Ummm, they claimed the post restriction was day 1 only, what?In post 2874, MathBlade wrote:Because you’re the main focus
I can’t hyperpost like I used to and have work in the AM.
There is a high likelihood you just spam the thread then I die and Jin can’t talk.
So I brought it up with DNA and asked.
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Is the first paragraph in reference to me? I'm pretty sure I've only voiced that Puppet remains in my null/would vote list because I don't have a reason yet to remove them. For me personally, I'm waiting to see if that slot has any real substance. So far, I feel like they haven't. I haven't quite decided whether their insistence that everyone take meta super seriously is a crutch, or because they really have nothing of substance because they are scum. It seems most players in the game believe it's the first thing, not the second. I just don't know at this stage.In post 3127, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
The biggest thing for me was that he said he had been leaning scum on you all game but did absolutely nothing to try and further/push that read.In post 3116, Dancing Puppets wrote: It concerned me more that they didn’t really have too much to say about us but seemed to omgus read MT and Drap.
How do you read T-Bone? I keep being up and down on that slot.
I don't have a read on T-Bone, I can't say I have paid him a great deal of attention. I find a lot of the things he posts to be NAI.
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Or they are playing a good scum game and aren't a threat at all!In post 3141, Rad wrote:
No, I'm saying that any town slot that's being widely read as town is horrendously dangerous to scum and they need to be taken down a slot. Maybe town accomplishes that for them, or maybe scum has to push it. But it has to happen.In post 3139, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Rad, are you suggesting widely town read people should be able to do whatever they want without being questioned otherwise it's scum trying to undermine town reads?
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Sorry I'm not trying to suggest that you're doing anything wrong. If there are non-meta reasons you are reading players they are getting drowned out by your endless references to meta and past games.-
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Like, I don't know what reads you have that aren't based on past games. I'm not saying you don't have them, I'm saying I don't know what they are.-
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Why does that matter?In post 3196, RCEnigma wrote:
Do you and Nancy not have games together? Modded or modded by?In post 3191, T-Bone wrote:Sorry I'm not trying to suggest that you're doing anything wrong. If there are non-meta reasons you are reading players they are getting drowned out by your endless references to meta and past games.-
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In post 3286, RCEnigma wrote:Also never answered TBone, but Nancy has a very specific play style and meta is a large part of that. I just found it hard to believe with how long the two of you have been on site that you have never crossed paths and you would be aware of that but I guess not.meta vca math metameta is trash-
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Lol after I saw Luke's list I thought "okay maybe Klick is someone we have in common"In post 3339, Bell wrote:Not feelin' Klick town. Considered killing them. Decided that a mystery is something to be solved.
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In post 3359, Lukewarm wrote:
I actually cast my vote without seeing this question lmao.In post 3356, Off The Hook wrote:lukie have u ever played with klick
I don't believe I have any past games with klick.
What left you to asking this question?
ROFLIn post 3363, Lukewarm wrote:
I offer you 1 klick wagonIn post 3339, Bell wrote:Not feelin' Klick town. Considered killing them. Decided that a mystery is something to be solved.
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There at least I'm not vote parking on a player I said I wouldn't lim today honestly it's on all you for letting me get away with that scumclaim-
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Meta is fine as like a sub supplemental tool I guess.
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Unironically are you pocketing me?In post 3404, Dancing Puppets wrote:
Not by me. I sat on it. Klick has been my sekkrit scumread.In post 3397, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Was this also claimed? I'm losing track of neighborhoods
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In post 3440, Frogsterking wrote:Aaa fuck that's the grenade dropping I was trying to stop.
That post is so out of context I think it was meant for a PTIn post 3443, Bell wrote:
I don’t know what conclusions you’re reaching?In post 3442, T-Bone wrote:Far be it for me to jump to conclusions but there's one conclusion I immediately jump to.-
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lolIn post 3480, Bell wrote:
I had a convo earlier in the game about Frog, Granade throwing. It’s in reference to that.In post 3471, T-Bone wrote:In post 3440, Frogsterking wrote:Aaa fuck that's the grenade dropping I was trying to stop.
That post is so out of context I think it was meant for a PTIn post 3443, Bell wrote:
I don’t know what conclusions you’re reaching?In post 3442, T-Bone wrote:Far be it for me to jump to conclusions but there's one conclusion I immediately jump to.
