fuckin promise u.

I dont suspect you why would I 1v1 you

I just want you to back up your shit

Regardless, if anything were to happen to me, std and catboi are who I wish were in charge

[Cephrir]

I hate to admit this thing that doesnt support my views but if tet were killed for reads, he wasnt a big fan of std or andante

no one ever said tet was killed for reads. i think tet was killed bc scum team thought they were a pr. i'll have to reread but that's the vibes i get.

-noraa

Mush literally just accused me of this so actually someone did say that

[Cephrir]

tellin u ceph. we gonna need to duke this out 1 way or the other cuz theres no way we both make it 2 endgame n ur faction has a fun time whatever ur faction is. like 1 of us is goin down either way.

I am inviting you to come at me

I dont intend on coming for you in return. I think you're wrong town and being kept alive so you can continue to be wrong

[Cephrir]

well okay then

[Cephrir]

Good morning

I'm pretty sure andante is blatantly in town meta + looks unpartnered with dunn on a quick glace but is also prone to chasing whatever car happens to drive by

Rarely has any player fit their avatar so excellently

Anyway we arent killing andante today/ideally ever

[Cephrir]

but real question, cause I don't remember anyone saying anything, I got mail last night, why haven't I heard of anyone else getting mail? idk what it means

Since we're talking about it, I got some too, I just didnt see any reason to bring it up in case there was some secret thing going on

[Cephrir]

ok I'm caught up. I need to reassess, Nora's got her game on.

Andante is my 3P/Mold Distributor guess.

We should pretty much be cleared at this point, and the reads that are coming out of us are pretty damned good imo

-Pinkie and the Brain bears

pedit Ceph comes in and makes me wanna hit that vote button....

Yes I still exist sorry

[Cephrir]

I'm not looking to push anywhere yet, need to do some digging when I have time

[Cephrir]

ok yeah reading tictacs posts today, YIKES YIKES YIKES. red flags all over the place.

i still have too many srs though. like mastina, cephrir, toog?, andante?, fenrir? for scum
andante and norwee for 3p
by my calculations, we have 4 scum left. 3 scum and 1 3p. thinking about 3p hunting has like broken my brain

-noraa

here, i'll help: your (& everyone else's) fixation on me is silly

it's honestly just funny to me that i've tried pushing tictac multiple times but as soon as i'm not pushing it everyone is happy to. i'm so hated in this town it's actually absurd

[Cephrir]

can we do some analysis today instead of running headlong into whatever shiny object

[Cephrir]

if that means straightening out thoughts on me and making any cases there that need to be made, i would welcome it

i am sick of it and my actual posts this game (vs. attributing scum motivation to any action i take because *spooky hands*) have been town as shit so reread them and figure it out please

[Cephrir]

main takeaway from dunn iso is that andante continues to not be scum just like she has not been scum since the dawn of time

Ircher's role mentions factional kill (+strongman) which disproves the theory that scum use the moss as their factional poison/kill

And today two people are dead, and Bears is alive

And the moss seems suspicious from a flavor point of view, it's hard to imagine that from a town role - I haven't played the game though.
Who is mossed today?

what are the chances this post is legit?

Why are both you and STD ignoring the fact that Ircher and I went at each other D1 and D2?

And that I pretty heavily softed how I knew that Ircher hadn't been Roleblocked?

What are you claiming here?

a little +town for roden here i think

[Cephrir]

what are the chances this post is legit?

im sorry are you telling me i hard bussed my buddy who was floating along perfectly fine for no actual reason?

no, i mean the speculation about the mold. you're clearly town

[Cephrir]

also seems weird that he would accidentally call it moss if it were a scum mechanic.

[Cephrir]

what are the chances this post is legit?

im sorry are you telling me i hard bussed my buddy who was floating along perfectly fine for no actual reason?

no, i mean the speculation about the mold. you're clearly town

we've already established that mold is not town since like a while ago lmao. and we already established that it wasnt a delayed kill either.

yeah, but his post seems to suggest it is not scum either

idk, could just be a misdirect

[Cephrir]

I'm always town, ask toog

mhm. then what do you think about me? what's my alignment?

-noraa

I've been waffling, despite what Mushshanga would have you believe I'm not locked into the idea that Tet checked you.

I don't agree that Andante is town. They seem transparently scum to me. To that extent I guess Roden isn't my preferred wagon today, but I'm not going to fight against it.

It is amusing to me that after ~15 pages of nonsense between you and Cephrir, they revealed that the big thing they saw was what I was already talking about ~18 pages ago anyway, down to the letter.

I didn't find what Titus was doing with vca and me/toog to be towny. Especially because the vca shows your slot and Tet on the wagon that you say will be good for information.

interesting that andante and roden are treated differently here, and... (continued 2 snips below)

not sure why we think dunn decided to dunk on me here if i'm his partner c:

Why are both you and STD ignoring the fact that Ircher and I went at each other D1 and D2? And that I pretty heavily softed how I knew that Ircher hadn't been Roleblocked?

i want to either go find this or have it produced for me

VOTE: Andante

Moving my vote where my mouth is, will continue to consider Roden claim.

