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VOTE: OTH

Why not

VOTE: Galron
OMGUS

~GE

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guys gammas bullying me

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okie lukescum

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oh thank u!!! ur so nice

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oh true i need to flex my powers

im the best town to ever exist

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spill

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aww so ur trying to make me blinded to u?

why am i town?

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bell r u town this game too?

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fellas do i trust it...

idk i think its a decent reason...

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I’m 3rd party.

pls..

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Mafia is not determined by flavor.
Nvm. Skimmed rules.
Also I joined a bastard game.
And roles don’t flip with alignment. Which is fine because honestly I just get confused with roles anyway

i thought there was more reason to like u than just this but i think im mixing u up with encahnt

akneeways

enchant: toenread

yw for the hard carry

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idk i think they kinda have bad taste tho

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what does knowing the flavor or not have to do with the game

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One day I will not try to kill your when you try to start a cult midgame.
As soon as you stop being scum every time you try to start one.

Today is maybe or maybe not that day.
I did miss playing with you pooky.
Nostalgia is the only drug I need.

I swear Pooky was town when he did it in Guitarists
is my memory completely fried?

~GE

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Never actually got round to watching Lost when it came out.

Me neither - we should do a watch party where we livetweet our reactions in this thread

Spoiler:

Only half joking

From a brief catchup it seems nobody here watched it. Heard it got rubbish towards the end anyway.

I loved the first like 4 Seasons of Lost. I watched it all with my sister as it aired, and then when I got married I rewatched the whole show with my husband. I definitely recommend anyone who has not seen it to give it a try.

(It does lose itself a little towards the end. Seasons 5 was good, but not great. Final season is kinda disappointing imo)

so it's like Game of Thrones

~GE

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whos csf

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what does knowing the flavor or not have to do with the game

Roles and flavor seem to align.
That’s it.

mmm i wouldnt know.. i tried googling lost and it said 2004 and i was like "nope"
so it would be useful to know about lost so we could spot out fake claims?

VOTE: Bellaphant

It feels necessary to eliminate you or Bell today so that people don't get confused between the two of you. You're not here to defend yourself, so you're naturally the easier choice.

But I must defend Bella. Town has plenty of room for Bell-types.

VOTE: Klick

this feels weird.. why r u defending bellaphant?

I never watched Lost so all flavor is completely, ahem, lost on me. Happy to be town though!

Wolfy entrance.
VOTE: Rad

Lukewarm and Bell give early towny vibes.

How's that wolfy? *growls*

'happy to be town' feels off.

I like Toad saying this, I completly forgot about that post from Rad and its a good point.

what does knowing the flavor or not have to do with the game

I think that you could potentially guess someone's role based on their flavor. Like, if someone's Flavor is Jack, I would assume them to be a doctor tbh.

lets not then..

VOTE: bella

was this serious?

hi my role has a drawback and i haven't decided yet whether to claim harder than that or not

VOTE: enchant i don't think a rock will help us survive this situation

im conflicted about this post, since i dont see the need to even say the first part its like teasing us : P I think scum might be motivated to do that, as leaving it vague like that leaves them to warp their claim to what fits with later on claims

VOTE: cephir

VOTE: Cephrir

don't really like either of these popins tbhs.
for bellaphant, I think her vote is a bit random and out of nowhere
for bluebloodedtoffee, I think its just following the lead of bellaphant which I think scum might like doing.

I think Luke is town!!!!!!

cuz..?

What if we didn't do this every time

I guess I should out my drawback as Hated if we're doing this again

cephrir whats hated mean?

~m★

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oh! ill talk with gamma abt this i need help thinking

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do u think anyones scummy rn...

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do u think luke having 2 townreads pretty early on is townie for him?

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same tbhs

i feel like he can easily pull a fast one on us if he happened to be red

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can people voting Ceph tell me their thoughts on his posting so far
I feel like something rings genuine, which is probably a sign he's town because when he's been scum his posting has felt very mid
~GE

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@Gamma, sure yeah. Flavor could help with identifying the legitimacy of a claim. Please don't go overboard Lost watchers.

I tag all my posts as ~GE, you were probably responding to marci as I haven't interacted w you yet

~GE aka Gamma

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I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of both the hydra slots

I was confused by this then realized Dancing Puppets hadn't posted yet.

~GE

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What's suspect about ircher/rh9? I'm more interested in your thoughts there vs. on us because they have the post restriction

~GE

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was this serious?

do you think it was?

i cant tell i think its hard to tell what u mean by things..

I don't think we should continue to push Cephrir without pointing to real reasons for doing so. Partially because it would be annoying for them, and partially because there are several people who voted for Cephrir who haven't given any reasoning for why they are doing so.

i like dunnstral : DD

clearly Ceph is Hated Godfather

oh shit

VOTE: cephrir

...

I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of both the hydra slots

why

@Gamma, sure yeah. Flavor could help with identifying the legitimacy of a claim. Please don't go overboard Lost watchers.

I tag all my posts as ~GE, you were probably responding to marci as I haven't interacted w you yet

~GE aka Gamma

i think bells a clown if he hasnt noticed its just mainly me posting

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VOTE: rad

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i cant tell i think its hard to tell what u mean by things..

i think it's very rare to find where i have serious votes that early in the game...i think that's common knowledge

am i meant to know this?

i only remember playing that discord moderator game with u

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ok and?

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I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of both the hydra slots

I was confused by this then realized Dancing Puppets hadn't posted yet.