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In post 3483, MathBlade wrote:I think NKA is one of the best ways to catch scum.meta vca math meta metanka istrashpog-
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Good point XDIn post 3496, Malakittens wrote:
But butIn post 3471, T-Bone wrote:In post 3440, Frogsterking wrote:Aaa fuck that's the grenade dropping I was trying to stop.
That post is so out of context I think it was meant for a PTIn post 3443, Bell wrote:
I don’t know what conclusions you’re reaching?In post 3442, T-Bone wrote:Far be it for me to jump to conclusions but there's one conclusion I immediately jump to.
Scum don’t have daytalk
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No no I am pro NKA that's why I called it pogIn post 3732, MathBlade wrote:Let me fucking catch up and stop slandering me every three seconds with obviously false bullshit-
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Honestly, Klick has been on every wagon I think? Don't quote me for sure, but in my mind Klick just pops in to see what's popular and gets on it. Part of me thinks 'okay, Klick ain't posting much' that explains it. But you're right that the engagement isn't there.In post 3656, Lukewarm wrote:As I read through tonight, and saw it happening, it felt like there were two people actively trying to keep the Math wagon alive after I abandoned ship. Pooky and Klick.
When I look back at how the two of them treated the slot, Pooky has had Corwin as a scum read for a while. He was scum on his reads list post, and scum in both spread sheets.
Comparatively, Klick did not mention a scum reading Corwin a single time until after I started my attempt to lead the thread. "Corwin" appears in Klick's iso in exactly 5 posts. Here is the progression, interspaced with when I first started trying to get people to move to corwin, and when I unvoted.
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No comment on Corwin.
I say we should wagon there.
An unoffensive join. "small scum read"
I say we should not kill Math
Now, the language is that the slot is "just scum and should die"
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Klick's engagement with this wagon reeks imo
Dunn is likely to be town so...yes. But also teasing that you have a partner is super weird.In post 3676, Lukewarm wrote:
And also that Dunn is very unlikely to be scum with my partnerIn post 3672, Lukewarm wrote:
I believe that we have learned that Dunn and CSF are very unlikely to be scum together.In post 3670, RCEnigma wrote:Disappointing.
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Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.
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I mean that's what I meant.In post 3778, Lukewarm wrote:
That should say with my neighbor lmaoIn post 3771, T-Bone wrote:
Dunn is likely to be town so...yes. But also teasing that you have a partner is super weird.In post 3676, Lukewarm wrote:
And also that Dunn is very unlikely to be scum with my partnerIn post 3672, Lukewarm wrote:
I believe that we have learned that Dunn and CSF are very unlikely to be scum together.In post 3670, RCEnigma wrote:Disappointing.
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This is an icky line of questioning. Let Toog rest in peace. Taly is here now and has basically played that slot's entire game.In post 3779, Frogsterking wrote:Ofc they replaced out for RL reasons, I'm saying if they were town they may feel more comfortable popping in every now and then.
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Not really. I decided to write the slot off because of the neighborhood with Bell. That was back in the time there was only like two claimed hoods, so that decision was perhaps premature. Taly's posts are like noise in my head though. I need to go back check the last time I talked to Taly.In post 3789, Frogsterking wrote:
While we're on the topic, do you feel Taly has posted anything AI, TBone?In post 3786, T-Bone wrote:
This is an icky line of questioning. Let Toog rest in peace. Taly is here now and has basically played that slot's entire game.In post 3779, Frogsterking wrote:Ofc they replaced out for RL reasons, I'm saying if they were town they may feel more comfortable popping in every now and then.
Can you elaborate on the Taly townread? You're the first one I've heard say this.
Corwin was so obviously town, but we don't agree there so I mean...Dancing Puppets wrote:
Based on?In post 3782, T-Bone wrote:Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.
And like,he inherited a town slot...
Also who would you lim instead then?
