LOST (Game Over)

[butterflies]

Imma be real this game is getting real hard to follow or be engaged with
I plan to pop our ability tonight and afterward if y’all wanna yeet us that’s fine
So if there’s someone we’d like to verify that’s still living, that might be a good vote today?

~GE

Well if it’s someone already dead, I’d probably do Dunn.

[butterflies]

Even if you discard Math, how can I be scum with Bella? It literally makes 0 sense and you know it.

It makes 0 sense for you to be sr us here and you know it.

Fyi, talking to us like we’re idiots or something isn’t doing anything for me.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Alright, you have been fairly quiet considering someone you're town reading is being wagoned and is the leading wagon.

I'm on vla and exclusively phone posting. I don't hard read you town. Certainly scum!bbt could have jumped off my wagon when you did, but I don't see a good reason for it. Certainly scum!bbt could defend a Bella wait strategy alongside me, but I don't see a good reason to when Bella is just about certain to flip there. These reasons wouldn't be convincing to anyone besides me though so I'm not pushing it (though I did push it some earlier).

If you're scum here I'm probably flipped next so that's cool. If you're town I get to try to figure out what scum is pushing you here.

No because I already showed why you’re clear. Bella scum doc claimed to visit you n1. That makes absolutely no sense if you’re her buddy.

[butterflies]

You still haven't unvoted me

I was seriously reconsidering switching to Mala but you continue to keep making these kinds of posts.

I’m not going to unvote you just because you keep demanding that I do. Give me reasons or stop wasting my time.

[butterflies]

I’m torn between RAD making so much sense and BBT continuing to act scummy. Ugh

[butterflies]

I’m torn between RAD making so much sense and BBT continuing to act scummy. Ugh

Read bbt purely based on his actions this game rather than his non friendly approach. Bbt is just this way as both alignments, especially when he's targeted by anyone.

I was thinking I was wrong on him until he started up with that shitty push on me, then there’s also what CSF posted.

All I have to wonder is what in the actual fuck he’s doing irrespective of alignment.

I really do think Mala could be scum but I’m still not tr BBT, he’s also really scummy.

[butterflies]

I’m torn between RAD making so much sense and BBT continuing to act scummy. Ugh

An example of bbt being friendly is scum!bbt pocketing me in my first newbie game. I'd be more suspicious of that sort of behavior than anything I've seen happen between you two here lol

Alright fine, then.

VOTE: Mala

[butterflies]

Hopefully she does flip scum and I’m on the right side of a scumwagon for once in this game.

[butterflies]

Much less so with Nancy.

agree w/this

[butterflies]

It's a fun thought though.

Please note I'm joking Nancy <3

It’s fine. I think I’d probably rep out in that case.

[butterflies]

Much less so with Nancy.

agree w/this

what? you two have absolutely zero partner equity here. I could never see a world where you two are scum together after your interactions.

Oh sorry, I clearly totally misread both of yours and BBT’s posts.

[butterflies]

How many more votes do we need on Mala? I think I’m long overdue waiting for this day to end.

[butterflies]

Sorry I’m just in a foul mood

And this stupid bull shut if she must be scum because she’s playing differently when I am trying to change my meta because I’m sick of my scum and my town play being day and night so yes maybe I’m trying to make my town Meta similar to my scum meta because I’m just sick of being transparent scum

This post is the main reason for me, not the Frogs’ check.

[butterflies]

wooo - let's try and start another wagon that won't go through with three days left

super helpful

Why can a Johnny wagon not go through? The resistance that wagon has is absurd.

It’s mainly been from Drap because he thinks Johnny is doc and if he’s actually right, then he’s probably the nk.

[butterflies]

Role is nai

Besides, not convinced it's actually her role due to her picks

And if it is, again, role is nai

Why does scum mala claim an obviously suboptimal check? It seems more reasonable as an action from town who's checked out.

This is a town mala iso from a very recent game: viewtopic.php?p=13449888&user_select%5B ... #p13449888

It's not proof she's town, it's that i don't think any of the arguments for a scum mala have been very convincing. And her town range varies more than you might think.

But this again is giving me doubts. This game is frustrating as hell.

[butterflies]

the resistance to ALL of the wagons is absurd, but you are starting from basically scratch (haha) here vs. two viable wagons with a potential third.

I don't particularly like either of the main wagons. What am I to do? Happy to move to Malcolm. I could also put my vote back on BBT i guess.

I don’t understand the case for Malcolm but I think scum is in one of those. On the possibility that Drap is right and Johnny doc, probably not the best elim for today. I wish Taly had given a case on Johnny since they’re probably better at reading him than I am.

[butterflies]

I fucking hate that I’m not confident on any srs this late in the game but I think as long as we don’t lim from my townblock, hopefully we get there.

[butterflies]

Drap bbt Nancy is the sexy scum team non of us saw coming

I have a theory that one of these is correct at least

~GE

Are you seriously fucking kidding me here, Gamma?

[butterflies]

Drap is a scum badass. I read a scum game of his at beginning of this game. He takes charge and I can see him coming up with a scum master plan involving bussing everyone. Given the right team I can see it here.

I also try my hardest to ignore crazy ideas so I'm just letting drap be the masterful town scum hunter here.

Please vote in the top wagons, absolutely not drap lol

Can you link it? I really think he’s locktown here though.

[butterflies]

Gamma with some saucy shit.

It's not me or Drap though.

It’s 1,00,000,000% never me.

*swats Gamma*

[butterflies]

Gamma with some saucy shit.

It's not me or Drap though.

It’s 1,00,000,000% never me.

*swats Gamma*

I never said I thought it was you. CHILL. Get mad at BBT if you wanna be mad at somebody.

~GE

Well the way you phrased that made me seriously wonder. So, I’m assuming you must mean BBT then? Since I really think Drap is obvtown here.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Mala
Everyone should choose one of the top two wagons to vote. It's time for the day to end.
~Cyotsine

I’ve been thinking a lot about this thread and I no longer want to lim BBT. So probably stay with Mala. If that’s wrong, then someone is probably fooling me.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Also why aren’t we voting BBT?

I think BBT is a bad vote.

[butterflies]

Also why aren’t we voting BBT?

I think BBT is a bad vote.

You didn’t think this before.

I changed my mind. I don’t know if Mala’s right but she looks the worst rn. Unless as I said, someone’s fooling me. If someone either has a better case on someone other than Mala, it’s the time to present it.

[butterflies]

Fuck me man.

UNVOTE: bbt

I think I know why he’s saying he won’t be limmed.

I’ll let myself be flipped before him or before he claims

Which means JF is prob scum

VOTE: jf

UNVOTE:

for now. Drap you really need to explain your theories because Mala and BBT don’t look aligned to me.

[butterflies]

BBT wagon is pure.

wtf...it's you and two fucking claimed masons (you sure they aren't both godfathers?)

In case anyone gets any ideas, I hard tr Dwlee who was Butterchurn’s predecessor.

[butterflies]

You're not sure I'm town but are now willing to vote Malcolm, Johnny, and Mala before me? Even though you were town reading Mala?

You're making 0 sense

Yeah, my reads changed... I looked at mala's iso and she wasn't pushing anyone as hard as i remembered. I still think she might be town, but balancing risk vs read- the risk of mislimming or outing a town doc is probably worse than mislimming a town coroner

I've been willing to vote Johnny since like forever and had my doubts about Malcolm too. So idk why that's weird to you

So why did you out BBT’s either soft or more probable more likely attempt to bait the nk?

[butterflies]

Malcolm and Mala can still be wolves but there are deeper wolves that should be caught first.

Johnny and Rad are town, go read 10 fourm mafia large games where a LHF was pushed for execution and then refer back to the votes, pushes etc, on these two.

Yeah RAD!town’s already been established. He was cleared by Bella claiming to visit him on n1.

[butterflies]

I’d vote Csf

Tbh at the beginning of the game I felt csf was different than Cephrir game but the longer it goes on im no longer feeling that

So there’s that

VOTE: csf

link? Is that the multiball game?

Unless there’s some neighbour with a town pr, I’m inclined to believe BBT’s claim.

@CSF you should probably claim either flavour or role (if not both).

[butterflies]

Mostly tongue in cheek BB.

Kind of wondering about OTH theory as well though

I think it’s possible scum could possibly have an informed role because of the way Math went after Galron straight out of the gate.

[butterflies]

I protected Luke N1, BB N2 (think their role was outed and wanted to make sure we got use out of it), then Drap on 3 and 4.

I'm ana Lucia novice jk

I jailkeopt BBT n2 because he was my second scumread after Johnny, who i was hoping would be vigged lol

N3 and n4 i jailkept butterchurn bc i wasn't that confident in my scumreads and used it defensively. I crumbed my n3 target since there was no kill that night and thought maybe a doc would be on drapion, so i can protect elsewhere to not rb him

So n3 was the no kill right? So scum probably either tried to kill Drap or Butterchurn then. I’m guessing scum probably didn’t think Johnny was really doc or else they wouldn’t have killed Luke.