...he goes on to not take the opportunity to board the roden wagon which was at like 5 here.

Oh nice, Catboi's in and already towning it up.

@Nora:

I think we should still elim Ircher since he still has a pretty high chance of flipping red, even now he still won't address the reads on him and he isn't scum hunting. If he flips town, I think it's still a good info flip and we won't have people tunneled on a slot that isn't doing all that much.

Also heavily disagree about sending investigative roles to check Ircher. I do agree with the reasoning but we definitely shouldn't call out who the investigative roles target, if scum have a Watcher then they'll easily find town PRs.

@Val:

I'll reply to you on Day 2 (or today if Ircher claims a PR and people get cold feet), since I don't want to distract from the wagon and I don't expect to die tonight

.

This post is also bugging the shit out of me

it's almost like he knew that Ircher was gonna fake claim.

this post is pretty odd. i sort of want roden to claim the rest of the way but idk maybe it's bad.

[Cephrir]

i mean it just seems like you SR low posting slots but theres no way thats actually the solve right? it would be insane if it were.

sometimes it do be like that

im not sure if that's this game or not but im def townreading most of the people that are present atp

[Cephrir]

the most town he's ever been tho

i did not quite say this but fair enough ig

[Cephrir]

I didn't claim that I was molded until after you made this post.

Howwwwwwww did you know I was molded before I said I was molded?

bruh. are we really gonna do this.

This seems important

this is my 1 & only reservation about bears at this point, but maybe they have a role related explanation or something. they are almost certainly just town

[Cephrir]

andante has been so vocal about dunn all game AND provided a crucial vote yesterday at a point where it still could have not gone through. if you think this is scum i implore you to look at your life and look at your choices

[Cephrir]

andante has been so vocal about dunn all game AND provided a crucial vote yesterday at a point where it still could have not gone through. if you think this is scum i implore you to look at your life and look at your choices

thsi is a bad post. andante did not provide a crucial vote. andante spasmed between being on and off wagon and literally slowed down the wagon if anything.

i thought her 4th vote there was important, though i see now she removed it later

im still never voting there

[Cephrir]

i kinda feel like mastina's lack of participation is getting to the point of just being scum, but idk. i guess pushing me all game gives her cover to not actually vote the partners she's been bussing?

catboi's free pass for being greeting is close to its expiration date. does he have dunn claim that way just to get himself more towncred though? maybe not

[Cephrir]

it's not something i plan on considering anytime soon

i've read enough to be content with tictac happening, but i don't want to cut off discussion, we have done that too many times imo. there is aplenty of game here to be dug through and i would like more people to do it with me because this isn't actually something i excel at

[Cephrir]

@galron hi why aren't you playing this game?

[Cephrir]

@mastina hi why aren't your reads changing this game?

[Cephrir]

Scum are running out of wiggle room. I think today might be a good day for mass flavor claim.

??? Why

[Cephrir]

Hi mastina

I asked you a question

Feel free to get to that anytime

[Cephrir]

And, as I said, wiggle room is getting smaller. There's not many miselims left to find.

But what makes you think flavor claims will help with this

[Cephrir]

Why would I change my reads from thusfar-proven-accurate, to anything else?

I mean maybe because you decided what they were on page 5 and an entire game has been played in the interim.

[Cephrir]

If the vote was forced between Mastina/Ceph i would 100% vote Ceph just sayin.

That is frustrating.

[Cephrir]

And, as I said, wiggle room is getting smaller. There's not many miselims left to find.

But what makes you think flavor claims will help with this

It's nice to lock people into claims. Weren't you going ho for just one flavor claim lol? I would think you'd be supportive.

That was for a really specific reason

[Cephrir]

Do you not think Ceph has towntold these latest pages Mastina. I can't really see them as scummy atm.

I really don't see anything town from him at all to be honest.

I legit don't get why people are?

You wouldnt know anything town if it was right in front of your face.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: tictac

[Cephrir]

vote counts are a poor way to determine anyone's alignment

particularly just poi9nting at them and declaring a read on that basis. anyone can arrive at any read on anyone by staring at them long enough. please read motivations.

[Cephrir]

the only way you can make vca worse is by randomly preflipping me while you do it.

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

No hammers allowed

[Cephrir]

What is the difference between trying and looking busy other than the conclusion you're already fitting evidence to

I havent lied lol, I may not always fact check but that's a stretch

[Cephrir]

Ok I'm not really interested in the insults thanks anyway

[Cephrir]

You've given nothing substantive to my memory - and what you have, you lied about.

The only thing I can really remember of you was trying to force me to flavour claim.
Which, for having 463 posts is bad, even with my awful memory. Dipping your ISO your self assurance in how you read yourself is always going to set a flag off for me, you also go as far as "If I was scum..." which honestly seems to come more from scum ime.