And I'm voting for Klick. I haven't been satisfied with the leading wagons all day, and had Klick in the back of my mind for awhile. I'm not sure if that's where I'll end the day on, but I know I don't want it to be Math or Ceph for sure (as my town reads who have been pushed as options all day).-
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Honestly the weirdest thing about Taly for me was when they came in an unironically gave a read on their predecessor like that was a totally normal thing to do. It's kind of tryhard, especially since Taly likes to shout about their obvious-townieness...but it's not enough for me to say scum. They are a weird slot, but not a need to deal with today slot for me.-
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I think Corwin got a bad rap because he started the game away from it and had to come in on the back foot with people scum reading him when he literally wasn't in the game yet. He didn't let himself get sucked into it too much. He asked questions about people's reads, he gave his own observations pretty freely without having to be pestered. When I pressed him about his read on BBT, I felt he gave the type of honest answer that scum don't often give (basically a nice nuanced idk). And yeah, I tend to town read people who have similar reads to mine. I never played with Corwin before, so it's not like he would know that and do something about it. Nor am I a big enough presence to warrant such treatment. I also thought he was pretty open to continually revaluate his reads. So like, yeah I initially town read him for a joke, but he came into it in a way that satisfied me. He also didn't make any posts I found scummy, so I don't even know of any examples in this game that would counter the positives of what I have seen.In post 3802, Dancing Puppets wrote:
Why was he so obviously town?In post 3795, T-Bone wrote:
Not really. I decided to write the slot off because of the neighborhood with Bell. That was back in the time there was only like two claimed hoods, so that decision was perhaps premature. Taly's posts are like noise in my head though. I need to go back check the last time I talked to Taly.In post 3789, Frogsterking wrote:
While we're on the topic, do you feel Taly has posted anything AI, TBone?In post 3786, T-Bone wrote:
This is an icky line of questioning. Let Toog rest in peace. Taly is here now and has basically played that slot's entire game.In post 3779, Frogsterking wrote:Ofc they replaced out for RL reasons, I'm saying if they were town they may feel more comfortable popping in every now and then.
Can you elaborate on the Taly townread? You're the first one I've heard say this.
Corwin was so obviously town, but we don't agree there so I mean...Dancing Puppets wrote:
Based on?In post 3782, T-Bone wrote:Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.
And like,he inherited a town slot...
Also who would you lim instead then?
And I'm voting for Klick. I haven't been satisfied with the leading wagons all day, and had Klick in the back of my mind for awhile. I'm not sure if that's where I'll end the day on, but I know I don't want it to be Math or Ceph for sure (as my town reads who have been pushed as options all day).
As for Mathblade, most of his posts are NAI. It's clear he is crumbling to the pressure, but I don't think it's because he's scum, i think it's because he's frustrated. We can't scumread everyone for getting upset when they are scum read.-
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I think this was distinctly different from defending your predecessor.In post 3815, Dancing Puppets wrote:
Idk why that’s necessarily weird? I’ve done that too, it actually reads +town to me. I replaced into a scumslot in Slaughter Hour and my predecessor was super scummy, so I was either defending them or hoping people would forget about them.In post 3803, T-Bone wrote:Honestly the weirdest thing about Taly for me was when they came in an unironically gave a read on their predecessor like that was a totally normal thing to do. It's kind of tryhard, especially since Taly likes to shout about their obvious-townieness...but it's not enough for me to say scum. They are a weird slot, but not a need to deal with today slot for me.-
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Okay you know that referencing games I wasn't in and aren't going to read doesn't mean anything to me, right?-
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croakyIn post 3834, Frogsterking wrote:
What's my tone?In post 3819, Dancing Puppets wrote:
I read it as nai but I keep getting townpings from his tone.In post 3806, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
This is Wolf.In post 3768, Frogsterking wrote:Come on guys we've only got 12 hours to reach 24 votes on Math and make their dream come true
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Sheep me all the way!In post 3838, Frogsterking wrote:3813 I can sheep with the exception I think Math posts have been AI already-
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I am genuinely bewildered that anyone can consider me scum.In post 3844, Dunnstral wrote:My read on the Taly slot was that I thought Toog's second post was slightly town indicative. They seemed genuinely bewildered that they could be considered as scum.
Or town.
I have big cult leader energy. Who wants to be recruited?
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If y'all want to help me out I'm looking for that sweet spot of 7 town reads and 7 scum reads let's gooooooo-
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I think Math's posts, specifically the ones you are citing, is NAI because I think it's just his reaction to the pressure. He's not handling it well right now and wouldn't be making those posts were he.