~GE

What's suspect about ircher/rh9? I'm more interested in your thoughts there vs. on us because they have the post restriction

~GE

To clarify, both the hydras who have been posting are the ones I've started suspecting. I wasn't counting Dancing Puppets.

I didn't realize ircher/rh9 had a post restriction. I thought they seemed like they are holding info back and spreading their game posts out between here and another thread.

they claimed their post restriction in their first post
they can only use 100 words maximum for D1

~GE

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I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of both the hydra slots

why

I think you've asked a number of go-nowhere questions for the sake of appearing active.

idk about marci but I tend to ask seemingly filler question in certain circumstances, like when trying to filter out paranoid thoughts on TRs
I think I've only ever done it a whole bunch as town because as scum I feel like my filter would catch some of it + there's less need to legitimately sort so less need to ask questions that might go nowhere

~GE

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i cant tell i think its hard to tell what u mean by things..

i think it's very rare to find where i have serious votes that early in the game...i think that's common knowledge

am i meant to know this?

i only remember playing that discord moderator game with u

pretty sure it was brought up there tbh

if it was i completely missed it

all i see if u simping pooky

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I can argue that this is showing a higher awareness of the gamestate which can be viewed as cautious/scummy.

Wait, so having a strong understanding of what's happened so far in the game is SCUMMY to you? lol

Is this a common belief?

Having a good understanding of the game state this early on points to informed knowledge. yes - that's weird.

okay cool, I'll only skim and take in the bare minimum needed to process what's going on

~GE

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I can argue that this is showing a higher awareness of the gamestate which can be viewed as cautious/scummy.

Wait, so having a strong understanding of what's happened so far in the game is SCUMMY to you? lol

Is this a common belief?

Having a good understanding of the game state this early on points to informed knowledge. yes - that's weird.

okay cool, I'll only skim and take in the bare minimum needed to process what's going on

~GE

because that's what i said

I think what you said feels off from you
why do you think gamestate knowledge this early is scummy

also I wouldn't even call what I was talking about that frogster took issue with gamestate awareness, it was just a post that I read
~GE

that didn't take long

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I can argue that this is showing a higher awareness of the gamestate which can be viewed as cautious/scummy.

Wait, so having a strong understanding of what's happened so far in the game is SCUMMY to you? lol

Is this a common belief?

Having a good understanding of the game state this early on points to informed knowledge. yes - that's weird.

okay cool, I'll only skim and take in the bare minimum needed to process what's going on

~GE

because that's what i said

I think what you said feels off from you
why do you think gamestate knowledge this early is scummy

also I wouldn't even call what I was talking about that frogster took issue with gamestate awareness, it was just a post that I read
~GE

because early game is lowinfo? like is that a real question?

I wasn't referring to whatever "frogster took issue with" - I was making a general point.

okay, and being keen on the gamestate early vs, later on is scummy how?
Also I brought up the frogster thing because and marci were both like "lol we're getting SR for READING"
~GE

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what is your definition of gamestate
I feel it might differ from mine.

~GE

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The overall understanding of the game?

okay yeah I don't think that matches my idea of it
my idea of what gamestate is is basically the conditions of the game at a point in time

~GE

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Hwat

Why?

From when I hydra’d with her, it helps her read the game easier

Don’t expect much direct content from me today btw

~GE

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STD said signatures don't count.

What a fake post restriction if I've ever saw one.

Which part?

If signatures don't count, why not use them every post? In the very few posts you've made I don't feel like you've been either careful with your words or consistent in your application. It looks like to me you're making it up on the fly (or that you and your partner didn't agree how to fake the restriction).

I'm skeptical for other reasons that I'll discuss with the other players, but we can start there.

Look, I am aware that if the restriction is real I risk wasting your word counts or whatever, and you're limited in your ability to explain... but how everyone else reacted is exactly how you would want if you were faking a restriction. Sorry, thems the breaks.

If they were going to fake a restriction though, wouldn't you expect them to be doubly sure how they were going to go about it before committing? It strikes me as an especially convoluted and weird thing for a hydra to make up in particular on D1, when coordinating a hydra can be a difficult job anyway, especially if said hydra is scum. And given the size of the game, being able to successfully coast through D1 could be of limited advantage anyway considering there'll likely be lots of phases.

The mistakes are the reason I decided to call attention to it. I was suspicious when I first saw it but wasn't gonna bring it up right away. Maybe I should have let them make a few more mistakes before I said anything but that's on me.

Why EVER fake restrictions.

To make players like you ask that question rhetorically as if it was self evident they were town.

If you find yourself asking why would (player) do (thing) if they were scum...then my friend you are the gullible target audience.

do you think C+G are scum?

~GE

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I'm reading my interaction with Galron as SvT.

I don't think your opinion is relevant
(this isn't meant as a diss, more "it only really counts as a salient observation when an outside observer says it when it's said in this manner")

~GE

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This is funny to me, because this is the least serious I have taken a game in a while.

Meh, I was being non-serious at the start of moderators as well.

But my point stands.

I was have purposefully tried to take this game less seriously, and this is the second time someone said that I was being extra serious early

Do you think it's more likely to come from mistaken town or scum trying to stir up trouble (or other?)

Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start

Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Rad's prob town

Luke started very serious out of the gate, like rvs didn't exist. Too much caffeine?

It feels like Galron lifted the idea straight off of Rad.