You've also said you're going to skim and look over a lot of things but don't seem to be coming up with anything.

It's funny that you accuse me of lying and then go on to lie yourself? I have done the reading I've said I would do and the evidence is in the thread. You still havent even said what I've supposedly lied about. It's not my fault if you can't remember me doing anything; i have

[Cephrir]

I'm not interested in talking to this head anymore. You cant post without insulting me. Send someone else if your slot wants to interact with me.

[Cephrir]

I GOT MAIL!!!! And to my knowledge no one else even claimed mail lol

i got mail night 3

[Cephrir]

i always love getting letters from you <3

[Cephrir]

Dear Andante,



Love,
STD

[Cephrir]

Love,
Your Secret Admirer

[Cephrir]

i would like andante to give some depth on their reads

probably won't happen, unless you want depth on my arcade sr

yeah that's basically what i meant actually

hold up I think I'm confused on my ceph read tbh, cause like, my ONLY reads thus far have been dunn and ircher maf (ircher maf was a weaker, unpushed read)

this could be ceph partnered like "how do you SR my partner off 1 line..."

the proscum thing to do in this situation would be to not ask you to be more persuasive

[Cephrir]

Ceph do you have any scumgames i can look at.
I feel like that’s the most lazt but solvey thing i can do atm.

loads, ive been scum like 400 times in my last 401 games.

[Cephrir]

cant argue with that gg

[Cephrir]

Andante, NorwegianboyEE, Roden, Malakittens, The Three Bears,catboi, Cephrir (no particular order but all town)
Toogeloo,
mastina,
Save the Dragons
Galron,

bears would drop significantly on galron scumflip 4 obv reasons.
mastina would be town on bears scumflip (basically mastina doesn't believe noraa busses, so scum-noraa would only bus in town-mastina world)
galron is the only flip i'd prefer to my own currently.
so, are we still waiting 4 someone to do things, or can we make this me vs galron and end the day?

If you're this ok with your own elim, you must expect it to help the game state in some way. How?

[Cephrir]

Ya I guess I was hoping cor something like "my town flip should give you x red" or something even if I probably wouldnt have agreed :p

[Cephrir]

I suppose if you must vca then at least eliminating the whims of the mod from the equation is the way to go.

[Cephrir]

Considering my stance on VCA I think that was remarkably positive

[Cephrir]

tictac managed to give me pause at least once today.

i counted 4 votes against galron with the intention of adding mine, but roden is giving me pause on that. perhaps i should let things percolate through my brain a little and maybe iso both of them later.

[Cephrir]

*beetlejuices suspiciously*

[Cephrir]

i hate myself a little for coming around to townreading roden today but he's killing it tbh

[Cephrir]

So yes Roden. I do have a preference in the 2, and I really feel like if you looked at the ISOs you would as well.

people need to look into Roden tomorrow, I don't trust him. but for now. we yeet Galron. Galron is maf. 1000%

I've looked at their ISO's, neither feel particularly scummier than the other. Both waffled on flipped scum, both have a lot of nothing posts, and both have been fairly non-existent this game.

What reason do you have not to trust me?

I mean, I don't not trust you, I believe you're the one I was believing was town the other night, I'm just not a fan of this whole "resistance to tictac? means tictac maf!!!"

this is valid and i'd usually agree but i can't help noticing it's held kinda true this game.

[Cephrir]

I need to think about this.

LMAO I love this reaction to the past 2 pages

it's so bad i almost want to vote him just for that

[Cephrir]

I need to think about this.

LMAO I love this reaction to the past 2 pages

it's so bad i almost want to vote him just for that

do it!

Also, for the record, lines like that, followed by just nothing? really feel like you're maf knowing this flips town, or you're maf trying to find a "reason" to vote your partner

So like, if you genuinely TR Galron, please share why. Like, yes I'm convinced Galron is maf, but I am open to hearing why I'm wrong!

i am not voting right now because i am under the impression mala still wants to talk to titus

[Cephrir]

Intent to hammer btw

I don’t think Galton is town

well never mind then

claim pls

[Cephrir]

did a quick galron iso and all i really got from it is that he sounds like a completely different person from the town galron i played with in radio buzz

this is probably scum

[Cephrir]

;~;

[Cephrir]

Ceph.. give us your vote!!!! A claim won't change my mind on Galron... he's still "thinking about this"

you know he is at e-1 right

[Cephrir]

i don't lolhammer, for all we know he could be an activated innocent child

[Cephrir]

or could have info to report before going down, or his claim could unintentionally give us info about his teammates, etc

[Cephrir]

Please relay any further info you have from tet. Have you talked to anyone else?

[Cephrir]

Also like what are tet's reads then, etc

[Cephrir]

Catboi was protected n1 by LLD.

I thought LLD didnt respond...?

[Cephrir]

Then where did you get that information

[Cephrir]

I don't believe this at all

In shakespeare upick scum galron came up with a ridiculous and ever changing claim. I alluded a while ago to the idea that I'd be interested to see if something similar happens here

While this is not as ridiculous, I feel like it still matches. Also on a non meta basis I'm just plain old not buying it

Any objections to ending this?