[butterflies]

I just think the whole thing seems off? Did scum really go for Drap knowing there was likely a protective role?

Could Drap be scum who gained ultimate cred by throwing Bella under the bus and then scum, knowing Doc would be almost forced onto Drap, perform a no kill?

Or even just force Doc onto Drap to allow them to kill freely elsewhere? I don't know, just something to think about.

If I’m ever mafia I never perform a no kill.
Just an FYI.

There’s no evidence that happened, probably extremely unlikely.

[butterflies]

I'm ana Lucia novice jk

I jailkeopt BBT n2 because he was my second scumread after Johnny, who i was hoping would be vigged lol

N3 and n4 i jailkept butterchurn bc i wasn't that confident in my scumreads and used it defensively. I crumbed my n3 target since there was no kill that night and thought maybe a doc would be on drapion, so i can protect elsewhere to not rb him

Another protective role eh?
Jailkeeper is also a common both ways role. (Town and Mafia aligned equally)
This can be a true claim regardless of alignment. (Although unsure if you have novice modifier if your mafia)

Roles aren’t ai. Have you ever seen a town role cop or scum macho doc in any game before this one? Assuming Bella was actually telling the truth about that but BBT’s claim seems to suggest that she probably was likely a scum macho doc.

[butterflies]

Mostly tongue in cheek BB.

Kind of wondering about OTH theory as well though

I think it’s possible scum could possibly have an informed role because of the way Math went after Galron straight out of the gate.

You think Math knew I was Tracker?

I have no idea but he straight up went hard after Galron for some reason and weren’t you rb’d before you claimed anything? So I think it’s possible.

[butterflies]

That’s…a thing. FoS on Galron’s replacement

When Galron is quiet it’s usually a scum tell for him and he’s in the bottom half of post count.

I will ISO him later and see if it is all naked or if it has content.

If his ISO has content it’s not a scum lock but if no content Yeet please.

I’d normally vote Galron here but I have a rule of letting people play first.

Okay Galron has content so NAI for that slot

First and third post by Math.

[butterflies]

If y'all insist for the damn spreadsheet... (honest question, can you post a spreadsheet?)

Town:
Corwinoid
Rad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
--
JohnnyFarrar
T-Bone
--

Null

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Taly Toogeloo
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Cephrir
Roden
Dwlee99
Klick
Dunnstral
Lukewarm
PenguinPower
Bellaphant

--
BlueBloodedToffee
The toad

Frogsterking
Enchant
Bell
--
Scum
Malakittens

Annoying me on a personal level for pushing me do this
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey

Null on CSF so far, honestly[/b]

Weird read on CSF.

[butterflies]

Fuck me man.

UNVOTE: bbt

I think I know why he’s saying he won’t be limmed.

I’ll let myself be flipped before him or before he claims

Which means JF is prob scum

VOTE: jf

Oh CSF saw it too and
Why would she LEGIT
REVEAL IT LIKE THAT

Sigh

I kind of liked Mala jumping off of BBT. I’m not at all confident anymore this flips scum.

[butterflies]

The episode for the novice modifier is the other 48 days

And also mala is claiming scum have both a RB (math) and a macho doc (Bella). Jk is just both combined so it'd be a bit redundant for scum to have all 3

Math fits as rb since Drap was blocked n1 and BBT’s role fits with Bella being scum macho doc.

What’s the third? There’s only 2 flipped scum?

[butterflies]

Can we please not rush this? I want to review the whole gladiate thing again.

I think Mala could be town here.

[butterflies]

Is anyone down to vote MisLim?

No, I think they’re town. The did a 180 on me based off of what I posted in our pt.


RAD, OtH looks really good for as far as I got with the gladiate.

[butterflies]

The episode for the novice modifier is the other 48 days

And also mala is claiming scum have both a RB (math) and a macho doc (Bella). Jk is just both combined so it'd be a bit redundant for scum to have all 3

Math fits as rb since Drap was blocked n1 and BBT’s role fits with Bella being scum macho doc.

What’s the third? There’s only 2 flipped scum?

Jailkeeper... I claimed Jailkeeper. I'm saying it's somewhat unlikely to give scum both a RB/doc and a Jailkeeper

Oh I see. Yeah, good point, maybe I’m wrong on Mala then? Yeah mech wise your role doesn’t make sense along with Math rb.

[butterflies]

What’s the case on Malcolm again?

[butterflies]

Fuck it, Idk anymore. Malcolm’s tr BBT and Johnny and I don’t think Johnny’s scum.

VOTE: Mala

[butterflies]

Hey @Malcolm, are you still scumreading RAD?

[butterflies]

Over the book

Gamma and Marci

I really don’t think they’re ever scum here especially on taking another look at the gladiate. Since Taly slot is locktown, I don’t see why Gamma was mindmelding with me on the no lim and only vote Ceph if that’s impossible. Plus, I’ve already explained Marci’s distinctive alignment-bases posting style.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

I don't see how that post comes across as talking to someone as if they're an idiot.

I know you're a scouser but you know how to talk to people, and not at them.

-Butterflea

[butterflies]

VOTE: mt

Anyways do me a favor after I’m dead pls look at OTH: my townread decreased on that slot over the last few days (not RT days)

I think rad is town, bbt is town, PD is town, I’m warming up to BUtterflies town, CG is town, the masons are town.
Tbone is prob town along with pooky

My POE is within the following:
{OTH, BB, mislim bait, rce, JF, CSF, MT}

If Ceph had gladiated Math d1, Frogs would very likely never have been either vigged or limmed because flipped scum spewed him town probably more than anyone still left in this game and his role could have really come in handy now.

[butterflies]

You still haven't unvoted me

I was seriously reconsidering switching to Mala but you continue to keep making these kinds of posts.

I’m not going to unvote you just because you keep demanding that I do. Give me reasons or stop wasting my time.

Consider it some more until you come to the correct decision then

The sheer level of smarmy git in this single sentence...

I ain't even going to consider you at this point, ngl.

-Butterflea

[butterflies]

Is anyone down to vote MisLim?

Think there were some suggestions Klick was spewed town from some interactions early on but we've probably had some scum theatre going on at various points in the game. Not been entirely keen on MisLim's play at times and feels like they have been suspiciously quiet as of late, if we've been pursuing the wrong targets would make sense for them to be much quieter I suppose and let events take their course.

Who do you think Klick had scum theatre with? Bella or Math?

[butterflies]

Don't like how the Mala wagon keeps stalling whenever it gets near to going through.

Why do you think it keeps stalling and are you implying it’s somehow scum motivated?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

VOTE: Johnny

Prefer this to BBT

the hyuck is this all about CSF?

-BFlea

[butterflies]

Yeah I think so, I’m just trying to pick Malcolm’s brain since he isn’t in my townblock and didn’t exactly love either of those posts.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Don't like how the Mala wagon keeps stalling whenever it gets near to going through.

So got anything more to add this this? You're damn good when you get rolling and I'm not seeing you rolling.

-Butterflea

[butterflies]

[butterflies]

VOTE: mt

Anyways do me a favor after I’m dead pls look at OTH: my townread decreased on that slot over the last few days (not RT days)

I think rad is town, bbt is town, PD is town, I’m warming up to BUtterflies town, CG is town, the masons are town.
Tbone is prob town along with pooky

My POE is within the following:
{OTH, BB, mislim bait, rce, JF, CSF, MT}

It would help you gave reasons?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

[butterflies]

I think your reasoning on OtH is flawed because Pooky made an excellent point about roles not flipping. Also roles were randomized but I think if there’s any kind of role in a game where only alignment flips that has a > than rand chance of being scum solely by mech it’s that one.

Also. I’ve seen how scum!Gamma wks and he doesn’t do it like he did in the gladiate. Scum!Gamma would have jumped on Ceph and demonized him as scum, not hardpushed for a no elim. That slot is never scum here.

[butterflies]

[quote="In post 10925

Ana Lucia, a literal LAPD officer, in the show.

@CSF isn’t that your flavour?

[butterflies]

[quote="In post 10925

Ana Lucia, a literal LAPD officer, in the show.

@CSF isn’t that your flavour?

[butterflies]

Ana Lucia, a literal LAPD officer, in the show.

she's literally the sample vanilla townie dude

????

Someone please check this.

[butterflies]

[Ilana]Ilana



You are a vanilla townie.

You win with the town, when all mafia are eliminated.

Lol nm. Pooky got that wrong.

[butterflies]

bruh like how is it even an issue that the game has multiple coroners on town side

you know most games

we dont need coroners

cuz roles get flipped and shit

@Mala, this is why that theory is flawed.

