LOST (Game Over)

[Best Bird]

Okay, permanent spot on my scum reads list.

Hello friend. Let me catch up and post my reads list.

[Best Bird]

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Bell, T-Bone}

{Malakittens, Galron, Roden, Rad, Mathblade, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant}

{Taly, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad, Cat Scratch Fever, Dunnstral}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

quick catchup, but this is about where I'm at...Dancing Puppet may or may not have switched with BBT.

[Best Bird]

He obviously thought NM was on the playerlist.

So......

Just means that he isn't paired with NM...which *gasp* doesn't meant anything.

[Best Bird]

Switched from where to where suddenly suspicious bird

idk - that penguin dude posted a similar readlist a couple pages ago...the theif.

[Best Bird]

I'm still too high coward

nah - we had a mindmeld. you are at the appropriate level for now.

[Best Bird]

but you have to call me best bird now

[Best Bird]

don't understand that post at all

[Best Bird]

if you keep setting yourself up, you lose points.

[Best Bird]

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Bell, T-Bone}

{Malakittens, Galron, Roden, Rad, Mathblade, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant}

{Taly, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad, Cat Scratch Fever, Dunnstral}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

quick catchup, but this is about where I'm at...Dancing Puppet may or may not have switched with BBT.

Could Titus actually be right about you? Unless you have another alt called “bad bitd”?

don't understand that post at all

[Best Bird]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

[Best Bird]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

so it

is

literally just me saying that your slot is scum...and everything else was just chaff. cool.

[Best Bird]

VOTE: dancing puppets

don't really care where the vc is at this point

[Best Bird]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

idk what game you are talking about wrt me and you playing.

appreciate the input on dunn, csf, and taly, but i don't agree atm. maybe i can push dunn up a slot.

[Best Bird]

mmmm

[Best Bird]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

so it

is

literally just me saying that your slot is scum...and everything else was just chaff. cool.

No, I really don’t appreciate you continuing to mischaracterizing my posts. Just because I made this statement - in THIS post - doesn’t even remotely negate what I previously posted about your other reads. Are you even honestly trying to solve me or just continue to twist my words?

~N

You're in a hydra and I will respond to what your slot does as a hydra. Work it out in your hydra PT. I won't be acknowleding hydra dissonance here.

[Best Bird]

Thank you for doing what your hydra partner couldn't!

I am pretty sure that both the earlier posts refusing to elaborate, and that post elaborating were both coming from Nancy lol

hard to tell when some are signed and some aren't then....

[Best Bird]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

idk what game you are talking about wrt me and you playing.

appreciate the input on dunn, csf, and taly, but i don't agree atm. maybe i can push dunn up a slot.

Maybe

you

should read.

[Best Bird]

PYP where I was in a scum hydra with Pooky and replaced Lillith and you played on this account.

forgive me if i don't remember a game from 2 years ago...

i'm out. really am on v/la and i can't handle this nonsense atm.

[Best Bird]

jfc - don't go v/la during a large theme...

someone want to give me a quick rundown how yesterday ended like it did? I'm not reading 5000 posts.

[Best Bird]

VOTE: Johnny

im willing to kill either one

every time I vote math he starts spamming the thread and I'm not ready
but if you get him close my vote is ready

Flavor

Vote Count 2.1

7 Mathblade (Lukewarm, Bell, Taly, Cat Scratch Fever, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Off the Hook)
3 Bluebloodedtoffee (Mathblade, Roden, Dancing Puppets)
1 JohnnyFarrar (PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 Bellaphant (ProfessorDrapion)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Rad)
1 Taly (Enchant)

Not Voting (Bellaphant, Dwlee99, Best Bird, JohnnyFarrar, Malakittens, T-Bone, Mislim Bait, MalcolmTucker)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-30 19:22:50)

Mod Notes

Replacing Dwlee99
Mathblade V/LA

[Best Bird]

Presuming Taly is town here though

Why are we doing this?

[Best Bird]

Presuming Taly is town here though

Why are we doing this?

It was in my hypothetical scenario, but I do TR Taly.

ok - but why? you were on the taly wagon yesterday, no?