I don't think that Galron and Rad are scum together, but I think that there is probably scum in the pair.

good sorting, and good thought, I notice scum tend to group up with a townie and try to mirror thoughts with that one townie intentionally

~GE

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mine?
~GE

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Flavor

Danielle Rousseau

wig

~GE

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My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

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I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

Isn't the Sibling role a variant Mason that knows the other's alignment but lacks a PT with them? If that's correct Toog's POV is 100% logical. Sure flavor and alignment are distinct but I don't believe the same could be said about role and alignment?

~GE

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winning/losing has nothing to do with your ability/skill

this
I had a time where I played the scumgame of my life on my homesite and then proceeded to lose like 20 scumgames in a row on here

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winning/losing has nothing to do with your ability/skill

this
I had a time where I played the scumgame of my life on my homesite and then proceeded to lose like 20 scumgames in a row on here

~GE

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Okay I caught up. Someone talk me out of the vote I'm gonna make, cause it'll be on scum. You have until the time it takes for me to format the vote. Maybe through a segment of BB too. Ready. Set. Go.

i think the fact that u didnt follow this up with a vote makes u scummy.

Frogster's obviously scum but can we pretend we don't know that for the next 4 days to get some more info out of him before we inevitably feed him to the polar bears?

im kinda starting to come around on this, i dont think frogster has the best intentions really.

I think the wagon on Ceph was interesting but not sure what I can get out of it yet.

r u making any attempts to look into it tho? part of the reason why originally i was fine with voting u was that saying somethings interesting is easy, and then not trying to look into it is just like making empty promises i feel.
but i do kinda like 340 ugh

I'm tempted to townread Johnny here.

i dont see y u would think this..? rn johnnys currently still null for me, i don't think hes done anything particularly ai

or scum!Frogster knows something special (this is not shade, I have no read on him right now, I repeat not shade, any scum would know something special, just saying).

this feels overly cautious

i think i like toad..

Spoiler: Scum Team

ur so funny roden!! but do u have more to say at all?

I am realizing that without flips showing that Me, my neighbor, Toog, or Toog's neighbor flipping as neighbors that it will actually be kinda messy for someone to claim it after the death of their neighbor.

giving scum suggestions?

Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

i like this post a lot ^.^

Cool. Thanks.
Real quick before you go.
Are you scum?

Come on now. I'm town as fuck

i expected you to be more excited to play the game based on how excited you seemed in the signup thread, but you aren't really efforting too much... are you scum?

bells weird

galrons posts do nothing for me

<<bell, bluebloodedtoffee, tbone, frogster, roden, rad>> is kinda my list of interests rn. rads so hard to read

-marci

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@Marci you’re weird.

ur nasty

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Okay I caught up. Someone talk me out of the vote I'm gonna make, cause it'll be on scum. You have until the time it takes for me to format the vote. Maybe through a segment of BB too. Ready. Set. Go.

i think the fact that u didnt follow this up with a vote makes u scummy.

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Gottem

But to get serious for a moment. I get that I am making a lot of jokey and taunting posts in this game, that I would understand if anyone thought that was all I was doing. I like to have fun between more serious posts because of how often I believe players actually make alignment indicative posts (hint: not often). But this post I quoted is a long 'catch up' post. Certainly by 704 you'd have enough context to, if you wanted to key in on how I'm playing, go after my game posts, and not this random one. But you didn't and here we are, me following through, and you being.... followed through on...question mark?

yeah i got that it was a joke or whatever
but i still dont like it

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hey I make memes about the Animal Police Department when I'm town too

oh snap i wasn't even trying to get that one

Accidental page tops happen a lot for me

~GE

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D4?! yo I have the attention span of a cat, I hope it'll be sooner than that, esp bc I can't read Titus at all

You should trust me on the Titus head

~GE

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Kinda TR Nancy rn

~GE

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D4?! yo I have the attention span of a cat, I hope it'll be sooner than that, esp bc I can't read Titus at all

You should trust me on the Titus head

~GE

What did you say about Titus? All I recall was you confirming what she said about reading everything backwards?

Nothing yet but my read accuracy on her is pretty good I’d say

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D4?! yo I have the attention span of a cat, I hope it'll be sooner than that, esp bc I can't read Titus at all

You should trust me on the Titus head

~GE

What did you say about Titus? All I recall was you confirming what she said about reading everything backwards?

Nothing yet but my read accuracy on her is pretty good I’d say

~GE

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I have a lot of people to make up shit on and be wrong about. This is going to be my largest work yet.

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PookyTheMagicalBear
Rad
Corwinoid
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch
Lukewarm

I reserve the right to add/remove

It's really early here but I can't even work out if these are town or scum reads. Can you expand on any of them?

i think this shows bellaphant isnt reading LOL

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I'm okay ignoring the weird vibes Gamma is giving off this game because why try to sort them if Marci is town.
logic'd

am ireally that strong townie to u?

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i think it was nancy posting in the dancing puppets posts right..? i like her views it seems reasonable for her to think, so i think theyre town : D

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i don't even remember that game but no i am not going to give all hydras bonus points for being hydras and i dont think there's anything wild about that

im still pretty conflicted on cephrir, i could see alot of his posts being made as either alignment. like my og thought on this post was that its townie but then i try and think deeper and its just

not the best but not the worst is the vibes there

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I'm okay ignoring the weird vibes Gamma is giving off this game because why try to sort them if Marci is town.
logic'd

am ireally that strong townie to u?