[butterflies]

Idk about OTH tbh.

I have a very strong tr on OtH. I also don’t see why they kill Luke either, he was tr them.

[butterflies]

I think DNA is town here, also Pooky and MB. I would be extremely surprised if both Mala and Malcolm are both town. Based off of Mala continuing to make reads even post-hammer instead antispew, makes me not very confident on Mala red flip. Malcolm’s beetle juice was interesting irrespective of what she flips.

[butterflies]

Ok Butterflies is clear.

If they were wolf they would have attacked cause they wouldn’t think I’d track them.

They visited no one.

I’m gonna lock town them now, no way they are wolf here.

Lol, so why did you waste a track on us then? Anyway, Pooky’s clear I think now for a lot of reasons.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

It sucks I’m still not finding the killer.

Maybe if you didn’t track town, just a thought?

[butterflies]

im shocked that mala was town just like i said she was

Yeah, I wish I had listened to you. I had my doubts but I was afraid tp be wrong again. :/

[butterflies]

Ok Butterflies is clear.

If they were wolf they would have attacked cause they wouldn’t think I’d track them.

They visited no one.

I’m gonna lock town them now, no way they are wolf here.

Lol, so why did you waste a track on us then? Anyway, Pooky’s clear I think now for a lot of reasons.

~Nancyfly

What are those reasons?

He claimed an inno on both Luke and T-Bone, remember? And locktowned Mala.

[butterflies]

Why this entire time was I only focused on catching mafia killing when tracker has the other use of finding visit claims.

Like you had me as one of your top town and you waste your track on us? Like, just why?

[butterflies]

I mean - I love pooky but that’s not 100% clearing. Just remember that for later game.

i'm so clear

Spoiler:

[butterflies]

Why this entire time was I only focused on catching mafia killing when tracker has the other use of finding visit claims.

Like you had me as one of your top town and you waste your track on us? Like, just why?

Paranoia of you pocketing me.

Or maybe I just have good townreads like you know Bell and Taly.

[butterflies]

I believe BBT’s claim and unless Gamma confirms otherwise, I think all town neighbours are likely not prs. I think T-Bone fakeclaimed to protect real doc and BBT claimed Jack and no one CC’d that.

[butterflies]

I mean - I love pooky but that’s not 100% clearing. Just remember that for later game.

i'm so clear

No your not.
TMI is something wolves have.
All the town you named town died pretty fast as there is still 16 players alive.

Why does Pooky fake Cop checks on Luke, who he was already poised to hard push in the late game if he were still alive, and T-Bone, who was kinda scummy and not particularly influential at the time? He'd just be locking his team into being forced to kill conftowns instead of who they'd prefer to kill in the moment. PR hunting being put on hold for two nights also hurts pretty bad.

“PR Hunting”
I mean we don’t really know what Luke was but T-Bone was a doctor so who says Pooky isn’t a mafia Rolecop that already knew their roles but wanted to use them as a claim before killing them?

Claimed. How do you know he didn’t do that to protect the real doc?

[butterflies]

Why this entire time was I only focused on catching mafia killing when tracker has the other use of finding visit claims.

Like you had me as one of your top town and you waste your track on us? Like, just why?

Paranoia of you pocketing me.

Or maybe I just have good townreads like you know Bell and Taly.

Didn’t you call Bella town before my red check though? lol.

I’m better at finding town.

[butterflies]

ngl i didnt even know tbone claimed doctor

He actually just claimed protective but since he’s literally the only town neighbour to claim a pr, I think it was probably fake to protect the doc. There’s been no actual evidence of any town neighbours flipping prs, right?

[butterflies]

I mean we don’t really know what Luke was but T-Bone was a doctor so who says Pooky isn’t a mafia Rolecop that already knew their roles but wanted to use them as a claim before killing them?

lmfaoooo

[butterflies]

Why not Track the Doc

You know that’s honestly I good point.


I was more tying to find the mafia doing the killing rather then confirming someone’s claim visit.

Damn I’m dumb.

+1

That would have made a helluva lot more sense.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Why? I think Bell spewed him town.

[butterflies]

I’m trusting my town partner who is making a compelling case.

Also, Rad would have been a good N1 target for a fake/maf doc given how he was being read at the end of D1.

Mala confirmed Bella was scum macho doc. You mean Ceph?

[butterflies]

Okay but I still don’t see how that makes RAD scum? I also think that Dunn clearly softed vig and we know Math is was scum rb, so you think that Bella would just risk letting Math die, when he was strongly sr?

[butterflies]

Dunn also pretty obv wanted frog iirc

But if I’m scumdoc Bella, I think I protect Math but let’s say she actually did visit RAD, how does that make him scum?

[butterflies]

you should convince luke of that!

I have an idea, Drap can track Luke. On wait he’s dead. Actually that’s probably the best possible reason.

[butterflies]

Ok Butterflies is clear.

If they were wolf they would have attacked cause they wouldn’t think I’d track them.

They visited no one.

This is actually like a pretty poor track target, but okay.

Both of Pooky’s checks also died back to back.

So don’t go clearing Pooky, I still remember Frog’s legacy.

I think it makes sense to kill the clears first as killing the clearer makes the clears 100% town (as opposed to 98% town). This is with the caveat that the clearer may have more actions, but I would trust that scum here would make a good judgement as to that likelihood.
~Cytosine

Someone with good sense. Or Drap could check Yeet/Taly and confirm that slot is of course locktown or maybe Bell, Dunn, Frogs, Ceph, Mala would make great targets because like why should we trust in STD?

[butterflies]

ok im just gonna call the scum team rad + johnny + fuck i cant remember #3

Fuck I can’t remember

is definitely scum. They are so scummy, they bamboozled STD from showing up anywhere in the playerlist.

[butterflies]

Tbf I ignore a lot of what drap says.

+1

Very wise decision.

[butterflies]

Hey y'all, TBone didn't have any prophetic reads in the night. I'm in hospital with my boy rn so I'll be skimming mostly. @ me if you need something specific

Sorry to hear. Hope nothing serious.

Did T-Bone mention his flavor in your PT?

+1

[butterflies]

I also read Drap's scum game (which is easier to find, and he's a scum leader in his mafia PT) and like 3 Nancy's games that she linked to during that whole me vs DP bs.

I’ve never played with scum!Drap unless it’s on another account?

[butterflies]

Yeah I guess there's no reason to hide it anymore. Bonesy was Charlie, and his role was doctor-ish, but it had some modifiers. He was a little cryptic about it and faked part of the claim at one point in order to catch me if I was scum, but evidently I passed his test and he told me (I think) the truth.

So, he’s really actually the doc?

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

[butterflies]

I’m trusting my town partner who is making a compelling case.

Also, Rad would have been a good N1 target for a fake/maf doc given how he was being read at the end of D1.

Mala confirmed Bella was scum macho doc. You mean Ceph?

No, I’m talking to Luke. What I said was scum!Rad would have been a good visit for Scumdoc!bella given how day 1 ended. Investigative would have seen her visit Rad which wasn’t a kill and who was highly townread.

Meaning - it’s not clearing at all.

I feel like Nancy should be able to process this from personal exp but we’ll see what happens

~GE

Can you please elaborate on this? I’m really not following?

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

I think you’re completely missing the point here. I’m not salty about being tracked but about being lied too.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

I didn’t lie about my TR on you.
I tracked you from paranoia cause I had some doubt on my read.

So I really don’t understand then? Why wouldn’t you have tracked a player who you actually scumread?

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

Yeah basically I wanted to make sure Butterflies if wolf was gonna do the kill.
So I did all that to ensure it.

So considering Butterflies didn’t visit anyone, they are lock town.

I was locktown from my hard defending Taly in gladiate. You seriously think I’d have a total fucking meltdown over that if I were scum here?

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

Yeah basically I wanted to make sure Butterflies if wolf was gonna do the kill.
So I did all that to ensure it.

So considering Butterflies didn’t visit anyone, they are lock town.

Makes sense to me. Who better to send to a kill than scum!Nancy who is widely town read and hard town read by the tracker?

But other people think it's a terrible move :shrug:

I’m losing my townread on you RAD.

[butterflies]

OtH, I still don’t understand the TR, is it just based on meta?
@butterflies

Yeah, if that slot was scum, I seriously doubt they could have gone this long without pinging me in the slightest.

[butterflies]

OtH, I still don’t understand the TR, is it just based on meta?
@butterflies

???
This looks like you’re asking us a question but the @ throws me off

~GE

He’s asking me about my tr of you.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

I think you’re completely missing the point here. I’m not salty about being tracked but about being lied too.