[Best Bird]

Because it was a gladiate. We had to vote out Ceph or Taly. I didn't want no lim, and fundamentally didn't believe in the end that scum Ceph would have risked gladiating Taly D1 when they were unlikely to be voted out anyway. I had my doubts and understand why other people felt it could be a scum gambit but didn't think it was worth the risk in the end. I'd also TR'd Ceph for a while before the gladiate anyway, so was in a position where I'd have to vote for someone I didn't really think was scum.

ok - that explains why you were on wagon, but why are you tr'ing taly?

[Best Bird]

VOTE: math

[Best Bird]

how's it going pengy

busy day at work but it's lunch time now so pretty good

u?

[Best Bird]

that sucks - i'm having homemade nigirizushi - maguro/sake/tako

[Best Bird]

this post is absolutely horrible and I hate the idea of having to explain why

you may hate the idea, but what about the action of explaining why...for those of us with bird brains.

[Best Bird]

I'd be down for wagoning Malcolm just to see this mystery novel get w i l d

same tbh

[Best Bird]

VOTE: malcolm

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?

Gonna coast until I find something to grab on to...yeah.

[Best Bird]

I don’t townread Malcolm but I townread Luke and trust that his reasoning for townreading Malcolm is somewhat substantiated, not that it’s necessarily correct. So for that reason, today I’m out.

[Best Bird]

Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?

Gonna coast until I find something to grab on to...yeah.

373 pages, 3 flips.
You need to trade those flippers out for hands.

yeah - 373 pages of which i've read a 1/10th of (and probably only 1/10th is of actual use) and a gladiated d1 flip....ooooh - so much info.

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

There should be some pretty AI reactions to it.

Should be or are? If there are, point them out to me so I can grab on to something.

[Best Bird]

what questions

[Best Bird]

idk - you're the one that said you had questions

[Best Bird]

There should be some pretty AI reactions to it.

Should be or are? If there are, point them out to me so I can grab on to something.

Taly is town.
Taly isn't town.

Do scum:
Pretend to solve about which one is more likely?
Ignore it?
Switch votes every five seconds.
Argue about who to lim a lot.
Sit on one.
Say that "i just want this day to be over with?"
Throw a tantrum?
Pretend they died at their computers?

all of the above and none of the above...disappointing really.

[Best Bird]

Oh - I can talk to dead people, but only Ceph since the other two weren't dead during N1.

Ceph isn't happy with a lot of you so ymmv in terms of getting something answered

[Best Bird]

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

Potentially one of them. I only have one more shot.

[Best Bird]

I am interested in hearing his reads, post dunn and frog flip.

don't think they have changed at all. i asked about pooky and he said he can see pooky scum but it's been quiet other than that.

i'll ask and see what i get.

[Best Bird]

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

Potentially one of them. I only have one more shot.

There some reason you didn't find Mala's announcement weird or anything? They claimed they could talk to dead people and only really retracted it a lot later.

Probably because I didn’t see it given the 9000 posts and 1/10th thing. Maybe.

[Best Bird]

Why did you just claim anyway?

idk - but it sure didn’t have anything to do with the list of claimed neighbor in the preceding post. nope.

[Best Bird]

That order only applies to conflicting actions where the golden rule breaks down.

Now, that said, this isn’t a normal game and isn’t required to use NAR.

[Best Bird]

Oh - I can talk to dead people, but only Ceph since the other two weren't dead during N1.

Ceph isn't happy with a lot of you so ymmv in terms of getting something answered

Ah.

I am interested in hearing his reads, post dunn and frog flip.

I had more specific questions for the two that you say you cannot talk to tho lol

Ceph think Math-slot is probably scum.

[Best Bird]

So apparently DNA is right and dying did not prevent any actions from receiving results. Killing happens at the end of the night.

Oh hey look. We are using NAR.

[Best Bird]

I mean - that. That’s what’s going on rn.

[Best Bird]

Why?

[Best Bird]

Mmm…we don’t gel well though.

[Best Bird]

Oh we both disagree with that take.

[Best Bird]

Gladiate was obvtown.

[Best Bird]

Why?

I want to know his role. If he was a friendly neighbor like everyone thought, I want to know who he targeted. Since no one claimed getting it.