[Cephrir]

I believe it's been hammered as well, but just in case

VOTE: galron

[Cephrir]

dw today is an even numbered day so we will hit scum that's apparently how it works

[Cephrir]

I'm surprised to learn this game has a dead chat, I figured it wouldnt when i saw that flip

[Cephrir]

It is a little odd that no one has gone after toog at any point

[Cephrir]

It is a little odd that no one has gone after toog at any point

i've been thinking this but you saying this makes me think toog is town @_@

You really need to get off this over the top paranoia lol

[Cephrir]

Hmm i’d been told by Catboi how it all works. So yes, there are two neighborhoods. And it seemed to make sense.
Don’t know if i should go full details though. I think that demands an mass claim if necesarry.

I dont see the point in discussing it further

[Cephrir]

to be honest, my suspicion on roden is rapidly increasing. however, he's still not in my direct line of fire at the moment. I think that tictac should die today.
As for claiming, i think everyone should flavor claim today and if toog cant give us some 10/10 quality flavor analysis, he dies today instead of tictac.
if he gives good analysis, tictac dies today.

i think mastina and cephrir need to up their games if town because we are losing if you dont. expecting dead thread to solve our game for us is unreasonable.

-noraa

I'm trying my ass off and have been all game. Sorry you dont like it but please dont tell me I'm not doing anything. I never said I expected anything from the dead.

[Cephrir]

please dont tell me I'm not doing anything

when did i say this

What does "up your game" mean then

[Cephrir]

fine lets say i give you the benefit of the doubt. your tone here is different from tenet. who is scum and why have you been on every single mislim flash wagon? how about you just run through why you were on the galron wagon and tell me who you think is scum on that wagon. if you happen to believe that wagon is all town, you are wrong period. i absolutely refuse to believe it. and why dont you think fenny is scum because from my point of view, one of you is scum and if its not you, its fenny.

I havent been on every mislim flash wagon. I didnt vote for twie and galron died without my vote too, though I did support it. That said, it isnt unusual for me to be on every wagon that goes through, I'm active and often vote with the consensus

I will reread the galron wagon sometime today. I dont necessarily think about wagons and votes in the same way that you do, but it can be worth looking at

I think fen has played like a town aligned player all game and I obv dont agree that there is a scum between the two of us. I can elucidate this in more detail later if that seems helpful

[Cephrir]

I'm Casper Darling. I am a 2-shot Hedron Resonance Amplifier Researcher. Non-lethal hostile actions used against me or a person whom I target to give one of my shots to, will consume a charge, and that action will not succeed. My assumption is that it is an anti-blocker power, but I think it pretty much works on any hostile action that isn't lethal. I gave one to LLD on Night 1, and my other charge I was holding was consumed last night. The shot lasts until it is consumed. I was trying to feign power early by dropping Jesse Faden quotes to draw scum actions against me, and figured holding a charge would let me know if it ever worked. I didn't really know who else to use it on since there weren't many open claims on the table.

What does hostile mean?

[Cephrir]

up your game means stop flashwagoning and put on your sorting goggles

Ok but I have been sorting I've been doing analysis and have been one of the main voices saying let's slow down and do analysis so I'm not sure where this accusation of being responsible for flashwagons is coming from

[Cephrir]

Ok, serious question, I don't mean this in a bad way or anything, but why are the bears still alive?? they're universally agreed upon as the towniest here.. and there are 3 of them in 1 slot...

I have to imagine their remaining reads must be wrong or scum feel they will benefit from having their chaotic voices around. I really dont think they can be scum

[Cephrir]

cephy do you do self meta

A little sometimes

I try not to but sometimes I feel I have to because I'm kind of a weird player so people often don't get me

[Cephrir]

Ceph stop posting and finish cooking your dinner I have a cat on me

I'll eat her

[Cephrir]

What does hostile mean?

I assume roleblocks and the like. That's what my mind went to. I know it doesn't protect against kills, and I would assume it would allow neighboring actions to go through.

PEdit: I platinum'd the Complete Edition on PS4, and then again on PS5. I'd say I'm pretty good with the flavor.

I feel like you should have asked the mod about this like immediately if it wasnt in your role PM

Are you sure it isnt in your role pm

[Cephrir]

I wonder if, if toog's role is legit, we can assume that ambiguous actions cant exist.