No Nancy I get you. I don't think you should be insulted by town!Drap here cause we're playing a game of deception and openly reading you as town and then making this kind of mechanics move just kinda makes sense to either address paranoia or solidify the read. Do you think drap is scum because of it?

Nah but I’m still kind’ve annoyed by it but he had slots that he clearly was more suspicious of, so why waste it on me? Like I tried to detail Mala wagon even. Right, so I’m now likely looking at a one way ticket to the dead thread, probably.

[butterflies]

I’m trusting my town partner who is making a compelling case.

Also, Rad would have been a good N1 target for a fake/maf doc given how he was being read at the end of D1.

Mala confirmed Bella was scum macho doc. You mean Ceph?

No, I’m talking to Luke. What I said was scum!Rad would have been a good visit for Scumdoc!bella given how day 1 ended. Investigative would have seen her visit Rad which wasn’t a kill and who was highly townread.

Meaning - it’s not clearing at all.

I feel like Nancy should be able to process this from personal exp but we’ll see what happens

~GE

Can you please elaborate on this? I’m really not following?

Remember the logic GiF gave for why a scum bg existed in FFXIV? That’s what I’m referring to.

~GE

I understand the concept of a scum doc, so still not following?

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

Yeah basically I wanted to make sure Butterflies if wolf was gonna do the kill.
So I did all that to ensure it.

So considering Butterflies didn’t visit anyone, they are lock town.

Makes sense to me. Who better to send to a kill than scum!Nancy who is widely town read and hard town read by the tracker?

But other people think it's a terrible move :shrug:

I’m losing my townread on you RAD.

Vote me nancy. It's cool. I think his move was fine.

I still have a town read on you and this helps.

I’m practically fucking IC now, lol

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

I think you’re completely missing the point here. I’m not salty about being tracked but about being lied too.

No Nancy I get you. I don't think you should be insulted by town!Drap here cause we're playing a game of deception and openly reading you as town and then making this kind of mechanics move just kinda makes sense to either address paranoia or solidify the read. Do you think drap is scum because of it?

Nah but I’m still kind’ve annoyed by it but he had slots that he clearly was more suspicious of, so why waste it on me? Like I tried to detail Mala wagon even. Right, so I’m now likely looking at a one way ticket to the dead thread, probably.

Why waste a cop target on Luke? Were you ok with that?

????

How was that a waste? Weren’t you just saying what a brilliant scumgame Luke has? *extremely confuzzled*

[butterflies]

What BB is saying is Bella being seen as not visiting a kill would get her TR. That’s the same logic to why GiF put in a scum bg into his game. So I think, us being kinda exposed to that rationale by being that role in that game, we should understand how that logic works.

~GE

Well that part I actually get. But I could see that how if RAD was scum, she could have been potentially trying to clear him with that but given that she was specifically scum macho doc, is what’s the sticking point for me.

However @RAD why are you going on and on about how much you still hard tr me after I’m practically cleared?

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

I think you’re completely missing the point here. I’m not salty about being tracked but about being lied too.

No Nancy I get you. I don't think you should be insulted by town!Drap here cause we're playing a game of deception and openly reading you as town and then making this kind of mechanics move just kinda makes sense to either address paranoia or solidify the read. Do you think drap is scum because of it?

Nah but I’m still kind’ve annoyed by it but he had slots that he clearly was more suspicious of, so why waste it on me? Like I tried to detail Mala wagon even. Right, so I’m now likely looking at a one way ticket to the dead thread, probably.

Why waste a cop target on Luke? Were you ok with that?

????

How was that a waste? Weren’t you just saying what a brilliant scumgame Luke has? *extremely confuzzled*

lol yeah that's my point! Targeting Luke as cop makes sense because you want to make sure he's actually town. He was the HIGHEST town read slot at the time, so the point was to make sure he wasn't some scum dominating.

You're also the highest town read slot here. scum!Nancy probably makes the kill due to being so highly town read. So targeting you makes sense from a paranoid perspective.

Even Drap has admitted it was a bad track, so why are you continuing to defend it?

[butterflies]

Like @RAD, I really don’t understand where you’re even going with this? You’re defending Drap’s suboptimal track on me, something he has already agreed with ajd you’re going on and on about how much you still hard tr me - even after Drap practically cleared me, so wtf’s the point of all of this?

[butterflies]

However @RAD why are you going on and on about how much you still hard tr me after I’m practically cleared?

wtf?

/facepalm

Even Drap has admitted it was a bad track, so why are you continuing to defend it?

I absolutely do not give a shit anymore.

I think his track makes sense.

Maybe it wasn't the best track possible.

I still think it was fine. And I've explained why.

Just about done with this game.

My point being who even cares about that? I’m not sr Drap.

[butterflies]

You're not making sense Nancy. We're done. Please vote me.

I’m asking why you’re doing what you’re doing because I really don’t see a point to any of it.

[butterflies]

Like @RAD I don’t understand why you’re even mad at me? I’m trying to understand why you keep defending a move that even the player who did it regrets. If you really don’t want to talk to me about that then fine, I’m just trying to makes sense of why you’re doing what you’re doing and you’re response to that is “vote me”?

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

It started here Nancy, and then we went on, and on, and on about the same shit, and you come out of it with me suspiciously hard TRing you or something. I'm done.

I will not try to point you in what I feel is the right direction anymore.

Well yeah because I don’t understand why you would be telling me that after the track?

[butterflies]

@RAD I totally do not understand why you’re even angry with me. Why are you upset at my asking you extremely reasons questions? I’m not being “aggro” which you accused me of earlier in the game, neither am I being even remotely disrespectful. So your reaction to me has me totally bewildered.

If there’s anyone I might have possibly been rude to, it’s Drap and I apologize to you Drap for being so salty. I’m over it now.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

I didn’t lie about my TR on you.
I tracked you from paranoia cause I had some doubt on my read.

So I really don’t understand then? Why wouldn’t you have tracked a player who you actually scumread?

If your a wolf, you always attack.

That really doesn’t answer my question. My point, according to you, was that you had much better options, so it’s a mystery to me that you wasted it on me.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

It started here Nancy, and then we went on, and on, and on about the same shit, and you come out of it with me suspiciously hard TRing you or something. I'm done.

I will not try to point you in what I feel is the right direction anymore.

Well yeah because I don’t understand why you would be telling me that after the track?

I was trying to calm the idea that Drap straight lied to your face in what I consider a likely TvT where this "lie" makes sense from a mechanics pov.

I will not do that in the future.

I guess you misunderstood me then, I wasn’t calling him scum.

[butterflies]

Like @RAD, I really don’t understand where you’re even going with this? You’re defending Drap’s suboptimal track on me, something he has already agreed with ajd you’re going on and on about how much you still hard tr me - even after Drap practically cleared me, so wtf’s the point of all of this?

He’s not defending shit he’s just stating the obvious that for some reason people are oblivious on seeing.

Not Seeing*

I think he misunderstood what I was saying. I was salty not trying to throw shade on you.

[butterflies]

Like I think Rad is town more then ever, he actually stated a fact of exactly what I was doing last day and he is addressing it correctly and you are getting butthurt over it for some reason.
He’s not defendining it (saying it is, is called butthurt.)
It’s just stating what is there that SO MANY PEOPLE are OBLIVIOUS on seeing.

Least your not as bad as Pooky.

Please don’t make me want to retract my apology to you. I have every right to be upset but probably not to maybe make as big a deal as I did but if you’re going to get mean now, then I might regret that apology. :/

[butterflies]

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

I didn’t lie about my TR on you.
I tracked you from paranoia cause I had some doubt on my read.

So I really don’t understand then? Why wouldn’t you have tracked a player who you actually scumread?

If your a wolf, you always attack.

That really doesn’t answer my question. My point, according to you, was that you had much better options, so it’s a mystery to me that you wasted it on me.

It shouldn’t be a mystery, it’s common sense.

If your a wolf and I don’t track you I never find the killing wolf.

FUCKING
DUH
DO DO
DUH

No it isn’t “common sense”, not when you had far better options and objectively way more suspicious slots.

[butterflies]

However @RAD why are you going on and on about how much you still hard tr me after I’m practically cleared?

wtf?

/facepalm

Even Drap has admitted it was a bad track, so why are you continuing to defend it?

I absolutely do not give a shit anymore.

I think his track makes sense.

Maybe it wasn't the best track possible.

I still think it was fine. And I've explained why.

Just about done with this game.

My point being who even cares about that? I’m not sr Drap.

Bro the more I see and read these posts the more I think your Ninja.

Now I understand why BB doesn’t want to listen to you.

[butterflies]

Like @RAD, I really don’t understand where you’re even going with this? You’re defending Drap’s suboptimal track on me, something he has already agreed with ajd you’re going on and on about how much you still hard tr me - even after Drap practically cleared me, so wtf’s the point of all of this?