I am more invested in that then a single role cop result, especially because when we had the discussion on who he would target, people suggested Dunn

They should target me as a backup in case I get role blocked.

Now is the time for any last minute suggestions.

And by suggestions I mean mainly coming from Dunnstral since they're here and seem intelligent.

He did not say that he was definitly doing that, but he did seem open to following dunn's lead there.


I am also more inclined to give weight to Dunn's reads over Frogs.

Appreciate your desire and your thoughts on the weight of his reads...Dunn and I don't gel well so I'm not inclined to add him absent a very good reason which has not been presented.

[Best Bird]

If you go with Frog, now that we know he should have a result, I won't be upset.


But I would prefer dunn.

Noted.

[Best Bird]

Should we actually do this?

VOTE: cg

why?

[Best Bird]

Doesn't help that we're off wagon atm

[Best Bird]

i don't really believe it's finished tbh

[Best Bird]

Not Voting (Bellaphant, butterchurn, Best Bird, JohnnyFarrar, Malakittens, MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook)

Also this

mmm...they still aren't voting....i don't like that

[Best Bird]

Is it really so bad, that you too can’t come together for the sake of a game? Like, if Frogs is seriously the better option, then of course fine but if not, I would hope that the two of you can rise beyond whatever differences for the sake of the game, no?

I mean - no. Not at all. When I say "gel" it's more of a natural conversation. I'm sure we could be ++ for town.

ooop

[Best Bird]

tbf - there is a part of me that feels Dunn is just going to spend a lot of time questioning my alignment in the PT...but that has no basis...just gut.

[Best Bird]

I'm not sure what the issue is?

it's a vanity vote

[Best Bird]

i'm not sure what is confusing about my statement

[Best Bird]

Unofficial Vote Count Gentoo-Edition

8 Mathblade (Bell, Taly, RCEnigma, ProfessorDrapion, butterchurn, Cat Scratch Fever, MalcolmTucker, Rad)
5 Cytosine and Guanine (BlueBloodedToffee, T-Bone, Bellaphant, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar)
3 MalcolmTucker (PookyTheMagicalBear, Best Bird, Mislim Bait)
2 Bluebloodedtoffee (Mathblade, Roden)

1 Enchant (Dancing Puppets)
1 Dancing Puppets (Enchant)

Not Voting (Malakittens, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-30 19:22:50)

[Best Bird]

It's not true? Like I said I don't have a VC but there were definitely four wagons that were not vanity.

hmm...you're right - guess there was more consolidation than i thought

[Best Bird]

maybe enchant and dancing puppets can actually do something worthwhile as welll....maybe

[Best Bird]

ok then

VOTE: mathblade

[Best Bird]

unless my votecount is intentionally wrong and he is already hammered

[Best Bird]

it's not though - i promise

[Best Bird]

my pretty awesome votecount obviously

[Best Bird]

which dead person am i bringing to the sixth sense discussion tonight?

vote gentoo for frogster or macaroni for dunn

[Best Bird]

Do you need to do it tonight?

i don't have to, no. but both options are pretty good - why should i wait?

[Best Bird]

...that's my serious answer though. Not about me, I'm shit and easily led. But like, someone like rad? Maybe Luke.

The more info the better tho? Although, stupid question, is the dead person still allowed to follow the thread?

I mean - dunn and frogster are both good from this perspective and from the perspective that they assumedly were PRs...

Yes, the dead people can still follow the thread.

mmm....maybe i should delay one more phase to see what happens tonight.

[Best Bird]

maybe enchant and dancing puppets can actually do something worthwhile as welll....maybe

Excuse me? I think I’ve done a helluva lot more than you this game?

you were one of very few not voting at the time, you are excused.

[Best Bird]

i am never wrong

[Best Bird]

i am never wrong

[Best Bird]

yes, of course. +5 penguin points awarded.

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

if you think someone broke site rules hit that report button in the upper right...otherwise let's move on and focus on the fact that c&g definitely does not know what's going on right now

[Best Bird]

I’m not lying, I hard claim Investigative role.

oooh - spicy

[Best Bird]

I'm a doc, hence I think there must be two from flavour, I was on rad n1 then bell.

Ok so I guess this isn’t entirely a redcheck then.