Uh I had another point here but I forgot it

[Cephrir]

I wonder why we would have an ascetic and a hated asceticizer. If they're both real, that is

Maybe it's because of the mold

[Cephrir]

Gated**

[Cephrir]

I can certainly see that possibility, she isnt really posting

[Cephrir]

"Many of my posts today" I have at absolute worst 2 posts that could be characterized that way

I have everyone besides you, mastina and tictac in my town or probtown bin right now, but I recognize theres a decent chance I'm wrong somewhere

[Cephrir]

This is also subject to change upon review

I am lazy so theres pretty much always a thought that I should do work to shore up my thoughts and the actions may follow through later or may not

[Cephrir]

Here I put 0 thought into this

Town- bears mala andante
Probtown, maybe in need of reevalulation- std roden Norway
Leftovers- mastina tictac toog

[Cephrir]

;-;

The merry go round horse, vt

Mastina

[Cephrir]

Oh I thought we were just massclaiming

:shrug:

Continuing feels like a decent idea

[Cephrir]

idk also none of The Three Bears, NorwegianboyEE, Roden, Malakittens
are claiming before everyone else is done. period. this is why i said order but then people were like lets just popcorn instead :/

Popcorn lets everyone be heard

If someone tried to pick on mala I would find that suspicious but yea

[Cephrir]

because norwee was in catbois neighborhood and came into today claiming it while claiming that catboi died right after telling them he was vig and everyone else in the neighborhood is dead. theres no way that shit comes from scum lmao.

i don't suspect norwee at the moment, but he couldn't lie about this because of galron

[Cephrir]

Oh and there is no way i lie about this… cus Catboi can just send a message from dead PT calling me a dirty liar if i did.

i see we got there

[Cephrir]

Let's stop doing or threatening flash elims

It has repeatedly failed us this game

[Cephrir]

What's the case on Mastina? I don't think it's scum indicative for them to be very blatant with their reads. I gave it another thought tonight, and i think i retract what i said about it being scummy. Like it's clearly just typical Mastina imo. They have some theory and they post it, without a care about the thread mood at the time. And they were right, in fact. Almost all of Mastinas reads have been right so far. Even if they aren't 100% town i'm sure as heck not getting rid of the slot for only that reason. Especially when there are clearly better options today.

My mastina read is purely based on her energy level. I'm not sure about her alignment this game because that energy level has been consistently mediocre but not quite "every word I post is torture"

[Cephrir]

ok andante, think about it this way. even if i am scum, you cant get me killed today. how about you put effort and time into something that will actually happen because all you are doing is making people defensive of scum me and they'll be more unwilling to vote me, no? how about you catch some scum and actually gain some town credit instead of being anti town as heck. maybe people will listen to you and eliminate the big bad bears who bussed their scum buddy hard for no reason

I think you're forgetting that andante has attacked scum repeatedly this game

[Cephrir]

Talking to you feels really pointless sometimes

[Cephrir]

I expect you to listen

You can disagree but I just dont think you even want to hear anything that doesnt match the views you already decided on

[Cephrir]

like what has andante done?
cased mastina and tictac as scum the day dunn died.
dropped the case on tictac the day tictac might've died and ran over to flashwagon galron
firmly pushing me and mastina today when she could be doing protown stuff instead.

I mean she pushed dunns slot as hard as she could for most of the game

[Cephrir]

andante being protown is not true and you need to reread if you think that is true. she has pushed scum at all of the wrong times/when she basically has no other choices. that does not account to "pushing scum"

My recollection is that she was the first person to suspect dunn seriously ever and kept bringing it back up whenever there was a lull in the action

[Cephrir]

There is no fucking way that was an all-town wagon on Galron.

Not. a. fucking. chance.

Now, catboi is proven town.

Norwee is just town.

StD is transparently town.

Objectively, that leaves {tictac, Roden, Andante, Toogeloo, Cephrir} (yes I am counting Ceph even if he's not officially listed given his intentions here),

Lol

[Cephrir]

Oh and real clever that i’m "not trying to change the status quo when i’m literally just trying to be relaxed and wait for claims to finish.
I’ll have you know i was itching to vote Cephrir all day but forced myself to be polite and wait for claims to finish.

Ok; why?

[Cephrir]

Oh and real clever that i’m "not trying to change the status quo when i’m literally just trying to be relaxed and wait for claims to finish.
I’ll have you know i was itching to vote Cephrir all day but forced myself to be polite and wait for claims to finish.

Ok; why?

I feel like you should know.
Mastina/you is extremely distracting at this point and i feel like an flip in either of you would be extremely informative. So since i like Mastina more for town then that makes you the better vote.

it's hard for me to "know" why i am scum when i am in fact not scum

more importantly i want to see your thought process so i can read you

[Cephrir]

i wish i knew tictac's alignment so i could try to figure out what happened yesterday

[Cephrir]

I think hes saying hes a vanilla ascetic

I kinda missed that toog said his other shot evaporated, I somehow managed to think he still had a shot. Kinda conveniently unprovable huh

[Cephrir]

I think hes saying hes a vanilla ascetic

I kinda missed that toog said his other shot evaporated, I somehow managed to think he still had a shot. Kinda conveniently unprovable huh

didnt you say you thought fenrir was town? fenrir said he received a shot and rbed someone a couple nights ago

That shot wasnt from toog was it?

[Cephrir]

He claimed mail sender which is pretty close to vt

I mean if toog gave it out he either would have claimed as such or is scum lying about it so

[Cephrir]

i've fullclaimed already.