He said that because he thinks I'm town bestie <3

oh but then i dont get it
its putting too much faith in u then LOL

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froggy why did you change your posting style midgame here

like with this post i thought it meant good vibez for both cephrir and frogster

like this shows cephrirs reading the game enough to notice stuff like this, so i think he has an actual intent to solve.
and frogster changing their style like midgame, i think that would be townie because scum prob wants to be more consistent.

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d

wow wtf robbing me!!

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984 is good soup

malakittens is town

i think this is premature

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so like... i have a problem guys :kekw:

but ill just ignore it for now its pretty useless

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sup I see Taly is here, that’s cool
Kinda been out of it for a couple of reasons

~GE

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ok but she sounds way more stilted in pokemon dude lol

her scum game is like your scum game in terms of looking like a block of ice

Who is this abt?

~GE

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Hey. This is a lot of people.

okay and

~GE

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UNVOTE:

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I feel like Dancing Puppets could potentially be scum on the basis of a lot of their recent posts. Feel like there's a lot of stuff about them not necessarily having particularly distinct reads/being willing to sheep despite the fact that they have been quite active anyway. For how much they've posted it feels like there's a real lack of content there.

Do you think scum just admits they're going to sheep at the beginning of the game?

Granted, I think both heads of the hydra are normally very headstrong about their reads. It's a bit weird to see them both want to take a back seat.

this is such a weird post, i cant tell what roden actually believes.
its like hes trying to discrrdit malcolms thoughts, but then he actually says something thats sorta in agreeance with them?

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Hey bbt, can you explain? I was feeling that earlier but not sure now

i think this is +town for bellaphant, i was kinda taken aback from bluebloodedtoffees vote there too

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i think tbone focusing on how hes "not like the other girls" is another thing i dont like about him, i think the energy he uses to explain that could better be used elsewhere

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I feel like Dancing Puppets could potentially be scum on the basis of a lot of their recent posts. Feel like there's a lot of stuff about them not necessarily having particularly distinct reads/being willing to sheep despite the fact that they have been quite active anyway. For how much they've posted it feels like there's a real lack of content there.

Do you think scum just admits they're going to sheep at the beginning of the game?

Granted, I think both heads of the hydra are normally very headstrong about their reads. It's a bit weird to see them both want to take a back seat.

this is such a weird post, i cant tell what roden actually believes.
its like hes trying to discrrdit malcolms thoughts, but then he actually says something thats sorta in agreeance with them?

I don't think I said anything contradictory here. I can agree about a behavior being weird but still disagree that it's scummy.

yeah i said its weird i didnt draw a conclusion on if its scummy yet

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I have my own reasons for not liking Frog's slot for where I'm at in the game.

which are?

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When did Bell?

I think he's town but I recall you FoSing him somewhere.

~Titus

I think that the way they are treating me comes from town them. Calling out Toogeloo early in pt is towny. Their reads are believable. When they are scum they are more stilted.

PT? Who is in it?

scum would be more paying attention for things like this right?

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I haven't read Rad's scum game (congrats Rad), but that is 100% his town play and exactly why I'm town reading him.

?

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do u want synced reads for the spreadsheet or just my own

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BlueBloodedToffee - ls
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - t
Malakittens - n
Taly - n
PookyTheMagicalBear - lt
MalcolmTucker - lt
Galron -nlt
Cephrir - n
Frogsterking - ls
Roden - ls
Rad - nlt
Corwinoid - ls
The toad - t
Enchant - t
Dwlee99 - n
Bellaphant - n
Klick - n
Bell - ls
Dunnstral - nlt
JohnnyFarrar - n
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - n
T-Bone - s
Cat Scratch Fever - nlt
Lukewarm - lt
PenguinPower - n

off the top of my head
ugh but im not happy w it so im gonna talk with gamma later

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I just want it noted for the record that I am not scum partners with Klick.

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klick why do u like rad so much? imo it doesnt look like uve thought otherwise at all

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Rad is town for like 20 different reasons. He's got takes that look genuine that make little sense from a scum point of view (like thinking scum have little influence in a gamestate like this - I think that's a hard towntell because I doubt a member of a 5-person scumteam feels that way at all about scum influence). He's really focused on solving. I don't feel like Rad is trying to manipulate me.

have u ever had a moment of doubt? idk it feels like ur read on rad is just like
if u graph it
theres no bumpys or anything, it feels like a pretty straight line.

like yeah rad seems pretty townie rn, but idk about u
i wanna know what ur thinking more !!

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Yeah I get that, it was just something that popped into my mind as I saw neighbourhoods being mentioned.

I'm not saying elim someone because they're in a neighbourhood. But if they're scummy AND they're in a neighbourhood, well that's just a bonus.

r u in a neighbourhood :rosejudge:

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how come u arent doing anything about it then

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how come u arent doing anything about it then

I'm probably going to fight you soon.

do it rn

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I'm only on page 20 though and things can change.

Seems unlikely in regards to you but you never know!

i bet u just need time to bs ur reasons

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like seriously

who cares if u end up changing ur read while ur catching up? what r u so worried abt LMAO

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Pagetop

ur scum for stealing from me!&!&!&#&@,&!&!&@&

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That's exactly what I need.

I just need to produce something fake but I need time to do it.

I haven't had any time at all to do it yet. But sure. I need time.

why do u keep holding back reads

u can just keep updating? why do u keep holdimg onto it like its the most precious pearl?