I Hardclaim Tracker


N1: CSF - Action Failed for some reason
N2: Bella visited Bell.

not nearly as spicy as i thought...tracker with multiple prs in the game is never

A POTENTIAL VERY LIKELY RED CHECK

[Best Bird]

@BB, did you pick someone last night to talk to?

no - i withheld at the advice of ceph + paranoia of a roleblock since I claimed only one shot left

[Best Bird]

VOTE: bella

[Best Bird]

....the scum read is 4000+ posts out of date, Luke. Plus, Bell's end of day posting was just really solve focused, especially their stuff around Taly. Thats also not how I presented my role at all.


I'm macho. Hence me having no issues believing bell could be too.

yeah - but "mellow" on a hard scum read 4000 posts later is not "strong town" and the delay in posting this your macho "modifier. (i think, bad at mech)" doesn't look good either.

[Best Bird]

Bella issue resolves itself in time, no?

only if we commit to yeeting her tomorrow if she's still alive otherwise it's a wifom game.

and i don't trust people to commit to doing that tbh

[Best Bird]

why would scum even shoot bella at night if they have an ungated strongman

They probably don't. Isn't the idea here that both Bell and Bella are potentially "macho" so Bella's doc save on him just didn't work? Or am I reading macho wrong, this term is new to me...

yes - that's what is being posited after much delay in the macho modifier being presented.

[Best Bird]

Because Strongman can be elimmed?

have you ever seen an ungated strongman on this site y/n?

why would scum even shoot bella at night if they have an ungated strongman

Have you ever seen an ungated strongman?

[Best Bird]

I’d be more inclined to believe it if Bella had mentioned it before Nancy brought it up.

[Best Bird]

have you ever seen an ungated strongman on this site y/n?

why would scum even shoot bella at night if they have an ungated strongman

Have you ever seen an ungated strongman?

lol

stop mindmelding with me

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

Unofficial Vote Count Jackass-Edition

8 Bellaphant (Enchant, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Best Bird, ProfessorDrapion, Cat Scratch Fever, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker)


Not Voting (Malakittens, Cytosine and Guanine, Taly, butterchurn, Rad, Off the Hook, Bellaphant, T-Bone, JohnnyFarrar, Roden, Mislim Bait, Dancing Puppets, BlueBloodedToffee)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-05 20:52:15)

[Best Bird]

I don't wanna blahblahblah for 10 days either. But we just started this day. Also literally the game is just blahblahblah so we should probably do some of that first. Specifically I'd love if Taly popped in soon to blahblahblah about Bell's flavor and Bella came to blahblahblah to my question.

this post reminds me so much of matt colville

[Best Bird]

blahblahblah in the dooblydoo

[Best Bird]

I watched so many of him videos when my friends and I started playing dungeons and Dragons, and I ended up having to DM

same

[Best Bird]

hmm - i guess mine is an episode title. I just thought it was a statement of fact...

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

Bella issue resolves itself in time, no?

only if we commit to yeeting her tomorrow if she's still alive otherwise it's a wifom game.

and i don't trust people to commit to doing that tbh

Bella issue never resolves itself what is this???

i mean - that's what i said. it only resolves itself we give it a night and we yeet bella tomorrow regardless. otherwise it's a wifom game and doesn't resolve itself.

reading comprehension ftw

[Best Bird]

ok this might be dumb

but if the scum have "unlimited strongman shots" why exactly is our doctor "macho"

wouldn't the assumption be that there is no strongman but the macho modifier exists?

[Best Bird]

ok this might be dumb

but if the scum have "unlimited strongman shots" why exactly is our doctor "macho"

wouldn't the assumption be that there is no strongman but the macho modifier exists?

? what do u mean

if there's no strongman then the only way bella can be doctor is if bell was also macho

right - that's what bella stated

I'm macho. Hence me having no issues believing bell could be too.

[Best Bird]

I was agreeing with you because you quoted a nice post

need to work on my reading comprehension then

[Best Bird]

lol

[Best Bird]

What a stretch…trying to match flavor to roles is dumb. My characters flavor has zero to do with my role.

[Best Bird]

mmm…guess I don’t know this show very well.