[Cephrir]

i think the thing people are trying to say about the mold is that toog being targeted by mold could explain his shot getting used up. i don't think anyone else claimed molded today, so this at least makes sense

[Cephrir]

are any living players besides bears and mastina molded? i forget

[Cephrir]

What would even be the point of faking a fruit vendor claim

[Cephrir]

i mean i could see it as a wild gambit if the role was like, good

even then, this probably shouldn't be your leading theory at this point in the game

[Cephrir]

Why are you so much better at explaining your reads in other games that are over than in this one

[Cephrir]

Well I'm not voting for andante so VOTE: toog

[Cephrir]

I rather liked that. Thanks Roden.

[Cephrir]

It's nice to see someone doing analysis.

And I don't think it's a "weird justification" at all and I'd like the substance of it addressed if toog flips scum.

[Cephrir]

Well i'm not gonna "address it" if Toog flips scum.
You can mark my words on that.

then you can enjoy my vote

[Cephrir]

Fastest way to make me annoyed at a game is to write some overblown shitty case that's not even remotely correct and is based on complete lies and falsification.
And then afterwards act like you've done something amazing.

point out the lies.

[Cephrir]

no, we are, we're voting him even harder now.

[Cephrir]

if things are as you say they are it really shouldn't be hard for you to identify specific falsehoods

[Cephrir]

if things are as you say they are it really shouldn't be hard for you to identify specific falsehoods

The falsehood is that i'm alligned with Toog.

there is a difference between "wrong" and "lying"

if you're going to accuse him of lying you have to back it up

[Cephrir]

lying is intentional. wrong doesn't have to be. if there are lies in the post, you should be able to point them out and say "this event factually did not happen." otherwise, you're disagreeing with the conclusion that was drawn but not the facts about events.

anyway, i think you're scum for reacting this way. attempted bravado hoping no one else would take it seriously -> panicking when i did take it seriously.
even if he's off base on the reasons, it feels like you know toog is flipping scum.

[Cephrir]

wasn't going to

[Cephrir]

ok. since roden and i can't both be nightkilled (and i can't imagine any scumteam shooting me here anyway), i'm comfortable revisiting this tomorrow

[Cephrir]

Don't you have questions?

Well, a lot of it is based on toog's posts, but there's at least one thing i can ask you about. why did your read on me suddenly flip?

[Cephrir]

We can lim Toog now.

I'm fine with just going for an lim right now.

These posts also really concerned me. After I ask Toog to address the Norwee deep wolf case, Toog disappears and Norwee starts pressuring everyone to hurry up and vote Toog out before we can even finish the mass claim and finish any topics/conversations that were still going on. But maybe I'm just being paranoid...

If Bears and Mala was being scummy then i'd agree with finishing the mass claim.
But bears and Mala aren't scummy, so pushing for them to claim is just going to be helpful for scum so they know where it's best to shoot tonight.

...Why am I excluded here? Norwee knows I haven't full claimed yet.

Spoiler:

Toogaloo - Casper Darling
- 2 Shot HRA Researcher
- Non-lethal actions negated.
- LLD and Self. No shots remaining.

Tictac - Benicoff TV
- Vanilla Ascetic

StD - Moving Letters
- Fruit Vendor

Mastina - Ashtray
- VT (Claims Molded)

Andante - Simon Arish
- VT

Cephir - Merry Go Round Horse
- VT

Norwee - Zachariah Trench
- VT

Roden - Polaris
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Three Bears - Dylan Faden
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Malakittens - The Board
- N/A

I love structurally laying out what is known so far...

I think it's because it doesn't matter what I claim. Norwee knows where scum is shooting tonight.

the first point here interests me a bit too. the latter doesn't super bug me, although if it's some reason other than you randomly forgetting roden existed you can talk about that too.

[Cephrir]

Don't you have questions?

Well, a lot of it is based on toog's posts, but there's at least one thing i can ask you about. why did your read on me suddenly flip?

Mastina.

mastina has been saying the exact same shit about me all game, surely?

[Cephrir]

i wonder if you could articulate anything mastina has said about me that is concerning to you that isn't just another flavor of repeating "this is cephrir's scumgame" ad nauseam as though that means anything.

[Cephrir]

And tbh they seem to have much more experience reading you while i don't have any. Pretty sure they stated that if you sound townie then you're more likely scum.

Reading me? Yes.
Reading me correctly? Eh.

Also, that "town = scum" meta is very old (circa 2015) and I've broken it many times at this point.

[Cephrir]

if we think there's a real chance of a third party, we should probably finish the massclaim

[Cephrir]

That's why its be nice to get any probable roles on the table. Our collective town reads on some of those who are currently unclaimed may not apply to 3p so it would help re-clear them

[Cephrir]

Fine then we can not finish. It doesnt matter that much right now

[Cephrir]

Also I really hate the WIFOM of killing STD after people kept saying there was one scum between him and Ceph

You can start by realizing this was never a thing that made any sense

[Cephrir]

im genuinely just so frustrated at myself and the game. like why are we even being suspected and why is everyone here just so scummy excpept literally you and roden. i hate that i keep letting people convince me im wrong but also that im scared to do anything to change anything.