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I mean, if you think I'm scum then I'm all ears.

Let's dance.

ill make u a disstrack if u seriously want..

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t town
s scum
n null
l lean

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I've got a fair few reads yeah, I can share if you really want it.

But like, reads lists are just meh.

r u planning to take your reads to the grave or something

just share what you got dude

he just doesnt wanna spew his buddies

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It's partially gut but I've played with

Galron

multiple times against, same alignment, and as a hydra. Difficult to verbalize but I don't see an agenda, a lot of their posts look like doubtcasting at face-value but they read to me as a genuine thought process and critic.

It's also connected to my

Rad

townread and their interactions. In my opening page, I commented on their interactions their and the initial read stuck, especially with

Rad's

communication towards me.

As for

T-Bone

, a lot of it is disagreement with the assessment of

Bell

, but I'm a biased party as a PT partner. So I thought to watch how that read progresses without my commentary.]

i kinda lowkey like this guys? i dont think scum would think past face value stuff..? does that make sense? like i feel like scum would be more likely to just jump on something if it seems scummy at face value.

Marci, how is this a better system then just sorting them

never claimed it to be, but it works for it uses i feel.
i was at work lol so i was typing that post quickly and i didnt have time to take the forever to copy and paste names again and again.

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idk how i feel about penguin, ive just been ignoring them for the most part

can somebody case them?

i remember in the discord moderator game i felt like they were pretty absent and they seem the same here tho

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Whatup, haven’t read the past 40 or so pages and probably won’t do so anytime soon, instead I’m just gonna mindlessly back whatever Marci wants to do bcuz she seems more invested and we were actually synching quite well when I was actually paying attention to events

~GE

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bluebloodedtoffee is obvscum cmon guys!!

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bluebloodedtoffee is obvscum cmon guys!!

Do you think bbts response to me is more town or scum? Specifically the climb down.

it gives vibes like

they thought u would be easy to pick on > you fought back > they were like "oh shit" > and now theyre buddying you

i think it seems pretty scummy

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How’s y’all’s day going? I’m getting bullied by my hydra partner rn

~GE

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yes i like malcolm as well, i also didnt really vibe with roden.

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how do yall keep up with this game we still have like over a week left and we're just shy of 100 pages..

i think i could see johnny being scum, alot of his posts seem easy for scum to make. i think hes low in alot of peoples poe, yet a wagon hasn't built there at all? it feels like the atmosphere around him is being subtly manipulated but i can't tell by who

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eh i guess dwlee could be seen the same way, but i think johnnys been more present than they have so its just something that sticks out more for him.

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How do you tell whether Bellaphant is scum or not.
I remember a long time ago accidentally mis eliminating them for playing kind of like this.
Just sort of mild pop-ins with mild takes all game.

do u wanna chat abt this? idk how to read bellaphant but i think bouncing ideas around might be useful :shrug:

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eh i guess dwlee could be seen the same way, but i think johnnys been more present than they have so its just something that sticks out more for him.

I've been feeling Dwlee town because as outlined above their vote on Pooky felt quite left-field and townie - like it was genuinely some original thought. Their ISO in general though does feel very focused in on Pooky individually (from TR to SR) and would definitely like to see more from the slot.

i dont quite trust dwlee yet, but they arent the worst LOL

recently there was a game where me and dwlee were scumpartners and imo their scumgame is pretty similar to their towngame so I think that might be scary to try and read later on ^.^

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i used to think dwlees more active as scum, but after the discord moderator game i realized they truly arent.

thats the only thing i could rlly think to try to read dwlee based off of, i think their thoughts are hit or miss depending on the playerlist.

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VOTE: johnnyfarrar
We think this is worth voting rn

~GE

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i think uve gotta memorize his movements bell ^.^

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Question. Has anybody played hollow knight and does anybody know how you're supposed to kill the nightmare king, because I cannot for the life of me kill this absolute bastard.

Learn his patterns, and avoid getting hit more than once between each balloon phase (where Grimm appears in the middle and spews a bullet pattern of fireballs). An unexpected mistake can snowball into a defeat so keep calm.

~GE

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math r u scum

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C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

How much would one count for?
~GE

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where is marci?

im right hwre wtf

any questions? i woke up to like 20 new pages DHUDUSJ

when i read, i thought that the math wagon seems like a low blow. i feel bad for attacking a replacement so soon and i feel like i want to give them a bit more time yo get into the game before anything else.

i feel like bell looks really bad from that, it just sort of aeemed like bell was trying to egg on luke while not taking responsibilty for himself

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i do agree with the point that now that malakittens has said her claim is untrue it makes her seem worse

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oh!

do u townread her anyways?

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where is marci?

im right hwre wtf

any questions? i woke up to like 20 new pages DHUDUSJ

when i read, i thought that the math wagon seems like a low blow. i feel bad for attacking a replacement so soon and i feel like i want to give them a bit more time yo get into the game before anything else.

i feel like bell looks really bad from that, it just sort of aeemed like bell was trying to egg on luke while not taking responsibilty for himself

Bell is so obvtown here it hurts.

how is he obvtown?

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where is marci?

im right hwre wtf

any questions? i woke up to like 20 new pages DHUDUSJ

when i read, i thought that the math wagon seems like a low blow. i feel bad for attacking a replacement so soon and i feel like i want to give them a bit more time yo get into the game before anything else.

i feel like bell looks really bad from that, it just sort of aeemed like bell was trying to egg on luke while not taking responsibilty for himself

Bell is so obvtown here it hurts.

how is he obvtown?