[Best Bird]

Everybody Hates Hugo

[Best Bird]

Seems weird to me to determine roles based on flavor but oh well…here we are.

[Best Bird]

idk - I didn’t see the advert. I was asked to join. Makes sense I guess since only alignment flips though.

[Best Bird]

Yes. It’s a normal role.

[Best Bird]

I took the "mostly" to mean that he was leaving himself leeway to make changes after the rand if he felt like it was clearly town or scum sided.

Makes sense given the game has to be balanced.

[Best Bird]

Ok so scum doc is possible, cool, good to know.

Let's suppose scum!Bella's doc claim is legit for a moment.

Does scum!Bella the doc target Bell as the one making the kill? Wouldn't scum!Bella the doc target the scum killer in case Bell is POG or something? Or maybe scum has an invest role and scum!Bella the doc sits on them just in case? Why is scum!Bella the doc killing Bell?

You’re overthinking based on hypotheticals instead of what has transpired.

Fun to analyze after the game.

[Best Bird]

Another question:

Does scum!Bella targeting X!scum who's going to kill Bell be seen as visiting Bell or X?

Not unless there’s a redirect.

[Best Bird]

Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.

[Best Bird]

Scum would have to be multitasking. But I think it really hinges on if Bella flavor makes sense as macho or not.

Multitasking scum isn’t uncommon - but is certainly a choice in a game like this.

[Best Bird]

My thought process here is scum!Bella the doc is on scum!X the killer who is going to kill Bell. Does PD see Bella visited X or Bella visited Bell?

I’ve answered this.

[Best Bird]

Hey enchant is on point!

[Best Bird]

Love mobile…

Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.

Bella is seems as targeting X unless there is a redirect on Bella or Bell is a lightning rod.

[Best Bird]

@Rad.

Drap's tracker result says: Bella targeted exactly Bell, and only Bell, with anything that Bella used that targeted someone overnight.

I don't know how to make that any clearer, so I hope that helps.

I mean - if there was a redirect, Drap wouldn’t be notified.

[Best Bird]

Love mobile…

Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.

Bella is seems as targeting X unless there is a redirect on Bella or Bell is a lightning rod.

Ok thank you. I'll look up lightning rod but that's really overcomplicating it I think.

What this suggests to me is we can rule out the scenario where scum!Bella is targeting scum!X who is going to kill Bell.

I get that I'm "overthinking" this but if we're not going to think through all the scenarios and conclude which is the most likely one, let's just RVS till the end of the game. We've got some reads and claims and a red flip and if we just rush into flipping Bella here, why are we playing this game?

No…it isn’t rvs. It’s Occam’s razor (dear god I finally said it).

[Best Bird]

It was not redirect, otherwise why claim you was on Bell, if you was on someone else? Even as mafia, it's kind of dumb.

Of course it wasn’t. Rad was asking hypotheticals.

[Best Bird]

Hard disagree. You are assuming modifiers to roles which create more complication.

[Best Bird]

One can assume Bella is a doc and Bella killed bell without any modifiers.

[Best Bird]

@Rad.

Drap's tracker result says: Bella targeted exactly Bell, and only Bell, with anything that Bella used that targeted someone overnight.

I don't know how to make that any clearer, so I hope that helps.

I mean - if there was a redirect, Drap wouldn’t be notified.

I feel like that still falls under what I said. That would mean that the redirector changed her target to Bell. And she therefore targeted only Bell.

But this is also semantics on whether "Bella targeted" means "Bella submit a target on" or "in the end, bella's ability targeted"

I mean “Bella targeted exactly bell” implies that’s what actually happened…given the use of exactly.

[Best Bird]

Nah everyone jumped on Bella without any analysis, is why I'm comparing it to RVS.

Actually Occam's Razor given the likelihood of Bella being an actual doc based on flavor is that town!Bella sat on Bell and Bell is macho so now he's dead.

You gotta deny Bella's a doc at all for there to be a better Occam's Razor cause the scum!Bella doc scenarios are complicated.

HARD disagree.

Continuing to mind meld.

[Best Bird]

Starting to agree with ceph tbh.

[Best Bird]

Starting to agree with ceph tbh.

On johnny scum?