He’s not defending shit he’s just stating the obvious that for some reason people are oblivious on seeing.

Not Seeing*

I think he misunderstood what I was saying. I was salty not trying to throw shade on you.

It’s still a justified track, stop denying it.

Do you want me to lie to you, like you did to me?

[butterflies]

I was trying to stop TvT by giving an explanation for why I thought Drap's move made sense from a paranoid town perspective.

Why would you TvT on purpose Nancy? Like, town can and will make bad decisions, and other town shouldn't fucking push them for it. If you think Drap's scum because of it, fine, but if you think it's town, back the fuck off?

I pushed Mala for bad decisions because they made more sense as a scum!Mala than town!Mala. If I believed MKala was town making those coroner decisions I absolutely would not have pushed her.

I’m not pushing Drap.

[butterflies]

No it isn’t “common sense”, not when you had far better options and objectively way more suspicious slots.

Like this i don't get. Is Drap scum for the decision? If so, push him, vote him, etc. Is he bad town for it? If so, why the hell are you throwing shade on him?

Is there some reason you’re deliberately misconstruing my posts? I hard tr Drap. if I haven’t made that clear likea gazillion fucking times already.

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

I will just keep requoting this post because I’m clearly not being listened to or we can just drop it?

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

I will just keep requoting this post because I’m clearly not being listened to or we can just drop it?

@RAD, do you even understand what “shade” even is or are you calling me a liar rn?

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

That's anti-town of you. Do you not get that?

That's how scum wants to play. Pressuring town by lowering confidence.

Get it? Stop being anti-town if you're town.

How is it anti-town? I would love to find out who killed T-Bone and because he wasted that track we still don’t know.

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

I will just keep requoting this post because I’m clearly not being listened to or we can just drop it?

@RAD, do you even understand what “shade” even is or are you calling me a liar rn?

You did shade him. I know what it means. Thanks!

You obviously do not, you’re not welcome!

[butterflies]

If you want to keep fighting with md RAD, I can go all night?

[butterflies]

I i initially gave you the benefit of the doubt because I understood that I failed to make myself clear. Now that I have. I find your response to me quite insulting because I have made it extremely clear what my point wqs, and you’re intentionally twisting it when I’ve made my point beyond abundantly clear.

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

That's anti-town of you. Do you not get that?

That's how scum wants to play. Pressuring town by lowering confidence.

Get it? Stop being anti-town if you're town.

How is it anti-town? I would love to find out who killed T-Bone and because he wasted that track we still don’t know.

yeah it's drap's responsibility to perfectly track scum

You're not guaranteed town Nancy. You're just not. And if you are, I certainly am too. So fuck that thought. This was an appropriate paranoid track.

You want to be difficult obviously, so there’s really not much point in continuing to engage you with this. Fyi, you were never tracked, I was, so your point is what even?

[butterflies]

I probably should have kept my feelings to myself. I was pissed that someone claiming to obvtown read me wasted a track on me. Had he not ever said that, I probably wouldn’t have been annoyed by that, so that’s exactly what I meant by that, no intention to shade at all, whatsoever.

[butterflies]

Whatever Nancy. I think you're probably town. If you're not it'll be a lesson learned. You can give me the benefit of the doubt or just say fuck it and vote me. I'm not walking on eggshells anymore. You shouldn't attack people you think are town for their decisions. That's not ok, unless you're scum making a move, but I don't think you are. This was probably a huge and unfortunate waste of time. I'm not being difficult, you are. I'm just vocalizing my opinion and you decided to attack it. Whatever, all good.

I’m not attacking him and I have a right to my opinion. I did and STILL do think that it was a suboptimal and wasted track and you talking down to me like you are here, isn’t changing my mind on this in the slightest.

[butterflies]

I’m not attacking you either because I realize that I initially failed to make myself clear but once I did and you called my valid opinion”shade”, I think I have a perfect right not to be happy about that, don’t I?

[butterflies]

Yeah it might be suboptimal, but you're not confirmed town, and a scum!Nancy playing her best scum game is a decent track. That's the paranoia track perspective here.

That was never even my point. Are you even reading my posts?

[butterflies]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Rad

Rad doesn’t make much sense as a wolf with how Math and Bella’s treatment went on both sides and how he handled Cephrir.

I don’t but you tracked me AND lied straight to my face about tr me.

Like I was wondering why Drap was loudly announcing everyone he was considering to track. So to track you was actually a reasonable move since he loudly read you town but may have secretly be concerned.

Maybe not the BEST track but I think it makes sense with that POV.

Yeah basically I wanted to make sure Butterflies if wolf was gonna do the kill.
So I did all that to ensure it.

So considering Butterflies didn’t visit anyone, they are lock town.

I was locktown from my hard defending Taly in gladiate. You seriously think I’d have a total fucking meltdown over that if I were scum here?[/quote]

Just requoting this. I don’t ever have a fucking meltdown over the possibility of Taly being gladiated as scum.

[butterflies]

Nah I felt like you were shading drap. If you scum read him, fine, make a case, but you town read him so shading him isn't ok if you're town. It accomplishes nothing unless you're scum.

Nancy we are incapable of communication for some reason. Let's move on. I'm going to sleep. If others want to vote one of us based on this shit then ok. Feel free to make another counter post to this one of you want the last word and I will give it to you and not respond.

One more time, okay: I did not fucking shade him, I said the track was wasted and suboptimal and I STILL stand by that.

[butterflies]

You have an absolute right to be wrong here RAD but I will not tolerate my very valid and reasonable opinion being mischaracterized as shade when it clearly was never my intention. I was unclear initially but after I explained it, it is you who were throwing shade at me for expressing a perfectly reasonable opinion and while I can apologize for possibly being rude, I won’t apologize for having an opinion on that and I won’t be bullied by anyone into changing that opinion.

[butterflies]

Bro the more I see and read these posts the more I think your Ninja.

[butterflies]

No it isn’t “common sense”, not when you had far better options and objectively way more suspicious slots.

Like this i don't get. Is Drap scum for the decision? If so, push him, vote him, etc. Is he bad town for it? If so, why the hell are you throwing shade on him?

I mean this isn’t the issue.

The issue is not understanding the situation of why I tracked them when it was made clear by not just me but also you.

I know it isn’t the most optimal but it was justifiable and I find it odd people aren’t getting that.

I think RAD could possibly be pocketing you with this. He might disagree and dislike my opinion on that but while I think you genuinely misunderstood me, RAD continuing to call my opinion “shade” even after I clarified my read on you doesn’t really sit well with me. So my read on you is unchanged but I’m not liking RAD’s recent posts wrongly accusing me of that.

I really need to think more about this.

[butterflies]

Shading means one thing and one thing only: making something appear worse then it seems to be.

You’re missing the point. He continued to accuse me of that even after I clarified exactly what I meant. Had he dropped it after I explained it, it would have been fine.

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

That's anti-town of you. Do you not get that?

That's how scum wants to play. Pressuring town by lowering confidence.

Get it? Stop being anti-town if you're town.

How is it anti-town? I would love to find out who killed T-Bone and because he wasted that track we still don’t know.

Isn’t this the opposite of what you said?
Or do you not agree with what BB said in regards to whom I should have tracked?


BTW just tracking your wolf reads all the time is actually -EV’s because it’s predictable.
Tracking a Null of someone based on their claim (even if a wolf read) is way better.

What is the opposite of what I said? I think a lot of people would have been much better tracks than me. Did you read my post wrt the Taly gladiate?

[butterflies]

I i initially gave you the benefit of the doubt because I understood that I failed to make myself clear. Now that I have. I find your response to me quite insulting because I have made it extremely clear what my point wqs, and you’re intentionally twisting it when I’ve made my point beyond abundantly clear.

I mean some of what he has said is eh. But most of what he said is correct. Like the shading and what I was doing last day and my track being justifiable is all accurate.

That’s not shading. Saying that I considered your track on me a waste and/or suboptimal may be possibly upsetting to you? but in what world is that shade?

The only part I think I i initially failed to be clear on is that I felt genuinely lied to when you told me that you tr me but you already clarified to me that you hadn’t, so yeah, initially I was very upset about that.

[butterflies]

Shading means one thing and one thing only: making something appear worse then it seems to be.

You’re missing the point. He continued to accuse me of that even after I clarified exactly what I meant. Had he dropped it after I explained it, it would have been fine.

It was still shade.
Even if it wasn’t intentional

Saying I disagreed with your track isn’t shade, it’s my honest opinion. I didn’t initially clarify what I meant by saying you lied to me, so that part I can actually see but then I did very clearly clarify that and RAD continued to wrongly accuse me of that.

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

That's anti-town of you. Do you not get that?

That's how scum wants to play. Pressuring town by lowering confidence.

Get it? Stop being anti-town if you're town.