Also there's like a little bit of validity in the idea of momentum in this game. It's not wrong to say that theere is no momentum to lim Pooky. That's objectively true at the moment. I don't think it's because of Pooky's popularity, I think it's because he's been null posting to kinda helpful with the reads spreadsheet (even though he hasn't posted an update to it in DAYS).-
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We had to also reply to the game mod to confirm our roles...so Toog forgot that they would have replied neighbor or something like that to STD?In post 3857, Dunnstral wrote:
It's different because it was based on a misunderstanding of their role rather than a sort of grandstanding about how other people should read them. They claim they thought they were a mason and gave an explanation.In post 3851, T-Bone wrote:
I am genuinely bewildered that anyone can consider me scum.In post 3844, Dunnstral wrote:My read on the Taly slot was that I thought Toog's second post was slightly town indicative. They seemed genuinely bewildered that they could be considered as scum.
Or town.
I have big cult leader energy. Who wants to be recruited?
But also like half the players in this playlist keep asserting they are obviously town and we all should see it, why is this one different?
Now that I write that out though, that seems shaky. The role pm they received would not have said they were cleared.
I don't feel strongly either way about Taly's posts.
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Sometimes it's hard to read tilt. I was close to voting Puppets' the other night for their interactions with Penguin but pulled back because it would have been frustration talking.In post 3861, Lukewarm wrote:I also disliked all of those posts.
But it all felt like it came from him just being incredibly tilted. And town can tilt.-
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Bell to yellow and Klick to red are my major changes. I thought I moved other people around but I don't remember so it must not be important.-
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Well I misremembered the post. Either way I think it's a nothing burger and the slot has basically been Taly's the whole game.In post 3870, Lukewarm wrote:In post 3857, Dunnstral wrote:It's different because it was based on a misunderstanding of their role rather than a sort of grandstanding about how other people should read them. They claim they thought they were a mason and gave an explanation.
Now that I write that out though, that seems shaky. The role pm they received would not have said they were cleared.Looking back at the neighbor portion of my role pm, I actually find it odd to come to the conclusion that it would mean you were masons if his wording was the same.
I actually just went back to see exactly what Toog said
And I realized that maybe he was thinking flavor matched alignment? Because the mod confirmed the Flavor of my neighbor.In post 657, Toogeloo wrote:I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.
My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone.
So, if he thought that the mafia would be the show's villians, being told that Bell was Boone might have come across that way maybe?-
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Okay you can make yourself green for me too Pooky. I just remembered how satisfying that diagonal line is-
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So what you're saying is.....quick lim Enchant and Dwlee???In post 3880, Lukewarm wrote:
Would be better if everyone had actually posted a list so every line was filledIn post 3878, T-Bone wrote:Okay you can make yourself green for me too Pooky. I just remembered how satisfying that diagonal line is-
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I'm petty enough to do it tbh-
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/inb4 T-Bone scumslippedIn post 3887, Lukewarm wrote:
And start bullying Mala to get hers doneIn post 3882, T-Bone wrote:
So what you're saying is.....quick lim Enchant and Dwlee???In post 3880, Lukewarm wrote:
Would be better if everyone had actually posted a list so every line was filledIn post 3878, T-Bone wrote:Okay you can make yourself green for me too Pooky. I just remembered how satisfying that diagonal line is-
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Okay this is all I ever wantedIn post 3889, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
looks a bit better
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It might be worth getting into that a bit? Like do you see them drastically different in the PT vs here? Are they saying things you find questionable?In post 3927, Klick wrote:
For what it's worth, this Klick scumread was in her notes post in the neighbourhood!In post 3435, T-Bone wrote:
Unironically are you pocketing me?In post 3404, Dancing Puppets wrote:
Not by me. I sat on it. Klick has been my sekkrit scumread.In post 3397, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Was this also claimed? I'm losing track of neighborhoods
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The ability to get coroberation or lack their of from the two players.In post 3972, RCEnigma wrote:
What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?In post 3782, T-Bone wrote:Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.
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Low key I'm getting buyer's remorse from the Klick vote now.-
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Masons in a game with also a bunch of neighborhoods?In post 4001, Roden wrote:Yeah I'm not going to bother trying to keep up at this point, 70 pages is too much.