*ding ding*

[Best Bird]

I wish BB would tell us what he learned from his convo and who with.

uhhhh....i did already.

@BB, did you pick someone last night to talk to?

no - i withheld at the advice of ceph + paranoia of a roleblock since I claimed only one shot left

[Best Bird]

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[Best Bird]

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

mmm...

it's not like bella disputed the track...

[Best Bird]

Sorry I should add on that Drap also claimed to not get a result night 1. So it is really claim vs claim here. Nothing is proved without a flip, and in light of that a Bella town flip makes Drap likely scum.

This is not true though. Bella confirmed that she visited Bell, which confirms Drap as a Tracker. Bella offered an alternative reason to a night kill (which I don't believe), but if she telling the truth it doesn't point to Drap scum. It just confirms the alternative reason offered.

[Best Bird]

Sorry I should add on that Drap also claimed to not get a result night 1. So it is really claim vs claim here. Nothing is proved without a flip, and in light of that a Bella town flip makes Drap likely scum.

Disagree.

Drap said: I HAVE A GUILTY ON BELLA
Bella said: I visited Bell, but I'm still town.


Bella confirmed the drap is telling the truth about being a tracker, so Bellas alignment has nothing to do with Draps at this point

still mindmelding.

[Best Bird]

nah - luke is town.

[Best Bird]

luke is never town

and you are never scum

[Best Bird]

At best it's not alignment indicative

Imo, at worst it's not alignment indicative lol

Imagine living in a world where you make a claim that gets town mislimmed and then people town read you for it. Remind me to try this next time I am scum.

i mean - this

does

happen and luke is right, at worst it's not alignment indicative.

the role is confirmed - why would scum!drap come out the gate with a "strongly likely guilty" on town!bella? that's a dumb move.

[Best Bird]

But y'all are giving me great ideas for what you're willing to believe for the next time I draw scum so thanks.

make sure you actually have the role to back it up first.

[Best Bird]

Unofficial Vote Count Little Blue-Edition

11 Bellaphant (Enchant, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Best Bird, ProfessorDrapion, Cat Scratch Fever, MalcolmTucker, JohnnyFarrar, Mislim Bait, Off the Hook, T-Bone) *HAMMER*

Not Voting (Malakittens, Cytosine and Guanine, Taly, Bellaphant, Roden, Dancing Puppets, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad, butterchurn)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-05 20:52:15)

[Best Bird]

yeah - unless bella is loved, t-bone hammered.

[Best Bird]

i mean - i'm doing the same thing

[Best Bird]

super-hammered

[Best Bird]

T-bone has no power don't worry

oop

[Best Bird]

Yes, he is!

[Best Bird]

looking forward to PD's latest track

I tracked the one dude who has a role that doesn’t visit.
Guess what? He didn’t visit.

?

Why would you track someone who doesnt visit?

[Best Bird]

BTW Johnny is Doc from my understanding.

…from what understanding?


Wtf do I feel like I missed an entire day phase right now?

[Best Bird]

looking forward to PD's latest track

I tracked the one dude who has a role that doesn’t visit.
Guess what? He didn’t visit.

?

Why would you track someone who doesnt visit?

Because if you visited we could Yeet you because a person who talks to the dead isn’t able to visit.

But...I would show as visiting the dead person I neighborize...

[Best Bird]

I'm sorry, PenguinPower is not in this game. You will need to refer to me by my correct username.

[Best Bird]

I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.

Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4

I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.

interesting choice to go for c&g over BBT in that scenario

[Best Bird]

i'm holding my shot until something more interesting than frog/dunn/bell comes up unless pooky bites it.

[Best Bird]

mmm...maybe. next vc was the math hammer so idk.

i do agree that c&g is probably town.

[Best Bird]

hmmm...rule of three in that bella example

VOTE: enchant

[Best Bird]

hey...same

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

oooh - a double

[Best Bird]

Right, and I didn't because...?

i mean - you did until DP offered an out tbf

[Best Bird]

Right, and I didn't because...?

i mean - you did until DP offered an out tbf

Not true.

I got beaten down by people telling me I was stupid and when DP jumped in and also seemed to agree with my thought process, I decided maybe I wasn't stupid.