How is it anti-town? I would love to find out who killed T-Bone and because he wasted that track we still don’t know.

Isn’t this the opposite of what you said?
Or do you not agree with what BB said in regards to whom I should have tracked?


BTW just tracking your wolf reads all the time is actually -EV’s because it’s predictable.
Tracking a Null of someone based on their claim (even if a wolf read) is way better.

What is the opposite of what I said? I think a lot of people would have been much better tracks than me. Did you read my post wrt the Taly gladiate?

Didn’t you agree with BB that claim base tracks are better like whom BBT visited.

Well then you’d probably be able to clear him for that no? My point was that you were sussing on other slots, which was what my point was about.

[butterflies]

Can we just vote BBT, probably Red.

He hardclaimed Jack and roles and flavour are connected. No one CC’d his flavour claim. No town neighbours have been flipped and why wouldn’t you even wait for him to claim his NAs?

[butterflies]

cuz like it's not an insult to insult me for "missing" on frog if i'm scum

cuz if i'm scum I didn't miss on frog

its like you can't keep your shit straight when you come with the shade

you want to set me up as a mislim with your fake paranoia

but you forget to maintain the paranoia when i piss you off with my halfassed barely trying play so you insult my accuracy

except insulting accuracy doesnt even make sense if you're paranoid of me cuz it's not an INSULT to someone's scumhunting ability if they miss and you think they're SCUM

cuz you see

the goal of scum

is to kill townies lolol

But Drap caught Bella, do you think that was somehow coordinated?

[butterflies]

cuz Drapion is mafia

So your theory is that he claimed to track me because?

Wow, my head is spinning rn

[butterflies]

VOTE: RAD

His continuing to accuse me of shading when I clearly am not isn’t sitting well with me but I don’t like Drap trying to run up BBT when he hasn’t even gotten a chance to claim.

But if you’re right, it could explain alot with his hard defenses and jumping on me here and calling me ninja.

[butterflies]

cuz Drapion is mafia

So your theory is that he claimed to track me because?

Wow, my head is spinning rn

cuz he probly doesnt want to get caught in a lie tracking someone with a NA?

i dont really know who cares

Yeah, good point, I’m a town neighbour so of course I didn’t go anywhere.

[butterflies]

Can we just vote BBT, probably Red.

He hardclaimed Jack and roles and flavour are connected. No one CC’d his flavour claim. No town neighbours have been flipped and why wouldn’t you even wait for him to claim his NAs?

But he wanting to lim BBT likely the town doc who hasn’t even had a chance to claim anything yet is seriously awful.

[butterflies]

Nancy when did you start reading bbt town? You were relentless yesterday against him?

I’m not voting BBT, he hardclaimed Jack and no one CC’d it.

[butterflies]

I love how I’m “propping up” BBT because I believe his hard macho doc/Jack claim. RAD you had me really deepin your pocket and you just keep digging a hole for yourself even deeper and yeah, I’m now maybe doubting Drap to for suggesting we lim him when he hasn’t even had a chance to claim anything.

[butterflies]

Drap could still be town but I seriously doubt you are.

[butterflies]

Like she's pushing a drap questionable scum narrative based on bbt being town doc when role and flavor doesn't equate to alignment and she pushed scum bbt hard yesterday.

So you’re seriously going to argue that there’s two macho scumdocs in this game?

[butterflies]

what even is the point of your questioning rad

do you think bflies is scum?

do you think BBT is scum?

are you just posting to post lol

RAD will drive a miselim on me to save himself. Apparently I’m confiscum for refusing to vote hardclaimed town macho doc/Jack who hasn’t even been given a chance to claim anything yet. Wow, how unbelievably scummmy.

Next thing RAD is going to try to convince everyone that 2 + 2 really does equal 5. Can’t wait.

[butterflies]

That’s right, I believe his claim, both role and flavour. Have fun explaining your shit vote on me for that.

[butterflies]

He claimed yesterday and you didn't care? What changed?

That’s a lie. Once I realized it, I said he was a bad lim. It’s right in my iso. Want to lie about me some more RAD?

[butterflies]

Also why aren’t we voting BBT?

I think BBT is a bad vote.

There. Fucking get rekt!

[butterflies]

I'm not even convinced Jack is all that good in the show

Jack and Juliet are both docs on the show, I think and Mala confirmed Bella was scum macho doc and no I don’t believe there are two scum macho docs in this setup,

[butterflies]

I think Pooky has the game figured out, so I will win whether you are actually able to miselim me or not.

[butterflies]

I think Pooky has the game figured out, so I will win whether you are actually able to miselim me or not.

RAD/Johhny for certain/maybe Drap? but uncertain.

Please avenge me should I die either by miselim or nk. Thank you.

[butterflies]

Got em

Got em

Drap could still be town but RAD and Johhny are confirmed buddies with this.

[butterflies]

Also why aren’t we voting BBT?

I think BBT is a bad vote.

There. Fucking get rekt!

Got em

Got em

How are you not understanding this?

[butterflies]

Like we have Drap wanting to lim hard claimed town macho doc and both of you jump on me for proving I did 180 on BBT once I recognized the doc soft.

Like all of this looks really bad for the three of you and especially if I were to get miselimed here. I don’t gaf what my read on BBT was before I recognized the doc soft, then he sealed it with his Jack claim, so I’m not voting hardclaimed town doc, so good luck trying to miselim me for that.

[butterflies]

I'm not even voting you, just trying to understand where this confidence comes from in trusting that any claim is coming from town

His being doc explains a lot about his Bella interactions, his early scummy play and most importantly of all. Jack makes sense as macho doc and I just find two macho docs in this setup hard to fathom, so yes I believe the claim and why would there even be any talk of elimming hard claimed town doc before he’s even had a chance to claim?

We don’t have actual proof T-Bone is actual protective and BBT makes way more logical sense, since he’s not a neighbour. In fact it was right after T-Bone’s protective claim that it hit me that BBT was likely actual doc because there’s no proof that any town neighbours are tprs and and Dunn - non-neighbour, likely vig, Frogs also non-neighbour , town 2 shot rolecop, same with Mala BB and OtH and I believe Pooky is novice two shot AC, so all of that fits with BBT very likely truthfully claiming town macho doc. It’s not exactly rocket science.

[butterflies]

Anyway, flip Malcolm after I flip green please. That would be 2 town in a row that have him as scum.

My gameplay here isn't within my scum range. I'm far more calculated as scum. My openness to just come in here and talk openly is representative of my town play. No way in hell does scum!Rad push Nancy again after barely surviving that first encounter with her. He pockets the shit out of her and lets her come to his defense. Disbelievers and scum are welcome on my wagon though!

Yeah no, my vote is staying and I think it’s probably you, Johnny, Drap. Pooky is bleeding obvtown here. He’s wrong on DNA though and you both suddenly jumping on Malcolm like that is hella suss, just like you quoting Johnny yesterday. Like we’re not all idiots here.

Drap has not a single track of a confirmed visit on anyone other than Bella. N1- tracks CSF claims rb, N2 - tracks Bella N3 - tracks one of the masons I think? N4 - BB who claimed to not have visited anyone. I’d have to check but may have those mixed up. N- 5 - “paranoia tracks” me a town neighbour, In any case, not one single confirmed visit on anyone besides Bella.

Drap could have both proved his role and cleared BBT - whom he claimed to sr but instead he made yet another track with a no visit. He probably isn’t even an actual tracker.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

BBT I’m down for a C&G wagon how about you?

VOTE: c&g

counter wagon choo choo all aboard

DNA!town confirmed.

Both of you voting together again. I’m sure that’s a complete coincidence.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

DNA is town anyway. I’ve had a hard tr on that slot for quite awhile now and I bet money I get proven right when it flips green.

[butterflies]

Nancy, you really think scum work so openly together?

Well, it looks like RAD, Drap and Johnny have been circle jerking since last night and RAD hard defends Draps bae track and immediately jumps on me. Then Johnny posts “gottem” to me for God only knows what reasons, than RAD quotes it. Then he suddenly does a 180 and admits to some suspicion on Drap based on the lack of even one confirmable track besides Bell. Now they’re once again back to voting together.m

It’s possible I could be wrong on one but Luke is dead and hard sr RAD and both Bell and Luke were and Drap clearly believed T-Bone was doc and not you. If I’m wrong on one, maybe Johnny because he was jk’d but not even remotely confident on that at all but for sure there’s definitely scum in those three and if RAD and Drap are unaligned then why isn’t either of them even remotely suspicious of how hard each of them have been defending each other? Only Johny has expressed any suspicion before today.

Mala confirmed DNA hood was real and I see them as very easy push due to low activity.

Also n3 no kill couldn’t just be explained by furtive bp. CSF also claimed to jk Butterchurn on n3 iirc.