Have you ever played with scum!Bell? He’s town here, trust me on that.

i think i have, but i dont remember it

where do u think scum is then?

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Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

I’m basing it off of the first 4 pages. What a silly question.

I’m obviously asking for a more specific answer.

I think the way flavor was approached by multiple other slots (Bell, BBT for example) Felt organic. The way Luke approached it felt more like a tool, ergo not organic. It might be overzealousness of knowing the flavor and wanting to talk about it but if that’s the case my read probably falls off further into the thread.

If I had to strip everything away I’d say it’s like, other slots were engaging in a conversation that Luke felt they needed to be inserted into.

Even at the time they are getting townreada for it so idk maybe I’m crazy.

donu think luke is scum?

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what are some important ISOs to read? I give no assurance I'll comprehend them fully but I do feel like being at least somewhat mindful of happenings vs. just coasting

~GE

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it feels like this push on math is scum motivated.

i think everyone was content to just shade corwin before, (sort of like how johnnys being treated) but now that mathblades repped in it feels like people are like "oh shit"

wake up please everybody, you just keep letting johnny slide by unchecked.
this is an obv move to save johnny imo

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Quite the take.

thank u i try

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lukie have u ever played with klick

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Quite the take.

thank u i try

Are you going to point the finger or are you going for vague plausible deniability? I don't really think you thought that take through based on the game state I find JF in moderate danger.
Not "We gotta do something about this guys" danger. You just sound informed.

bitch isnt my vote already on johnny tf?

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lukie have u ever played with klick

I actually cast my vote without seeing this question lmao.

I don't believe I have any past games with klick.

What left you to asking this question?

because ur here

and i thought the other ppl who r here rn were talking abt klick

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how do i do that thing where i search for a specific term theres too many pages im LOST

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@pookie, bella, RAD, JF, dwlee, math

: do you have any slots in particular you'd like me to look at?

~GE

btw I scoured Math's ISO to see if he had a read on us, and I didn't see one but I do kinda feel like he's leaning town for me after it. So that's one slots I've already managed to look over.

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pooky or klick i feel could be possibles

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gammas talking abt klick rn but i dont think i see the same way

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actually have a bit of a head-start on klick because marci also asked my thoughts there
I could be letting myself get pocketed but he seems a bit towny, 3303 specifically is something I would have posted
I do notice he is moving votes a lot but I don't really have a framework for whether that means anything alignment-wise for him

~GE

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Malcolm seems pretty forthcoming with reads, tho I'm not exactly the biggest fan of them. I think there's a bit of a disconnect there, so I'll try to work to sort that out when he's around. Would mark him as a moderate town lean rn.

~GE

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Taly, I feel like I've been a massive distrustful misanthrope.
But like, I try to kill the people that are the least sortable not the most.
Your decision to kill active posters that you think is scum isn't a good idea. Esp. Here, where there are probably two active scum posters max.

And you're voting Math...

Like i don't even

~Titus

*Points politely to your nose*
In all my games with you, you've misread mathblade more than you've read him correctly.

Both ways? I feel like Titus has more incorrect Math SRs than incorrect Math TRs.

~GE

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I've read 20 pages so far.

Go me?

Also, I am only up to page 20 and I saw that Toog and Luke were in neighbourhoods. Has there been any news on the other people in there with them?

I'm only on page 20 though and things can change.

Seems unlikely in regards to you but you never know!

Why the stall at Page 20?
I probably won’t be spitballing thoughts like this much but this felt worthy.

~GE

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So I haven’t done the FULL ISO but I want to let out that my standards for BBT are kinda low since in my exp he’s kinda…bad as town?

~GE

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I read the remainder of BBT’s ISO and I don’t agree with anyone who SRs there rn. He’s a bit lazy and reactive but imo that’s not definite signs of scum particularly for him.

~GE

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So I haven’t done the FULL ISO but I want to let out that my standards for BBT are kinda low since in my exp he’s kinda…bad as town?

~GE

Implying that you think his iso looks town?

yeah ig
Unless a compelling argument is put forth for why he’s scum I’m gonna default to TRing him

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I read the remainder of BBT’s ISO and I don’t agree with anyone who SRs there rn. He’s a bit lazy and reactive but imo that’s not definite signs of scum particularly for him.

~GE

Hell yeah dude. Do you mind looking at many of my SRs, Roden + Dwlee + Taly?

I’ll cover them after the other ones from folks I specifically asked, there was a procedure behind who I asked
Btw

@Pookie

would like if you would respond vs. just discrediting DP

~GE

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So I haven’t done the FULL ISO but I want to let out that my standards for BBT are kinda low since in my exp he’s kinda…bad as town?

~GE

Implying that you think his iso looks town?

yeah ig
Unless a compelling argument is put forth for why he’s scum I’m gonna default to TRing him

~GE

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@pookie, bella, RAD, JF, dwlee, math

: do you have any slots in particular you'd like me to look at?

~GE

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i think jf/math r scum

no opinion on dwlee

rad is maybe a townlean atp i dunno.

bella probly town

That wasn’t the question
I wanted anyone you thought

I

should look at, not your opinions on the others in that list

~GE

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you should look at mathblade

Already kinda did so but I cut out the part mentioning it so it’s cool

~GE

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@mathblade

since you’re here I’d like to direct your attention towards 3368 as well

~GE

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Oh, MB is doing mastina-style catchup *sigh*

~GE

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Alright,
Rad - MathBlade - Frog.
Who else?
2 more baby!