I dont suspect you

[Cephrir]

It has to be in or Andante/Ceph/Tictac.
I just don’t see a world where that is wrong.

Can I get a case on Ceph? People keep saying Ceph and I legitimately don't know why.

Mastina said if the slot sounds like town they are scum so now i’m SUPER PARANOID.
And now that we are this far into the game i start to feel SUPER bad about them ok? I just get this gut feeling, like a vague "trying to remember a dream" gut that says they are super bad but i can’t really express betond that cus i haven’t read their ISO or anything.

Again, mastina has a picture of me from 2015 and has not updated it because I've hardly played with her since

[Cephrir]

So I got the message from the beyond but I am genuinely tempted to just outright ignore it because the dead thread have basically polar opposites of my thoughts.

Toogeloo was apparently molded on N5. Dunnstral is claiming that it's mylo. (Not quite the word used, message used a more "modern" term but I'm paraphrasing here.)

Toogeloo says that Dylan might be an honest claim from mafia (but fuck that, Bears are town; this is what I meant by "tempted to genuinely just outright ignore the message from beyond");

Toogeloo says that Roden and Cephrir are town (Roden, sure! But Ceph, fuck that; this is what I meant by tempted to genuinely just outright ignore the message from beyond");

Toogeloo leans scum on Bears.

That was all I got tho.

dead thread thinks we're scum???????? what the fuck is happening over there :/

Seems like just toog said any of that and I uh kinda dont care what he thinks after yesterday

[Cephrir]

But also this has been Ceph's scumgame.

You're just trying to tilt me on purpose now

Mastina had better be scum because if shes not her ridiculous fixation on me is losing us the game

[Cephrir]

The fact my name has come up so consistently all game for 0 reason should tell you something

[Cephrir]

And andante still isnt scum, and the same applies to her!

[Cephrir]

Let's not

Rainbow emoji sparkle emoji

[Cephrir]

we got a letter. and then i will reiterate again that our role is confirmable. tictac suggesting we elim us is strictly antitown. i think we claim today for sure but as for when, i will need to hear from my hydra buddies.

-noraa

How are you confirmable?

i have the impulse to just claim but my buddies arent here hmm. i will give some very very obvious hints that way i can tell my hydra chat that i didnt claim o-o.

ok well we are dylan faden right? remember jesse faden? who was that again?
we were informed of their existence (think about why for a moment)
AND there is something in jesse's role that confirms another role exists ......
and that is [REDACTED]

put the pieces together yourself.

-noraa

ffs Nora.

Fine we finish mass claim.
We are Dylan Faden, an informed enabling [redacted].
We are informed Jesse Faden is present in game. We passively enable Jesse's abilities.
That I'm aware in flavour Dylan is corrupted af/Hiss aligned and final fate is he's left comatose - and honestly that i've read it would appear anti-FBC which is why my insistance is what it was.

With that said pending any counter claim

WE ARE HARD CLEAR.

-Pinkie the grumpy bear.

I dont think you're scum but how is this clearing, and also how is it finishing massclaim if you're still leaving something out?

[Cephrir]

Either Mastina has pocketed me, but i doubt it. This doesn't feel like what i imagine to be their scumgame.

Can we dig into this more.

Why is it not her scum game.

[Cephrir]

Anyway i don't think i have more to say... if i'm wrong then i'm in way too deep and it is unfortunate i will be convinced by arrguments alone. I need flips now to either confirm or disprove my view of the gamestate. .

Not much I can do with someone who is openly unwilling to listen

[Cephrir]

I do t get why even co soldering the possibility I may not be scum is a bridge too far for everyone this game when it's not like there is even a case against me. And no, mastina does not fucking count as a case.

[Cephrir]

If I'm scum against mastina this game, why haven't I killed her yet?

[Cephrir]

"Ah, yes, I will shoot my game long ally std who is also starting to come under suspicion. Mwahahaha! Theyll never see this one coming!"

[Cephrir]

I do t get why even co soldering the possibility I may not be scum is a bridge too far for everyone this game when it's not like there is even a case against me. And no, mastina does not fucking count as a case.

If mastina's meta as old as time concerns you so much, do recent meta yourself

I'm literally asking anyone to put in a modicum of effort or critical thought.

[Cephrir]

"Ah, yes, I will shoot my game long ally std who is also starting to come under suspicion. Mwahahaha! Theyll never see this one coming!"

You did do it didn't you!!! Scared of those letters revealing you as maf... gg gottem

Of course! This is a voice recording I'm quoting, the evidence is all there

Do we even nolim here when we all know mala is going to be killed?