[butterflies]

I don't know, I flip on them a lot.

There aren't many posts that make me think town and I think a lot of the read comes down to Bella voting them over Math. But Math was almost definitely getting elimmed anyway so if Bella was bussing it was pretty safe?

I know you hate meta but I’ve played with scum!Ircher and he was very obviously scummy. They also tried to derail Math’s attempts to drive a miselim on me, so why would they do that, when they could have just gone along with it? It’s also a hard gut read, which I wish I had had on Mala but yeah, I’d be extremely shocked if they flipped scum here.

Especially since I don’t believe that both RAD and Drap are town and they keep voting together.

[butterflies]

I'm seeing some suggestions of Drap being scum and barring some very confusing mechanics I'm not grasping I don't see how that's possible given they were pretty much solely responsible for outing Bella as scum on D3?

I get there's likely been a lot of bussing here and I think it's perfectly possible someone is scum who's managed to look pretty townie with their pushes in the early phases of the game but I don't see what Drap has to gain by directly causing Bella's elimination? They're wrong on me and I think they're also wrong on Rad but someone with bad pushes can be - and often is - just uninformed town just down the wrong path.

Because other than Bella, he has had no confirmable visits and he tracked a mason one night. BB - who had already stated he was holstering that night and me - an alleged “paranoia track” on a town neighbour - someone he claimed to hard tr instead of BBT - a strong sr of his, who was unlike me, because I have no NAs, was actually confirmable as town doc. And n1, he claimed rb when he tracked CSF but why does he track a mason town neighbour and a medium who claimed to holster? But the n5 track is the weirdest because he claimed to hard te me and sr BBT but he tracks me instead and I cannot visit anyone, so it unlike BBT can’t confirm his role.

[butterflies]

I really don’t get what Butterflies point in doing this is from a town perspective. I mean they are almost lock town like very close to it but I only see wolf agenda from what they are doing so id like an explanation from them about why they keep bringing shade on me/Rad.

Wolf Agenda - Try and either Split the T/T up or just try and convince enough people they can be W/W and get Rad and then night kill Drap (of which Pooky can also be doing if wolf.)

CSF is doing the same with Malcolm in regards to Johnny. Break up T/T.

So it’s like, please everyone explain your thoughts just a bit more or explain directly to me what your point of the post was.

Yes, I’m the one who advocated trying to lim the hard claimed town doc before they even got a chance to post their most recent NA.

Oh wait, that was YOU.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Mislim, Yeet and Butter all haven't posted for 6 days+

@mod, please prod Mislim, Yeet and Butter, thanks

[butterflies]

Can we just vote BBT, probably Red.

He hardclaimed Jack and roles and flavour are connected. No one CC’d his flavour claim. No town neighbours have been flipped and why wouldn’t you even wait for him to claim his NAs?

But he wanting to lim BBT likely the town doc who hasn’t even had a chance to claim anything yet is seriously awful.

Why is bbt the likely town doc all of a sudden?

Yeah look at this response from Nancy lol

VOTE: butterflies

Like she's pushing a drap questionable scum narrative based on bbt being town doc when role and flavor doesn't equate to alignment and she pushed scum bbt hard yesterday.

So you’re seriously going to argue that there’s two macho scumdocs in this game?

No I think bbt is town based on his play. You're suddenly claiming he's town based on his flavor and role claim and then shading drap with that angle.

He claimed yesterday and you didn't care? What changed?

Got em

Seriously hate all of these posts.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Nancy can you explain why the Got em thing upset you? I thought it was funny when Johnny said it so I just quoted it to emphasize. I mean you did get me lol:

He claimed yesterday and you didn't care? What changed?

That’s a lie. Once I realized it, I said he was a bad lim. It’s right in my iso. Want to lie about me some more RAD?

I'll check your iso tomorrow then. I should have been asleep an hour ago.

It wasn't a lie but it was me misremembering something, and you pointed it out. Got me! It was funny I thought.

Also why aren’t we voting BBT?

I think BBT is a bad vote.

There. Fucking get rekt!

I got fucking rekt I should stop posting at 2am for sure.

Oh, I interpreted that as you and Johnny trying to run me up for God only knows why?

Well, this actually makes me feel a bit better about Johhny in that case. Your push on me was still bad.

[butterflies]

Sorry Nancy <3 Keep your vote on me though, it's fine. Just flip malcolm later k? Or I dunno, maybe BBT's right about Mislim here.

Well right after I made that post about Klick where I forgot the question mark, MB confronted me about it in our PT. I didn’t actually read it until after Bella flipped.

I was extremely paranoing on Pooky after Bell was NK’d so I wanted to tell him that if we died n3, Pooky’s scum but now as everyone knows we’re obviously still here I’m hard tr him now. So my paranoia was based on him realizing that if he were actually scum but I’m pretty much townlocking him now.

Anyway, my point being that I don’t understand why scum!Mislim confronts me like that in our private PT, because what good does it do him?

[butterflies]

BTW I really think BB is a wolf.


@Masons

If there is pushes on you, push BB or maybe even Pooky.

When has either BB or Pooky pushed any of the masons?

*smdh*

Like why are you trying to induce paranoia into something that has never yet happened and there’s been no indication of that happening in the furure?

But be rest assured in the extremely unlikely event of that happening Det. Nancy Drew will be lava hot on both of theie heels.

[butterflies]

[butterflies]

[butterflies]

Remind me again why Taly is town?

Sorry - now Yeet is scum. Forgot about that switch.

No, that slot is locktown from Toog’s 2nd post and Math/Taly interactions during the gladiate. I will hard veto any attempts to (no pun intended) ever yeet that slot.

[butterflies]

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

---

I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

Toog NEVER makes this post as scum. I will yeet anyone in the game before Yeet/Taly. Yeet is never scum here!

[butterflies]

9 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)
8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

back it up with a vote im tired of this fencesitting

And this.

[butterflies]

Nothing wrong with that sweet Malcolm wagon that has 2 town on it right now

Lol, this isn’t an auction. You do much better to link some town and scumgames.

[butterflies]

On a brief skim, the basic difference that I could seei is that you expressed a lot of passion for your trs in your towngame, something completely absent from your scumgame. I don’t really think I’ve seen you do that here. You also seem to use more emojis like as scum, like you were networking or trying to ingratiate yourself with others. I almost sometimes get the impression that you try to use your exceedingly abundant charm to get people to tr you, where as you don’t really seem to care about that as much as town.

[butterflies]

So that’s a problem then, how am I supposed to differentiate between town!paranoia and and noncommittal scum?

How are you supposed to be able to tell the difference? I tend to tr players with conviction moreso in their trs because townblocking is much easier than scumhunting. I know that there are detractors who will argue the converse that scum can easily make trs except they usually don’t do that too much unless they’re literally the kind of scum that will bus their entire team.

Scum always wants to be able to pivot on trs and often have some type of loophole to make a change in reads easier. It’s extremely difficult for scum to fake that kind of passion and conviction.

So to me, an excessive amount of especially back and forth paranoia on too many people - right or wrong - reads scummy to me. \_0_/

[butterflies]

The smiley point is an interesting catch but NAI I came into the first game not really knowing how much I should use the smileys here. is just what I tended to use a shitton back in the day on my old site. It's my favorite and I will use it all the time now <3 Also I loved BB's use of early game lol. I don't think my use of smileys is a scum/town tell at all lol but it's a neat catch

Well, I can only go by the two games you linked and you used those emojis a lot more in the scumgame.

[butterflies]

So that’s a problem then, how am I supposed to differentiate between town!paranoia and and noncommittal scum?

How are you supposed to be able to tell the difference? I tend to tr players with conviction moreso in their trs because townblocking is much easier than scumhunting. I know that there are detractors who will argue the converse that scum can easily make trs except they usually don’t do that too much unless they’re literally the kind of scum that will bus their entire team.

Scum always wants to be able to pivot on trs and often have some type of loophole to make a change in reads easier. It’s extremely difficult for scum to fake that kind of passion and conviction.

So to me, an excessive amount of especially back and forth paranoia on too many people - right or wrong - reads scummy to me. \_0_/

It's an interesting point for sure. On one hand as scum you want to leave your options open to be able to shift wagons easily, yeah? On the other hand, town reads are just easier to explain as scum. So if you lock into your town reads too hard then shifting when you need is problematic.

Which approach is more ideal probably shifts as skill increases, I'd imagine.

This is a game with a ton of people and the paranoia is just kinda overwhelming for me here. People I'm paranoid about:

You (Nancy)
Pooky
Drap
BB
Luke (rip, sorry luke, resolved now of course)
Masons
BBT (left over paranoia from both my newbie game and a separate game I read of his where I had him as my top town)
Ceph (early game when he was giving advice, again that's now resolved)

People I think I have solid actual reads on:

CSF
RCE (now Furtive)
BBT (still paranoid though)

Everyone else is just a normal read with no significant paranoia.