Let's do this

VOTE: Bella

Strongman targets Bell and town!Bella targets Bell is just wtf GG

E-2 maybe? Been a while since I checked. Caution if you vote.

Yeah DP I like that.

UNVOTE:

Zzz sleep soon for me

Beaten down in 15 posts...

[Best Bird]

Anyways.

That is not a discussion for toDay.

To kill Enchant!

....fine....

[Best Bird]

about what?

[Best Bird]

I misread your earlier posts as being about best bird, which is why i didnt follow up with you.

same tbh

[Best Bird]

what's up friends

I am a novice two shot cop

T-Bone & Lukewarm are town

I checked with Dragons I am confirmed sane

ceph just roasted you for this - ngl. i laughed.

[Best Bird]

btw do you KNOW WHAT PUBLIC MEANS SJDJJWJSJ

public adjective

pub·​lic | \ ˈpə-blik \
Definition of public (Entry 1 of 2)
1a: exposed to general view
b: WELL-KNOWN, PROMINENT
c: PERCEPTIBLE, MATERIAL
2a: of, relating to, or affecting all the people or the whole area of a nation or state
public law
b: of or relating to a government
c: of, relating to, or being in the service of the community or nation
3a: of or relating to people in general
b: of, by, for, or directed to the public
in the public eye
a campaign to raise public awareness of the issue
4: of or relating to business or community interests as opposed to private affairs
5: devoted to the general or national welfare
6a: accessible to or shared by all members of the community
b: capitalized in shares that can be freely traded on the open market —often used with go
7: supported by public funds and private contributions rather than by income from commercials

public noun
plural publics

1: a place accessible or visible to the public —usually used in the phrase in public
2: the people as a whole
3: a group of people having common interests or characteristics
specifically : the group at which a particular activity or enterprise aims

[Best Bird]

what's up friends

I am a novice two shot cop

T-Bone & Lukewarm are town

I checked with Dragons I am confirmed sane

ceph just roasted you for this - ngl. i laughed.

Wait. You keep your ghost friends?

I kinda assumed they were good for 1 day only

Nope - I said I had two shots. I get to talk to two people forever and ever and ever in purgatory.

[Best Bird]

same, tbh.

[Best Bird]

you better save a shot for me so I can shit post with you forever

i'm holding my shot until something more interesting than frog/dunn/bell comes up

unless pooky bites it.

no worries - bad boys 4 life

[Best Bird]

oh - what was ceph's exact role?

[Best Bird]

oh - what was ceph's exact role?

Hated 1-shot gladiator
Bella is a macho doc

Were you just given Role titles? Nothing else?

[Best Bird]

Enchant is scummier

[Best Bird]

what's up friends

I am a novice two shot cop

T-Bone & Lukewarm are town

I checked with Dragons I am confirmed sane

ceph just roasted you for this - ngl. i laughed.

Wait. You keep your ghost friends?

I kinda assumed they were good for 1 day only

Nope - I said I had two shots. I get to talk to two people forever and ever and ever in purgatory.

why was cephrir one of your choices?

~GE

Only option N1, seemed to have good activity so I thought he would still be active in the dead PT and have a good understanding of the game (since I was v/la for 5 days), and just generally like my fellow skittles (except for T-bone of course).

[Best Bird]

My problem with the choice to ghost-neighbor ceph is that it's clear to me from the gladiation proceedings he was operating to feed his own ego vs. to the town's benefit

He didn't feel confident in his reads and felt the day length was antitown so he polled some town reads on who to gladiate to progress us forward. I don't agree with this comment.

[Best Bird]

yeah out of those first deaths Dunn would have been my pick. I may just be rambling, idk what BB's metric for ghost-neighboring is, just was saying by my own metric Ceph felt like a bad choice.

~GE

I had no idea that frog or dunn were going to be an option when I made my choice - i've been clear on that.

[Best Bird]

i don't see why he had a reason to lie to me in dead chat so.......

[Best Bird]

You should have your vision checked then.

[Best Bird]

No - I'm going to trust the person who actually knows why he did what he did over someone who seems to just want to shit on him.

[Best Bird]

i claimed my flavor in my first post dude

sup

[Best Bird]

stop it luke!