[Cephrir]

I guess andante doesnt know that so it can be a surprise for her x3

[Cephrir]

the 3 maf are in the people "leading" here that just happen to have me you tictac in bottom of the poe

I'm not sure if all of them are, but I am seeing that at least one of them is. Right now I think it's tictac/mastina/norwe but I am still listening

[Cephrir]

there's like no way I believe in myself to go 3/3 here

Mood

I wish the dead were solving it for me :p I trust them way more than the living, and i doubt i am good enough to get there on my own

[Cephrir]

who is 3

we are almost forced to assume it is mastina because if it's not she will vote me for the L

[Cephrir]

ive definitely suspected roden at times. i find his more recent actions a little harder to square with a scum pm. but if we're nolimming today, i plan to do some digging tomorrow, and that includes assembling why i think the people i like for town are town so i can see if i've overlooked something

[Cephrir]

who is 3

we are almost forced to assume it is mastina because if it's not she will vote me for the L

hmm ok my point for a stronger TR on mastina though is the dead stuff, why even out "the dead's reads" that are that bad? why does scum!mastina do that?

if she doesn't out them, tomorrow someone would be in here like "yo the dead say mastina didn't out their reads"

[Cephrir]

i dotn see why mala gets shot tonight. sure she's conftown but she's not really doing anything. i want an elimination today and i wont do anything outside of [andante, cephrir]

doing nothing is a much biger threat to the scum team than what you are doing, which is helping them achieve their win condition c:

[Cephrir]

there is NO WAY both are town like i genuinely do not beleive that for even a second.

your inability to consider alternate possibilities is a really huge flaw in your play

[Cephrir]

then yeah, I could see Mastina as 3... the issue then is the bears lol cause that makes bears town and they're locked on me maf

welcome to my world

[Cephrir]

@dead if you could hit up bears tonight with some insights that might be the only way to save this game

[Cephrir]

alternatively if you think they're scum, maybe hit up me and tell me that

[Cephrir]

true but i mean like, mastina is not interested in listening and i'd love to hear from more than just toog if anyone else is still paying attention

[Cephrir]

but mala has called for andante blood for multiple days now and if you think andante is town, mala is not helping town either.

i think she has a lot more potential to change her mind

[Cephrir]

yeah, it's really a tragedy if, as it seems, most of our dead friends have checked out. i guess i don't blame them, but :/

[Cephrir]

the way she talks in general seems a lot more open, yes. you seem to have plugged your ears and started shouting lalala i can't hear you whenever i talk.

[Cephrir]

what, using their abilities as though they were town? i do that shit all the time

[Cephrir]

we got a letter. and then i will reiterate again that our role is confirmable. tictac suggesting we elim us is strictly antitown. i think we claim today for sure but as for when, i will need to hear from my hydra buddies.

-noraa

How are you confirmable?

i have the impulse to just claim but my buddies arent here hmm. i will give some very very obvious hints that way i can tell my hydra chat that i didnt claim o-o.

ok well we are dylan faden right? remember jesse faden? who was that again?
we were informed of their existence (think about why for a moment)
AND there is something in jesse's role that confirms another role exists ......
and that is [REDACTED]

put the pieces together yourself.

-noraa

ffs Nora.

Fine we finish mass claim.
We are Dylan Faden, an informed enabling [redacted].
We are informed Jesse Faden is present in game. We passively enable Jesse's abilities.
That I'm aware in flavour Dylan is corrupted af/Hiss aligned and final fate is he's left comatose - and honestly that i've read it would appear anti-FBC which is why my insistance is what it was.

With that said pending any counter claim

WE ARE HARD CLEAR.

-Pinkie the grumpy bear.

I dont think you're scum but how is this clearing, and also how is it finishing massclaim if you're still leaving something out?

Really Ceph? like seriously really?

Are you actually asking this or is this just for shiggs?

I have no idea what you're talking about

[Cephrir]

With two votes landing on Andante twice and still no quick hammer from scum, I think we can pretty much confirm that either Andante is scum or scum is currently voting her. Which does narrow it down a bit.

Unless all scum werent online during that time

[Cephrir]

scum could have and should have hammered.

personally my picks for scum are preeeetty afk.

[Cephrir]

best bodyguard a gal could have

Norwee kinda claimed for me

I'm an inventor of (three) 1-Shot items whom I can gift them to other players.
+Neighborizer
+Rb
+BG

I gave mine to catboi & STDx2

Oh. Oh shit. Ceph isn't cleared based off of the NK then.

sadness.

[Cephrir]

in addition to the dunn thing, the super erratic and off the cuff way andante has played the entire game makes me think she is town

[Cephrir]

i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum

next time i want to post i'll just shout into an empty void instead, the effect will be similar

[Cephrir]

i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum

next time i want to post i'll just shout into an empty void instead, the effect will be similar

ok fine. i'll listen to you. who is the scum team. name three people who all arent andante.

tictac
mastina
norwe

if i have one of those wrong it's norwe.

[Cephrir]

ok well tell me why andante isnt hammered then

because mastina and tictac haven't been online at the same time

[Cephrir]

i dont understand why mala was the nk.

who says she was?