I honestly don’t see how anyone reading my posts during the gladiate can possibly be paranoid on me. I had a near fucking meltdown over a possible Taly gladiate. There’s just no way in hell, I could ever fake that as scum. And when Titus told me that she’d rather vote out a tr than no lim, I told her that I didn’t think I could play anymore if she voted Taly over my extremely strenuous objections.

[butterflies]

I honestly don’t see how anyone reading my posts during the gladiate can possibly be paranoid on me. I had a near fucking meltdown over a possible Taly gladiate. There’s just no way in hell, I could ever fake that as scum. And when Titus told me that she’d rather vote out a tr than no lim, I told her that I didn’t think I could play anymore if she voted Taly over my extremely strenuous objections.

This game isn't within my scum range either. I know that, and you know you're playing outside your scum range. Seems natural to distrust each other in a game of deception?

I'll take your word if you take mine.

It doesn’t work like that, you can’t bargain out trs. And it isn’t my word, it’s all right there in those posts to anyone bothering to reread them.

I don’t know if you are or aren’t. You showed me two games and those games didn’t do anything to change ly mind. If they’re not a good representation, than link some others?

[butterflies]

Further, paranoia isn't logic based. Like I can't step outside during a heavy story with lightning. I just won't do it unless I absolutely have to. Am I going to get murdered by lightning? Highly unlikely. I understand that. Does that make me less paranoid that I'm going to? Nope. Fuck storms.

Well despite me being extremely emotional, I am actually both a logic and gut-based player when it comes to reads. I also rely a fair bit on meta, which is something that I obviously don’t have with you but imo, BBT’s doc claim explained away a lot of the reasons I had previously been sr him for because it made sense because of the claim.

I use both my intuition and logic to make reads but I’m pretty bad at explaining exactly how I do it.

[butterflies]

he is not voting out of {malcolm, rad}

That is clearly worded in a way that a reasonable human, especially one who plays mafia and understands the meaning of pools, would understand.

Just to be fair to Drap here, I’m dyslexic and I very frequently make these kinds of mistakes, so I would hard disagree with you on that. On initial read, I was also confused by it but after rereading and thinking about very briefly, I got it.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Remind me again why Taly is town?

I already explained why. That slot is locktown.

Toog’s 2nd post
Interactions during gladiate with Math.

Can we put this to rest already?

[butterflies]

Remind me again why Taly is town?

I already explained why. That slot is locktown.

Toog’s 2nd post
Interactions during gladiate with Math.

Can we put this to rest already?

Nm, I already responded to this.

[butterflies]

Malcolm and Rad wagons are neck and neck

there's no reason for a scum!Malcolm to give up and stop posting.

they could both be scum

Johnny was jk’d and nk still happened.

[butterflies]

@Marci, T-Bone was an arguable pushable slot before Pooky inno’d them? Why wouldn’t scum!Pooky just try to get him run up instead?

He also locktowned Mala. Why does scum!Pooky do that?

[butterflies]

i dont know what that means for malcolm or rads alignment

Idk \_0_/

[butterflies]

My hood with Tbone has 5 pages:

Page 1 Jul 6 - Jul 8: introductions, me badly explaining lost, both of us not being good at neighborhoods. Tbone mentions thinking the post restriction is fake, I get worried about too many neighborhoods.

Page 2: Jul 8 - Jul 13: Mostly jokes, talking about if we should claim our neighborhood and discussing how we crumb

Page 3 Jul 13 - Jul 15: Gladiate talk followed by TBone telling me he was gonna fake claim hider to me, but ultimately deciding against it and telling me he had a one shot protect that he was using on Luke. This was N1. Other stuff on this page include counting cg posts and me complaining about froggers attitude

Page 4 Jul 17 - Aug 02: Tbone says "If I die Luke is confirmed town. There's no way I'd be targeted, he'd have to be targeted in order for that to happen." which is like some doctor hider hybrid thing. I'm sure there's a word for it. Then he hays he's defending Drap n2. So prolly not 1 shot? But then he says "why does everyone have a xshot but Drap" so maybe he was gated?

Page 5 Aug 2 - Aug 12: complaining about Nancy, openly suspecting one another, and no clarification on his role.

What is this last part about me and I don’t even remember what day this would have been - 1 - 2 weeks ago?

[butterflies]

Polar bears are pretty evil.

@bbt, your vote felt sneaky. You aren't under the radar sneaky. I'm still not feeling it. I probably could have moved my vote to ceph but in basically waiting for your catch up.

@off the hook, your issue with klick feels weird. Why klick, why that read? Their read on like....ceph is more interesting and I felt they responded Newell to questions about that

If I didn’t already have good reasons to tr these slots, these posts are clearly anti-partnery.

[butterflies]

i have a certain amount of energy every day for life and if something is enjoyable I will spend energy on it

when that thing becomes not enjoyable I will not spend energy on it.

there is no point for me to spend energy on this game.

Pooky, you are being extremely frustrating. If you genuinely think Malcolm is a better vote, great but to switch a vote because you don’t care about the game is extremely unhelpful. :/

[butterflies]

I still want this vote really, Malcolm's posting hasn't done a lot to persuade me otherwise. In the meantime OffTheHook is becoming more and more sus to me, they should go soon.

I still want this vote really, Malcolm's posting hasn't done a lot to persuade me otherwise. In the meantime OffTheHook is becoming more and more sus to me, they should go soon.

Apparently Butterflies vouches for them to be like lock town.

It is interesting to me that both furtive and RCE are hard sr them though but yeah, I stand by my read. I think that slot is pretty obviously town.

I liked Malcolm’s recent posting fwiw.

[butterflies]

C&G/Malcolm could be aligned then no?

So can OTH and butterflies?
They've been more invested in defending Malcolm than us.

But I don't think

that OTH/Malcolm/butterflies is the scumteam.
-Guanine

That’s very clearly not remotely accurate for my slot. Where are you even getting this from?

Math tried to kill us, you posted that from your PT, remember?

[butterflies]

I’ve been hard defending your slot for most of the game. When have I ever done that with Malcolm?

@DNA/Guanine

[butterflies]

I’ve been hard defending your slot for most of the game. When have I ever done that with Malcolm?

@DNA/Guanine

[butterflies]

rad suddenly unvoting after I switched over is just more evidence that rad/malcolm r scum together

people need to vote one of the two so we can move the game along alrdy

I don’t see how that necessarily implicates Malcolm? I liked his recent posts but both him and RAD don’t necessarily look good wrt to their posts wrt to Mala wagon but if your point is that interactions aren’t clearing if either flips red, then I would definitely agree with that.

I currently feel better about Malcolm than RAD.

You’re partially right @RAD. I’m not happy with you but simply putting it down to my being “pissed” isn’t wholly accurate. I don’t tr your recent interactions pushing me because I don’t think there’s absolutely anything even remotely scummy about my doing a 180 on BBT post doc claim, so I find that to be an extremely suss reason for pushing me.

[butterflies]

I hear ya Nancy. I don't mean to suggest you're only voting me cause I pissed you off, I was being brief with the description. I will say that if I was scum I would never make the mistake of pissing you off more than once though <3

And how am I supposed to know that? Pooky insisted to me on d1 that scum never push me and Ceph was town wrongly sr me, which turned out to be true but on d2, Math tried very hard to get me miselimed according to DNA, so it’s obviously not true that scum never tries to shitpush me.

[butterflies]

I hear ya Nancy. I don't mean to suggest you're only voting me cause I pissed you off, I was being brief with the description. I will say that if I was scum I would never make the mistake of pissing you off more than once though <3

And how am I supposed to know that? Pooky insisted to me on d1 that scum never push me and Ceph was town wrongly sr me, which turned out to be true but on d2, Math tried very hard to get me miselimed according to DNA, so it’s obviously not true that scum never tries to shitpush me.

Cause my scum game relies on not pissing off the loudest player lol. It's how I got through my scum game with town!furtive when I noticed him absolutely tunnel town!HEM. I don't have that filter as town but it's super easy as scum.

So that first time would have been a mistake but any time after that just wouldn't have happened.

I’m a huge believer in meta but I couldn’t find any other games on here then the two games you linked and two games aren’t extremely helpful in getting a good meta read. I also don’t understand why you kept insisting I wqs shading Drap, when several other players had the exact same opinion as me including dead flipped town but it’s you jumping on me for the 180 on BBT that I have the most difficult time with because that makes no sense to me whatsoever, not that the other one does either.

I am an extremely emotionally volatile player, which makes me someone scum often likes to push because I apparently had bad reactions to that. Like I think you or someone tried to push Pooky and unlike me, he very easily shut it down.