I can vaguely tell there's a wagon on me. I'm claiming Mason.-
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I'm gonna think about this. Good points maybe you're right.In post 3997, RCEnigma wrote:Both feel loose and free flowing. Mala just exudes town demeanor.
The Klick townread is more substantial. My only real issue with Klick was the voting but I asked myself what I found scummy about it and couldn’t pin it down. Their votes are very openly displaying what they think at that particular moment readswise and have actually been used to develop those reads (Example, the step back from cephrir and again on my slot.)
What I think is happening in regards to Klick is twofold. People are conflating thread presence with perceived town behavior and playing as if the two go hand in hand. As well as, slots are just giving Klick the old jab, jab, step back…..but they keep stepping back and Klick gets scummier in retrospect as a result.
What do I mean by that? Well I don’t recall an instance outside of ceph where Klick engaged with a slot and they came out with a Klick scumread from it. It’s all been after the fact.
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I feel like flavor roles will be revealed, just not roles themselves?In post 4022, Lukewarm wrote:
Or conversely, for anyone to claim to be bernard after Roden has died.In post 4019, Dunnstral wrote:
It opens Roden up to claiming mason with any random person who dies.In post 4012, Lukewarm wrote:Masons in a game without flips feels like it could be messy, but I don't actually know the best way to try to avoid the messiness :/-
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I'm in camp Roden's mason needs to be outted. Like, there is value in openly tying to slots together that outweighs any need to protect masons if true.In post 4134, Lukewarm wrote:I am of the opinion that Bernard should claim if he exists.
If no one claims masons with Roden, we kill Roden.
If someone does, we kill Dunn
I'm skeptical of masons in a game with so many neighborhoods. It's possible sure.
Secrecy just hurts us in the long run. We already have the info Roden is claiming mason. The cat is out of the bag.
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Excluding 5 people besides Pooky for no reason is weird, but it's not like anyone one of those players couldn't come in and either affirm or dispute the claim. If it was me, I'd have just claimed and left Dunn's theory dead in the water. It's not really that manipulative imo, because if Roden is actually a mason and the partner claims then everything Dunn says is moot. It really only applies if Roden is fake claiming.-
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So like maybe you can make an argument that Dunn knows Roden is fake claiming cause they are both scum...but that doesn't seem to be the argument you're making?-
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Weird but all right.In post 4171, Lukewarm wrote:
I think that he was, in thread, going to pressure for Roden to out his partner.In post 4170, Lukewarm wrote:In post 4167, T-Bone wrote:Excluding 5 people besides Pooky for no reason is weird, but it's not like anyone one of those players couldn't come in and either affirm or dispute the claim. If it was me, I'd have just claimed and left Dunn's theory dead in the water. It's not really that manipulative imo, because if Roden is actually a mason and the partner claims then everything Dunn says is moot. It really only applies if Roden is fake claiming.
I don't think that scum!dunn wanted to make this argument.In post 4169, T-Bone wrote:So like maybe you can make an argument that Dunn knows Roden is fake claiming cause they are both scum...but that doesn't seem to be the argument you're making?
I think that he intended to quote them, copy them, post them in a scum chat, but accidentally posted those reads lists here, and then was backed into explaining why he did that.
But in PT, going to try and work out who the partner could be himself.-
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What indeed!In post 4182, Bell wrote:
Like, what is this? Who does this?In post 4111, Dancing Puppets wrote:
Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....In post 4108, MathBlade wrote:
They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this postIn post 4105, Enchant wrote:
What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.In post 4102, MathBlade wrote:
Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?In post 4094, Enchant wrote:If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.
Like? No?
So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim
It wouldn’t work
VOTE: Roden
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None the cat's already out of the bag! There's no utility to keeping it a secret anymore.In post 4268, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Wait, hold on. Roles are not revealed upon death so it's surely +EV for scum to NOT have the Mason claim? If it's a fake claim, and only one of them claim, then they get a ride off of it. If it's fake, two scum would have to claim Mason to make it viable, no?
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Can't believe I caught up on 20 pages and we still haven't resolved the mason thing.
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Some people are defending by saying he shouldn't put the mason partner. Those people are wrong but they do exist.-
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The resistance to the claim continues to ping me as odd. We have no known way mechanically to either tie the players together or confirm them post mortem. So like...???
Masons are barely a town utility role anyway who cares?-
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