This feels shallow

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Alright,
Rad - MathBlade - Frog.
Who else?
2 more baby!

This feels shallow

~GE

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yeah, mathblade seems more concerned about defending himself than anything else. i could see that being scum, but it does feel a bit mean to jump on him like that so i could also see those emotions coming from frustrated town.
i think giving him the space would be helpful.

im all for a possible klick wagon though! votes are too wagony for my liking. i feel like thats viable scum strat and their afkness let them slid by until now.

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I'm not really feeling scum Klick at all, the vote on Roden seems reasonable given there's a clear progression there from recent posts, and quite frankly we do need to start forming wagons at this point - thus far we've barely had any.

how are you not feeling klick scum at all?!??!!

klicks done barely anything, the majority of their notable contributions is "wagon on whatever wagon looks like itll go somewhere"? it feels like theyre just searching for a miselim?
literally WHERE does it look like theyre trying to genuinely push the game into a good state?

open their iso and point out what gives townie vibez?!??!?! bet u cant bet u cant

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Masons in a game without flips feels like it could be messy, but I don't actually know the best way to try to avoid the messiness :/

idk i dont think its all that messy if we play our cards right

enchant just instantly accepting it at facevalue is a bit weird though

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There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

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Masons in a game without flips feels like it could be messy, but I don't actually know the best way to try to avoid the messiness :/

idk i dont think its all that messy

if we play our cards right

enchant just instantly accepting it at facevalue is a bit weird though

What were you thinking about when you said play our cards right?

not thinking snything lol

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dont u feel lile enchants acting weird around this

its like he instantly believed roden and now hes defending rodens partner

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dont u feel lile enchants acting weird around this

its like they instantly believed roden and now theyre defending rodens partner

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Am more surprised by 4036 then by instantly believing a mason claim.

do u like enchant luke

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Am more surprised by 4036 then by instantly believing a mason claim.

do u like enchant luke

He seems like a nice enough guy

how

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drapion whyd u say enchant is mason? i dont see anything that leans towards that?

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wow luke u shouldve posted that 5 seconds earlier wtf

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what does them possibly being mason have to do with me tho?

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howd how i handle the slots seem weird

whats confirmed 100% that its a true claim or r u just assuming?

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literally answer my question??

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yeah roden either needs to claim it or lay down crumbs if he hasnt done so already

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my feet hurt so much so im hiding in the washroom

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bell what do u think of enchant?

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Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

Wdym by this Cephrir?

~GE

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you would expect someone who clearly has a reputation for being decent at this game to be a leader here

im not really a leader

sometimes i take the reins after all the natural leaders are dead

but most of the time i prefer to follow and am generally not good at persuading others to my point of view

big mood

~GE

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his 1493 which I leaned towards a scum motivation

also, consider: if i were scum, i would just do what i posted rather than post it

I buy this

~GE

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Overall I think cephrir seems town
He’s doing a bit more interesting stuff than I think he would as scum

~GE

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Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

Wdym by this Cephrir?

~GE

? seems pretty straightforward to me but

they suggested that hydras should not be suspected because they are likely nightkills

i agreed that they are likely nightkills and also said that i don't think that matters vis a vis whether we should suspect them. if i may editorialize, it's another example in a pattern of DP indirectly arguing they should be above suspicion

Okay
I was missing context so I read targeted as “suspected” vs night action target

~GE

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i think jf/math r scum

no opinion on dwlee

rad is maybe a townlean atp i dunno.

bella probly town

That wasn’t the question
I wanted anyone you thought

I

should look at, not your opinions on the others in that list

~GE

@pooky

still would like a proper response

~GE

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yeah dunn does look horrible, but he wasnt the only one calling for the mason2 to claim

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is there anyone other than mathblade that u want dead at this point?

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did i say mathblade alrdy

I forgot since I already did it (I TR Math)

~GE

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ftr I don't see why a hydra would be a likely nightkill
don't think I've ever gotten NKed as a hydra

~GE

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The above post really confuses me

Nancy thinks that someone being suspicious of her slot is equvelant to someone believing in QAnon Conspiracy theories, which is something that I think is pretty offensive ngl.

this feels extremely presumptuous

~GE

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ftr I don't see why a hydra would be a likely nightkill
don't think I've ever gotten NKed as a hydra

~GE

How is this a real thought?
You said this so generic like.
It means your also saying that the two best mafia players in the world also apply here regarding Hydra.
And it’s like, not true.

How is it NOT a real thought? Like, I had that idea simmering in my brainpan for a while, the allegation that it’s not a real thought feels like reaching for reasons to SR me.
IDK if I’d call that “generic” but there not really much other way to have written that out
Also, sure if both heads of a hydra are strong they might get n1ed but on average I would say most hydrae don’t get TR enough early to be nightkilled

~GE

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Both of our heads TR Math so that should probably be updated on the spreadsheet

~GE

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are we just letting mafia sort dunn for us? im confused it seems like the pressure there has eased up alot and i dont get why?

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oh is taly being bad in the hood?