[Best Bird]

wtf? I was responding to your comment on my choice?

are you for real?

[Best Bird]

Are you really trying to tell me what I was doing?

Gtfo. I'm done responding to anything signed by you.

[Best Bird]

Ana Lucia, a literal LAPD officer, in the show.

she's literally the sample vanilla townie dude

no?

[Best Bird]

pooky...

[Best Bird]

Game is scum driven and 2/3 yeets have been on scum.

Ok.

[Best Bird]

I mean - c&g explicitly said why….weird press

[Best Bird]

Best Bird, what's Ceph's read on Johnny?

Scum - but that was pre-bella flip.

[Best Bird]

Yeah except we aren’t limming mala or best bird today. Especially bird since he’s our potential link with Luke.

Luke isn’t pooky or a claimed role that could have info.

[Best Bird]

Love to hear Taly’s reasons for the off the table and town reads group. Off the table especially.

[Best Bird]

Wasn’t going to mention Rad, but I don’t like that post at all.

[Best Bird]

Sorry - mixed up butterchurn and our new friend butterflies

[Best Bird]

Pretty sure Taly should get current before holding on to nonmechanical D1/D2 reads though

[Best Bird]

ISO Luke and the mod for VCs and flips. Pooky claimed innos on Luke and Tbone. I speak to dead people (ceph rn).

I’m sympathetic, but it’s late and that’s what I have.

[Best Bird]

I believe it.

[Best Bird]

VOTE: rad

[Best Bird]

VOTE: rad

Yo BB what's your read on Malcolm?

town enough for now....why?

[Best Bird]

VOTE: rad

Yo BB what's your read on Malcolm?

town enough for now....why?

Because I want the guy who's supposedly talking to Ceph in a PT to give his opinion on my scum read? "town enough for now" as the reasoning is so disappointing.

What's Ceph's read on me and Malcolm?

Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?

[Best Bird]

i'll ask

[Best Bird]

Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?

I'm curious if Ceph has an updated read on Johnny since the latest flips (or at least the Bella flip)

He hasn't been following along seriously enough to have a firm opinion, but still thinks Johnny's scum based on his general posting.

[Best Bird]

so glad we could remove the basically cleared people from your list...impressive.

[Best Bird]

Spoiler:

this is the last one I have

Based on who's still alive

SCUM - ALL
BBT

SCUM - POOKY & LUKE
Drapion (z)

SCUM - POOKY
Johnny

SCUM - BELL
Taly (x)
Best Bird (x)

SCUM - LUKE
Mislim Bait (y)

TOWN - ALL
Malcolm
Roden
Butterchurn
T-Bone
CSF

TOWN - POOKY & LUKE
Butterflies
C&G

TOWN - BELL & LUKE
Mala
Off The Hook
Rad

TOWN - BELL
Drapion (z)

TOWN - POOKY
Taly (x)
RCE
Mislim Bait (y)
Best Bird (x)

This graph is outdated for me.

I would hope it’s outdated for everyone.

[Best Bird]

Lol - you can fuck

all

the way off of you are using that chart for that purpose.

[Best Bird]

Lol - you can fuck

all

the way off of you are using that chart for that purpose.

This is a massive overreaction. If something changed that made you seem townier then it'll come up as we discuss everything. If Luke or Bell's reads changed before they died, I asked for people to update it. Acting like I'm asking for a triple execution based on old reads is ridiculous, I'm just trying to start somewhere because the game state feels directionless and I think the NK choices were important.

Like, who else should be looked at right now? I've been trying to kill BBT for 5000 years and no one wants to commit to it. Rad is probably just town here. I don't want to vote Johnny today. I could be interested in RCE but I don't think anyone else is.

Perhaps read the game then. Stop asking other people to do your work and lazy ass rely on a d1 chart.

[Best Bird]

Jesus - I was vla for almost all of D1 and it seems I’m capable of more understanding than Roden.

[Best Bird]

I've seen a scum role that can talk to dead players actually.

and Best Bird isn't even that townie tbh

Is this a misread then?

[Best Bird]

I want that shit solidified pooky.

[Best Bird]

Rad is just scum though.

[Best Bird]

I’m trying.

[Best Bird]

VOTE: rad but…harder