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wheres best bird at LOL

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Didn’t like the way Hook was responding to me, could just be a personal Bias but I didn’t like it.

literally come fight me

bet u wont bet u wont

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i think we'll reach 500 pages before it ends

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rad whats ur thoughts on klick

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rad whats ur thoughts on klick

Null in general and leaning on Bella's read so I can spend time looking elsewhere. Anything specific you're seeing in klick?

yeah the lack of anything is what i see

do u townread bella then

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I think you have the highest awareness of the gamestate right now because of your extremely high activity levels.

"ceph is pocketing math by saying we should read his posts"
>posts this

didn't frogster say something about gamestate awareness as reason to suspect us?

~GE

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I think you have the highest awareness of the gamestate right now because of your extremely high activity levels.

"ceph is pocketing math by saying we should read his posts"
>posts this

didn't frogster say something about gamestate awareness as reason to suspect us?

~GE

Yeah ~GE, over 5000 posts ago

still felt I should confirm whether I remembered correctly
why do you think gamestate awareness is scummy? (if that's the read you have on cephrir)

~GE

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Those four are the top wagons.

Unless you have a goddamn miracle case someone is scum I don’t fucking care

Stop doing vanity wagons and listen to other people

There’s 5 scum in here

You don’t need your damn pet wagon

3/4ths if the game is treating this like goddamn RVS right now.

It’s not.

Fucking listen more

You’re the one not listening Math, Mala’s not a vanity wagon.

Read my case.

???
I'm assuming this is Titus; clearly you missed the part where Math said for people to vote mala/one of the other 3 wagons with more than two votes

~GE

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cephrir scum?

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cephrir scum?

for making a vote i have repeatedly stated i wanted to make for like, more than half the game at this point?

sure

did it make umad when i said that JDJSJJAJA I WANTED TO SEE UR REACTION

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it was mala who was left out of the holiday dance for inactiveness right?

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Mine

fucking scumclaim right here

stealing from young INNOCENT girls

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were u mad or frustrated at all..

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i hate u why didnt u make it funnier..

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Marci do you lolhammer?

ive done it once

it was at 2am and i was tired and didnt count votes i thought i was just helping pressure

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im growing numb to being inexplicably scumread

it's character development

ugh boring

whatll make u rage quit

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Marci do you lolhammer?

ive done it once

it was at 2am and i was tired and didnt count votes i thought i was just helping pressure

Did you like it?

NO LOL

I FELT SO BAD FOR THEM IT FELT LIKE THEY WERE BEING GANGED ON ANS I WAS PART OF THAT PROBLEM!! I JUST WANTED THEM TO HAVE FUN BUT I RUINED THEIR TIME

i was townread b4 the hammer too cuz i voteparked scum d1 very early on but then after that quickhammer i never regained my status again

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I have a feeling of a townread on the OTH/Luke hydra

Lmao

@lukewarm

you and me have to hydra at some point after this game now

~GE

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This does feel more like town Mala

Agree w this

~GE

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Just had to deal with my mom nagging the shit out of me about college coursework because she clearly doesn’t know how to navigate the website. So how’s your day?

~GE

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Are those really the top 3 right now?

Pretty sure that the top 4 wagons are those + johnny, but I did not want to encourage anyone to vote johnny lmao

This feels strange
Why the abject refusal to vote JF?

~GE

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I'm not sure what the point of expressing suspicion on Nancy is supposed to do at this point except trying to lit a fuse in a dynamite warehouse

Oh it’s a good thing Pooky because when I die, you will know who all the scum are.

Okay I’m putting a stop to this. This mindset is what made you so easy to pocket in store bought potions.

~GE

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We don't know who has really manufactured these wagons after all. For all we know these wagons were lead by scum. Roden is going to die tonight anyway, at least let them choose the D1 kill.

Dwlee chose you.

Lets sheep that Masons!

This is so cruel, I love it!

~GE

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is all the arguing just about frog?

i kinda want frog to rolecop me so i can see if hes telling the truth!!

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oh hang on i forgot to read my role PM

Dear Taly, You don't know who I am but I know who you are and I know what you done.

All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Taly or Cephrir.

NV: Everyone

WAIT WTF IS THIS

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VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

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I’m gonna have to accelerate to the part where I ISO Taly vs. doing the other ones I have from the main requests

~GE

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StD, Can you edit the gladiate reset post (6411) with the votes prior to the reset?

Thanks a bunch!

~Titus

I would also like this

~GE

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yay people are noticing me



as supreme toucan overlord, i demand tribute be paid in toucan sam gifs.

Taly is here! Hi Taly!

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me,

me want conversation

Frogs, why is BBT likelier scum than Titus?

Luke, why did you consider Galron?

Among BBT or Dancing Puppets I'm not sure which is more likely to be a scum slot. I think the BBT slot is objectively scummy by looking at the iso, and the Dancing Puppets slot is just pinging me hard based on my own subjective experiences. Unless BBT starts posting more, there's a higher chance I'll turn around on my Dancing Puppets read, as I've done with Malcolm and Galron already. I think there's a slightly lower chance I turn around on the Dancing Puppets slot because my PoE is getting tighter.

i might have missed but i also inquired on why you townread the people on your wagon

*Back pats T-bone*
You're wrong try again.
Also hi Taly!

lets gossip in the PT doll

i demand

nancy/titus/gamma/galron/pooky/dwlee (when you recover bb)

acknowledge me, my inertia as a replacement is weak so i want to skip this phase ASAP

BBT

, was that

frog

vote just to counter the wagon further or is there reason behind the vote?

Hello!

~GE